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All-East Bay football team
By Jimmy Durkin
Sunday, December 26th, 2010 at 12:23 am in East Bay Football.
Here it is, the 2010 All-East Bay football team, as selected by the staff of the Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
Player of the Year: OL/DL Dylan Wynn, De La Salle, Sr.
Offensive Player of the Year: QB Ricky Lloyd, Concord, Sr.
Defensive Player of the Year: DB Marcus Peters, McClymonds, Sr.
Coach of the Year: Brian Hamilton, Concord
First team offense
QB Ricky Lloyd, Concord, Sr.
RB Lucas Dunne, De La Salle, Sr.
RB Jordan Sanford, Fremont, Sr.
WR Kelly Starnes, Concord, Sr.
WR Bryce McGovern, Monte Vista, Sr.
TE Trevor Taft, California, Sr.
OL Scott Walsh, De La Salle, Sr.
OL Rich Garwood, California, Sr.
OL Freddie Tagaloa, Salesian, Jr.
OL Wendell Taiese, McClymonds, Sr.
OL Luke Simeona, De La Salle, Sr.
K Anthony Piganelli, Miramonte, Sr.
Second team offense
QB Ross Anderson, Miramonte, Jr.
RB Marquis Waters, Las Lomas, Sr.
RB James Lewis, Pinole Valley, Jr.
WR Terrance King Jr., Bishop O’Dowd, Sr.
WR Terrance Young, Concord, Jr.
TE Miles Gordon, Oakland, Sr.
OL Joe Pearson, California, Sr.
OL Isaiah Henderson, Berkeley, Sr.
OL Ross Dolbec, Miramonte, Sr.
OL Jacob Welter, Monte Vista, Sr.
OL Ezequiel Pacheco, Pinole Valley, Sr.
K Guillermo Rivas, California, Sr.
Third team offense
QB Drew Reil, California, Sr.
RB Cameron Stover, Northgate, Sr.
RB Aaron Prier, Salesian, Sr.
WR Cameron Rowland, Foothill, Sr.
WR Trevor Davis, Alhambra, Sr.
WR Grant Jones, Ygnacio Valley, Sr.
OL Ignacio Madrid, Bishop O’Dowd, Jr.
OL Anthony Vivieros, Castro Valley, Jr.
OL Joshua Morrow, Encinal, Sr.
OL Matt McKeen, Freedom, Sr.
OL Josh Cabral, De La Salle, Sr.
K Maxwell Naterman, Pinole Valley, Sr.
First team defense
DL Ben Teichman, San Ramon Valley, Sr.
DL Kyle Miller, De La Salle, Sr.
DL Kevin Chase, Concord, Sr.
DL Mustafa Whitehead, Encinal, Sr.
LB Travis Feeney, Pinole Valley, Sr.
LB Blake Renaud, De La Salle, Sr.
LB Kyle Egan, San Ramon Valley, Sr.
LB Jared Leaf, Alhambra, Sr.
DB Marcus Peters, McClymonds, Sr.
DB John Lewis, McClymonds, Sr.
DB Devin Williams, De La Salle, Sr.
DB Antoine Pickett, De La Salle, Sr.
UTL DeAndre Carter, Washington, Sr.
Second team defense
DL Roydon Fonua, Fremont, Sr.
DL Micah McMurray, Arroyo, Sr.
DL Antoine Davis, Pinole Valley, Sr.
DL Connor Peters, De La Salle, Sr.
LB Jonathan Allen, Encinal, Sr.
LB Matt Haney, James Logan, Sr.
LB Alec Pica, Concord, Sr.
LB Jeremiah Walters, McClymonds, Sr.
DB Matt Butler, Northgate, Sr.
DB Bo Banks, Encinal, Jr.
DB Bryce McGovern, Monte Vista, Sr.
DB Trevor Taft, California, Sr.
UTL Julius Mozee, Pittsburg, Sr.
Third team defense
DL Maurice Poyadue, Alhambra, Sr.
DL Rich Garwood, California, Sr.
DL Chad Washington, Bishop O’Dowd, Sr.
DL Richard Renteria, Pittsburg, Sr.
LB Hardy Nickerson Jr., Bishop O’Dowd, Jr.
LB Michael Barton, De La Salle, Jr.
