- East Bay Prep Corner
East Bay Football Poll — 9/27
By Ben Enos
Monday, September 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm in East Bay Football, East Bay Poll.
Here’s the latest East Bay football poll. Enjoy.
| Team | Record | Points | Last week | Comment |
| 1. De La Salle | 3-0 | 120 | 1 | Strong second half propels Spartans to win over Bishop Gorman. |
| 2. San Ramon Vly | 3-0 | 112 | 2 | Wolves finish nonleague slate with 55-7 win over Washington. |
| 3. Deer Valley | 4-0 | 98 | 3 | Two fourth quarter red zone stops bring win over College Park. |
| 4. Monte Vista | 2-1 | 97 | 4 | Michael Sullas runs for 192 yards, 4 TDs to help beat Hayward. |
| 5. California | 3-0 | 91 | 5 | Grizzlies prepare for EBAL opener against Monte Vista this week. |
| 6. Foothill | 3-0 | 81 | 6 | Will the double-wing continue its magic against De La Salle? |
| 7. Concord | 3-1 | 73 | 7 | Ricky Lloyd throws for 323 yards, six TDs in win over American. |
| 8. Encinal | 2-1 | 63 | 8 | Jets assert Island dominance with 27-12 win over rival Alameda. |
| t9. Alhambra | 3-1 | 48 | 9 | Jared Leaf’s five touchdowns bring win at El Molino-Forestville. |
| t9. McClymonds | 4-0 | 48 | 10 | Warriors prepare for Salesian by hanging 54 on Marshall-S.F. |
| 11. Heritage | 4-0 | 46 | 11 | Patriots have outscored four opponents 167-51 this season. |
| 12. Pinole Valley | 3-0-1 | 31 | 12 | Win over Oakland Tech has PV ready for showdown with Berkeley. |
| 13. Granada | 3-0 | 18 | t14 | Matadors pile up 338 rushing yards in win over Castro Valley. |
| 14. Amador Valley | 2-1 | 17 | t14 | Dons take bye to prepare for EBAL opener against Livermore. |
| 15. James Logan | 2-2 | 7 | 13 | Colts finish .500 in nonleague, open MVAL play this week. |
Also receiving votes: Northgate (4-0, 6 points), Miramonte (4-0, 4). Records are through Saturday. The East Bay poll is voted upon by the prep sports staff of the Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
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September 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
I still cannot believe Heritage is ranked below Encinal given that a. Heritage is 4-0 and has played 1 more game than the Jets and b. The Jets have only beaten weak teams with negative ratings.
Ben please shed some light………
September 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Hey Guys I believe that Granada is 3-0 and Sullas ran for 195…
September 27th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
also explain how srv is up there with 2 games won against antioch and washington? and deer valley who struggled to win against wash? also dv faced teams that are not even ranked. explain how they are up there in your rankings.
September 27th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
mira needs to be ranked when they win next week
September 27th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
and srv’s qb is the real deal. one of the best in the country
September 27th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Some things should be changing
1. DLS
2. SRV
t3. Cal
t3. MV
5. Foothill
6. DV
7. Concord
8. Mack
9. Heritage
10. Encinal
11. Alhambra
12. PV
13. Granada
14. AV
15. Logan
Deer Valley fell in my rankings because they are clearly struggling and not performing how many thought they would. They face big test in Vacaville this week.
Heritage proved they have what it takes this week, but face one more test in the form of Concord and their aerial attack. Heritage has not faced a passing attack like this and Pica is very underrated as a RB. I expect a high scoring affair and would not be surprised to see the 100 combined point barrier broken.
Encinal has to drop, they played admirably against Serra the previous week even though the score does not reflect how close the game was for three quarters. But, they struggled this week against Alameda. The jury is still out on Encinal, but they need to get it together and perform to the level we know they can. A matchup with SPSV looms in three weeks. Before that Encinal faces Piedmont and Swett, both teams are a combined 0-6. So Encinal won’t really have a chance to move up, but could move down if other teams are performing well.
Games to watch this week:
All the EBAL games are huge this week. When is the last time Livermore was in a huge game. The league went a combined 22-2 with those losses coming to Serra and Concord respectively. Now we get to find out who the pretenders are.
