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	<title>Comments on: $9 mil in federal grants for East Bay firefighters</title>
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		<title>By: GV Haste</title>
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		<dc:creator>GV Haste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like during the stimulus program,  we continue to subsidize excessively outlandish public safety employee salaries.
The reason why Oakland Fire Dept is understaffed is because it costs $185,000 on average for each firefighter (that is before overtime is added in)

If firefighters were paid a similar (inflation adjusted) salary + benefits as they got back in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s (remember inflation adjusted), then Oakland could hire from 10% to 20% more staff with their current money.
I grew up around lots and lots of firemen back from 1960 through 1980 and they never had the standard of living they now enjoy.

Meanwhile as we dumped billions into proping up city and county public employees, delaying the cutbacks, during the first years of this recession,  the folks at the bottom got crushed.   For a fireman&#039;s $185,000 subsidized salary,  you could have given 4 or 5 out of work people some decent jobs with enough money to get  by.

By comparison, I know a person in a department who retired 2 years ago, well short of age 60,  with a pension north of 140k.... while they never earned even 115K on the job for base pay.  Sick excess subsidized once again.

Many, though not all, public employees are overpaid when you count in all the salary, benefits, and pension costs.  Rather than hold down salaries, they tend to lay off staff,  then complain about how service is suffering.  Witness San Jose police and fire.
I still remember their arrogance in San Jose when cutbacks were needed.  A firefighter was all pissed off saying the citizens didn&#039;t respect him.
Yes, a quick check of his compensation for the prior year placed him over $200,000.   Disgusting arrogance.

If you put out a help wanted ad for OFD, at 75% of the pay scale and 75% of the pension,  you&#039;d have 10,000 appplications for 10 jobs.
Says everything about how out of whack the compensation has become.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like during the stimulus program,  we continue to subsidize excessively outlandish public safety employee salaries.<br />
The reason why Oakland Fire Dept is understaffed is because it costs $185,000 on average for each firefighter (that is before overtime is added in)</p>
<p>If firefighters were paid a similar (inflation adjusted) salary + benefits as they got back in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s (remember inflation adjusted), then Oakland could hire from 10% to 20% more staff with their current money.<br />
I grew up around lots and lots of firemen back from 1960 through 1980 and they never had the standard of living they now enjoy.</p>
<p>Meanwhile as we dumped billions into proping up city and county public employees, delaying the cutbacks, during the first years of this recession,  the folks at the bottom got crushed.   For a fireman&#8217;s $185,000 subsidized salary,  you could have given 4 or 5 out of work people some decent jobs with enough money to get  by.</p>
<p>By comparison, I know a person in a department who retired 2 years ago, well short of age 60,  with a pension north of 140k&#8230;. while they never earned even 115K on the job for base pay.  Sick excess subsidized once again.</p>
<p>Many, though not all, public employees are overpaid when you count in all the salary, benefits, and pension costs.  Rather than hold down salaries, they tend to lay off staff,  then complain about how service is suffering.  Witness San Jose police and fire.<br />
I still remember their arrogance in San Jose when cutbacks were needed.  A firefighter was all pissed off saying the citizens didn&#8217;t respect him.<br />
Yes, a quick check of his compensation for the prior year placed him over $200,000.   Disgusting arrogance.</p>
<p>If you put out a help wanted ad for OFD, at 75% of the pay scale and 75% of the pension,  you&#8217;d have 10,000 appplications for 10 jobs.<br />
Says everything about how out of whack the compensation has become.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[40% of the grant approx. $3,112,896 was borrowed. 

This money will do nothing to improve services. All it does is buy time. Most of this money will get dumped into the pension rat hole. 

Thompson, Lee and Miller continue to propagate the fiscal irresponsibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40% of the grant approx. $3,112,896 was borrowed. </p>
<p>This money will do nothing to improve services. All it does is buy time. Most of this money will get dumped into the pension rat hole. </p>
<p>Thompson, Lee and Miller continue to propagate the fiscal irresponsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously, Oakland&#039;s large grant is a reward for being such a buttoned-up, well-managed city.  Maybe the Port of Oakland will get something too.

What, nothing for Contra Costa Fire District?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, Oakland&#8217;s large grant is a reward for being such a buttoned-up, well-managed city.  Maybe the Port of Oakland will get something too.</p>
<p>What, nothing for Contra Costa Fire District?</p>
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