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Rule changes affecting A-11
By Jimmy Durkin
Wednesday, February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm in Uncategorized.
By popular request, let’s get the talk going about the rule change enacted last week by the NFHS that makes the A-11 Offense that was created at Piedmont High illegal. Essentially, the exception (some have called in a loophole) that Piedmont had been using by having all of its lineman wear eligible numbers in a scrimmage kick formation, was closed. The coaching staff at Piedmont is feverishly working to try to set something up to allow the offense to still be used, and I’ll update more as I get information on that. For now, here’s the excerpt from the View from the Tower column that I wrote on the subject that appeared in Tuesday’s paper. Sorry for not getting this on the blog earlier.
By Jimmy Durkin
Staff writer
IN TWO SEASONS OF USE, the A-11 Offense created at Piedmont High never has faced a defense like the one it’s up against now.
Among the rule changes for next season announced Friday by the National Federation of State High School Associations is one that puts a major crimp in the future of the A-11, a football offense initiated by Piedmont coaches Kurt Bryan and Steve Humphries in which all 11 players on the field are potentially eligible to catch a pass.
“The definition of a scrimmage-kick formation was clarified to differentiate formations that have been used traditionally for attempting a field goal or kick … from those used for a punt,” Bob Colgate, NFHS assistant director and liaison to the Football Rules Committee, said in a release. “In addition, the circumstances under which the numbering exception can be utilized have been changed to clarify what can be done on first, second, third and fourth downs.”
What the change means is that on first, second and third down, at least four players must wear Nos. 50-79, making them ineligible to catch a pass. The center may wear an eligible number, but he is also ineligible.
One of the bases for the A-11 — an offense that has spread throughout the country — was the idea that all players, including lineman, wore eligible numbers (1-49, 80-99) in a scrimmage kick formation that allowed the team to shift just before the snap to create a countless combination of eligible receivers. Depending on the formation shift and the play call, a pass could be thrown to one of the six receivers spread wide or even one of the down lineman — of which the base formation had only three.
But the rule change, which Bryan said was voted on by people who have never seen a game utilizing the A-11, makes the offense illegal except on fourth down.
The fact that the rule change was made should come as little surprise, given the amount of chatter the offense has received since its inception in the 2007 season. While there’s been plenty of support, it’s typically been bad-mouthed by football traditionalists.
Despite this latest setback, Bryan said the A-11 will not go down without a fight. Piedmont plans to fight to allow programs to continue using the A-11. Those that have benefitted typically are smaller schools that lack the big offensive lineman needed for a more traditional offense.
“It is our first hope that the NFHS is able to change with the times and will be most willing to help create an A-11 football sub-federation within the framework of their existing organization,” Bryan said in a statement. “If yes, then everybody wins, especially the schools like ours nationwide.
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February 18th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Alright. Glad to see it go. Its not football. I honestly never saw what was good about it. You see teams run the west coast offense you say: “quick passes get the ball out of the QB’s hands” Zone running: “combo blockng the front & running where the LB or DT isn’t” Triple opiton: ” your reading defenders to handoff, keep, or option.” Never saw what was special about this offense or how it made anything easy for a team other then 300lb defenders have to rush deep at a QB. But the QB in this offense still has to be a stud. The kid at Piedmont was responsible for 40-50 plays a game on his own running or throwing. Everytime he threw he had to sprint out. You basically neede a Spread Option D-1 type QB who is a stud & I thought George was pretty close. I thought this offense made things a lil to hard on him. They would have been better with some 6-7 man protection sets maybe A-11 as a package. Next year they would have struggled their back-up isn’t the player George was.
All respect to Coach Bryan & Piedmont. They invented an offense that some colleges & I think 1 Pro team ran. But honestly the rules were put in for teams to get their personal in on Scrimmage kicks. He took a loop hole & ran with it. It never would have succeeded long term cuz it puts too much on the QB much like the Run n’ Shoot did in the NFL.
