- East Bay Prep Corner
Final State Bowl Picture
By Kyle Bonagura
Saturday, December 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pm in Uncategorized.
Thoughts? – KB
OPEN
After De La Salle breezed through the NCS Division playoffs, there should be no debate. DLS is arguably the hottest team in the state right now and should be the Open representative from the North.
The serious candidates are Crenshaw-Los Angeles (14-0), Oceanside (13-0) and Servite (13-1). Both Crenshaw and Servite are D-II, so it makes sense for Oceanside to play in the D-I game, so Crenshaw and Servite also get to go to Carson. Servite avenged its lone loss of the year when it beat Edison in the SS Pac-5 title game, while Crenshaw is undefeated. Both teams have their cases, but I think Crenshaw goes to the Open because it is undefeated.
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DIVISION I
(Assuming DLS is at the Open)
If Rocklin goes to the Open, then there is no question De La Salle will play in the D-I game. However, if DLS goes to the Open, it will come down to either Bellarmine-San Jose (11-1-1) or Nevada Union-Grass Valley (12-1). A better Bellarmine team got left out a year ago, so does the committee make it up to them? NU’s only loss was to Rocklin, so shame there. Bellarmine got blown out by a SJS team (St. Mary’s), which should help NU. I think Nevada Union is the more deserving team, but Bellarmine gets picked.
Oceanside is an option to go to the option, but it seems more logical for it to end up at D-I over teams like Chapparal, Eastlake and Bullard.
Bellarmine-San Jose vs Oceanside.
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DIVISION II
(Assuming DLS in the Open)
It’s similar to last year when Grant/DLS were going to play Centennial/Long Beach Poly, but no one knew what teams would be in which division. If it plays out how I think it should, Rocklin (the champ of NorCal’s toughest division, SJS D-II) gets to play Servite (the champ of SoCal’s toughest division, SS Pac-5). If Rocklin ends up in the Open, Del Campo, which beat Inderkum, will be at D-II.
(Assuming Crenshaw in the Open)
Westlake has a legit claim to the D-II spot with a 14-0 record, but Servite simply played a much tougher schedule. Much like how DLS’s losses to Bosco and Lakeland shouldn’t hurt, Servite’s loss to Edision shouldn’t hurt. Especially since Servite avenged that loss.
Projection: Rocklin vs Servite-Anaheim
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DIVISION III
This figures to be the most lopsided game of the bowls. It’ll be between Marin Catholic (12-1) and Carmel (12-0) to get served up to South. Marin Catholic played a much, much tougher schedule and shutout a powerful Encinal team in the NCS D-III title game. Carmel has an explosive offense and no close game, but the rankings side with Marin Catholic.
South
Projection: Marin Catholic vs Serra-Gardena
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SMALL SCHOOLS
North
(Assuming MC in D-III)
Nothing has changed, Modesto Christian is the only team that could conceivably compete at a bowl game. Which is why MC should not be bumped to D-III.
South
There are three eligible teams: Francis Parker-San Diego, St. Margarets-San Juan Capistrano and Linfield Chrisitan-Temecula. Parker beat SM and played a much tougher schedule than LC. This one is in stone.
Projection: Modesto Christian vs Francis Parker.
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December 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
agree whole heartedly with the picks. Rocklin’s qb is supposedly lost for the year with a broken arm. This has to make it easier to put them at DII.
December 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
So, the open division game is going to be likely De La Salle and Serra from So Cal, with their win over Oaks Chr?
December 12th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Believe it! First half 42-00. I think this will silence all the critics and experts. Lots of Div 1 players on the other side of the ball- looks like ALL of them were handled.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:08 am
when will teams be chosen for state championships??
December 13th, 2009 at 12:34 am
There’s only 3 things certain in this world, death, taxes and De La Salle.
December 13th, 2009 at 3:06 am
I agree with Yo Mama tonight! It was an interesting first half that saw Pitt get handled mightily and was totally outclassed by De La Salle’s first team. How can you say anything less? The second half saw a lot of DLS second and third team players get a chance to play, which I basically support. It did look like the first team might come in to stop the orange and black but I’ve got to give Lad credit, he believes in all his players. They did pretty well but Pitt was bound to score with some Sophomoric errors by DLS. Does anyone think the margin of victory tonight was big enough for the open with Lad playing the other kids most of the second half tonight? You’ve got to hand it to him, he knew they’d hold on even against the Pitt first string! Pitt kept on trying and really never let down the rest of the game. Good job Pirates. You had a heck of a season.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Let’s hope De La Salle doesn’t get penalized-again-for playing the state’s toughest schedule(for years). Look
where it two loss opponents are–# 2 & 6 nationally.
