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NCS Division-I playoff picture
By Kyle Bonagura
Saturday, November 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm in Uncategorized.
Ok, what I decided to do is project out the next two weeks for the most likely scenario.
There are mathematically 18 teams alive for 12 spots:
Amador Valley, Antioch, Berkeley, Cal, College Park, De La Salle, Deer Valley, Foothill, Freedom, Granada, Irvington, James Logan, Monte Vista, Newark Memorial, Pittsburg, San Leandro, San Ramon Valley, Washington.
Here are what I’ve projected as those teams final records (No sense doing the “If it ended today game”):
De La Salle (9-1), Monte Vista (9-1), Pittsburg (9-1), Freedom (9-1), Berkeley (9-1), Foothill (8-2), Deer Valley (7-3), Newark Memorial (7-3), San Leandro (7-3), California (6-4), College Park (6-4), San Ramon Valley (6-4), Washington (6-4), James Logan (5-5), Amador Valley (4-6), Antioch (4-6), Granada (4-6), Irvington (4-6)
From the NCS website, here is the minimum qualifying criteria:
To be accepted as a participant in the NCS/Les Schwab Tires Football Championships, a team shall have compiled an overall record of at least an equal number of wins and losses; or an overall record of at least an equal number of wins and losses against teams in its own division; or at least an equal number of wins and losses in its own league.
Exception: league champions shall gain automatic entry.
a. “Teams in its own division” is defined as any team (note exception b and c below) whose grades 9-12 enrollment fall within the school’s NCS Football Division or has petitioned to a higher division.
b. Games against teams outside of the United States will not be counted in determining the “winning record within a division”.
c. When a team’s petition is approved to play in a division of greater enrollment, that division for which the team is approved shall be its division for the respective year.
If it plays out how I project, the qualifying teams would be widdled down to 15:
De La Salle (9-1), Monte Vista (9-1), Pittsburg (9-1), Freedom (9-1), Berkeley (9-1), Foothill (8-2), Deer Valley (7-3), Newark Memorial (7-3), San Leandro (7-3), California (6-4), College Park (6-4), San Ramon Valley (6-4), Washington (6-4), James Logan (5-5), Irvington (4-6)*
*Irvington would be .500 against Division-I teams
Next we assign leagues champions — which takes five spots from the 12 and gives each of those teams home field, unless playing a higher seeded league champion:
De La Salle (EBAL), Pittsburg (BVAL), Berkeley (ACCAL), San Leandro (HAAL), Washington (MVAL).
Seven spots for these ten teams:
Monte Vista (9-1), Freedom (9-1), Foothill (8-2), Deer Valley (7-3), Newark Memorial (7-3), California (6-4), College Park (6-4), San Ramon Valley (6-4), James Logan (5-5), Irvington (4-6)*
First order of business is to eliminate Irvington, so we have 9 for 7 spots.
Monte Vista, Freedom, Foothill, Deer Valley, Cal and San Ramon all should be in without much discussion, leaving 3 teams for 1 spot:
Newark Memorial (7-3), College Park (6-4) and James Logan (5-5).
Logan beat Newark.
Newark beat College Park.
College Park beat MVAL champion Washington.
The committee is definitely going to have a tough call here. I think Logan is the best team, but even though it beat Newark, that 5-5 record doesn’t look good in front of a committee. A 7-3 record for Newark does and despite the head-to-head loss, my guess would be that Newark will get the nod based on its win against CP and its 4-game over .500 record.
SEEDS
1. De La Salle — obvious
2. Monte Vista — 1 loss to DLS
3. Pittsburg — 1 loss to MV
4. Foothill — 2 losses, (DLS, MV)
5. Freedom — Big loss to Pitt drops them from 4
6. Berkeley — 9-1 record too gaudy to fall behind a 4 loss team.
7. Cal — Losses to DLS, MV, Foothill, Bellevue – can’t remember a better 4-loss team
8. San Ramon Valley — Will likely enter playoffs on a 4-game losing streak.
9. Deer Valley — Beat Sacred Heart Cathedral, which beat Valley Christian, which beat San Leandro. This team has no bad losses (Pitt, Freedom, Rodriguez)
10. San Leandro — Rematch with Cal likely, this time the Pirates will get them at home.
11. Washington — Intriguing matchup road game against Berkeley, remember Rahsaan Vaughn lead the Huskies to a win over No. 2 seeded Newark last year in the 3A playoffs– that team was better than this Berkeley team.
12. Newark Memorial — Lucky to be in. Can’t move the ball.
Bracket:
First round:
9 Deer Valley at 8 SRV — Winner at 1 De La Salle
12 Newark at 5 Freedom — Winner at 4 Foothill
11 Washington at 6 Berkeley — Winner at 3 Pittsburg
7 Cal at 10 San Leandro (league champ) — Winner at 2 Monte Vista (Unless SL)
Assuming the seeds play out, then we’d have:
SRV/DLS vs Freedom/Foothill
Berkeley/Pittsburg vs Cal/Monte VIsta.
Keeping the dream alive:
For the six teams still mathematically alive, that I don’t have making the playoffs, this is what you should be rooting for:
Antioch — Have Pittsburg and Freedom left and need to win at least one to even qualify. Two wins probably gets them in … not going to happen.
Amador — Same boat as Antioch, they have Monte Vista and Foothill left. They need one win to qualify, which would give them some ammo to go up against Newark/Logan/College Park with. So root for Amador to win (obviously) and root against Newark/Logan/College Park.
College Park — CP has two relatively easy games left (Mt. D, Northgate). CP is in trouble because of its head-to-head loss to Newark, so it will be rooting for Mission San Jose to pull a miracle or (more likley) for Kennedy to beat Newark in Week 10. I have to say, that game is key and could go either way. If Newark loses to Kennedy it’ll get really interesting.
Granada — First order of business: beat Cal. If that happens, they have a good shot — the loss to Amador really, really hurts.
Logan — Root against Newark and hope the committee gives them the nod anyways based on their head-to-head win.
Irvington — Pray.
I’m sure this should spark a lot of talk, let me hear what you guys think!!
-Kyle
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November 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
If SL gets Cal thn SL is in big trouble
November 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm
seems like the D1 playoff picture will be full of rematches for Pittsburg..
November 1st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Freedom could possibly fall below Berkeley.. They lost by a bigger margin to Pittsburg than Berkeley
November 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Berkeley doesn’t have a win against any NCS playoff teams, Freedom has the big win against Deer Valley, I think that is enough to slot Freedom ahead of the Jackets.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Well that defeat Freedom took has them scratching their heads.. Had it not been for over a 100 penalty yard by pittsburg, that defeat could have been a lot worse.. Them playing that weak non-league schedule showed.. they looked like deer caught in headlights all game long.. Keepin my fingers crossed for PITT/MV rematch…
November 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I think that’s what most people expected last night (at least I did), but still they’ll be 9-1 … no shame in that.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
SL is playing better now than when they played at Cal earlier this year and everyone seems to think Cal is playing worse then it was when they played earlier. And since SL will be a league champ they will host the game. I don’t think Cal has played on a grass field this year and Burrell Field is not holding up as well as it has in the past.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Cal played poorly against Amador/Foothill, but they’ve been very good the last three weeks. Is Las Lomas grass? Cal played there. But regardless, the field is the same for both teams. The playing surface will have no effect, especially since Cal is a power-running team.
Cal completely dominated SL when they met earlier in the year, this is not matchup SL should look forward to.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
As always Kyle thank you or the good and thorough analysis. Hard to argue with your logic. Seems like Logan might be a victim despite good play.
November 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
on google it looks like Las Lomas is turf. SL is playing better on D. St Elizabeth is playing at Burrell tonight and again next week so it is going to be in bad shape.
I think SL would like to have a rematch against SRV to get revenge for the no call fumble that cost them the game the first time.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I still don’t think the field getting torn up will play a factor regardless of how torn up it will be.
MOW- No problem, this is when it really starts to get fun!
November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
what about d-3 schools playoff picture?
November 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
the mval is nothing like it was last year. Newark and Logan are a joke compared to last years teams.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
to be honest the only decent team in the mval is Washington
November 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I must be really late or something, but I thought that SRV played down in Div II or something like that. So they are DivI??
November 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
D3 not a whole lot of thought but D3 should look something like this I would think folks:
Encinal, Novato, Miramonte, Alhambra, El-Cerrito, BOD, Alhambra, Marin Catholic, Piedmont, Analy, San Marin, Albany, Del Norte…
November 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pm
SRV was 3A last year, but the re-allignment brought them up to D-I.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
kyle I don’t understand what the jackets have to do to get the respect they deserve.
they beat Pinole,projected to win the accal,james logan, leading the oal castlemont and have shut out the rest their only lose is to pitt.IF you didn’t win your leaque, your seeding for playoffs should be after the league champs have been decided.
