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Basketball polls to debut next week

By Jimmy Durkin
Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm in Uncategorized.

Our Bay Area News Group-East Bay boys and girls basketball polls will debut next Tuesday in print and Monday on the blog. I’ve spent the past hour or so updating my file with all the teams I’m considering. I’ll only divulge one secret and I doubt this will surprise anybody — I’m voting Salesian No. 1 on the boys side. Anyways, let’s here what you have to think while you wait until the poll’s debut.

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  • e_culb

    Well I guess it doesnt make much sense to try to predict the girls side because right when the polls come out, most if not all the top 5 will be playing in the WCJ and there is liable to be a shake up, but for the heck of it here you go

    1. Carondelet
    2. Berkeley
    3. Bishop O’Dowd
    4. St. Mary’s
    5. Campolindo

  • Stephanie Hammon

    I like your top five E_Culb, though if Northgate beats Mitty tonight I might have to give them the slight edge over Campo. The first poll won’t reflect the first day’s action at the WCJ.

  • Prep Fan

    I have to agree with the top 4 for sure E_Culb. Dublin and Dougherty Valley both have quality teams that could each challange Campo or Northgate for that 5th spot as well. And Deer Valley is always strong. Add in Miramonte, who just lost to Northgate this week, and you might have the top 10 right there.

    How do the OAL teams look thus far? They usually have a few solid teams. Defending NorCal D1 champ Monte Vista is a little down this year after losing all 5 starters, and just lost to Dublin last night.

  • E_CULB

    In terms of girls I havent seen one OAL team play but Tech and Mack have the best records but Castlemont will always be a factor in there they have been in the OAL playoffs some 20 years straight, and Skyline has won 7 games so far and have 7 upperclassmen (or women). So I’ll go out on a limb and say Castle, Tech, Mack.

    Now on the boys side I have seen Oakland high play and they will be a team to be reckoned with come league, Mack has beaten some of the top teams around (Jesuit, St. Mary’s) and then lost to some teams the probably should have beat but they are young and it is to be expected. Maybe they are a year away (granted i havent seen them play yet) but the Mack house hasnt missed the playoffs in years so until I see them not in the playoffs I will always pencil them in for one spot and now everybody else has to play for the other two. (Or is it four playoff teams now in the OAL? Jimmy you know?) before the season I Castlemont was a sexy pick for me they have by many peoples account the best player in the league, although I think that honor goes to TJ Taylor but they have struggled out the gates, as has Skyline, Tech is a little tough to read they have loss some close games to good programs and beat good programs but they where a pick last year especially after they beat DLS but went no where after that.

  • http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner Jimmy Durkin

    I’ll try not to laugh as I say this, but the OAL is now putting five out of its six teams in the playoffs. Top seed goes straight to a now single elimination championship game and the next four teams play to reach the title game.

  • E_CULB

    That is funny! Maybe its because 16 teams go to Norcal now (if I’m not mistaken) and so this way it easier to justify having all the teams in the playoffs.

  • descamp72

    one team that is probably with question is in the top 5 is the San Leandro Pirates led by Tennyson transfer and more than likely HAAL MVP Hameed Ali who is only a junior and is entering this season after being on of the 5 best players in the league

  • coach rodney

    des, yea hameed is something else. A good talent. But how was your football season des?? But san leandro cant be top 5. From what ive seen no talent outside of hammed, nick armas and jermaine gaines. Daniel almonte would’ve been the key, but i have no idea what school he is at

  • descamp72

    I had sum family things to take care of out here almost towards the end of camp so I took the season off to gather myself and recommit myself to football after things the things that went on but i start back at school here in a few weeks as a true freshman I will be fine I have the same passion for the game that I had my senior year so I went thru camp and I have a feeling of what is goin on so I will be ready to go and rep the bay out in ohio…..but the pirates should run thru a weak haal as they did in football

  • coach rodney

    I wish the best for you des… You have good talent.. But o dowd is taking haal. Just look at their roster then you will see

  • e_culb

    So boys top 5 shakes out like what?

    1. Salesian
    2. O’Dowd
    3. De La Salle
    4. Newark Memorial
    5. San Ramon Valley

    Who is San Leandro better than of these 5?

  • coach rodney

    Neither of these teams they can beat. They already lost to newark. They play salesian later in season as well.

  • Jimmy Durkin

    E_culb, et. al,
    I’d say DLS is too high. Wasn’t all that impressed with them when I saw them. And since Mack beat Jesuit and St. Mary’s, they’ve thrust themselves back in that top-5 conversation. They could end up playing Newark and O’Dowd down at the MaxPreps Holiday Classic in San Diego, which would really give us a good gauge of how good all of those teams are.

    I think San Leandro is very good. I like them and was real impressed with Hamed Ali in their win over Oakalnd. I haven’t decided yet where all the teams fall in after Salesian at No. 1. But the HAAL is not weak. The top three of BOD, San Leandro and Castro Valley is solid and Hayward is the defending NCS Div. II champs. That’s a pretty solid league.