The other teams in the hunt really didn’t play ANYBODY(Grant beat a mediocre Bellvue team, Oaks Christian beat a Skyline team that, despite winning its state title, got hammered shortly after the OC game by a local rival). Then Grant and OC, after playing dogs for two years, finally meet their match(Grant’s win over Long Beach Poly was vs. the worst Poly team in years). You’d think these other contending schools would learn to take on all comers, lose occasionally, and be better off for it in the long run.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Time to add another bowl game. The Private School-Best Job Recruiting Bowl (sponsored by Citi). After 18 years of NCS D1 domination, does anybody really believe it is the coaching only? How about this, privates can only field teams with players who live in a five mile radius of their campus, much like the public schools they “compete” against.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Having seen Rocklin twice on TV and once live, they are not even close to DLS caliber.
DLS in the open game…no brainer.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:07 am
look here are a few points
Tom- Poly last year yes was not on the level of some of the great poly teams of earlier in the decade but they went undefeated through the toughest section in California last year. They also had beaten a 6A finalist in Florida in their first game of the year last year. Also Poly went 6-6 this year so this year is probably one of the worst Poly teams ever. Also Lakeland of FL lost on Friday night in the Florida 5A semi’s so they will drop from that lofty national ranking. That is not to discredit the schedule DLS put together and I feel if they played Lakeland now would put a hurting on them.
Secondly yes I feel DLS is playing on a different level then Rocklin right now, but Rocklin’s resume is good enough for the open set by the standards of last year’s selections. However, from what I understand their qb is done for the year and I guess the SJS commish Pete Saco has said he will be trying to get the D2 game for Rocklin and it might just have something to do with losing their best player.
Also I feel like teams will be content to let DLS play the supposed best team from SoCal because if DLS loses again it might hurt their future bowl game chances. Anyways just some thoughts am happy DLS won last night and look forward to seeing them play again next weekend.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
DLS is a great team. I have seen them twice this year once in league and then last night against Pitt. Based on what I’ve observed DLS doesn’t belong in a public school league and division. Lad is a great coach in the circumstances unique to a private school. But, would Lad be able to take Cal, which is in the neighborhood where he lives and the public school his children would go to, to a state campionship? What about Bart Houston. A resident of San Ramon, would Houston achieve the same results under center at Cal High or Dougherty? I’m sure his abilities are exceptional as are those of the rest of the players at DLS. How would those public schools finish if the top DLS 22 starters on both sides of the ball actually went to the public schools in the communities where they reside. With DLS having the opportunity of the best players from communities of the entire Bay Area enroll at DLS, specifically for the football program, there will be no other NCS D-1 Football Champions until the NCS creates another division for teams like DLS i.e. Don Bosco Prep is in Division “Non-Public” Group 4. If this went into effect we’d have a great Public School Division I playoff Championship Game as well as a great Non-Public Power Division where it would actually be a challenge for both divisions. NCS really should consider the creation of a Non-Public Division.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
basically it would be exciting to see a Private school state playoffs and public school state playoffs like in NJ and Texas
December 13th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
the problem with creating a non-public division for NCS is DLS is the only D1 private school. St. Mary’s, Salesian, Bishop O’ Dowd, Valley Christian, Moreau Catholic, Berean Christian, St. Elizabeth, St. Partick- St. Vincent, Marin Catholic are all too small. DLS used to be in a Catholic league back in the 80′s until they were moved to a different league. They have a new Catholic school being built in Livermore that is supposed to have an enrollment of I believe 1500 students and will be co-ed. so once they are full they will be D1 as well. That will still only be two D1 private schools. Everyone keeps harping on DLS’ ability to draw from the entire Bay Area and yes technically that is true but the entire Bay Area is huge. So big that nearly half of it is in a different section. So is DLS really getting kids from all over the Bay Area? The answer is no.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Kyle,
Any chance you could post a roster of the DLS team along with the city in which they reside? It would be interesting to know how many players receive financial aid, the DLS web site says tuition this year is $13,900 (thats $55,600 for four years). Also, according to the school web site, 26% of all students receive over $1.8 million in financial assistance from, in part, a “generous donor base”.
December 13th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I concur that it would be ideal for CIF to commence a public schools playoff format and a seperate private schools (both parochial and other private schools) format, like they do in some other states.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
To all you DLS bashers. You do realize that if a kid in eastern Alameda and eastern Contra Costa counties wants to get a Catholic education DLS is the school they would go to. Yes not all of the DLS players are Catholic but I bet most of them are.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Actually, the majority of the rooster is from Contra Costa County. The tri-valley area and Concord produce most of the students. They also have kids from East County, it’s right next door to Concord. Very easy to commute to DLS, easy freeway access and many surface roads to campus. They have a Catholic Grammer school feeder system. If you haven’t attended a Catholic grammar school, you would not understand. They groom the student to go to a Catholic high school. De La Salle is the only Catholic high school east of the tunnel, that means those students are most likely going to DLS. As for financial aid, all Catholic high schools have financial aid available to students whose parents qualify by income. The aid is approved through a financial aid clearing house out of state, the school does not know who gets the aid until the school year starts. It’s kind of like college, that’s why it’s college prep. Bye the way, those parents sending their kids to these Catholic high schools are paying public school taxes in the areas that they live and their kids don’t go to the schools. They are basically help funding your kids in those school districts. So if they choose to send their kids somewhere else, that’s their choice.