I think he’s a good coach anyways & he doesn’t need this crap. They would have won every single game they won without it. The only game it looked like it helped was against Las Lomas in 07 only because Las Lomas was big headed & played their exact same D against it & they got screened a lot. This maybe the best thing that could have happened to Piedmont.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
We faced this offense twice in two years vs. Piedmont.
I predicted Encinal would beat Novato for the ncs championship, and called it near perfect.
The federation should be eliminated, our staff respects Piedmont, and the A-11 is a thing of beauty when you see it live. It is stunning when hitting on all cycles, and we gave them everything we had.
Our staff is going to do everything we can to help Coach Bryan keep the A-11 going.
What a bunch of cry babies and losers for getting this amazing offense setback.
BSAL Def. Coord.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:18 am
First of all, they did not invent anything! People have been running this silly formation for years, the only thing they decided to do was make it apart of their main set. When I was in high school at Oakland Tech, Mack would come out in the very same formation from time to time to see how poeple would line up out of it and they would throw a hitch here and there, and all piedmont did was add some more things to it to make it a set offense. We also ran it when I coached at Lincoln University of Missouri in 2003 and usd it as a trick play formation. For the most part it was able to work, but to me it did nothing for the offensive players in the system trying to go to the next level. I coached against it in 2007 while at Oakland High and we ended up losing by a last second field goal, but we were able to keep it in check for the most part. But with that said I am glad to see it go as well. QAnd my question is are they really trying to coach football or just get name recognition, but with all due respect in think they needed to run something like that because they did not match up well with other teams to run basic offense.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:48 am
We took our kids to watch Piedmont vs. St. Patricks from Benecia this fall and having never seen this offense before, it was very exciting to watch it unfold, and seeing all of those fast little players scooting around the field.
I like it and what it can do for small schools.
Ed V.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
A11 is not my favorite style of football but it has definitely helped the game move into its future. My vote is to let it ride and see how it goes.
Tony
February 19th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Bryan is an amazing coach. I wonder what his plan B is going to be. You know he has something up his sleeve. I’m sure he saw some portion of this coming. I feel for that offense though. It was creative. However, with the college rules somewhat similar to whats in place NOW for high school ball (NFHS) Im sure he saw this coming.
So coach Bryan, whats your next step? I have a couple fancy formations of my own you might want to take a look at baby.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Man lets play some real football, fast and (F)ysical with an ‘F’! forget all that pre-madonna and fancy formations, let get back to the root of football, hittin somebody in the mouth.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:24 am
The whole intent of this offense was to deceive. Its gone good riddance. All that small schools I can field a line talk it for s**t. He had probably the biggest team in the BSAL linemen wise. The O-line he didn’t use were huge. #43, #74, #85 were big boys. He invented this system to fool black schools. He was just hoping that these teams that play man coverage would Spread out with his guys & man up which some dumb schools did if they didn’t he wanted to throw a quick screen. Make it fair atleast. Declare who is or isn’t eligible immediately insteaed of waiting til the last second to line up on the LOS if schools couldn’t figure it out then hey not your problem. Having to walk out on trips to both sides or quads then not even knowing who could catch a pass until they say hike is stupid. PLAY BALL! I’m all for the Wing-T’s & Option offenses with the ball fakes thats hard work & carrying out your fakes to make people honor you is good job to the players & coaches. Putting 3 guys to a side only one is eligible but one runs a Quick hitch the other swings & you honor it cuz the play before one of those ineligible guys just caught a pass or had a pass thrown to them. WEAK! Thats why no one got hurt cuz 2 to 3 guys on a play wouldn’t even do anything including block.
Lets see how much A-11 Bryan runs on 4th down for Scrimmage kicks now? Zero. Thats why this offense was phony. He never even used it for scrimmage kicks. He just lined up in a regular spread punt set.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Man Green you trippin, them taking away the A-11 is not cool. It’s one of those things that give a school an advantage, if you are a team that runs lets say the triple option and your the only team in your league that runs it you have an advantage because now coach’s have to gameplan against something that they are not used to playing against. I think your just upset because it takes the lineman off the feild.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Lets see if we got this straight?
These two coaches (I’ve met Bryan once and Humphrey a few times)submit their ideas a few years ago, and got the a-11 ruled legal, and told it was alright to use by the cif.