MV, Foothill,should beat DLS for the league
title before seeding them a head of a team,
with a winning record and League champ.
Berkeley should be seeded 4th with a second rd. home game!!!!!
November 1st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Jacketfan,
Instead of doing that NCS gives lower seeded league champs home games in the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs. Using Kyle’s bracket #10 seed San Leandro, a league champ, will host the #7 Cal and if they pull off the upset they then could host #2 Monte Vista in the 2nd round.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm
dnrapp
that is the the point.you have 5 d1league champs. so lets start there first. Not try to set match ups with ebal teams in the second round. two league champs should not
have to beat one another up. Earn the right
to play a league champion. Beat the one you could not beat first.the lowest seed of the league champs should host the first rd. game.here is a little history, Berkeley went (9-1),they didn’t get in the playoffs.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm
jacketfan b-high would b lucky 2 come in 6th ebal. wont b surprised if u lose in the 1st round.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pm
617lemon
how can you detemine what the future holds?
I can remember whem b-high did very well
in the ebal. Berkeley and DLS were moved out of the ebal and NCS had somthing to do with that.
so do you have a problem playing your league champ again before facing another.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Lets be honest. When deciding these seeding im sure they take into consideration strength of schedule and they have to consider how good the team really is. Berkeley is not that good of a team. Honestly out of the 5 teams seeded ahead of you, u might be able to beat 1, and thats Freedom. Just be happy with your home-field advantage.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
dboy925
base on your better judgement, the ebal is the measuring stick of strength,and a far as
homefield- advantage. how about berkeley hosting the winner of cal-mv???
November 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
the future tells me as soon as b-high plays some from ebal,dval or san leandro its a rap. b-high is one dimensional.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
berkeley don’t want 2 c mv or cal. there hope’n 4 washington. would love 2 them play deer valley after last years ncs seeding meeting.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm
617lemon
sometimes one dimensional is a good thing
November 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pm
I just got one problem with Berkeley hosting the winner of Cal/MV…They gotta beat Pitt, and that just dosen’t seem like something they can accomplish..lol
November 1st, 2008 at 9:47 pm
The lowest seed of the EBAL (SRV) beat Washington and San Leandro (both leaders of their leagues). It’s easy to follow the logic of weaker leagues being lower seeds when they are beaten by the lowest rated seed of a much stronger league (EBAL). Ultimately its about finding the best team, not who won their league. Castlemont which was at a four team scrimmage (Deer Valley, Castro Valley, Castlemont and San Ramon Valley) a week before the first game of the season, was BY FAR the worst team and was clearly outmatched by talent and coaching on both offense and defense by every other team there. Look at the stats…all of the teams leading in the defensive category are in the OAL…which is a good indicator of the inept offensive play in that league. Last year in the NCS, San Ramon demolished Pinole which had been hyped and a great record going in…strength of league is vital to having a meaningful NCS.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
won’t cut it against the big boys
November 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
617lemon
if taking on MV-Cal winner gives them respect bring on the best. DV should have handle their BZ on the field against pitt.
I was there.
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November 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm
True, DV could have knocked the Pirates off, but they diden’t. So it basically dosen’t matter. Now that i think of it, DV is a team thats seeded below B-High and could probably beat them. DV played Pitt alot better then you guys…lol
November 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm
mv will beat u by 3 touchdowns jacketfan. cal by 2 td’s. y did b-high drop deer valley from there non-league cause u get no respect playin castro valley.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Jacketfan, I would see your point if there were 5 D1 league champs from 5 D1 leagues, but there aren’t 5 D1 leagues. There are 3 mostly D1 leagues(one non-D1 school in both the MVAL and BVAL) and 2 leagues with D1 champs that are made up of mixed sized schools(ACCAL and HAAL). I won’t even get into the DVAL and the D1 College Park.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
if you football fans think that b-high only
runs the football that’s a good thing.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm
jacketfan i know the fade route but thats about it or ur weak blast pass that always goes 2 the fullback. accal only 1 d-1 school berkeley. they better win it!
November 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Im sure no one thinks they jus run the ball. Its just thats the only thing they are kinda good at.Lol
November 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm
that’s right lemon617. Wasn’t Coach Carter’s thoughts on who was the better team between 2 teams they played the deceiding factor with keeping DV out of the playoffs?
November 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Right now…Foothill is a better team than Cal. Better coached and a much better defense. They didn’t show it against DeLaSalle but they did against Cal and SRV. They also hung in with MV for most of the game. Deer Valley is a strong team and has good size which would help them against the EBAL Teams like Cal and MV that have bigger players. Pitt caught MV early in the season with a QB playing his 2nd game….they are much tougher now at this point. Cal will be lucky to score on DeLaSalle…and there defense..won’t stop the running game of DeLaSalle either.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm
tell me jacketfan if u where 2 meet pitt again would expect a different result? if so how another lucky punt return?
November 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm
ebal follower
I was at the pitt scrimage when pitt took DLS apart.the purpose of coaching is to get these find young people better each week.
b-high did well in a scrimmage against serra
who gave DLS a pretty good game. b-high scrim merced,modesto- stockton,vallego.
the the players in the ebal also have personal coach’s, camps,bed room, parents,
and a way to get to school. I am so proud
of the effort the oal players put forward each day trying to survive. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS
November 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Jacketfan period point blank.. you guys aren’t gonna get a high 1-4 seed… if it all works out there will be 4 9-1 teams who are better.. i mean you guys may have an argument with freedom, you both got demolished by pitt..
November 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
PHS04
POINT WELL TAKEN
November 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
You are right, effort is important…I commend any kid with or without talent that puts in the effort. As a coach of kids in youth sports…you coach effort, technique is secondary. This is about who is the best high school football team, regardless of background. Nobody mentions recruiting on this blog about DeLaSalle do they ? But they are recognized as the best. Until someone beats them in this area (not a team from New Jersey) they are still the best. Scrimmages are a good measure but DeLaSalle beat MV that beat Pitt, period. Berkeley has a great record, just time to step up the competition. Same with Pitt.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pm
What do you mean time for Pitt to step up to competition?? Every one Pitt has played has a winning record. the teams Pittsburg has faced have a combined record of 49-14… No team in Northern California has a combined opponent win-loss record of such. so umm yea.. do your research..
November 1st, 2008 at 11:47 pm
EBAL follower, come on you cant be serious foothills defense is that good. they let SRV score 3 times in 5 minutes and lost their 20 point lead. that is frightening if you are their defensive coordinator. the only reason SRV lost that game is because their offense started slow(but finished very on target) and their defense never showed up. i was at the game and foothill isnt as strong as was in 06. that year their defense didnt give 35 up to another strong SRV team in a 17-14 win. the only good games they played were against teams that had their worst ones, wins over novato and cal. you could say their worst games were also wins against miramonte(14-7 started slow) and srv(40-35 finished slow). i’ll keep DLS out of it because SRV’s just as likely to get blown out but not as bad as foothill(63-7) because they’ve got the southwick factor. see above THREE TD’S in the 4th quarter and the san leandro game. maybe in a year they’ll be stronger. speaking about san ramon and foothill’s defense. in my opinion they(foothill) were way down last year and somewhat this year even tho they have a next-year’s-star qb in mannion. as for san ramon, if they manage to work on their defense i see them making it past the first round of the playoffs, cause it’s probly too modest to say they’ll finish better than 6-4. I see no reason they cant lose to both teams stronger than any they’ve faced all year in de la salle and monte vista.
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 am
I think Cal should be ranked higher than Berkeley, strictly looking at the teams cal played and who they lost to. They lost by a touchdown to arguably the best team in the state of washington, lost to a very good foothill team when Cal was playing poorly, lost to MV on a last second field goal, and assuming DLS.
Berkely is a good team, but im sure if Berkeley played the teams Cal played this year, they would have lost them all by a large total.
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 am
mr bonagura, why have the top teams in the mval gone way downhill? I attended Newark memorial and James Logan games. Both of their offenses are anemic. What could possibly happen in one year that could cause an entire program to fall apart. You have seen them play. They would get killed in playoffs. Washington seemscto be the only team that kept last years momentum. Please tell me how can this happen?
