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East Bay Football Poll – Revised

By mbower
Monday, September 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am in Uncategorized.

Team Record Points Last week
1. De La Salle (10) 2-1 150 1
2. Monte Vista 3-0 134 2
3. California 2-1 131 3
4. San Ramon Valley 3-0 118 4
5. Pittsburg 2-1 113 5
6. Foothill 3-0 96 6
7. Las Lomas 3-1 88 7
8. Freedom 3-0 84 8
9. Bishop O’Dowd 3-0 61 10
10. Encinal 3-0 56 12
t-11. Berkeley 2-1 30 11
t-11. College Park 2-1 30 13
t-11. Newark Memorial 2-1 30 14
14. Deer Valley 3-0 29 15
15. San Leandro 0-3 16 10

Others receiving votes: Miramonte (3-1) 10, Campolindo (4-0) 6, Granada (3-0) 6, Concord (3-0-1) 5, Castlemont (1-1-1) 2.

Note- One more ballot came in a little late. -KB

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64 Responses to “East Bay Football Poll – Revised”

  1. got2go Says:

    I think DLS should still be number 1 since their loss was to a top 25 national team. A “quality loss” was last week’s rationale in not dropping Cal or San Leandro much after they lost to Bellevue and SRV respectively.

    When DLS had their “rough” year and started out slow losing to Bellevue and Clovis West and tying CV, they remained #1 because they hadn’t lost to any local teams and thus were still the best team in the East Bay. A similar situation to this season.

  2. epcthree Says:

    I would be SHOCKED and would argue vehemently against DLS not being ranked #1. Right now, I would have the top 5 as DLS, MV, Cal, SR, Foothill, in that order. That doesn’t mean I think that any one of these teams is actually better or worse than another, just that based on schedule and performance thus far, this would be my vote.

    All that said, this is going to be an interesting year with so many quality teams in the EBAL. Any other year, Granada would be considered a pretty good squad. As good as they are, they are going to have a tough time getting two wins in league play this season.

    Is DLS going to go undefeated in the EBAL this season? I would imagine so, but unlike other seasons, I wouldn’t bet my house on it.

  3. got2go Says:

    Seems like Silva is on the right course at Granada. I’d like to see them back in the EBAL conversation soon. They certainly get talent there.

  4. Greg Says:

    The best thing for DeLaSalle would be if they weren’t ranked number one for a change. Give them some incentive. They may be the best team in the East Bay but it seems to me that they aren’t the best team in Northern Cal so far this year. Seems to me that vs. the other Catholic School that have unlimited boundaries DeLaSalle might not be number 1. Based on schedule and scores the only team that could be higher in the East Bay would be MV. How about a DeLaSalle/MV tie?

  5. got2go Says:

    When do DLS & MV play each other? I’d like to see that one!

  6. epcthree Says:

    DLS/MV is week 8

    Going into league play, CalPreps ratings are:

    De La Salle 50.8
    Monte Vista 42.7
    California 40.6
    Foothill 39.4
    San Ramon Valley 35.2
    Granada 23.2
    Amador Valley 20.3
    Livermore -7.3

    I think any of the top 5 teams can beat any other of the top 5 teams, and yes, I’m including DLS in that mix. Also, look for either Amador or Granada to get at least one victory against one of the tope 5 teams.

    Just as an aside, for the first time in recent memory, De La Salle is not being shown as the favorite to play for the State Title out of the north. For now, Bellermine Prep holds the top ranking.

  7. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    I still don’t see how Newark Memorial keeps getting ranked below College Prep. I guess head-to-head doesn’t matter. Also, no way Concord should have more votes than Castlemont. The Knights are the better team and proved that on the field. Only one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen kept them from not beating Concord.

  8. SMC Says:

    What Concord vs Castlemont game were you watching, Jim? The only game Castlemont won was the kick return battle. Castlemont completely changed their offense at one point to get anything done and their were shut down after the first drive in the second half. The tackle out of bounce was what it was, a tackle out of bounce. The guys were still standing up when they went past me and the tackle occurred past 5 yards out of bounce. I was looking completely away from the field to see the finish of the tackle. Concord should have more votes because they beat a team that was ranked 12 in the Sacto Metro region.

