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East Bay Boys Basketball Poll — 12/28

Here’s the first edition of our East Bay Boys Basketball poll for the new season. Enjoy.

Team Record Points Last year
1. Salesian (9) 8-0 135 2
2. Bishop O’Dowd 5-1 124 14
3. Newark Memorial 7-1 119 5
4. McClymonds 5-5 99 1
5. Freedom 7-0 93 NR
6. St. Mary’s 6-3 88 6
7. De La Salle 5-1 74 4
8. Deer Valley 7-2 65 NR
9. San Ramon Valley 8-1 64 NR
10. Castro Valley 7-3 44 10
11. San Leandro 6-2 38 7
12. St. Joseph Notre Dame 8-2 30 11
13. Campolindo 9-4 23 NR
14. Fremont 9-5 21 NR
15. Oakland 6-4 20 NR

Others receiving votes: College Park (11-2, 19 points), Monte Vista (4-6, 8), Berkeley (5-3, 7), Antioch (6-2, 5), Pinole Valley (10-2, 3), Washington (7-4, 2). The East Bay Prep Boys Basketball poll is compiled from the votes of Bay Area News Group-East Bay staff writers.

Jimmy Durkin

I cover mostly San Jose State football for the San Jose Mercury News/Bay Area News Group, but also fill in from time to time with the 49ers, Warriors, A's and Giants.

  • renegades10

    how is McClymonds 4? It must be the win over St. Mary’s because at 5-5 I don’t get how you justify them at 4. They lost to Deer Valley at home and struggled to beat Monte Vista.

  • Jimmy Durkin

    It’s the win over St. Mary’s, plus the win over Jesuit — a team that Newark Memorial lost to. Also, while this win isn’t accounted for in this week’s poll, Mack beat Fairfax today to improve to 6-5. While they aren’t the same Mack team of old, it’s hard to argue they aren’t better than all of the teams below them.

  • GaryO

    How can Mack be that high ? How about 10 or 11.

  • E_CULB

    One thing you cant take away from the Mack house is this they are not playing rutty poot teams they are playing as tuff a schedule as anybody around.

  • Sootless

    Should public schools be able to recruit athletes? Your comments are appreciated.

  • E_CULB

    They cant be 10 or 11 when they beat other teams in the top 10.

  • CV Trojans

    Castro Valley. Respect. 2 losses came against Sac and Salesian when we had guys hurt, other one is to newark in ot. We’ve played a tough sched and i really believe we are top 5, easy. rod bobbitt is a star

  • bhouse

    CV is talented three loses but again who have you beaten nobody in the top 50 and by the way Newark best player did not play they will still finish highly ranked

  • CV Trojans

    we beat clovis east… number 9 in state at the time. logan, pitt, and washington are no joke either. this is the toughest sched we played in years cuz we wanted some respect cuz everyone thinks we dont play anyone

  • bhouse

    Sorry Pitt and Logan are not very good at all especially Pitt they are terrible you will finish ranked high don’t worry you will now win 12 games by 20+ points in the always tough Haal the bottom 6 teams are bad but getting better

  • coach rodney

    castro valley is a solid team. Put pitt and logan are terrible. Name somebody on those rosters that can play?? The haal is horrible once again. We have o dowd at the top, then cv, then san leandro who are not good. Then my fourth team is actually arroyo. Nice team

  • bhouse

    i agree with your haal standings exactly but arroyo is 20 pts worse than cv and bod and sl is 10-15 pts worse than cv and bod and the rest are terrible last year there was four good teams this year there are only two

  • coach rodney

    i agree with you as well. Have u seen San leandro this year?

  • bhouse

    Yes, I have seen all the haal teams and i would be very surprised if anyone except for Bod and Cv make NCS thats not the signs of a good league maybe SL will make it but thats about it, or Hayward for D-2 but beyond that the league is terrible Arroyo will not make it if they are D-1 and by the way D-1 is the worst Division considerding the top three or four divisions besides Newark,Dela ,San Ramon and CV there is nobody D-1 is a joke

  • coach rodney

    Very good points. But b house, ive been wondering what school daniel almonte goes to, he went to san leandro last year but couldnt play, can you find out if he is still there? Coming out of 8th grade he was ranked for his class of 2011, very good player. His talent is being wasted

  • Sootless

    Should public high schools be able to recruit athletes from jr, high schools?…This has been happening at Centerville, Hopkins and Walters in Fremont. Can you guess who is doing it. This needs to stop.