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:20 am
As for EBAL players “also have personal coach’s, camps,bed room, parents,and a way to get to school”: hey, if true, good idea, why don’t we all do that then. As for suggested Foothill defense nightmare of giving up 3 late TD’s, don’t forget halftime score was 20-14 – so the nightmare was really SRV’s third quarter defense, 34-14, and final Foothill drive. Can’t buy any “we just started slow” arguments (true for every loss). Different results are due to different things like players injured (MV especially), MO-changes, etc. ’06 irrelevant now.
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
jj
please look into b-high defensive numbers.
after review I think there one of the top teams in the area. and if you have not seen
them. b-high is big,fast,strong. and deep
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
while i agree the MVAL is down…remember Logan is full of juniors, and they are missing Evans, who was arguably the best player in the bay area last year. MVAL tends to be more of a defensive league, their offenses tend to be lesser than the EBAL outside of Washington and Logan (last year) but their defenses are on par with the rest of the teams.
like i said on this blog before, the game has changed and the ability to both run and pass has been the most effective way to win games…teams are too well prepared to take one or other away unless you have just a ridiculous amount of great athletes on the field, well then it doesn’t really matter what offense you run because it will all be successful. that being said I do not think Foothill and SRV have established run games that anyone fears and CAl does not have a pass game anyone fears. So really when it comes down to it only MV truly has a great offense which is nearly unstoppable because of their ability to do whichever the defense takes away.
Yes SRV will be the lowest seed in the EBAL and that makes your league really strong…other that DLS (private School) and MV the next three are toss ups and are pretty much a coin flip each time out…if they all played each other 10 times they would probably come close to splitting…so really its 1 DLS, 2 MV, 3a foothill, 3b cal, 3c SRV…Next best teams are AV and Granada who are solid and COULD beat some HAAL and MVAL teams, but they COULD also beat the teams ahead of them…they are just too inconsistent to say they would all dominate the other leagues…so yes ebal has 5 upper echelon teams, but nobody is disputed that with DLS (the only true scholarship offering Private School in NORCAL)..,
and my two cents on whether league champions should be ranked above at large teams, absoultely not! the best teams should be seeded accordingly, although i think the rule about being a league winner and getting the home game is a small advantage for winning your league, i do not see anything wrong with that.
and remember before you start ripping the other league EBAL, remember….San Leandro, Logan and Pitt are the only teams in the last 10 years to legitimately take DLS down to the wire in the east bay..so yes your EBAL power rings true this year, but until you start coming close to beating them (from what I hear MV was not that close, they gave them a decent game but never took control of game)…seen logan and SL take control of DLS a few times, but just could never seal the deal.
last year logan beat up on MV and foothill, and Wash tied SRV…this year has been a different year…maybe next will go back the other way…but no doubt top to bottom EBAL is 2nd to none in strength (well except Livermore)…
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am
Hey wait a minute. Aren’t there any other Div 1 teams from all of NorCal that could be in these playoff games? What about some of the Div 1 teams from Sac/Stockton? Anyway, at playoff time, records against any teams are irrelevent,but one thing is absolutely certain, you got to go through DLS to get anywhere. I’m thinking DLS vs Long Beach Poly, or a repeat DLS vs Centennial State Div 1 Championship in a close game. DLS will be the underdog because of their loss to Don Bosco Prep. I also think that DLS would’t have that 151 game streek if they played the SoCal powerhouses every week. There seems to be an endless supply of quality players from SoCal.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
jacketfan- You asked what Berkeley has to do to earn some respect…
The answer is beat simple: beat a good team.
The Castlemont win is the only decent win Berkeley has to its credit and that still won’t carry much weight at the NCS meeting. Pinole is the only other team with a winning record Berkeley has beaten which isn’t all that great considering Pinole’s winning record is the product of a weak schedule.
Bottom line is that the ACCAL is the second worst league in the East Bay this year (behind the BFL). You put Berkeley in the EBAL and it would be on par with Amador Valley and Granada.
Trying to compare stats from teams who play in tougher leagues with the Berkeley stats is pointless because Berkeley had the softest schedule of any D-I team who will qualify for NCS. Do you really think they’d be logging shutouts in the BVAL? I say no.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
BUT AT THE END OF THE FOOTBALL…
HOW MANY OF THESE KIDS GOT FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO
D-1 COLLEGES???? I DON’T CARE ABOUT CIF/NCS/LEAGUE CHAMPIONS,WHAT MATTERS IS HOW MANY WILL TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL? MY SON IS A TOP D-1 PROSPECT COMING OUT OF BERKELEY. PERIOD POINT BLANK!!!!
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:55 am
AJ, everyone is talking about the NCS D1 playoffs. Sac and Stockton teams are not in the North Coast section they are in the Sac-Joaquin section.
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
dnrapp-Yes you are correct. My issue was that there is not another game for the Sac/Stockton teams and the presupposes that the NCS is superior to those teams from that area. After all, would teams from the NCS like to locked out of the Div 1 championship game if the situation was reversed? What good would it do to have a section championship if you were denied the state? It also means that there is no realistic state playoff system for all the schools.
De La Salle is going to sweep the rest of the games anyway, so the only issue for you dreamers in the NCS is who gets to play DLS in the final game for NCS. The other teams are totally irrelevent and only a total disaster of all time will prevent the inevitable. Get used to it EBAL and NCS, it may take years if at all. Next year DLS is going to be even better.The BVAL was happy to rid themselves of DLS. Maybe DLS should do a road show and take on the hot teams from around the nation and not submit themselves to inferior teams from northern California. There are plenty of DLS quality teams in SoCal. I’m putting up $25 to Chace Bryson’s favorite charity if DLS loses, how about you dreamers?
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Facts are facts and they can not be disputed. B-High is in a horrible position and it will continue to be until they get out of the horrid ACCAL. If any team in that league beats them their season is over in any given year. PERIOD. They need to go to the EBAL or HAAL. Neither of which wanted them once Coach Zo took the job. Coincidently citing travel costs. So Berkeley will have to continue to win league to even sniff the playoffs. I love B-High But they are to their detriment a 1 dimensional team. Maybe they should use some of these 57-0 to work on their passing game.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
AJ I think you have De La a little too high on that pedestal o yours. The fact is they cherry-pick their opponents. Which is ok if you’re just “regular high school program usa” but if you’re supposedly the best. Come come now. After the first televised game a few years back there were tons of teams across the nation wanting a shot at “the streak.” And none of them got a shot. Schools in Texas and Florida were willing to pay their travel costs. But they chose to play Evangeline the year after Booty left and a team in Seattle that shouldn’t have even been on the field with them. By the way they lost that game. I won’t start on the recruiting. Because it’s not illegal for them. But they do it. As a former youth coach I had Dj Williams and Elijah Bradley and played on a team with Amani Toomer. They do it. Trust me.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
My offer was only that DLS lose in league play or NCS playoff, not the state Championship. Most likely DLS will play Long Beach Poly or Centennial.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Sunshine-
I like your style, get yours. Don’t care about the team, you’re the type of parent every kid should have!
- Terrell Owens
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
AJ, starting this year there is an open division State Bowl game. So if you think they will automaticly take DLS out of the north there is another game for a North D1 team to play for a state title.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Concerned, That is just the nature of HS sports. Most schools will experience cycles and after a banner year last year, the MVAL experienced a big drop off this year.
Logan lost 20 starters from last year’s team. NM lost Stewart, the Gates kids, and some other key contributors. Washington was actually probably a better team last year as well — they lost a bunch (Mozzetti, Andrade, Patterson, Cole etc) but after a bad start theyve done a great job.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Football Realist- You are somewhat correct about ups and downs, but I think mistaken about the timing of such things. The games that DLS plays outside the area are usually arranged more than a year in advance so that the travel arrangements can be made and the schedule finalized. Don Bosco Prep wanted to play DLS several years ago but the travel arrangements were fouled. Nothing to do with either teams. So this year Don Bosco comes to Concord and beats DLS, were they cherry picking for a down year? I also think that your reasoning is deficient about Bellevue HS, they were a top team in Washington for years, and they are still top notch, didn’t they beat a local team from the EBAL recently? What can you say about the Long Beach Poly Jackrabbits, DLS beat them two years running when LB had a teriffic team. DLS technically doesn’t recruit. They have a standing offer that they will own up if you can prove that they recruit. If you can’t prove it then you are full of baseless innuendo. My offer still holds, $25 to Chace Bryson’s favorite charity if some league opponent or NCS opponent beats DLS this year.I will also give $25 to Chace Bryson’s favorite charity if you can prove that DLS recruits before the the end of NCS playoffs this year. On top of that I will admit that I was wrong about the local teams in one of these HS blogs. I will be surprised myself and it will be worth the money to see a league or other NCS opponent beat DLS this year. Isn’t it worth it to see DLS fall from the pillar? or are you just all discourse and no action? Prove me wrong on both counts and I will own up, pay the piper and enjoy the results. I have no tolerance for cheaters, especially cheaters who take away wins from kids who play their hearts out, get broken bones,and sprained bodies. Recently where I live now, a local HS had an inelligible player for 6 games, during the playoffs this situation was found out, unfortunately 2 playoff games had been played, only the second game was forfeited. One playoff team was rewarded and the other playoff team was punished by the theft of their right to have an honest game played. What happened to the team that was called? All games that year were forfeited, that’s it. It’s a good thing I wasn’t running that show. I would have bounced the coach and forbid that team from playing in the next year playoff should that happen. In fact I’m on your side if you can prove DLS actually recruits and obtains a clear advantage over the local teams. The next question for you, If you are Joe Montana and both your sons play football, and they are not actively recruited by DLS, do you send your sons to DLS? Yes you do and then since they can’t break into being first string QB because of their name, you send them to Oaks Christian to do very well in SoCal.I think Oaks Christian is 8-0
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
AJ, mix in a couple new paragraphs — it’s tough to read a block of text like that. Lots of interesting takes though.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
dnrapp- Thanks for the info. I read some mention about an open division, but just scanned the article and didn’t get the time to read further. Does CalPreps have more info on this news? Again Thanks.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I don’t know if its recruiting or not but back when i was a kid playing for west pitt youth football in 8th grade they just used to send us football camp invites.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Kyle Bonagura – Sorry, I had a stream of consiousness thought process going.