LB Marcus Prenot, California, Sr.
LB Jacai DeNeveu, Berkeley, Sr.
DB John Hughes, Hayward, Sr.
DB Trent Baker, Acalanes, Sr.
DB Giles Chapman, Washington, Sr.
DB Davon Morgan, Heritage, Sr.
UTL George Atkinson III, Granada, Sr.
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December 26th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Who decides these?
Congratulations to the boys!
December 26th, 2010 at 12:36 am
It states at the top of the article: “as selected by the staff of the Bay Area News Group-East Bay.”
December 26th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Congrats to all of the boys on each team! Some of the weights are wrong(?)…
December 26th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Congrats to all the kids who made it long season you guys paid the price! I would have had allen from encinal over leaf for lb 1st d.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:39 am
good selection on POY. Wynn did it all on a very high level against some very highly ranked teams.
December 26th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
9 total De La Salle players. George Atkinson going to Notre Dame and had 20 scholarship offers and he is a 3rd teamer? Barry Sanders didn’t play on a good team and always was a pro bowler.
You seem to have players with D1 scholarships that you are overlooking that others have not in favor for the favorite Green and White. Ben Enos great job in continuing the tradition of favoritism.
DeLa Salle is great and is a great TEAM with Wynn and Renault being great PLAYERS. 9 great players? Bullshit. Great overall team and coach, absolutely. Coach Lad should be coach of the year every year.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Please tell me, BANG-East Bay how did Antione Pickett make first team all East Bay and he did not even make first team in the league he played in the EBAL. Something does not smell right with this picture or how the all EBAL team was selected.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
I guess the playoffs didn’t count in these picks. Some head to head competition where some were clearly outclassed but wasn’t reflected in these selections.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
why is carter an utility player he is a better wr than either of the two wr’s selected ahead of him. no disrespect to either of the kids but carter should have been choosen.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Honestly, Carter getting chosen at utility is probably a higher honor than WR. Utility is the spot for the player with great all-around skills and most of the time is one of the highest honors outside of the player of the year selections. If he was slotted at WR, it would ignore his great work filling in at QB, his impact carrying the ball and his talent in the return game. I think it’s the perfect fit to recognize everything Carter did.
As for Pickett, all-league selections are made a lot differently than how we select All-East Bay. For one, the playoffs are factored in, unlike in All-East Bay. I’m not saying our picks are always better than the coaches, but if we feel strongly about a player, we don’t let where he was selected on an all-league team affect that.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
I’ll back Jimmy up on Carter. Man, that kid showed the biggest heart when he stepped in to play QB in the Pinole game. He was the ultimate utility guy because he did everything well. Like Jimmy said, utility is a big spot for us. Notice the caliber of the three guys we have there, Carter, Mozee and Atkinson. Awesome players, all three.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:40 am
Micah McMurray, Arroyo, Sr
will become a great TE/OLB WITH the proper coaching
his martial arts train makes him virtual impossible to block. His hand eye coordination is excellent which allows him 2 create incredible leverage in awkward position.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Jimmy D., thank you I understand that line of thinking.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:12 am
No…… Avi Rosenblum of Albany at Defensive Back.
Just asked St Pat/St Vincent what his license plate # is.
Open your eyes and Watch out for this one next year.
He’s a Football player who has the grace of Kenny Easley and brings the lumber as Ronnie Lott did. The Oregon Ducks already have him on their radar and he doesn’t attend DLS! Cal Bears, You need to open your eyes as well.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Thanks jimmy for the explanation it makes sense now.good job to all the kids and good luck with there recruiting process hope they get a scholarship somewhere.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Jimmy/Ben: Why would a player like Atkinson or the other D1 guys not make your team? Because they weren’t in the playoffs? George was the ONLY athlete in the bay to get a Army All American nod. Seems like just because he played for a cruddy team, he was left off. If you truly want the best players, put them on the list. Don’t bias that due to TEAM results people get on. Really a awful message to the kids working hard on a bad team.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
good explanation on carter i agree, best all around player in high school in my opinion this year. no player contributed more at multiple positions on offense, return game, and on defense at such a high level against good competition.
so any analysis on the all star game? was shocked to see we didn’t move the ball better considering the offensively talent was loaded this year in comparision to last year. Defense probably wasn’t as good overall, especially the D-Line. but felt the offense would put up more points with all the QB talent and WR talent. Was sac that good? lack of execution? etc?