  9. Chris Says:

    DLS will always be ranked #1 in the East Bay until they prove otherwise. I don’t think they should be ranked lower because of the loss to Don Bosco, they were an excellent team, but DLS did show some weakness. I cant even remember the last time DLS running game was so ineffective.

  10. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    Obviously, everyone is in agreement that DLS should still be the No. 1 team. However, this year DLS has shown its not unstoppable. A couple of bounces the other way and DLS could be 0-3, 0-2-1 or 3-0 at this point. If they were 0-3 I don’t think they’d be No. 1 still.

  11. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    SMC, that tackle was not 5 yards out of bounds. Don’t kid yourself. It was right along the sideline and while the QB was in the act of throwing. You can’t expect Castlemont to just stand there and let a guy throw a pass. Even talking to the Concord coach after the game, I asked him for his perspective of the play from being on that sideline and he said something along the lines of “There were a lot of strange things in this game,” and then he mentioned that he thought one of Castlemont’s TD’s — the quick pass out to Aaron Horne on the left — should’ve been ruled an incomplete and not a lateral and the play should’ve been dead. So not even the Concord coach was arguing it was the correct call. Take that call away and it’s a completely different game since it was 20-7 at the time and Castlemont would’ve had the ball.

    For other comparison purposes between the two teams, Concord beat up on two terrible teams (De Anza, Jefferson), then beat a pretty good team at home. Castlemont hung with a tough Division I team on the road, then took a long drive and beat a team on the road that had an explosive offense. That’s much more impressive to me.

  12. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    Comments retracted from comment 7 about Newark being below College Prep. I’m OK with them being tied.

  13. SMC Says:

    Other than the first drive in the second half, Castlemont did not get a first down the rest of the game. You also have to remember that the ROAD team (Concord) finished the game strong and put themselves in two situations to win the game(PAT & FG attempt). Castlemont did not have those changes to win by not gaining any yards with their offensive possessions in the second half. I respectfully disagree with your opinion that Castlemont is better than Concord.

  14. Michael Bower Says:

    I thought the poll came out great. I have no beef with any of it.

  15. XTower Says:

    Didn’t DLS drop after tying Clayton Valley that year? Pretty sure Amador was No. 1 by the end of the season until getting pasted in the title game.

  16. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    I’d have to back through my game notes (which I don’t have on me at the moment) to comment about the first downs. You may be right. My point is that Castlemont controlled the game until the point of that penalty that negated the interception. If you take that away, everything becomes different. Emotions are a huge part of high school football. When a team has a call as big as that go against it, a lot of things change. That gave Concord the momentum and — to its credit — it took advantage of it to the point of giving itself a chance to win. Castlemont still came back to make big plays when it needed it (.ie, the blocked PAT). I just think that had Castlemont had the ball, late third quarter, at midfield, leading 20-7, you’d see a much different game, but a bad call took that away. Best case scenario for Concord is getting the ball back deep in its own territory early in the fourth quarter and being forced to drive the length of the field. I don’t see them making a comeback in that situation.

  17. The Quarterback Says:

    I think the rankings are right on the money. De La Salle is still the best in the area until someone can finally take them down. But I think they are in the right league for that to happen. They aren’t as strong as they have been in years past, and Monte Vista and California are pretty damn good. I am going to go out on a limb and say that this is they year that De La falls to an East Bay team. It’s going to take its toll on them when they have to face a very good opponent every single week. Only a few more days until it all unfolds.

  18. Dan Says:

    Are you kidding me? How is Miramonte not in the top 15?! They held Foothill scoreless for most of the game and lost 14-7 on a blown assignment in the final seconds of the game. Please explain to my why San Leandro, at 0-3, is ahead of Miramonte.

    Other than that, I think the poll is fine. I agree that MV should be 2nd and DLS 1st

  19. Michael Bower Says:

    For the record, I voted Miramonte No. 15. If you are going to compare Miramonte and San Leandro against top EBAL schools, SL lost on a last minute score to SRV, which is currently ranked higher than Foothill. Both teams have close losses, though. I can see an argument either way. It will play out as the season moves along.

