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Open thread on Monday’s presidential debate

By Josh Richman
Monday, October 22nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm in 2012 presidential election.

Spin, all you spinners; just keep it clean and avoid personal attacks.

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  • JAFO

    Didn’t see it. I thought the Giants game would be far more interesting. I think I was correct.

  • Truthclubber

    As I said on earlier posts, I knew that O’bammy the Hafrican was going to crush Romnuts given the format of tonight’s debate (90 unadultrated minutes on foreign policy — aka policy that is foreign to Romnuts) and…wait for it…I was RIGHT!

    On CNN the insta-polling of undecided voters in Florida showed that O’bammy was just crushing it with both women and men — so stick a fork in Mittens — he is DUN! (Why waste the extra letters?)

  • Elwood

    A CNN instant poll of (no doubt) a small sample of self-described undecided voters in FL is quite significant I’m sure.

    No doubt, based on this staggering blow, the election is over.

    And pigs will fly.

  • JohnW

    Watched the Giants, then the post-debate punditry, then parts of the debate.

    I’ll bet the audience size was about half of the other debates — due to debate fatigue and, of course, the Giants/Cardinals game.

    Won’t make any difference in the race, but early polling indicates Obama did best. Loved his “bayonets” comment about Mitt’s obsession with building more Navy ships than Pentagon plans call for.

    To my chagrin, the drift toward Romney seems to be continuing. 47/47 tie leaves 6 percent undecided. If two thirds of those go in Romney’s direction, that would be 51/49 for Romney and would mean that Romney also won most of the swing states.

    If Romney holds his “solid or leaning” states for 206 electoral votes and wins FL, OH, VA, CO, NV and NH, that would give him 291 vs 247 for Obama. If he also won PA, that would lift him to 311 vs 227.

    The NYT shows one electoral map scenario with a 269/269 tie; which means the GOP House would decide. That would happen if Obama keeps his 237 “solid or leaning” electoral votes plus WI, CO, NV AND NH — with Romney getting FL, OH, VA and IA. It really could happen.

  • GV Haste

    Obama was a winner this debate, but the whole election is tight.

    Biggest single event between now and election day is ….drum roll….. The Labor Department will release its October national jobs report Nov. 2 — the Friday before Election Day. Any significant jump or decline could seal the deal for either side.

    That and the very handsome red tie that Mitt wore for the debate.

  • Truthclubber

    Some people managed to do both — watch the game AND watch the debate.

    I agree with CBS — “…By a 53%-23% margin, a CBS News poll conducted after the third debate of uncommitted voters also indicated that Obama won the showdown….”

    MSNBC took NV off the battleground map today — and made it blue, and RCP just made NH blue as well, and FL is down to a 1.8% margin for Romnuts before this smackdown — so just take a breath and watch the polls continue to recalibrate back toward Obama, state by state.

  • Common Tater

    It was definitely a toss-up and that’s what I did after watching the debate.

  • JAFO

    Had Mitt Romney made similarly snarky comments to Barack Obama about today’s modern navy having ships that go under water and others that allow planes to land on them they would have been characterized by many so-called journalists and liberal pundits as condescending, patronizing and disrespectful, which they were. But those same folks immediately and giddily described Obama’s comments as a devastating and memorable debate putdown that we’ll be talking about for years to come. Yippee! And they claim that there’s no left-wing media bias. Total denial.

  • Truthclubber

    @6 –

    Oh, and RCP still has VA as a dead even tie — and Romnuts can’t win without winning there, period.

    That’s why Twit Romnuts and Paulie Lyin are today campaigning in…wait for it…NV and CO!

    Clue, meet Les; Les, Clue.

    Oh, and we have fewer Gatling Guns in today’s army than we had back in Lincoln’s time — the horror, the horror!

    I guess they’re (the generals) not asking for many these days, are they? Damn shame, since Bain Capital has whole warehouses full of them!

  • JAFO

    @9

    I could be wrong, but I believe they actually have significantly more Gatling guns, and their decendents, in today’s military (especially on board Navy ships) than The Army of The Potomac had in Lincoln’s day. Just sayin’.

  • Elwood

    Romney rope-a-doped the chosen one.

    While Obama made a total ass of himself, Romney just smiled.

    I believe the American people saw who is more presidential, and it ain’t the chosen one.

    Warning: Cliche ahead!

    The only poll that matters boys and girls will be conducted on Nov. 6. But some people really enjoy their masturbational frenzy.

  • John

    Re: #8 JAFO says:

    “Had Mitt Romney made similarly snarky comments…”

    You mean like when Mitt said, “Even Jimmy Carter would have given the order” (to raid the bin Laden compound in Pakistan)?

  • John

    Re #11 Elwood says:

    You’re entitled to your opinion on that. Consensus seems to be Obama won on points but that etchy-sketchy Moderate Mitt “passed the Commander-in-Chief” test by not being Severely Conservative Mitt. However, I would note that Moderate Mitt has not-so-moderate Neocon John Bolton as a foreign policy advisor and that Bolton is mentioned as a prospect for Secretary of State.

