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EBAL stats – 10/12
By Ben Enos
Tuesday, October 12th, 2010 at 6:30 pm in East Bay Football, Stats.
Here’s the second installment of stats for the East Bay Athletic League. Enjoy!
Rushing (by yards)
| Player | G | Rush | Yards | Avg. | TD |
| Lucas Dunne, De La Salle | 5 | 72 | 638 | 8.8 | 11 |
| Damariay Drew, Livermore | 5 | 62 | 627 | 10.1 | 9 |
| George Atkinson III, Granada | 5 | 59 | 598 | 10.1 | 8 |
| Kyle Alvarez, California | 5 | 53 | 538 | 10.1 | 6 |
| Michael Sullas, Monte Vista | 3 | 55 | 446 | 8.1 | 5 |
Passing (by yards)
| Player | G | Comp | Att | Pct. | Yards | INT | TD |
| Bart Houston, DLS | 5 | 44 | 70 | 62.8 | 833 | 2 | 9 |
| Kyle Moreno, Amador Valley | 5 | 47 | 105 | 44.7 | 751 | 6 | 5 |
| David Camarena, Foothill | 5 | 44 | 66 | 66.7 | 729 | 4 | 7 |
| Zach Kline, San Ramon Valley | 5 | 55 | 96 | 57.3 | 710 | 2 | 4 |
| Drew Reil, California | 5 | 40 | 56 | 71.4 | 662 | 2 | 11 |
Receiving (by receptions)
| Player | G | Rec | Yards | Avg. | TD |
| Bryce McGovern, Monte Vista | 5 | 28 | 397 | 14.2 | 3 |
| Dane Turner, Monte Vista | 5 | 20 | 203 | 10.1 | 2 |
| Cameron Rowland, Foothill | 5 | 20 | 335 | 16.7 | 4 |
| Jake Isabel, Amador Valley | 5 | 18 | 215 | 11.9 | 1 |
| Lucas Shapiro, De La Salle | 5 | 16 | 288 | 18.0 | 3 |
Scoring
| Player | G | TD | FG | 2PT | PAT | Tot |
| Lucas Dunne, DLS | 5 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 84 |
| Damariay Drew, Livermore | 5 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72 |
| George Atkinson III, Granada | 5 | 11 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 68 |
| Kyle Alvarez, California | 5 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 48 |
| Carson Ewanich, AV | 5 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 36 |
Total offense
| Team | G | Rush | Pass | Total | Avg. |
| De La Salle | 5 | 1,326 | 840 | 2,166 | 433.2 |
| California | 5 | 1,225 | 778 | 2,003 | 400.6 |
| Monte Vista | 5 | 977 | 960 | 1,937 | 387.4 |
| Granada | 5 | 1,153 | 655 | 1,808 | 361.6 |
| Foothill | 5 | 669 | 739 | 1,408 | 281.6 |
| San Ramon Valley | 5 | 588 | 812 | 1,400 | 280.0 |
| Livermore | 5 | 1,057 | 336 | 1,393 | 278.6 |
| Amador Valley | 5 | 503 | 860 | 1,363 | 272.6 |
Total defense
| Team | G | Rush | Pass | Total | Avg. |
| San Ramon Valley | 5 | 748 | 507 | 1,255 | 251.0 |
| De La Salle | 5 | 638 | 643 | 1,281 | 256.2 |
| California | 5 | 709 | 621 | 1,330 | 266.0 |
| Granada | 5 | 664 | 697 | 1,361 | 272.2 |
| Monte Vista | 5 | 1,091 | 306 | 1,397 | 279.4 |
| Amador Valley | 5 | 681 | 798 | 1,479 | 295.8 |
| Foothill | 5 | 706 | 780 | 1,486 | 297.2 |
| Livermore | 5 | 966 | 830 | 1,796 | 359.2 |
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October 12th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RICKY LLOYD HAS OVER 1500 YRDS PASSING AND 18 T.D’S, he’s almost got double the yardage as your leader…..
October 12th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
When are the HAAL stats going to be posted?
October 12th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Lloyd has 195 passing attempts on the season. The EBAL leader Houston has 70. I would hope that someone who passes a little less than triple the amount of times as someone else would have double the yards. Not too mention that Lloyd has faced much weaker defenses than Houston.
October 12th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Lloyd already has a full ride to S.Mississippi…What does Houston have??? Lloyd is a pure passer with far less talent around him. Houston is good, but he isn’t close to Lloyd!