  20. CP Fan Says:

    Jimmy Durkin,
    Head to head means a lot, but there is also the factor that Newark had played a game prior to the CP game and CP hadn’t. The 2nd half was a completely different game than the 1st half. Had it not been for 2 key turnovers and some very untimely penalties, the outcome would have probably been different. Look what CP has done the past 2 games, they have fired on all cylinders. This week against Freedom will answer a lot. If they beat Freedom, they shoot up in the polls right past Newark (and deservingly so). If they lose, it shows they are ranked about where they should be.

  21. Michael Bower Says:

    If if if…can only argue that for so much.

  22. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    Like Bower said, too many ifs in that statement. The further we get removed from that game, the less it becomes relevant. And agreed, if CP beats Freedom this week, that’s probably enough to consider CP ahead of Newark (unless Newark absolutely destroys Logan). But right now, there’s not enough other factors for head-to-head not to be the most relevant when considering the placement of CP and Newark.

  23. Coach Says:

    I dont know Jimmy. I’ve yet to see any BSAL stats buddy. Hook it up.

  24. Michael Bower Says:

    Coach,

    Those probably will be coming in the next couple of weeks.

  25. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    I wish I had control over it Coach. I expect by Thursday that they’ll be up but they’re being done by somebody else. I know they are being done though because we’re expecting to run East Bay leaders this week in the paper.

  26. EBAL FAN Says:

    Does anyone honestly think De La Salle will lose a game in the EBAL this year? It might happen — I am on record as saying I would be surprised, but not shocked if De La Salle loses is EBAL play this year. The EBAL is too full of good coaches and great athletes to just bend over and hand the EBAL title to the Spartans. But the one advantage the Spartans still have — the aura — I was playing in a golf tournament yesterday and heard from more than one person that their “gifted” 6th, 7th or 8th grader, was already to attend De La Salle. And that’s the problem — some of these parents won’t give the local programs a chance. I think if you went back over the years, Amador is pretty close to De La Salle in number of players in the NFL. Once that pendulum swings back to the parents sending the kids to their local high schools, things will change — until then………

  27. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    I don’t think DLS will lose, but I feel the same way … Would be surprised if they did, not shocked.

    DLS has played three good teams, but at the same time, all three of those teams have lost to teams other than DLS this year.

    Serra lost by 17 the week after it lost to DLS by 1.
    Loyola lost by 16 the week after it lost to DLS by 6.
    Bosco lost to St. Xavier, which is 3-3 this year.

    Those losses were all to good teams, but it still illustrates that DLS is not as dominant as it has been.

  28. UC Fan #11 Says:

    Some people in the HAAL/MVAL area can care less what goes on in the EBAL and DLS… When I see a DLS story in my paper, that’s the last thing I glance and look at. I DON’T CARE about DLS!!!!

  29. Boknoy Says:

    Not so sure about 4 EBAL teams incl DLS on top of Pitt. MV defeated Pitt in a tight game by 3 pts, but in a rematch, hopefully in playoffs, Pitt will win it,just by the mere power of their comeback after a 14-0 early lead by MV (see Coach Galli’s interview at HSSportsFocus). Pitt is a lot stronger this yr vs LY when Cal defeated them and last yrs’ Cal was shutout by DLS in NCS championship. DLS struggled vs Pitt in the scrimmage and that has become some sort of a barometer of how DLS performed in a less dominant role in their next games through their loss last week to DBP. SRV struggled in its recent games, and could only score in passing games. They haven’t played Pitt recently but I bet SRV cannot run through Pitt and will do the passing game which may not have a chance vs Pitt’s stellar shutdown corners. So, the poll ranking are simply just debatable, until the teams are matched head-to-head once they meet in the playoffs.

  30. epcthree Says:

    It’s a little difficult not to talk about the EBAL when they have 5 of the top 6 spots in the poll. Of course De La Salle coverage has been excessive for many people for quite a few years. That said, 151 game winning streaks tend to garner some attention. My suggestion is that if you don’t like reading about DLS or the EBAL, you should stick to the HAAL/MVAL blogs. Your chances of avoiding these topics would be greatly improved! Good Luck!!!