AV@Livermore- Well, it’s been a long time since Livermore entered league play udnefeated (although they entered league play with a winning record last year), and they certainly will be amped up at home to take on AV. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, I think the Dons will beat them in a close game. Livermore is on the right track, but this year will be tough in league as all the teams are better than originally thought. I will say 17-10 AV wins.
MV@Cal- Well this certainly should be an interesting game. MV certainly has shown a different look this year with their running game leading the charge. Cal is another team that is on the rise and having Kravitz as the O-Co is a big reason why. I expect a very close game, but I have to go with the home team on this one. Playing at home against a team they have competed with very over the last few years I think the Grizz pull it out. In order for MV to win they will need Lockie to have his best game yet and not sure it’s going to happen. 35-28 Cal wins.
Granada@SRV- This will be short and sweet. SRV takes down Granada and it won’t be close. Until I see the Atkinsons put on a big performance against a solid defense, I don’t see a way for the Mats to win and they certainly will have issues with Kline and the SRV offense. I’m going with a 42-21 victory with Granada getting some scores late.
Foothill@DLS- Well, this game makes a little uneasy for several reasons. First is that DLS is coming off an physically draining and emotional victory that also may cost them Renaud for a few weeks and may be due for a letdown. Secondly, is that Foothill’s new offense is designed to keep the ball out of the offense’s hands and drain the clock. The good news for DLS is that this is a home game. None of the current players at DLS have faced this type of offense before, although the coaching staff has seen plenty of it from the days of Murphy at YV. I think this game could be close given the type of offense they run, that will drain the clock and not give DLS much of a chance to score. In the end though, just don’t think Foothill has the players on the lines to keep up with DLS physicality and it will show at the end of the game. DLS wins it 35-14.
September 27th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
R10: I like your list I still put MV over Cal for now but this week is going to be a good game and no I have no prediction on this one just going to be some points put up.
Also I told you MV could run and was going to be well balanced.
September 27th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
renegades10 well done I like and agree with your takes.
I thought I heard Wynn was banged up as well did you hearcthat?
September 27th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Wynn isn’t banged up beyond the normal stuff that comes with playing football, he was just physically spent and if you watched the game you would understand why as he was constantly getting double teamed by guys who outweighed him by thirty to forty pounds not to mention he sat out only two plays the ENTIRE game just to get a bloody elbow bandaged up. Statistically it wasn’t a great game for him, but if you saw at the end of the game who Dunne was running behind most of the time, if you saw the crushing hit he gave on the opening KO that went for a TD, and if you saw the amount of attention he received from BG that allowed other guys like Peters and Walker to have big games on defense he had a huge impact on that game. Moving him to O-line last year before they played Lakeland was the best thing the coaching staff could have done. Truly a Herculean effort if I may say so, one that rivals what Derek Landri did against Poly in 2001.
MV Alum you were right about Sullas. The kid is a big reason why they are almost 3-0 as well as not being 1-2. I think Cal and MV are equal all over the field. McGovern may be the best pound for pound receiver in the East Bay, although if Rowland were playing the traditional spot he would give him a run for that title, but Cal certainly has playmakers at that position as well. It’s going to be a good game that’s for sure.
September 27th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I will say though, I am impressed by the overall quality of the EBAL this year, especially after losing some big names off of last year’s teams. No game for any team, DLS included, will be a walk in the park meaning that you can’t have an off-night and still come away with an easy win. I predicted SRV to win big, but that’s because I know they have the ability to. But if they don’t come to play, watch out.
September 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
R10 Agree with you 100% on all counts every team is going to have to be ready to play I think that is why EBAL is the best league overall. Look at what you said 22-2 could have been 23-1 if MV could have stopped the run (any team could play in any league and do well)… What happened to Renaud?
September 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
R10: Real quick do you think Foothill will come out throwing like you said Rowland is in the top 3 as far as receivers go and with DLS’s only weakness I saw being the DB’S?
September 27th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
I also backed up MV Alum regarding Sullas. He is a tough kid who gets it done. The MV-Cal game has the makings of a great game. Both teams are well balanced, and although MV holds something like a 25-2 record all time vs. Cal, this is a home game for Cal and these 2 teams have played a lot of close games lately. Could come right down to the end.