I think you should look at the football rooster for height and weight, they sure don’t have any advantage there. Now if you want to rank grades, that’s another subject that would don’t want to get on with me. It starts at home, 3 squares a day or not.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Here are the official bowl matchups as posted on twitter
Open: DLS vs. Crenshaw
D1: Bellarmine vs. Oceanside
D2: Rocklin vs. Servite
D3: Marin Catholic vs. Serra (Gardena)
Small Schools: Modesto Christian vs. Parker
December 13th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“Official” and “Twitter” should never be used in the same sentence.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Thank goodness we have a great team to represent NCS at State. I think DLS is good for elevating play in the EBAL.
The argument is also a matter of perspective. Take away DLS and some other EBAL team would win NCS EVERY year. Is that “fair” to the other leagues in D1? With the possible exception of Pitt, there is zero chance of anyone else winning. So this is really a 680 corridor issue.
I would rather have DLS than let them go independent.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
electric wr: ttp://twitter.com/cifstate
it has been said numerous times the announcements would first be made on twitter.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
wow- 6 teams in state finals are private.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I have been filming watching semi playoff games for the past 3 years and have witnessed DLS dominate every year. Here is my point to make… IF public schools MUST comply with NCS rules ie players must go to the schools and the rules of all schools have policies that students MUST live not only in the district but the neighborhood of that school or they are not allowed to go to that school then why the !@#$%^&*( is a PRIVATE school that has attendance from not only kids out of the neighborhood but out of the district allowed to play in our division? My point IF DLS were so great then they would play with kids who live in their zip codes and then let’s see what their team looks like let me guess for you… ummm LIVERMORE Is the coach really that good or is it that each player that is that good actually should be going to a different school. The only reason talent goes to DLS is to showcase that the players from ALL over the bay area make up a dominating factor. I say this is complete Bull $%^& and Private schools should play other private schools with the same set of rules. NCS what really is your motive for having 2 sets of rules for your program? I love how DLS traveled to the east coast to get their does of medicine. If public schools choose to play DLS in preseason then by all means but let’s be real is a win really a win when the playing field is stacked against the odds? I would love to see the zip codes for the DLS football players and where they really should be playing and also who is paying their tab…
December 13th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
***OFFICIAL STATE BOWL MATCHUPS***
(as predicted by Erik in Sac)
De La Salle vs Crenshaw HS OPEN
Nevada Union vs Oceanside HS DIV I
Rocklin HS vs Servite HS DIV II
Marin Catholic vs Serra HS DIV III
December 13th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Erik, Bellarmine is going, not Nevada Union.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
TEAMS WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT 3:30 PM PER CIF WEBSITE
December 13th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
No need for the state meeting, just let Kyle pick em….nice job on going 5 for 5 on your predictions from yesterday at this blog.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Post # 23, their parents are paying the freight. I know because I paid mine. I’m all for a private /public playoff system, however that won’t change the facts in the end(zone).
If De La doesn’t beat the publics, other 680 teams ( EBAL) will. Look at Monte Vista- Berkeley- it was never close.
The publics who have great programs have lots of kids attending outside the their district. Just look at Miramonte and BHS in the past. Just look mat MACK when Coach Carter was there, he was bringing in kids from everywhere. All you have to do is register within the school district with a relative, or have a hardship with jobs and transportation.
Berkeley High had numerous basketball and track stars from all over in the ’70′s and ’80′s. Many of them did not live in Berkeley.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
post #28 that is pretty silly of you to say just because you paid that everyone is paying… come on now you have no idea who is paying. I know for a fact that a friend of mine who had 2 kids attend DLD was a single mom who went on a payment plan of some silly amount when she would go into the office to pay the small amount she could afford would be told… Oh Mrs. Blank your tuition has been taken care of.. hummm
December 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
whoops not DLD meant DLS
December 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
BTW the 70 and 80′s are over… Good luck trying to register your kid in a district it’s much harder to do this these days your dating yourself post 28
December 13th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
DeLaSalle was winning NCS championships in the ’80s and sure didn’t have any more money to hand out then either. Before Ladecour came, they were terrible. Did money buy them success then?
Furthermore, more well do do public schools solicit parents to contribute to programs if their kid is playing(EBAL). The last time I checked, the parents payed for uniforms for swimming, water polo, socreer, tennis, etc. Football is tradionally not paid for, helmets and uniforms are re-used. Would be nice to see some booster clubs from these schools that are complaining. Good old fashion hard work, like car washes, candy sales, crab feeds, pasta feeds, pot lucks can raise money to enhance the programs. Mabey getting off the couch on Sundays and stop blaming society for all their woes, take that energy and apply it to your kid’s experience. Long Beach Poly and Pittsburg have storied programs and don’t play that sympathy crap.