  31. got2go Says:

    EBAL Fan – that pendulum may never swing back. In some people’s minds, their kids have a better chance of developing as a player at DLS. Not saying it’s true, I just think that’s the perception. Why do you think Montana sent his kids there, for the education? And he pulled them out when they weren’t getting the playing time!

  32. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    That may be the perception, but I don’t necessarily agree with it.

    If you check out this post from earlier in the year –
    http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner/2008/08/30/alumni-updates/ — it shows that Monte Vista has just as many guys playing D-I football than DLS does right now.

    I don’t think parents worry so much about development as much as they do getting their kid to play in college. And ultimately that’s a combination of how talented the kids are on their own, plus how good a job the coach does helping them move on. The stats show the public EBAL school do just as good a job as DLS at moving kids on to the next level.

  33. PHS04 Says:

    Personally I think Foothill should fall tremendously after them struggling with JL and the whoopin that MV is going to give them this friday..
    I dn’t believe they have the speed to keep up wit MV nor the size..
    Unless MV blows assignments due to Foothill gadget play play this we be a sound victory for MV..

    As the season goes on some of those pretender schools will be shown, may it be Pittsburg, MV, SRV, CAL, DLS, or Freedom.. some will prove to be contenders some will prove to be frauds.. can only take it one week at a time and so far i believe this Poll is accurate, with the exception of winless teams..(SL)

  34. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    PHS, you seem to have a pretty good sense of most the teams in the area, so I’ll ask you this question in all seriousness.

    Do you really think Las Lomas would beat Foothill if they played?

    Las Lomas struggled with winless Mitty (which got beat pretty bad in its two other games) , got blown out by Cal, dominated a below avg Northgate team and got by a pretty good Rocklin team. … The hype around Las Lomas will continue to grow because the hardest team it has left on its schedule is Miramonte, a team Foothill beat. You give Foothill Las Lomas’ remaining schedule the Falcons go undefeated. You give Las Lomas Foothill’s remaining schedule they lose at least four more games.

    That being said, even if Foothill is at one loss (to the No. 2 ranked team in the area), I don’t think the Falcons should free fall. Novato has outscored its opponents 92-0 since getting blasted by Foothill, Miramonte’s only loss is to Foothill so that leaves the win @ Logan as least impressive of Foothill’s 3 games.

    One more question, if Campo or Concord played San Leandro right now, who would you pick?

  35. MVAL Fan Says:

    Will Newark finally beat James Logan this friday?

  36. Steve R. Waterhouse Says:

    MVAL Fan, I’d say yes. It’s going to be a great battle no matter what. I think Newark will pull it out by no more than a touchdown. Could go down to the wire.

  37. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    PHS, the problem is that if you want to drop Foothill, who do you put ahead of them? Las Lomas doesn’t have the credentials to move up and I wouldn’t say Freedom has a solid a win as Foothill’s blasting of Novato. The next two teams, O’Dowd and Encinal, are both undefeated but relatively untested. The next three weeks will help decide where Foothill should be as it could easily fall to 3-3 (it plays Monte Vista, Cal and DLS).

  38. High School Sports Junkie Says:

    CP fan…. If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas

  39. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    Aha!!! Sports Junkie is back!

  40. PHS04 Says:

    LL obviously isn’t near as good as advertised.. Cal beat them pretty soundly having an evident off night. So i would drop Las Lomas regardless and Foothill if they lose.

    If Concord or Campolindo played SL I’d have to go with the 4A school.. I haven’t seen either of them play but I doubt neither one has the team speed to match up with SL. Pittsburg faced an issue havin a mediocre overall record last year, but yet they weren’t as bad as their overall record..
    with a 6-4 record an undefeated Cal should have ran over them..

  41. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    That’s this issue with SL being ranked still. I don’t know if there an unranked team that is good enough to beat SL … so if there aren’t any unranked teams better than SL, why should they fall out of the rankings?

    Same with Foothill, why should they fall if none of the teams ranked below them would beat them?

    You give any of the teams ranked 7-15 SL’s schedule and they’re probably 0-3 as well.