I emailed Chace and notified him about my proposal. Will he accept it? I don’t know.
But, all he really needs to do is tell me the charity and I will send the money in his name.
Hey, if DLS loses league games or NCS this year, I’ll certainly be surprised and willing to own up. Eat crow so to speak, or is that Spartan spear points?
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
PHS04- I really don’t think invites are recruiting. Several high schools probably do the same.
I am always amazed at the ends that people who dislike DLS go through. I would dislike them too if there was something that actually hurt or disgusted me about their play or deportment.
I have nothing against DLS, I find it almost unbelievable that they actually won 151 games in a row. This is perfection that just doesn’t happen and most likely will not happen again in several lifetimes.
There is a team in Charlotte, NC that was attempting to beat the DLS record. Independence HS, the Patriots, was their school and name. They had run up their win record to 108. Quite an feat, but they went for years only playing teams within the state.
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Its sad because DLS has to get out of state schools to play them because California Schools cant keep up
November 2nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
AJ in college football what is given to an athlete when a school wants them to attend and play football there?? it starts with an s and ends with a ship…….
November 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
TO – you beat me to the punch. I’m sure son of Sunshine’s teammates are happy to know that he’s playing for a scholarship and not for the rest of the team.
Focusing on what the individual gets out of a team sport instead of the team itself is something that’s wrong with high school sports, not something to be bragging about.
November 2nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
with all due respect to d.l.s. -they are not playing by the same rules as say monte vista,how many “recruits” would m.v. get if they could offer kids from outside the area free school…sad but true public schools cant keep up with the green(cash)machine.
November 2nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Amador Valley is coming into their on and a very scary team to face when they are playing their game! They also have a very tough schedule to boot! They should definately get the nod with one more win!!
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
DLS has a lot of money to travel all over the country to play and gete recruits to come to there school and play especially tht basketball player whos already commited to georgetown
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
yea… i hear DLS puts their athletes up at the Marriott. They don’t go to class, instead they lift weights, go to the sauna, etc. I also hear if they score a touchdown they get Xbox systems and free games.
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:44 pm
and NCS wont investigate because they are all DLS Fans HAHAHAHAHA
November 2nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
kyle
b-high Beat the teams they are supposed to beat. I am not too impressed. you had pinole winning the accal
but the thing b-high is very young also.
b-high is not the school even the ebal want in their league, the haal is fighting
tooth and nail to keep them out.
when you get b-high you get 37 varsity sports. encinal is a product of the accal
sunshine
every player at b-high is expected to go to the level, and that was before zo got there.
AS they prepare for there next game people
need to remember b-high is a D-1 school
and the sleeping monster is waking up.
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Jacket-
You’re right, B-High beats who they are supposed to beat. But the same can be said for nearly all the playoffs team at D-I. I definitely did not pick Pinole to win the ACCAL … not sure where that is coming from.
Besides, you’re getting way off topic. I have Berkeley as the No. 6 seed in the D-I playoffs, if anything, that recognizes that the Berkeley program is getting better.
Remember, we are talking about a team that hasn’t won an NCS playoff game in over a decade. With the second biggest student body to draw from (behind Logan) that drought should be driving you as a Berkeley fan crazy.
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I also have to add that if “Sunshine’s” comments represent the general attitude of Berkeley players/parents etc, it will be tough to foster a winning environment.
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
EBALplayer- I said it before if you can absolutely prove that DLS actively recruits in violation of california scholastic rules then you have something to take to league offices, state offices and to the public, otherwise what you say is innuendo and not based on fact. I’d be on your side if you can prove it because I hate cheaters. If you cannot prove that DLS is cheating before the proper authorites then it’s hot air.
Again, DLS says prove it to them if they are not following the rules, they will own up.
This goes on year after year with lots of noise but no proof. DLS is playing within the rules that apply to them as a private school. If you don’t like the rules then too bad. Then the only solution for you is to not let them compete with public schools in public school leagues and throw all the private schools into their own league or leagues, disallow them to compete for the state championship with the public schools.If you think that is fair, then so do I. But don’t say a school cheats because you don’t like the rules that all schools have acknowledged and agreed to.
This only becomes an issue when there is an unbalanced condition. Had DLS lost a few games to local teams we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Every year I look at the player stats, every year it comes back with the same results. DLS players do not show up in great numbers. The stats show that good players are pretty much distributed equally amomg the top performing schools.
I also looked at the DLS offensive and defensive lines and their weights. DLS comes in at least 20-30 pounds less than the average teams they play yet they dominate the opposing teams.
DLS does shine on defense, playing heads up smart defense.
I’d say to beat DLS, you’d have to have faster team speed, make no errors ,or few, be able to play heads up defense and control the ball for long periods. Not to forget the ability to score quickly in case all else fails.
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
kyle
hard work is expected,and there are the rewards. if they give everything they have on the field, and do well in the classroom (b-high is not a 2+2 school,they have a goal,) you are right kyle, zo has brought that swagger back. it is hard when kids did not want to play for the past coach. but the program is looking good for the future.
please ebal,bval,haal please send a league
invite to berkeley, travel is not a problem.
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
LOL
Jacketfan… the EBAL is NOT afraid of berkeley high. Monte Vista beat them like three years in a row from 2004 to 2006. And not one of those games was close. When was the last time Berkeley even won a playoff game? If Berkeley High was in the EBAL they would win 1, maybe 2 league games. The reason that the EBAL does not want them to join is because there are already 8 teams in the league and the coaches want to be able to schedule some non-league stuff
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
LMAO!!! MV u r sightly delusional. Fact: those games were all BC. (before Carter) and for your flawed rational for them not wanting Berkeley. And both the EBAL and HAAL were ready to accept Berkeley before he got the job. So much so that the guy showed up on campus in spring an got 4 seniors that were on no ones radar full ride scholarships to at least D-2 schools.
The “sleeping giant” everyone refers to actually is nothing of the kind. The school has superior speed and athletes who were severely under coached by the previous staff. I know it and if you’re real with yourself you’ll admit it. How long before the Jackets get used to the style of play if your precious EBAL? Or in your bubble world Does Berkeley never get up to par. Maybe you have noticed but they have yet to be SCORED upon in their inferior league. That’s a separate animal then just beating the snot out of someone.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pm
ha i dont think anybody wants to have to play us in league if they dont have to Berkeley fans. Even as much as Pitt loved to go at us each year, their league voted us out and into a ‘tougher’ 8 team East Bay league. to all the D1 schools, you want to play the top teams you can compete in. makes it look better if you’re to have a shot at us. last year james logan was supposed to be the sh*t after wiping the floor with bad teams in their league. but instead cal beat them and in return we got a tested team. really that just got them a lower scoring shutout than berkeley. but they were tested and not one dimensional.
so take into consideration all those come playoffs. we’re gonna run all over everybody. and all you good teams need to start playing each other before you think you have a chance with us. its not arrogant if its true.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
would teams from the tri-valley want to travel to berkeley. dude the leagues are geographical and enrollment based. ebal has 8 teams. DLS has been in their realignment for a few years now. everybody knows that duh. this nonsense about berkeley joining ebal is crazy. if they think they should be in another league throw them in san leandro’s league. it’d make that weak league at least a little better. or you should just have a whine-free zone about their league and let NCS decide. Logan’s been doing fine and so has Pitt and College Park and San Leandro as the champs in their leagues. they own so why does berkeley being somewhere else matter. they’ll just get whooped by somebody stronger later on anyway. be it MV or Cal or DLS or Foothill or SRV. do you see where im going with this. granadas speed could get them too
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Realist-
Berkeley was in the EBAL in the late 90s, but got realligned after the 1999-2000 season. It just didn’t make sense then — and still doesn’t now.
