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UPDATED: Oakland forfeits game to Castlemont, Gifford fired
By Jimmy Durkin
Friday, October 22nd, 2010 at 6:50 am in East Bay Football.
Here’s an updated post, which is the same as what ran in today’s paper, from after receiving an e-mailed letter from Nelson Gifford. Sorry I couldn’t edit this earlier, I was tied up last night and I’ll be out of town this weekend. – JD
The Oakland High football team is forfeiting Saturday’s scheduled home game against Castlemont, and Nelson Gifford wrote in a letter to Bay Area News Group that he has been fired as the Wildcats coach.
An e-mail from the Oakland Athletic League to Bay Area News Group said the game is being forfeited “due to reasons that cannot be discussed at this time.”
Gifford wrote that he was let go Wednesday, adding that “the specific reasons behind my firing remained unclear.” Reached Thursday evening, Oakland athletic director Carlos Sutton confirmed Gifford’s dismissal but declined further comment.
The Wildcats and Knights were both seeking their first wins. Oakland will now drop to 0-7 overall and 0-2 in the OAL. Castlemont is now 1-5 and 1-1. Oakland still has three games scheduled, including one Oct. 30 against Fremont at Curt Flood Field.
The league also announced that the Skyline and Oakland Tech junior varsity teams will play each other (alternating home and road games) for the remaining four weeks of the season.
The other four OAL schools were unable to field enough players for JV teams. The league typically requires at least four teams for there to be a season but worked it out to allow the two existing teams to complete a full schedule.
ORIGINAL POST
The Oakland High football team is forfeiting Saturday’s scheduled home game against Castlemont, according to an e-mail from the Oakland Athletic League. The game is being forfeited “due to reasons that cannot be discussed at this time.”
The league also announced that the Skyline and Oakland Tech junior varsity teams will play each other (alternating home and road games) for the remaining four weeks of the season. The other four OAL schools were unable to field enough players for JV teams and the league typically requires at least four teams for their to be a season, but worked it out to allow the two existing teams to complete a full schedule.
Skyline will host on Saturday and Nov. 6 and Tech will host Oct. 30 and Nov. 13. All games are at 11 a.m.
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October 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am
Why is it that every year Oakland High has to forfeits it’s games?
October 21st, 2010 at 11:42 am
That is really sad that the JV programs are dwindling and that there are forfeits on the varsity level. It seems to be getting worse in a lot of areas every year. The school districts are underfunded and a lot of parents are just not able to make up the difference. I hope something can be worked out to continue high school sports, but these are tough times.
October 21st, 2010 at 12:17 pm
This is a tragedy! Where are the oakland school/city leadership?maybe the Raiders can step in and lend a hand as well.
October 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
What are the Raiders supposed to do? Their homework? I bet you anything grades came out. These kids and parents need to step up and handle business. Self determination. (ps I’m from Oakland and have worked in the Oakland schools for years)
October 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Concord Varsity fields 21 players. CP Varsity fields 25 players (with an enrollment of 2100). I have witnessed the declining numbers year over year. No real surprise when you look back over what the CIF has allowed to happen. Private schools competing with and recruiting the best away from the public schools. Allowing football to become a year round (pro) sport. Now, pay to play, or like the vast majority, pay to sit on the bench. HS Football has become big business, at least for those programs that can pay the toll.
How to fix? Start by restoring true competition, even the playing field, and make HS sports what they are suppose to be, an extension of the academic education.
No more public/private competition. Private schools play in their own leagues with their own playoffs and governing body. If they want to play in the public school arena they have to abide by the same rules, only players that live in their area, say a five mile radius, no exceptions and no scholarship money.
Defined seasons. No more year round programs, it is a race to the bottom. Look at the low numbers most programs are fielding if you need proof. 3 months of games and 2 weeks of spring ball, thats it. John Madden said it best, “I have no idea what is going on anymore, when I was in HS, we played football in the fall, basketball in the winter and baseball in the spring and had fun in the summer”. Fewer and fewer average athletes are willing to work year round to benefit the few moving on to the college level.
