- East Bay Prep CornerNCS Division II playoff breakdown
By Kyle Bonagura
Wednesday, November 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pm in General.
Concord (7-1) – (@Ygnacio Valley, Mt. Diablo) – If Concord wins out, it’d be the favorite to get the No. 2 seed. This week’s game with YV poses a bigger test than Mt. D in the finale, so the Minutemen can all but lock up that No. 2 with a win on Saturday.
Casa Grande (7-1) — (@Healdsburg, El Molino) — CG could make a case for the No. 2 seed if it wins out, but the 26-point loss to Petaluma won’t look good compared to a potentially 9-1 Concord team, which would only have one loss — to D-I San Ramon Valley in a close game.
Eureka (6-2) — It’s only game vs an East Bay team aws a 41-8 win over Castlemont. The two losses were to a pair of the Northern Section’s best D-I schools (Shasta, Pleasant Valley-Chico). In league play, the loggers have outscored its over-matched opponents by an average of 45.8 points per game. Seeding-wise its tough to say what the committee will think being Ukiah is the only NCS D-II team they’ve played (a 34-12 win).
Hayward (6-2) — (@Mt. Eden, San Lorenzo) — If Hayward wins out (which it should), it would be 8-2 with losses to San Leandro and Ygnacio. It’s feasible they could be 8-2 with wins over no teams with winning records. That won’t help the seed, but Hayward will be playoff bound.
Montgomery (6-2) — (@Maria Carillo, @Piner) — Monty’s only two losses are to Grant and Casa Grande. They can lock up the North Bay League with a win over Carillo this week. A loss to Carillo would mean a three-way tie atop the standing with those two and Cardinal Newman, which plays Carillo in two weeks.
Windsor (6-2) — (Petaluma, @Analy) — Windsor likely finishes at 7-3, but its 1-3 record against teams with winning records is reason to worry. Petaluma and Analy both have winning records … With a 6-4 record, Windsor is still probably in, but it’ll have a tough first-round game.
Ygnacio Valley (6-1) — (Concord, @College Park) Wins over Clayton Valley, Hayward, Northgate and Mt. Diablo mean YV is in for sure. Next goal: winning the DVAL title. Biggest game of the year is this week for YV.
PROBABLES (5)
It’s possible for one of these teams to get left out, kind of like how it’s possible to get hit by lightning.
Alameda (4-3-1) — (El Cerrito, @ De Anza) Pinole’s loss to El Cerrito was a win for the Hornets. Even if Alameda loses to El Cerrito this week and finishes at 5-4-1 win a win over De Anza next week, a 5-4-1 Alameda team would have the edge on a 6-4 Pinole team because of the head-to-head win. LOCK WITH: One more win.
Cardinal Newman (4-4) — (@Ukiah, Carrillo) — After getting shutout by Montgomery two weeks ago, Newman coach Paul Cronin abandonned the spread offense and installed the double-wing. With its new offense, the Cards put up 40 points in a 19-point win over Rancho Cotate and became postseason eligible. Newman will be favored against Ukiah and Carrillo, so a 6-4 record should be obtainable. LOCK WITH: Win one.
Clayton Valley (6-2) — (@College Park, @Northgate) Need to right the ship this week after a pair of losses to Concord and Ygnacio Valley in the past two weeks. Have to figure CV will still be a favorite in its final two games, but an 8-2 record would still slot CV behind at least six other teams. LOCK WITH: One win.
Pinole Valley (5-2) — (Richmond, @Berkeley) – It has not been a good three-week stretch for PV since starting the year 4-0. With Richmond and Berkeley left anything but a 6-3 record to end the year would be shocking. Expect PV to play up its win over Oakland Tech, which beat Ygnacio Valley. LOCK WITH: Beat Richmond.
Rancho Cotate (4-4) — (Piner, @Santa Rosa) – Its next two opponents are a combined 3-13. Cotate should be 6-4, but a loss to Newman won’t help its seeding … they’ll be somewhere near the bottom. LOCK WITH: Two wins.
BUBBLE (5)
Two of these teams will most likely get left out.
Las Lomas (3-5) — (Dublin, Campolindo) — Lomas is still alive. Wins the next two weeks should be expected with the way Campo and Dublin have been playing. A 5-5 LL team probably gets in.
Maria Carrillo (4-4) — (Montgomery, @Cardinal Newman) – MC is qualified because it has locked up a winning record in league, but with Montgomery and Cardinal Newman left, Carrillo is probably looking at a 4-6 record. LOCK WITH: A win or a Cotate loss.
Mt. Diablo (5-3) — (@Northgate, @Concord) – Big time win over D-I College Park last week made Mt. D postseason eligible. Another win should be coming this week against Northgate, followed by a probable loss to Concord after that. If it beats Northgate it’s a lock, due to its win over San Lorenzo.
Northgate (4-4) — (Mt. Diablo, Clayton Valley) Northgate has played poorly the past three weeks, so to expect the Broncos to beat either of the two teams left on their schedule would be a stretch. It it beats Mt. D, then Northgate would have have an edge of SLz.
San Lorenzo (5-3) — (Arroyo, Hayward) – Losses to Mt. Diablo and Alameda hurt. SLz is postseason eligible, but with Arroyo and Hayward left, it’ll probably end up 5-5 or 6-4. I
Projected field (in a random order):
Petaluma, Concord, Casa Grande, Eureka, Montgomery, Ygnacio Valley, Windsor, Hayward, Alameda, Cardinal Newman, Clayton Valley, Pinole Valley, Rancho Cotate:
Leaving three spots for five teams:
- I think Northgate will lose its final two games (one to Mt. Diablo) and will be knocked out.
- Mt. Diablo has a win over San Lorenzo, so it’s in.
- Using the CalPreps.com projections, the final records for the remaining three should be: Las Lomas 5-5, Maria Carrillo 4-6 and San Lorenzo 6-4.
- Carrillo has a the most impressive win (Rancho Cotate)
- Las Lomas played the toughest schedule
- San Lorenzo would be the only team with a winning record.
That would be a tough call on who to leave out between Carrillo, Las Lomas and San Lorezno. With everything so close, I’d lean toward Carrillo getting left out because it has a losing record. Although, if Carrillo can beat Cardinal Newman or Montgomery it will get in. A Rancho Cotate loss would also get Carrillo in.
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November 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
so how is a 6-2 eureka ahead of a 7-1 ygnacio valley hmmm thats kinda odd?? are these the teams in order or just in random order? i need a explanation
November 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
It’s a random order. Haven’t tried to seed the teams yet.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Seedings would be something like this:
1. Petaluma
2. Concord
3. Casa Grande
4. Montgomery
5. Ygnacio Valley
6. Eureka
7. Clayton Valley
8. Hayward
9. Alameda
10. Windsor
11. Cardinal Newman
12. Pinole Valley
13. Mt. Diablo
14. Rancho Cotate
15. San Lorenzo
16. Las Lomas
Although, because there is so few head-to-head matchups it’s a crapshoot… those could end up being pretty far off depending on the coaches rankings.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Kyle – I have the exact same top 1-7. After that, its a crap shoot.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
concord at #2. Throw ricky throw
November 4th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
MD has some talent. If they beat NG, which they will. They will for sure be in having beat NG and SLZ head to head.
They can do some serious damage and possibly upset a team in the first round
November 4th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Yes, I agree. The YV defense would like Ricky to throw.
Run Patrone, run.
Run Steven, run.
Throw Adam, throw.
This is going to be good.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
so with the 16 teams do the top still get byes?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Seamslike: Be careful what you wish for!
But I do agree this will be good!
November 5th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Where is all this warrior confidence about defending the pass coming from? Who has YV played that can even compitently throw the football? Lots has been said about this game but no one has mentioned the fact the CHS doesnt huddle, is YV conditioned enough to play 4 quarters at that pace?
Can YV play from behind? CHS basically runs a 2 minute offense all game and can onside kick competently, although way too often for my taste, Is YV ready to throw to win?
Concord’s #1 defensive rating should be given some merit.
I am sure you will all have great responses but the only response that matters is the one the kids in blue come up with on saturday.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:10 am
The DVAL gets too much credit. They play no one in the preseason and will tend to be a round robin of wins with in league. None of them will make it past the 2nd round.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:10 am
One fact to note is that Pinole Valley, which is likely the fourth place team in the ACCAL, beat Oakland Tech who won by double figures against two DVAL teams in the playoff hunt (YV and Mt. D).
November 5th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Hitstick that is a very strong point that many have overlooked, I think the ACCAL is a tough league to really evaluate because it’s soooo strong at the top and soooo weak at the bottom, as opposed to the DVAL where all of the teams are just about as bad or good as the next.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:31 am
KillerD’s – Division II potential breakdown:
1. Concord – Petaluma is clamoring for the top seed, but Concord’s strength of schedule, and the close loss to San Ramon bodes will for the Minutemen. They are now a well oiled scoring machine, and after the defeat a very good YV team this week, their place atop the top perch will be reserved for them at the NCS selection meeting.
2. Petaluma – Yes, they should finish undefeated (Windsor Jaguars can beat Petaluma), after that game if they win, Petaluma is supposed to defeat a Div.3 Healdsburg. Give credit to Petaluma Coach Ellison for going 10-0 if they do, he has done a tremendous job either way. But # 2 seed will be fair.
3. Casa Grande – Their mid-season throttling by Petaluma proved two things: 1. Petaluma is better than they are, and 2. Casa Grande is better than every other team in their league and will finish a very nice 9-1 and a top 3 seed because they are supposed to beat every team in their league.
4. Ygnacio Valley – At (8-2) if they lose to Concord, it will be a close call but the Warriors deserve the # 4 slot ahead of other battalions beneath them. Wins count more than losses do, and YV beating Clayton, Hayward and Mt. Diablo, is better than Montgomery’s best three wins.
5. Montgomery – Will be kicking and screaming about not being ranked above YV, but no way they finish (8-2) with YV’s schedule, instead they would probably be 7-3 or 6-4.
6. Eureka – The Loggers are the victims of a rapidly free-falling Redwood Empire football scene that breaks the heart of every NCS high school football fan witnessing its sudden death. Eureka is big and strong, but their (8-2) record is built upon straw legs, and they would likely finish (7-3 or 6-4) vs. the top tiered teams schedule.
7. Clayton Valley – They should defeat their last two opponents but will struggle vs. College Park and Northgate in doing so. When a team gets hot or rolling is nearly as important as its overall record entering the playoffs. Losses to YV and Concord have let the steam out of the valiant Ugly Eagles – and it could be a sign of things to come for them.
8. Windsor – A sneaky good team, snake-bitten vs. Casa Grande, a game in which they could not afford to make those key mistakes and expect to win. Nipping at the heals of Clayton Valley but still good enough to get a top 8 seed.
9. Alameda – Unless a team finishes (10-0), then they always have at least One Bad game. The Hornets desperately wish they could get a Do Over for their sloppy Tie vs. Bishop Odowd. In as much as finishing (6-3-1), the NCS committee will not be able to overlook that Tie, and it will drop Alameda into the 9th slot, because they are supposed to beat El Cerrito this weekend anyway.
10. Hayward – A team that could recall the Farmers’ better years and get hot, turn loose the athletes and upset some teams in the Playoffs. But, their embarrassing loss to Rival San Leandro does not sit will with such a lopsided score and puts them at tenth seed.
11. Pinole Valley – Spartans have always enough talent to burn, and Championship Coach Steve Alameda knows how to usually get them clicking. But, a horrible but close loss to El Cerrito denies Pinole from moving higher. If they keep it close vs. Berkeley in their upcoming defeat vs. the Yellow Jackets, it will help their cause with nobility. But, if they get terribly blown out, then Pinole will tumble further down.
12. Mt. Diablo – The Red Devils have made huge improvements during the last three years and were hoping to be realistically at (6-2 or 7-1) right now, instead of 5-3. The reason they are ahead of Cardinal Newman; is they have a better record and a lot more athletes capable of turning out an upset of a higher seed, and a better schedule too.
13. Cardinal Newman – The very proud program is getting by in 2009 with a lot of Smoke and a Fun House of Mirrors. This team is nothing like its predecessors, and at (4-4) is struggling in a downer league year, and they simply have no athletes of note when compared to Concord, Pinole, YV, Hayward, Mt. Diablo and the likes. It will be an early exit for CN in 2009 from the playoffs.
14. San Lorenzo – Give the Rebels some love but only rank them 14th? How does that work in the political swamp known as NCS Committee “Behind Close Doors” playoff rankings and pairings? Hmmm…Well, San Lorenzo will Lose to Hayward in their season finale and finish a nice (6-4). They will then take the requisite 2-hour bus trip up to Casa Grande (Petaluma) and receive a Total Body Wax in the Rain by CG.
15. Rancho Cotate – The Cougars used to put fear into the heart of their opponents, especially when teams had to play them at home. But, similar to CN (who beat them), this year’s Cotate is a shell of itself when compared to recent success gone by. It will be one and out for Cotate in 2009 in the playoffs as well.
16. Las Lomas – The VERY down Knights led by outstanding Field General Coach Longero will struggle vs. a down Campo and manage to finish (5-5). It will be a fitting end to a brutal 2009 campaign to reach.500%, but as every good coach knows, “Good Talent makes you a better coach,” and when LL must face Concord on the road in the first-round playoffs, the Knights will be gutted & on the Wrong End of a Merciless Playoff Joust.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:56 am
KillerD – You can not tell me that Concord has any strength in their schedule, except for SRV. De Anza, Jefferson, Skyline, College Park, Northgate???? ALL Cupcakes. Peteluma has at least a majority of DII wins.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If Concord wins out,they will have also have beaten 2 solid teams in YV and MD, which would boost their strength of schedule beyond what it has been to this point. CP did beat Alhambra, but De Anza, Jefferson & Skyline is not exactly Murderer’s Row.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Good breakdown KillerD, however, I’ll point out one thing in your process that I think is a little flawed.
In D-I, you think an undefeated Deer Valley team should get the nod over DLS for No. 1, even though DLS’s strength of schedule is the toughest in all of Northern California.
In D-2, you say Concord’s strength of schedule is enough to warrant them leaping an undefeated Petaluma team to get the No. 1 seed.
If you think Deer Valley should be No. 1 at D-I, the same logic should be used in selecting Petaluma as the No. 1 D-II.
Just my two cents …. I’ll still stick with DLS and Petaluma as the No. 1 seeds, if they both win out.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:57 am
IF Concord wins out, and this is a BIG IF, they will have beaten 1 solid team (YV) Prep Fan. And Pink Socks Concord gets no merit for having a good defense when their stats are from playing De Anza (a team that has scored 24 points total in 8 games while giving up 397 and counting) a weak Jefferson and Skyline. Let’s be real… Concord is over rated and lost the one true test they’ve had all year when they played a down San Ramon Valley team. The score wasn’t even indicative of how the game was even played. They were behind the whole game and couldn’t overcome a 21-0 deficit.
YV has been behind in at least three games this year so however asked can they come from behind the answer is yes… In fact Clayton Valley led YV twice in the game and YV answered back with scores both times before SHUTTING them down in the 4th qtr and taking the game away from them.
The question should be can Concord play from behind instead of YV? The only time they were ever behind in a game they lost. Might work against them in a real game against a good team. Sometimes being over confident gets you burned.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Kyle-
BTW, is the NCS selection committee “fully” anonymous? How many members? League affiliation? Etc.?
Kind of like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid….”Hey Kid, who ARE those guys?”
November 5th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Killer D stop acting like you know what the hell you’re talking about please. Concord’s strength of schedule bodes well for the Minutemen… WHAT?????
De Anza (0-8, scored 24 points in 8 games, given up 397) They played them last year as well and they were 1-9.
Jefferson 4-4, 2-8 in 2008
Skyline 2-6, 1-9 last year
Northgate 4-4, 1-9 last year
You were obviously high when you wrote what you said.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
The ONLY win Concord can even remotely be proud of is the one over Clayton Valley. A well coached team that became a little one dimension because they lost some key players.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Oh I guess with two games left in the regular season it’s not too early to start seeding teams huh?
Funny how everyone has the seedings pretty close to what I had two weeks ago when there were still four games left to play.
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Based on how the teams played THIS YEAR to date and not just on rep the playoff picture should be like this:
#1 Petaluma 7-0… enough said
#2 Windsor 6-1
#3 Casa Grande 6-1
#4 Ygnacio Valley 6-1… with a quality win over Hayward and a lost to another quality team in Oakland Tech, they deserve to be seeded higher than Concord. They’re head to head game will settle this issue completely.
#5 Concord 6-1… #5 based on very weak non-league schedule compared to the rest of the 6-1 teams. (wins over De Anza 0-8 /PF:24 PA:387, Jefferson 3-4/PF:166 PA:189 and Skyline 2-5/PF:104 PA:249)
#6 Clayton Valley 6-1
#7 Pinole Valley 5-1
#8 Montgomery 5-2
#9 Eureka 5-2
#10 Hayward 5-2 (based on having 2 more wins than a 3-4 Cardinal Newman and not reputation of past)
#11 Rancho Cotate 4-3
#12 Mt.Diablo 4-3 (based on a WINNING record as opposed to a 3-3-1 Alameda as well as a win over a common opponent that Alameda lost to that also has a winning record in 4-3 San Lorenzo)
Cardinal Newman and Alameda? Until they both win more games they shouldn’t even be in the discussion.
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Someone please tell me why a 3-5 Las Lomas deserves to even be a part of the D2 landscape other than what they’ve done in the past? That arguement holds no water when they’re teams who have earned a chance based on wins and losses (which happens to be one of the criteria for getting in the playoffs).
If they expand the bracket to 16 teams it will be a joke.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
To FootballSmart-
Your D2 playoff rankings are interesting, and it will be intriguing to see how it actually comes out. My money has Alameda getting in for sure per my post above.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
KillerD I would have to agree with your statement about Alameda getting in for sure. The Smart guy, well you have falling off the charts. How do you put Pinole ahead of Alameda?? Alameda smashed Pinole 23-6 even after playing a solid Berkeley team and holding them to 27 points. On a side note the NCS playoff should be consistent across the leagues as well. Having 4 DVAL teams in DII is not right. YV is going to run through Concord on Sat. Watch out!
November 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
If you read what I wrote this was TWO weeks ago. The rankings I had were based on the fact that Alameda was 3-3-1. As I stated TWO weeks ago, until Alameda wins some games they shouldn’t even be in the discussion. Obviously they’ve since won and are now 4-3-1. You only pointing out the obvious on something I said TWO weeks ago.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Killer D tell me how you look the coach at Carrillo in the eye and tell him a 3-5 Las Lomas deserves to get in the playoffs over his team that has more wins?
November 5th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
What’s the point of comparing a 3-5 las lomas team to carrilo? In case you forgot, it’s a 10 game season
November 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
PAY ATTENTION punsiher… The point is how can a person pick one to team be in the playoffs with a losing record over a team that doesn’t?
We all know it’s a 10 game season moron. That’s not the point!!! Follow the string of dialogue before you chime in.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
It’s easy. They are projecting out the season and picking a team based on what they think will happen over 10 games.
It makes no sense to pick playoff teams based on 80% of the schedule.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
This whole playoff system is indicative of what’s going on in this country and what we are teaching these kids. Be mediocre, it’s okay, we’ll just change the criteria so you don’t have to actually earn or work for anything. We’ll expand the number of teams from 12 to 16 so the Cardinal Newman’s and Las Lomas’s can still have bad years and make the playoffs because after all they deserve to get in based on their past alone anyway.
All you other schools who have finally started working hard and earning your spot in the playoffs don’t count, we want to expand it so we can continue to award the good ole boys.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Punisher, that’s BS and we both know it. WHY F’in play the games then if we use that dumb ass logic. Just hand the F’in trophy over to DLS, Cardinal Newman and the Las Lomas every year then?
November 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Simmer down Smart Guy! Let’s stay in the present and good luck with your future projections.
Carrillo will make it in, once the DVAL hounds realize that Mt. Diablo is not a playoff team.
Las Lomas had better win out if they want to be even a 16 seed. They loose and they should be out!
November 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Maybe you didn’t realize this, but you don’t win NCS by what people write on blogs.
Should we pretend there aren’t any game left in the year? Itd be stupid not to factor in what’s still to come in the season.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
You simmer down Olinecoach. Why don’t you tell the guys who started the discussion to stay in the present? I’m just answering based on what someone else started.
If Mt. Diablo wins or even finishes 5-5 the desereve at least consideration for the playoffs and they deserve to be in for sure if the go 6-4 which more than likely will happen given who they play on Saturday, after all they will have earned it over a 3-7 or even a 5-5 Las Lomas. And again if they expand the bracket it will be the biggest joke of the year. All done just to get las Lomas in Cardinal Newman in the playoffs.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
They increased the brackets, so NCS can make more money on the extra games. That can bring in at least $40K to the NCS! PLAY BALL and let the losing teams go home.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
footballsmart
what time does practice start? come on coach you should be breaking film or checking your players eligibilty or making playcards or something, don’t forget your whistle.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
According to your logic Punisher, you’ve already factored in and given Las Lomas the wins over Dublin and Campolindo then right?
And NO, I always thought the NCS was won based on what everyone writes in the blogs, after all, some of you are already seeding teams and determining who is in and who should and shouldn’t get in before all the games have been played.
Your whole point is a contradiction of your own statement.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
That’s the best response you can come up with Pink Socks? You should change your name to a color of socks that MEN wear so you don’t get a whistle shoved up your rear. But then again you probably like that anyway.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
And is this increase of money going back to the schools? Probably not!!!