DLS shouldn’t have much trouble with Foothill, but who knows what Sweeney might have up his sleeve and DLS is ripe for a letdown?
AV should destroy Livermore. The Cowboys have just one playmaker and I’m sure Silva will have him neutralized from the get go. 3-0 will be a distant memory once they finish their EBAL season.
I also feel SRV will be able to stop the Atkinsons and Kline will put up enough points to beat Granada. This will be a statement game for Granada if they are going to contend for the 2nd place trophy in the EBAL this year.
The Concord-Heritage matchup is intriguing and should show us what Heritage brings to the table and if they are going to be able to crack the to 10. You know the Minutemen will be putting up their points.
Deer Valley has been disappointing in narrow wins over 0-4 Washngton and 1-3 College Park, but they have done what it takes in the final seconds to pull out both of those games. If they can stay with Vacaville, then maybe they are for real, but I see them getting a dose of reality this week.
September 27th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Well the thing that Foothill does not have that the three teams DLS played did have is a qb who can throw the ball accurately deep. After watching the entire game on replay, I can say that those two big plays for BG in the passing game were actually well covered the qb just put the ball in the perfect spot or the receiver made an outstanding play. The second big pass should have been picked off by DLS, but the receiver managed to get back in front of the safety to make the catch. That interception by Devin Williams, was a thing of beauty although Powell certainly topped that on his pick of Houston. But Camarena is a short little guy who doesn’t have a big arm which is why they switched to the double wing in the first place. They might try to dink and dunk their way down the field if they throw the ball to Rowland, but DLS LB’s even without Renaud are very strong this year and should be able to handle that. But I would be surprised to see the DB’s tested by Camarena imo. If Renaud is out Hutchings will step in and the way he has played this season for a soph is remarkable and will do fine. It’s still really an unknown about Renaud as there have been conflicting reports.
September 27th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
I think Heritage loves the underdog stuff…..they will continue to roll this Friday against Concord. Could be high scoring but Concord can’t stop the Patriots. Deer Valley, Encinal and San Ramon???? Give me a break!!!!!!
September 27th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
If Heritage beats Concord I would put them in the 3 spot
September 27th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
At least a little love from BleacherCoach for Heritage… Top 5 spot for sure!!
September 27th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Heritage would not be number 3 if they beat Concord. They haven’t earned that. What win would put them up that high? Unless DLS totally walks all over Foothill and I mean beats them up and down the highest I would move Heritage is to six and if DV recovers to beat a good Vacaville team, I would keep Heritage below them as well.
September 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Foothill will get crushed by DLS let down or no let down DLS 45 Foothill 7
September 27th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
R10 thanks for the input on the DLS DB’s.
Quickly I have to say that thou Heritage is a good team (and I have stated that in earlier posts) you can’t put them in the top 3 just yet they got beat up last year and MV crushed them in playoffs. I just don’t think they have played a team the calibur of a EBAL top 4 team. Logan was a good win and if they beat Concord I move them to 7 for now, they work their way up from there with league wins.
September 27th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Exactly MV Alum, I know most teams change in level year after, but given Heritage’s history with the top EBAL teams, they do not get considered for top 3 until they start beating some. Just a fact in rankings is that teams have ceilings during the regular season until playoffs.
September 27th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Div 1 Heritage should be scared of losing to little Div2 Concord with there roster of 26 players. All things being equal Amador should have crushed Concord. A Heritage loss to Concord takes them off the board, a win is Position swap with Concord.
Don’t under estimate Concords overdrive NASCAR offense, might be a Close game but Concord scores more!
September 27th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Concord is a little scary for Heritage, Maxpreps has Concord’s QB Ricky Lloyd as #2 in state passing (the #1 Guy has 1 More game). He’s even more dangerous when he gets flushed out of the pocket & throws on the run, & then there is RB Alec Pica to worry about. If they stop Concord, Heritage deserves the bump.