    Another team to be in that top 5 mix is Freedom. They’ve gotten off to a really nice start. As for SRV, a nice start for sure but I think they still need to prove themselves a little more. The blowout of Logan was solid and the one-point loss to St. Mary’s isn’t bad, but they aren’t top five yet. For starters, St. Mary’s needs to be ahead with their win over them. Right now, I kind of see them in the same vain as the Castro Valley teams of the past couple of years that build up a nice record, but the competition isn’t the toughest. I’m glad to see CV finally is playing an OAL team this year and they also faced Salesian already in the Gridley Invitational.

    I, for one, think any team that wants to be consider among the elite needs to schedule at least one or two games against an OAL team. You look at a team like Monte Vista, which has already played four OAL teams and coach Powers specifically told me that they schedule like that on purpose because the OAL is where the best basketball is played. It’s kind of like getting a win over an EBAL football team.

    Alright, that’s enough until Monday. Merry Christmas everybody.

  • renegades10

    Ya DLS has been a little shaky which is understandable given the players they graduated from last year. There are going to be some definite growing pains this year but it is a somewhat young team. they need someone to step up and take the pressure of McArthur. Appel is solid but they don’t seem to have the same perimeter threat they have had the last few years. But their physical brand of defense should get them at least a 2nd place finish in league maybe 1st. I think finals of NCS would be a solid season for them this year.

  • E_CULB

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TOO ALL! You may be right they are a little high.

  • coach rodney

    Durkin, thats some good information. But can you tell me anybody else on san leandro roster that can play??? O dowd will take the haal easily. With castro valley in 2nd.

  • descamp72

    I totally forgot about odowd they have great talent nd I’d put cv behind sl in third thn the farmers and as evrybody should it will be a toss up for the rest of the spots

  • coach rodney

    yea thats about right. But i have a surprise team in the haal. Arroyo is looking pretty decent. James davis is their best player and he can score. They might be better than hayward

  • bhouse

    ITs BOD !st CV 2nd SL third getting blown by 15-20 by bod and cv and the rest will get blown by 20 25 by cv and bod maybe a close game here and there which means nothing don’t kid yourselves this league is a two team league the rest are well below haal standards from the past 1o years

  • Sootless

    1. Salesian
    2. O’Dowd
    3. De La Salle
    4. Newark Memorial
    5. San Ramon Valley

    Does any know if any of these schools besides the private ones recruit players?

  • Jimmy Durkin

    Coach Rodney,
    Jermaine Gaines is pretty good as well. He had 19 in the win over Oakland.

  • kkop

    I think you have vastly overrated the OAL…

  • e_culb

    @ “I think you have vastly overrated the OAL…”

    Name a better league the past ten years?

  • coach rodney

    Yes durkin, jermaine gaines is very good. I was at the game vs manteca today. Manteca beat san leandro silly. Kiwi gardner outplayed each and every one of san leandro’s guards.

  • Tripledoubler

    I believe the Pirates where likely short handed in their game against Manteca. Armas is out for a month or so with a foot/ankle injury and Jones, who may actually be their best player, didn’t play due to a football commitment. Gaines is exciting but is their fourth best player, in my oppinion. The HAAL would have been really exciting with 1, 2, and 3 places all within a game. I think that changes now that Armas is out.

  • the Whole Truth

    Watch out for Washington they will be top #5 soon…

  • kkop

    Oh, I thought it was for the rankings for this year, not the top teams of the 2000′s….my bad.

  • Prep FAN

    WHY WASNT REGGIE DAVIS IN THE ALL EAST BAY! WAA

  • E_CULB

    @”Oh, I thought it was for the rankings for this year, not the top teams of the 2000’s….my bad.”

    He is talking about this year but for you to say the the OAL is beign Vastly overrated is really missing the point that was being made. The point is if you want to step up your pre-season SOS then you should look to play teams from the tough leagues therefore the OAL.

  • fast and physical

    Reggie was injuried

  • fast and physical

    Kiwi Garner is the best

  • kkop

    I know exactly what he meant, but Mack is the only team in the OAL that could possibly make any noise this year. The OAL is not that tough, this year.

  • Prep Fan

    The Reggie Davis comment by Prep FAN, not to be confused with Prep Fan, appears to be on he wrong thread. However, I believe Reggie is also playing hoops this year for Cal High, so maybe it was in the right place? Yes, he was injured for much of the football season F&P.

    OAL hoops are for real. Mack might not be as good as they were last year or two years ago, but they play some serious ball in that league. Ask DLS. They always get tested big time when playing OAL teams.

  • E_CULB

    I know you may think it’s only Mack, but I’ve seen Oakland High they are a legit team and are going to be a force in the league.

  • Chris

    I think Mission San Jose’s girls deserve a place in the top 15, with a 9-2 record and wins over teams such as Granada and SRV.

  • E_CULB

    Granada and SRV are supposed to be local powers?

  • Prep Fan

    I agree Chris, MSJ should be in the top 15 for girls. Heading into the WCJ and league play, these could be the top 15 right now:

    Carondelet
    Berkeley
    BOD
    SMB
    Campo
    Northgate
    Miramonte
    Dublin
    Dougherty
    Deer Valley
    MSJ
    Logan
    Heritage
    Granada
    Liberty

  • http://insidebayarea//prepsports bbfan2

    kiwi is nice, seen him play several times, mostly aau.

  • Sootless

    Just a question for you all…Should public schools be able to recruit athletes? Your comments are appreciated. Watch out for Washington High boys bball… they will be competitive with the very best!