October 12th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Bval fan, I agree Lloyd is a great qb, but my response was intended at the idiot who decided to come on a thread about EBAL stats and brag about Lloyd’s numbers being double what Houston has. My response was directed at him and what I said is true if you look at the numbers. But if you would like to talk about Bart Houston, he is only a junior, been starting since mid way through sophmore year and has been rated a four star recruit by Scout.com was recently listed as one of the top 100 recruits in the country for the class of 2012 by the same service.
October 12th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Lloyd has 1711 yrds, 22 td’s & thrown close to 400 against two Div 1 teams that were previously undefeated …. We would most likely not be on this post if we get the first installment of DVAL Stats Renegades if you come watch Lloyd or his 2010 highlight on youtube you might see what were talkin about. I don’t care who Lloyd plays against, He’s gonna light them up like a pinball machine! He’s just unreal & special. By the way Lloyd had over 2700 yrds & 36 td’d passing as a junior
October 13th, 2010 at 7:18 am
that same service said boehm the kid from mitty was a 4 star recruit, don’t believe a recruiting rating ever.
October 13th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Both are the best in their leagues, quality of competition is very different though. Using common opponent example: Concord lost to Del Oro 42-40. Del Oro lost to state champion in Nevada Bishop Gorman 38-13. DLS beat Bishop Gorman 28-14.
October 13th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Sorry! Concord did noy play Del Oro they played Whitney at the Battle at the Capital
October 13th, 2010 at 9:21 am
How can you even compare the two QB’s like that? Lloyd has thrown the ball three times as many than anyother team in the bay. Of course he will have more yardage and TD’s.
October 13th, 2010 at 9:28 am
You are absolutly right DLS plays a much higher level of competition, but on some scale Concord has tried to schedule as tough as possible. Houston is a very good QB and so I ricky, here is the difference at the end of the day, I believe Ricky could win games at DLS, could Houston win games at Concord….
October 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am
There is a definate bias toward schools that are well known(De La Salle) or are known for developing a certain position(San Ramon Valley, Monte Vista). That doesn’t mean there aren’t great players elsewhere. They just don’t get the hype.
October 13th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Playing teams like American and Skyline, Houston absolutely would win at Concord. We should revel in the fact that there are two quality QB’s in the area. Comparing them negatively is unproductive. Completely different styles of offense, neither is good or bad but both different. Obviously both are successful.
October 13th, 2010 at 10:09 am
I guess bottom line is that I would take either of those QB’s to start my team…I’m not taking anything away from Houston, I just feel he would not win at Concord like Lloyd..just my opinion.
October 13th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Thank you ManDown that was my original point directed at he 1st poster on this thread. Once again Ricky Lloyd is a great qb, but why did the poster known as Eg4life come on the EBAL stats thread to brag about how many more yards Lloyd has than Houston? Forget the level of competition for a second, yes I believe that if Houston were putting the ball up in the air 195 times he would have very similar stats. But as Ebal#2 said two very different styles of offense. I know the recruiting services are not always accurate, just making a point that Houston is getting some attention on a national level as the poster Bval Fan asked what Houston had. Jeez, didn’t realize this would touch off a firestorm here.
October 13th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Concord did not play Del Oro this year. They lost to Whitney (3-3) in the Battle at the Capital 42-40.
October 13th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Houston works at DLS
He would not be succesfull at another school
He needs the O line he has at DLS
He realy can’t scramble and throw on the run which he would have to do at another school
Kline is a good example, he is good in the pocket and has looked good in shorts
When the pressure is on, a differnt story
October 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am
It’s been over a week since we were told DVAL stats would go out. Eg4life just letting off a little steam I guess. I’ve seen both Lloyd and Houston play. If they were on the same team Lloyd would be the starter.
October 13th, 2010 at 11:17 am
What is really important is does the team win. Individual stats are really meaningless unless you take them in the larger context of team support, type of offense or defense run and opposition played. A specific QB or RB might have great numbers, but if all the teams they play have crappy defenses then there might be a reason why the stats are so high. That is not to say that the player is not good, but they might not be as amazing as they seem. How much credit is an O-line given for the QB or RB success.
October 13th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think that Concord might have found a sweet spot in their season in that the passing game works. Most top teams you look at the stats show more rushing yards than passing yards or the stats are close to even. Concord is the opposite in that they have way more passing yards than rushing yards. I hope Lloyd does not get hurt. There is much more of a chance of that happening in the tougher leagues.
October 13th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
My bad, Concord played Whitney AT Del Oro. Makes the point even better though. Whitney has CalPreps rating of 15.3 while Del Oro is at a power rating of 21. There are at least 5 EBAL QB’s that could do well with that type of competition.