September 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Well, if Heritage not only beats Concord, but it able to shut them down, they might pick up some ground. They would definitely move ahead of #7 Concord. Plus, if #3 Deer Valley gets beat up by Vacaville, they could/should also pass them. On top of that #6 Foothill, and either #5 Cal or #5 MV will also be absorbing losses, but unless they are extremely ugly losses, the losers of those two games should not move down much as they would be losing to top 5 teams. #9T Alhambra should beat LL, but if they lose or barely win, I could see Heritage pull ahead of them with a convincing win over Concord. And #9T Mack should have their hands full with Salesian and could fall. I would think the likely scenario would be a move to the #8 slot unless there are some big losses by the other teams.
September 27th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
well when we win our next three games we should be ranked. de anza will be a blowout berkeley game will be tough but its at home we can pass they cant that will be the differance. as for pinole we have there number look for the hornets to come in stinging the spartans.
September 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
agreed that heritage should be moved up in the ranks but not much anymore yet. could move them up to take 9 and move logan out and have them there until a couple higher teams are really sized up. kind of in the same position that encinal, amador, and granada faced in the past couple years and that mack will probably face later on this year. next week wouldnt be surprised to see them rise as high as #8.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Alameda will not be ranked. They are 1-3. If by the most remote of chances you win all three of those games, then maybe just maybe you get honorable mention, but you guys lost big to BOD so they would have to be ahead of you, lost to SLZ so they would have to be ahead of you, and also lost to Encinal. And I don’t see BOD having a good shot at cracking the top 15 because the HAAL is horrible with no teams ranked in the top 15 and none listed for honorable mention. To get in they need to make playoffs and pull off some upsets. So that in itself will make it incredibly difficult for Alameda to get ranked as two of the teams they lost to would have to be ahead of them.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Hornetfan are you serious? alameda played there best football last week and came away with a loss to a team who played below par. star player was held to 66 yards with plenty of touches against a seemingly sluggish D. dont see enough athletes on that team to play with berk. and circle that pinole game all u want but nothing good will come of it for ur team. Alameda’s team is tooooo slow to hang with any teams without a ball control offense that doesnt produce any yardage.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:29 am
island02 tell it like it is.what happen buddy running game got shutdown! your the running backs coach right why would you give harvell carries you think he’s gonna bust?the jets backs clearly outplayed your backs. Encinal has gamebreakers. Cunningham 2.5 a carry thats not steppin up in the big game.
September 28th, 2010 at 1:45 am
cmon dont diss the rb’s without getting at the linemen first. everyone knows it all starts at the line. alameda in nothing without there, i would say, one of their best lines in a couple years.
09′ hornets
LG made 2nd team offense
RG returning starter as a sophomore
C made 2nd team offense
LG made 1st team D line
RT made 1st team offense
with a line like that gone of course the rb’s are gonna struggle especially with injuriies to that struggling offense it makes them hard to pass as tom last year threw 4 ints the whole year where this year he has 4 int’s in 4 games (not to mention the fumbles they lost) . a turnover everygame isnt gonna help the hornets. this is why they need to work on ball control so they could keep the turnovers in their number. they cant afford losing possesion once or more times in a game.
hornets will beat de anza without trying. play cunningham the whole game let him get his stats up so everybody could stop hating on him and he could show what happenes when he gets the ball the whole game. but this de anza game is an easy one so he needs to build momentum going into berkley
**PS**
Hornet fan : to ur comment “we can pass, berkley cant”
i believe u guys really havent showed you can pass. with ruckman only throwing 2 tds and 4 interceptions doesnt show me you can pass. not to mention he was 1 for about 9 against encinal for 1 td and 2 int’s. and he’s 24 for 50 sumthin. from what i saw i believe john ruck has some chances now at a possible start this game as he did lead momentum for the hornets and completed some clutch passes
tell me what you think and who has been sharing the load at practice this week so far? tom or john?
September 28th, 2010 at 7:13 am
Who is throwing in all the votes for Deer Valley? A one point win against Washington when Cal beat Washington by two touchdowns with the second string in and pulling away. And then a one touchdown win against College Park when Cal beat College Park by almost five touchdowns in a game that was almost a shutout with third stringers in. I don’t get it.
September 28th, 2010 at 7:16 am
@ outsider
exactly… there are way better teams to be up there than deer valley. i think they’re is over rated.