December 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Agree with Big Poppa that picking this team from anything BUT ability and play is wrong. DLS wins based on TEAM with a few GREAT players.
I would like to recommend that you pick the BEST players for this team not players based on the fact that they played on a great team. This demoralizes a kid who plays great and does not make the team for someone on a championship squad who is good, but not great. These teams should be bases on merit, not politics. What does everyone think?
December 27th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
The 3 BEST players for DLS didn’t even play. Wynn, Renaud and Dunne should have been out there representing the East Bay. There were plenty of other players who are either already committed to D1 programs or played in the state bowl games last week that did play. The EB sure could have used them, as it sounds line play and runnning game was virtually nonexistant and Wynn and Dunne in there would have improved the EB team’s chances. Now Sacto haqs the bragging rights when we didn’t even have our best players suited up. Hopefully next year we can play the game in the East Bay to level the playing field somwhat. It is not fair that every time a Sac team plays a team from the East Bay it is in Sacto, either in the battle at the Capital or the All Star game. Let’s get some of these scheduled here in the East Bay.
OK, enough sour grapes. Good job by Sacto yesterday shutting down our offense and taking advantage of the TOs. Hopefully next year we can get them back with our best team playing locally and they can enjoy the long bus ride. Scoreboard: Sac 1-0-1, East Bay 0-1-1.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
just because a kid is going to play D1 doesnt mean he had a better year than someone else. just because a kid has more potential to be good at the next level doesnt mean he is better right now. DLS kids are the best coached in the state they max out their potential there. they dont get a lot of d1 players out of there because they might not have as much potential but they kick every other high school team all over the field so they are the best right now
December 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
If we chose players for All-East Bay based on Division I scholarship offers, that would be a lot worse crime. There are a lot of factors that go into a kid getting offers and there are some really good players who don’t get scholarships for a number of reasons (size, grades, etc.) A lot of scholarship offers are based at least partially on potential.
And for the record Renegade, George Atkinson did make the team.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Jimmy and Ben good handling of a tough job no way to please everyone with any list… Regarding the Holiday Classic several issues first the Sac D-line had a number of kids (Grant) that were huge (Lopa,Moala,Sau)but the biggest issue was Hamilton’s game plan – he didn’t try to establish any ground game and sent the message that he was going to let Ricky’s arm win the game. Once Sac adjusted to that and started blitzing every down it was a jail break every play. The biggest guys on the East Bay O-line weren’t as strong or as technically sound as they needed to be to win those battles (interestingly he moved his biggest tackles to the guard position)and for any LLoyd-haters the kid is the real deal and a solid leader (Pac 10 you missed out). In addition, you saw an amazing variety of football intelligence and discipline based on the program they were representing. Finally, regarding George A. another underwhelming performance dropped balls, mishandling the pitch running out of bounds, etc.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Last comment. Jimmy: Atkinson 3rd team. DLS great TEAM, agreed. Best talent not chosen on this team, 70% right. Most D1 guys not first team delivered this year, BIG. I take NOTHING away from DLS, they represent a GREAT TEAM! Wynn, Reinauld deserve everything they get, Lad – Top Notch. 9 due to winning it all, NO. I guess my main question is how do you evaluate who gets on this team, what makes you the experts, how many did you see play? This is a weak method of all star selection – playoffs. If this was in the NFL, we would have never heard of Barry Sanders.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Good job Jimmy on picking Jacqui from Berkeley, J.Rosales at TE, Rodolfo at RB, K.Abrams FB, and J.Dailey, DL from Kennedy Richmond, should’ve received some consideration. Everyone’s not happy, but overall thanks for your job this year. Good seeing you at the All- star game, oh yea great job to Brian HAMILTON class guy. Niko is going to Washington State with Run Rickey Run! Did you see that Comet!