October 13th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
ebal fan, I think you are wrong and I think most ebal coaches would agree, in fact lloyd wen 41-53 against Amador Valleys defense, I think he had something like 5 tds and no ints, I wonder if 5,or 3 or even 1 ebal qb will come close to over 80 percent completion, because I know the first thing out of your mouth is, “but no one throws the ball 53 times in a game.”
October 13th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
I have not seen Lloyd play but would certainly like to. It sounds like it would be the same sort of fun that we had last year watching so many of the terrific QBs in the EBAL. This year the games are not quite so exciting. But it is hard to match the recent EBAL QB crop. All 8 of the starters two seasons ago, seniors and juniors, are playing QB in college now. That was a great pool of talent.
October 13th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Houston went 7-9 against AV for 155 yards and 77% completion rate. Same completion rate Lloyd had…
October 13th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Anyone who has seen Loyd live has got to be impressed. He is a star. Same goes for Houston.
October 13th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
If lloyd is that good den come ncs time he should win d2 cuz its very weak field. jimmy durkin im not sure theyll have enough teams 2 fill out da 16 team brackett.
October 13th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Houston v. Lloyd — apples and oranges. Both great fruits…Houston ave 17.2 recep vs, Lloyd 7.7. Two completely different style and accomplishments based on their own individual team dynamics…would Houston be successful at Concord – absolutely, we know he can compete against the competition Concord faces. Would Lloyd be successful at DLS? Who knows, he has never had to compete against the same competition that DLS has to go against (yeah, yeah – a couple of common opponents from EBAL, which DeLa destroyed). Both great kids to have…
October 13th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
You cant even compare the completion rate of 7-9 against 41-53, the odds are not in favor of the QB throwing 53 times, yet the rate is the same!….isn’t this the same game in which Lloyd completed 17 in a row? If needed Lloyd could hand off 90% of the time too!
October 13th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
AV vs. Concord and AV vs. DLS were two completely different games. Houston had all the time in the world and could mix run/pass play at will. Lloyd picked AV apart with his scrambling and precision passing. (He was picked off once in his only long throw.)
It’s fair to say Houston is a talented QB or he wouldn’t be starting for the nations #7 ranked team. (But let’s get away from the “he’s only a Jr. angle”. Won’t he be 18 in a couple of weeks? Some kids with his birth date are already in college, with the rest ‘older’ seniors.)
You can’t compare the two by their statistics. Having seen both play, I would however go with Lloyd. He certainly plays a bigger factor in the outcome of the game.
October 13th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Plus Houston only played 1 1/2 quarters to get his stats.
I didn’t say Lloyd couldn’t play in the EBAL, I said that 5 EBAL QB’s would be excellent against the likes of Whitney and American(actually the number is 6, MV has two, Lockie and Finnegan).
October 13th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
ebal fan #2 now i know ur not serious
October 13th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Maybe he meant the equivalent of 1.5 games.
October 13th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Houston was 7 for 9, 2 TD pass 1 TD run 155 yards passing in 1 and a half quarters against Amador. He left the game at that point along with most of the first stringers. It is customary at DLS, they do not leave in their starters to run up stats, otherwise it easilycould have been over 100-0 against Amador.
I believe Houston has only played one full game this year, against Bishop Gorman. Another reason why DLS is so strong every year, the 2nd team gets a great deal of playing time so when they become seniors or somebody gets hurt they have experienced players to take their place.
October 13th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Ebal Fan #2 is right, the starters were pulled before halftime against AV. DVAL Carl, I was responding to eastbay’s comment about Lloyd’s game against AV and how no EBAL qb would come close to 80% completion rate. Well, Houston certainly did. Didn’t matter about who threw more passes, but you are proving my original point in post #3.
And I could argue with you about who has a bigger impact on the game. As someone else said it’s not always about statistics, but how the team does. Last year before Houston took the starting job, the team was 2-2 playing ugly football on offense. They had no passing game to speak of and teams were just putting eight in the box. Houston comes in (granted he didn’t have to play a team of equal abilities to Bosco or Lakeland but the team still had struggled offensively against AV and Serra) and hasn’t lost a game as a starter. He changed that offense last year from the first game against MV.
Look again this whole thing started just because I responded to the first comment about the stats. Ricky is a great qb, and I am not trying to take away from that.
October 13th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Look what Eg4life started and no additional response from him (or her) LOL. Let’s go on to the next topic , both these kids are great QB’s
October 13th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
When a far superior team steamrolls opponents, I would expect everyone’s stats to look good. (Even for their limited playing time.) The DLS RB had impressive numbers and some great runs against AV. He also got caught from behind (3) times in the open field. With so many DLS lopsided games, it makes it harder to judge just based on statistical leaders. They are all pretty good ballplayers.