September 28th, 2010 at 7:56 am
I think heritage is good where its at… say if they move up a few spots like you guys want them to… Then your saying they can beat Encinal Concord Alhambra and Mack? yea im not to sure about that… that being said i think Deer Valley should of moved down a few spots this week to around… the Sixth or Seventh positions because they struggled against a team thats not ranked on the list… Plus you are saying that they can beat MV California Foothill and Concord? yea I Dont think so…
And fans need to look at it this way with heritage, if you out score opponents 167-51 chances are the teams they playing are not football schools, and have you heard that saying “If you want to beat the best, you have to play the best” well this applies to the polls how tough your schedule is and if you won against these teams… the only way if heritage is going to move up is if they beat Concord..
September 28th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Bleacher Coach, who would win Encinal vs Concord and Encinal vs Heritage?
September 28th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Highguy cunningham better pad his stats this week and im sure kemp will cuz the next 2 weeks it could get ugly. You say alameda line graduated alot of guys plus guys are hurt well why is the fattest guy they got playing fullback? He must be an i guy. Just shows the kinda of coaching going on over there.
September 28th, 2010 at 8:34 am
617lemon,HighGuy, YOU GUYS ARE HATERS!!! YOU KNOW THAT THE HORNETS GAVE YOU GUYS A RUN FOR YOUR MONEY FRIDAY NIGHT. YOUR JV TEAM SUCKS AND THE VAR TEAM IS VERY OVER RATED. I WAS EXPECTING MORE THAN WHAT I SAW AND WITH ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HOW GOOD ENCINAL IS WAS BULLS**T. YOU GUYS BARLEY BEAT A INJURED HORNET TEAM AND YOU GUYS ARE VERY COCKY! THAT LONG RUN BY OKMURA WHERE HE HIGH STEPPED TO THE END ZONE TOLD ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED ABOUT YOUR LEADER OVER THERE. I KNOW WHAT I SAW AND IF YOU GUYS DIDNT SWARM THE BALL TEAMS WOULD BE SCORING UP AND DOWN AGAINST YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU CAN’T OPEN FIELD TACKLE FOR S**T!
September 28th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Ya what you said. Hornets suck. They hella suck. Encinal develops. Hornets win JV championships. Dumb ass fool. Fat Ro Ro sucks talking all that sh!t before the game then got pancaked 9 different times by EHS o-line. That fat running back wishes he had an oxygen tank to suck on since Ro Ro tits were sagging like his fat lip after a easy win by the Jets. Hey look over there Harvel looks skinny. Syyyke. Take off all that plaid skinny jeans non sense and hit the wieghts chump
September 28th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Ruckman will be the qb but i know the coaches are tired of his dad making play call suggestions. As for harvell playing fb i believe kemp and rochlin think he’s like patrone woods. Hornets will win the accal!
September 28th, 2010 at 8:54 am
bval expert, so i guess novato, montgomery, and logan are not football schools? do you know how many times novato won their ncs championships? did you know montgomery went to the finals last year? as for logan, not a football school? what are you talking about? when those teams were scheduled, they were going for what they did the previous years. isn’t that what you guys are looking at when you rate teams? that’s the reason why deer valley is up where they are at. the truth is dv is not the same dv last year. also, concord, srv, mv are outscoring opponents too. so they should not be ranked high either. wy don’t you look at it that way also. what are you expert at? i think your a heritage hater.
September 28th, 2010 at 9:15 am
François “Papa Doc” Duvalier, SOMEONE IS A LITTLE MAD ABOUT HOW THE GAME WENT. YOU KNOW I’M RIGHT DUMB ASS THATS WHY YOU CAME ON HERE TRIPPIN LIKE THAT. LOL. I KNOW YOU ARE MAD THAT YOUR JV TEAM SUCKS AND VAR IS VERY OVER RATED! ENCINAL WILL SUCK NEXT YEAR AND WHO ARE SO CALLED “DEVELOPED” PLAYERS FOR NEXT YEAR? I DIDNT SEE ANY. I KNOW WHY YOU SLOW ASS QB ANDREW VE’E DIDN’T COME TO ALAMEDA. HE WOULDN’T HAVE BEATEN OUT RUCK OR RUCKMAN FOR THE QB GIG. HE IS NOTHING LIKE THE OTHER VE’E'S THAT WERE PLAYING FOR THE HORNETS WHO WERE SUPER STARS. YOUR VE’E'S SUCKS AND OURS WERE GREAT! TAKE THOSES TRADERS BECAUSE THEY ARENT DOING NOTHING FOR YOU THIS YEAR OR NEXT!