    Mitt’s post-convention strategy, which admittedly has been effective, is to nudge up close to Obama’s position or decision on an issue but then differentiate himself by pointing out how he would handle the matter just a little bit differently. He did that first with the auto bailout and did it quite a bit during Monday’s debate.

  • Elwood

    “Romney won the presidential debate by looking presidential. Obama had a painful case of Biden’s smile”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100186053/romney-won-the-presidential-debate-by-looking-presidential-obama-had-a-painful-case-of-bidens-smile/

  • Elwood

    Intellectual giants continue to threaten to riot, assassinate Romney:

    http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-continue-threats-to-riot-assassinate-romney/

    Doesn’t the Secret Service investigate death threats against a candidate?

  • JohnW

    Re: 15 Doesn’t the Secret Service investigate death threats against a candidate?

    Yes they do.

    How come I can’t find anything online indicating that Fox News has even mentioned this? Are they now part of the lame stream media too?

  • JohnW

    There is a report online that the Romney campaign is shifting some money from Pennsylvania to the 2nd Congressional district of Maine. Maine, like Nebraska, awards electoral votes by Congressional district. Supposedly, the thinking is that this could come down to an virtual electoral tie, with one elector in Maine breaking it.

    Team Obama is doing something similar, trying to grab one of the electoral votes out of red state Nebraska by having its western Iowa TV advertising spill into the Omaha market.

  • Truthclubber

    @15 –

    We should take up a collection for poor Elwood — his bills for all that tin foil he wears on his head must be ginormously engantic!

  • Truthclubber

    @18 –

    I found a photo of Elwood! Here it is! That explains EVERYTHING!

  • RR, Senile Columnist

    Re 19: Are you sure that isn’t Keith Olbermann?

  • Elwood

    @ 18 & 19

    Childish.

    About what one would expect of this poster.

  • Truthclubber

    @21 –

    And linking to Infowars.com as a credible source of ANYTHING is NOT childish? On your planet, maybe — but NOT Earth.

  • Elwood

    More Romney assassination threats straight from Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/search?q=assassinate%20romney&src=typd

    Someone will point out that many of them link to Infowars which posted some of the tweets.

    But many don’t.

  • JohnW

    Why would you assume that Obama supporters or Romney haters are the source of these ridiculous “threats?” Logic would suggest just the opposite — that it is Obama haters or political dirty tricksters. Either way, it is disgusting stuff. Should be removed from Twitter.

    Given the volume of daily “threats” by all kinds of whackos, political dirty tricksters and, occasionally truly dangerous types, the Secret Service can’t possibly go to DEFCON 1 for every online brain fart. However, I’m confident that, based on decades of experience, they have the means and determination to properly assess each one and then to proceed accordingly.

  • Elwood

    “Why would you assume that Obama supporters or Romney haters are the source of these ridiculous “threats?”

    Occam’s razor (also written as Ockham’s razor, Latin lex parsimoniae) is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected. –Wikipedia

  • JohnW

    Re 25

    Ockham’s razor! Impressive. Had to look that one up.

    Only one succinctly stated hypothesis — namely that, based on the available evidence, the emails in question were authored by people making a feeble attempt to make it appear that liberal Obama supporters (especially smack-talking blacks from the hood) are making threats.

    Evidence is the comical white wingnut effort to imitate aforementioned smack-talking blacks from the hood. Secondary evidence. Fox News not making a big deal out of it. Actually not even talking about it.

  • Elwood

    @ 26 John W.

    I think you’re missing the point. Simply stated, Occam’s razor says that the simplest solution is the best solution.

    Now which is simpler, black wingnuts making threats, or a white wingnut conspiracy to make black wingnuts look bad?

  • Truthclubber

    @27 –

    Hitler.

  • JohnW

    Re #27

    “Missing the point”

    Not at all.

    Having obtained my accelerated training on the subject of Ockams razor from the University of Wikipedia, my understanding is that the the concept doesn’t really work if the quality of evidence supporting the supposedly simpler hypothesis is substandard compared with the more complex hypothesis. I consider the points I made in the previous posting (laughable ghetto speak and no affirmation by even Fox News) to be a type of forensic evidence superior to anything supporting your hypothesis. Besides, I don’t consider my hypothesis to be especially complex.

  • For Liberty

    See Tuesday’s (10/23/12) debate (free & equal debate) at the following link below:

    http://youtu.be/5EcaX12h46k

    Unfortunately, Obama and Romney did not show up!

  • Bruce R. Peterson, Lafayette

    @ #30 Good comment. If Obama & Romney showed up, they would have nor have placed in the top 3. Obviously our bought & paid for, mainstream media, wants to silence intelligent dissent.

  • JohnW

    I used to spend a lot of time in Salt Lake on business when Rocky Anderson was mayor, and I had a lot of respect for him. He was a very progressive, independent-minded person in a place where you wouldn’t expect that type of individual to be politically viable. He had a top-notch legal career too.

  • RR, Senile Columnist

    Does intelligent dissent include Roseanne and Cindy Sheehan?