- East Bay Prep Corner
Grant answers all critics
By Jimmy Durkin
Sunday, December 21st, 2008 at 12:16 am in Uncategorized.
Well, anybody who questioned Grant as the Open Division selection for the CIF state championship bowl game doesn’t have anything to say now. Grant proved it deserved that spot ahead of De La Salle and congrats to the Pacers on their victory. And thank goodness that NorCal didn’t get swept. That would’ve been embarassing.
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December 21st, 2008 at 1:18 am
Grant is the best team in No. Cal. 2008, but I believe Centennial is the best team in the state.
December 21st, 2008 at 3:59 am
centennial beats both poly and grant by at least 2 TD’s…i guess CIF has its own version of the BCS. Grant and Poly had very average offenses for state winners…no doubt a ton of talent and solid on defense, but neither team looked very crisp. i still believe dls beats both, but congrats to Grant they did shut up the critics. at least we have one the BIGGEST game in norcal in two straight years. so i guess our best are still better than their best, but our quality of lower divisions are not the same. good showing by st mary’s though. very very impressed with their QB, only southwick was even close to this guy. both will be solid college qb’s.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:43 am
To say DLS “still beats Grant” just shows the BLIND FAITH in that squad. I agree Centennial may be better than Grant, but you are kidding yourself to think at the VERY LEAST a Grant v DLS would be a good one. But if you are being honest and laying TRUE ODDS…Grant would be the favorite.
For the record, Grants 2006 team was better than the team you saw play last night, and dare I say the 06 DLS team looked eerily similar to the team DLS put on the field Friday night.
DLS is still the Gold Standard for Nor Cal football, but show some class and allow Grant their moment without your “DLS still beats them” jab.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:01 am
After watching all four teams this weekend, I believe the CIF got it right. I’ve watched DLS for over 10 years but this Grant team would have put it on them. We may never know about Centennial vs. Grant, but I would give the edge to Grant. They had the size and speed of a D-1 College team. The defense was highly underrated. Except for 1 break out run, they shutdown Poly and would have shutdown mostly any team.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:35 am
Ok,i am not a DLS fan. Grant winning is great for Nor Cal. Absolutlet great. Football is about Match-ups. I think Centennial is the best team in the state because they are athletic and more crisp than Poly or Grant. I think Grant’s athleticism gives Centennial a better game than DLS’s execution did. But i believe after wathing these 4 teams play, that DLS would be beat both Poly and Grant. Poly and Grant are both obviously as athletic as Centinnial. But they are nuch looser in their execution than Centennial. In Centennial, DLS ran into a more athletice version of themselves. Again, this is not intended to a disrespectful piece to anyone, just an opinion. A good example as a point of reference on a local scale, is CAL, Foothill and DLS. Foothill beat Cal and got hammered by DLS. Yet Cal matched up much better than FHS did againts DLS.
Anyway, it was a great high school season, thanks for the memories to all the boys who suited up, I won’t long forget, Freedoms, Roman Runner, DLS outstanding back’s balance, Encinal’s Josh Brown, Grants perseverance and Southwick’s gun slinger highlights! Merry Christmas everyone. Thanks to the staff at the Times for creating an opportunity for us to particpate our thoughts and covering another great year of Nor Cal football!
December 21st, 2008 at 11:47 am
Some of you guys are delusional. Did you guys noticed that Poly had no trouble beating Miami-Northwestern
29-7 earlier this year? MIAMI-NORTHWESTERN! They were the number 1 ranked team in the country last year and this year went all the way to their state championship in Florida before losing. And Poly completely shut them out. No disrespect to DLS or Centennial but I doubt it is a foregone conclusion they would have beaten Poly. Give Grant alot of credit. They were highly underrated and proved they are one of the best teams in the state and in the country.
December 21st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
DLS does not beat any of the top three teams; Centennial, Grant, or Poly. Centennial gets my edge because of it’s crisp play at every aspect of the game. Centennial had the best quarterback in D1 (Martinez) and the best defensive player (middle linebacker). They are well coached and I agree with those who said they could have beat DLS last year but they ran out of time.
December 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Big difference between this year’s Miami Northwestern team and last year’s. They had to replace 11 guys who went D-I and several others who could have, but went JC.
December 21st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Grant is the best in Nor Cal and DLS needs to start playing Nor cal teams outside the Bay area. A few teams in Sac area would give them fits.Grant would beat them!
December 21st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
The best way for DLS to prove that they are indeed better then Grant is simple: PLAY THEM. Grant has tried to schedule DLS for years and DLS are the ones avoiding the matchup.
All these speculations that start with: “Well I watched both of them play and I think DLS is better” is MEANINGLESS. Alot of people watched Grant and Poly played too and thought Poly was head and shoulders better then Grant. Well guess again.
December 21st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Kyle
I am well aware that Marcus Forston, Aldarius Johnson and all the other blue chippers from last year’s Miami Northwestern have graduated. But this year’s team still went to one of the State Championship finals in Florida. That is no small feat in a state that is as talent rich in football prospects as Florida. And Poly went to Florida to play them at their home and completely thumped them. There is a reason some press had Poly ranked as the second best team in the country before this last game.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Grant is very deserving of what they accomplished, not saying otherwise, but watching them, they played an imgae of themselves last night, heck DLS beats Centennial if you have a different quarterback at Centennial. DLS had no answer for Centenial’s more sophisticated passing attack. Martinez was the difference even in light of the talent level difference. I beleive DLS would beat Grant because until you play them, you don’t understand how good their execution is. I said before, i could care less about DLS or Grant personally. Grant deserves all the props in the world, they created their chance and they took it to a very good Poly team. I just believe DLS’s execution the first time they play will be the difference. Grant’s passing game and kicking game would be their achilles heel against DLS. Please Grant supporters, this is not meant to be disrespectful in any way. You guys walked off the field as State Champs and really opinions to the contrary are just that. You have scoreboard!
December 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Amazing how people still say DLS is the best team in Nor Cal. Why don’t you just say that DLS is the best team in the state still. Grant showed that their program is legit.. I’ve heard the same thing about DLS avoiding a meeting with them in the regular season. They would rather lose to a team from out of state so they can tell people that they are the best team in Nor Cal… Grant showed this weekend that they are the class of Nor Cal for 2008!!! It’s also senseless to try to say that Centennial is better than Poly.