September 28th, 2010 at 9:40 am
ManDown I have not seen Concord so I could not comment on them. However I have seen Encinal, Foothill and Heritage.
Encinal gets beat by both Foothill and Heritage.
Heritage runs a delayed handoff sweep to the wide side of the field left , right ,left , right back and forth very boaring but very effective it would take the Jets big D-Line out if the picture because they are Big and Fat not big and strong and fast this in turn puts alot of pressure on the LB’s and from the poor open field takling I have seen by the Jets the Heritage backs would have a field day.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 am
617;emon, this is for you….. Encinal as a team outplayed us and thats obvious by the score. I give Allen, Pasquel, Okamura, Trodder all the credit, They are all very good players with an exceptional Oline. As for their backs outplaying our backs, who cares? we’re trying to get a win not see who’s backs out play the next.If Cunningham approached each game trying to outplay the opposing teams back then he would not be successful, and the team would lose. He plays to help his team win and if he gets nice yardage out of it then good. The yards he got against Encinal were some tough yards, inside yards that resulted in first downs…move the chains, I mean isn’t that what offenses do? Sure it would have been nice to see him rip a long one ; but , no one is more frustrated than him. His line is young and inexperienced, only 1 starter from last year. So as a rb coach i teach the cutback lanes, running with eyes up n open etc, you probably don’t know about that huh? I don’t coach up the oline. So keep the personal comments about our players off this blog, you can blast the coaches all you want.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Check the film bro. All I know is Alameda has a fullback that really doesnt do much blocking or hitting. #78 did do a lot of trash talking too. Before the game. During the game he was a sweaty mess. He must have melted in the 2nd half. Alameda deserves a moral victory. Lol.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Hornets already looking into next year. So is this season is already over for you?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Who dat,
Why are you looking at the past? like yea Navato and JL were good like two years ago but now their not the same team as they were… like i understand Heritage scheduling a team like navato that has good success in the past years and all the sudden not play as well as they did because they expected to be good? You got to look at this year…. When people do seeding for playoffs they dont look at scores from last year… that doesnt make sense and if they do its not right because theirs more deserving schools that deserve to be ranked. like dont get me wrong Heritage is a good solid program, but people tend to overate them way to much. Why would you look at a team thats changed from one year and compare to now and the scores from both seasons? a team can change and develop over one season… So in that case Heritage got bad luck that Navato and Montgomery werent as good as they were… so idk if they will go back up.. But i will tell you this.. if they pull an upset over Concord, I see them ranked 3 regardless of what the score is… I know all the Bval teams very well because i used to play in the BVAL and i do know what every team is capable of doing..
September 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Bval Fan has a good point towards the end when he says “Why would you look at a team thats changed from one year and compare to now and the scores from both seasons?”
and Who dat if you were reading what he said, he said that he believes that DV should go down as well.. so obliviously he was looking at the point of view.. i think your just being biast about heritage
September 28th, 2010 at 11:53 am
the papers know nothing, according to calpreps, heritage is a 4 point favorite, they have way more kids in the school and on the team, some of the best facilities in the Bay and tons of community support, heritage should win by 2 scores minimum…MINIMUM!
September 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Heritage would not be 3 because they would not have beaten any team to justify that ranking. No way would they deserve to be ranked ahead of MV, Cal, Foothill. Like I said they have ceiling during the regular season, because DV is not as good and they aren’t playing any of the EBAL teams who lost a combined 2 games during non-league. To move up they will have to go out and beat some teams in the playoffs, that’s just how it works. Concord is not the #3 team in the East Bay so why would beating them move Heritage to #3? That makes no sense.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
look at foothill they beat 2 of the same teams heritage beat (novato and logan), but they are on the top 10. if you don’t want to look in the past, why are they on top because they beat pitt? pitt has not won a game. pitt also is not the same team last year. all i’m saying is if you are looking at this year, a lot of the teams in the top 10 should not be there. i know a lot of these teams are through people voting who they like. why not go by stats and game results. if we are looking at this year, then all teams should be equal in the beginning. all i’m saying is mv, foothill, srv, and other ebal teams should not be on top just because of previous years. all those team s are not the same teams as last year. not even close. you cannot put that on one team and not the rest. you can’t say a team beat pitt and they should be on top because pitt was good last year. that was last year. but if i say heritage beat montgomery beacuse they were good last year it doesn’t count. double standard???