December 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
The real solution to this is a real State Playoff system.
Split it up by pub and private
Only league champions allowed/top eligible team. For instance, this year DLS would be representative in PRIVATE playoffs and Amador would be representative in PUBLIC playoffs. No more “feel good” playoff appearences for second rate teams. Makes league record meaningful.
NCS playoffs are done in two weeks. Another two weeks for Norcal Playoffs (San Joaquin/Sac/North.
State split into 4 areas; North, Central (Fresno to Bakersfield, these people NEVER get a look for State Consideration, very unfair), LA, San Diego. Two more games.
Results:
State champions decided on the field. Private champ, public champs. Caveat that tradition would dictate State Champs would play each other in following year preseason. Everybody wins!
All you have to give up is letting teams on the playoffs that have no business being in the playoffs. Sorry American, you don’t get killed in first round (down 30-0 in first quarter).
Before all of the crying, there is a solution. You only have the Section officials to blame , not De La Salle.
December 13th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I love all these new bloggers that pop up everyday to complain about the same things. I’m beginning to wonder if they just aren’t the same two or three people using different names.
December 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I love people like uranidiot,(so clever), who get on blogs and profess to know something out of clear bitterness, just look at his handle that they have no clue about. I am a single parent with two kids in school and guess what uranidiot, I pay my way. Both my kids are athletes and starters in multiple sports and I don’t make a load of money. I just choose to spend it on their education. Maybe you live in a really fancy house and drive terrific cars and get on line to complain. It comes down to choices and mine are clear. My kids go to the school I want them to and I happen to live in the number one high school district in the state…Acalances in case you don’t know.
Hey uranidiot, well, I don’t really have anything else to say but I sure like calling you by your name!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Hey uranidiot,
Are you ok? Do you need someone to call a waaaaahhhhbulance for you? You sound like a bitter, pathetic, whiny, crybaby to me….
You no nothing, I repeat NOTHING about DLS…and you making statements that in post #29 shows just how full of shite you really are…
December 13th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Sorry idiot…I meant you KNOW nothing, not no…ooops…bad usage of grammar on my part….
December 13th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Come on Jamzz,
Isn’t it fun to address Uranidiot by name? Too bad he didn’t think of that when he picked his name. Proved his point real well!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
I’m wondering if one or more of you posters complaining about the unfair advantage of the private schools was on the officiating crew at the Justin-Siena/Fort Bragg game Friday night. What an abomination.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Post 36 All I have done is state the obvious It’s really simple and the fact that all you who have your loyalties to DLS and don’t want to play other Catholic school that can really compete on the same playing field ie your few weeks back East Coast experience really means to me that you all have small Dic%^&* and want to play where the deck is stacked in your favor.
Sorry about the jab and your small manhood… ; )
December 13th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Post 38 Say what I was addressing you by name Your an IDOT get it. ?
December 13th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
oh even more unoriginal DLS just loves the weak competition to make themselves feel better. Lad isn’t about challenging the players he just wants them to feel good about themselves. Forget that DLS plays at least one Catholic school in non-league every year. Or that they go out and play top national teams. They are all just big bullies who want to make others feel worse about themselves.
I will say it again, all the things DLS did to the D1 public schools they would do to the Catholic/Christian/Private schools who are not even D1. As a matter of fact the public schools probably provide more competition then the other privates. Playing in the WCAL cannot happen because it is in a different section. I don’t think that is getting through to most people. The WCAL is in the CCS and DLS is located within the NCS boundaries. DLS’ location will not be changing as much as some of you would like it to.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
AMEN gades!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
EBAL Fan #2, thanks for the lucid proposal regarding public and private championships. You make too much sense for the CIF. After all, one of the 6 pillars of the CIF is “fairness”…go figure.
Mega-kudos to the CCTimes sports staff for their stellar football coverage this season, unmatched and unrivaled in the State and beyond. It was great to see followers from as far away as Miami on the Saturday blog. I followed the action a week ago while in Vegas…twitter updates at the tables and the casino staff was asking “whattup?”.
Finally, good luck and great skill to the NorCal teams next week. Play well and stay healthy.
–H.S. football: “the pay is dirt but the memories last a lifetime.”
December 14th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Post 42 Your really have a thick head… If other schools could pull from other zip codes then what would anyone have to complain about? NOTHING however show us who is getting a free ride that starts on your football program cuz I know your tuition is NOT CHEAP… all I’ve been stating is DLS has a different set of rules because it is a PRIVATE school and that being said should play schools with the SAME set of rules. Come on now why are you trying to complicate things… KISS
December 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
BTW I’ve seen your fans for years and if you call them Catholic/Christians I think I would rather end up in Hell
December 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Now you are back to complaining about no boundaries. Do you not get my last post? It’s all the same, everyday someone complains about the fact that DLS has no boundaries or whatever advantages come with being a private school. Who cares? It is not going to change. So why keep complaining? DLS will always be private and that means that kids can from wherever they want to play for DLS. I know some starting football players who do get FINANCIAL AID and some starting players who pay there way. Yes believe it or not there are people who make the sacrifice of two jobs a day to get their kid an education at DLS. As someone else said the school is not even in charge of approving who gets financial aid. But all that is personal information and to expect the school to post who gets it and who doesn’t is wrong. That’s a privacy issue. Again the Private schools here do not want DLS in their league. It would be worse competition for DLS. Do you not get that?