December 21st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Great game with Grant and Poly, but I thought the best game of the five was the D-II game with the incredible performances from Vaz for St. Mary’s and the the frigging machine running back from Cathedral Catholic…What a game and what a performance.
December 21st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Congrats to Grant for beating Poly in what could only be termed a “slugfest!” I wasn’t able to watch it but would love to do so on a rebroadcast. Any suggestions on where it would play? My reflections on this weekend’s games would be summarized in this manner: the better teams on those nights won. How could you not be impressed by the speedy and accurate game played by Taylor Martinez of Centennial? The beast they call Vontaze was just that. DLS is good but didn’t bring their best game that night, too many penalties on offense and no really big offensive plays like they’d pulled off all year. LBP and Grant had their share of mistakes as well and frankly surprised me how many they made as well. It seemed like any momment the other team could have pushed way ahead but simply stopped themselves with errors. It was a very evenly matched contest with similar teams just wailing on each other. I do agree with the previous blogger that Centennial looked the sharpest with the best execution in total for the weekend. Again, congrats to Grant and their program. They will move way up on the list now and are a team to be respected. I’d love to see a match between them and DLS or Centennial.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I’ve watched several DLS games over the last several years. I don’t believe that this year’s DLS team could beat either Grant, Poly or Centennial. Those three teams have to much team speed for DLS on both sides of the ball. DLS was only able to put together one drive for a TD in the Centennial game because the speed and power of Centennial defense was to much for DLS. It would be the same case with Poly or Grant.
Other teams have now figured out DLS interms of weigth lifting and conditioning. Other team are doing the same things as DLS but with bigger, stronger and much faster players.
DLS also need to include a passing system into their game plan. Their was no space for the running backs to roam against the Centennial defense. They were just tom fast.
December 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Jason- Totally agree with you. Just pointing out the Northwestern team from last year was a once-in-a-decade type team from a talent perspective. But as you said, 2nd in the state of Florida shows they have reloaded and such a one-sided game was impressive for Poly.
December 21st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Look I am a DLS alum and supporter and I said that Grant matched up very well with Poly. I thought they had a shot and they took it. What we saw this weekend in the Open and DI games were four very high quality teams who left it all on the field. At this point to say that one would beat the other because of this is a matter of speculation. DLS has an execution that Grant probably hasn’t seen and Grant has an athleticism that this year’s DLS team didn’t see until CC. I didn’t see the Poly-Grant game, but DLS definitely did not play their best offensive football of the season. Part of that was the athleticism of CC but in that first half there were a lot of non-DLS type mistakes. Yet they were very close in that game. Not too mention a lot of people felt this year’s CC team was better than last years and this years DLS team was definitely not as good as last years. But they didn’t come off the field with the W. Grant did. They deserve all the props in the world. And yes this is a game that needs to happen. But to say that DLS is ducking Grant is false and it pisses me off to continue to hear this. They have never ducked anyone and will never duck anyone. I have all the respect in world for Grant and have never dissed them or their program but I don’t understand why you keep talking about 2006. Maybe that was your best team ever. But when you guys keep talking about how DLS fans shouldn’t talk about if they would beat this years Grant team then why do you guys keep talking about Grant beating DLS 06 team. They never played so we will never know. Grant is an outstanding program and I’m glad So-Cal will believe that their is more to NorCal football than DLS. But please enjoy your victory and stop with the rumors. Let things play out on the field and leave it at that. Congrats Coach A and the Pacers an excellent season and hopefully a matchup of these two outstanding programs will happen in the not too distant future.
December 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Great game Grant!!! The pacers are the Kings of Cali in Football, Nuff said.
December 21st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
DLS and Grant should play. There’s no reason why two teams that are 1 hour bus rides from each other somehow can’t schedule a home and home series. DLS has no problems travelling to New Jersey and Ohio for games so I can’t understand what the issue is.
December 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Plain and simple: DLS doesn’t want to lose to an in-state team like Grant. Unless I hear a better reason that’s the only legit one there is..
December 21st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
EBAL Fan–St Mary’s has a great offence, but only average defense. Last year Napa High beat them by 2 for SJS champ. Same team basicly only missing a couple players from last year on offence. Defense didn’t shore up from 07. SM can outscore alot of people, but when they come up against a stong OLine like SB or Bellarmine they are gonna get beat. Napa is also the last D1 team to beat Grant(9-1) in playoffs 2004. Grant has been D2 since. ANY Top 10 SJS section team could compete with any Top 10 Bay Area Team and win 50 percent of the time now..
December 21st, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I know everyone wants to praise DLS however there is no way they beat Grant. DLS has to few athletes on this years team. Grant is more physical than Don Bosco and has more team speed. For those of you who think Centennial beats Grant think again. Grant has hitters in the secondary as well as cover men. While DLS may execute as we have seen the past few years their execution is not what is was in the past. They are not crisp which is why teams like Serra (Pat Walsh) challenged them. I think you could make the DLS/Grant game an ESPN game and it would sell out any venue. However let’s be realistic DLS would not play Grant in Sac because the environment would be to hostile for them. Hey if you don’t play Grant play Granite Bay it’s a nice school with a nice stadium in the suburbs.
December 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 am
DLS doesn’t want to lose to an in-state team? I think you might want to look at the where the two teams they played at the beginning of the season are located. Maybe you should look at the fact that they only play one out of state team a year. I know the Pacers had a great season this year but why did they choose to play more out of state teams then DLS did? Please stop thinking that DLS ducks people. Doesn’t happen. It’s too bad that some people decide to bring down a program that so many strive to be like.
December 22nd, 2008 at 3:37 am
Renegades10
I’m still waiting for your explanation for why DLS and Grant can’t schedule a home and home despite being only 1 hour away from each other. But its not hard at all for DLS to fly all the way to New Jersery to play Don Bosco. Unless you want to insinuate that it was Grant who was avoiding DLS (a claim no one outside of Concord would believe), there’s no reason that this hasn’t happen other then DLS has avoided it.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:17 am
Got a better plain and simple for you chieftan; People hate De La Salle’s success. People want to see DLS fail. People can’t wait to hear that they too are capable of losing. What is Grant? A football team that matches up amongst the elite teams in the state. But more importantly, not De La Salle. Not the same team that beats up on programs year after year after year after year after year etc for 30 years. I’m not taking away anything from this stellar program, but I think people are just happy to have a new king of the mountain.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 am
Renegades10 can you handle the truth? The Sacramento Bee did an article detailing the attempt to put Grant and DLS together. According to the Sac Bee. DLS wanted something different from the standard gate split and only wanted to play Grant during it’s rebuilding years. This blog and response came after the article. If you want the actual article that came before this blog, and response, go to the Sac Bee website and do some work/research. Truth isn’t easy to get.