September 28th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
look at maxpreps ratings for NCS div 1.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
MV who cares that MV beat up Heritage LAST YEAR…That was LAST YEAR…a totally differant team. I’m not saying they are ready for De La Salle…just a lot better than most teams.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
why would there be a ceiling? who put that rule? it should be about the current year, and only about the current year. stop living in the past. last year is last year. it’s over. you should rank through their winnings and stats alone.
September 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Reggie, Alameda has not given up on this season, we are not looking into next season. We still have 6 league games and will prepare to win. What makes you think that ?
September 28th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Looking at intersections of who has played whom, Foothill vs Logan 38-28, Heritage vs Logan 24-12, Foothill vs Novato 37-12, Heritage vs Novato 41-14, Heritage has a good case to be rated as high as Foothill. Since Concord is rated right below Foothill, the game this week between Heritage and Concord will determine if Heritage should move up to that spot.
September 28th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
whodat is correct!! and screw the rankings. If the coaches who played all these teams voted things up top would look a little differant!! It’s to easy for fans to vote with their hearts..but not really know what’s going on.
September 28th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Bval fan what are you talking about?
September 28th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Renegades… i was just demenstrating how far they would go up if they beat concord.. you have a miss understanding about that
September 28th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
it was an example on how high they can possibly go up
September 28th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Who dat,
i understand your point about DV SRV etc… but i think how they do it is.. they dont have fans that vote its the people that work at contra costa times like Ben Enos and his staff vote on it that cover High school sports.. i think but im not sure…
September 28th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Just to let you guys know im totally against looking back at last year and basing the rankings from last year.. just a reminder
September 28th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Bval Fan: if you take your logic that last year doesn’t matter then they have played a bunch of bad teams this year (no matter what they did in the past) besides Logan, you don’t believe any top 10 team would not destroy the teams Heritage has played. They are a good team but MV has 14 returning starters from the playoff game last year and they were beat down by MV (63-37) also I would bet you that Pitt would beat those teams that Heritage played but they scheduled a tougher set of teams. As I said earlier if the beat Concord they should move to 7 then let’s see how they do in league, you know as well as I that EBAL teams are going to kick the crud out of each other so they will move up if they win in league.
September 28th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Rankings always start based on the previous year. The reason Maxpreps/Calpreps has Heritage rated so high is because of the scores they have produced, nothing else. Maxpreps/Calpreps rankings are usually much better around the time playoffs start because they rely solely on numbers and equations and data and they have much more to work with at that time rather than four weeks into the season. They will take into account all the teams that Heritage played, and the how they did over the season. This is starting to sound a lot like Berkeley last year where the fans were saying they didn’t get any respect, that they should be higher, and we all know what happened there. Heritage had a good win this week on the road. They have another test coming up against Concord. I think in my own personal rankings they will be the top BVAL team after this week, because I think DV is going to get handled by Vacaville, unless of course Heritage loses to Concord then it’s all moot.
A ceiling in rankings is based on who you are going to play. Heritage, after this last matchup is not going to play any teams, except for DV if they are unbeaten when they meet, that allow them to move up. They would have to hope that one or two of the EBAL teams above them are upset by a lower ranked EBAL team. Heritage did try and up their schedule, and it’s not their fault that two normal powers are not at the same level this year. If Heritage starts producing consistently in the playoffs as well, than each year they will get more benefit of the doubt when rankings start.
It’s so early in the season, and you guys care so much about where they are ranked now. It’s about the end of the season where you finish. Let the season progress and the rest will take care of itself.
September 28th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
after the island bowl game seen cunningham laughing it up with some of the jet players. good guy right there. as for the jets jv team being absolutely dreadful…? all of those players will be the role players as they move up to the varsity squad and all of the still young stars on var now will be the team leaders, just how the program has run since shram has left. SMART COACHING!!! bring up the sophs that can play on var and let the not so ready sophs DEVELOP! that program is set-up to be successful for many years to come.