    “common-sense conclusion that hard-sell tactics directed at middle school students could lead to exploitation … and foster an environment in which athletics are prized more highly than academics.”

    -Justice John Paul Stevens 6/22/2007

  • NM Cougs

    Sootless aka washington coach, Should you get a life?

  • Sootless

    Sorry wrong answer, they already have a fine coaching staff…
    Hey NM Cougs heres a little something all the Cougars fans need to read. Your comments are encouraged and always appreciated.
    “What is athletic recruiting?
    Athletic recruiting is any attempt by any employee or athletic department staff member of an FHSAA member school, or a representative of the school’s athletic interests, to pressure, urge or entice a student who does not attend that school to transfer his/her attendance there for the purpose of athletic participation.
    This occurs when the school employee, athletic department staff member or representative of the school’s athletic interests makes improper
    contact with the student or a member of his/her family in an effort to pressure or urge the student to go to that school OR promises, offers or gives the
    student an impermissible benefit in an effort to entice the student to go to that school.”

    -Florida High School Athletic Association, Affidavit of Compliance with Policy on Athletic Recruiting (2009-2010)
    Does that ring a bell?

  • gauchofan

    how come el cerrito is not even mentioned even though they have only one loss?

  • pirates24

    daniel almonte was all self hype he was trash ii went to san leandro

  • coach rodney

    pirates24, are we here to bash other players or what? from what ive seen of daniel almonte at aau tournaments and things he is a good player.

  • spectator

    The basketball polls seem pretty accurate. Newark is very impressive so far. But salesian is still number one until somebody knocks them off. San leandro shouldnt be on the list anymore. they are 6-4. They are a sloppy team. And also oakland should be ranked higher. But with daniel almonte, he still goes to san leandro but obviouslt isnt playing for them. No idea why but he isnt. He is of course better than most on that team. Ive seen him before. Very athletic. Just needs the right situation to showcase it

  • haal fanatic

    Dont got too much to say. Because the season will play out who is here to stay or not. But daniel almonte is very good. pirate24 you’ve might of got him on a bad day. I watched him his freshman year and saw him score over 30 against antioch. And against o dowd his freshman year he played big. Players like him though are system players, they cant thrive in every situation. And i noticed the san leandro varsity system is a place were he couldnt thrive. simple as that. but yes, very nice player. Heard he is going to a different haal school.

  • local coach

    Yes sootless you are right, washington has been recruiting kids from all of the junior high schools in fremont for years and it needs to stop!

  • sootless

    “So when illegal athletic recruiting or undue influence does occur, it often times does not come with a paper trail, leading to questions as to how it really can be controlled or even if it happens at all.”

    - http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com -October 21, 2007

    Care to comment Local Coach? While your at it can you tell me how many players on the Newark Memorial varsity squad attended Jr. High in Newark? I do believe some of those players would have gone to Washington if in fact they weren’t “pressured, urged or enticed”.

  • local coach

    I know that the Norris kid is from fremont, who else, I find it hard to believe that anyone from coach Ashmore or his staff went around to local junior high schools talking to kids or parents! You know how fast news like that would get out. More time than not kids go to differnt schools because they like the way that school plays or they may know other kids on the team and they want to play with them. And parents look around and try to find the best place for their kid. When I look at washington and I have been around a very long time, I don’t see much deversity on their team year after year, maybe you could explain that. I see it in their other sport programs. I hear washington is good this year so maybe this will be the year that they can really challenge Newark. And by the way how many washington kids went to centerville, I don’t know and I really don’t care, kids are going to follow winners. Check your coaching staff maybe there is something fuuny in the water over in Husky-bamaville?