November 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
yawn…
November 5th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
So what position group do you coach, my guess is corners and secondary? Because of your vehement defense of that position group.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
You gotta be a little off in the brain/heart to think that a few more hard working prep teams getting into the playoffs and some added much-needed resources going to prep sports administration would be a bad thing.
Your odd speculation that it is all some plot to get certain specific teams in the playoffs is pretty goofball as well.
More kids getting a chance to play an extra game or two, more local playoff football, and more money during tough times to keep everything going for prep sports, what in this equation is bad?
The best teams will still win out as indicated by their play on the field. You gotta win when it counts to take home the trophy. Onward!
November 5th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
hitstick i mean kemp i know y u think like that more teams cuz u know 12 teams is cutting it close. your right though good teams win anyways in da playoffs that’s y yur always 1 & done! wat good teams have da hornets beat?
November 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
hitstick you guys were so happy to tie a weak team like o’dowd. you guys played b-high & encinal playoff teams how’d those games turn out? over at half! u guys did’nt even score a touchdown til the 4th quater.
November 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Hitstick you’ve been reading too many Alice in Wonderland books if you’re naive enough to think that and really believe all you say..
It is widely known (at least amongst all the coaches who actually coach HS football) that there is a great deal of politics that goes into who gets in the playoffs and who doesn’t. Part of the at-large picking process is left up to the coaches and you don’t think some of them don’t have an axe to grind against another for one reason or another?
I didn’t just happen upon the HS football scene by the way. There are some people involved in the process who have their own agendas and are in the position to influence people involved in the process either directly or indirectly.
You’re probably also one of those people who also believes the lottery is helping our schools too as the budget gets cut every year and some kids at certain schools have to share text books now too.
That money is probably going straight into the pockets of the administrators just like it does in the NCAA and the University administrators of major colleges. So my speculation is far from being odd. You’re probably one of them and explains your defense of the process.
You gotta be stupid if you think a team with a losing record getting into the playoffs is an indication of hard work because with expansion of the field that’s what is left to get in the playoffs jerk. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE D2 Standings for a taste of what the field will look like when 16 of 25 teams can make it dumb ass.
These kids are being exploited so the people like you who sell you all this about kids getting extra games to play and having money during tough times can line their pockets because their salaries as administrators at their schools and districts were cut.
In a one game situation which opens the possibilities for many upsets the best team won’t necessarily win either. You’re kidding yourself if you really believe that will be the case. Mark my words.
November 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
football smart don’t believe hitstick he just wants to get in da playoffs. alameda could’nt even beat newark memorial at home! newark can’t complete a pass to save there a$$!
November 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
hitstick y do you believe your a playoff team? pinole is sorry they can’t throw either. kemp man quit beggin u know nothing about winning in the postseason!
November 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Thanks Guru-Black because that’s a prime example of my point.
Either lazy ass coaches or coaches who don’t know enough about football who cry to get the field expanded because they didn’t do a good enough job of earning wins to get their team in the playoff. And their administrator is probably on the board or has some influence over the selection process so they change the rules to their benefit.
All this stuff about giving kids the chance to play more games and make more money for their school when they don’t give the winning teams squat is pure BS and I’ve been around long to know it.
If they did it anywhere remotely like the NCAAA you would probably see a lot more coaches trying harder to be winners and some schools would never sniff the playoffs. But it would also widen the field for corruption too because after all the kids playing the game would always get the short end of the stick.
November 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Please check no 8 wr for san leandro and look at the stats , they are truly amazing , look at the yards per catch , what school is this kid going to ???
November 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Hey all you YV fans, didn’t Skyline beat Oakland Tech?
November 5th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Who B Wha,
Oakland Tech beat Skyline 42-26.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Who B Wha get your eyes examined. Oakland Tech won 46-26. They may have beaten them in the past but certainly not this year.
Hey Who B Wha… what’s Skyline’s record? 2 and 6?
What’s Oakland Tech? 6 and 2 right?
and YV is 7 and 1 correct?
If you need and the other Skyline fans need tickets to go watch them in the playoff games let me know alright. We all know Skyline won’t be in them.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
3:35-5:47
FOOTBALLSMART
PRACTICE TIMES
November 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Kyle Bonagura Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Good breakdown KillerD, however, I’ll point out one thing in your process that I think is a little flawed.
In D-I, you think an undefeated Deer Valley team should get the nod over DLS for No. 1, even though DLS’s strength of schedule is the toughest in all of Northern California.
In D-2, you say Concord’s strength of schedule is enough to warrant them leaping an undefeated Petaluma team to get the No. 1 seed.
If you think Deer Valley should be No. 1 at D-I, the same logic should be used in selecting Petaluma as the No. 1 D-II.
Just my two cents …. I’ll still stick with DLS and Petaluma as the No. 1 seeds, if they both win out.
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WOW Kyle, sounds like you are contradicting your own point. If Deer Valley wins out (meaning they’re undefeated) you’re telling me the same argument doesn’t apply in regards to DLS that it does with Petaluma? I guess your point matters most. Talk about obvious bias…
November 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Pink Socks write something worth responding to for a change will ya.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
You’re misinterpreting what I wrote.
All I was pointing out was that if KillerD was going slot Deer Valley at No. 1 using the reasoning that they were undefeated and DLS was not, and that same reasoning was used Division-II, then Petaluma would be seeded at No. 1 over Concord.
I wasn’t saying that was the reasoning I used. Not sure where the bias is in that…
November 5th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
’ll still stick with DLS and Petaluma as the No. 1 seeds, if they both win out.
Remember saying that?
Sounds like bias to me if Deer Valley goes undefeated also. Where is the misinterpretation? Sounds pretty clear to me. Don’t see why you can’t understand it?
November 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I think the NCS committee would give a 8-2 DLS team the No. 1 seed over Deer Valley because it would have rolled through the sections toughest’s league undefeated and lost to two top-10 national teams. It was a far tougher schedule than that of Deer Valley or Berkeley.
Neither Concord nor Ygnacio Valley will have a strong enough strength of schedule to warrant passing Petaluma if Petaluma finishes undefeated.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
No matter how you word it or re-word it. It’s still the same bias.
As T.O. once put it, “If it looks like a rat, smells, like a rat, and acts like a rat, it’s a freakin rat!!!
I know bias when I see it. Who gives a rat’s behind that DLS scheduled two top-10 national teams? Losing the game is the risk you take in scheduling anyone. So penalize Deer Valley because they didn’t take the same risk as DLS???
Biggest bunch of horse crap I’ve ever heard in my life. If you beat every team you play you should be the number one team until somebody beats you. If DLS is all that then there should be no problem seeding them where they belong based on their record and letting them beat the other teams to get to Deer Valley and beat them.
But you writers and the NCS committee want to make it as easy as possible for them by just handing them the number one seed and say sorry DV, you running the table means nothing to us.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
By your logic Kyle, USC should be the #1 team in college football because after all they play one of the toughest schedules in the nation. Screw the fact that they lost a few games. Sorry Oregon, we’re giving the Pac-10 title to the Trojans.
November 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
At least the NCAA football poll ranks teams according to wins and losses first. You don’t see a single one loss team ranked higher than an undefeated team regardless of anyone’s opinion about their schedule.
That only comes into play when ranking teams with identical records. HS football in this area should take a page from this book and reward teams based on merit.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
By the same logic FootballSmart, if Deer Valley is so good than there should be no problem with them winning the NCS title out of the No. 2 seed. The logic you’re using would ruin the high school football regular season because teams would just schedule a bunch of cupcakes so they could go undefeated and earn the top seed. We wouldn’t have any interesting showdowns against top out-of-state or out-of-section teams.
Obviously you have a bug up your arse about everything Kyle says and you have it in your mind that the media is all some conspiracy theory. But really, your just making yourself look stupid by constantly trying to attack Kyle when everybody else that follows this site knows he possesses a trustworthy opinion.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Hey smart guy. I would love to know where you actually coach. I would schedule your team in a heart beat. You speak straight nonsense.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
hahaha it never ends with this guy. I guess Ferndale is better than De La, Ferndale is undefeated
November 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Exactly ThePunisher!!! This guy is a tool!
November 5th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I have a bug up my arse about you too with the straw man argument you just made Hsfbfan.
Why should Deer Valley be seeded anything but #1 if no one has beaten them? You can’t argue that point no matter how hard you try for the simple fact that it can’t be the same logic. Deer Valley shouldn’t have to accept a lower seed for earning the top seed for beating every body they played, it’s that simple.
Bias is bias and it’s obvious you’re just as biased towards DLS as everyone else. And teams already schedule cupcakes, so what you’re saying already happens anyway. And some of it isn’t intentional simply based on the fact that just like in college football you can schedule a team in advance when they were good but they became a cupcake by the time you got them on your schedule. Is that the kids fault? No, they beat the teams they have to play. Real simple.
And if you factor in the fact that you might play in a league where every body but you is a cupcake is that your teams fault as well? So your point really has no merit. The logic I used would do no more harm to HS football than what’s already being done to it by telling a team so what you worked hard to beat every team, it means nothing because this team scheduled more harder teams than you but LOST the games.
If you schedule cupcakes just to stack your record it will all come out in the wash anyway when you get in the playoffs and get your head handed to you by a legit team, so once again your point is moot.
The media is not some conspiracy theory dumb ass but they do influence the thoughts of people either directly or indirectly by what they write and sometimes what they write is just that persons OPINION. Only dumb asses like you obviously believe everything you read and don’t have an original thought of your own.
He’s even at times admitted to not even having seen the teams he writes about play in person or watch any game film on a particular team. Yet influence many people into believing every word he says as if it’s the gospel.
You saying I look stupid is just your opinion and it’s worth zero to me. I don’t talk about teams I’ve never seen play though so you can go you know where as far as I’m concern and keep believing what you want to believe.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Olinecoach, (if you’re really one) don’t worry about where I coach. You probably coach a team that sucks too which explains all your BS as well. If you knew where I coached even though I never said I was a coach (just your assumption) I’m sure you would want no part of my team. I have no doubt you would get your butts kicked.
You’re right hsfbfan, I’m a tool. A much sharper one than you obviously since you have nothing else to say other than that.
And punisher once again you show how ignorant you are. I never said Ferndale or any one else that has neither played or beaten DLS was better than them but I know for a FACT there are at least two that are you moron.
The only way to prove Ferndale is better is for them to play each other right? Thanks for helping me make my point. The only way to prove DLS is better than DV is for them to play each other. DLS as any seed other than the #1 seed since they didn’t earn it on the field by beating the teams THEY decided to schedule.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
By the way keep the personal attacks coming… I LOVE IT!!!
It only goes to prove that when you have nothing else to say or don’t like the message just shoot the messenger or attack him personally.
That’s why I’d out coach any of you any day of the week.
November 5th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
footballsmart…what NCAA poll are you talking about? AP polls currently have a one loss Oregon team ranked above undefeated Iowa. The last few weeks in every poll including the BCS a one loss USC was ranked ahead of undefeated CIncy, Boise, Iowa, and TCU. Need to revise your comment. They do look at strength of schedule otherwise explain why a three loss Mississippi team was ahead of a 2 loss Notre Dame a week ago. Why? Because they play in the toughest conference in college football therefore strength of schedule is that much tougher. They do look at strength of schedule.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Renegade I’m talking about the one that counts more, the BCS standings…
as you see below, there is no one loss team ranked above an undefeated team.
BCS STANDINGS – UPDATED: NOVEMBER 1, 2009
RK Team W-L Harris Coaches CPU % BCS
RK Points % RK Points % Prev Avg
1 Florida 8-0 1 2803 .9835 1 1463 .9919 1.0000 1 .992
2 Texas 8-0 2 2714 .9523 2 1395 .9458 .8700 3 .923
3 Alabama 8-0 3 2672 .9375 3 1390 .9424 .8700 2 .917
4 Iowa 9-0 7 2209 .7751 6 1161 .7871 .9600 4 .841
5 Cincinnati 8-0 5 2281 .8004 7 1150 .7797 .8300 8 .803
6 TCU 8-0 6 2226 .7811 4 1182 .8014 .8200 6 .801
7 Boise State 8-0 4 2313 .8116 5 1176 .7973 .7500 7 .786
8 Oregon 7-1 8 2148 .7537 8 1079 .7315 .8100 10 .765
9 LSU 7-1 9 2070 .7263 9 1062 .7200 .6900 9 .712
10 Georgia Tech 8-1 11 1775 .6228 11 934 .6332 .6300 11 .629
11 Penn State 8-1 10 1809 .6347 10 966 .6549 .5600 12 .617
12 USC 6-2 12 1415 .4965 13 729 .4942 .6100 5 .534
13 Pittsburgh 7-1 15 1282 .4498 14 694 .4705 .4000 15 .440
14 Utah 7-1 16 1121 .3933 16 567 .3844 .4900 16 .423
15 Houston 7-1 14 1303 .4572 15 672 .4556 .3500 18 .421
16 Ohio State 7-2 13 1369 .4804 12 730 .4949 .1600 17 .378
17 Miami (FL) 6-2 17 1111 .3898 17 549 .3722 .3500 19 .371
18 Arizona 5-2 21 598 .2098 19 320 .2169 .3500 20 .259
19 Oklahoma State 6-2 18 690 .2421 18 371 .2515 .1600 14 .218
20 California 6-2 22 385 .1351 23 197 .1336 .3600 24 .210
21 Wisconsin 6-2 24 295 .1035 22 204 .1383 .3400 0 .194
22 Notre Dame 6-2 20 657 .2305 21 281 .1905 .1500 23 .190
23 Virginia Tech 5-3 23 333 .1168 24 193 .1308 .2200 13 .156
24 Oklahoma 5-3 19 673 .2361 20 313 .2122 .0000 0 .149
25 South Florida 6-2 26 176 .0618 26 65 .0441 .1300 0 .079
November 5th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
That’s why they created the BCS. the same problems they had with college football like they do in this area with HS football. Want to make it as unbiased as possible.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
As you may know Renegade, the polls are not completely reliable since the AP poll is done by sports writers (most of which are from East Coast papers) that rarely see teams west of the Mississippi play so their bias is usually slanted towards East coast teams with exception to USC and UCLA. The coaches poll (which also has some bias since some coaches have axes to grind against other coaches) and then a newly created Harris poll which neither the coaches or writers like.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
DLS has proven on the field time and time again that it is the best team. That’s not something that’s built up by biases in the media or anywhere else. It’s simply what has happened on the field.
But, in respect of your opinion, tell me how you differentiate between Deer Valley and Berkeley, since both teams are undefeated?
November 5th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
And fyi, I’m not a DLS fan. You just have to respect what they have done.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
One other thing as I read over your rant calling me a dumb ass (yet you say I’m the one who attacking you and that you’re a sharp tool): Just because I agree with the thought process of someone else, doesn’t mean I don’t have my own original thoughts. It just means that I agree in this situation. If I didn’t agree, I’d express those opinions as well.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
So you are saying you would put one loss team that comes out of the Sun Belt conference over a team that has two or even three losses coming out of the SEC by your logic? I want to ask you this question let’s say for instance DLS was in a league with Livermore, Mission San Jose, Freedom, Liberty, and De Anza. And their non league games were all against winless teams. And DLS went 10-0 playing these horrid teams. On the other hand DV went undefeated through league beating Amador, Cal, Berkeley, Pitt, Monte Vista and all of their non league games were against nationally ranked opponents and they lost only one game to the number one team in the country by one point. You would seed DLS ahead of them in the NCS playoffs?
November 5th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/9812962_37_1.pdf
BCS standings last year through November. Why are Ball State, Boise State and Utah are all ranked behind teams that lost when they were undefeated? Comparing college to high school is apples to oranges.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
hey YV fans. Didn’t Castlemont beat oakland tech??
November 5th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Football smart, I kinda agree with you but for a different reason. There is a DLS bias. But it’s based on past accomplishments. Kinda like UNC & Duke always being in line for a #1 seed. Every coach I know that’s not in the club just excepts it. When it’s the same people making the rules enforce the rules with no checks and balances what can you do? The way they can justify the #1 ranking is by saying that the 2 teams that no one else in our area could have an opportunity to play doesn’t contribute to their SOS. Or by simply saying that they would have beat anyone else too. It’s just their elitist mentality. Almost like “Mommy said so and that’s it.” I watched the Lakeland game 3 times and Lakeland look very bored. They went from out quicking DLS to making mental errors against the DLS novocaine offense. And at 1st glance I thought they were simply out coached. But that wasn’t it. It was the ugly girl syndrome. If you let her keep hanging around eventually she’ll have you.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
never mind they play this week
November 5th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Lakeland makes mental errors against every team they play. I read somewhere where their first three or four games they had over ten penalties. Had nothing to do with being bored, just undisciplined. And I would say that is the game where DLS started to find some offense and it carried over.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Hsfbfan, there is no questioning DLS’s success “OVER TIME” but you have to admit that them going undefeated year after year has created a bias towards them that you and everyone else won’t admit to and now use to give them an advantage even when they have not earned it on the field.
THIS YEAR, they have TWO losses. Sorry to say, this is a fact and rewarding them for their past is not fair nor should it be the sole reason to seed them ahead of a team that is PRESENTLY UNDEFEATED yet happens to be in the same NCS division as them. Sports is a what have you done lately deal or in this case should be. DLS should not be rewarded for what has happened on the field in PAST years.
In the case of differentiating between Berkeley and Deer Valley I would have to seed Deer Valley higher. And before anyone tries to say anything, the difference here is real simple… BOTH teams are undefeated so now their schedule plays more a part of seeing who is more deserving of a higher seed.
The two common opponents they had were Freedom and Pittsburg. They both beat Freedom pretty bad and they both had two point wins over Pitt so that’s a wash. The thing that separates the two schools is the fact that Berkeley played De Anza, Richmond, Hercules and Castro Valley, weakening their schedule to Deer Valley’s and thus Deer Valley deserves to be the higher seed.
DLS took a risk in playing Don Bosco Prep and Lakeland and thus should suffer the consequences of taking such a risk and losing both games since they had a choice in scheduling those two teams and don’t deserve to be the #1 seed just because of it. A loss is a loss.
I’m not a DLS fan or a fan of any particular team in HS. In fact I went to De Anza and will be the first to admit that they suck and have no history of success in football but fair is fair and DLS THIS YEAR has not earned a #1 seed no matter how much respect I have for the program.
And hsfbfan, you started the insults by calling me a tool. If you can’t take the heat after getting back as good as you get then don’t dish it out. Real simple. But don’t expect me to sit back and get insulted by everyone and not give it back to you. I have no problem with you agreeing with the thought process of someone else either, that’s your business. Unlike you though I’m not going to agree with the thought process of someone who bases their on opinion with no FACTS to back up the thought though. If you want to do that then knock yourself out.
But as I stated before, the person you all agree with has already admitted to not know much about some of the teams he makes statements about. He’s admitted to never having seen them play either so again be a sheep and follow every word he says.
Renegade, to answer your question… YES. A one loss team out of the Sun Belt earned the right to be seeded higher than a three loss team out of the SEC, it’s happened before with other teams in college football and if that team was a shame then it would come out in the bowl game.
Boise State proved it when they beat Oklahoma in a bowl game a few years back and no look at their program. They get respect despite the conference they play in because they earned it on the field. If everyone went by Oklahoma’s rep alone they would have never played each other.
And if you’re going to throw another straw man argument at me about DLS at least make it more realistic. DLS has been beating weak teams for years and built a rep on it. Once they got better they scheduled better so there’s no point in even answering that question about them being in the same league with De Anza.
And punisher, why don’t you direct your question to the NCAA? It’s the whole point. The same thing happening in college football is happening in HS football. Why do you think there is still the controversy there is in college football about the whole BCS system. The obvious bias!!! That’s why it’s not comparing apples to oranges. The same thing goes on on both levels. Thanks for helping me once again prove my point.
As long as the Ball State’s, Utah’s and Boise State’s keep getting their chances when they earn them and beating teams like Boise State did against Oklahoma you’re going to continue to have a problem.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Yeah WannaKnow, I hear you. I lived in both Florida and Georgia and been to Texas where HS football is much bigger than it is in California and they settle things on the field like you should. I knew long ago that once DLS started playing teams outside the Bay Area the shine would come off their rep a bit. You will probably never see them schedule a team from Texas or Georgia I bet.
Minuteman what is your point? So what Castlemont beat Oakland Tech, who the hell cares but you? Hey Minuteman, didn’t San Ramon Valley beat Concord? See how easy it is to make a comparison when YV didn’t play San Ramon Valley or Castlemont and Concord didn’t play Oakland Tech it all means nothing. let’s see what you say after YV beats Concord though. Will it still matter that Castlemont beat Oakland Tech to you?
November 5th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
To be honest a 1 or 2 ranking doesn’t really matter anyway cause they’ll “accidently” screw up the seedings again this year anyway. It’s just now the committee members don’t have to worry about being confronted by a coach outside after they give him the shaft. I’m still wondering how 2 coaches that almost got into a physical altercation after one’s comment directly kept the other out of the div 1 playoffs end up facing each other in the 1st round the very next year. Coincidence…. I think not. I never understood how we calculate SOS here anyway. So a team that plays really good teams but doesn’t beat any of them is ranked higher for playoffs then a team that beat everyone it plays?
November 5th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
And before you come on to talk smack Minutewoman, get your facts straight. Obviously Castlemont didn’t play Oakland Tech yet and you now look like a complete idiot for what you said. But even if they had no one would care becuase it has no bearing on the YV Concord game whatsoever.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I have always marveled at southern high school. It’s religion down there man. I maybe the only person that doesn’t give “The Streak” that much credit. By going independent DLS was able to pick and choose opponents. They did not play all comers as one might think. For that entire period they avoided Florida and Texas. Hell, they’re still avoiding Texas. It’s like European hoops closed the gap on USA basketball after the dream team. The gap between DLS and the rest of the bay is closing fast. Because Bay Area football is starting to close the gap on the rest of California and soon the rest of the nation. Lad isn’t getting the players he used too. Now other schools have more to offer.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Wannaknow…
They probably calculate SOS by what the writers who rarely go the games say about teams. I’ve kept up with the stories from the beginning of the season and you’d be amazed at how off most of the pre-season predictions are. For example, according to the writers Jefferson was picked to win their league before the season started.