December 14th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
OK Here’s the best way to shut me up! I’m willing to put up $100.00 (small wager but I’ll bet we can get others to wage in on this)_ DLS plays pre-season any of these teams and wins then they really are the superior team!
Montevista, Cal, Amador, Foothill. Here’s the catch…
ONLY boys living in the Concord Zip code can play this game.
and no cheating like on your rolling starts… they can’t live with their Great Aunt Susan, Keep it legit and you’ll be singing a different tune… Come on now let’s play ball !
December 14th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
post 47, what? How is it public schools problem that DLS can’t find any other private school to play with in the area??? I don’t care how far they have to travel to play another private school As soon as Public schools can freely take students from any zip then there will always be an issue. Let me talk down to your level. Let’s pretend for a moment that 1 public school had the advantage of no boundaries but the rest did then there would be an issue with them as well. It’s not the idea that I think DLS is not a great team It’s obvious they are But WHY??? come on now please don’t make me get out the whiteboard and draw you a picture.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Wow you really think you are so smart don’t you? You think you have found one of the major reasons that DLS is competitive. They get people that don’t live within a close radius to the school. Glory on high. You are a genius. I don’t think DLS would have enough boys to field a team if it was just players from Concord. So what? Everyone gets that their players come from all over because they are a private school. Why do you insist on beating a dead horse? We all understand this it’s nothing new you are pointing out. Is it DLS’ problem that the EBAL is the only league that would take them? No. DLS used to be in a league with all the Catholic schools and guess what they were removed because they were killing everyone. Yes schools with the same advantages were getting demolished in almost every sport. So they moved. And they keep on moving. They went independent. And then the NCS realigned them into the EBAL. I guess I need to get out a map for ya and show you geographically why DLS cannot be in the WCAL. See DLS is located in Concord which is in Contra Costa County. This is within the North Coast Section. The boundary between NCS and CCS(Central Coast Section) starts on the boundary between Fremont and Milpitas (which also is the boundary between Alameda County and Santa Clara County) and is forty-fifty minutes south of Concord. So if the state were to realign the sections with DLS being in CCS, then the MVAL, some of the DFAL schools, and the EBAL would all become part of the Central Coast Section. Simple enough for you? We all know what you are saying. We all get it. But no one cares anymore because it is not going to change. Public school will not be allowed to have open boundaries and private schools will. Get over it.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Come on Renegades10 you are such a DLS “homer” you are an easy target to argue with. The EBAL didn’t want DLS either. EBAL schools voted 7-0 against DLS moving in. The CIFNCS forced DLS on the EBAL. Mobody wants them let them go independent in football and I bet the Oakland League would take them in hoops.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
There you go then it is not anybody’s fault that DLS is in a league with the public schools. They can’t go independent for another two years at least. So there is no point in arguing that until the realignment committee meets. And even if they did, they will still have to play five of the EBAL schools. Just, other schools will get a shot at the EBAL title.
Yes I graduated from DLS, so what I defend my school. Have I anywhere denied the advantages they have over a public school? No. I am willing to listen to people’s points and have logical discussions with them but this guy keeps bringing up the same argument that has been talked about for a good part of a decade. It hasn’t changed, it’s not going to change, so why keep bringing it up?
December 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Uranidiot (and you are; You need to add to your proposal (#48) that the parents of all kids playing for the public schools have to pay tuition (and not use my taxpayer $$; in other words sacrifice a bit) of at least $10,000 (a real deal) to be able to play for the pubs. You want to level the playing field – do it on both sides. You don’t seem to understand that many, many sacrifices are made by families to get a good education for their children (seems to be a concept you cannot comprehend). Not too just play football. I would venture a guess that if you were as involved with the public school education as you are with the sports side you would get a clue!!! The parents certainly do not send their sons to DLS to get football schollies – the pubs do a much better job of that. They are interested in a great education and allowing the boys to establish life long relationships with like minded kids – education is important. Life is not just about sports and if you really knew as much as you pretend to know about DLS you would understand the real benefits from having our sons go to DLS. Just a clue – if the pubs would clean up the education offered a lot of families wouldn’t have to make the sacrifices they do
December 14th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
As a public school graduate, I sure am glad for teams like Lakeland, Bellevue,Centennial,Canyon,Clovis West,Mission Viejo,Palma and Clayton Valley, for going out and beating or tying DLS over the last five years as public schools and not whining like some of the posters here. Last I checked, private schools have been around for a long time and the immediate bay area has its fair share. Also NCS is not void of talent beacuse DLS has all the six foot, 200 pound lineman. The best QB’s are at Foothill and MV. The best RB’s are at Berk and Pitt before he hurt his knee. The kid at YV is not bad either for 260 lbs. Deer Valley has an excellent QB/ATH and a good RB as well. Has anyone seen the siblings at Granada play.