  • sootless

    Besides Norris, Randle and Andrews are also from Fremont… Sankeys from Stockton and none of them attended Newark Junior High Schools. Could be more? I happen to know Coach Ashmore and his staff do go to local junior high schools and 7th and 8th grade CYO games. They do talk to kids and parents and pass out a lot of Cougar tee shirts to all the impressionable lads. .I even saw a kid (currently a senior at O’Dowd) and an excellent player wearing a Newark Cougars tee at an AAU practice this summer and he filled me in on how he got it …Exhibit A. News like this has been out there for a long time and more and more people are getting fed up. Parents must try and be ethical and not be pressured, urged or enticed. As for diversity…(as in people of different races or cultures) Washington Basketballs team and school for that matter is a melting pot so I don’t get your point. I am sure 90% of the current Washington basketball team kids went to Centerville and I would be surprised if 50% of the current Newark Memorial attended Junior High Schools in Newark. Newark is a great team…they are the team to beat but how they got there is unethical. I say neuter the recruiters!

  • BIlljohnson

    MAYBE IF WASHINGTON WAS ANY GOOD THEY’D CONSIDER IT BUT CANT BLAME THE KIDS. PLAYERS ARE MEASURED IN THE BIG GAMES CAN’T GET MEASURED IF YOUR NOT PLAY’N N THEM. STEP IT UP WASHINGTON!

  • sootless

    BIlljohnson you gots to chill…Hasn’t *Newark Memorial raided the MVAL best player for years? This has more to do with ADULTS working it than what’s good for KIDS. So I guess your saying recruiting the best players from Fremont to Newark is a good thing? Isn’t this exploitation of the players and their parents? If Coach Ashmore was coaching this years Irvington Varsity squad would he go 500? your comments?

  • local coach

    Do you really think that if parents thought that washington was a better place handing out tee shirts would make them go to newark! Come on. Not talking about the school as a melting pot look at the basketball program over the years.Sankey did go to the junior high! And if you saw this all happening why didn’t you go up to Ashmore and say that this is wrong, or why didn’t you go to the commissoner and have him go witness this blatant recruiting. My guess is because it did not happen. And the tee shirt thing really worked for the kid that decided to go to O’Dowd!

  • sootless

    Handing out tee shirts is just part of the hard sell would make players go to Newark. So what do have against WSH? Come on brother. Washington is a good school. I know Sankey did go to (junior high but where… isn’t he from Stockton? Time to come clean …hasn’t Newarks athletic department staff member or representative of the school’s athletic interests made improper contact with the student or family members in an effort to pressure or urge the student to go to that school? I say yes and yes I do plan to go to the commissioner after I connect a few more dots. This unfair recruiting has been happening for year and it needs to stop. As for the kid who was recruited by Newark but elected stay at O’Dowd maybe just maybe it was because he had a conscience or valued loyalty.

  • local coach

    Never did I say that washington was not a good school I am just talking about the basketball program. My cousin lived in oakland and she went to school out hear, I know kids that live in newark but go to schools in other cities! You have tour beliefs and if you can prove that coach ashmore or anyone on his staff did this than it is up to you to prove it. I have been a part of newark for a long time my boys both played for ashmore and I have never seen him or his coaches do the things that you are saying! I have talked to kids and parents at washington for years and I get a different opinion on the boys program over there,so once again I am not talking about the school I am talking about the basketball program.

  • sootless

    Local Coach… It’s like the first OJ trial, everyone knew he did it but he got away with it anyway. Just for example the Bay Area Wildcats AAU team coached by one of Ashmores recruiters gets a hold of Randle as a 7th grader and proceed to commit (undue influence) on the kid and his mom. That kid was bound for Washington but Newark got him. It’s like Andrews who lived across the street from Washington High decides (you guessed it) to go to Newark… undue influence perhaps? If you have never seen Ashmore or his recruiters do their thing then you don’t deserve a Cougars tee shirt. The basketball program at Washington is ethical and play by the rules. Does Newark do the same?