Clayton Valley was picked to finish first again and YV was supposed to be fourth in the DVAL. Goes to show how much they really know.
They also go by what the coaches say too and look at how this works out.
CRITERIA FOR AT-LARGE SELECTION
The criteria for selection of at-large teams for NCS/Les Schwab Tires Championship Series in football shall be a balance
between:
1) Record over-all
a. League/Place co-champion
b. Non-league (pre-season-other)
2) Strength of Schedule
a. Record against top 3 opponents
b. Record against teams in the same division
List your most significant victories/defeats
c. Record against teams in a higher division
List your most significant victories
d. Head-to-head against teams which have qualified or are being considered.
e. Record against common opponents
f. Coaches’ Rating
You automatically get in if you win your league so you can suck against non-league teams and then run the table or even be a .500 team in league and still make the playoffs. Works well for teams in a weak league.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
You better be careful wannaknow, the DLS cronies will jump all over you like they did me because you’re smart enough to see the forrest for the trees.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Here is the rest of the criteria for getting in the playoffs.
2009 NCS FOOTBALL DIVISIONS-refer to the http://www.cifncs Football home page
FORMAT AND ENTRIES
1. Minimum Qualifying Record
To be accepted as a participant in the NCS/Les Schwab Tires Football Championships, a team shall have compiled
an overall record of at least an equal number of wins and losses; or an overall record of at least an equal number of
wins and losses against teams in its own division; or at least an equal number of wins and losses in its own league.
(Board of Managers 5/1/06)
Exception: league champions shall gain automatic entry.
a. “Teams in its own division” is defined as any team (note exception b and c below) whose grades 9-12
enrollment fall within the school’s NCS Football Division or has petitioned to a higher division.
b. Games against teams outside of the United States will not be counted in determining the “winning record
within a division”.
c. When a team’s petition is approved to play in a division of greater enrollment, that division for which the
team is approved shall be its division for the respective year.
2. Automatic Qualification of League Champion
Each league’s championship school shall automatically qualify for its (school’s) respective NCS Football playoff
division.
3. Designated League Champion
The team designated as the league winner receives the automatic berth in the section championships. The league
determines prior to the season, in writing, how the league winner is determined. If a league has more than one
winner, i.e., round-robin winner and playoff winner, the league will determine which winner gets the automatic
berth. For North Coast Section purposes that designee is the league champion.
4. At-Large Teams (See Bylaws 511H through 516H of the NCS Sports & General Rulings Handbook)
After each league championship school has been placed in its respective division’s bracket, any remaining berths in
the divisions’ bracket shall be filled with at-large teams selected from schools which are classified in the respective
division.
5. At-Large Meeting Attendance
Coaches, or their representatives, whose teams are either automatic qualifiers or are applying for an at-large berth
must attend and represent their teams at the respective division at-large meeting.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Works well for any team in a weak league except D-1. It works to their detriment. For instance, We know that Berkeley deserves a playoff spot. However let’s say they are forced to forfeit their 1st league game due to an ineligible player and don’t receive the automatic bid from their league. You can’t tell me that the committee would still give them a top 4 seed. We know they wouldn’t. The question is how far would they fall? My answer, pretty damn far because I am told “they don’t play anyone.” Remember nothing has changed except a swipe of the pen AFTER the game was played. Now think about this, DLS ACTUALLY LOST….. TWICE! Now tell me honestly there is no favoritism.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
You won’t get any one on this board to agree that there is no favoritism or bias towards certain teams Wannaknow. We both know this. Why do you think everyone keeps insisting the DLS deserves to be a #1 seed despite the fact that they’ve lost twice.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I actually got into a heated discussion over DLS and recruiting with a woman that went to Carondelet. Funny thing is I know it is not against the rules for them to do it. But she got sooo upset. You would have thought I told her there was no Christ or something. I grew up with Toomer, coached both DJ Williams & Elijah Bradley. I also saw how they went after Drew when he played youth football in Antioch. My point was I know they do it. So until the rules change or until someone beats them at it that’s how it is. And everyone else is getting a little closer to LAD. They don’t do the college recruiting piece as hard as other schools. Their star receiver from last year went to like Northern Arizona or something. As a parent I’d be pissed if I paid $15k a year and my kid i at Northern Arizona. Not to keep bringing them up cause I sound like a fan, But the guy in Berkeley knows how to play the college recruiting game. Over 70 kids on scholarships in 9 years. That’s unheard of for this area. The dang school is 2 blocks from BART. So all you other coaches are worrying about the wrong thing. Don’t worry about him coming after your current players. I’d watch your 8th graders if I were you.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Footballsmart you dodged the question. You seem to see everything so black and white. It is hypothetical but a valid question as to your logic. The question has to do with where you would seed them if that was the case.
Also you made a statement about Boise and how they get respect now because they earned it on the field against Oklahoma which was three years ago. DLS gets respect because they earned it on the field…17 years in a row at NCS. And DLS has been playing teams out of the Bay Area since 1995. The shine never came off it got stronger. Yes that was back when DLS had the horses that they don’t now. But to say you knew the shine would come off is wrong because for awhile they beat the best. Some people have always said they ducked teams from Florida and Texas. Well they played the best SoCal had to offer and are you going to sit there and tell me those Mater Dei and LB Poly teams were weak? Look at that 2001 Poly team. 11 D-1 athletes. The whole idea of these national out of state primetime matchups started with guess who? That’s right DLS when Evangel Christian came in to play them and it was on ESPN2.
Look I have nothing against you just because you have a different point of view. What I do have a problem with is the fact that you feel the need to degrade people because they express a viewpoint that differs from yours. You do realize that while Kyle may not have seen all the teams they have other reporters who have and they more then likely have conversations about all the teams. These guys are at games every weekend. And if you feel that you are such a knowledgeable person about football and think the writers are dumb well why don’t you apply for a job? Your pieces would be sure to get a lot of reader feedback whether positive or negative.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Blah, blah, blah….blah, blah, blah…DLS is #1 because they CONSISTENTLY play the best 48 minutes of team football year in and year out, this year included. Plus they have played one of the strongest schedules in the nation this year (in the top 1% out the thousands of teams). No other NorCal team can say that, period. All of that said, and I follow the SRVSD teams who lose the most starting interior line players to DLS than any area. TRUE.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Berkeley has 3400 students (#2 in the NCS) and gets athletes outside of their immediate area. Therefore, they get more D1 athletes. This is not rocket science, except for the lack of NCS football championships. Look at league D1 recruits and the story becomes clear. End of story…
November 5th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Reality Check for HS Football Fans:
High School Football is Fun to watch and follow!
The game is for the players but is enjoyed by parents, fans and students as well.
Comparing High School football to College or Pro is just plain silly. There have almost nothing in common and comparing NCS playoffs to the BCS is just plain nonsense.
With the expansion of the field to 16 the NCS playoffs truly insure that the arguments of who is better will all be settled on the field.
If a lower seed beats a higher seed thats just more fun and makes the playoffs more exciting.
The rediculous end to the argument against expansion would be to just play ten regular season games and then have a committee vote on the best team in each division as the NCS champion and end the season there.
If we have playoffs then we might have a lower seed beat the “True” champion and that just wouldn’t be fair. HA HA
We need to realize that seedings and arguing about seedings should all be in good fun and just leads to more enjoyment and more discussion of the sport we love.
After all of our discussion each team has to win on the field against the team they play in order to advance in the playoffs regardless of what the seeding started out.
I have not seen DLS play this year however I am pretty sure that no one wants to face them until the final game. (Based on their reputation). No matter where they are seeded they will likely make it to the final.
The arguement that reputation from previous years should not affect future years is really silly. That is LIFE and that will never change. Our good or bad “reputations” affect every facet of our life why should high school football be any different.
Sorry I don’t have any favoritism except I favor more games and more fun. Good Luck to all the teams who earned the right to be in the playoffs and congratulations to all the individuals who have put in hours of hard work to get them there.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Paydirt they really haven’t. That ’s part of the farce. Their schedule is not stronger then say Booker T in Florida, Hoover in Alabama, St Ignatius in Ohio, or Trinity in Texas. I am a numbers guy. It’s how I earn a living. Number don’t lie. However, they can be manipulated to say whatever you want. (ie. California State budget) I grew up with the big huge satellite dish on my house as a kid. And no DLS was not among the 1st high school teams on tv. And what is the use of scheduling teams that you are no longer capable of beating. It’s like a punch drunk boxer not knowing when to hung em up. Everyone’s the an in there own hood. I will respect them once they go into TX or FL and come out unblemished. I knock them down a peg further for the Don Bosco loss. How do you get hammered by a team running a offense you ran for years. It’s down right laughable.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
The Guy at Berkeley hasn’t been at Berkley the whole time. the count was 64 when he was at little old McClymonds. With there 400 students total. Including girls. come again paydirt. You keep hanging that cure and I’ll keep putting it in the bleachers.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Renegade:
I didn’t dodge anything. There’s no point in answering a hypothetical question that’s not even remotely close to reality. We could re-align the entire Bay Area to create any number of situations to argue a point and I don’t have the time to do so when all you’re going to do is continue down the path you’re on. You and other people on here have an obvious bias for DLS and obviously there is nothing I can say to change that so I’m not going to beat my head against the wall.
Although I respect what DLS has done to a degree, I would have a great deal more respect for DLS if they were a public school and had the kind of run they had. But we both know that it would never have happened if they were a public school. It’s much easier to have the kind of run they had when you can pretty much recruit the best players to your school
because there aren’t the same restrictions public schools face as far as being able to get a particular kid to come to your school.
The kids who want to go to a particular public schools can only get around the restrictions the district has on a school by falsifying addresses so they can enroll into a school that suites their style of play but it’s a lot harder to do so on a regular basis and not get caught so please spare me with all the yada, yada about DLS this and DLS that.
So what they played the best SoCal had to offer. That’s not saying much. The best HS teams period are all in Florida, Texas and Georgia and they’ve been ducking them for years, including the best teams in So Cal.
We all see what happens when a team from California plays any team from those states when one dares to play them. Just be honest about it that’s all.
And I don’t degrade anyone that doesn’t degrade me first. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. If you have a problem with it then take it up with the person that starts it instead of me. But as you can see these people have all disappeared from the board now. So if you have a problem with me sticking up for myself oh well…
I’m not going to loose any sleep over it.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Wannaknow, you’re wasting your time trying to tell the truth. They are going to believe what they want to believe. Most of them have probably never been outside of the Bay Area or California for any length of time and DLS is always going to be king of the hill in their minds.
You said it best… once they go into Texas and Florida and come out unblemished all they have is what they’ve done in Cali. They couldn’t even beat a team from New Jersey though.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:05 am
A slow team from New Jersey. I bet if I mentioned that last weeks team finished ranked 55th they’d have an heart attack. And they were 12-1 then. Wake up people. You’re breaking your arms patting yourselves on the back and now you can’t put your dukes up to defend yourselves. If not this year next year for sure someone will get them. Everyone is still frightened by the name on their jersey and the whole mystic. Somebody get Regan Upshaw and Percy McGee on the phone. lol!
November 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am
excuse me last year’s team. I check rivals. more respected nationally then Max Preps. Step your game up fellas.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Wannaknow, the day is coming sooner than you think with the economy we have. There aren’t many parents who will be able to afford to send their kid to DLS and the house will come crashing down once the kids around them realize they can be successful at school’s in their own backyard instead of going to DLS.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:20 am
I was looking at their roster they have nobody over 230lbs returning and only 2 guys that stand over 6′1″ and neither of them weighs 2 bills. I know They better have some speed or the may not win their own league. LMAO!!!!
November 6th, 2009 at 1:29 am
they are first in their league.
DLS has done well consistently undersized. Everyone knows this that they aren;t always the biggest guys on the field. They are the best conditioned. Plus with the weight training program they go through during the off season most of those guys put on 15 to 20 pounds. By the way that team from New Jersey is pretty damn good. The fact you call them slow tells me you don’t know much about the team.
Of course I will have a bias for DLS I went to school there. I had both Lad and Eidson for teachers and have a lot of respect for them. And in regards to the question footballsmart fine you don’t like hypotheticals then I will use reality. BVAL is not a very good league this year. EBAL is the toughest league in NCS and some years in NorCal. Assuming they win out DLS will have won the toughest league. Deer Valley will have won a mediocore league. Fourth place EBAL team blew out second place team in the BVAL. No one is saying Deer Valley doesn’t deserve a high seed and they will get it. But yes DLS will have earned that number one seed by beating some of the toughest teams in the section this year.
And about the college scholarships DLS has sent plenty of kids to big time schools. But what you should understand is that the success of the football program isn’t measured by the amount of kids they send to DI schools. It’s measured by the growth of the boys on the team. As someone commented earlier DLS football is never about the star. It’s about the team. That is why no one has a single digit jersey on the team. No one gets to stand out from the others. I suggest you two read two books. “When the Game Stands Tall” by Neil Hayes and “One Great Game” by Don Wallace. The first is by a sports writer for the CCTimes who followed DLS during the 2002 season. The second is by a Long Beach Poly Alum who writes about the two teams and their preparation for the big game between them in 2001. Then you two just might have a better understanding of what Spartan football is all about.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:34 am
wannaknow i was at that game in 91, i always wondered what happened to mcgee, he was awesome in that game, he ran like crazy, i hope thats what rickey will do.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:05 am
It seems like we’ve had an influx of “I don’t represent a team, I hate all successful teams” posters as of late. Posters who say they’re “all about the numbers”, who stray from us, the herd of sheep waiting for the BANG writers to show us the truth. DLS is considered the best because to be the best, you have to beat the best. Oh yeah, and they played some of the toughest teams in the nation. But, I guess they have to pay amends for their sins, you know, scheduling games they might lose. But, I mean for a guy whose all about the numbers, I can see how you wouldn’t want to risk a definite win for an opportunity at beating one of the best teams in the country. As much as it sucked for those of you who played at lesser successful schools and got beat up on by the De La Salles of the world, so does it suck for us to have to sit here and try to speak to you as if you’re fully capable of understanding a train of thought that doesn’t end in “we’re better than you”. So continue to sit there and bash and bash at those who excel with your anonymity intact, how convenient, while the rest of us sheep continue to be herded by the BANG writers and continue to wonder who those other blind sheep are incessantly running into a wall.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
OK all you crystal ball gazers, dart thowing, smack talking, think you know it all about the teams on the field, get your ass out from behind your computer and go watch some awesome football games tonight! It’s almost game time and we are about to lay the smack down on someone out there tonight.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Using the perfectly sound and logicial “if no one else has beaten them” system – I guess De La Salle would fall to about #18 in the Bay Area.
*Didn’t have time/inclination to analyze teams with identical systems, so just easily settled by “alphabetized method”
-Ranking-
1. Berkeley 9-0
2. Deer Valley 8-0
3. San Benito 8-0
4. Carmel 6-0
5. Pioneer 8-0
6. Petaluma 8-0
7. Mitty 7-0-1
8. Alhambra 8-1
9. Amador Valley 7-1
10. Concord 7-1
11. Encinal 7-1
12. Marin Catholic 7-1
13. Ygnacio Valley 7-1
14. Los Gatos 6-1
15. Bellermine 6-1-1
16. Palma 6-1-1
17. Palo Alto 6-1-1
18. (Tied @6-2): DLS, Hayward,St. Francis, Heritage, San Leandro, Wilcox, Windsor, St. Mary’s
November 7th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Football Smart,
The reason people came out attacking you is because you started the attacking from the get go. Not with me, but others. If you disagreed with Kyle’s analysis (which is based on his knowledge from sitting in those seeding meetings and seeing how those committees think. It’s not necessarily his personal opinion, it’s his prediction of what the committee will do), then just say that you disagree with him and make your points. But no, you came out and basically questioned his intelligence and claimed his was biased and blah, blah, blah. Just because he hasn’t seen every team (which for the writers is impossible because they are assigned to cover certain areas), doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The committee hasn’t seen every team, but they get to seed them. So don’t blame anybody else but yourself for people attacking you. And sorry, I know you think I get bothered by your attacks, but I don’t buddy.
I respect your opinion and there is a lot of validity to the thought that an undefeated team should get seeded ahead of a 2-loss team. But the question is, is it going to happen? Not likely. Now you think that reason is because of some media-driven biased, but I’ll tell you the real reason. The coaches rankings! The committee will look at how all the Division I coaches rank the opposing teams and see that most, if not all, select DLS No. 1. If all the coaches who have played against and/or scouted a good deal of DLS football think that DLS is the best team, how can the committee not agree and make the No. 1?
November 7th, 2009 at 9:38 am
DLS could schedule 3 cupcake non-league games like most others if all they cared about was an unbeaten record. For the record I personally dispise the Spartans for many of the “recruiting” references above and also some of the “holier than thow” behavior I’ve seen over the years. I respect the hell out of the progam for taking on (at the time), the #2 and #10 teams in the COUNTRY. I guess you could say this is driven by ego potentially, but as the stakes have been raised they have uped the ante and taken on tougher and tougher non-league games. To argue that losses to the Top 10 teams in the country is in any way comparable to losses to average or bad Nor-Cal teams is simply insane.
I think too much is being made of who is #1-#4 anyway. Ex. If AV is ranked #2 and end up playing Berkeley or Deev Valley, both of those games would be away games for Amador anyway! The league champ always gets the home game over the higher non-champ seed. Way too much speculation seems to be taking place over something that in reality matters so little.
November 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Kyle Bonagura Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Seedings would be something like this:
1. Petaluma
2. Concord
3. Casa Grande
4. Montgomery
5. Ygnacio Valley
6. Eureka
7. Clayton Valley
8. Hayward
9. Alameda
10. Windsor
11. Cardinal Newman
12. Pinole Valley
13. Mt. Diablo
14. Rancho Cotate
15. San Lorenzo
16. Las Lomas
Although, because there is so few head-to-head matchups it’s a crapshoot… those could end up being pretty far off depending on the coaches rankings.
Minutemen Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
concord at #2. Throw ricky throw
Eastbay Scout Says:
November 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Seamslike: Be careful what you wish for!
But I do agree this will be good!
Pink Socks Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Where is all this warrior confidence about defending the pass coming from? Who has YV played that can even compitently throw the football? Lots has been said about this game but no one has mentioned the fact the CHS doesnt huddle, is YV conditioned enough to play 4 quarters at that pace?
Can YV play from behind? CHS basically runs a 2 minute offense all game and can onside kick competently, although way too often for my taste, Is YV ready to throw to win?
Concord’s #1 defensive rating should be given some merit.
I am sure you will all have great responses but the only response that matters is the one the kids in blue come up with on saturday.
Prep Fan Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If Concord wins out,they will have also have beaten 2 solid teams in YV and MD, which would boost their strength of schedule beyond what it has been to this point. CP did beat Alhambra, but De Anza, Jefferson & Skyline is not exactly Murderer’s Row.
Hsfbfan Says:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Football Smart,
The reason people came out attacking you is because you started the attacking from the get go. Not with me, but others. If you disagreed with Kyle’s analysis (which is based on his knowledge from sitting in those seeding meetings and seeing how those committees think. It’s not necessarily his personal opinion, it’s his prediction of what the committee will do), then just say that you disagree with him and make your points. But no, you came out and basically questioned his intelligence and claimed his was biased and blah, blah, blah. Just because he hasn’t seen every team (which for the writers is impossible because they are assigned to cover certain areas), doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The committee hasn’t seen every team, but they get to seed them. So don’t blame anybody else but yourself for people attacking you. And sorry, I know you think I get bothered by your attacks, but I don’t buddy.
I respect your opinion and there is a lot of validity to the thought that an undefeated team should get seeded ahead of a 2-loss team. But the question is, is it going to happen? Not likely. Now you think that reason is because of some media-driven biased, but I’ll tell you the real reason. The coaches rankings! The committee will look at how all the Division I coaches rank the opposing teams and see that most, if not all, select DLS No. 1. If all the coaches who have played against and/or scouted a good deal of DLS football think that DLS is the best team, how can the committee not agree and make the No. 1?
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Hey, all you guys that pretty much HANDED Concord the #2 seed in D2 tell me how that crow you’re eating tastes? I have some salt and pepper with a little BBQ sauce for you. It might go down a little better.
Minuteman and Minutemanmom,
What you got to say now about your elite athletes getting their butts handed to them on a silver platter by those blue collar kids from YV who didn’t stand a chance in hell in beating your vaunted attack? My guess is NOTHING!!!
Probably won’t see you respond now either.
AS I stated before after having seen Concord play four times… SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!! When they face a team not afraid to hit their ass like YV did you don’t see all the bravado you see when they beat weak teams like DA, Jefferson , Skyline and so on.
If it weren’t for some help from the zebras Saturday you probably get 14 points max.
What was that we heard before the game… THROW RICKY THROW? YEAH 4 INTs. One getting called back over a bogus PI call because the refs did all they could to earn the money you slipped them to keep you in the game.
Like I said, I hope you don’t have to go on suicide watch because you got your bubble busted just like you got your ass busted!!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
So Footballsmart is a YV fan? Here I was thinking you were just anti-DLS and anti-California football for that matter.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Whatever Renegade… think what you want to think. I’m anti to ignorance.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
WARRIORS, COME OUT AND PLAAAAAYYY!!!!!!