This year’s DLS team may have one guy go D-1 next year. That would make no more than two or three over the last three years. Where are all these stars that this team has their RB’s playing LB on defense as well. You think their money could buy some specialists?
Bottom line is that there are a lot of traits, like hard work and commitment that can trump a percieved talent advantage. Not everyone is up for it, some teams are and can/do succeed.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Renegades- let me take on these idiots- only 1 so far. If the SoCal and Wcal Catholic schools came up to the Bay Area it would be a full butt whippin” behind the woodshed. Get it?
Mater Dei, Servite, Norte Dame(Sherman Oaks), St. Boneventure(Ventura), Serra( Gardena), John Bosco(Bellflower), Loyola(LA), Wcal- Bellarmine, St.Francis, St. Ignauis, Mitty, Valley Christian, Serra.
SJS- St. Mary’s, Central Catholic(Modesto).
Youranidiot- by the time they’re finished with you, you would be God-fearing.
You would find out these are the kind of men you would want your daughter to marry and then give their father-in-law a job after they grad college. So stop insulting people with the suck my manhood bullsheeet- it’s low class.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Post 55 What does that mean… I would be God fearing, not sure even where your coming from with that jibberish.
Post 54 Very well put.
I think the idea that every few years this is going to come up as an issue is always going to be a reality as not everyone follows DLS’s every football moment and when they do it will always come to the table that the facts speak for themselves and then they start asking questions about how when and why… and I already said I was sorry about the small manhood insult.
there was no reference as to what you said, you have a dirty mind. Big Joe.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Tom,
Better hope DLS shows up this year. They certainly didn’t last year. Lots of invite to the big bowl, not much to show for it.
P.S. Bellevue hardly a mediocre team…they’re a Washington state champ, again. Can’t say the same for DLS. Just terrible last year, an embarrassment.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
funny thing is that people like to hate on winning programs… like DLS… and blame that private schools recruit. Well let’s take a look at the Bellevue team which has won 7 out of the last 10 Washington state titles… yes it is a great public school program… which RECRUITS!!! lol here’s the article from the seattle times…
A school district investigation into longstanding rumors of recruiting by the Bellevue High School football program has turned up no concrete evidence of violations. But administrators are concerned about a revelation that boosters are paying the head coach $55,000 a year.
At the request of the Bellevue School District, the Washington Interscholastic Activities Association (WIAA) will discuss whether to limit how much money booster clubs may provide to supplement coaches’ salaries. The group’s executive board meets Sunday and Monday.
The Bellevue district launched its investigation in March, seeking to either confirm or dispel rumors about the football dynasty. Bellevue has won 70 of its past 77 games, including state titles four of the past five years, and are 4-0 this season.
While the lead investigator, a former high-school principal, said she turned up no “smoking gun,” she said people involved with the program, including coaches, probably did things that “might be easily perceived as recruiting.”
Investigator Karin Cathey cited examples such as giving prospective student athletes tours of the football facilities and weight room, and talking to them or their relatives about the program before they transferred to Bellevue from other schools.
The most recent allegation came from John Bronson, a professional football player and older brother of Demetrius Bronson, a star running back at Kentwood High School. John Bronson said Bellevue head coach Butch Goncharoff called him in January, encouraging Demetrius to transfer to Bellevue.
But Goncharoff denied recruiting Demetrius, saying John Bronson called him first to bring up the possibility.
Sharon Howard, an assistant superintendent and the district’s legal counsel, said, “To the extent we can, we’ve tracked every lead we have and we haven’t found any substantiated violations. Tomorrow, if someone calls with something new, we’ll try again.”
Goncharoff denied ever recruiting a player or knowing of recruiting by anyone connected to his program.
“We knew there was nothing to hide,” Goncharoff said. “Part of me is glad it’s [investigation] done. … You get tired of people asking you questions.”
The investigation, released to The Seattle Times this week through a public-records request, found roughly 30 players on the Bellevue football roster last year who didn’t live in the high school’s attendance area. The school’s athletic director, Chris Hoffman, said that can be explained by the success of the program, the school’s strong academic reputation and, until this year, an “open enrollment” policy that accepted students from outside Bellevue High School’s attendance area and even the district’s boundaries.
Cathey agreed, saying she believes the large number of transfers results in large part from Bellevue’s unparalleled success.
“My guess would be most of them went there because they wanted to do it, not because they were recruited,” she said. “Maybe if you have a top-notch program, you don’t have to recruit.”