  • local coach

    Hey Sootless there is no winning with you, I know for a fact that your washington coaches talk to kids from the other local junior high schools not just centerville, and they also invite kids to their open gyms. I don’t need a tee shirt my kids went to the school that was best for them. I could live right next door to washington and my kids would never go there! But like I said washington is good this year with their new transfer, or you mean you guys got a player that did not start off going there wow but since he had to sit out last year thats ok. So it is ok for washington to get them from the other junior high schools, it is when they decide to go to Newark it is wrong! Nice logic. And to compare this to the O.J mess shows your class.

  • sootless

    Swamp Squid Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    January 9th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    Hey local Coach wake up and smell the coffee. Newark recruits and Washington does not. Newark is corrupt and Washington plays by the rules. If Washington had Randle & Andrews who be top dog in the MVAL? Randle & Andrews were recuited and that is a fact! Ashmore, Willy and the rest of the requiters did what is best for the ADULTS who represent NEWARKS best interest and that all about the ADULTS best interest.This is not about the players… Care to comment?

  • The Line

    Don’t try to justify newarks actions. They have recruited (exerted undue influence and made contact with junior high athletes not in their district) for years. During the Spain and Hardin years, half their roster didn’t even reside in Newark. In recent seasons McCall, Bayanzai and Ezeofor were blatantly recruited.

  • local coach

    Oh, it is not about the players but you mention them by name, you need to wake up and smell anything, when has a brother had any kind of starting or staring role in husky land? If those parents felt like washington would have been the best place for their kids tee shirts would not have worked, and you have not commented on any questions that I have asked? I kind of hope that washington does beat newark or plays them tight I think that it will help with some of your issues to see that the school that does not recruit, right, plays by all of the rules, right, never gets any transfers, right, can still beat the big, bad, wolf over in newark! Maybe that will help the ADULTS best interest over in huskyland.

  • Swamp Squid

    Just got off the phone with a MVAL insider from American High. When I asked him if he thought Newark recuits he had a good laugh, agreed that they did and went on to say that if Newark had not snached those Centerville kids away from Washington that Washington would be the team everyone would be talking about. Will things in Cougarville ever change? Why don’t you just try and play with local for a year? The buzz is the the kids that actually live in Newark are the ones at the end of the bench riding the pine? Send my regards to coach recruiter.

  • sootless

    Just got off the phone with a MVAL insider from American High. When I asked him if he thought Newark recuits he had a good laugh, agreed that they did and went on to say that if Newark had not snached those Centerville kids away from Washington that Washington would be the team everyone would be talking about. Will things in Cougarville ever change? Why don’t you just try and play with local for a year? The buzz is the the kids that actually live in Newark are the

  • local coach

    Wow, how many different names do you go under. An insider from American huh, they wouldn’t be bias at all! If you ask someone else from the league did they think that washington recruits at the other junior high schools I think that you would get the same answer. But whatever, do I think that Newark has benefitted from the aau factor sure but the last time I checked willy is not on the Newark staff. I am only saying that once you put any head coaches name out there you need to have more than hearsay. And since witchever name you want to use never answer my questions I will answer yours. If you gave all of the league teams the same talent level would Newark have that streak, probably not. I will tell you this I beleive that Ashmore would still have the same number of league titles because I think that he is the best coach in this league by far!!

  • sootless

    Yes… the folks at American that have also have felt the pain of Ashmores recruiting would maybe be justified in their anger but no not biased. Newark has raided from ALL the MVAL schools for years and people are starting to compare notes and connecting dots.. I am not aware of Washington recruiting at junior high schools so please give me an example and I will look into it. If it were true it could only pale in comparison to what Ashmore has done.. Willy is not on the Newark staff but he is the pipeline.Willy gets them young and delivers them to Ashmore.If Ashmore coached this year Irvington Squad would he win half his games? It’s has more to do with the talent he has recruited that bolsters his squad than his talent as a coach.

  • local coach

    O.K. good luck thursday. I am tired of the same arguments over and over.

  • pirates24

    whoever said they saw daniel almonte play is a lie or jus has the wrong idea and believes he is jermaine gaines who is playn for the pirates this year..

    he is all left doesnt play aau u guys on here are sick