October 13th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
renegades10 I heard your Vandels & Utah are comming in hard recruiting Lloyd but So miss is hanging on!
October 13th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I didn’t know Idaho was coming after him, and looking at both his scout and rivals page they aren’t anywhere to be seen on there but Utah is, just no offer from them. I happen to know some people who talk with the coaches on a regular basis and may have dropped a few names of some Bay Area guys who aren’t getting a ton of attention right now and should be given a look. Pica has the Vandals listed though and would be a good pickup.
October 14th, 2010 at 12:02 am
#29 AVD
Is what you stated a fact? So Houston will be a 19Y/O Senior? Make sure you have your facts right…
(But let’s get away from the “he’s only a Jr. angle”. Won’t he be 18 in a couple of weeks? Some kids with his birth date are already in college, with the rest ‘older’ seniors.)
October 14th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I believe R10 is right. He was held back becuse of sports. The Texas way!
October 14th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Wow. My son will finish his senior football season still 16!!
October 14th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Having seen Houston at least 4 times, what I can say is that I believe him to be in the second tier of recent EBAL quarterbacks. He is definitely not of the same caliber as Nottingham, Mannion and Southwick. You could argue that he is a talent on the level of Stompro of Cal and Comes of SRV, bit of whom are now at D2 schools.
October 14th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
I don’t pretend to know Houston’s actual birthdate, but I have heard from several people that he used to play with an “older age group” while participating in age specific sports such as Little League. It is possible that dad had him playing with older players for development, but more likely that he was indeed that age. His younger brother that is a freshman at DLS may have also played with an older age group previously.
October 14th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Coach, I didn’t say anything. He actually turns 17 soon for the misinformed so yes he is on the older side for the junior class, but not 18. And he is much better than either Comes or Stompro. Maybe not as good as Nottingham, Mannion, and Southwick I will agree with you there, but I don’t think the two others you mentioned had UCLA in the stands watching them like Bart did on Friday night…
Look he is still developing physically, growing into his body. It takes time. I will be curious to see how he develops over the summer and coming into next season.
October 14th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Many kids who have birthdays from end of August through the end of the year are not started in school until the next year. To be 18 through most of your senior year is not unusual. Being 19 would be unusual.
October 14th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
not to be agumemtative but I am pretty sure he is pushing 18.
I know folks who saw him driving (more than once)by himself during the winter of his Freshman yr, around Jan. of 09. Which meant he was 16 at the point. I am assuming he was driving legally.
October 14th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Coach i have heard rumors that he is going on 18 as well. during the basketball season of his freshmen year he was already 16. His brother who is a freshmen playing qb on jv at dls is also 16 during his freshmen year. my brother who started school a year late did not turning 16 untill april of his freshmen year. so yes this is a very unusally circumstance
October 14th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
knowing and rumors are two different things. Bart’s younger brother is on the frosh team playing on the lines.
October 14th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
By the way what happened to all those disgruntled Cal High fans who were bashing the hire of Billeci and saying it was a disaster and such. Looks like it turned out alright for them after all hahaha.
October 14th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Lloyds recruiting stock continues to rise
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/T_iEL9f9Ed-YiQAcxJSkrA/southern-mississippi-commit-ricky-lloyd-on-record-pace.htm
October 14th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
R10- You may recall the biggest diss was KillerD…he thoroughly trashed the new hire and wiffed on a low blow (it was a poor attempt at humor at the least) at two other head coaches who’ve earned the utmost respect during their tenures in the EBAL…
http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner/2009/04/29/logan-coordinator-eric-billeci-named-cal-high-football-coach/#comments
October 14th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Houston THROWS better than did Mannion, Nottingham and Southwick. Houston throws the best deep ball of all of those. Southwick was obviously the most athletic. Nottingham was a bit more accuarate than Houston at this point. None of them are/were great at going thru their reads-they all locked in on their primary for the most part.
Probably splitting hairs between the four- I’d take anyone one of the them.
October 14th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
After reading back through those comments, it is clear there were a lot of naysayers when Billeci was hired, but I don’t know how any of them were “disgruntled Cal High fans”. Killer D and a few others obviously felt he should not have been hired.
As of today, I think he looks like a pretty good hire. He is the first coach in the history of the school to have beaten both Monte Vista and SRV in the same season, and they didn’t just squeek by as the combined score of 83-22 the past 2 weeks shows. Last year they had a ton of talent, but lost some close games late and finished poorly. They look great so far this season. Time will tell if the Grizz can keep this up, not only this year but in future years.