Go to: http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/preps/archives/2007_09.html
Read the reporters response to the question and then engage the reporters (Bill Patterson, Davidson etc…)
They love talking Grant football. After they destroy your world, come back to this blog, and admit how DLS picks and choses who, when and where they play. There’s nothing wrong with this. It takes some serious thinking and planning to build a Rep. It doesn’t happen by accident. But, they do dictate terms!
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 am
congrats to grant, they played a great game and represented norcal well, but….
i am not a dls fan by no means, but there execution would have beaten grant. other than stop and go after stop and go, grant’s offense is very average. they had one great WR. there QB was very average and there best run game was QB sneaks. Centennial was loaded across the board. hands down the best QB in d1 and open games, best RB IMO, and 2 legit WR’s. Not to mention a DL that controlled the greatest run offense of this decade and a LB that is 2nd to none (maybe only DLS DJ was better in california over past 20 ys.) DLS to be honest got lucky to even stay in the game i believe. centennial executed very very well for an athletic team(typically a lot of me first attitudes on teams this talented) and I was extremely impressed.
grant is a great team again and would love to see them play DLS, but i just dont see them beating DLS. DLS has lost to ONE TYPE of team over past decade. A team that is more superiour in talent and just as good at execution. Which is why all the talented teams at Poly could never beat DLS, because they don’t execute the same way. Centennial was far superior in talent and matched there execution all game long.
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Eastbayscout
Your post reeks of pompous and arrogance. An undefeated team cannot possibly beat a TWO LOSS team? A team that just beat another undefeated team?? Give me a break.
Its funny that you talk about execution. Grant is the team that is 14-0 and undefeated while DLS has two losses and you say Grant can’t execute. I’ve got news for you. Teams that don’t execute well don’t have perfect seasons and beat the likes of Poly. Unless you’re gonna say Grant’s talent was head and shoulders above everybody else they played, which is blatantly not true. If you look at Grant’s roster, most of their players are barely being recruited by Div 1 schools. Grant certainly had talented players in the past but this year’s team isn’t one of them.
Look DLS has a great HISTORY. But you know what, history is well history. Too many people are judging DLS based on what they have accomplished in the past and not what they actually are at the present. If you really take a hard unbiased look at what DLS is this season, they are a good team but hardly the invincible teams of the past. There are no DJ Williams, Maurice Drew, or Cam Colvin but observers still think in the back of their minds that DLS still have those type of players.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
dear east bay scout: Firts of all D J williams the “best LB in the past 20 years” is a grant high school product. his father went to grant. Just so happens his mom worked in the bay so he was “recruited” to DLS. his brother worrell williams a stand out LB at Cal is from grant. Now for yout dls execusion claims. Teams generaly don’t execute as well when they are physically getting beat. if your guy can’t block their guy then you will not execute. if your receiver can’t get open cause he is being covered then you can’t execute. if you cant run the ball because you are aren’t in control of the line of scrimage then you can’t execute. A team can only execute when they are able to control the things they do on their terms. dls didnt execute on 4th downs when they needed to specially at the end. Part of that reason was because their players were constantly false starting when it counted. I was at the dls vs. pittsburg game. None of those false starts were happening then cause they were exucuting cause they could. Exucuting means only one thing sir: do what you set out to do. if you do that then you executed your game plan.
So now lets talk about that other game. Poly had what was described as the best def in the state. Thats how they beat people. other teams can’t execute against them. news flash!! Grant executed when they had to. dls didn’t. to say that Grant’s best run play was a qb sneak is jus wrong. Their rb had well over 100 yards on like 22 carries. averaged about 5 yards per carry and a td against a poly defence that has deveral D1 recruits. oh and their average qb had well over 200 yards and 2 td’s throwing and one rushing. poly hasn’t given up 4 touchdowns in a game in years until sat night. grant didnt rretend to be a dazzling passing team. they did what they were good at. the physically controlled poly specially on the last scoring drive. And grants def executed what they wanted to do. They were bigger and faster that Poly’s offense accross the board. when poly ran wide there were multiple defenders in on the tackle not just one. from what I heard leading up to the game was poly had a pretty good running back. well he was held to just 0ver 70 yards in 20 something carries and 55 of those yards game on one play. a solid individual effort on his part for breaking a few tackles that had that play stopped for a loss. He had only 8 yards at the half. bottom line is Grant executed what they needed to do against the task at hand. that cent qb was great but would he be the same while he was running for his life from a hard hitting, huge and scary fast front 7 from grant and a very fast, hard hitting secondary for grant that made some very athletic int’s?? who knows. but grant executed for what they thought they were going to see from poly and won. dls knew what cent wanted to do with the spread offense and prob had a game plan for it but didn’t “or couldn’t” execute that plan to stop it or simply didnt have the atheletes for it. Grant executed a long scoring drive against a defense that was great from poly and won!!! period.
and did you really just say dls had the greatest running game of this decade this year???
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
All I heard from most of the content is De Lasalle is a better team then Grant.Well if thats the case tell tell De LaSalle coach to take off those yellow stripes and play Grant in a home/away series over the next two years.Settle the score or is Del Paso Heights a little to scary for your fans.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:29 pm
A Grant/De LaSalle match up would be good for Norcal football.A match made for espn.These two teams over the years have proven to be two class teams.Congrads to the Pacers and to De LaSalle its time for this match.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Jason, Bay Fan Who Knows, and KJ
1. DLS is not flying to New Jersey. There is no rematch happening next year and this year Don Bosco Prep came to California.
2. So those guys like talking Grant football. Well notice the words DLS “reportedly” wanted to split the gate. He says Coach A turned it down but nowhere is there a direct quote from Coach A saying that this was the case. If you have the link for the detailed article I would like to see it. I have yet to see an article with a direct quote from anyone affiliated with either program stating this as such. If an article did come out with solid facts then I would be shocked but admit that I was wrong. DLS has never requested this before against both out of state teams and in-state teams alike.