They go for it and proceed to show the football world what is possible and win games, get into the playoffs, and win more games each year using it.
They run their offense for two years and also Punt from it on 3rd and 4th downs, and they share all of their ideas with coaches around the country.
What a dispicable act by the cif, two-faced and shameful to Indian Give, way to hurt the small guys again and again.
Vet Coach
February 20th, 2009 at 11:11 am
I like the a-11 never saw it live bu seen it on film. One of my coaches showed me sum plays and I was amazed to see the amount of stuff you can do. It reminds me of the florida spread with tebow. Hope the Cif reinstates it the A-11 is a great offense from what I’ve seen. Good luck to piedmond I hope they get through the system.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Wrongly, the proposed rules adjustments have specifically targeted the A11 even though it was previously declared legal by CIF and other states in the union.
The CIF and federal rules blunder of this nasty attack on a brilliant and creative high school offense to help smaller teams will go down as one of the most diabolical and costly mistakes ever made by authoratative bodies.
The scope of this probable and upcoming class-action lawsuit might break records.
Tragic for the kids.
Jackson
February 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Imagine some Old fuds sitting in their high chairs on some rules comittee saying “that aint the way football has always been played” so we gonna kill it cause we think it’s bad.
How pathetic can those cronies be?
Humphrieries and Bryan deserve all the credit coming their way for shaking things up big time on the gridiron and those piedmont football players do to.
Long live A-11!!!!!!!!!
Terrence
February 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Football just got a lot less interesting.
R.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I am an old school football guy and am more than willing to go on the record to say that this is not “real football”. “Real football” is getting down in the trenches and banging heads for four quarters. “Real football” is realizing that all the scheming in the world can’t account for lack of physicality. However, this offense worked. Just because the majority of us are bias and don’t believe this brand of football should belong on the field with the option, wing t, and spread offenses of the world doesn’t give us the right to legalize it one day and outlaw it the other. They should give it a chance. “Real football” is to me what it was taught to me. Maybe in a few years from now this might have changed, but then again, for some people change ain’t always a good thing.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Been to the piedmont games scouting to see a-11 for myself, and more I watched it, the more I appreciated it, and undertood how innovative it was.
My sons like it and both of them will be playing tackle football at east bay high schools for their soph and junior years.
The game needs to change with the times, and if some refs cant keep up with that, time to get new refs.
Jim
February 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I don’t know why the perception is that Bryan got this offense legalized 2 years ago? When he presented his idea to the rules committee there was nothing in the rules that made this offense illegal because he followed all the rule for a legal SCRIMMAGE KICK & there was nothing in the rule book saying you can only run that set on 4th down. That’s the problem. Obviously a flaw by the rules committee that they have now fixed. End of story. If this offense was the future & a new innovative way to do things then they would have legalized(it being illegal already) in NFL & College. But the NFL & College didn’t legalize it because why would you make it special rules for teams to use the numbering system & rules for Punt formations on 1st, 2nd, 3rd down when they really have no intention of Punting??? WAKE UP PEOPLE!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
One can only imagine the proverbial rule makers burning the midnight oil in a way to keep football from advancing into the future!
Slow the game down, change the rules to ensure LESS Speed and LESS athletic players are able to participate in the game!
Hats off to the Piedmont coaches, and thank you for giving us a vital look into the game’s future!
Osci
February 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
Alright, I’m sick of this s**t. OK all you A-11 supporters & there’s 12 or 13 of blogging on this site. Why should there be numbering exceptions & rules for srimmage kicks (specifically Punting which is what this scam is based on)on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, down when a team has no intention of Punting?? The commision did the exact right thing in making it illegal cuz Bryan never kicked on 1st, 2nd, & 3rd down! Has anybody ever in the history of football ever Punted on 2nd or 3rd down? I don’t think so. So why should there be rules allowing it? Give me a scenario where they would need Punt exceptions on 1st or 2nd down?