To all you big mouths who had so much SMACK to say weeks ago (read the string of comments below)… I have this to say…
Do you want fries and a shake with that crow you’re chocking down? I have some salt and pepper for you as well. It might make the crow taste better.
Pink Socks, what’s your address so I can send you a picture of the 2009 DVAL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP BANNER THAT WILL BE HANGING IN THE YV GYM SHORTLY?
Pink Socks, I don’t think you have to worry about that #1 seed for Concord anymore either.
AND WOW, That CONCORD D is so damn tough that YV scored the most points anyone has scored on them ALL Season.
I think you guys should have given more cash to the refs because obviously if it weren’t for their help with those PI calls that got one of the four INTs Lloyd threw negated this game would not have been as close as the score indicated.
THROW RICKY, THROW!!!!
Tunnel Love, I LOVE YOU MAN!!!
Signed,
The biggest moron with an inferiority complex…
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Pink Socks Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
FootballSmart
Please list the 3 reasons you think YV will beat Concord?
Patrone rushed for 400 yards last year and they still lost.
FootballSmart Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Pink Socks
The 3 reasons why YV will beat Concord…
#1 and probably the most important reason is the fact that Patrone rushed for so many yards and YV still lost to them. Last year YV was one dimensional because all they did was rely on Patrone for their offense. New offense and more balanced attack. Only team that really shut them down was Oakland Tech. Concord basically outscored YV last year because neither team could stop the other which leads to the #2 reason.
YV is much better defensively than last year. They have the #1 defense in DVAL play giving up zero points in two games. (that 7 points Mt. Diablo scored was on an interception, so it does not count against the defense). YV has pretty much taken care of business all year on defense. They’ve given up more than 20 points in one game (Oakland Tech). Concord’s offense is no surprise to YV and they will defend them better than last year.
#3 The DVAL Title will be on the line and I put my money on YV’s defense doing a better job against Concord’s offense than Concord’s defense doing on YV’s offense.
Pink Socks Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 10:33 am
I will give you the 2 reasons you won’t
your cornerbacks, if you dont have 2 of them that are both 6 feet tall and can run you are in trouble
also your amazing defensive stats were posted MtD an Northgate, while Concord has defended CP and CV very well, the teams YV has taken care of business against are all non-playoff teams in fact how many of YV’s opponents have a winning record.
Be careful what you wish for,if the league title is ion the line only Concord has roved it can step up and play a big game in a big game environment.
Pink Socks Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Also to Kyle
Is there anything Concord can do to get the 1 seed besides hope that Petaluma loses?
Pink Socks Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Well with all of your excellent points I think you guys should order the league banner now. See you in 2 weeks. Please remeber to beat CV so this all means something.
Minutemen Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Footballsmart you are right. YV does not need to have two 6 ft tall corners. But you can’t say that San Roman proved your point by Ricky not being able to give the receivers the ball because they still had scored 22 points. Really the game came down to a fumble in the 4th which went from concord sealing the deal to SRV taking the lead.
Concord’s D is much tougher than last year so Patrone will not 0 yards. And we beat them last year when he had 400 yards so they might have to throw more this year. It wont be easy to throw when we have a future PAC 10 corner. A very big safety and a quick corner who might not be 6 ft tall but can jump.
Concords D is much tougher than last year so Patrone will not run for 400 yards. And if we beat them last year when he had 400 yards so they might have to throw more this year. It wont be easy to throw when we have a future PAC 10 corner. A very big safety and a quick corner who might not be 6 ft tall but can jump.
And you really think YV’s D can stop Ricky for throwing over 300 yards. He already has thrown 27 td’s and has 4 of the top 5 receivers in the league to throw to. On one side he has a fast 6’4 reciever and on the other side a 6’5 receiver, and anybody who was at the CV game could tell slot receiver on the left is crazy athletic.
So even if Patrone gets 300 yards concord’s O will outscore the YV warriors
Tunnel Love Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
congrats to footballsmart for being the biggest moron to ever post on this blog. talk about an inferiority complex lol
Minutemanmom Says:
October 31st, 2009 at 10:03 am
CONCORD is the best team, they have really talented wide receivers, and a great QB, and RB in F.hightower.
Ricky has great accuracy with his throws, but he doesn’t even need it with, the talented receivers who can catch in traffic. THROW RICky THROW!
Minutemanmom Says:
October 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am
Concord will win the DVAL Championship next week!! Ygnacio’s Team are like a team of blue-collar workers, that can roll up their sleeves and go to work, relying on nothing but their effort, on the other hand Concord is a team of elite, athletic, skill players, that are just too much for some regular joe’schmoes!
Effort will not be enough to stop the Minuteman, because it only takes a minute for them to score!!
Minutemanmom Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
simmer down, guys! Footballsmart we can agree on one thing: This is the BIGGEST game YV and Concord will be in. It’s for all the marbles. This is why Concord WINS! Yes, YV has two decent receivers, but concord has 4 that are the cream of the crop , that means that their (yv)defense must be able to account for each one, which gives a lot of options for Mr. Lloyd, and in turn creates many opportunities for Mr. Pica. Believe that Concord’s Offense is the biggest threat, YV will face this entire year, including the playoffs! YV, as good as their D may be, has not faced a team with similar threats.
Minutemanmom Says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Throw Ricky! THROW!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
It’s so quiet you can hear a pin drop now…
November 8th, 2009 at 1:39 am
YV vs Hayward rematch in the second round????
November 8th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Probably not in the second round Ashawndaus Woods #1. The way the brackets are usually and should be set up is to make it possible for the #1 and #2 seed to meet each other in the Championship game eventually. And with 16 teams making up the brackets now and where YV and Hayward currently sit (#2 and #6) on Maxpreps.com in D2 they would not meet until the third round if they both won their games in the first two rounds. I don’t see Hayward going past two rounds in the playoffs.
November 8th, 2009 at 9:30 am
HAHA TALKING ABOUT BOGUS CALLS AT YESTERDAYS YV,CONCORD GAME.IF IM CORRECT WE STOPED CONCORD INSIDE THE 5 YARD LINE ON ALL 4 DOWNS,AND EVENTUALLY THEY GOT A 5TH DOWN CAUSE OF THE REFS,IM PRETTY SURE THE WAY COACH HAMILTON IS,HE PROBLY SLIPPED A BENJAMIN IN THEIR POCKETS.
BUT ENOUGH OF THAT THE POINT IS YV HAS THE BETTER DEFENSE,AND SHUT DOWN THE MINUTEMEN,BUT I STILL DONT GOT RESPECT FOR CONCORD.MAYBE WHEN THEY SCHEDULE HARDER NON LEAGUE TEAMS AND PROVE ALL THEIR STATS I’LL HAVE RESPECT FOR THEM,BUT AS FOR RIGHT KNOW I DONT.
MY YV BROTHAS DID IT,DVAL CHAMPS BABY HOOOORRRAAHH!!!!!!!
November 8th, 2009 at 10:36 am
ok ok thas coo
November 8th, 2009 at 10:37 am
WOW, it’s weird that no one seems to have much of anything to say now….
Minutemen, Minutmanmom, Pink Socks and the rest… WHERE the hell are you?
Concord fans please come down off the ledge. Don’t do a header into the bay, it’ll be ok.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:07 am
ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT…
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HS Football Fan Says:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Reality Check for HS Football Fans:
High School Football is Fun to watch and follow!
The game is for the players but is enjoyed by parents, fans and students as well.
SAME THING CAN BE SAID AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL…
Comparing High School football to College or Pro is just plain silly. There have almost nothing in common and comparing NCS playoffs to the BCS is just plain nonsense.
LAST TIME I CHECKED MY HS FOOTBALL RULE BOOK, THEY USE THE EXACT SAME RULES IN HS AS THEY DO IN COLLEGE, THEY RANK HS TEAMS SIMILAR TO THEY WAY THEY DO IN COLLEGE… THEY HAVE THE SAME POLITICS AND CONTROVERSIES WHEN IT COMES TO WHO’S BETTER THAN WHOM IN COLLEGE…SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON WITH EACH OTHER THAN YOU REALIZE.
Sorry I don’t have any favoritism except I favor more games and more fun. Good Luck to all the teams who earned the right to be in the playoffs and congratulations to all the individuals who have put in hours of hard work to get them there.
TELL ME HOW YOU’VE EARNED THE RIGHT TO GET INTO THE PLAYOFFS WITH A .500 OR LOSING RECORD AND PLAY GOOD TEAMS WITH THE POSSIBLE CHANCE FOR A FLUKE WIN AFTER THEY’VE BEATEN MOST OF THE TEAMS THEY’VE PLAYED? IT WILL ONLY BE FUN FOR THE SUB PAR TEAM THAT GETS IN AND WINS ON A FLUKE AND NOT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO SEE QUALITY GAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Wannaknow- I think you should have reread my comment before posting. I said DLS played in the first NATIONALLY televised high school football game against Evangel Christian from Louisiana. Read the link I posted below, just the first paragraph will do. That Evangel Christian team starred Jacob Hester who played at LSU and is now playing for the San Diego Chargers. But since only TX and FL count it doesn’t matter right?
http://www.paragonmarketing.biz/work/event-creation/espn/juicy-fruit-hs-classic.asp
November 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
And that buzzers means…. Wrong Renegades. Stop being such a homer. I’m not trying to attack you personally. Just do a little more research next time.
If I’m not mistaken that game was not remembered for who played (jacob hester) but for more so who did not play (john david booty). If you recall he finished high school early and enrolled in USC early after Carson Palmer left to Compete with Matt Lienart. The only way I could be remotely incorrect would be if that DLS game did not happen in 2005.
I say this because of the popularity of the movie Friday Night Lights which was released in 2004. The Odessa Permian vs. Midland Lee game was televised on FSN October 14, 2004. That same night ESPN2 televised Carroll-Northwestern (Texas) against Denton-Ryan.
November 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Do you honestly think that the first nationally televised High school Football game would involve teams from an area where football wasn’t religion. It could only have been in order Texas, Ohio, Florida, or Pennsylvania. And question how many teams from these states did DLS play prior to THIS Year???
Don’t worry I’ll wait.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
You are wrong the game happened in 2003. And DLS had played 1 team from Ohio Elder of Cincinnati in 2006 part of the Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA challeneg.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Guess those guys think football is played elsewhere huh? What I am curious about i what makes you think football isn’t good here. As far as I know there have been three games between California and Florida teams. Two this year and one last year. LB Poly traveled and beat Miami Northwestern the defending Florida 6A champ and they got to the finals last year in 6A. But oh wait then what did they do in Florida, they tried to say it was an exhibition game since it happened before the start of the regular season in Florida so it shouldn’t count against Miami Northwestern’s record. Then this year Carson traveled and played Osceola of Florida and lost 32-12. Then DLS lost in overtime to Lakeland.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I stand correct. Which I don’t have a problem with. However everyone here wants to talk about who’s best and Texas and florida are pretty damn good. And just to show you what I meant about about the southern high schools, at that point Evangel Christian’s program was like 12 years old. Think about it. From non exinsistant in 1989, to state champs in 1993 to national powerhouse in 1996. Props to them. But is DLS on that level. Honestly not then or now. Compare their level of competition to DLS. Also consider that I fail to see many home and home games with these teams powerhouse DLS opponents.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Did you just travel 500 miles to continue your argument. I thought you were talking DLS. But since were bringing others in this….
When will we see the rest of the always stout (pun intended) EBAL against some of these powerhouses…. NEXT NEVERAURY! They can’t bump off the bully on their own block. (pardon my grammar) THEY AIN’T GOIN TO TAKE ON CATS DLS CAN’T EVEN BEAT.
I just wanna know seriously. Where do you think DLS stands now nationally? This season standing alone. And given that what’s the outlook for next season?
I just have problems following anyone blindly. Maybe that will change once my son is old enough to play. But dude I just don’t get it.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
No doubt Texas and Florida are very good but there is good football played out here too. Since 2002 there have been 2 National Players of the Year from California. Kyle Wright of Monte Vista and Matt Barkley of Mater Dei. And how was DLS not on that level in 2003? They beat ECA soundly. I’m guessing you never saw any of those teams from the Streak. It’s not easy to schedule home and home with teams from all over the country. But DLS has traveled. Up to Bellevue in the game that broke the streak, to SoCal for LB Poly once, twice to Mission Viejo, twice for Mater Dei, once for Bishop Amat, once for La Costa Canyon and three times for the state bowl games, once to New Jersey, and once to Ohio. Bellevue and Elder of Ohio were one game deals.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
We were talking DLS but the main idea behind your argument is that you can’t respect what they did because California football is weak compared to Florida and the other states. Therefore I showed you that California football is not as weak as you seem to believe. I don’t think DLS is a national powerhouse this year I won’t argue that. They are still a very good NorCal team and until they are beaten by a team in this area they will still be the top team. Next year DLS is going to be better. The JV’s are loaded with talent and DLS is young this year. Four soph’s starting, two on each side of the ball. Quite a few juniors on the defensive side of the ball. Two of the three top receivers are juniors. The backup running backs as well as the three studs moving up from JV will make up for the loss of Ward and Anderson.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Just to bck up Renegades- De La traveled to Hawaii and beat a sound state champ- St. Louis. De La played and beat Mater Dei 4 straight years.
The streak teams would have beat any team in Texas or Florida, Ohio and Penn too.
Maurcie Drew, Matt Gutteriez, Derek Landry, D. J. Williams, Lovell, Williams and others are a testiment to that. All major college and NFL. Before them, Doug O’Brien, Toomer and Taylor, all NFL. By the way, most of them started in the NFL. They were voted National Champs on many occasions by USA today and other polls who follow all the state powerhouse high schools. They were right on the money. By the way, I saw the Lakeland game this year, DLS is not anywhere as good as previous years, they went for 2 instead of 1 for a tie and lost. They were better than Lakeland that nite.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Joe They went for 2 because in the current overtime system DLS lack of speed would have come into play. And that’s a coaches call that we see all the time. If you objectively watched that game you will see that it was the wrong one as well. It was 1 am est, Lakeland were trying desperately to beat themselves, and DLS had the momentum.
You guys are acting as if I said the suck. I know that’s not the case. I’ll admit if they don’t own CA they’re definitely leasing it. I am not saying they aren’t good. It’s like Ohio State Owns the Big Ten. The rest of the top tier teams in the nation not so much. How can they be in the conversation as one of the best in the nation when they avoid an ENTIRE REGION.
November 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
DO YOU WANNA SEE HOW CONCORD GOT WHOOPED??
THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE ON *YGNACIOVALLEYTV.COM*
November 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
dls has never played oak grove in san jose, they are usually pretty good and in some years awesomely great, grant sac also
November 8th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
WannaKnow- who are they avoiding? These schedules are set up sometimes several years in advance. If they go independent, which the NCS won’t allow, they could play more out of state teams. Grant should contact them and arrange a future date, Terry Edison does the scheduling and he has shown not to avoid anyone if it can be arranged. Appreiciate your comments about them, they are a little down this year, but all in all one of the all-time top programs in the country for the last 25 years. They are overall humble, but you can’t expect them to roll over and say come and get us every year. I have been following them for over 20 years, a lot of respect for their opponents, no trash talking and a first class fan base. These arern’t a bunch of kids born with a silver spoon in their mouths, they work extremely hard, more dedicated than other programs, outstanding coaching, and let’s face it, A little prayer and reverance never hurt anybody.
November 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
WannaKnow don’t worry about it. The only reason you don’t see Texas teams on TV much is because football is SO BIG in that state they want people to actually go to the game as opposed to sitting at home and watching it on TV. I’ve been through the state and a lot of high schools there actually play in stadiums on their campus.
DLS going to play a team in Texas would be like throwing a child into a hungry den of Lions….
See below…
Despite increased national media attention, some states restrict the broadcast of high school games. One example is the University Interscholastic League, which governs public school sports in Texas. The UIL has a long-standing ban on television broadcasting of high school football games on Friday nights, believing that doing so could hurt ticket sales (radio broadcasts are allowed, though). Because of this, several games that have been broadcast on ESPN and Fox Sports Net in recent years have had to be played on either Thursday night or on Saturday to avoid the UIL’s ban. In Michigan, live television broadcasts of regular season games are prohibited by the state athletic association.
November 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
You’ll see everyone else but DLS cross the Texas border.
November 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
By the way Renegade you were wrong… DLS was not the first HS team on National TV. Since you went to DLS it’s obvious you’re biased and would think that they put football on the TV map.
But here’s the truth….
1988
Easton Area High School (Easton, PA) played Phillipsburg High School (Phillipsburg, NJ)
Annual Thanksgiving football game. Game has drawn as many as 20,000 fans. The two cities are located in separate states, separated by a bridge that crosses the Delaware River. First nationally televised high school football game-1988. Televised on ESPN in 1988, ESPN2 in 2006. Oldest interstate Thanksgiving Day Game. Chosen for first ever Gatorade Replay game, resolving 1993 tie. Easton-Phillipsburg Game was featured on the third episode of “Timeless” on ESPN 2, hosted by Dhani Jones.
November 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Joe you’re addressing everything but the topic. I don’t care what kind of fans they have, what type of kids they have, or how hard they work. We’re discussing the fact that during the streak they ducked the best of the best. No teams from Georgia, Florida, Texas, Alabama.
You know what this DLS conversation reminds me of? Remember the scene in Rocky 3 where Mickey is trying to explain to Rocky how his opponents were “good fighters” but not one of em were really a threat. EXACT SAME THING. Back during “The Streak” the only thing important was the streak. Not beating the best. I can’t find the article. But, after that 1st televised game the offers to bump of the champ poured in. And my Question is what was the filtering out process? Was it only private schools, No southern schools, or how about No schools with numerous D1 prospects that are well coached.
November 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Thanks for the assistance football smart.
November 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Wanna Know… it was ALL of the above.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Maybe this truth will finally silence ALL you DLS fans and your idea that you are the creme de la creme of HS football.
From 1988 to 2009 5,903 players have been drafted into the NFL.
The four biggest states where these kids come from are California, Florida, Georgia and Texas
The state that has the most players is in fact California 745 of 5,903… 13%
Texas is second with 11% or 624 players out of 5,903
Florida is third with 583 or 10% and Georgia with 306 players or 5% of the total number of players drafted during this time period.
Most of California’s kids are coming from SoCal HS and this makes sense since that area of the state has a higher population of people than NorCal.
Los Angeles is the second or third largest city in the US behind NYC and Chicago and California’s population is larger than Texas’ even though Texas is a larger state than California by size but Texas by far has a much larger following in HS football than any state in the country and probably would be #1 if more people lived in Texas than they do in California. DLS is a good local team but take them outside this area and you’ll see that change quickly.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
My source for those who will probably say I made everything up is:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm
November 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Wow!!!! Talking about going for the jugular vein.
I’ll simply add, There are 3 main components that make up a superior program. In order of importance. Good coaching, commitment and talent, I can’t speak for So-Cal but up here most programs lack at least 1 if not more of those 3. This is one of the reasons for DLS dominance. But even they don’t have all 3 every. And as a coach it would be a foolish to schedule a team that obviously has more talent then you do, is more committed, or is better coached. And until this year they never have. Lakeland had an overall better talent level and scraped by despite their discipline issues and lets not forget the game’s 10 pm eastern start time.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
There are probably 50 to 100 high school teams across the country capable of beating each other on any given Friday night EVERY year. This argument has gotten a bit foolish.
What school including De LaSalle has the budget to go play a game in Texas or Florida every year without subsidy? The answer is NONE. Simply putting uniforms on kids with the budget cuts going on in CA is gettting difficult. Hypothetical arguments like this will never be won…….. Fun to read though…..
November 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Careful WannaKnow, this is starting to look like the Wizard of Oz. Don’t pull back the curtain too far other wise everyone will realize there really is no wizard.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Ebal1 stop making excuses for DLS. They have the money now and had the money then to play any team they wanted to. The real answer is they didn’t want to for all the reasons WannaKnow already spelled out.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
sure dls doesnt have the budget but they got a 2 million dollar weight room installed like 2 or 3 years ago
November 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
And they just built whatever that new building is just a year ago so Ebal1 please spare us with the excuses about DLS not having money.
November 8th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Ebal1 What school did you go to?
November 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Let me guess…. ummm DLS.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
what team will hayward face in the 1st round
November 8th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
2raw, it will depend on where they are seeded.
the #1 seed will play #16
2 vs 15
3 vs 14
4 vs 13
5 vs 12
6 vs 11
7 vs 10
and 8 will play 9
November 8th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Definately didn’t go to DLS, it didn’t exist. I went to Cupertino High way back when.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Footballsmart– Then i stand corrected on that. Every article that had been written about the DLS-ECA game in 2003 was that it was the first nationally televised high school football game. Has nothing to do with a bias towards DLS. Ya I went there but I am able to accept when they are not at the level they used to be at.
But are you two so blinded by anything other then envy of a successful school? I will make no arguments that DLS is no longer at the level they used to be at but in this area they are still the class of football until someone knocks them off. But to say they didn’t play teams with talent is ignorant. Look no further then 2001 when they played Long Beach Poly. That team was so much better then the team Grant played last year it’s not even funny. 11 D-1 scholarships on one team. Including about half who were on those USC teams that were top in the country. Guess what LB Poly was the number one team in the country at the time. Maybe we should look the Mater Dei team they played led by Matt Leinart. But oh that’s not enough talent for you. Give me a break. I will admit when DLS is not at a certain level anymore but the streak years those teams were very, very good. It is no secret that DLS does like to play other Catholic schools but look at who is number 1 in the country, a catholic school. 9 Catholic schools in the top 25 of the Calpreps rankings. 4 in the top 10 of the usa today rankings including 1 and 2. Mater Dei was number 2 in the country for a few of those games. So spare me that they played nobody. Yes DLS built the new gym and new pool through extensive fund raising. The football program does not get all the money. They are allowed one travel game a year outside NorCal other then the state game. That is a fact. And Ebal1 did not go to DLS.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
they stil have never played oakgrove in san jose and they got a brand new weight room, play texas, miami northwest.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Renegades10 1. Did you know I didn’t go to DLS before you posted? if so how? 2. Catholic schools everywhere have a huge advantage as they offer a private school education to kids, sometimes at a discounted or free rate if they happen to be good football players. Please don’t pretend DLS hasn’t had a significant advantage over public schools over the last 25 years.