Eliminate pay to play. Or else your league/school will be next. There is a pay to play model, it is called club. Pay to play has no place in the public school system. Fewer average athletes familys can afford it, so they are dropping out. Some stay, don’t pay, and force others to cover for them in the form of increasing fees to play (or sit). Call it what it is, discrimination..
October 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Terrible. I thought Oakland had a decent shot at the last OAL playoff spot. Too bad
October 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm
How about Bob Ladoceur & staff step in & show us good of coaches & teachers of life & football they are?
October 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm
This is sad to hear and read about the current state of athletic programs in Oakland schools. I hope something could be done soon. Parents should be more involved with their childrens’ academic and sports affairs. We can’t always blame the schools. We need to look at the parents first.
October 21st, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@long time
What do Private schools have to do with Oakland schools not getting it together on the football field? There’s only one private school doing anything major in Alameda and CoCo. Take that argument to the West Catholic.
October 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm
@Longtime
Well said couldn’t agree more…. Year around programs will be the death of high school sports.
What happened to playing for the fun,competition and honor of representing your school. Year around programs are designed to run off the marginal player who just wants to play some ball and have fun representing his or her school.
Coaches…. It’s not about D1 scholarships it’s about having a positive impact on as many young people’s live as you possibly can. Isn’t that why you got into coaching in the first place??
October 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
EBFootball,I agree with your statement. Public schools in the EBAL seem to field squad of 40 kids or more…they too are public! Perkin, what does Lad and his staff have to do with Oakland High not being able to field a team? It’s my understanding grades just came out, perhaps study halls and emphasizing to the kids that going to class is important. You sure as hell don’t need Lad to tell them that!!
October 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Tenorio seems to have found a way to make it work at Encinal and Carter found a way to make it work at Mack and Berkeley.
S1liver, unfortunately your point about the public EBAL schools won’t hold much water on this board because people are going to talk about family structure and support (which to a point has its merits), probably some will say kids in the EBAL schools get passes on bad grades.
I don’t believe year round programs are going to be the death of high school sports either. Yeah it’s hard work, but is it bad to learn how to commit to something to work your ass off for it? Who cares if it earns you a scholarship or not, those two values right there, commitment and hard work, are life lessons and are an extension of the classroom. Not to mention the bond that is built between teammates as they work through the offseason conditioning and learning how to work together as a team or unit.
October 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Well said Renegades 10.
October 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I think that the affluent areas have an advantage as the football season gets longer. The parents are more likely to have only one parent working which leaves the other available to drive the player to and from practice in the spring and summer. The parents also tend to have more flexible job hours to give support to the players. The player is less likely to have an after-school or summer job because the parents don’t need the money and call the student going to school and playing football their job. I think the areas that are able to afford it will continue to do it and will allow the affluent areas to become better. The real situation is not this polarized, there are cross-over areas and demographics of who tends to play football and who doesn’t.
October 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Please let’s not forget some of this falls on the Student Athlete! Back when a lot of us played…Sports was all we really had going on! Computers,Smart phones,Facebook etc…dominate a lot of the kids time! Not to mention everyone is a “Rapper”. Some are going to say it’s Grades, or parents, but if the kids don’t come out…they just don’t come out!
October 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Gotta agree with USNAVYCOACH
October 21st, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@Renegades10
Your Quote
“I don’t believe year round programs are going to be the death of high school sports either. Yeah it’s hard work, but is it bad to learn how to commit to something to work your ass off for it? Who cares if it earns you a scholarship or not, those two values right there, commitment and hard work, are life lessons and are an extension of the classroom. Not to mention the bond that is built between teammates as they work through the offseason conditioning and learning how to work together as a team or unit.”
My thoughts
That’s great for the 20 kids that want to do it all year round. My issue is with the 20 or 30 others that just want to play ball for a couple of months out of the year and move on to pursue other sports or hobbies during the school year. Playing high school sports should not be like joining the military. Because when it’s all said and done It’s just kids playing ball….