September 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Bleacher Coach, You can say who you think is better but you really don’t know until they play do you?
September 28th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
MV alum I know MV has 14 returners but they don’t have Knottingham or anyone close to him….and no way Pitt beats either Novato or Montgomery!I agree it’s put up or shut up time with Concord this week. A loss to Concord would not be the end of the season for Heritage….even though I think Heritage wins a close one (37-28). My money says Heritage, even with a Concord loss, would be 9-1 going into the playoffs.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
just to clear things up with ROEPER IS DEAD i am a hornet fan so dont get me affiliated with the encinal nonsense
and who do you play for since ur dogging us and encinal,
anyways harvell does need to play the o line but the coaches never got him under control so everybody saw this coming from a while ago,
September 28th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Your defense would suck if it didn’t swarm??? Oh, OK….Chris Johnson would suck if he wasn’t fast! How stupid of a statement is that? The Jets outplayed Alameda while playing a very mistake filled game. That gane was never in doubt regardless of the score. You got the feeling anytime they wanted they could have ran that misdirection trap out of the shotgun and ripped off 50 yards a chunk. That sais, Cunningham ran very hard with not a lot of room. I was impressed by his running….not his results. It didn’t look like he was crying and whining to his O-line either…which is noble. BTW, neither QB looked very good. Ve’e looked far better than both of the Hornet QBs. The Hornet JV QB looked real good though….next year?
September 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
The Fan, Cunningham grew up with alot of the Jet players all coming up through the Alameda Little League programs and Pirates. They established bonding friendships that not even The Island Bowl can come between. They have been competing with and against eachother for at least the last 10 years. They all hold a very high level of respect for eachother. Encinals jv squad was one of the better jv squads in years past. They had some stud lineman and the rb #2 was a beast ! Encinal will continue to be one of the top teams as long as their school can stay open All we can do is wait and see. Jesse Lewis the Hornet jv qb is our future, he can read, run and pass, but the beauty of it all he will be pressed by Ernest Gardner , our other jv qb. Alameda needs to toughen up and win these league games for any shot at playoffs, bottom line!
September 30th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
There was a lot of talk over the summer about athletic teams vs. teams that use high school offenses such as the double wing, wing T, veer option etc…
That will be on display tomorrow night on ESPNU at 7:00 EST when St. Thomas Aquinas of Florida takes on Camden County of Georgia #5 and #6 in the country respectively. Aquinas, as always, is loaded with college talent and speed and they go up against Camden County that relies on their Wing T offense to get the job done with no real standout athletes. It should be fun to watch.
October 1st, 2010 at 3:43 pm
This is in response to Hornetfan #38 above…”I know the coaches are tired of his dad making play call suggestions” You mean suggestions such as letting Tom take the ball out of the shotgun formation vs. O’Dowd? I made that suggestion because my son Tom was getting killed… no protection and 7 sacks. Here’s a suggestion for you – If any coaches, parents, players have a comment about me – man up and say something to my face. I don’t know who you are “hornetfan”, but you and/or the coaches better speak up, otherwise I will continue to make suggestions. I spend hundreds of hours coaching these young men in the offseason and care about their safety and success. I EARNED the right to speak my mind – my actions speak for themselves.
October 1st, 2010 at 3:58 pm
And another thing “hornetfan”, as a true Hornet Fan, we don’t need “fans” like you who constantly spread rumors. I personally find people like you who spread unfounded gossip quite pitiful. I’ll bet you never get any further than head burger flipper at McDonald’s. Get a life…
October 1st, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Hey hornetfan, man up buddy… you know who I am, who are you?
October 2nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Don’t see anything on Saint Patrick/St. Vincent’s. Got a chance to see a game and was impressed. They are a well kept secret . They’re 4-0, and getting stronger. Should be a good year for them, and I’ll be keeping my eye on them, as should all real football fans. They have athletes with D-1 potential. Don’t sleep.
October 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm
yes I agree Lion. SPSV is very good and they have grown from last season in which they werent bad at all, but it looks like they are talking league title right now. And in that BSAL after SPSV and Encinal it seems to be an open season. Other than Moreau Catholic, the rest of the teams are struggling here and there.