I again refer to my previous post. While DeLa has been willing to take on out of area competition, high school rankings are far more arbitrary than college. While most rankings have my favorite team ranked in the top 4 in NorCal, I don’t believe for a minute they would hang with the likes of Don Bosco or Lakeland. How can any team be called “National Champions” when they didn’t play anybody outside of CA???????
November 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Bhsfan, PLEASE at least make a logical argument. You ruin your own credibility with the BS you spew…..
November 8th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
mr smart guy whats the problem, that old brain cant comprehend something simple what u dont understand
November 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
My old brain kicks ur old brains *ss
November 8th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
CHILD PLEASE
November 8th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Oak Grove is 4-5 this year…….
November 8th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Pick up the pace Bhsfan
November 8th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
ok smart guy i never said this season if u can read go back and read my post from earlier, they have had many of very good teams this decade and in the 90’s that were very good, stop riding dls jock.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Thanks Ebal1. I couldn’t have said it any better. The fact that you admit Renegade that DLS plays other private schools is about as close as we’ll ALL get to you seeing the real point everyone is making.
And what the hell do I need to be envious of DLS’s success for when I know how they got it? PLEASE SPARE ME… As you can see from my proving you wrong about them not being the first HS to be on national TV … I DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ. That includes DLS success story when I’m smart enough to know how they went about achieving it. Everything isn’t always as it seems on the surface.
Most people won’t take the time to actually dig out the truth because it’s easier to believe the fantasy.
Just as Ebal1 put it… How can any team be called “National Champions” when they didn’t play anybody outside of CA???????
Their National Championships are mythical ones not actual ones. They had the money during the streak years to play one team out of state just as they do now.
THEY made a conscience choice to play who they’ve played. You make it sound like it was random and they just happened to win those games. They have purposely avoided trips to or invites to CA to teams in Texas as well as Georgia. And I’ll bet dollars do donuts no team from Florida will be coming back here anytime soon.
They tested the waters and found out there actually are sharks in the water so they probably stay in the local pool now.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Why don’t you go back and read my previous posts smart guy???? I said I can’t stand DLS and definately don’t ride thier jock. Unlike you I’m willing to give credit where credit is due. I’m not aware that Berkeley has come in the top 4 in NCS for a very long time. When you earn some respect, you will get some. Not until the.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
What you guys fail to realize is that you are making my point. California is one neighborhood. Nocal is one block and Socal another. DLS rarely leaves their block. Even when invited. You said they can leave NoCal once per year. So I will again ask my 2 basic questions. Where is the trip to Fla, TX, AL, or GA. How about a home and home with some team other then slow ass Bosco. Who incidentally run a similar system to DLS’s bread and butter.
My statements have all said that the stronger teams reside in those areas and not in CA. Why do you keep bringing up CA teams they have played. And I accept your stipulation that the strongest team they have played was the 2001 Poly team. However it has not continued to be the strongest team since ant player on that team would have no high school eligibility after the 2005 season. This provided they were all freshmen.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Sorry post 167 is to Bhsfan to avoid any confusion!
November 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
smart guy i never said anything bout berkeley, my whole of the subject was about when somebody said dls have ducked a few good teams in the past that are from the bay. never said they not a good program, they still the ncs champs until somebody in ncs beats them.
footballsmart i hope florida texas and california keep playing each other, i love really good games like that
November 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
No worries Ebal1, some of us are actually smart enough to know who is directing their comments to whom…
WannaKnow, you made your point a long time ago. Some people are just stubborn and believe what they want to believe no matter what you say or what FACTS you actually point out to make your point valid.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Bhsfan, DLS dosen’t have to duck anybody, especially in CA. Get real man, they play the toughest non-league sched they can, and they play in the toughest league in NorCal. I don’t care for the Spartans any more than you do, but please be realistic about what they do accomplish rather than what they don’t.
We all owe DeLa a dept of gratitude to some degree for giving credibility to NorCal football. Without the Spartans (and now Grant), it would be all about SoCal when it comes to HS football in our state.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Can I ask quick question how many times has BHS gone out of state or even down south to play? My guess would be none so who cares about this DLS is good BHS is good and everything will play out in the playoffs.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Bhsfan, the theory that if you want to be the best you have to beat the best is not true. You won’t see many of the so called best schools actually make an effort to play each other. Too risky to go up against a team and have the shine knocked off your rep after it reaches a certain status. It happens all the time in college football. Why do you think some so-called powerhouse STILL play cupcakes?
But some cupcakes actually have a bitter taste to them. Ask Michigan how Appalachian State tastes. Ask Oklahoma how Boise State tastes…
Don’t for a minute think it doesn’t happen on the HS level too.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Ebal1, now you have me confused…
We all owe DeLa a dept of gratitude to some degree for giving credibility to NorCal football. Without the Spartans (and now Grant), it would be all about SoCal when it comes to HS football in our state.
It’s still all about SoCal when it comes to HS football in CA. What teams in NorCal have any credibility? Last time I check any HS football polls that ranked teams nationally I still don’t see any teams from NorCal. I still see the same old SoCal teams I’ve seen for more than 20 years.
From 1988 to 2009 5,903 players have been drafted by NFL teams.
13% (745) of these players come from California High Schools. If you look at the list by HS most of them came from schools in SoCal.
11% of the players came from Texas and 10% came from Florida with another 5% coming from Georgia. 40% of the NFL players came from four states.
We don’t owe DLS squat.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
But just like an old punch drunk fighter, they’re holding on to anything the can for as long as they can. 1st it was the streak. That got broken. Then it was no team in CA had beat them. Then that happened. Now it’s no team in Nocal. Next it will be either no league opponent or no non league Nocal opponent. Depending who gets them 1st. I’m tell you no real speed this year and no size to speak of. I’m calling it now if this year is the year it happens within 1 hour one of you “fans” will say they had a down year. Rather then tipping your cap to the other team.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
In fact didn’t DLS win streak end against a local team? Pittsburg HS right?
November 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Nevermind. I remember now. It was a team from Washington.
November 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
actually some teams are ranked pretty high. monte vista, pittsburg, del oro, granite bay, berkeley, amador valley were all ranked state at one point or another in the season. grant is nationally ranked. cal hi sports does give norcal a lot of credit when it is due.
November 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Mike, we’re talking national recognition not just local or state recognition for NorCal HS football.
The statement was made by Ebal1… “We all owe DeLa a dept of gratitude to some degree for giving credibility to NorCal football. Without the Spartans (and now Grant), it would be all about SoCal when it comes to HS football in our state.”
And as I stated afterwards…
“It’s still all about SoCal when it comes to HS football in CA. What teams in NorCal have any credibility? Last time I check any HS football polls that ranked teams nationally I still don’t see any teams from NorCal. I still see the same old SoCal teams I’ve seen for more than 20 years.
From 1988 to 2009 5,903 players have been drafted by NFL teams.
13% (745) of these players come from California High Schools. If you look at the list by HS most of them came from schools in SoCal.
11% of the players came from Texas and 10% came from Florida with another 5% coming from Georgia. 40% of the NFL players came from four states.
We don’t owe DLS squat.”
Cal Hi Sports is going to give NorCal credit. They only deal with Cal Hi football, who else are they going to give credit to?
All those schools you mentioned have no national recognition whatsoever and it only helps back up my point that DLS did nothing for NorCal’s credibility on the national scene in HS football. I doubt many people from SoCal even know about any of those schools either or care enough to want to play them in non-league games.
November 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Footballsmart thank you for proving the point that the highest percentage of the best players come from Socal. DLS plays majority SoCal teams for out of the area matchups. Why fly around the country when the best players are just down south? Wow, so you proved me wrong by pulling out some fact that two schools that nobody on the West Coast has ever heard of played in 1988 on ESPN. I’m guessing you researched this. Or if you knew it hats for being the king of random trivia.
DLS doesn’t just play teams it thinks it will easily beat. As a matter of fact they were the underdog going into the 2001 Poly game. If DLS really wanted to protect it’s streak why fly into a hostile environment to play a school with a Line that weighs average 30-40 pounds heavier and skill guys all over the field going to big time football programs? If DLS wanted to protect the streak why travel to washington to play a team when the coaches know it is going to be a down year or schedule the Mission Viejo Diablos led by Mark Sanchez? Everyone at the school knew it was coming. I even said that year DLS streak would be ended.
Ebal1- I remember you posting about how you despise DLS in some earlier thread. That’s how I figured. Also I am confused by your statements. I never stated DLS did not have significant advantages over the public schools. I don’t know where you got that from.
Wannaknow- When the day comes a team beats them I will tip my hat and say congrats. DLS has plenty of speed. That’s been covered on here before as well as the ability to do just fine without huge guys.
Footballsmart- I’m sure DLS would love another crack at Lakeland.
November 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
As FootballSmart stats”
“De LaSalle has done nothing for credibility in NorCal’s credibility”? The only reason the Monte Viste vs Foothill game was Nationally televised this year is because Coach Lad gave ESPNU the tip….. When they were discussing the DeLa vs Lakeland matchup Coach Lad was asked based on the stength of the league the Spartan’s were playing in where there any other games that ESPNU should be looking at. Coach Lad didn’t bring up his own team, he brought up MV vs Foothill with the angle that both QB’s were committed to Pac-10 schools. 1. How much more unselfish can you get? 2. They aren’t (MV and Foothill) even the 2 best teams after DeLa as it turns out in the EBAL. 3. If the Spartan’s aren’t the national attraction there is no interest in the league they play in.
As he also stated “It’s all about SoCal when it comes to football in CA. What teams in NorCal have any credibility”?
What about De LaSalle, What about Grant, What about Cardinal Newman just as recent examples???????
We DO owe DeLa IMHO. We’ll just have to agree to disagree I guess….
November 8th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Renegades10 Says:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Footballsmart thank you for proving the point that the highest percentage of the best players come from Socal. DLS plays majority SoCal teams for out of the area matchups. Why fly around the country when the best players are just down south? Wow, so you proved me wrong by pulling out some fact that two schools that nobody on the West Coast has ever heard of played in 1988 on ESPN. I’m guessing you researched this. Or if you knew it hats for being the king of random trivia.
OH WOW, DLS PLAYS ONE TEAM ONCE A YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR OUT OF 10 GAMES EACH SEASON FROM SOCAL… BIG DEAL, DON’T ACT LIKE THEY’RE ENTIRE SCHEDULE IS PLAYED AGAINST TEAMS FROM SOCAL.
AND WHO THE HELL CARES THAT NOBODY EVER HEARD OF THE TEAMS THAT ACTUALLY PLAYED IN THE FIRST EVER NATIONALLY TELEVISED HS GAME. THAT WASN’T THE POINT…
YOU WERE SO CONFIDENT THAT YOU WERE RIGHT AND NOW YOU’VE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND DON’T LIKE IT HENCE NOW I’M THE KING OF RANDOM TRIVIA. WHICH GOES MORE TO THE POINT THAT YOU THOUGH YOU WERE SO RIGHT YOU WERE ARROGANT ABOUT IT JUST LIKE YOU ARE NOW EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN PROVEN TO BE DEAD WRONG.
IT SURE WASN’T RANDOM TRIVIA THOUGH WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE RIGHT WAS IT??? ACCORDING TO YOU IT WAS THE GOSPEL WHEN IT WAS DLS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE WAS THE FIRST HS TO BE ON NATIONAL TV.
I MARVEL AT HOW YOU STILL HAVE AN ATTITUDE EVEN AFTER BEING PROVEN WRONG JUST BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE THE WHERE WITH ALL TO GET OUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE WE SAY SOMETHING.
I’M SURE LAKELAND WOULD LIKE ANOTHER CRACK AT DLS TOO, JUST LIKE SOME OTHER SCHOOLS FROM FLORIDA, TEXAS AND GEORGIA.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Ebal1 Says:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
As FootballSmart stats”
“De LaSalle has done nothing for credibility in NorCal’s credibility”? The only reason the Monte Viste vs Foothill game was Nationally televised this year is because Coach Lad gave ESPNU the tip….. When they were discussing the DeLa vs Lakeland matchup Coach Lad was asked based on the stength of the league the Spartan’s were playing in where there any other games that ESPNU should be looking at. Coach Lad didn’t bring up his own team, he brought up MV vs Foothill with the angle that both QB’s were committed to Pac-10 schools. 1. How much more unselfish can you get? 2. They aren’t (MV and Foothill) even the 2 best teams after DeLa as it turns out in the EBAL. 3. If the Spartan’s aren’t the national attraction there is no interest in the league they play in.
As he also stated “It’s all about SoCal when it comes to football in CA. What teams in NorCal have any credibility”?
What about De LaSalle, What about Grant, What about Cardinal Newman just as recent examples???????
We DO owe DeLa IMHO. We’ll just have to agree to disagree I guess….
GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK… I’M SURE THE PEOPLE AT ESPNU DIDN’T NEED MUCH CONVINCING TO TELEVISE A GAME FEATURING TWO QB’S RECRUITED BY PAC-10 SCHOOLS SINCE ESPNU’S SOLE PURPOSE IS TO SPECIALIZE PROGRAMMING FOR COLLEGE SPORTS. AND FYI IT WASN’T TELEVISED NATIONALLY EITHER SINCE ESPNU IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON A FEW CABLE SYSTEMS LIKE COMCAST. IT WAS A REGIONAL GAME AND THE ANGLE WAS THE TWO QB’S GOING TO UCLA AND OREGON STATE. I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY ESPNU DECISION WAS BASED SOLELY ON COACH LAD. WHAT HE DOES THEIR PROGRAMMING NOW TOO?
WHAT ABOUT GRANT, WHAT ABOUT CARDINAL NEWMAN? NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM. WHERE ARE THEY RANKED NATIONALLY BY THE WAY?
November 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH Ebal1…
I don’t see DLS coach being mentioned at all in the decision to televise the Monte Vista-Foothill game….
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By Mark Tennis, Executive Editor
There’s something special about a matchup of high school quarterbacks bound for major colleges and that’s primarily why ESPNU put Friday’s matchup between host Monte Vista of Danville and Foothill of Pleasanton as its Old Spice High School Showcase game of the week.
Sure, if the ESPNU prep telecast schedule was like college and which games to put on the air could be decided a week before, it’s not as if a contest between two teams that were each on two-game losing streaks would have been high on anyone’s list.
These games, though, have to be finalized by the middle of August and the biggest fear for ESPNU and Paragon Marketing of Chicago (which co-produces the games) is not whether teams in an October 23 game are winning or losing. No, the biggest fear is an injury to a featured player and it was good news indeed for ESPNU that both Foothill quarterback Sean Mannion and Monte Vista gunslinger Brett Nottingham were healthy and primed to showcase their skills on a national TV network.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Here’s more…
When Foothill and Monte Vista combined for 832 yards through the air in the Mustangs’ 41-31 win last year, it was pretty obvious the two quarterbacks — Foothill’s Sean Mannion and Monte Vista’s Brett Nottingham — were special players.
Their play as juniors, coupled with their performances at offseason camps, made the duo two of the most sought-after senior quarterback recruits on the West Coast this year.
“They are both top-10 quarterbacks on the West Coast,” said Greg Biggins, the Director of Player Personnel for ESPN RISE, who also runs a West Coast recruiting blog for ESPN.com. “(Nottingham) is a top-15 guy nationally, and (Mannion) is somewhere in the top 25-to-30.”
When they both committed to Pac-10 programs during the summer — Mannion to Oregon State and Nottingham to UCLA — the interest in today’s 7 p.m. game between the schools at Monte Vista grew substantially. The draw of a Pac-10 talent showdown at quarterback was enough to lure ESPNU, which will broadcast the game live.
“A matchup between two Pac-10-bound (quarterbacks) I believe has appeal in the Bay Area, plus in the L.A. and Portland areas,” CalHiSports.com. executive editor Mark Tennis wrote in an e-mail.
Tennis said he helps select the high school games shown on ESPNU and suggested this matchup.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Wanna know and football smart you guys are stupid, de la salle, wanted southlake carrl they didn’t want it, with de la, the best high school football program in united states history, name one better you retards? Most sent to the NFL. And currenly playing, you guys are talking hella garbage with you dumbass comments
November 9th, 2009 at 1:37 am
I was wrong you were right, are you satisfied. In regards to Lad and the Monte Vista/Foothill game here’s something you might find interesting. This is from an article Kyle Bonagura wrote back before the season started. Of course you will probably claim media bias.
“Monte Vista football coach Craig Bergman confirmed today that the Oct. 23rd game between the Mustangs and Foothill will be shown live nationally on ESPNU.
The game will feature a pair of Pac-10 bound quarterbacks in Monte Vista’s Brett Nottingham (UCLA) and Foothill’s Sean Mannion (Oregon State), who both put on a show when they met last year at Foothill with Mannion going 20-for-34 for 398 yards and three scores and Nottingham 25-for-38 for 392 and four touchdowns.
“There is a history of a lot of good games with Foothill,” Bergman said. “(ESPN) was intrigued by the two quarterbacks because they’re both going to play in the Pac-10 … I just signed the contract.”
Bergman said that ESPN asked De La Salle coach Bob Ladouceur if there were any games they should be interested in and he pointed the sports network toward Monte Vista/Foothill.
“The experience is going to be a great one for both our teams,” Nottingham said. “It will give people a chance to see us and hopefully we have an exciting game. It’s pretty exciting that Sean and I are both going to play in the Pac-10. He’s a great QB and a great guy and hopefully we can have some more good battles down the road.”
Pending a time change, the game will be played at its originally scheduled time (7 p.m.) at Monte Vista.”
November 9th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Football smart the MV Foothill game was televised nationally since my family watched it in MA, FL, PA, IL, CO, and AZ
November 9th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Wow, Renegade… you admitted you were wrong without all the BS. Yes I’m satisfied with the admission. But obviously you didn’t read #185 and #186.
ESPNU and the company that co-produces the games execs were already looking at the game before the season even started since both kids had already committed to the schools they did.
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These games, though, have to be finalized by the middle of August and the biggest fear for ESPNU and Paragon Marketing of Chicago (which co-produces the games) is not whether teams in an October 23 game are winning or losing. No, the biggest fear is an injury to a featured player and it was good news indeed for ESPNU that both Foothill quarterback Sean Mannion and Monte Vista gunslinger Brett Nottingham were healthy and primed to showcase their skills on a national TV network.
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I doubt very seriously they let a football coach do their programming for them.
And it’s not a stretch to assume that Bergman (the head coach at Monte Vista) and
De La Salle coach Bob Ladouceur are friends. After all they play each other every year don’t they? Wasn’t Bergman the source of the comment? Go figure, that he would look out for his buddy in the press prior to their game against each other to create more attention for their upcoming matchup by saying Lad was the reason his team got on TV.
Again, I don’t believe everything I read… especially when the source of info is a football coach with an obvious agenda… EXPOSURE for his program.
You have three different people taking credit for that game being televised… One football coach (now turned program director) and two people responsible for programming what goes on TV as far as sports. Who do you think has more credibility for actually having something to do with that game being on TV?
Come on man, give me a break already.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Wow wondering, they drove through each of those states just to watch that game? Did they start in MA and at least make it to AZ before the game was over?
(Lighten up, Before you jump all over me, I’m joking.)
Good for them!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Renegade… I worked in the athletic department at a major D1 school in the Pac-10 for six years and a professional football team for four. I know how the game is played by coaches as far as using the media to their advantage to get exposure for their schools which in turn attracts future recruits.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:41 am
“Renegade… I worked in the athletic department at a major D1 school in the Pac-10 for six years and a professional football team for four. I know how the game is played by coaches as far as using the media to their advantage to get exposure for their schools which in turn attracts future recruits.”
— in the mail room no doubt
November 9th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Beats working at McDonald like you Junior. Nice to know my haters are still here just sitting back waiting to take pot shots like a sissy who has nothing to really contribute does. Junior, at least Renegade has my respect for knowing something and says it unlike you you moron.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Football wasn’t jumping on u just letting u know that it wasn’t just regional.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Junior, you and Renegade sleeping together or something? You his bottom Biatch?
November 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Plus I do have a big family
November 9th, 2009 at 8:56 am
apparently I struck a nerve….
November 9th, 2009 at 8:58 am
I understand wondering. That’s why I made the joke about your family driving through the states to watch the game. I’m glad it was national. West coast football gets pretty much ignored on the East coast. That’s understandable though. Like I said in past posts. I used to live in Florida and Georgia and have been through Texas and they treat HS football like it’s college and pro football in those states. In Texas you have HS games on radio all over the state and the sports pages in some of the papers have four and five pages devoted to HS sports in some cities. I was shocked to find more info on the HS teams than the pro teams when I lived in Florida.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:58 am
FootballSmart, You contribute lots of good info. Your not gonna win a war of words falling back on calling people idiots, morons, and biatch. Stick to your high ground it is much more fun to read the reations, and you keep your cred in tact…… just my 2 cents.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Junior, you are a non-entity to me.