In terms of the games skipping a year, I will also answer this for you. In 2007, DLS was still independent when it came to football. This means they had five non-league games before having to play select schools from their former league. This year in 2008 they were put into the EBAL and everybody knew this was going to happen after the 2006 season. This meant that they went from five non-league games to three. Before the talks started DLS had already finalized contracts with Serra of San Mateo and Loyola of Los Angeles for both 2007 and 2008. This left them with one more spot for 2008 and at the time that talks occurred during the off-season DLS was also talking about the matchup with Don Bosco which had been in the works since 2003 when there were talks the two would meet after their playoffs had ended. I believe DLS had left a spot open for Grant in 2007 but when the talks broke down DLS filled them with Castlemont a school in Oakland who then backed out after the passing of their head coach which left DLS with one less game in 2007.
Now DLS does and has given preference to Catholic schools I will not deny that. But the amount of games they could play was reduced because they now had seven league games to play and they already had contracts to fulfill. Now just as Grant does, DLS schedules teams a couple of years in advance or at least agree to play them. Now for DLS at the time a matchup with Don Bosco was a much more high profile game as opposed to Grant plain and simple. I think we will see DLS-Grant happen much sooner now based on this year.
Now you haven’t answered my question as to why Grant played more out-of-state teams then DLS did. I know Alta was a home-and-home series but shoot Grant traveled farther than DLS did this year. And to Idaho. Where the team they played was compared by a former coach from the Bay Area to Las Lomas, a team that lost in the semi’s of DII NCS playoffs. A team that is not even top 25 in the Bay Area including the South Bay, East Bay, North Bay etc. There were not enough teams for them to play closer to home?
3. DLS scared to travel KJ? Scared to play in hostile environments? Now what makes Grant more hostile then other places? I’m intrigued by this thought. Please explain.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Brian
I really hope you put the word “recruited” in quotations to mean that you are not implying that DLS recruits. A matchup between the two schools would be highly entertaining. It is very easy to say that Grant is so much better than DLS right now based on the last games. Well what a lot of people will say about DLS is they sometimes don’t look impressive, but then you play against them and it is a different story. Speaking of athletic defenses if these two were to play next year DLS defense especially their front seven is going to be outstanding. They return their entire D-Line and they have a very special player by the name of Blake Renaud who will only be a junior next year leading the linebacker corps. I will say that for the teams to beat DLS, their qb has to have an outstanding game. Martinez and Longshore back in 2006 both played their best games of the season without a doubt. As someone said to beat DLS you have to execute very well. On occasion some of the teams do against DLS and they are the ones to win. But no one executes as consistently as DLS does and Grant cannot afford any miscues. DLS has had the best running game of this decade overall but yes this year was not one of them. The scary thing is DLS played a very talented CC team and played them close with just one DI recruit. Last year they only had two Amack who was a senior and Butler who was a junior. Imagine what they would do with just one more.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
There are a lot of sections in Socal… and the top teams from different sections always play eachother. They also play the top teams in the LA City section which is not part of the CIF… they do that knowing what type of impact it has when it comes to the playoffs, and now the state championships. This also takes care of the “what-ifs” and any other quetions or ill-stated opinions. So, the top teams in all the CIF Norcal sections should do the same and consistantly play eachother… there is more at stake now than just local bragging rights… there is the great opportunity to be a part of the best high school football experiences in all of the country. No matter what anybody says, California high school football is among the best in the country.
As for the Grant – Poly game… I wasn’t able to see any of it but I tought for sure that my Jack Rabbits were gonna get it done… a big congratulations to the Grant team for a great season and the same for the young men in the green and gold! All the teams in the state games deserve to hold their heads up high. Its been a long season and congratulations the players, coaches, families, and the communities that support these fine young men.
Until next year, I hope everyone has a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
HAAL: I totally agree. I myself sort of feel like DLS is like the NE patriots of last year, only they accomplish this much almost every year. They win so much it’s just sort of funny to see them lose every once in a while. My coaches always tell us stories about how they would beat DLS when they played in hs and the DLS program was still up and coming.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Renegades is right on some counts guys. It wasn’t too long ago that DLS went to Aloha Stadium for a game against Hawaiian powerhouse, St. Louis. It’s not a matter of “ducking” so much as it is probably a “falling out” over arrangements. Let’s give both of these teams more credit than that.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
12-22-08
There was a lesson to be learned in the NCS playoff’s for all the NorCal High School teams….And that is improve your skills….You saw what the So. calif teams did to Hamilton and Cardinal Newman….These teams lost to well prepared, ready to play teams…Even DLS had a rough time with the Huskies and they are the top team in the bay area….DLS is going to be hard to beat in 2009, so the Foothill League teams had better get ready or be ready for another whipping. And Mr. big was right about Grant….They had the best team in 2006 and were over looked…The 2006 Pacer team was far better then the 2008 team…BUT Grant is big, fast and aggressive and no body to mess with…Next year they will loose some of their skill players, but they will still be hard to beat…..If Grant and DLS should meet, the fur will fly and i would hate be in the middle…..
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 am
Renegades you crack me up.
Grant has travelled to play in the bay area in the past. They had a home and home with Valley Christian in 05 and 06. They won both games. Ok VC was sh** in 06 so I’ll be generous and won’t count that year’s 40-7 thumping they gave to them. Lets look at 05 where VC was pretty good and ended the year at 12-1. You know where that one loss came from? You guessed it, GRANT. So don’t imply any crap that Grant goes out of state cause they are afraid to play bay area teams. They are not intimidated by bay area powers and have gone to San Jose and beaten one of their best teams during one of their peak years.
And don’t even try to bring up Highland. I can equally claim that Serra and Loyola are pretty unremarkable teams this year and you beat those teams by an average of like 3 points. Highland ended the year 10-2 and state champions. Alta ended 13-1 and state champions whose only loss was to Grant. Serra is 8-4 and Loyola is 6-5. Those teams were not juggernauts and don’t pretend just because they are in CA, that makes them automatically more legit opponents then Alta and Highland. And no I don’t care about what you hear from a friend of a friend of a friend from Boston Market who’s sister was married to a former coaches opinion. I’m sure its also a 100% unbiased and truly objective opinion of course.
As for 2006. People bring it up because you were chosen over Grant and then went and choked against a not particularly great Canyon Country team that most felt wasn’t even the best team out of Southern CA. Maybe it isn’t fair but people can’t help but wonder if you guys were a tad bit overrated in 06? If you had taken care of business then, no one would bring it up now.