Answer the question? Or except the fact that there is no valid argument & the offense should be gone.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:04 am
Roeper, all that fuss over punting exceptions? Coaches always look for ways to walk the fine line of the rules, they found one anf the board of non football playing rules makers said okay. Now they are changing there mind, shame on them.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:29 am
Roeper, finished being me? I think that offense is creative, innovative, fast, but it does not fool me. K. Bryan, I don’t know about that coach from St. Pats.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am
The fact remains that he’s going to be fighting to get scrimmage kick rules OK’d on 1st, 2nd, & 3rd down & never kick the ball. That doesn’t make sense.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
This offense is a freaking great to watch!
William
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 am
Eculb it has nothing to do with taking the lineman of the field, but to me it is not real football,and really that fact that they want to take it out mean that it should not have been allowed in the first place, now I coached against it and in my opinion it can be stopped and I do understand it but the reason it is getting thrown out in my opinion is because the guy tried to get famous off of it instead of just going out on the field and playing ball. He brought too much attention to himself and his team. Now I am a very innovative type of guys and I like to do different things but this whole premadonna style football is not real to me. And personally I feel he ran it because he knew pound for pound his team could not run another offense and be competitive in the BSAL in my opinion. And it’s not about advantage, cuz team that don’t run the A-11 have an advantage every week they step on the field depending on who they are playing. And if you think they should keep it, then why don’t you run it so you can have an advantage if you start coaching again, yeah right! you would never run something like that because you are an I backs type of guy!!! You like physical football so I’m shocked that you would be oin favor of something like this
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 am
Roeper,
Has anybody in the history of football punted on third down? Oh, I don’t know, maybe a quick kick!!!! For someone who professes to be an expert on football, you sure don’t seem to know much.
Lemme ‘splain: Say your team drives to the other team’s 40 and then your screw up LT gets two straight holding penalties on third down. Now you’re looking at a third-and-30ish from your own 40. Maybe the weather sucks or it’s a close game and you don’t want your rookie QB to screw it up. What do you do? Line him up in the shotgun, snap him the ball, have him punt it and then go down the ball because the other team didn’t have anyone deep to receive the kick.
And I don’t even like the A-11. It’s just a glorified spread. Piedmont can run the same system with 5 linemen like they do in “real football” and do just as well.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Where is it stated what “real football” is I’m sure the spread offense was not considered real football at its conception. Heck if we want to say what real football is then you must go all the way back to putting your WR in three point stance before the snap! Now that was real football!
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
XTower, let me S’PLAIN this: Whats that country talk? Your in the Bay cuz. Start talking like it. You obviously never watch football. I’ve never heard of a team punting on 3rd down. Never seen that situation. Never heard of it. Name the game & the team that did that Genius. If its true(which its not) tell Bryan to start doing it & maybe he’ll have an arguement for the SCAM-11. Here’s where you messed up buddy. You’ve seen teams quick kick on 4th down!! Yeah, I know its called football . They probably lined up like they were going for it in Shotgun or something then quick kicked it. There’s gotta be a Rugby Blog some where. Find it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Why would a team punt on 3rd & 30? You have no faith in your team.
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
I agree. Just like REAL basketball has 2 guards, 2 forwards, and a center. If the personnel available for the team at your school has 7 or 8 good guards, and no big men, you should still play REAL basketball and stick the biggest tallest kid you have in the game as a center no matter how unskilled and uncoordinated he is. And if your center happens to be 5’11, you should still have him post up on the block exclusively to maintain the integrity of REAL basketball.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
ROEPER/PERKIN/all your other names:
Don’t pretend like you’ve never heard of a quick kick on third down. Randall Cunningham used to do it all the time.
As for the A-11. They found a loop hole in the rules, exploited it and now the loop hole is gone. I highly doubt the rules committee will switch it back — Piedmont can run a regular spread and it will work just the same.
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Never heard of it. Definitely never heard of it in high school football. Name a championship team that uses that strategy. New England do that? De La Salle? Does USC Punt on 3rd down? Buddy Ryan era huh. OK he had one winning season never made the Play-Offs. Lost every where he went as a Head Coach. Come on Bonagaur you know it all? Is there a Winning Strategies coaching clinic I can go to that will teach me how to Punt on 3rd down?