Apparently I STRUCK A NERVE hence YOUR reason to come to the defense of someone else who can speak for himself. Didn’t know you even existed until you came on just to take a shot at me.
Wasn’t even dialoging with you in the first place.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am
awww … I was hoping to be an entity, darn.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Not defening anyone Smart. Disregard (as you obviously did), my post. Who do you root for in CA HS btw, just curious?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Thanks Ebal1, but you have to respond some times to people who really have nothing to say and then just out of the clear blue sky swoop in like they’re doing something by hating someone because you may have changed the way they originally believed with some actually closer to truth.
I called it as I saw it. My cred stays in tact by actually doing my homework when I contribute to the forum.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Junior don’t you have school to attend? Better get there before you get put back into preschool. You’d be the first kid in history to flunk Kindergarten because you spent time saying nothing.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:11 am
woa- footballsmart- please, no mas, you are really blasting me.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Ebal1… I don’t really root for anyone in HS football. I love football in general on every level. As I stated above, I lived a dream life for a while having had the privilege to work at a Pac-10 school in the athletic department as well as three professional sports teams (one football and two baseball) I have a world championship ring from working for one of the baseball teams I worked for (which they don’t give to people that work in the mail room Junior) and I just missed getting a Super Bowl ring because I left the football team I worked for to go work in baseball. I love sports obviously and I just really ended up in this board out of curiosity after hearing some of the things that go on in here from some of the football players I coach on the HS level.
I’m not going to name the teams I worked for so don’t ask.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Not all that hard to do Junior…
November 9th, 2009 at 9:18 am
thanks man- that helps.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am
whatever… jr. you’re contribution has been a pleasure. have a great day.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:23 am
you too- watch out for those nasty paper cuts!
November 9th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Anyway, Ebal1 who do you root for?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am
My Boy’s all went to AV. What about you? Hard to believe you’d put in all the effort you do with ur research and don’t have at least some loyalty to a HS program?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am
fellas, I do apologize for truly underestimating Ygnacio Valley, they played their hearts out, and came out with one hard fought W. None the less, COncord is still the BEST! Let’s keep on fighting Minutemen!
November 9th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Well I played football and ran track in HS here in the bay area. The school I went to was known more for their track program than football. It’s been a while since I graduated and I don’t have any sons that play sports right now since my boy is only three.
I really am more loyal to the teams I worked for on the college and pro level than a HS program since you develop relationships with people you work with for a number of years. I still keep in touch with some of my ex-co workers and also still go to games at the school I used to work at in college so that kind of also keeps me from being loyal to a HS program.
I also coach football on the HS level right now too so it’s hard to be loyal to one program when as you know, coaches move around a lot. I’ve already been at two different schools in two years and have coached on the HS level for four years total and since I like coaching it wouldn’t help me to move up to the level I want to coach at if I’m focused on being loyal to a school and not working towards moving up to the level I want to coach on.
I’m assuming AV means Amador Valley? The research I do is out of habit from my job on the college level. I worked in the sports information department and having to deal with the media on a daily basis to promote sports other than the big three (football, basketball and baseball) so you can get coverage for your school in the media was a necessity. Getting the newspaper media to write stories about athletes in olympic sports is a tough task. Especially in a large media market.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:04 am
BTW, AV is a good school. I like their program.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Now I know how you came up with EBAL1 as a name. I wish someone from that league would beat DLS soon so we can stop hearing about how great they are. Easy for a private school to be successful playing in a league with a bunch of public schools. You’re boys school is rocking this year I see.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
How many kids from AV are getting looked at by college recruiters? Who should I be keeping an eye out for? I know the recruiting coordinator at Oregon and I have a good relationship with the RC at UCLA.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Minutemanmom what was the point of saying anything at all if you’re going to end your post with the same arrogant statement that caused you to have to come on and make an apology in the first place? Makes no sense at all when obviously their record contradicts your statement of being the best…
Are they better than YV and SRV? Until they’re crowned the NCS D2 champs I think you and all the other Concord football fans need to keep a low profile.
Those kind of remarks are what get teams like yours beat. You create bulletin board material and place TARGETS SO BIG on your boys backs it’s a wonder how no one on that teams has gotten hurt in a game so far.
It also doesn’t help when your Varsity team shows up to a 1:30 game at 10:30 in the morning on to strut around on the opponents home field during a JV game like you’re the big man on campus and talk trash to the other teams freshman players when they play your freshman at your school the day before either.
You guys have not won in so long that this short term success you’re having has really gone to your heads.
Minutemanmom Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am
fellas, I do apologize for truly underestimating Ygnacio Valley, they played their hearts out, and came out with one hard fought W. None the less, COncord is still the BEST! Let’s keep on fighting Minutemen!
November 9th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Minutemanmom,
Where was all this we’re the best crap two years ago when you still played in the same league as Las Lomas, Campolindo, Miramonte and Acalanes and they were kicking your butts every year?
November 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Minutemanmom, last time I checked, the only team in the DVAL to win a NCS Championship was YV in 2005.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Yep AV is Amador Valley. It is pretty rare that many kids our our school get D-1 looks. Our typical team is undersized, usually quick, and we run a spread option which allows the coaching staff to make the most use of available talent. Our middle linebacker for ex is a Jr. 5′11″ and maybe 170lbs. our QB is 5′10″ and maybe 165lbs. It is rare that we get a kid that someone would call an “athlete”, but we manage to maintain a team modo of “Big team little me”, and most years the coaching staff get the most out of the talent that they do have.
I have to crack up a little bit because I see people mentioning that this year we’ve got more talent then normal. I definately don’t see that being the case. The boy’s play hard forf 60 minutes, don’t get too high or too low, and the scoring comes from too many sources for the competition to focus on shutting down just 1 or 2 options. Dalton Turay RB/LB is really the only kid who could potetially fit in at the D-1 level. Interestingly enough his older brother goes to UCLA. I appreciate your interest in wanting to help promote the boys!!!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Ebal1… I asked more out of curiosity than to help since I don’t know much about the kids you mentioned individually. I don’t know how much help I could be that their own coaches couldn’t do themselves. I talk to the two people I mentioned and was going to ask about whatever kids you brought to my attention just to gain some knowledge and look out for them if I saw them on the next level.
From what you say it shows the signs of good coaching. AV seems to always be competitive on a consistent basis and I’ve known about that school for a while because of it.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Football “Smart”?
Thanks for picking out some things from my post to argue about (More fun for me). I guess the rest of what I said you agreed with. LOL
I said:
High School Football is Fun to watch and follow!
The game is for the players but is enjoyed by parents, fans and students as well.
You Said:
SAME THING CAN BE SAID AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL…
Obviously… However at the college level the “average” player and parent are not as much a part of the fun on the field. High School is the last level where most of the players are playing ONLY for the love of the game.
I Said:
Comparing High School football to College or Pro is just plain silly. There have almost nothing in common and comparing NCS playoffs to the BCS is just plain nonsense.
You Said:
LAST TIME I CHECKED MY HS FOOTBALL RULE BOOK, THEY USE THE EXACT SAME RULES IN HS AS THEY DO IN COLLEGE, THEY RANK HS TEAMS SIMILAR TO THEY WAY THEY DO IN COLLEGE… THEY HAVE THE SAME POLITICS AND CONTROVERSIES WHEN IT COMES TO WHO’S BETTER THAN WHOM IN COLLEGE…SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON WITH EACH OTHER THAN YOU REALIZE.
Oh… your right…I was trying to say that the rules WERE different… are you kidding me? You are really reaching for an argument now. In several states accross the country EVERY high school team makes the playoffs in their respective division. The BCS is a compelation of computer polls and coaches polls with a little hocus pocus etc. etc. to pick the top 8 teams in the country. It has been argued for years that College should have playoffs. The NCS has made one simple rule for the playoffs. Finish with a .500 or better record in League, Division or overall and your in. Sounds the same? There is no need for politics, good coaching argument, or back room deals in some closed meeting and polls won’t get you in if you don’t qualify.
I said:
Sorry I don’t have any favoritism except I favor more games and more fun. Good Luck to all the teams who earned the right to be in the playoffs and congratulations to all the individuals who have put in hours of hard work to get them there.
You said:
TELL ME HOW YOU’VE EARNED THE RIGHT TO GET INTO THE PLAYOFFS WITH A .500 OR LOSING RECORD AND PLAY GOOD TEAMS WITH THE POSSIBLE CHANCE FOR A FLUKE WIN AFTER THEY’VE BEATEN MOST OF THE TEAMS THEY’VE PLAYED? IT WILL ONLY BE FUN FOR THE SUB PAR TEAM THAT GETS IN AND WINS ON A FLUKE AND NOT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO SEE QUALITY GAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.
I’ll now tell you the closely guarded secret of how you earn the right; YOU EARN THE RIGHT TO BE IN THE PLAYOFFS BY: “Finishing the regular season with a .500 or better record in League, Division or Overall.” Did you get that? This rule has been in affect for years. The expansion by the NCS quite simply takes the “bias” you hate so much out of the decision of who makes the playoff, because the players have EARNED their right to be in the playoffs strictly for what they did on the field. There have been MANY teams over the years who have made the NCS playoffs with .500 or worse records… so what?
Are you saying that “Fans” would rather not watch their highly ranked team play (a Bye) than watch them play an inferior team? If you were running things I’m sure you would make the No 1 seed the champion and forget making them play an inferior team in the playoffs? A “Fluke” being to horrible to risk. A “Fluke” is what makes the game exciting for the underdog and their fans. The playoffs take care of all the crap talking, injuries, ineligle players, teams improving from early season etc. etc., by deciding a worthy team on the field. To advance you have to beat the team you play “Fluke or no Fluke”. If the better team always won the playoffs would be boring and serve NO purpose. You don’t agree?
Your silly arguments just make this more entertaining though, so keep it coming. Cause like it or NOT the playoffs HAVE been expanded and possibly there will be some upsets (if we’re lucky). Maybe even your hated DLS will be upset. HA HA
I will now admit however that I have developed some favoritism. I know one team, that I will now be happily routing AGAINST for the duration of the playoffs. ROFL
November 9th, 2009 at 11:38 am
You wrote so much HS football fan and really said nothing insightful at all… congratulations.
You wrote:
I know one team, that I will now be happily routing AGAINST for the duration of the playoffs. ROFL
WHAT TEAM WOULD THAT BE?
I’m glad you’re having so much fun too. That makes me happy that you’re at least enjoying yourself too.
And no it wouldn’t be fun for me as a fan or a coach to play a team in the playoffs that got in with a .500 record or worst when they get players back who I know were ineligible for half the season because of grades or some other reason only to be able to play later in the season when my team kept their players eligible the entire year and earned the record they got with the players that were there from start to finish.
Don’t insult my intelligence with that crap about how fun it would be to see an underdog with a .500 record or worst beat a team favored to win the game after that team was able to get back good players who aren’t good students. And please don’t come back and tell me it doesn’t happen either.
There are other reasons than a team just not being any good over the course of an entire season as to why they have the record they have if they’re .500 or worse and are still able to make the playoffs.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Footballsmat…you never cease to amaze me. knowing that you worked with the media on a daily basis explains your ability to spin things. conspiracy theories abound in your life.
btw bergman and lad are not buddy buddy. there is a respect there for each other, but bergman did not have to name Lad and i highly doubt that the adored and adulated writer we all follow blindly would make it up. Everyone wants to knock off the evil empire why would an opposing coach help out the emperor’s reputation?
By the way, you have to read what i wrote above the article. That was written before the season started as well.
As for your classy comment regarding me and junior, that’s why it’s hard to respect what you say. I don’t mind you pulling out the percentages, or being the king of random trivia (i kid of course), or even badmouthing DLS all over the board, but leave the other stuff out.
I think you should start a weekly post on here where you just rant about whatever is on your mind. You should title it Smarty’s Corner and you could rant about whatever is on your mind, whether it’s your prediction of the end of the evil empire, how weak Cali football is, bias in the media, big brother watching us it would be interesting. maybe at the end you could throw in a top 15 rankings just for kicks.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Football “Smart”?
I was mostly joking about rooting against the team I’m referring to, however as a hint I only know you from your posts in this blog. So it should be easy to figure out.
Playoffs are fun for the Fans and players and should be for the coaches. What kind of coach would choose to not let their fans and players play a game than have to play an inferior team? (unless they have injuries) That would make a pretty short season for DLS.
The Good news for me is that you are not a decision maker at the NCS and we now HAVE expanded playoffs in all sports not just football. Sorry your just gonna have to deal with it.
You may not know this but there are other Divisions besides DI in the NCS. The NCS understands that some teams are forced to play teams not in their division due to the league they have to play in. Examples are St. Elizabeth who plays mostly DIV teams will finish the year 5-5 but will be the #2 ranked team in DV and Justin Sienna who plays exclusivly against DIII teams gets into the DIV playoffs with at best a .500 record and possibly 4-6. In 2008 Justin was the #4 seed at 6-4 and won the NCS DIV championship.
Having bad students study hard and get eligible is a VERY legitimate reason for a High School team to get better and should be promoted, after all, we are talking about STUDENT/Athletes. Key players returning from injuries or a team improving greatly from the start of the year are a couple of other ways a team with a .500 or worse record could beat a higher seeded team. Maria Carrillo in the North Bay started out 0-4 and now they have a chance to make playoffs instead of jut playing out the season. Is this insulting your intelligence or do only the fans/players/coaches of the best teams matter?
As for the expansion being the cause of all of this unfairness. In DIII Football Washington got in at 4-6 last year and in 2007 Analy got in at 2-7 BEFORE the expansion to ALL eligible teams. How have we managed to survive this in the past? ha ha
I won’t argue that upsets don’t happen I root for them to happen. I unlike you enjoy seeing underdogs do well.
I really don’t understand your final statement unless you are agreeing with my point… that wouldn’t be any fun.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Renegade, knowing you went to DLS explains your bias toward them and your ability to defend them against anyone that dares to look beyond the curtain of their glorious program and question how they obtained their success and mythical National Championships they were given (BY THE MEDIA) having never played any of the top teams in the rest of the US. Ooops did I say that, that would mean there is a conspiracy going on to you even though it’s a PROVEN FACT!!!
You SPIN things for the cause better than any alum I’ve ever seen. In fact wasn’t it you who was so sure that DLS was the first team to have a game on national TV until I proved you wrong?
TALK ABOUT HYPOCRISY!!!!
So what Bergman and Lad aren’t buddy buddy, they’re both coaches, they play each other every year and as you said yourself, respect each other. They coach in the same league and it would do both of their programs well to help each other out if they gained from it also.
I do apologize though for putting your name in with that idiot Junior though. It wasn’t right. I’m truly sorry for that.
I never said DLS was the EVIL EMPIRE either but they are certainly not all they are made out to be given some of the facts that people other than me have pointed out as well that you simply just refuse to acknowledge without coming back with yet another unbiased defense of the program.
I love their philosophy and the foundation of the program but I won’t ever truly be behind a program that has obvious advantages over the other teams they play on a regular basis and fall down at their feet and worship their success like you and others do.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Where do you think alameda will fall in the playoffs? yes, they just lost to el cerrito in a 28-21 battle but they will definitely beat de anza and finish 5-4-1. Alameda does have a semi solid team this year compared to last. A lot of talented juniors i say.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
footballsmart i agree with you on that
November 9th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
HS Football fan, you make no sense what so ever…
?????? Playoffs are fun for the Fans and players and should be for the coaches. What kind of coach would choose to not let their fans and players play a game than have to play an inferior team? (unless they have injuries) That would make a pretty short season for DLS ???????????
You may not know this but there are other Divisions besides DI in the NCS.
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NO, I DIDN”T KNOW THIS AT ALL… I THOUGHT THER WAS ONLY D1 in the NCS. Thanks for setting me straight though. Even though I played at a D2 HS and coach at one as well…
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The NCS understands that some teams are forced to play teams not in their division due to the league they have to play in. Examples are St. Elizabeth who plays mostly DIV teams will finish the year 5-5 but will be the #2 ranked team in DV and Justin Sienna who plays exclusivly against DIII teams gets into the DIV playoffs with at best a .500 record and possibly 4-6. In 2008 Justin was the #4 seed at 6-4 and won the NCS DIV championship.
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AGAIN THANKS FOR TEACHING ME WHAT I ALREADY KNEW.
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Having bad students study hard and get eligible is a VERY legitimate reason for a High School team to get better and should be promoted, after all, we are talking about STUDENT/Athletes. Key players returning from injuries or a team improving greatly from the start of the year are a couple of other ways a team with a .500 or worse record could beat a higher seeded team. Maria Carrillo in the North Bay started out 0-4 and now they have a chance to make playoffs instead of jut playing out the season. Is this insulting your intelligence or do only the fans/players/coaches of the best teams matter?
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COMPARING RETURNING INJURED PLAYERS TO THE TEAM TO RETURNING LAZY ONES IS A JOKE AND IS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
HAVING GOOD COACHES WHO AREN’T LAZY AND STAY ON TOP OF THE STUDENT ATHLETES ON THEIR TEAM IS EVEN BETTER THAN LETTING PLAYERS BACK ON THE TEAM AFTER THEY’VE POLITICKED ENOUGH TEACHERS INTO GETTING THOSE PLAYERS GRADES TO A POINT WHERE THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE AGAIN IS EVEN BETTER AND SHOULD BE THE STANDARD TO GO BY ON THE HS LEVEL.
AND IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS HAPPENS YOU’RE A LOT MORE NAIVE THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF TO BE. I BET YOU NEVER EVEN PLAYED OR COACHED FOOTBALL ON ANY LEVEL IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE FACT THAT THIS REALLY HAPPENS IS PROBABLY FOREIGN TO YOU. THERE ARE SOME COACHES WHO ARE IN FACT THE AD AT THEIR SCHOOL AS WELL AS A TEACHER WITH SOME OF THEIR STUDENTS BEING FOOTBALL PLAYERS SO SPARE ME ON THE PREMISE THAT THEY WORKED HARD TO GAIN STATUS BACK ONTO THE TEAM IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
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In DIII Football Washington got in at 4-6 last year and in 2007 Analy got in at 2-7 BEFORE the expansion to ALL eligible teams. How have we managed to survive this in the past? ha ha
I won’t argue that upsets don’t happen I root for them to happen. I unlike you enjoy seeing underdogs do well.
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NOW IT MAKES SENSE WHY YOU’RE A CHAMPION OF THE UNDERDOG… D3 WHERE EVERY TEAM IS NOT ALL THAT GOOD. 2-7 TEAMS MAKING THE PLAYOFFS… WOW THAT’S REAL QUALITY FOOTBALL I BET… YOU REALLY DUG DEEP DOWN INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TO MAKE THAT POINT DIDN’T YOU?
HOORAY, THE CHAMPION OF THE SMALL SCHOOL HAS SHOWN HIS TRUE COLORS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THEY STILL CAN’T COMPETE AGAINST TEAMS HIGHER THAN D3.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
The only D3 team I respect is Piedmont HS. A small school who’s coaches were smart enough to invent an offense from scratch so they could stop getting kicked around by the bigger schools instead of rely on getting into the playoffs with a lousy record by administrators who fix the rules so they can (ever heard of the A11 offense?).
November 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
So since you are lover of football in Texas and Florida do you consider those teams from those states that have been awarded the mythical national title a hoax as well? St. Thomas Aquinas, South Lake Carroll, etc. I can’t deny that DLS didn’t play their share of weak teams during the streak. But every team including those in your favorite states play their weak teams year in and year out. And when DLS was questioned about it they went out and played some of the top teams to prove that it wasn’t a fluke. Year after year. And if you haven’t noticed I haven’t really brought up the national championships in my argument because they are mythical. But consider that those reporters at USA Today have probably seen a lot of football teams play from all over the country at some point. They aren’t just from California being homers. Calling me a hypocrite because I spin things on here, when you have been a master at taking what someone says and putting a different meaning to it is well hypocritical yourself for lack of a better word. There are things I will not deny when it comes to DLS that include advantages over the public schools and the fact that there are weak teams around here that they played and continue to play but through no fault of their own given that they are in a league. BVAL kicked them out and they went and scheduled top teams from the WCAL as well as any challengers from the area and teams like Buchanan from Fresno and then the SoCal schools they played. From your standards no high school team should ever be worthy of any praise because you can always find a fault in what they have done whether it’s the fact that they are a private school or they didn’t really play any good teams during non league or their local teams stink. The fact is DLS won 151 games in a row and given some of the teams they played during that streak that is impressive no matter what type of school you are. I am not asking you to praise them as all mighty beings because while I defend them I don’t see DLS as the be all end all of high school football. I have been to football games in Texas I have seen the worshipping that goes on there and I have seen good football teams from that state play. But just because the attitude is different down there doesn’t make high school football here any less good.