And this year, talk about sour grapes. Alot of you guys (including your head coach) and the bay area media made a lot of noise after Grant was chosen over you for the open championship game. The Coach L comment about how “Div 1 game is the true CA championship game” is totally classless and disrespectful to Grant, Poly, and the Section selection committee. After the game and Grant wins and DLS loses, proving everybody wrong, there are STILL people like eastbayscout and hawaii who claim that even with their TWO LOSSES, DLS is still better then Grant. Oh, but its no disrespect to Grant of course! Ooo..kk, LOL who are you guys trying to kid with the smug double talk.
Look Grant has taken care of business ON THE FIELD. They won every single game this season. DLS HAS NOT. They losted NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. Grant did everything they were supposed to do. If they can’t get respect despite this then I don’t know what else to say.
For record I’m a bay area guy. Grew up here and only recently moved to Davis for work. I bleed 49er and Cal football and have followed prep football since I was in high school. I have mad respect for DLS but I also have seen how good the football teams in Sacramento area is and it irks me to see all the bias and arrogance from bay area folks. They have no clue about the quality of prep football in Sacramento. Hopefully this will change with this victory by Grant.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
the ebal teams dont want to play grant too much speed. too many brothas & samoans. speed kills!
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
and another thing east bay scout and the rest of the doubters here in the bay area. the qb for that (in your words) not so good of a team highland the state champs from idaho. there qb will be going to stanford. huh either the people at stanford are idiots or the guy can pass. just not against Grant. Dls is a great program but the attitude of alot of people in the east bay being better than others “all” the time gets embarrassing after a while.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
i have no ties to DLS so get over it, i didn’t play there, i am not a fan, i dont live close to them, my kids dont play there, etc.etc. but i do respect what they do. and you will also hear me say it isn’t fair at same time, because they are able to pull from out of area unlike the other public schools and offer scholarships and firmly believe private schools should either be playing in division up above enrollment or should have a total separate playoff system like new jersey, because they are at an advantage.
i was just stating my observations from the game…I will totally agree that the 06 grant team did get screwed over. that was one of the best teams in the bay area over the past few years and would have beating DLS that year.
and no i did not mean DLS had the best run game this year. i mean as a program and as a system, their run game is model to all programs on how efficiently they execute with sometimes lesser players. not saying they don’t have talent, but no where near poly, centennial or even grant. the past dls teams did, but really since mjd and landry left dls has not been as good as they used to be.
i am not doubting grants ability and even said i was glad they won, relax. you want me to tell you how good you are will that make you feel better? i did not say they suck or are terrible or don’t deserve to win state title. i merely said this year DLS i believe would have beaten them, and centennial would have beat up on both poly and grant. that was a great team.
and brian i said nothing about the qb from idaho, i know absolutely nothing about him nor the team or really care for that matter. so get your facts straight before you start throwing things out there.
my last post i will say is…grant fans you need to sustain a program of the length of dls before you bash it. win a few more state titles, go undefeated for the next decade then ask to be mentioned above dls. this year you are considered best team in norcal congratulations, but you guys seem to want to believe you have dethroned DLS. that does not happen with one state title, especially when you have yet to beat them…now i know nothing about who dodged who or why you two havent played, soon or later it will happen then you will have your chance. until then enjoy your state title and top dog for 2008. but to bash the most recognizable program in the united states when you haven’t even beaten them is kind of dumb.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
east bay i simply brought up the idaho thing cause you claim that a passing team like cent would have beaten grant. that is completely speculation. grant played two good passing teams in the idaho game and utah game. heck the grant qb threw for just as many yards as the cent qb and had one more td. and lbp def was better than dls. so dont sit here and say that grant couldn’t beat them or dls. the stats and facts don’t back that up. now that grant did the inprobable in many people’s out side of the valley, every one want’s to try and give them the respect for it then say “ya but…….” grant took on the best team in the state and num 2 in the nation and beat them soundly. poly didnt look good in the gane because they werent allowed to by a big fast strong team. you can’t teach those intangables or prepare for them.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I really find the whole excuse that DLS is ducking Grant to be insane. There’s obviously more to it than what appears or what the Grant people tell the Sac Bee guys. The Bee reporters are in Grant’s pocket, much the way the CC Times writers bleed DLS.
DLS has never ducked anyone and has played the best teams from year to year. I, like everyone else, would love to see that game. I don’t have ties to either school, but am tired of hearing that blah, blah about DLS ducking Grant. It would be nice to see one of the local DLS beat writers do their job and talk with Eidson about that game.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
De La Salle became a National Power by whoppin up on great white schools thy did play The Miami Northwestern’s,the Canton Mckinley’s,the Cleveland St.Ignatius’s,the Valdosta,Georgia’s or any of the Texas teams. and if u De La Salle people don’t know who Canton McKinley is they are the 1997 USA Today National Champs they won’t it by playing a very tough schedule. Flat out Grant is the only school in California tht I’ve see tht could beat one of those powerhouse schools Poly and Cenntenial prolly could this year too but De La Salle NO too small.
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
if anyone can interpret what Dez#72 said- please let me know.
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I’m sayin DLS is weak and always has been buddy and has been ducking all the real national powers
December 23rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Poly smashed Northwestern this year.
McKinley went 6-5 this year and Valdosta went 5-5.
DLS has won 5 USA today titles since 1998, plus the MaxPreps.com national title last year.
DLS just didn’t have one of its better teams this year, which doesn’t come as a shock, people have been saying that the whole year. It was still good enough to give Centennial (ranked No. 2 in the nation by USA Today) a run for its money…
December 23rd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Thts all good
Mckinley 6-5 would win Open Division out and blow DLS Out because of their tough schedule
Valdosta would give DLS a game
ST.Ignatuis well you be the judge Ohio State Champs
DLS couldn’t Play in the Federal League Or the GCL in Ohio too strong. and Im waiting for it go ahead say it yea DLS beat a weak Cin. Elder team a few years back.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
And why exactly is this a true statement? Other than the mere “They just too weak sauce blood.” What could you possibly say to back up your argument? DLS has played teams from the top ranks of the country year in and year out. You think because you can grab a couple of state champs and throw them together then you’d have the perfect formula for dethroning DLS? Wake up knucklehead! If they were in the league then we’d be able to better gauge the situation. But seeing as how they aren’t and they’ve absolutely dominated the section they’re in I guess we’re gonna have to go based on that. And based on that, I’d say you owe this program a bit more respect. Or maybe they’re not strong enough or talented enough because they don’t have god’s gift to football on their team.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
12-23-08
Guys….What we need is a shootout, where teams earn the right to play the Southern Calif. teams instead of a group making selections….That way there is no way to complain when the dust clears…..If a team comes in and has a bad night, then its their tough luck…League champs and best record…But league champs should loose only one or two games to qualify for the playoffs…Five or six rounds should do the job.