Might be a good strategy in Shoots & Ladders or Fantasy Land. Don’t know about winning football.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Funny you should mention that.
Ben Roethlisberger quick kicked against the Chargers this year in the NFL playoffs. They won the Super Bowl.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Here is the box score. Pinned them inside the 20.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore;_ylt=AkBa99ZMIN1uNrT5m2uOrLZDubYF?gid=20090111023
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Thank you Kyle. (I think Big Ben’s kick was on fourth down, but whatever. Point made)
Just in case Roeper doesn’t believe us, here. If it’s on Wikipedia, it’s gotta be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_kick
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
You might be right, I think Big Ben’s was on fourth down. Still a quick kick.
However, Matt Cassell did it on third down.
So Roeper, yes, New England does it as well.
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/2008_12_29_A_long-winded_statement/
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Stick to the issue this ain’t “Stump the Schaub”. You’ve both definitely made my point that a team doesn’t need Punt formation rules on 3rd down.
I appreciate it & thank you. So long SCAM-11.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
If the issue is the A-11, then I agree with you (for the most part). The offense would never have been legal in the NFL. The intent of scrimmage kick rule is to allow faster players to get on the field to cover a punt, not for a primary offense in downs 1 through 3. Props to Piedmont for finding the loop hole and exploiting it, however I have to think if there wasn’t a full fledged attempt to publicize it on a national level, the offense would still be legal and Piedmont would still be able to use it. I know they’ve enjoyed all the pub and there has been a lot of positive feedback on it.
As for the Stump the Schwab comment, Roeper. Let me refresh your memory.
This is what you wrote:
“I’ve never heard of a team punting on 3rd down. Never seen that situation. Never heard of it. Name the game & the team that did that Genius. If its true(which its not) tell Bryan to start doing it & maybe he’ll have an arguement for the SCAM-11.”
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“Never heard of it. Definitely never heard of it in high school football. Name a championship team that uses that strategy. New England do that?”
You’re the one asking the questions. I named the game, the team and it happened to be New England.
BTW, what’s the update with next year’s Island Bowl? Alameda still trying to pull out?
February 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am
It’s real easy for you coaches that have plenty of size on the line to criticize the A-11. Who’s to say what REAL football is. Why not just outlaw the forward pass as well?
February 24th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I have never seen such whining and loser chatter in my life here in the bay. We should be congratulating and thanking these coaches for showing us a brand new system of football that puts the best athletes on the field at every moment possible.
Do the big schools have an advantage?
Almost always, yes.
Did Bryan and Humphris create something radical, legal and new? Yes. Our staff can’t wait for their petition to come out so we can be the first wave of people to support it.
Shame on the old school monsters out there trying to bash the Piedmont coaches, they should be thanked and continually respected.
Our AD loves A11 football and will fight to keep it viable in any way shape or form.
DB Coach in Bay
February 24th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
CIF could create a separate A-11 division, like they have for 8-man football.
Maybe it could be played on a Canadian Football League field, too.
February 24th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
The A-11 is stupid…piedmont football team is nowhere near one of the smallest football teams in the bay area…the keep callin themselfs a smaller team when they pull together 45-55 man rosters every year on all 3 levels…The A-11 is just a excuse to try and get famous…we speak of this like it has won them more games and championships or somthin… Its a joke but it is a fun to watch…
February 24th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Against any smart coach this A-11 wont work and it hasnt…just check out piedmonts record over the past two years…this offence is slowing that team down if u ask me…
February 24th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
DBCoachinBay what school are you from? If your administration loves the A-11 why didn’t you run it? Nobodies whining Dog just stating facts. Chopping in the open field equalizes the playing field but thats illegal in HIgh school. Scam-11 is gone. get over it.
February 24th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Why all this crying in high school about lack of size on the line? You ever watch De La Salle play? They go against the best schools on the Nation and average what year in year out 215-220 on the line. What about St. Pats that team ain’t big or athletic but they play fast, they over achieve. Novato one of the smallest teams I’ve seen. 3 straight CIF championships. You put Novato against any school Oakland to Richmond & every school is bigger & more athletic.