Until Berkeley either has success in non-league against some of the area’s top teams or ends the decade-plus playoff losing streak, it really doesn’t make sense to include the Jackets in conversations about the best teams.
That right is earned with play on the field against top competition, not by proclimations of their greatness on blogs. I think Carter would agree with that.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
why,
we’re talking about the realignment process. More happened then just De La moving. one of the proposals that actually got pretty far was Berkeley coming to you guys. No one wants to be king of a small shallow pond. Their league is not down this year its horrible…. Every year. Can you honestly blame them for wanting to play better competition. I’ll admit that your league is more competitive top to bottom But you can’t believe B-high will get hammered week in week out. Can you????
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
DLs Rulez,
thanks for being modest about DLS. The words you saidreally shows the morals and values DLS teaches its students.
I do think that the rest of the east bay is catching up to DLS. this year alone, DLS needed a botched XP to beet Serra, played a closer game than needed against Amador, and only won by 10 over MV. Now that the strong EBAL teams get a chance to see DLS every year, they can find ways around DLS. Do i think DLS is going to lose often, no. But i do think that within the next four years while they’re in EBAL, an east bay team will beat them.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
with these EBAL schools. when you can get a coach in a system and maintain a longevity then your team is gonna be good at some point in his tenure.
The only problem i have with the EBAL is the bias they consistently get. When you get beat 63-7 by a team that is in your league you should drop FAR, DLS or not. They are in your league and you think you can compete. I mean Freedom is gonna drop for losing to Pittsburg by 28 right??
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
DLS isn’t an independent any more they are in league and the reason they are good isn’t due to recruiting or any of that. They are good because of coaching.. The top EBAL teams are good because of coaching.. Why does a loss to DLS get overlooked as if it were an ehibition?? Every one is so hooked up on the DLS mystique that losing to them is alright. Time to call it how its seen.. You lose to a team in YOUR league by 50+ points then you aren’t as good as advertised. period.
I don’t think Foothill should be ahead of any 9-1 team in the polls.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Realist,
Foothill played Berkeley from 04-07 and won the three games by a combined score of 88-17. Berkeley did indeed have bigger, faster, better atheletes and they were dominated. In my opinion a big difference was that they were not very disciplined and frankly did not appear to have much heart.
When they start proving it on the field, we can start talking about them in the same sentences as Logan, Pittsburg, San Leandro and the better EBAL teams.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Kyle,
I think you”re misunderstanding. I never called berkeley one of the best teams in the state. And in fact agree that it should be decided on the field. I simply pointed out the fact that it is down right foolish to expect that team with those athletes to not be able to compete in any league. especially the EBAL.
De La has dominated for all the reasons we’ve discussed so far. But some of us seem to have this elitist attitude when it comes to discussing a chink in their amour. And now that attitude has spread to there new league. It’s like the original Dream Team. Guess what the world is catching up. I would agree that everything they do is within their rules as a private school. More power to them. Do what you do. If those are the rules so be it. But Coach Lad has shown us the way and all the kids will turn out better for it.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:40 pm
PHS- We’ve gone over this plenty of times now.
What does it matter if DLS was an independent or in a league. They haven’t lost to Bay Area team since 1991. That means there are probably kids playing for DLS that weren’t even born when that loss to Pitt occurred.
No one should get punished for a loss to DLS because EVERYONE LOSES TO DLS. It worked the same way when your Pirates were getting beat year after year.
Foothill absolutely drilled Novato, beat Cal and beat SRV. Neither Berkeley or Freedom has key wins that come close to any of those three, so why should they be ahead of Foothill? Do you honestly think either of those two would stand a chance against DLS??
After Foothill lost to DLS, it bounced back with 2-straight wins.
I had a 1-loss Pitt team ranked ahead of an undefeated SRV team that for weeks. Was that wrong?
Come’on man…
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Realist- If Berkeley was in the EBAL this year, it would have trouble.
Since 2001 Berkeley is 0-7 against EBAL schools and has been outscored 176-55. The closest margin was 13 points.
That just the facts.
Now will Carter help that? Probably, but until its proved on the field I’ll have my doubts. The results just speak for themselves.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
the margin of defeat. The reason DLS is in EBAL is that the teams felt they could compete and voted them in.. I mean Granada didn’t lose that bad to DLS, neither did amador.. DLS doesn’t beat everybody and not that bad.. I think that was the most lopsided defeat in the past 4 years or so for DLS..
DLS isn’t the same great school they were back when they had there streak.. Coach Lad said it himself that he didnt think Bosco was any better than the top EBAL teams. I think DLS loss to them..
My argument isn’t for the sake of any of these Freedoms or Berkeleys, its just that a loss to DLS is treated as an exhibition.
The only reason I would have ranked pitt over a srv is because the schedule they’ve played.. Its contradictiory i know but in the same sense you can’t lose by 56 to anyone and be alright.. Hell if Ohio State would have lost by 56 to USC i woulda dropped them outta my polls fast no hesitation.. I think USC has around the same amount of losses as DLS over the past 4 seasons or so..
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Berkeley is over hyped. There lone loss this season could have been way worse than 23 points to Pitt, but we all know how conservative galli is as a head coach.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I see what you’re trying to say, but at the same time… who should Foothill fall behind?
I’m pretty sure you were on the Pitt team in 2003… you lost 39-0 in the NCS finals. That’s pretty ugly, does that mean you guys should have took a dive in the final rankings?
I say no.
If you say yes, that’s a complete contradiction.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
but kyle everyone is stating that berkeley has the talent. So why will no one concede the fact that they will be ok in the current EBAL? Discipline is no longer an issue. and the are receiving arguably some of the best coaching on this side of the bay.
I think they’re still another year away. They’ve got a few more knuckle-heads to clear out and another year in the same system will help the underclassmen. The Pitt game was actually closer then it looked on paper. Special teams killed them. And that was leaps and bounds from the pasting they got from the “Almighty” to end last season. Face it people the gap is closing. But I understand. You all buy stock the same time everyone else does. No one does the research and gets in on the ground floor anymore.
I’m not even a B-high fan…… I’M JUST A REALIST!
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:10 pm
we were part of the streak.. So i’d have to go with the common “It was DLS” lol, but hell that team was GREAT and they hadn’t lost to a team their own coach called no better than the EBAL teams they will face.. and since we are back on ’03 ,you know we beat Foothill 55-7 and they were the higher seed? Ironic.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
WITH 3000+ Kids the gap should have never even been there to begin with… and in taking away special team they would have lost 21-6. But sorry special teams is part of the game..
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:20 pm
we scord two time on passing so 21-14
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
And I actually agree with you seedings with the exception of Freedom. Under the current structure you have to seed everyone where they are. To be the man you must beat the man. Or in a lot of these teams cases compete closely with the man. Freedom has beaten no one. All their non-league opponents stand at 4-4 or worse, the BVAL is top heavy this year, and they’ll get another loss hung on them by Heritage this week letting them finish at 8-2 ( Liberty not posing a threat of course)
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
DLS is 8 games removed from being the Maxpreps.com National Champions. It lost to a national powerhouse on a last second field goal, they haven’t dropped off so far to a point where teams should expect to compete with them on a consistent basis. DLS is ranked No. 3 in California right now, I’d say that’s pretty good.
You also have to remember that Lad has everything in the world to gain by saying the EBAL schools are as good as Bosco. It makes the wins look even better … I mean look how that comment is the basis for your wanting to drop Foothill in the rankings.
Realist- Everyone always says Berkeley has talent — that talent just hasn’t translated to wins over the past decade. I stand by my prior statements that until Berkeley beats a good team or a playoff game, I don’t think it would fair well in the EBAL.
I thought Logan was going to crush Cal last year, but Cal went to Logan and won going away. There are stories like that almost every year…
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Where would you have Freedom?
They have a win big win against Deer Valley and beat Amador by a much bigger margin that Cal did.
Berkeley’s doesn’t have a win that would elevate them above Freedom…
I did the seeding based on Freedom beating Heritage, so I’d obviously have to re-evaluate if Heritage were to win.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
quick question.. If Freedom played Pittsburg’s non league schedule went 7-1 with the loss to Pittsburg.. who gets the nod in the seedings??