December 24th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Jason
While I am still waiting on the detailed article from Bay Fan, here is an article in response to your friend of a friend of a friend comment.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_11240026
If you read down you will see where Darin Owens, the coach of the 4A Idaho State Champs, Hillcrest and former coach of Northgate High School who was in the same league as Las Lomas at the time, talks about the comparison.
In regards to the Serra and Loyola games you are right DLS struggled. If they were playing like that at the end of the seaspn CC would have killed them and to be honest I’m not sure they would have won NCS playing like they were. You are talking about two very different DLS squads though. Very different in terms of th level they were playing at. Alta is a great win, I have never said different. But Serra and Loyola would beat Highland plain and simple. The coaches comment confirms this.
Now to call Coach Lad classless might be a first. I don’t think I have ever heard that before. I guess it’s classless for a coach to state their reaction to a decision and their opinion on the matter.
I’m not saying Grant is ducking people, I asked a question as to why they traveled to Idaho to play a team. I do think there were better teams here that they could have played. And to tell me to stop implying Grant is ducking people, when you have been stating DLS does?
I have all the respect in the world for Grant. I have not dissed their football program as they are now in the top echelon of teams in NorCal. I stated when the games were made that while I disagreed with the choice of sending Grant to the Open Game, that Grant deserved a bowl bid and had a very real chance to beat Poly. And I don’t think the east bay is the be all and end all of great high school football. Great teams come from all over. So don’t go on a little rant about how Grant gets no respect. I was happy they beat Poly to begin with, that now people would see more to NorCal football than just DLS!
Now you are making all these claims about how a two loss team would not beat an undefeated team when it happened in the game you still talk about when a two loss Canyon team beat an undefeated DLS squad. So to say it couldn’t happen would be wrong. If you were to read my earlier posts I described how I thought the game would go. Nowhere did I say DLS dominates or even beats Grant only that there is something about DLS and how they play the game that you only get a real appreciation of by playing them. I will guarantee you Grant has never played a team like it. I have a very good appreciation of how good football is in Sacramento, those top teams are very, very good. But you also have to realize that the level of football in this area is also very high and DLS has consistently dominated no matter the level of talent they have on the field. I will say it again that I congratulate Grant on a fantastic season.
Now Descamp I don’t think LB Poly is a great white school and last time I checked DLS beat them twice including once down South. Neither is Centennial Corona. And the very good Pitt and San Leandro teams don’t fall into that category either. I’m sure there would be good games from those national schools you listed and I don’t think that some of the DLS teams of the past few years would win every game. But to say they are weak is just plain ignorant.
December 24th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Come on Descamp, playing the race card??? Really?? Sounds like a Monte Poole column.
December 24th, 2008 at 8:22 am
EBAL Fan-
“Come on Descamp, playing the race card??? Really?? Sounds like a Monte Poole column.”
that is the most right on comment i have read here in a long time.
December 24th, 2008 at 9:16 am
hey I wasn’t tryin to pull the race card but if u look at who dls plays its true DLS deserves some credit because they have won NCS every year they deserve that but I don’t this is how I knew they are weak because they lost to Don Bosco Prep a team tht go whooped by Cin. St.Xavier but for DLS to prove to me and the rest of the country tht thy are a real power thy need to get in the Herbstriet Ohio Vs. USA Classic and play a true national power like a St.Ignatius St.X McKinley Massillon Glenville or even Div.III Cardinal Mooney
December 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Dez, and if they played in the Ohio vs. USA classic, someone from Texas or Florida would say they are dodging them. I think most people are aware that Ohio HS football is very, very good. So is Cali football. DLS is a victim of their extreme success, in which, people are laying in wait for them to slip up ever so slightly, so as to pile on. This was not one of DLS better teams, but, they lost in the state title game by 5 points. They compete very well nationally, and always have. The piling on is similar to a player making 17 tackles in a playoff game, amd people asking why he did’nt make 20 and win the game by himself. Something tells me DLS won’t slip up next year…
December 24th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
DLS already went to the Herbstreit Classic and won big. It’s not their fault they got matched up with Elder in a down year. Dez, you can’t say Elder was weak (at 6-4) and then come back and say McKinley would win the California Open after it finished 6-5.
What if DLS beat McKinley last year? What would that have proved, McKinley was 3-7. Doesn’t exactly sound like a national power.
It’s the same stuff every year. Everyone wants a shot at DLS because its the standard every program in the nation wishes it could live up to.
But don’t take my word for it, Ohio’s own Kirk Herbstreit had this to say “(DLS vs Elder) is an intriguing matchup because all the GCL teams aspire to be De La Salle,” Herbstreit says of the Greater Catholic League of Cincinnati-area schools, “one of the great parochial programs in the nation. Elder is one program that could sell out a stadium (for a big game).”
Also, Poly beat Glenville last year.
December 24th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
like i said before de la salle can play, just not there year dont have the athletes. but monte vista, srv, cal they don’t wanna play teams like grant, poly, & cenntenial they have too much speed & power! besides de la salle the ebal can’t compete with the big boys!
December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Well, Cal gave Bellevue its best game of the year and Bellevue won the Washington 3A title and finished ranked No. 7 in the West Region by ESPN Rise.
They definitely competed.
And that’s the team that ended ranked 5th in the league by the end of the year.
The EBAL can definitely compete on a regional level.
December 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I was at the Poly Glenville game last year in Canton tht was a matchup of speed on speed it went to the wire. Glenville matches up with Grant very nicely . and again the Herbstriet Classic is held At Canton Fawcett Stadium,Massillon Paul Brown Tiger Stadium,Cincinnati Nippert Stadium and played at U Of Texas so the Name is really meaningless some of you guys if you ever get the chance so got to the Pro Football Hall Of Fame Should Go it is a beautiful place
December 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Guru
The EBAL can compete with the big boys. Example Cal this year finished I believe tied for third or fourth in the EBAL and before playoffs was 6-4. They went to Washington to play Bellevue, the team that beat De La to end the streak and this years Bellevue team went on to go undefeated and went on to win the 3A state title with Cal giving them their toughest test all year and only losing by seven points. Bellevue has been consistently good both statewide and nationally.