The national tv thing was not a spin I put on anything because as I showed your friend wannaknow there was an article from Paragon marketing that said they wanted to create the first ever primetime national matchup and picked DLS vs Evangel Christian. No spinning going on when I was using something written by the company that is used in one of your points. I did not know about the two schools that had played on ESPN in 1988 and good for you for finding that out. So I was wrong. But I used proof to show what I believed to be true. That in no way is spinning anything.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I would love to see how good a coach Lad would be if he left DLS and went to a public HS to coach.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
FootballSmart — I have no doubt Lad would be incredibly succesful at a public school. The man is a teacher first and foremost, which is a quality lost on many coaches. At that age, it’s about teaching the game in my opinion and he, along with Sweeney, may the best I have seen. I had the joy of watching Lad speak one time at a public function and have to tell you, by the time he was done, I was ready to lace em up and go hit someone. Would he have as much success as he’s had at DLS?? Tough call, but success is not guaranteed because you are a private school, as evidenced by Moreau, O’Dowd, St. Mary’s, Salesian, etc. There’s certainly some high quality coaching going on there. The real interesting thing will be to see how much Valley Christan is going to affect DLS — they are already lining up some of the top players from the Tri-Valley at the younger ages and it won’t be long before kids in the Danville area will look that way as well. Throw in the catholic school to open in Livermore (A Sweeney destination???) and it will really kill public school football in the Valley.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
If I had to make a guess I would say that Coach Lad would do well but not as well as he does at De La Salle. He is obviously a very good, even a great coach, but De La Salle is a great place to coach as well. The students buy in to his philosophy. The parents give great support because they are well off enough to do so. There is the private school factor however you want to spin that. That all adds up to the perfect storm of football. De La Salle also does well in other sports for the same reason. They probably rate very high academically as well. It is a well funded private school in an affluent area with a very good reputation for sports. That is a great draw for them.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Renegade, I’m not a lover of football just in Texas or Florida. I don’t recall ever saying I was either in any post I wrote. Sounds like you are doing the same thing to me you accuse me of doing to you.
I love football period. Whether it’s California, Florida, Texas, Georgia or even on Mars. I love HS, college and NFL football. And I will be the first to say that any team from any state awarded a NATIONAL Championship when they haven’t played teams around the nation is a bogus title.
Texas and Florida are not my favorite states either. I was born in NY as a matter of fact and have lived in CA most of my life and thus CA is my favorite state. But I’m not going to act as though CA HS football is more or less better than any other state either when I’ve seen football in the states I’ve mentioned as well.
You’re right, teams in those states play weak teams too year in and year out. I know that. But the question and on-going debate that won’t ever be resolved is whether or not those weak teams are as weak as the ones here or even better than the best teams here given the nature of the amount of interest in football in those states compared to others.
I think some of the so -called weak teams in Texas and Florida are better than the best teams in CA based simply on the fact that the talent level in CA HSs, especially in the this area is so spread out because there are more HS here than there are in those states because of population.
But please don’t tell me DLS went out and played some of the top teams to prove their success wasn’t a fluke. Did they play ANY team from Florida or Texas?
Did they ever play any team deemed by USA Today or anyone to be the number 1 team in the country? No, they went to Hawaii, Ohio and other places other than two of the three biggest states that produce the best football players.
You can’t argue that.
The Concord area is a prime example with the talent being spread amongst 6 or 7 HS within a 20 mile radius with one of them being a private all boys HS ( a distinct advantage). Getting kids to come out and play football at most of these schools is also a challenge that private schools never face (in fact they have parents paying top dollar to get their kid into the school just to play football).
The streak is impressive but still debatable given the amount of games played against weak teams but yes, they could have easily lost to some of the teams they did play outside the area even though they weren’t the best of the best so I concede that to them.
And even if you asked me to praise DLS as all mighty beings I wouldn’t (JOKE)
DLS is a good school, hats off to you for getting a quality education there and thanks for at least being man enough to come back the way you have and get my respect with some valid points.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Whistle and Outsider I agree with everything you both said. I’ve heard nothing but great things about him. I would still love to see him coach at another school though.
I would love to see how he deals with having to beg players to come out for football at a public school as oppose to not having that problem where he is now.
But I know this will not happen. If I were him I would stay where I am too.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Whistle aren’t all those school co-ed now? I know Salesian and O’Dowd are now. Having girls at school with you is a distraction in and of itself. I remember the days those schools used to be huge powers in football when they were all boys schools too. Helps prove my point.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Bhsfan; Yes MV gave up 392yds to Ward (and still only lost by 7) but then last week they gave up 189 to a Cal team that is known for their running attack (fast and physical) you don’t think that a team isn’t going to take away what a school does best (and that is any team not just MV)in the playoffs. I personally have not seen BHS so I can only comment on the fact that if I was coaching I am going to make them beat me any other way but with Galvin, he seems to be just to good not to try and contain even if they give up some yds as long as he doesn’t get in the End Zone.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Pittsburg couldn’t contain Galvin. Everyone talked about Pitts run defense. Cal doesn’t have Galvin or a running back like Galvin running the ball either.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
CAL has 3 very good backs and can come at you alot of ways with Alvarez (fast), Javier (physical), and Davis (fast and physical). Again I haven’t seen him play I only know what he does by everyone on the blog but still Pitt is in a down year and Berkley only beat them by 2 if I am correct that seems to be the only test he has had this year (again he is going to WSU so he has to be special)but I just don’t think a team in the playoffs is going to let him beat them (again any team).
November 9th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Not only would it be interesting to see Lad have to beg players to come out and play, but I would guess it would be an eye-opener for him to deal with potentially losing players to grades in the middle of league play. It would be shock for him to have relatively empty stands at home games, little if any parent participation, begging each game for a crew to run the chain gang, collecting mandatory bus fees from families that can’t afford it, dreaming up fundraisers and trying to staff them, refereeing fights in the locker room, not having a band that supports the football program during games, worrying if your job and your sport will be canceled by the school district….among many other things.
I think he is a quality guy too, but there is a lot he doesn’t have to deal with day to day that MANY other teams have heaped upon them that are still very successful.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
“Not only would it be interesting to see Lad have to beg players to come out and play, but I would guess it would be an eye-opener for him to deal with potentially losing players to grades in the middle of league play. It would be shock for him to have relatively empty stands at home games, little if any parent participation, begging each game for a crew to run the chain gang, collecting mandatory bus fees from families that can’t afford it, dreaming up fundraisers and trying to staff them, refereeing fights in the locker room, not having a band that supports the football program during games, worrying if your job and your sport will be canceled by the school district….among many other things.”
—- not all, but MANY of those things faced Lad when he arrived at DLS.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I think the playoffs are going to be great. Matchups we have not seen will be as unpredictable as the season has been. I thought after how Cal played Foothill they would do better against Monte Vista. Could have been the matchup, or could have been how well each team was executing on a given night. I think any of the teams in the top eight of Division 1 playoffs could beat any of the other teams if they have a good night. The exception of course is De La Salle. They have proven that they play very consistently and are also a very good team. That combination is hard to beat.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
If Lad was at a public school, he would build the same type of program and respect he has right now. Monte Vista and Foothill don’t have to beg players to come out and their stands are not empty either. FootballSmart, you asked about a school being co-ed and girls being a distraction…haha, I agree, but Carondelet is right across the street and believe me, as a born and raised Catholic, I can tell you those Catholic school girls are insatiable. I can tell you my buddies and I used to love to run into Carondelet girls at parties when we were in high school!!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
good point junior, many people don’t know that when Lad showed up the team had lost 22 games in a row and had no weight room to speak of. Believe they converted an office into a temporary weight room. Their first game no students showed up.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
All the DLS thread here, nobody asked the question – Are football players at DLS getting “scholarships” when enroll? I bet there is a bunch of ‘need based’ aid this is available, given alumni contributions and such. I bet alot of the kids from the less affluent areas are getting some $$ aid to help pay the $15K tuition.
Another $$ issue for DLS – they must be getting some TV money from their games, so it’s not just about getting good competition – it probably helps fund their program.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Wow whistle you made me wish I had gone to DLS now and not to play football either.
Well Renegade since you’re a DLS alum why don’t you talk him into quitting and rebuilding another program at a public school to really solidify his legacy.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
We have some pretty good public schools in the tri-valley area. Rosters approach 60 to 70 kids on the Varsity roster alone. There will be 5,000 to 7,000 people at each of the rivalry games this week between Amador and Foothill and Monte Vista vs San Ramon Valley. It has been that way for as long as I can remember. Long before De LaSalle joined the EBAL btw. Lad would obviously be a good coach. Some of what he preaches would fall on deaf ears, but much would be revered as well. The challenge again is competing year in and year out with whatever talent the luck of the draw gives you in public school.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
DLS played a hard pre-season schedule. AV did not. But after a slow season last year, the pre-season schedule AV had was just what it needed. By the time their DLS game came around, some confidence had come back. Similarly, DLS gained strength from its opposite (very tough) pre-season schedule; the so-called “down year” thus far has not really materialized. We CAN say there are closer games this year. Is that a trend? Is NCS parity here? Where do teams like Logan and Washington finish in EBAL play if they had been there this year?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Football “Smart”?
You should work in the propaganda department of some covert government agency. You are a master of twisting what is said into a completely different argument. I guess I have to use simpler english for you.
Playoffs serve two main purposes ENTERTAINMENT and fund raising, why do you want LESS entertainment or LESS funds? If there is a game you wouldn’t want to see don’t go. DUH
As a coach player or fan WHY would you not want to play an extra game as opposed to staying at home?
You said:
NO, I DIDN”T KNOW THIS AT ALL… I THOUGHT THER WAS ONLY D1 in the NCS. Thanks for setting me straight though. Even though I played at a D2 HS and coach at one as well…
Seems you only understand sarcasm when you are the one spewing it. “Ther” I go again. lol
OK so football is only “Good” in your opinion if it is played by a school in D1 or D2. Many DIV teams hammer DI teams on a regular basis.
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COMPARING RETURNING INJURED PLAYERS TO THE TEAM TO RETURNING LAZY ONES IS A JOKE AND IS LIKE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
Read my post again! I made absolutely no comparision I said it was simply another way that a team with a “bad” record might do well in the playoffs. More twisting of what I said.
You said:
HAVING GOOD COACHES WHO AREN’T LAZY AND STAY ON TOP OF THE STUDENT ATHLETES ON THEIR TEAM IS EVEN BETTER THAN LETTING PLAYERS BACK ON THE TEAM AFTER THEY’VE POLITICKED ENOUGH TEACHERS INTO GETTING THOSE PLAYERS GRADES TO A POINT WHERE THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE AGAIN IS EVEN BETTER AND SHOULD BE THE STANDARD TO GO BY ON THE HS LEVEL.
Yes I agree that good coaches should stay on top of their players. But this is the real world so to say the only way kids can become eligible is to make back door deals is wrong. The fact that many coaches aren’t on campus and have other jobs and make about 10 cents an hour coaching makes it very difficult for them to watch the grades the previous spring when the problem starts.
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AND IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS HAPPENS YOU’RE A LOT MORE NAIVE THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF TO BE. I BET YOU NEVER EVEN PLAYED OR COACHED FOOTBALL ON ANY LEVEL IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE FACT THAT THIS REALLY HAPPENS IS PROBABLY FOREIGN TO YOU. THERE ARE SOME COACHES WHO ARE IN FACT THE AD AT THEIR SCHOOL AS WELL AS A TEACHER WITH SOME OF THEIR STUDENTS BEING FOOTBALL PLAYERS SO SPARE ME ON THE PREMISE THAT THEY WORKED HARD TO GAIN STATUS BACK ONTO THE TEAM IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
Whether or not I have played or coached football on any level is beside the point. (I have done both, I played at Princeton University in the 80’s and I have coached my three sons at every level one of which is a senior who has started at quarterback all four years, three at Varsity) I personally know of at least 10 instances where individual players have worked hard to become academically eligible for football because no one cared enough the previous spring to watch out for them.
You said:
NOW IT MAKES SENSE WHY YOU’RE A CHAMPION OF THE UNDERDOG… D3 WHERE EVERY TEAM IS NOT ALL THAT GOOD. 2-7 TEAMS MAKING THE PLAYOFFS… WOW THAT’S REAL QUALITY FOOTBALL I BET… YOU REALLY DUG DEEP DOWN INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TO MAKE THAT POINT DIDN’T YOU?
HOORAY, THE CHAMPION OF THE SMALL SCHOOL HAS SHOWN HIS TRUE COLORS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THEY STILL CAN’T COMPETE AGAINST TEAMS HIGHER THAN D3.
I don’t want to resort to name calling so I will only say that you have now proven your lack of real knowledge. Every team at DIII is not all that good? WOW? You really said that. Get ready I’m about to give you some more sarcasm. Did you know that accross the country they have Divisions in High School sports so that teams can be competative with schools that are about the same size? Therefore DIII teams, which are smaller schools, in general, will have a harder time competing with DII or DI schools which have more students. Ok… sarcasm finished.
In spite of this many smaller schools do compete with larger schools in various sports. I know even in your limited experience you have heard of the football teams from Oaks Christian, Cardinal Newman (down this year) or Saint Boneventure who are all DIV in size but regularly compete with much larger schools.
A final fine example of how you completely twist a point I have made is that when I pointed out several instances where a .500 or below team has made the playoffs PRIOR to the expansion of the post season (which you think is the end of high school football as we know it (sarcasm)) your interpretation was that I was stating that a 2-7 team was “Quality football” and that I have shown my true colors as a small school champion. I know I should go back in the closet since you have exposed me as a small school champion however… (More Sarcasm coming) Have you ever heard of Ferndale? If so do you respect their program? How do you think they would do against DI schools from Texas and Florida? If not to well then, should their players, fans and coaches just fold up shop and quit?
Obviously your arguments don’t have any validity so you just resort to name calling or twisting other peoples statements to make yourself feel better.
Here is a challenge for anyone reading these posts. In the next 24 hours or anytime for that matter if anyone reads both FootballSmart’s posts and HS Football Fan’s post in this blog. Just do a one line post to “vote” for which one of us makes more valid points by saying either Footballsmart is right or HS Football Fan is right. I will be fascinated to see the response.
By the way I have always found those who can only type with the CAPS LOCK button on a little irritating.
Anybody else agree?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Using capital letters while writing is considered “shouting”. It has always been frowned upon by the Internet as a sign of poor manners and writing style.
But as to the argument on whether a football team that is 4-6 should be in the playoffs, I vote against them. If I am a top seeded team, why would I want to risk injuries while trying to win NCS against a team with nothing to lose and whose players might take cheap shots knowing they can’t fairly compete against the 8-1 or 9-1 higher seeded teams. Oh…the only money to be made at the gates goes straight to the NCS, not the host schools. The host schools only get what they can make from their own concession stands.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Footballsmart- you and I will probably disagree on a lot of things but i do respect the fact that you do the research as well.
in regards to your question about any teams DLS playing being ranked number 1 well Poly was number one in most publications before the first meeting in 2001 and some before the second meeting in 2002. Mater Dei was number 1 a few times instead of DLS in years before they played and when they played I believe they were number 2 once or twice. and my texas and florida comments were just because those were the states you seemed to mention the most.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am
lol Whistle that is true even for a kid who went to school with and grew up with a Moreau family next door
on the football side, the catholic hs planned for Livermore will be interesting how they build their program. will it be like DLS, and currently developing VC? I still think the St. Isidore’s community is much closer to Concord than Livermore. The more kids transfer to SRV or MV can be attributed to the economy or athletics etc, but in my opinion traffic is a little quicker straight up 680 especially with all the widened lanes in Walnut Creek than dealing with insane 580 traffic in the morning. I took a summer class at Las Positas but morning traffic isnt as heavy as evening traffic. a lot of times hoping traffic got better each exit along the way. I had a friend who lived in San Ramon (just like Lad) who played tennis though but never regretted the commute up to Concord for 4 years because of the success and family environment he had there.
i think that plays a role in determing if you’d rather play at a good public school, a new school(private like Vly Christian or public like Dougherty Vly), or an established private school full of excellence like DLS
if you look at a story like Brett Cecil in the Game Stands Tall, he could’ve used a DLS-kind of school right in town.(he was from livermore and started qb after matt gutierrez graduated)but because they told him to come and try out and show off his skills, he never playing for any EBAL team. not in livermore or even pleasanton, but in concord because of the reputation
another interesting thing definitely is Valley Christian. they have a bigger pull from PLeasanton and Dublin/San Ramon obviously. Knew a few kids transfered from there to Cal High and SRV to play sports or club that wasnt available at VC. mostly for soccer, but that will change for football. I dont think anybody’s transfering away from Cal High like a few of my classmates did to SRV for football anymore becaues they’ve built that program up now and have beaten SRV twice in a row now.
What does interest me aside from the transfering situations are the effect on Dublin HS. not known for strong teams how might it affect them? dont know how many kids left for DHS, but as you mentioned earlier this summer, more Pleasanton kids will definitely stay instead of transferring to Foothill or Amador once that program Parella has gears up and possibly re aligns into a competitive league a la Dougherty Valley.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:40 am
I personally think the Alameda Hornets will do big upsets in the playoffs.. any remarks on this?
November 10th, 2009 at 9:10 am
HS Football Fan,
You have got to be the most naive person writing stuff in here…
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You said:
Playoffs serve two main purposes ENTERTAINMENT and fund raising, why do you want LESS entertainment or LESS funds? If there is a game you wouldn’t want to see don’t go. DUH
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If playoffs serve the purpose of entertainment then why are the stands usually half full at most of the games with exception of a few schools? It’s the whole reason they are even considering moving some games to neutral sites and to areas where people like you have nothing better to do with their lives than go to a HS football game on a Friday night. This isn’t Podunk, Iowa this is a major metropolitan area where there are many ways for people to entertain themselves and HS football games on a Friday or Saturday is the last thing on peoples minds to go to if they don’t have a kid playing in the game. And in some cases even the parents don’t come because they’re working. Believe that fairy-tale nonsense if you want.
But then again you probably live out in one of those small towns and would explain why you believe that nonsense in the first place.
It’s not a matter of wanting LESS entertainment for me. If I didn’t coach HS football I would never go to a game just for entertainment when there are SO many other things to do for entertainment in this area. AND I LIKE FOOTBALL.
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As a coach player or fan WHY would you not want to play an extra game as opposed to staying at home?
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As a coach, player or even a fan why would I want a charity game to play just because the rules make it easy for me to get an extra game knowing full well I’m going to be put up against a team that’s going to more than likely beat me senseless? It serves no purpose other than to get humiliated again. And as someone else pointed out already… As a coach, player or fan of a good team why would I want to risk my legitimate chance of winning a section championship playing a game against a team that got into the playoffs with a .500 record or worse and come out of the game with a win but loose a good player in the process? The playoffs should be saved for the best of the best. That’s what everyone works for ALL season long it’s not the good teams fault that your team is no good.
You seem to watch “Remember the Titans” and all the other feel good HS football movies too much. It has really got you thinking there are a bunch of little Titans out there.
The stuff about the games being for fundraising is so funny I had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so hard.
Whatever money that gets raised goes straight into the pockets of the NCS administrators and none to the schools. As a fan or a parent, why should I subsidize your salary because your budget got cut?
You need to get your head out of the sand HS Football Fan…
And this aint propaganda I’m talking either. Tell me when was the last time you’ve heard of or seen any HS prosper from money made through the NCS playoffs?
Les Schwab Tires is the Title sponsor of ALL NCS playoff games, they paid the NCS big money to have their name be the first thing you hear when the playoffs are mentioned. You think any school in the playoffs will see a dime of that money? They have other companies as sponsors as well. All that money goes to the NCS as well and no school has seen a dime of that money.
Keep believing that fantasy you have going on in your head. Call it propaganda all you want. All you have to do is cal the NCS offices yourself and ask them where the money goes. Then you’ll see propaganda at it’s best. I have nothing on them when you get your question answered.
Come back on here and let us all know what they tell you OKAY?
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AND LASTLY, BECAUSE I HAVE NO TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL YOUR OTHER DRIBBLE… THIS ISN’T A CONTEST ABOUT ME OR YOU AND HAVING PEOPLE VOTE ON WHO’S RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING. ONLY A NARCISSIST WOULD MAKE IT ALL ABOUT THEM. I DON’T CARE IF PEOPLE ON HERE AGREE OR DISAGREE WIH ME. SOME PEOPLE DO AND SOME PEOPLE DON’T. THIS WHOLE BLOG IS ABOUT PEOPLE DISCUSSING THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT SUBJECTS THAT COME UP NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
AND I COULD ALSO CARE LESS IF ME TYPING IN ALL CAPS IRRITATES YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TOO!!!!
WHO DIED AND MADEE YOU ALL THE POLICE OF INTERNET ETIQUETTE ANYWAY?
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS ASK ME WHY I DO AND I WOULD HAVE SIMPLY TOLD YOU THAT I DO IT SOME TIMES TO DIFFERENTIATE MY COMMENTS FROM THOSE OF THE PERSON I’M RESPONDING TO IN VERY LONG STRINGS SO THAT EVERYONES WHO IS READING IT CAN EASILY TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE PERSON’S STATEMENT TO THE OTHERS…
ASSUMPTION IS THE MOTHER OF ALL SCREW UPS AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ASSUME THAT I’M SHOUTING JUST BECAUSE I TYPE IN ALL CAPS HELP PROVE THAT.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Renegades10 Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Footballsmart- you and I will probably disagree on a lot of things but i do respect the fact that you do the research as well.
in regards to your question about any teams DLS playing being ranked number 1 well Poly was number one in most publications before the first meeting in 2001 and some before the second meeting in 2002. Mater Dei was number 1 a few times instead of DLS in years before they played and when they played I believe they were number 2 once or twice. and my texas and florida comments were just because those were the states you seemed to mention the most.
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Renegade, you’re probably right that we will probably disagree with each other but I think maybe half the time instead of a lot.
I guess I should have been more specific in my question regarding how many times has DLS played the #1 team. I didn’t mean just in CA since those are the only teams you mentioned, I meant period.
How many times did DLS play the team most thought was the best team in the nation? And when? For instance if a team was #1 the year before and were expected to be again the next year did DLS go out and schedule them that year?
And when they played the teams you mentioned, were they #1 at the time DLS played them or had some time passed and they used to be but weren’t when DLS played them?
November 10th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Jimmy D – I was on maxpreps last night and noticed SM was ranked #1 in D4. Salesian was 2. Does that have any bearing or give any forecast to how the NCS seeding may go?
Thanks Jimmy.
Go Panthers!