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Meaning Freedom would have a win over Monte Vista?
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
i meant to put that in there a loss to MV and Pittsburg. basicaaly the same record as Foothill
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:36 pm
phs
we can’t change the past we can only learn from it and move forward. I acknowledge their program’s growth was stunted. But knowing where it stands right now I just wanted to show that it sure sounds like you all would have no problem with that school being in you league if they proved they can compete with you. Which I know would not be the case. But I will be sure to be in attendance for pitt-v-Berkeley 09. What about you guys. Oh I forgot, It’s too far to travel.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:40 pm
It really would depend on who the wins were against. The losses basically cancel each other out… so we’d look at key wins.
Foothill has Cal, SRV, Novato.
Freedom would have Deer Valley, Heritage.
I think that gives Foothill the edge.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Basically it comes down to coaching.. Kids all over are blessed with talent but with no real direction they are just another talented undisciplined kid.. I agree with the fact the Berkeley could be a year away.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Bottom line – Berkeley wins in playoffs, they get respect; Berkeley loses in playoffs, they get no respect
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Got2go- exactly.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pm
And I wouldn’t elevate them because of Freedom’s lack of quality opponents. The would go up by default. I just can’t reward Freedom for hanging out with the cool kids. They gotta beat someone. almost and close only counts in horseshoes and hang grenades. Mark my words. Freedom gets hammered in round one.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
If they play Newark, they won’t get hammered.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
how so? the teams Freedom would have face would have had a combined 49-14 win/loss record.. doesn’t that mean something??
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
For what its worth, Freedom looked really good in Week 0 against Amador. Who gave Cal all it could handle and played well against DLS.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:47 pm
PHS04, your statement above is wrong. The reason DLS got voted into the EBAL was that the other schools didn’t want them in their league. The EBAL folks didn’t vote for them to join.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 pm
That number is padded by Fremont and Berkeley. I also don’t think Freedom would beat SHC.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Doesn’t really matter anyways, since Freedom didn’t play Pitt’s schedule….
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
well my bad.. but nonetheless they are an EBAL team now
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
yea i was just getting to that kyle.. oh well. i wanna see freedom and foothill play
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
phs
Your math is off. the 5 teams freedom faced prior to Deer Valley and a combined 27 losses. check the states man. numbers don’t lie. They just get manipulated.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
He meant if they played Pitts schedule…
I think Freedom and Foothill play in the quarters.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
freedom beat DV which beat SHC as well. Freedom’s offense is nice but they have too many 2 way starters
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:54 pm
which would really cost them against Foothill.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
We’re getting to a point now where we’ll go in circles with that stuff.
Freedom beat DV who beat SHC who beat VC who beat Serra who beat Bellarmire etc…
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Foothill has a lot of two way guys though too.
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Kyle – a quick question: Why do you think there are so many more football posts here on the blog than on the Times message boards? It’s pretty much the same paper right?
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
it still would be a nice game.. haven’t seen an EBAL, BVAL playoff showdown that didn’t include pittsburg, so that would be a treat
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Hey Tony,
The only reason SRV’s offense started slow is because they couldn’t handle the Foothill pressure and Southwick was running all night. Sometimes a team is inept because the other team finds ways to neutralize them. By your definition, 2 weeks in a row SRV had a slow start..sorry…they were outlpayed by the opponents defensive lines in both games. On the other side of the ball the SRV defensive line couldn’t stop the rush on one side the entire game. The defense is the weak link at SRV this season (D Line). They let Cal handle the ball most of the game and let Foothill drive consistently all night. The Southwick factor keeps them in every game…but they also have the leading receiver in the EBAL and Top 3 in Bay Area in Bryce Peterson (1 more catch than the beloved Diante Jackson of Las Lomas). Against Foothill they hit him 3 times…he was open all night. Southwick didn’t get the ball there because of the pressure in his face.
Football realist…agreed on rankings (mostly except Freedom as well). They played against SRV last season and shouldn’t have been on the field. (I know last year doesn’t matter…Kyle…but you refer to past years in all of comparisons as well (see above).
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 am
because the CCT star are DLS’ personal publicists.. Every week its DLS this and that.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 am
staff*** not star my bad
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:01 am
you guys needa update the daylight savings on this site.. i thought it was past my bedtime
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:03 am
Yeah, we are the same paper… I actually work at a Times office.
All the blog stuff we all pretty much do on our free time (I’m obviously not on the clock at 11 pm on a Sunday night) and we like to get a lot discussion going on Prep Corner.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 am
Follower- For seeding purposes, you can’t look at last year. And that’s what I did above. Its strictly a prediction of how I think the NCS committee will seed the teams, not my personal rankings of them.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:06 am
Amador…are you kidding they are horrible. SRV blew them out and removed all starters after first series of the 3rd quarter.
These games are all about matchups. DeLaSalle (speed) runs over foothill, SRV (a throwing team ) is defended well by Foothill, Cal a big team controls the small D Line of SRV and keeps their offense off the field, Foothill shuts down Zwarg/Stompro and focuses on their only real player, Leroy. Bottom line is the EBAL has more depth and is more multidimensional than most of the other leagues. Typically, the EBAL teams have 25% more players on the squad and don’t generally have as many 2 way starters as most other teams they face.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:08 am
True that, Kyle. We’re here for our readers. As long as there’s something to discuss, we’ll blog about it.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:08 am
I am loving this discussion … keep it going.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:08 am
haha gotta love how three of our writers are logged on past 11 pm on a Sunday!!
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:09 am
Pittsburg doesn’t have any 2 way starters. They should join the EBAL
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:10 am
I don’t sleep!
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:10 am
Since everyone is here it seems….we will be blogging the seeding meeting live and be doing a live streaming video taking questions from the blog and phone calls!!! It’s going to be a great Sunday. We should be able to get interviews from coaches, too.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:11 am
No two-way guys?
That’s so rare in HS football. Gotta think Patterson and his 4.3 speed would do really well in the slot.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 am
PHS,
Let’s start a super league: DLS, Monte Vista (Bergman runs a great ship), Foothill (Sweeney is loving this one), Pittsburg (solid program year in and year out), James Logan (there will be better years), Berkeley (3k students should bring in some talent), Cal (as long as Sanchez is coaching), San Leandro (let’s hope it gets better soon)
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 am
Berkeley would never make the playoffs.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 am
yowwwwwwwwww. league play would be the playoffs
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 am
No SRV? Ouch!
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 am
Patterson gets spot time but he isn’t a starter.. galli only really has one toss play. everything else does nothin to take advantage of pittsburgs speed..
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 am
Why does Pitt keep Galli when I hear nothing but complaints about how he doesn’t coach up their talent?
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 am
Galli has brought money, lots of it to the program.. and he’s italian. Pittsburg has a bunch of italin roots.. He actually is just conservative now at least.. i would be too if the kids drop 6 passes a game..
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 am
All this who is better from league to league, come on 3 writers up past 11, go back to the facts on W-L, the best indicator of strength, really. EBAL 18 wins non-league, 6 losses – was it Livermore 3 losses (winless team), 1 Amador loss to Freedom, 1 loss by Cal in WA state, and 1 loss by DLS to Bosco? What else do you need to know? So, Kyle is correct, if Granada ends up 5-5 due to EBAL losses, who can claim they aren’t as good as Logan/Newark/CP with lesser opponent records? Strength of schedule ought to count, obviously-and league strength can be measured more objectively to figure that out.
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 am
Freedom is the real deal. The Falcons will advance in playoffs and could threaten to get to the title game. They are the best team seeds 5 thru 12. It’s too bad the Falcons didn’t see a team like Pitt on their preseason schedule that’s what cost them.
If the Falcons can quickly put the loss behind them, Could build some serious momentum. The Heritage Patriots are in major touble now that Falcons are forced into making a statement to the NCS. This weeks game could be ugly.
Ryan Rodriguez is special and is the best combination of run and pass in the NCS. Cameron Gupton, Cody Peebles and Roman Runner deadly weapons and should be a huge headache for any D coordinator to stop.
There is still alot of football to be played and the seeds can shift. Watch out for Freedom.
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:44 am
Hey Sunshine don’t sweat it. There is nothing wrong with your philosophy. You should want a college scholorship for your son and it should be first on your agenda. Last I checked scholorships are offered based on performance. If a player is offered a free ride he is earning it first in the classroom and then on the field. I’m certain that the Jackets are a better team with Sunshine’s son than without.