This is where I don’t understand the comments about Sac football getting no respect. You guys come on here and say things about the Bay Area teams and how they are bad and overrated. I’m sure the three schools you listed would love to play Poly, CC, or Grant. Unfortunately, it’s hard for teams to schedule these games until they get some recognition and that comes from a big win. When you are in the East Bay that big win would be De La Salle. I have believed for awhile now that the best teams in the East Bay can compete on a national level. Some of the past Pittsburg teams and San Leandro teams. Last year’s SRV team and some of the past MV teams. They are very good football teams who have the misfortune of being under DLS’ shadow. Hopefully, these teams will eventually be able to showcase their talents at some point.
December 24th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Dez#72- why would predominately black schools play better football than predominately white schools?
December 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Who’s the predominately black school’s buddy the only school i kno tht i listed is predominately black is miami northwestern. Most of the schools i listed are mixed in. I am a person of mixed races anyway.ans Black school’s are clearly faster
December 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
from a bay area article. “The logic and the facts really don’t support (Grant) being selected over De La Salle,” Tennis said. “When the games happen, De La Salle will still be ranked ahead of Grant in every poll. Just because the commissioners picked it one way, everyone will leave it as is because nothing has changed.”
LOOK AT EVERY POLL. GRANT IS OVER DLS. i didnt go to grant but i live close to it and my class the class of 06-07 would have beat dls hands down. GRANT BEST CALI TEAM 08-09. noone can question it. GRANT BEST TEAM IN NORCAL since 05
December 25th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
The comment made by Tennis was in regard to the fact that even though Grant had been selected to the Open game over DLS, that the rankings would not change to reflect this before the games and move Grant up over DLS. He was not talking about what the rankings would be after the games.
December 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
And just cuz a team is faster doesn’t make them better by the way Dez.
December 25th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Clearly its not you see what happened to san leandro i dont think i ever said tht if a team is faster tht it is better
December 25th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Dez
Then what was the whole point of saying that DLS ducks predominantly black schools and that they are weak because of it?
Andre
In regards to Grant being the best team in NorCal since 05 well here are the stats for you.
Grant since 2005
Record: 44-6
Two Section Titles
One State Title
DLS since 2005
Record: 49-5
Four Section Titles
One State Title
So while Grant is a top program in NorCal to say they are the top program in NorCal is not quite true. This debate will go on until it’s settled on the field, just a thought though.
December 26th, 2008 at 5:52 am
Calm down Renegades. All he meant to say was “They just to weak sauce blood.”
December 26th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Andre. “Since 05″ totally different from “in 05″.
December 26th, 2008 at 7:48 am
HAAL FAN
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????
December 26th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
I’m talking about the fact that not once have you brought up a valid argument to back what you said! “De La Salle became a National Power by whoppin up on great white schools thy did play” also “I’m sayin DLS is weak and always has been buddy and has been ducking all the real national powers” Not once have you brought forth an example. I just want to know why you believe these things to be true.
December 26th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I believe these things to be true because thy have not played anybody from a big time football state in their whole run in winning national championships. The people at DLS will not put a Trinity from Texas and Miami Northwestern a Cincinnati St.Xavier on their schedule because they understand they will be routed so they go out and schedule the Bellvues washingtons and The Don Bosco Preps. Until De La Salle plays and beats any of the big time programs back East or in the South they are weak in my eyes that’s how I see it
December 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I jus came out here last july but it seems to me all u DLS people tht the folks at Grant want De La Salle and have wanted DLS for a while. So if you guys believe you can beat Grant you reporters call the DLS AD and ask y it hasn’t happened?
December 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Jimmy how can you forget about Oakland High’s Damonte Horton? Five pick’s three for touchdowns…
December 26th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
yea damonte is nice he was servin at san jose state passing tournaments along with the wide reciever
December 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Horton wasn’t forgotten about. He was brought up in the meeting but when it comes to utility-type players such as him, there’s a lot of talented players and not enough spots for everybody. Plus, I wasn’t able to track down his defensive stats to bring to the meeting. He’s only a junior and I’d expect to see him on the Players to Watch list next year and my guess is he’ll be a strong candidate to make the All-East Bay team next season.
December 26th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Speaking of stats, I know you guys are at the mercy of the coaches to aquire accurate stats, but it would help if they actually included playoff games in the stats and other things during the regular season. I’m just glad I don’t have to worry about it anymore now.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
For the offensive stats we keep, we do include the playoffs when considering All-East Bay teams. And yes, we are at the mercy of coaches for most other stats, such as defense. This year, we put the team out so quickly (which is a good thing) that we had only a couple of days to contact coaches. If a coach’s phone wasn’t working (which was the case at least once for me), we were out of luck.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
How do you guys pick the Offensive linemen?
December 27th, 2008 at 12:04 am
DBP is a big time program back east. And I am pretty sure most would consider California a big time football state.
Dez, what is your opinion on Grant then? Do you consider them weak as well? They haven’t played any of the big time schools from back east, florida, texas, or Ohio. So by your reasoning about DLS that would make Grant weak as well. I don’t think that’s the case for either team. And DLS would love to put those schools on the schedule, but everyone seems to forget this is high school football and most schools including DLS can’t pay for a team to become a traveling road show all season. DLS will travel out of state or down South for one game a year. That’s the budget. And this usually comes with support from a marketing company putting on the event. When DLS played in the first-ever nationally televised game on ESPN against Evangel Christian from Louisiana, who is a big time program from the South, the guys who marketed the event paid for the expenses of ECA’s travel. When they traveled to Ohio, they were given assistance. So really the final thing is DLS doesn’t duck people. It’s just an excuse usually used by the same people who claim that DLS recruits athletes to come play for them.
December 27th, 2008 at 5:01 am
Exactly. If we play that kind of game on here where everyone finds a school they admire that De La Salle hasn’t played then we’d be on here for years on end. We’re forced to look at what they’ve done and what they are logistically capable of doing. And when we’ve finally looked at all that we could, they deserve more respect than to be accused of ducking stronger opponents in an attempt to build to their fame.