November 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I agree that the extra teams allowed in based on the being 500 in league or overall is simply a way to make more money for NCS. In D-1 it looks like American HS will get in (assuming application), with a 3-3 league record. Their final game is non-league vs Valley Christian in Dublin and won’t affect their league standing. They have lost 52-0 to Logan, 54-3 to Washington, 46-13 to Oakland Tech, and 41-20 to Benecia. Assuming they get the 15th (and lowest seed),
1. only the #1 seed will get a 1st round bye. 2. Assuming that is DLS, Deer Valley, or Berkeley, or possibly Amador will play a 1st round game against American. It will likely not be a very competitive game regardless of which of team they play. DLS (or whomever gets the #1 seed will get a HUGE advantage over everyone else in not having to play a 1st round game. Oh yeah and you get to pay $8 bucks to get in to see that game if you want to be there and it all goes directly to NCS. Attendance will be poor because the game won’t even be remotely interesting.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Footballsmart-
you have a intresting point of view..
Where do you coach?
November 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Ebal1 has made my point perfectly… especially pointing out American HS’s situation… If I’m a D1 coach and me and my team worked our butts off and were undefeated or lost one or two games overall why would I want to risk my legitimate chance at winning the whole thing playing American because they went 3-3 in league but got waxed by every non-league team they played and those games count for nothing when it all comes down to it?
Say I win the game against them but my quarterback gets hurt and his season is over… all that hard work just went down the drain ALL for the sake of entertaining a half empty stadium and lining the pockets of the NCS. If any player gets injured in a playoff game I’d rather it be against another team just as good as mine or a slight underdog based on their overall record in league and non-league play. Seeing two good teams play is far more entertaining.
And now that the committee has expanded the D2 bracket to 16 teams out of 25 nobody gets a bye and have to play one extra game just to win the whole thing. That’s 4 games now instead of two or three. That’s one game short of half the regular season you’ve already played just to make a few extra bucks for a handful of people. That money made at least needs to go to the host schools that earned the home games that very few people will be at depending on the school.
Coach Trot, come on. I would love to say where I coach but let’s be serious, you know I can’t do that…
November 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Football”Smart?”
I did as you suggested and just “cal”led the Section offices:
After about a 10 minute hold I had a very pleasant conversation with Gil Lemmons and he told me the following:
1) They NCS are an association that answers directly to and is “owned” by the member schools. They do exactly what the 150+ or – schools tell them to do in votes in their general and executive meetings held regularly.
2) Coincidentally NCS just sent checks totaling approx. $77,000.00 back to member schools, they originally wanted to send back $150,000.00 but he said it just wasn’t in the budget this year. While he admitted that $77,000.00 divided by 150 schools wasn’t a whole lot of money, he said the NCS exists solely for the benefit of the member schools and does not “Syphon off” money from the schools. They are not some privately held corporation and all of their financials are available to all of the members at any time.
3) He admitted that expanding the playoffs to all eligible teams was his idea and came about from his attendance at last years girls softball seeding meeting where Windsor at 14-5 didn’t make the playoffs. He said that got him thinking “Why if we have space would we not allow the teams that were eligible under NCS guidelines to make the playoffs?”
4) He said it was then discussed over several months and put to a vote of either the general membership or the executive council and the expansion was approved in all sports. NOT just football.
5) He stated that additional income was a large part of the equation, however he said that in Volleyball, for example, the section will probably lose money from the expansion to up to 16 teams. In any case the expansion for volleyball was approved anyway because it was the right thing to do.
6) For all NCS sports each team that makes the playoffs has to pay an $85 fee. The section pays for game administration and game officials as well as all transportation to and from game sites for up to four games. The Section gets the gate income and the schools get the concession income and any other fundraising such as T-Shirt sales/raffles etc.
7) He said that the expansion in football playoffs could mean up to an additional $20,000.00 in net revenue to the section.
He said that he had also been contacted by several coaches with positive responses to the expansion and felt he had recieved 95% positive responses from contact by the public.
9) He said that just because a team is eligible to make the playoffs with a losing record overall the coaches and administration hold the final decision to apply or not. The NCS does not force any school or team to take part in playoffs.
10) Finally he pointed out that in the CCS EVERY
team makes the football playoffs regardless of record while the NCS still requires each team to have at least a .500 record in one of the three categories.
How’s that for being Naieve Football”smart?”
Who cares where I live? It wouldn’t make any difference on whether or not I would go to the game on Friday night. I have lived in large, small and medium sized cities it doesn’t change my opinion. I am a parent of a player of course I go to the games on Friday night, I hope you would do the same.
I am talking about entertainment for the parents and fans of a specific team that makes the playoffs, not more entertainment for people that have no life. I would think most people would chose not to go to a high school football game in which they have no personal interest. You have got to be joking.
Ok I will concede the point that there are coaches like you who would rather not play other teams in the playoffs and just be crowned champions immediately after the seeding meetings. Tell them not to coach in the CCS. lol
Pick yourself off the floor again because directly from Gil Lemmons mouth was that expanding the playoffs will directly bring additional funds to member school.
Concessions sales all go to the schools this is also known in some places as “fundraising”. lol
You Said:
Whatever money that gets raised goes straight into the pockets of the NCS administrators and none to the schools. As a fan or a parent, why should I subsidize your salary because your budget got cut?
YOU ARE WRONG! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
You Said:
And this aint propaganda I’m talking either. Tell me when was the last time you’ve heard of or seen any HS prosper from money made through the NCS playoffs?
My Response:
I know that many schools each year prosper both financially and in good will in the playoffs. See; Analy High School Basketball last year for one of many examples. If it is not in the schools best financial or other interest to be in the playoffs then simply do not apply.
Really… Les Schwab tires is a sponsor of North Coast Section?… I didn’t know that before you pointed it out. Ha Ha
You said:
All you have to do is cal the NCS offices yourself and ask them where the money goes. Then you’ll see propaganda at it’s best. I have nothing on them when you get your question answered.
Come back on here and let us all know what they tell you OKAY?
I “cal”led the NCS offices: How does that crow taste my “Smart?” friend. ha ha ha ha ha ha. ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Keep on showing us how “SMART?” you are…. Please?!
November 10th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Footballsmart- both schools i mentioned were thought to the best in the country. mater dei was the year the year before DLS scheduled them. The series went like this DLS, two time DLS went down to SoCal, very close games 28-21, 31-28 where MD kicker missed a field goal as time expired to send it into overtime. Two times MD traveled up here big time blowouts. Poly was considered not only the number one team in the country before the played DLS. Out of state matchups with Bosco who was number 2 in the country behind DLS in 2003. DLS actually was trying to get NCS to allow them to play a game after NCS playoffs were over against Bosco that year, but it fell through. Lakeland was mythical number one twice i think in 05 and 06. DLS tried to get South Lake Carroll from Texas a few years back but as they were traveling to Mission Viejo they wanted SLC to come here and they didn’t want to. I expect we will see another out of state matchup next year. the only game I know of so far is the Serra game though which I am guessing is going to be a yearly thing at this point.
November 10th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Ebal1
1) If American doesn’t want to apply they don’t have to, just to be embarrased against a superior team.
2) If a coach is worried about his studs getting hurt get them out of the game as soon as possible and let the subs and JV call-ups get some well deserved reps against the far weaker competition.
3) A few fans will bring in some money whereas a bye will bring in nothing.
4) While you bring up the teams with a losing record to prove expansion was wrong. What about the many other teams EVERY YEAR who have been left out of the playoffs with both winning records and good arguments simply because there was no room?
5) I can see a case where a coach would “like” a lower seed so that his team doesn’t have to take a bye.
6) Some of the 8 vs 9 or 7 vs 10 matchups that would have been decided in a closed door meeting will now be exciting matchups for both teams that will be decided on the field, instead of lopsided loses in the first round by the 8 seed to “DLS”. (That can now happen in round 2 lol)
7) The Good News?: Expansion has been approved so coaches will have to DEAL with it good and bad.
November 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
HS Football Fan… You’ve finally contributed something that actually makes sense now. Thanks for taking the challenge and calling the NCS. I love everything you wrote.
Only problem is NCS and CCS are two completely different sections and are run completely different as well and you pointed out all the obvious flaws of letting everyone in the playoffs.
BTW I already knew that you have to actually apply to get into the playoffs and never suggested or hinted that teams were forced to apply. But in all honesty, what coach isn’t going to apply knowing they can get into the playoffs even though they really shouldn’t be in it?
Second problem is real simple math…
2) Coincidentally NCS just sent checks totaling approx. $77,000.00 back to member schools, they originally wanted to send back $150,000.00 but he said it just wasn’t in the budget this year. While he admitted that $77,000.00 divided by 150 schools wasn’t a whole lot of money, he said the NCS exists solely for the benefit of the member schools and does not “Syphon off” money from the schools. They are not some privately held corporation and all of their financials are available to all of the members at any time.
$77,000 divided by 150 = $513.33 per school. This money is to fund every sport at that one school. This is a joke!!! Did you ask him HOW MUCH MONEY THEY TOOK IN?
6) For all NCS sports each team that makes the playoffs has to pay an $85 fee. The section pays for game administration and game officials as well as all transportation to and from game sites for up to four games. The Section gets the gate income and the schools get the concession income and any other fundraising such as T-Shirt sales/raffles etc.
So they get back $85 bucks per school of the $513 they just received? Am I right?
The gate charge is the most expensive thing and the section gets this money and the school keeps the hot dog and soda money huh?
Have to sell a lot of hot dogs just to break even at most schools. Hard to do if people ate before they came to the game. Also hard to make money on a raffle when you give half of it away to the winner.
7) He said that the expansion in football playoffs could mean up to an additional $20,000.00 in net revenue to the section.
Did he say how much of that goes to the schools in the playoffs? How many Divisions are there in NCS? 6 at last count. In D2 alone there are 16 teams that will make the playoffs. Divide that 20 grand by 16 and each school walks away with $1,250. Now divided that by the number of schools in each of the 6 Divisions in the NCS and they’ll be lucky to walk away with $50 after they’ve paid the NCS $85 to get in to play in the first place and then give them the whole gate from the people that come to the games.
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Ok I will concede the point that there are coaches like you who would rather not play other teams in the playoffs and just be crowned champions immediately after the seeding meetings. Tell them not to coach in the CCS. lol
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You’ve got to be kidding me.. When did I ever say anything close to this? I, along with others have and will continue to say I would rather risk losing to a good team over some team that gets in no matter what they did like what goes on in the CCS like you pointed out.
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1) They NCS are an association that answers directly to and is “owned” by the member schools. They do exactly what the 150+ or – schools tell them to do in votes in their general and executive meetings held regularly.
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So basically they only answer to themselves then because the members of the board at NCS are also principals and administrators at the schools that are members of the NCS. Which circles back to what you mentioned in #2 about all of their financials are available to all of the members at any time. Meaning since they’re not a privately held corporation all the money they make pretty much stays in house anyway. And since the section pays for game administration and the NCS administration is comprised of member school administrators they basically pay themselves for what they do then right?
Why are the financials not available to the public at large like they are in private corporations so that people like you and I can see how much money they make from all their sponsors like Les Schwab Tires, Farmers Insurance, Pacheco Brothers Landscape and Gardening, California Correctional Peace Officers Association (One of the largest unions in California) and Max Preps (who racks in a ton of money from their own advertising charges to the companies that you see on their website)?
November 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
lets stick to topic here guys. its Division II Breakdown not DI, so why is it you guys are constantly bringing those teams up?
November 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
FootballSmart,
It has happened where eligible teams haven’t applied to the playoffs when they could’ve gotten in. Last year, three teams (Albany, Alhambra and Piner) were eligible in Division III and none of them applied, thus leaving Encinal with a first-round bye. I spoke with Albany coach Scott Shevelson about it and he just felt his 3-7 team wasn’t deserving of a spot and he wasn’t going to apply when they weren’t worthy. Alhambra and Piner were both 2-8 but all have qualified through their divisional records. Not saying its common, but there are some coaches who sometimes choose not to apply.
November 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Football Smart coaches at YV
November 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Wow, some coaches with integrity Jimmy. They also knew that it would be a waste of time and money to play another game just to get embarrassed by the higher seeded team. But if they were HS Football fans team they would apply just to get in another game for the fun of it.
November 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Uglies, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your sole purpose just to come on here and reveal where I coach?
November 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Uglies, it’s nobody’s business but my own where I coach. Who are you to try and figure out where I coach and then tell people if I already said I’m not going to. Where I coach is irrelevant to the topics discussed in here.
November 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
dude its not that hard to figure out you (FootballSmart) coach at ygnacio.
You said you coach … you blew up at anyone who thought Concord would beat YV and came to gloat as soon as YV beat Concord.
EVERYBODY: FootballSmart is a YV football coach who spends 10 hours a day writing on this blog. Now who could it be? He doesn’t have the balls to post his real name like Tenorio or Trot do. Probably some assistant coach who has no life because, really, who else would have the time to sit around all day clicking refresh just to get into mindless arguments. Someone should call the YV head coach to see if he likes his assistants acting like that.
November 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
F.U. Uglies, that is disgraceful.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Oh just because I didn’t agree with the mindless reason people thought Concord would beat YV means I coach there? How funny is that? Comments like yours punisher and those Concord fans who brag about nothing is the reason you get blown up by me and everyone else. I guess everyone else who blew up the Concord fans as well coach at YV too right? So what I said I coach football. I didn’t say where and you can draw whatever conclusion you want for it. Doesn’t make you right either. And you spend just as much time on this blog as anyone else so who are you to talk about how much time I do. Go ahead and call the coach at YV, he’ll probably laugh at you for wasting his time trying to figure out who someone is that writes on a blog.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I guess The Punisher is your real name too right? Who do you punish by the way? The only thing you probably punish is what’s between your legs with your hand.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Play the deflection game all you want, you coach at YV.
Fact: You said you are a coach.
Fact: You were butt hurt when other people picked Concord to beat YV.
Fact: You came to gloat on the blog when YV beat Concord.
Are you saying you coach somewhere else, but chose to adopt YV as a team to follow on the side? Come on man, no one believes that.
It’s almost too predictable at this point, you will now go into spin mode, probably make a sophomoric joke, maybe in capital letters and try to slam me in some way.
My guess is you realized the YV head coach wouldn’t approve one of his assistants acting the way you do. You probably also realized you gave away a lot about who you are (working for two pro baseball teams, a pro football team etc) and if someone really wanted to ID you, they could.
I expect to get your reply within 10 minutes. What time is practice at YV today?
November 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Whatever you say Punisher. If you followed the string of conversation with other people you will see that I said I like football period. I happen to be familiar with the teams in the DVAL and have seen most of them play over the past three years since I do live in the same area. I have a nephew that plays at Las Lomas because he lives in Walnut Creek and have seen him play against some of the teams in the league too.
I gloated because the Concord fans were arrogant in their comments about why they would beat YV. Nothing they said had anything to do with logic and so I commented on it having seen BOTH teams play this year. I hate cocky teams and cocky fans of cocky teams and it was fun to knock them down a peg just like it is to do to you because you’re just as arrogant and cocky as they are.
I didn’t ADOPT YV as my team for no other reason other than what I just said.
That’s not spin because there are others on here who would probably agree with me. There are plenty of others who also took YV’s side in winning the game too, do they ALL coach at YV also?
And even if I did coach at YV why would I care what the head coach thinks about what I do with my time. I’m a grown man, and I don’t get paid to coach so whether he approved or not doesn’t concern me in the slightest. He would probably get a kick out of it in fact.
Why are you so concerned with who I am anyway? You stalking me? You have a crush on me or something? If you know so much about me, ID me and come see me face to face and talk all your smack to my face then…
November 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
wow geetting so heated
hey jimmy what game will u be attending friday. do you think anybody can take down dls this year in ncs
November 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
FB SMART- You don’t actually wear that ring in public do you? Quit hogging the board, can you spell “bi-polar?”
November 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Bhsfan, I’m hoping to see a showdown between DLS and Deer Valley.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
i also thought yv would beat concord, yv is usually a physical team
November 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
EBAL FAN #2… What do you care? You wish you had one to wear?
November 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
of course i want berkeley to take them down, we will see how the playoffs go. should b great games in all div
November 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
i been picking to pick yv to beat concord,and i aint a coach,im there waterboy.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I guess Bhsfan coaches at YV too since he thought they would win. YV must have a lot of assistant coaches on this blog.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Sorry Bhsfan, I forgot Berkeley was in the same division. Carter has done a great job there it would be nice to see them beat DLS too. Ooops I better not show too much favortism Punisher will then say I coach there too for wanting to see Berkeley take down DLS.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I been hearing good things about DV…anybody seen them play??..Heard there speed is ridiculous…
November 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Sorry to tell you this FootballSmart… it is VERY OBVIOUS that you coach at YV!
That is one thing I respect about you however that you are a great champion of your team.
The name calling and twisting the statements of others I don’t respect, however as I have said before this is all entertainment and I for one have fun checking this blog and reading your new comments. It would be very hard for me to get upset at you even when you call me names cause I just get more laughs out of that.
Your last response to me actuallly showed some humility and I appreciate that.
As for your question about NCS financials they are available to the general public on the NCS website each year for several months after the fiscal year ends. (If you click the link now it will say page not found, I tried it.)
As for the amount of money sent back to the schools, the ONLY playoffs that actually make money for the section each year are Football, Basketball and marginally Wrestling. All of the other 16 or so sports (boys & girls) are lucky to break even or in fact lose money. The sponsors (thankfully) fill that gap.
In football or basketball its not hard to earn back the $85 cause that is for the DURATION of the playoffs. A higher seed could get 1 to 4 home games, and the Section pays all referees and Game Administration (Gate Personel, Clock keepers, Announcer etc.) Not school administration.
No matter how many teams make the playoffs the #1 seed will always play a vastly inferior team but once again expansion was never about the 1st or last teams it was about the good bubble teams getting their shot.
Thank goodness football and basketball expansion is finally here.
I will finish by saying the one thing I do disagree with the NCS about (and forgot to mention to Mr. Lemmons) is the NCS charges radio stations $800 to cover the games. It’s usually the smaller stations that want to cover High School football and I know this keeps stations from covering more games during the playoffs, especially in this economy. I believe it makes the games that much more exciting if you can follow your team on the radio as well. (Some of the live blogs available on the net are awesome though)
Once again good luck to all the deserving teams who will now get their shot at the brass ring in every division.
November 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Sorry forgot one point:
If it was all just about how much money could go back to each school. The members of NCS could just cancell all playoffs in non-profitable sports and just hold the playoffs for Football, Basketball and Wrestling and each school would reap a huge windfall.
Most people know that Football and Basketball profits help fund the rest of the sports programs at every school, however that just won’t happen for a multitude of GREAT reasons.
The $20,000.00 in increased net profit mentioned by Mr. Lemmons was strictly based on the INCREASE in teams that would now be eligible in FOOTBALL I am quite sure that the TOTAL profits based on the football playoffs as they were previously configured are substantially greater than that amount.
ALL excess funds collected by the NCS first go to paying for “non-profitable” playoffs then are paid BACK to the member schools.
November 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
HS Football Fan I only championed YV over Concord because as I stated before, when I read some of the arrogant comments of the Concord fans, especially and surprisingly from a parent who put down blue collar workers and called themselves elite athletes it made it easy to pick a side.
As someone who loves sports in general and football in particular it gets to me to see people who have been doormats for so long act as if they are all of a sudden a dynasty when they taste a little success and show absolutely no respect for the other teams they play against.
If my response to ignorance makes it seem obvious that I coach at a particular school then so be it because I would have done the same thing no matter what school it was if Concord fans had said the same thing about another school.
Just based on seeing them play against at least five teams this year I’m not a real big fan of their program. Their players are arrogant beyond belief and I don’t think they handle their new found success very well and it shows in the blogs their fans write also.
I went to the Concord – Clayton Valley game and seeing the Concord team come out and throw down a sledge hammer on their opponents field to me shows no class and is very disrespectful to your opponent.
It’s not something I would ever teach any kid I come across that plays sports. It just so happens that I know a lot about the teams that play in the DVAL and DFAL because I live in the area and there are so many HS within a 20 mile radius to see.
One thing we do have in common is being a champion of underdogs and that’s why I just as you respect what you were saying as well and to a certain degree agreed with you as far as the playoff subject went. I on the other hand want to see underdogs that at least have winning records play as opposed to a 2-7 team.
I respected you more for making the call and coming back with what you learned from the NCS. Most people wouldn’t do that and you get kudos for what you brought back to the discussion.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Smart- ONLY if I actually played OR owned the team. Which team do you own?
November 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Footballsmart,
It’s all good, I think we probably would be able to share a beer and would agree on more things than we disagree about. The respect is now mutual. I don’t want to see 2-7 teams in the playoffs either and don’t think we will. Honestly, good luck to you and your team in the playoffs. I know with your enthusiasm and energy your kids will leave it all on the field, and win or lose will have memories that will last them a lifetime.
This really is the best time of year in High School sports with Football playoffs and Basketball starting at the same time.
This exercise has been alot of fun.
See you all in the blogs. ha ha
November 10th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
EbalFan #2 I own the Anaheim Angels
November 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I guess it’s too bad for you that you don’t own a team then.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
HS Football Fan, We could share a beer as long as we have separate glasses
November 11th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I personally think that this is the hardest division to judge. There are going to be a lot of good games in the playoffs. You’ve got teams like YV that lost to Oakland Tech, who lost to Pinole. Then PV loses to Alameda, who tied BOD. And then BOD goes and loses to SLZ, whom Alameda beat. A lot of the teams lack strong schedules. Peteluma number one seed for sure. From there it’s too hard to judge. There is going to be a lot of good playoff games!