    Not sure how the Pitt-Cal game is related to this, but I’ll go down that tangent with you…

    Cal wasn’t undefeated when it played Pitt last year, plus that game was at Pitt — not an easy place to play. Also you gotta remember that win against Pitt was Cal’s first NCS win in history and Cal’s defense was dominant in that game.

    I think you’re also selling your team from last year a little short. The only puzzling loss was the early-season one to Freedom. Other than that, the four other losses came from teams that went a combined 42-6-1. No shame in that.

  42. MVAL Fan Says:

    Steve R. Waterhouse,

    I hope Newark wins also, Logan has always dominated the MVAL and maybe its time for some change. I know Irvington beat them three years ago, but this is this year and Newark has the best chance!

  43. EBAL FAN Says:

    If Foothill loses to MV and plays them well, how in God’s name would you drop them far….Foothill could lose its next three games –MV, Cal and De La — and still deserve to be in the top 10…

  44. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    EBAL Fan, agreed. But do you want to bet that they wouldn’t be? Especially since teams like O’Dowd and Encinal have schedules that could project them going to 6-0.

  45. fan Says:

    know its random.But i think one thing people have to take into consideration too is that fincialy its costly to play football this year considering or economy. For instance i know logan had to have there players pay 1000 dollars to play football. so it can discourage players from playin vs a more wealthy public school like cal or mv. i kno the rankings dont really show it cause pitts a 5 spot no knock against them and there program tho.

  46. H.S. baller says Says:

    logan been playing sloppy ball. That had a two close games wit deer valley and foothill they could easly been 2-1.

  47. EBAL FAN Says:

    Jimmy,

    It’s up to the writers who understand the nuances with prep football to carry those votes… Foothill would be what 3-3, with their losses coming to the top three teams in the poll….Now, if they get blown out that’s another story…I agree San Leandro deserves to be ranked still, although you could make a strong argument for Miramonte in that spot. I would bet the house Encinal or O’Dowd would not beat Foothill on their best day. As for San Leandro-O’Dowd, we will get to see that first hand.

  48. Coach Ford Says:

    EBAL FAN,
    You would bet the house, is that right, check it out-foothill isn’t very fast, and are not really hitting anybody hard. They are very, very, very well coached but as they say,j”ust getting by”. I hear Encinal is trying to schedule a game against Foothill for next season. And almost losing to Miramonte doesn’t impress me.

  49. Steve R. Waterhouse Says:

    HS Baller, Logan played sloppy in the beginning against both Foothill and Deer Valley. I don’t think it had enough in the end to beat Foothill, but I think it should have beaten Deer Valley. Keep in mind, Logan has no kicker as Diego Hernandez is out for the year with a broken leg. That proved to be quite a factor against Deer Valley and could be a factor against Newark.

  50. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    EBAL Fan, I’d still vote them top-10 as long as at least two of the games (outside of DLS) were within a touchdown or two. But it’s just my gut feeling that more people would drop them than we keep them up there.

  51. playa4real Says:

    Coach Ford- the difference between your staff at encinal and the one at foothill is that i doubt any foothill coaches would ever come here and point out the what they judge to be the weaknesses of encinal like you just did about foothill. that and about 200 more wins. encinal would be fly on the elephant that is foothiil. that game would make no sense for foothill to sked. they’d beat you guys by three touchdowns minimun next year.

  52. ManO'War Says:

    Sorry to hear about Logan kicker Diego Hernandez being out, he’s very good, feel sorry for him sitting out the season. Also makes it harder for mostly-young Logan team. Punter has to double…. Some facts for PHS04 and Coach Ford: guaranteed, Foothill is much faster than you think (though yes smaller than MV); Foothill games with Logan and Miramonte were not what it is capable of doing (though Novato was), but good play by both – watch Logan tough it out and Miramonte power through. Tough schedules should count in rankings, sure – consider what an average Div I team would likely do vs. a ‘very good’ Div III team on college level…. SRV Southwick is good enough to light a fire under anybody – go Boise! Cal and MV games with DLS particularly are high-interest games.