October 21st, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Grant is in the “HOOD” in Sacramento, Long Beach Poly is a tough neighborhood also, on top of that Crenshaw is certainly not the suburbs…… so why do these public school seem to have solid football programs that sustain typically year after year…..
The real problems is:
Using deductive reasoning what does Long Beach Poly, Crenshaw, and Grant have in common since they are all publics that have had success?
The answer is the size of the school in relation to the area they serve!
Oakland has 6 High Schools! Way to many! Way to many! 2 or 3 big comprehensive schools in Oakland and every team would be able to field a Varsity and JV, possible even Freshman teams. There would be no forfeits, and some pretty dam good teams in almost every sport!
Its about numbers
October 21st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Great point football watcher
October 21st, 2010 at 6:48 pm
It makes no sense year after year it’s the same thing with the Oakland Schools. I think that the OAL should merge with the NCS!
October 21st, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I’ll just direct this to the O-High admin who hired that young inexperienced coach: hahahahahahahahahaha
When you hire on criteria other than football, that’s what you get. A losing season and another group of young men having a crappy experience because of incompetent adults.
And if anyone wants to say this post is sour grapes, I reply “hell yes it is.” I am tired of people who don’t know anything about football making football decisions resulting in losing football.
October 21st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
If a kid doesn’t want to make the commitment then that’s their problem. All kids have the option to play other sports at the public schools if they want. A lot of guys run track, play basketball, maybe baseball, and wrestling. Another point I have is that the sport is faster and more violent now. The training helps the kids stay fit, get stronger, and most importantly reduce injuries. High school players are much bigger now, even when they come in as freshmen before they start the off-season weight training. If a kid truly has the desire to play than they will make the commitment to the program. It really is that simple.
October 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm
ALLROADS… Did Oakland High fire their new Coach? If so then it’s to bad because they never really gave the guy a chance. I agree with you that their admin has done a bad job!
October 21st, 2010 at 9:09 pm
How many of the OAL schools have coaches on campus? Coaches on campus are a LARGE help for sport programs.
October 21st, 2010 at 10:34 pm
@AllRoads
The O High coach was an assistant coach at Laney for at least 4 years and he brought on at least one of his former players to coach. Thats what I know.
October 21st, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Yeah Oakland did just fire the new coach today! I hate to hear that. I am sure those kids were trying to wrk hard each day as well as the coach. I hope that they can find the right guy to run that program who can stay for longer than a year. Havent had that since Byrd was the for a few years!
October 21st, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Yea all roads not quite sure what you mean by inexperienced, he did have football coaching experience and had to be doing something half way decent he had the leading passer and top two recievers in the league stat wise.
October 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 am
E_culb top rated passer n reciever! u cant b serious? how many wins did dat get him? u gotta pass wen ur down 21. would an oal school ever play grant?
October 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 am
E_CULB:
From your past posts, you seem to be tied into the OAL. Would you say that the young man was qualified and equipped to run a “program?” I’m sure he was an assistant here and there, but had he ever been a head coach at the HS level? Did he ever coordinate? Does he know what the A-G requirements and NCAA clearinghouse requirements are?
Those are the usual requirements one needs to build and sustain a HS program.
October 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 am
Wow second firing at O High in less than a year! High school coaches never get fired. What’s up with that AD?
October 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 am
@ AllRoads
The responsibilites he held where he was gave him enough experience to warrant the chance. You are right I am tied to the OAL so lets be real there are not a ton of former head coaches lining up to take those jobs.The guys that apply will all have similar backgounds. As far as knowing the A-G requirenments I dont have forehand knowledge of if he did but he’s an extremely bright (yet at times anul) man so I will go oout on a limb and say he did. (but I could be wrong). But as someone alluded to earlier knowing those requirements will only be handy for less than 5% of your team, and that’s the sad part of high school football now everything is focused on that one piece now, how many kids are getting scholarships out of your program? Not how many kids are going on to do something productive in life, and contibute positivly to society or those that do get scholarships staying in touch with them to assure the have all the support to not come home without the degree.