December 27th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Grant is the only team in California tht from my experiences can play with the big boys. And there u go again bringing up weak Privte schools.DLS hasnt played a strong public school. And I kno for a fact if De La Salle wanted a Ohio Power to come out it would happen especially at a Massillon Or Canton Mckinley. Those schools are public schools but they have the biggest Football Budgets in the Nation. And they get tht by bringing 15 or 16 thousand people to a game every friday night or 25,000 to a Massillon Mckinley Game. He is a suggestion for you guys go find the Movie
“Go Tigers” and that will explain real High School Football.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Old Meddling,
We pick the O-lineman by gathering opinions from coaches on who the top guys are that they see. Obviously teams that have good offenses are given good consideration because we all know it all starts up front.
December 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Ok but McKinley and Massillon aren’t powers anymore. Colerain is the one public school in Ohio I know of that has been consistently good over this last decade. And why is it that you think private schools are weak? They have some of the best football programs in the country. The team that won the Ohio state title this year, St. Ignatius, is a private school. The team they beat in the final is a private school, Elder. Do you consider them weak? To say that Don Bosco Prep and Evangel Christian are weak shows a little bit of ignorance. Ask any of the guys who cover high school football and have for a long time and they will tell you these programs are very, very good and compete at a high level year in and year out. I know that there are some public schools in Florida and Texas that are very good. But there are teams of the same caliber here in California.
Why do you think that Grant is the only team able to compete with the big boys? What are your reasons?
December 27th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
mck and massillon both have been to the state championship this decade and have won very tough regions out here they call them sections and DLS just became a nationally known team in the 90′s Mckinley and Massillon started high school football. St.Ignatius Mckinley played every year until 2005 when Canton City Schools joined the federal league(The winningest Public League in Ohio)Massillon is independent so they continue to play ignatius also both mass and mckinleys strength of schedule are at least ten poins stronger then dls and u got it right go ask the old reporters and thy will tell Mck Massillon any year will beat DLS and mck n mass are always national powers and are ranked in the top ten in USA TODAY WHN UNDEFEATED Grant has the size and speed to play along with Cal Poly and there is really no point in goin on with this because DLS will Continue to play popcorns of the National Rankings Don Bosco Prep was slaughtered by an average Cin. St.Xavier team this year and DLS lost to them.
December 28th, 2008 at 2:09 am
DBP was slaughtered? 17-10? Don’t read you on that one. St. X also beat Prattville in Alabama who has been ranked in the top 10 and is now I believe the 3 time defending 5A state champ. But they are probably weak too. And the team that had D.J. Williams, Kevin Simon, Demetrius Williams, and Matt Guttieriez would lose? How about the 2003 team that was arguably the overall most talented team in the history of DLS. In regards to Grant, your whole argument about DLS being weak was based on them not playing top public schools across the country. It had nothing to do with size or speed. If you put Grant into your original argument they are also weak. I have seen two DLS teams beat LB Poly who was absolutely loaded with players. Ask Kyle or Jimmy about that 2001 Poly team. They were levels more talented and skilled than this years team. Everyone talks about the difference between the 06 and 08 Grant teams. They don’t hold a candle to the difference between the 01 and 08 Poly teams. And what did DLS do? They walked into Poly’s own backyard in 2001 and beat them. And in the rematch the following year, DLS dominated them.
In regards to strength of schedule, well that argument can’t be used any more after this year. Otherwise look at the difference between Grant and DLS’ SOS. Just because a team has a stronger SOS if they don’t get the W is doesn’t matter. It’s all good to say a team is a national power when they are undefeated and ranked in the top 10. But when is the last time those two teams were inside the top ten? DLS is also always ranked in the top 10 when undefeated.
You seem to have a fixation on those two teams. Almost as if Ohio football is the center of the universe. There is much more out there. Dez, you have chosen a year when DLS lost two games by a combined 7 points to two teams who are top 25 nationally one being top five to go out and say that DLS has always been weak. Show me another team who year after year is consistently as good. You are right that this convo shouldn’t really keep going because you still haven’t provided any legit argument to back up your theory that DLS has always been weak.
December 28th, 2008 at 4:48 am
This is what I think of DLS because of the caliber of high school football I’ve played and grew up around and what I think won’t change until they play a midwest or texas power. In my eyes DLS is weak to me that’s what I think. and the CIF commissioners seem to have liked Grant this year they picked them to play in the open division and they won so all you big de la salle crybabies shut up and live with it. Maybe Grant will pop up on the DLS schedule.
December 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I’m happy for Grant and have always said that. I thought you played for a school in HAAL by the way.
December 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
now i get it you went to mckinley your first two years explains the fixation on that team.
December 28th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
yea my pops grandpa was an all american defensive linemen there in the 50′s,my dad was a all state wide receiver and my cousin Percy Snow was a all state linebacker and all american he went on to be a all american at Michigan State my cousin Raymar Morgan was a all section wide reciever his sophmore year but decided to play basketball and now he is a all american at Michigan State same story with my cousin Eric Snow. the Snows are my cousins by marriage and my little cousin jus made All-Ohio as starting linebacker for the Bulldogs he is only a junior. So ima Bulldog in blood but because of Canton being in the rustbelt my dad was laidoff two years ago and I had to move with my mom out here to cali and if I had better knowledge of cali high school football I prolly would have played for an EBAL school like Cal or SRV.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Like Cal or SRV … or you know … De La Salle.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:16 am
I wouldn’t have been able to pay for the schooling at DLS
January 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
To all the Grant haters…please stop and just finally give us some damn respect. Always excuses of who, what, where, when, why, how, coulda, shoulda, woulda, if only!
POLY, YOU WERE RANKED 2nd IN THE NATION! “yeah, but you caught us between games”…BULLSHHHHTT…YOU WERE RANKED 2ND IN THE NATION!
“yeah, but our number one kicker was out”…BULLSHHHHTTT…YOU WERE RANKED 2ND IN THE NATION! Grant didn’t even have a kicking game…you should’ve slaughtered them!
“yeah, but..this wasn’t our best team”…BULLSHHHHTTT…YOU WERE RANKED 2ND IN THE NATION!
Rewatch the game Poly…listen to the commentator. To run a 3-5 defense….you have to have pure athletes! That’s right! Not just big men…Athletes! Nobody else in the state runs a 3-5…..ONLY THE PRO’S BABY!!!
You people kill me! As for Centennial, DLS and any other Bay area team. Let’s put things into perspective here. Where we come from…it don’t matter what the paper says. You can be number 1 in your paper everyday if you want! There’s a 100 yard field of turf in Del Paso Heights. Quit jack’n jaw on here and go support your school, your coach and your team by calling Grant and putting your money where your mouth is.