There’s obviously something to it. Its called weight room. Heart. Determination. If all you A-11 guys spent as much time getting tougher as you are getting this offense legalized & figuring out a good play from. You’d be just fine.
February 24th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Any update on the scores to Tuesday’s games?
February 24th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Go to this link for our live scoreboard
http://www.insidebayarea.com/high-school-sports/ci_11777256
February 24th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
thx
February 25th, 2009 at 12:53 am
ANYUWAY LIKE I SAID BEFORE I DON’T HAVE PROBLEM WITH IT BUT TO ME IT IS NOT REAL FOOTBALL WHEN YOU HAVE TO TRY TO SAY WHO IS AN ISN’T ELIGIBLE. TRYING TO TRICK PEOPLE AND ALL THAT STUFF IS BORING OUTDATES STUFF, AND HE SHOULDN’T HAVE TRIED TO GET FAMOUS OFF OF IT. THAT’S WHERE THE PROBLEM STARTED, TRYING TO DO TOO MUCH!
February 25th, 2009 at 6:52 am
BIGGREEN, amen to that.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:58 am
A11 is da bomb and some of you are just afraid to be challenged by stopping new ideas instead of competing.
DBcoachinbay
February 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I’ve alrady coached against it and stoped it so it really doesn’t matter to me. if it was suppose to be here then it would be here that’s really how I look at it. Biut if that is the future of football then I really don’t thnk football is going to be very fun anymore!
February 25th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Since when did football have to be your idea BigGreen?
You mean to tell me if football changes to a way you don’t think it should be, then you won’t like it anymore? That is what you just wrote??????
How about football is great because of the wild and wonderful variations and this new offense is just another one?
Crikey!
February 25th, 2009 at 11:23 am
DBcoachinbay you’re obviously a Piedmont Coach. Who have you beaten in the last 2 years thats any good? How bout Drake this year? Laid an egg to Fortuna at home in the Play-offs. Terrible. Only beat St.Pats this year cuz Blanton out thought himself. Up 21-0 all he had to do was run the ball cuz SCAM-11 will get a lot of plays.
Your the only school in the state that ran that offense. I haven’t heard of it popping up any where even as a package. But I’m sure Bonaguard & XTower will “Stump the Schaub” again. So I guess we’ll see. Don’t not act like its a part of every teams base offense.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Ain’t no piedmont coach but we’ve learned a bunch from them and watching them. And we will be playing them this summer in passing league.
Roeper, you have your facts wrong, check the logs for other teams using A11, Mission in San Francisco, Saddleback down southern cali, and a team up north played against Ferndale.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:27 am
The A11 is obiously a BIG JOKE because piedmont hasnt won any more games in the past 2 years or has won any BIG games besides the one Roeper mentioned…St.Pats and they Barley pulled that one out…Its A Joke and DBcoach u are a piedmont coach…Hope A11 stays gone…
February 26th, 2009 at 12:36 am
These Coaches from piedmont seem like all they want to do is get famous off of a scam of an offence… Like Big Green said doin to much!
February 26th, 2009 at 8:01 am
It does not have to be my idea DBCOACHinbay, I just feel it is no better for the game than what we already have. Just like The Wood just said, they have not won any big games with it so what is the use for it, but i have coached against it and have stopped it, but again the fact that they took it out shows that it doesn’t need to be here. And how has it helped high school football, how, somebody tell me what good it has done. And they did not invent anything, the formation has been around for a while, they just made it a set offense, but it is not that good, the could not even win there league with it. Football is suppose to be Fhysical with an F, not this trickery type of game. If that is the case we should just play Freeball, or catch!So again the problem is that this coach went around trying to get recognition for thos offense, and it backfired on him. Shame on him. Some one said that if the A11 is not real football then the same should be for the spread. Now this is a bogus comment because the spread is simple you still are able to do things that are simple but effective and still can run the ball effectively,and someone said we should then throw out the forward pass,and again that was a not so intelligent comment because we are not aguing about the forward pass, we argue that this does nothing for the future of football period.