Also lighten up on coach Galli who has done a fine job at Pitt. He’s in the playoffs every year and Pittsburg’s football program has never been in a better state. Pirates Stadium is the best in the area and Pitt has a state of the art training facility which is in the process of being renovated. Galli is a master motivator and innovator. Through great fund-raising and donations Galli has provided all the best for his program.
Although there have been a few local teams that have beaten him, DLS have been his main thorn. Without them he would have been an NCS champ several times over. The reality is DLS does exhist.This year Pitt can beat DLS. They just have to beleive. This could be the year the Pirates turn the corner on the Spartans. The Pirates are not on a current six game winning streak because of their good looks, they can play.
As far as the DLS recruiting talk well, it is just that talk.The DLS football camp is one of the biggest in the state with over 300 kids participating. 80-90% of those kids have dreams of playing for the Spartans and will apply. There is registration paperwork at camp for the parents. The kids apply like all the others and if they meet the criteria they can be accepted. DLS has something good going alot of kids want to be part of it.
November 3rd, 2008 at 4:49 am
BOTTOM LINE BERKELEY COULD NOT CARRY PITTSBURG’S JOCK-STRAP. Last I saw the Jackets Pittsburg was running all over them on KTVU ch.2. You really don’t want any part of the Pirates right now. They are even better than the team that tossed you by 3 TDs in September. Your team can come into Pirates Stadium if you want but, the results will be the same if not worse. Period!
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:20 am
Steve R. Waterhouse- I like your idea of a super league. I’ve proposed it several times. I figure that the top teams in the east bay , say 8 teams could join a league in which the bottom three would be kicked out each year to keep the league fresh.
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:54 am
KYLE,
You are entitled to your opinion, but why do you post negative things about Berkeley? Maybe, you should give Coach Carter some tips.
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:29 am
So who do you think Washington go against in the playoffs?
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:25 am
I agree…I still can not believe NCS has not woken up and created a Super League like CCS and others. DLS is a private school and with past history obviously in…Berkeley, Logan, Deer Valley should automatically be in based on enrollment. I mean they double other Division 1 teams enrollment, hardly an even playing field. I still do not know why we allow such a large difference in enrollment sizes for divison 1. In my opinion ALL private schools that issue scholarships should be placed in the upper division unless they do not rank high enough each year to qualify then they can be moved down. Yes I like the idea of top 5 teams qualify and then the winner and runner up of division 1 section must move up each year to the super league if they then do not qualify as a top team then they can be sent back down the following year. In my opinion it makes the open division very competitve with only the very best trying to take DLS out each year. Then the Div 1 is still very cometitive (obviously don’t need 12 teams anymore though, drop it to 8 or even 6 that way it is still not diluted from having all quality teams)
No doubt CCS has the best playoff model. The private schools are up against each other every year making it very competitive and top teams always. Without having an private school in NCS that competes with DLS I think the open division would be the best thing for our section thus allowing more opportunities for other teams to reach a state playoff game.
I still believe there should be a completely separate playoff format for Public and Private schools to even the playing field. They can be in same league but for playoffs purposes they have their own playoff format. Again I will say it again and DLS supporters can argue all you want. If DLS was in the san jose catholic league with all those private schools they would have been beaten many more times over the years. DLS has the best coaching in bay area but when you can pull athletes without any regard to boundaries as they do in Southern Calif it just isn’t the same. If you can honestly tell me it isn’t advantage then I feel sorry for you. Think about if DLS had to pull only from their concord area…All those Richmond, Pittsburgh, DAnville, San Ramon, Pleasanton players back at own schools…DLS would have a very tough time winning an NCS title, even with how great their coaching is. Why do you think just about every state and national ranked team is a private school?
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:36 am
Here is my divison 1 playoff picture…
#1 DLS
#2 MV
#3 Pitt
These are in stone, even if MV drops one of last games in my opinion.
#4 Foothill – more quality wins than freedom and berkeley, everyone has a bad game as they did against DLS, and freedom and berkely v pitt…but quality wins puts them in ahead of them.
#5 Freedom – comparable loss…but more quality wins..only thing I could see berkeley getting nod is bc divison winner and beat logan by comparable score as well…but in my opinion strength of schedule wins out.
#6 Berkeley – divison winner and likely 2-3 games better than next teams, can’t diss them that much.
#7 Cal – beat SL and SRV so this is a no brainer
#8 SRV – beat SL so get higher spot but really irrelvant since they will play each other, and SL still gets home game no matter what bc divison winner.
#9 SL
#10 Deer Valley – beat SHP, Wash, Logan…but losing to Pitt and Freeom keeps them down here.
#11 Washington – Could be higher but lost to DV and SRV so can’t put them above those teams even if league winner.
#12 Logan – I believe even if antioch qualifies they wouldn’t get in. I think foothill and cal beat AV and granada so they won’t qualify otherwise i believe EBAL gets this last spot. Newark probably finishes 7-3 and beat CP which knock CP out of playoff picture, plus how bad they are playing of late can’t help. Logan beat Newark fairly handly so I think you got to give the better team the nod. Played foothill, DV, Berkeley, Washington down to the wire (ALL playoff teams), MV only blow out but 1st game of year and 2nd seed so no shame there. Newark lost convinvingly to wash, logan, and milpitas. Can’t put the 3rd place finisher in MVAL in playoffs no matter what.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
With injuries mounting, Freedom and other teams, how important is that seedings/playoffs bye in the first round? More time to heal, and prepare, but question, can a week with no game hurt how sharp they could be in next game?
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am
By the way, what is scoop on Thursday game – DLS at SRV, is that on TV? Southwick vs. DLS defense: can’t miss that one!
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 am
hey eastbayscout
dls now giving “scholarships” to Australian basketball players, South African golfers, Kenyan distance runners, Japanese baseball players, and Russian tennis players.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Jack- I haven’t said anything negative about Berkeley. I think Coach Carter is doing a good job turning the program around. All I’m saying is it’s premature to mention Berkeley with the area’s top teams when Berkeley hasn’t won a playoff game in over a decade and doesn’t have any impressive wins so far this year.
Scout-I don’t think SL can be ahead of DV in a seeding situation. SL’s only D-1 wins will be against Castro Valley and Mt. Eden (which are a combined 3-13 right now). Their rallying cry will be the O’Dowd win but it doesn’t stack up against DV’s wins: Deer Valley will come in with wins against Washington (League champ) and Logan (will be at the meeting), plus important wins against SHC and Campo (likely Heritage and you can even throw Antioch/Liberty in there bc they are D-1. Now if DV drops one of its last two then we have something to talk about.
As for Logan getting in. No doubt its the better team and I think they should be in, but I don’t know if the committee will be able to see past the records.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
AJ what constitutes recruiting to you/DLS?
If looking for the best players in the area, inviting them to camps, and giving them scholarships to come DLS doesn’t constitute recruiting then I don’t know what does…..
Is there anything more a school can do to recruit a player? I think not considering this is EXACTLY WHAT COLLEGES DO TO RECRUIT PLAYERS. There is no difference between DLS and say USC. Please prove me wrong
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
While I would love to see De La Salle get beat by someone locally, I will be the first to say, there is no way they recruit. Be serious, they don’t need to. The program speaks for itself and can you blame them for taking the athletes which come their way? No school in the area would turn down the players in the same circumstance. Those who think they recruit are out of it….success breeds quality athletes — other schools are catching up, but the Spartans are still alone on top of the mountain.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
EBAL Player — they are no different than anyone else locally who has summer camps. I see kids from all over attend football camps at the other EBAL schools. If it was so obvious they recruit, as you state, then NCS, even as weak as they are, would have dropped the hammer. Stop whining and start working harder if you want to play with DLS. The coaches in the EBAL make no excuses for losing to De La Salle, but rather use it as incentive to drive their programs.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
i agree i do not think they recruit really ANYMORE. They have a name and if my kid were good enough I would absolutely take a scholarship, but I think before they got to be DLS they probably did a little bit. Attending the pop warner games in the area and such. But really that is not my real issue…
My issue is that they can pull from anywhere they want and they can offer those kids scholarships. That is what I believe is unfair. No other high school in NCS can compete against that. SoCal and SJ have same type of teams, but the difference is there are more of those private schools to compete against. O’Dowd and Newman are the only other decent private schools in NCS. But they does not even compare to all the other private schools down south and in sj area. this is where DLS has been able to become DLS. They have unbelievable coaching and have had some great teams, BUT I do not believe there recognition on the national level would be anywhere near where it is today without this advantage. i love that dls is in our area, bc people all over the nation say oh u live where that DLS team is from. but at the same time for public schools to consistently compete against that is absurd.