  53. PHS04 Says:

    should CAL drop for the close game with Amador or should Freedom move up for their performance???
    remember in week 1 Freedom took it to Amador 28-3

  54. Jimmy Durkin Says:

    For me Cal will drop … to 3. I’ve had them at No. 2 all along and I’ll say the case is now strong enough for me to make Monte Vista No. 2. I get the inclination you’re asking if Freedom should be ahead of Cal though and that’s a no. Cal still pulled out the win and Freedom doesn’t have a win on its resume as impressive as Cal beating Las Lomas and San Leandro.

  55. Kyle Bonagura Says:

    Cal will probably remain at No. 3 in the poll. Like Jimmy, I’ve had them at No. 2 and didn’t think there was enough of a reason to drop them to until now.

    I’ll probably end up going 1. DLS 2. MV 3. Cal, 4. Pitt, 5. SRV, 6. Foothill, 7. Freedom. The only change would be the MV-Cal switch.

  56. O'Dad Says:

    EBAL Fan, will you really bet me your house that O’Dowd would’nt beat Foothill on their best day? Fact is, on O’Dowds BEST day, they would blow them out. On their worst day, probably get blown out. And on a normal day, it would be a very tight game. But I forgot, according to you, we can’t even play with Logan and Newark. You obviously know your high school football even though this EBAL smugness gets tiresome, along with the BOD bashing. So let me tell you straight up-with the proper motivation, some of these teams you claim BOD cant play with, would actually get completely embarrassed by O’Dowd cause the talent superiority would be overwhelming, requiring more than “great coaching” to rescue them.

  57. EBAL FAN Says:

    I think you have to go….

    1. de la
    2. mv
    3. freedom
    4. pitt
    5. cal
    6. srv
    7. foothill

    and that is from an ebal fanatic

  58. EBAL FAN Says:

    O’Dad, O’yes, I would bet my o’house o’dowd would not beat o’foothill…..o’geez man, Monte Vista is a great team this year and foothill just put 31 on the board against them…please, I have had a ton of respect for the HAAL over the years, and this is not a year they are worth a o’darn.

  59. O'Dad Says:

    I am not talking about the HAAL. I’m talking about O’Dowd. See, this is where you and I disagree: You are proclaiming Monte Vista a “great team”. They are very good. Zach and Wilkerson especially. Foothill plays them tough, so therefore they must also be great. My point is, all these teams are comprised of 16-17 year old kids. Some days they are going to play very hard and very well. Other days, not as well as they can. I take offense when you consistently say my team just cant play with other teams, period. Especially teams such as Logan or Newark who I know BOD would blow out even on a so-so day.

  60. O'Boy Says:

    well then there’s only one way to solve this. have o’dowd schedule some more “competition” when their contracts with DIII schools run out. i know this year they had that obligation, but if o’dowd so chooses/wants to prove it can beat a logan or newark then why not allow that opportunity that normally wouldnt happen because they’re DI. yes they do beat several DII and DI teams in HAAL play, but should go beyond that to play upper division teams in pre season. im not saying go schedule foothill but encinal, some DFAL teams, heritage etc would be intriguing. just my thoughts about it

  61. O'Boy Says:

    doesn’t really matter if the dragons can get past the first round of the playoffs come NCS but a chance at a DI team could be a great game. for example, this year miramonte played foothill close, and campolindo will play deer valley. whats not to like about that, both matches are competitive.

  62. O'Dad Says:

    I have no problem with that. Actually I would like to see us play a WCAL team, an OAL team, or EBAL team. I get worked up over the absurdity of someone saying we couldn’t beat logan or Newark. Logan is a great program that happens to be down this year. I picked them to beat Newark, but I also picked Milpitas and CP to beat them. Newark is only 2 years removed from an 0-10 season, and were over-rated last year. Way over-rated this year.

  63. hsfan Says:

    good point. in retrospect cp should have beat them. but with cp’s defense against newark’s defense the cougars clearly won out that game.

    also a bishop o’dowd vs archbishop riordan or even archbishop mitty would look really good towards B.o.d (and reppin the north coast section haha) and i have no doubt they’d come up on top over amador, granada or any OAL team this year

  64. # 21 pvhs Says:

    the pinole valley spartans deserve to be on there. they beat a ranked oakland tech and held there D1 prospect hb 2 130 yrds and their D1 prospect reciever #5 2 basically nothing. Put em on there. more 2 cum

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