The district’s investigation began after The Times published a story in February detailing recruiting violations by the girls basketball coaches at Chief Sealth High School. The coaches were fired and the West Seattle team was subsequently forced to forfeit its 2005 and 2006 Class 3A state basketball titles.
The Bellevue School District received e-mails and letters from community members raising similar issues about the Bellevue football program.
Goncharoff, a former youth football coach, began coaching at Bellevue in 2000. Since then, the Wolverines have been the most successful high-school program in the state. They made national headlines in 2004 by beating legendary De La Salle of Concord, Calif., ending a national-record 151-game win streak.
“It’s a high-profile program and it gets lots of headlines, so people have contacted us and heard one thing or another — making accusations,” said Bellevue School District Superintendent Mike Riley. “Instead of blowing them off or pretending they didn’t happen, we took them seriously.”
Riley wrote in an e-mail to two administrators shortly after starting the investigation, “We’ll proceed with integrity and diligence, but I’ll be damned if we’ll let the reporters shape our work.”
The district hired Cathey, former principal of Newport and Sammamish high schools, which are in the Bellevue School District. She spent months interviewing about two dozen coaches, players, family members and others with knowledge of the program.
The investigation revealed that the Bellevue High School Football Booster Club began paying Goncharoff in 2003 to supplement his school-district salary of about $5,600.
“I didn’t know until the investigation that he was earning that money — I was surprised it was that much,” Riley said, adding that he is concerned that one coach in his district is getting paid by the booster club while others are not. “I’m looking for guidance by the WIAA if they think it’s appropriate or if rules need to be developed.”
Mike Colbrese, executive director of the WIAA, said his group has never discussed this issue.
Most schools in Washington pay head football coaches between $4,000 to $8,000, and assistant coaches about $500. A check of the booster clubs at five Eastside high schools found none that paid head football coaches. Another school district, Kent, doesn’t allow boosters to pay head coaches because of inequity issues. The head basketball coach at Mercer Island High School, Ed Pepple, was paid $17,304 by boosters one year, according to the group’s 2003 tax filing.
Goncharoff, who owns a printing business and is not a teacher, said the Bellevue booster club approached him after Bellevue won its second state title, in 2002. He was offered, and accepted, a $12,000 stipend for the next season. When Bellevue won a third championship, the amount grew to $55,000. Goncharoff said he never asked for the money or negotiated the amount. He does not believe the pay gives his team an advantage.
Greg Bennett, president of the booster club, said the salary “was related to [Goncharoff's] commitment of time to the kids and how many hours he was involved with that while he was trying to balance family and work.”
“It keeps him here rather than going elsewhere,” said, Bennett, whose son plays on the team.
When asked about the fairness of paying Goncharoff when most other booster clubs cannot afford to do so, he said: “That opportunity is available to every high school in the school district.”
Maggie Bentley, co-president of the Interlake High School Parent Teacher Student Association, said, “It’s a message: Are sports more important than academics?”
Bentley was one of the people who wrote to Riley earlier this year, raising concerns about recruiting and describing “the festering anger people are feeling.”
Cathey’s report showed the difficulties administrators had in advancing beyond he-said, she-said statements.
One widely circulated rumor had the mother of a player at Interlake, which is also in the Bellevue School District, being offered an apartment so her son could play for Bellevue. She denied it, no paperwork was found and the questions ended there.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Coach Gee,
Not quite sure where you are coming from as far as showing up. I was a huge fan of Centennial and they were the best team of all the schools last year. And the back to back games with DLS were very competitive. DLS was lucky to be in both of those games. If you want to see that Centennial play now, just watch the ASU Sun Devils. 5 or 6 of those players are playing for them. Show up? Against that squad? I would say that they held there own. Number seven was an absolute beast and the skill players were not far off. Plus they had revenge on their mind from losing the year before. Don’t let your hate for DLS short-change a monster of a public school team.
An embarrassment to who? There wouldn’t be a state game if DLS doesn’t win those early socal match-ups.Because I am sure there was a belief that football did not exist above Bakersfield for Socal followers. Down there, for every Mater Dei, there is a LB Poly. For every Servite there is a Mission Viejo and for every Oaks Christian, there is a Edison. Soon Nocal will have the same with Grant and Monte Vista and Rocklin all coming up.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
#58
Tired of all the recruiting/boundaries/privates/ debates/opinions which constantly pop up on the buzz blogs? So am I! Moving on…
A La Salle supporter stated after Sat’s game that Pitt had just as many coaches….uhhh, I seriously doubt it.
dLS 2009 coaching staffs via their website=
Varsity 10 coaches, JV 6 , Frosh 8(!) …TWO team buses to Carson! So let’s do a survey. List your coaching staff #’s V-JV-Fr (if have frosh).