Now do I have first hand knowlegde of why Nelson was fired? No. But Oaklad high is beginning to show a pattern that its not the coahes that are the problem they where could enough to hire but then all of a sudden somethings happens and you need to get rid of them? Fool me once shame on me, but now im starting to see a pattern.
@Bill
Would an OAL school ever play Grant? What does that have to do with anything? Or better yet who cares? Was I serious yeah. I responded to remarks about the coach being hired for criteria’s other than football. Check all the leagues stat posted by the Trib. If we used your theory every school that sucks in all these leagues should have players at or near the top in passing categories because when they are down they have to pass. For a team that is 0-6 yet has players leading in these categories says to me that he was doing some Xing and Oing and had somewhat of a football mind. Heck Bill did you even look at his stats? The kid has over 1,200 yards passing through 6 games, he would be second in the DVAL and MVAL, and first in the BVAL, EBAL, and the HAAL in pasing yards. That speaks volumes, and says you just wanted to say something negative about the OAL like you always do.
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 am
Football watcher is right
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:16 am
Very unfortunately the pattern I wrote about in less well-to-do districts/areas of east bay football have all come true. Sad for those kids.
Last week I discussed the Decay of several parts of East Bay high school football was Eroding Month by Monty and not year by year. The OAL, Diablo region, MVAL, Richmond and HAAL are in a Terrifying FREE FALL.
Not EVERY single school in those areas but Nearly every one.
Now to this story about a Quality coach like Gifford being fired by that AD at Oakland High.
NUMEROUS head coaches have been run out of the head coaching position at Oakland High, AFTER being hired by the AD currently in charge.
At what point does the AD take responsibility for his choices?
To any experienced observer, the AD’s time has already passed, and it’s the unlucky fate of these short term ‘new’ head coaches that get the erroneous blame.
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 am
Gosh! Another firing? What did this guy do besides take over a team that wasn’t goning to be really good this year? thats why kids don’t come out and play ball or even take it seriously anymore. No stability in coaches sets a bad example on players because its new things they have to learn every year and if the AD thinks the coach is a no good then the players will start thinking like that about him and the school. Personally I didnt really know about the Gifford hiring in the first place. Tat guy is a little strange and a real “Smart Ass”
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 am
I think everyone is skirting around the real issue here…… If Alabama fired Saben (which is pretty unlikely) in mid-season would they not play the next game? Of course they would…. Trust me Oakland High is not forfeiting because the coach got fired! if they had the numbers to play, the assistant would have finished the season. No administration in the world would allow kids to have athletic competitions taken from them if everything else was up to par.
The real reason for the firing in my opine is two fold;
1. The team was just not that good! They had not won a game yet and the AD hired this guy to replace a semi-decent coach who was run off only a year prior. This puts the AD in a tough position…. does he allow his (“bad hire”) to continue to make him look worse, or does he end it so it wont get to 0-10 for the season…
2. The team did not have enough eligible player to compete, trust me if they did they would be playing…..the league does not want to forfeit games, it makes them look even worse…..
So as I said in a previous post: What is the real problem here?
If there were only Skyline High, Oakland Tech, and Oakland High School in Oakland none of the problems that we gripe about from the OAL would even be there anymore. No more griping about the coaches, because the under-qualified coaches wouldn’t be able to get the job. There would be no forfeits, even if some of the kids academically couldn’t make it, you would have so many more playing that the numbers would over compensate. Lastly you would have really competitive teams.
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
E_CULB:
Like I said, you have been a constructive contributing member of this board, so don’t take any offense in the following. For your edification.
“As far as knowing the A-G requirenments…be handy for less than 5% of your team…how many kids are getting scholarships out of your program?”
A-G requirements is the body of coursework for minimum consideration to attend a CSU or UC. For me scholarships are, at best, a tertiary concern. Graduation and admittance to a University (not Community College) is paramount. Remember, 99.99% of us will be making a living in a field other than playing football.