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Kyle,
I agree DV and SL could flip flop, just giving the edge to SL because they won their league and DV is gonna finish in 3rd place. but they could sneak ahead of them. although probably irrelevant, play cal or play srv, you want the defensive team or offensive team take your pick. i guess at least the #10 team gets to avoid dls in 2nd round, so DV would probably gladly take the 10 seed anyways probably an overall better seed. I think think they would matchup better against CAL in a very physical defensive game. but those two could go either way.
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Kyle,
I think that #12 seed will come down to coaches rating…and in my opinion most teams will probably throw logan up there higher if they play it legit, but because a better team some of those teams may put newark up their bc an easier win. it is gonna be very hard to distinguish the three, i definately could see them just saying ok we will take newark because they have the better record. i just don’t see any scenario of cp getting in though, bc of the loss to newark and now at best 6-4. logan would prob like to see cp drop another to take them right out of the argument so it is just them vs. newark. newark still got one tough one left in kennedy though, newark barely beat irvington and kennedy beat irvington.
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
EB scout — why is it that they only continually dominate in football? They are among the elite in basketball, baseball, soccer, etc., but you can only pencil them into the title in football every year. It’s the coaching, plain and simple. As for attending Pop Warner games, or other junior events, every program has people who do that for their schools, usually unofficially.
You’ve got the SRV T-Birds in Danville, the San Ramon Bears in San Ramon and PJFL in Pleasanton. I am out on those fields every Saturday and people are always talking to the 7th and 8th grade kids about going to Amador or Foothill. Even the kids from San Ramon who play in Pleasanton are approached about the Pleasanton schools. It’s not any representative from the schools mind you, but rather parents.
I was even approached by people from other schools outside the EBAL about some of the players I coach this year. Crazy stuff.
It’s the same with AAU basketball or junior baseball, soccer and lacrosse.
Everyone does it, it’s just that De La Salle has the most attractive program to entice kids.
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
b-high barely beat logan 13-9. #6 seed to high. there hope’n 4 washington besides that i dont see them beating anyone else.
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm
man-o-war,
yes the SRV/DLS game is going to be on TV. It is the game of the week on Comcast SportsNet California.
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
amador for ncs bid! they have gotten screwed past couple years. they have been strong second half.. they beat montevista or foothill u throw them in
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:40 pm
You guys are splitting hairs by saying which league is better EBAL BVAL. This team played that team better than this team did. You guys kill me. At the end of the day this is a three team race 2 EBAL (DLS & MV) and 1 BVAL(Pitt) team. These teams are clearly the best in the North Coast and outside of Freedom will cutting down the nets next month. Which one it’s hard to say still early. DLS still has SRV and Cal to play. Monte Vista has SRV next Week. Pitt has Liberty who ambushed them three years ago and then travel to Antioch. Antioch deliberately soaked their field during the rain to try to slow down the Pirastes and lost in OT after blowing a two touchdown lead.
I told you all what would happen in the Freedom-Pitt game. Total Destruction. I said Pitt by at least two TDs and they doubled that. The Falcons ran into an orange and black buzzsaw and never had a chance. As the Pirates announcer says. ” The Leagues Finest Venue”. It truly was with the band, the crowd and then the rain the place was on fire! Also in a move of total disrespect the Falcons had to be told move off the field as the Marching Band Seniors were announced.
Freedom then had the audacity to warm up while the band was playing repeatedly punting footballs thruogh their formations. The Pitt players and coaches noticed it. Although nothing was said, it fired up Pirates and they took it out on the Falcons. Without a few penalties Pitt could have scored 60 and resembled Usain Bolt coasting through the tape. Sportmanship then provailed as the Pirates let off the gas midway through the third quarter.
To all the Freedom fans continue to support your team, you have a good one. Also, a word of advice, don’t stir up your opponent in their house right before a big game
November 3rd, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Donfan- If Amador wins either of its next two games, it will probably get in. I don’t see it happening with Monte Vista and Foothill being the teams its up against, but I won’t count your Dons out just yet!
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 pm
kyle
do a little research about b-high
and its tradition in ncs play (go to the nsc web site) then look at b-high’s 1st rd. draw the last decade, dala dala dala. why?
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I did do the research. I looked at every single NCS bracket on the NCS website, none of them have Berkeley winning a game.
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
And in case you wanted to know, last year was the first time Berkeley played DLS in NCS in the past decade.
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Hey I was bein a little snoopy today and was looking at my older bro’s newspaper clippings for ’92 and ’93. Found out something interesting.. There one upon a time was a league that included DLS, MV, PITT, BERKELEY, PINOLE VALLEY,ANTIOCH and LIBERTY. I wouldnt call it a super league but i heard it was very competitive.. i think MV and LIBERTY were the worse schools..
I wish the teams traveleled now like they did back then.. When i was like 8 or 9 i went to a game where PITT played Cardinal Newman.. what happened to the playoff scenarios like that??
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
kyle: as we know. the foothill amador games are always close. no matter what. they could pull it out. lets hope. go dons or go home
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:38 pm
If we’re looking ahead, let’s hope the news media covers all these last rivalry games with LOTS of coverage here, pre- and post-game, in the papers, blogs, and Prep Corner Live!’s, complete with match-ups to watch for, critiques of offense/defense/special teams/coaching, summaries, box scores, everything -make those boys work, they’re having too much fun I heard.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
SRV is getting the shaft here. They are better than the record they have posted. Southwick is good, yes…But weapons like TRIMBLE gruendl and peterson around him on offense make him even better. The defense has a weak cast but has two strong players in the Returning Linebacker Goodman and the safety. I feel they can pul out monte vista and give DE LA a run for their money
November 6th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Well Ryan, SRV has everything right in front of them…two straight losses, with two even tougher games left….two more losses and they are fifth place in the EBAL and way down in that shaft….BUT, play well tonight, then beat MV and they lifeline will be there for them climb out of the hole they have dug.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
SRV should have an additional loss to San Leandro. Trimble fumbled on their last drive with SL recovering but the officials didn’t call it.If the correct call had been made SRV would’nt even be in the D1 playoff discussion.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Assuming that they lose to DLS and MV of course.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:22 am
I understand coach Lad IS undoubtedly the best coach in the area, and i also agree that success breeds quality athletes. BUT the difference between DLS and all the other east bay teams is when other schools recruit who does it? PARENTS
But when DLS does it who is it?STAFF OF DLS FOOTBALL
Thats how it is, and i guess if you don’t consider it recruiting then we have different definitions of it but it’s clear as air to me. and i don’t even want to get into the scholarship thing …… but DLS says if you prove they recruit they’ll pay u…… well wheres the checkbook cuz i just did
November 7th, 2008 at 9:57 am
OK Ebalplayer, let me see, because you say they recruit, then it must be true? Where is your proof, other than, yo I said it so it must be true?
Document it, then ask for the checkbook. The coaches do not go out and recruit – they know people would love nothing more than to bust them for that, so why take the chance?
They have better players plain and simple, that lineup to get to the school. Their receivers can catch the ball, which is a lot more than I can so for San Ramon Valley.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Ryan,
Where’s the San Ramon patter now? Trimble — he couldn’t stay on his feet last night with no one around him….and the receivers? Pathetic.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:06 am
DLS prolly would had scored more but they put in there 5th string.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:53 am
EBAL Should Ask DLS to play as a Independent in Football Unless NCS lets all EBAL teams have Open enrollment or No Boundaries like DLS has, until then it will always be unfair to ALL EBAL teams.
Imagine Monte Vista, SRV, Foothill & Cal merging to make up ONE Team, wow that would be a pretty good team.
Watching K. Butler for DLS last night brought back memories of him his Midget year of youth football playing for Deer Valley where he lived and thinking to myself, WOW Deer Valley is sure getting a stud Football player !!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Nah NorCal, leave like it is…let the Spartans stay in as is…you will see DLS lose in EBAL play within the next two seasons. So much of the issue is the aura of DLS — have the kids play freshman and JV against them, then when they get to Varsity, some of the luster is gone and they will get after.
Is Greg Papa the worst high school football announcer of all time (I know how many have there been). Pawlawski is by far better. Papa calling SRV’s field “astro-turf” was classic. Guess his brain is dead from all those Raiders games.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
ok heres an example for all of u DLS preachers.
so a couple of years ago i was playing PJFL in pleasanton wen the season starts and 2 of the players on my team (going to amador, foothill, mv, ect. the next years) were supposedly being looked at and scouted by DLS on my team got injured and then didnt get into DLS when they applied there instead of getting scholarships.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:39 am
San Ramon Valley just beat Monte Vista 26-7. Shakes up the playoff race for sure.