October 14th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Agree Prep Fan as long as he doesn’t get hired away. You just never know with what’s been going on with budget cuts and such, he keeps this success up some private schools will be calling. Reading his quotes though in the different papers, it’s uncanny how similar he sounds to Lad at times and the way the players talk about the team it’s just funny sometimes how familiar it all is.
October 15th, 2010 at 7:22 am
the hiring of belleci was well covered this season by the hiring of Kravits and the former SRV o line coach.
October 15th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Cal could have done better with the talent they had last year but it was difficult for the seniors to adjust to the loss of their old coach and the philosophies of the new coach. There were some mistakes made by the new coach last season which lead to the Grizzlies inconsitent play last year but I think many of those mistakes have been fixed. Coach Billeci has been successful in putting his mark on the program and has discarded some of the traditions brought in by Sanchez and has created some new ones. This year’s team is much more cohesive than last year’s team because of that.
October 15th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Junior, Post 51, you are out of your mind. All 3 of those QB’s you mentioned are better than Houston in all aspects of QB Play. That statement, better THROWER is quite an overstatement. Houston is good, but no where near those other 3. In my opinion, I was way more impressed with Blake Wayne at DLS than Houston. I guess we’ll see where he ends up in college, but I had to laugh at this comment. I would take Southwick or Nottingham 100 times out of 100 over Houston.
October 15th, 2010 at 7:55 am
To be compared to those QB’s is a compliment indeed for Bart. Let’s just wait until after his senior year before comparisons are made. None of the quarterbacks listed were dominant until their senior years, Houston is dominant this year but his team is superior. As for the poster that said the younger Houston is playing QB on the JV’s he is way off the mark, he is an offensive guard, big kid but never quarterback.
October 15th, 2010 at 8:56 am
bottom line…cal can throw the ball this year, last year they could only run the ball. that is the difference in this years team…last year they were so predictable and even when they did pass there was no creativity to it. this year they have a very nice balanced offense that can burn you either way. got to credit the head coach, but wouldn’t forget about the influence kravitz has brought to that team as well.
they are clearly the 2nd best team in east bay this year. cal didn’t have a bad year last year, washington just had there number.
October 15th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Cal could throw the ball last year, they just didn’t. Quinn Kahler was not a bad passer and John Sarmenta was a good reciever in his junior year. That was one of the mistakes Coach Billeci made last year. He did not use all of his talent and came in with a predetermined strategy of what would work. That has changed this year, partly due to Coach Billeci growing as a coach and partly due to Coach Kravitz. But I think coach Billeci is showing a lot of maturity and foresight in accepting what Coach Kravitz can offer.
October 15th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Here is the problem with comparing any DLS quarterback with a Lloyd or other non DLS qb who is at a typical public school. Defensively the DLS qb has a huge advantage. When teams play DLS they have to defend DLS running game with 8 guys in the box leaving man coverage on the wideouts and since the safety is manning the tight end or slot, houston has a huge advantage in play action and big play potential in the passing game. Lloyd probably faces 2 safeties plus man coverage underneath. Same for a mv qb, or SR or a mannion last year. Plus your conners have to defend the sweep and option back on runs. Corners have a lot going against them before DLS snaps the ball. The DLS qb should lead the area in ave yards per completion every year.
October 15th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Houston is a better passer than Wayne was. Blake is one of my all time favorite Spartans, a true leader. But in terms of being a traditional qb Houston is far superior. Wayne was great for the veer system, small and quick and made good decisions. Two very different types of qb’s, but if we are talking about pure passing ability Houston wins that battle hands down. I am not going to compare him to the big three qb’s of the last two years, but the kid has a lot of talent and is still developing. He is not even close to hitting his ceiling. He also commands the same amount of respect in the huddle that Wayne did which is very important. He still has things to work on, but the talent is there to potentially be listed as one of the great EBAL qb’s.
October 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Cal success is the maturity of coach B; the addition of Coach K and an Oline coach BUT, the majority of Cal success is the talent on the team. Please realize the last time a DLS JV was beaten ( and the first time in a long time) was a beat down the current CAL seniors delivered two years ago.
The CAL team is getting its props on #2 ranking, but individual players who are very talented are not even getting discussed.
Alvarez has over 500 yards rushing, and 4 other rushers over 100 yards, Reil has over 700% completion percentage.
The monster offensive line – Pearson and Garwood – have had their way all season and will give DLS a run for the money
Taft and Samenta as recievers very talented
October 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Will foothill last under their Qb?