So we can be passionate fans here, but the hiring of a HC who actually is concerned about every kid and clearly focused on the realities of life preparation through education is literally and metaphorically life and death.
I love football, but a HAPPY PRODUCTIVE LIFE is much more important.
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am
E_CULB:
Why did he get fired?
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am
I’m for coaches being held accountable they are paid employees (which is why I’m so against volunteers or coaches getting nothing for the time they put in) but what grounds did this AD fire him under? This isn’t Texas where coaches make enough to pay their bills so the product on Friday is all that matters.
IF they hired this guy what expectations was he given? Is the AD being very thorough with the judgements he has made against this guy or getting all his info 2nd hand. Does he attend practices regularly to see exactly what the problem was or things not being handled in the right way?
To fire a guy half way through the season he had to of done something very extreme in my opinion nothing to do with on the field or it just isn’t right. You hired him with long term in mind I hope give him until this Freshman class are seniors before you can pass any judgements on him. He has to establish himself & how he does things & in the OAL it is gonna take sometime. This just doesn’t seem fair to Coach Gifford. Looks very bad on the school administration to not stick it out until ATLEAST the season is over.
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 am
The only people who know why he was fired are the people connected to thyat program. i hope that the kids are able to get back out there and compete soon and all the other nonsense can be left in the past! When things don’t seem right and its hard to figure out why diceisions were made i guess it is safe to say there were some internal issues going on that could not be resolved! Too bad for that program!
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
Congrats to the Culberson family also! San Diego Here they come!!!!
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
@All roads
I stated already I dont know why he got fired but I know he was worth a shot as a head coach. As far as the A-G requirements this much I know about him, he’s a UC Davis grad and went to Palo Alto high so I’m going to assume he knew what they where. And to the 5% comment it was said in the context of the football coach to his players those A-G requirements only pertain to those who coaches feel have the legit shot at getting a scholarship.
Let’s keep it all the way solid here every school has a least one conselour who is knowledgeable in the requirements for college so dont make the coach the end all be all for the players. Heck the players have to go through there counselors in order to get the clearinghouse forms so everything aint on the coach. Should he know yea but lets not put every kid on the teams future in one persons hand. Let’s be real honest here every player that plays on a high school football team WILL not want to or have the grades to go to a CSU or UC, for some kids in these inner city schools graduating high school will be the last graduation they see but if from that the coach has motivated them to explore other legal options at getting money (such as trade school) then he has done his job. And as my thinking always was if a kid stays eligible throughtout the school year they will fulfill the A-G requirements.By the way what is wrong with going to community college?
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
Thanks B. Beard
October 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 am
E_CULB:
Your #41 comment says it all with respect to your understanding of the “true” purpose of HS extra-curriculars and the current plight of schools in Oakland.
‘Nuff said
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
where’s the alums and the support staff in this league? Time to stop mthe excuses- everyone has heard them all- Poly and Grant have no problem- condense the schools and get some support- that includes buy-off from the players- if you can’t commit- it ain’t legit!
October 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
They fired a guy who had creditabilty,. Ex -player with education.
October 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Why would the AD fire the coach in the middle of the season??? I think something other than football caused his firing. Even though he didn’t win any games I feel he should have at least been given the chance to finish the season. I agree with E-CULB, there is a pattern at Oakland High. It seem as though every Coach that gets hired is fired within two years. The AD should fire himself.
October 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
The AD at Oakland High should fire himself!
October 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 pm
fyi… Long Beach has 8 schools that pull from the area… Poly, Cabrillo, Jordan, Wilson, Lakewood ( which is a city inside of the LB Area), and Mayfair, St. Anthony’s and Los Alamitos too… my point?… the problem in the Oakland Schools is that there is just too much outside influence pulling the kids in different directions… making it REALLY hard for the schools/sports to be as successful as the schools in the more affluent areas. I’m sure the kids in those schools have distractions too, but lets not get it twisted… the distractions in Oakland are VERY different and VERY hard to overcome for the schools/sports programs… not to mention that it is hard to get support from the atheletes’ parents…LB Poly is in a very tough HOOD ( I grew up there )… but, they have great support staff, great alumni, booster club/parents that get involved, great support from the community, and really good admin that have a belief and love for their extra curricular programs at the school… gotta fix a lot of things including the community…juss my two cents…
October 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am
FYI hit it on the head- nice post.