Whether they are paid or not (success obviously attracts both athletic players and maybe pretty good coaches too) these numbers (fairly absent on these blogs) are a huge factor compared to many schools (my kids’ school 6-4-4…and doing great despite the #’s, gosh- would love just TWO more each level). Many coaches WANT/need? to move upward and onward given the right “opportunity” (Congrats Nev. State Champs, BerkHS HC to CCC?) since it’s not the money (right PayDirt ?) But with La Salle, it IS the top for many of these guys- as they know being HC @ a public means an immediate drop in the quantity (not quality per se, though) of available minds to help coach. I also have little doubt the dLS staff has VERY bright football minds practicing kids. Just their execution of gadget plays alone impresses there.
I’ve read the frequent dig to the publics- “gotta have your kids step it up”….very nearsighted statements. Anyone who coaches knows the greater number of knowlegdable coaches per group- or the smaller the group per coach, the more impact their teaching accomplishes. It’s not even a straight line correlation but an exponential increase.
Jr-BJoe-Rene10 ?
December 14th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I wonder if you peaple who say DLS recruits ever seen a DLS rooster. If DLS recruits they are a bunch of idiots. They are not idiots. I happen to know for a fact that most all of DLS players (about 97%) have never played organized football before attending DLS. It is the program not the players. How do you recruit players who never played before. The fact is any parent that gives a dam about there kids want them to go to DLS because they send 98% off there students to a 4 year major. Crazy but true.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
CHS- valid point. DLS staff has grown since the streak years but one thing I am not sure is realized is that a lot of the coaches at all levels teach on campus. And I am not talking PE teachers. Both Lad and Eidson teach religion classes, quite a few teach science classes, a few are history teachers so the provide more to the school then just being a football coach. Aliotti is one of the deans and a few others serve as substitutes as well serving in administrative jobs on campus. Also last year Pitt had nine varsity coaches according to their website, not sure about this year.
EBAL uncle- The CC Times ran article about Bellevue here as well a few years back and one thing mentioned was their use of a twenty year old player.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Coach Gee- DLS did show up last year. They faced a team that was better then them almost all over the field. More physical, faster and more talented. As someone said look at Arizona State and you see CC all over the field. A few at Arizona as well as some other big schools. Last the fact that DLS was in a position to win that game meant that they showed up. That game should not have been close judging the two teams on paper but the Spartans came and put up a helluva fight. The year before they almost choked a game they should have closed out in the third quarter thanks to some turnovers. but they still won. the only game they didn’t show up to was 2006 game against Canyon. Last year the team faced some adversity early but over the course of the season really came together and grew up. The real Spartan followers know that success is not only measured by what the kids do on the field but how they mature as young men. So last year’s team did not embarrass DLS by any means.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:01 am
“I happen to know for a fact that most all of DLS players (about 97%) have never played organized football before attending DLS.”
That is one “fact” that I’m not buying into. So if I personally know 10 kids at DLS that have played organized football prior to going to DLS, there must be another 200+ that have never played? Where do people come up with these “facts” It is embarrasing to even read “facts” like that. Somebody from DLS set the record straight on that one, LOL. Are you guys on board with these “facts” Jr-BJoe-Rene10?
December 15th, 2009 at 1:31 am
prep fan- i don’t use actual percentages or numbers unless i know for certain they are correct. it is true a number of players on the roster did not play organized football before DLS but that term organized is also a broad term. For example I played flag football in jr high as a number of people have does that count? Or are we talking pop warner/ AYF football full contact kind of stuff? Every year varies I know that for sure. But I don’t know the exact numbers of kids who had no organized experience to those who do. Some kids who go out for the freshman team have primarily played basketball or baseball growing up and plan on playing at DLS but also try out football. It’s also the reason quite a few kids who are the better athletes on the freshman team don’t continue with it as they focus on their other sports.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I think every school has some kids who give football a try their freshman year before focusing on other sports. I would have to think the actual numbers of players who have not played organized football prior to coming to DLS or other top programs would be much closer to 50% or 60% than 97%. If you have 100 kids in your entire program, then 97% would mean just 3 of them had played previously, or 1 from each team? I would have to think his 97% “fact” would mean just full contact tackle football, but it is still off by so far as to be considered absurd, although flag and passing leagues would also be considered organized.
December 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
The current DLS football team is an all-star team of the Diablo Valley Youth Football program…Ward, Shapiro, Dunne (and about 4-5 more)Antioch; Wynn, Cabral, Simeona, (Walnut Creek); Renaud (Clayton Valley)….on and on…point is, yes a lot of players played before high school…just like most schools…oh and most come from the areas around DLS
December 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Also, the reason a good many kids don’t play youth football before high school is because they’re too big. Many of the big boys on the line can’t make the weight required for their age. In a rare case a young kid may move up and play with the older groups but I found this to be rare.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
First The 97% fact is a joke. I dont pretand to know how many havent played before but to say 97% would make your post worthless. However i know every high profile team i have seen DLS play, makes DLS look like a JV team in size. I dont know how they do it but its crazy how good they play these teams win or lose. Not alot of D-1 recruits on DLS. I do beleave its the program moreso then the players.