October 23rd, 2010 at 7:19 am
East Bay Warriors and the Oakland dynamites have had thriving programs for years. Both programs have plenty of parent and administrative support. Any school can be successful if you have that kind of support.
Case and point, Look at Coach Curtis at McClymonds High School. He was a coach at Oakland High and he did not win any games because he did not have any support from the school.
Now look what he has done in just two years over there! The admin is supporting him and now look at the results.
October 23rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Plain Truth:
I concur. The parent/booster/alumni/admin support is overwhelming. They have history, passion and a lot of pride at Mack. No doubt.
But here is the BUT. If your going to hire a head coach, that leader has to be able to create that type of support as a primary part of their job. Not as some part-time or once-in-a-while focus. For a HC, the football part is important, but the Program level building is the priority.
October 23rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm
It is Jerry Brown’s fault. The former mayor did nothing for Oaktown.
Seriously, it comes down to poor leadership in a very difficult environment. The environmental factors will not be overcome without strong leadership, and the potential of many student-athletes will not be realized. Those with strong leadership thrive despite environmental factors, and those with weak leadership do not progress.
October 23rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Paydirt that’s why we vote Marcie hodge for mayor she will change that.
October 23rd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Vote for Marcie hodge for Oakland mayor for this to change.
October 23rd, 2010 at 4:59 pm
There has to be a change at Oakland High! The AD must step down!!! He has done a terrible job!!! They need to hire a coach that is going to be there for more than two years.
October 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm
U know Oakand High is the only school to fire a footbal coach to my kowledge. No other school in the OAL has fired a coach! Wow, whats up over there?
October 23rd, 2010 at 5:57 pm
#50 and #51…You two are so right
October 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Why did coach Gifford get fired?
October 24th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
No one knows at this point! probably just disagreed on something with the admin!LOL! And they said you gotta go, too sad!
October 25th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Does anyone know if Oakland High will play the rest of their games this year?
October 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
First of all one reason to play sports in highschool is to get a div 1 scholarship alot of these kids no matter what school they attend or neighbor hood they live can’t afford 4yrs of college. year long work out programs arent the problem I’d rather have my kiod there instead of playing video games all day or worse in these streets.I can think of alot worse thing to do than working out for 3hrs a day.
The problem we are facing is that it takes a villager to raise a child. Head coaches must push education more adminstrations need to support all athletics more with progress reports on grades and behavior in class. coaches must be willing to punish there best plAYERS for insubordination. the parents must get involved ALOT MORE! AND SUPPORT THE COACHING STAFF AND SCHOOL! Dont be the enalber. three components must come together as one ebal schools are successful because they have that and it starts from when the kids are 9-10 playing in the feeder programs they support. those kids no where there headed and what there goals are when they get to highschool and it can happen for any school who wants to put the time in.with the help of parents you can develope a support system and your future coaches and players!
October 25th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Amen to that allstar coach
October 25th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
I think O-High will play their remaining games, it was never said that they forfeited the season. So they should play Saturday!
October 26th, 2010 at 12:16 am
sad how the oal is so down, but like a few people said on here most of the problem is the o high AD its been that way for some time now. the kids need to b thought of first and the qb at o-high is a very good player
October 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am
They have two of the assistant coaches who had been really running the program last few years back along with two alumni to help finish the season.
October 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Oakland High should win tomorrow!
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:13 am
The Wildcats are finally in good hands Coach Murph and Coach Goree will bring back the winning tradition bacak to O-High.
November 2nd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
They had been in good hands the last 4 years with coach Murph and coach Cooper over there