December 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
i love it, because they are a D1 athlete they are automatically better than other kids at the high school level.
so i guess dano graves is not a good QB, because nobody is knocking his door down to play qb at any college. one of the best high school qb’s of all time in norcal doesn’t deserve to be on all section lists because he isn’t getting d1 offers.
now that would be the true crime. he is just one example but you can’t pick kids based on potential, it is picked based on performance. and a lot of scholarships are awarded to guys with great potential, not necessarily great football players at this point in careers. while a lot of great football players now, may not get much better, because they have maxed their potential therefore don’t receive d1 looks. but it doesn’t lessen their contributions to their high school teams.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Mark Hardin Berkeley should’ve been on one side of the lines Missed that One.
December 27th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Hanging around the The East All-Stars Squad the past week. They surely missed Dylan Wynn’s Motor. Looking at the All-East Bay Selections. They’re are more than few who decided to skip the game or we’re not invited. Sac’s OLine was too big for our guys. Blake Renaud may have been able to slow the quick footed QB from Folsom, Dano Graves! I wouldn’t say that Sacramento’s All-Stars were better, I think our team found it difficult adjusting to the speed of the game when Sac was blitzing almost ever down. We had too many drop passes and tick e tack penalties to move the chains effectively. All in all the East Bay All-Stars played well and did not quit. Players that stood out were QB Lloyd, WR Carter, DB’s (Peters, Trammell and Picket) OG Taiese, DL (Fonusa and Mazza). Sad to see the 2010 Season end.
December 27th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Where can we find the final stats of the east-bay?
December 27th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
My question is not about who made it and who didn’t, but more of a safety concern. I noticed a lot of blitzing, especially by Sac. This is one of the only All-star games I’ve ever watched or attended where you’ve been able to blitz. Was that just an oversight this year or is it part of this game? With O-Lineman that are playing together on just 2 weeks practice, how much pass protection and blitz pick-up can you install? I felt it was the blitzing really neutralized Lloyd.
And guys we really shouldn’t spend time questioning the selections. You can’t invite everyone (Although the NCAA Bowl system tries.) I do wonder what this game actually is though. Is it a celebration of a player’s Senior season or a showcase for a players’ total body of work? You answer that question and then you know why a lot of young men were not invited.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Jimmy, Ben,
Good job on the selections..I noticed that the majority of the selections are Seniors for most of the teams. Is that the way things shook out or do you try to get the outgoing Seniors the additional recognition? I guess if you are an underclassman (8 total)on these teams it should be considered an honor…This of course,taking into account the depth of the East Bay Athletic pool, yes? Happy new year gentlemen and look forward to additional great prep coverage for 2011!
December 27th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Haven’t heard the specific reasons for why Wynn and Renaud didn’t play, but I know Renaud played really banged up most of the season so probably wanted to get healthy.
Going to be honest, I said this on an earlier thread that I thought Sac would beat the East Bay team this year. Part of that based on the fact that Hamilton wants to launch the ball all day long which makes it easy to defend, and the fact that the Sac defense was absolutely loaded this year. Defense is always easier to play in all star games as opposed to offense.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Big Pappa, those 11 DLS players, count ‘em, not 9 make any team in the East Bay and START!
Houston got left off the team, should have made it.(3rd team).
Ask the coaches they played against- MV, Cal, Gorman, St. Mary’s, Servite, San Ramon. Ask their players.
As far as Div 1 players who were left off 1st and 2nd team selections, that’s the way the ball bounces.
Your 3rd team selection was very ineffective against some top teams, in season and in the playoffs.
I think Ben and Jimmie did a good job overall, the top teams had multiple choices, Concord 4, Encinal 4, California 8, Mack 3. Can’t help it if De La doesn’t float your boat, they should have had Sharpiro make 3rd team too.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
The all-east bay selections were pretty right on. As far as some of these players not participating the the All-star game, that’s a personal; decision. Many top notch scholarship players don’t play in all-star games.
Also, several players have been hurt in the past and hindered their college starts. The blitz rule is not enforced in some games, very dangerous- way too much head-hunting in all-star games. Some players move on to another sport as soon as football is over like basketball, baseball, wrestling, track, etc.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
If the DLS players aren’t that good that made all-east bay, then it should have not made a differance if they had played in the all-star game, right?
December 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Interesting, after the Cal high all-east bay selections, only 6 spots for the remainder of the EBAL on all 3 teams. Sounds like the league needs DLS more than they realize.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Renagades and Silvergreen, nice season and blog. Happy Holidays!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
just for the heck of it, lets just say that Punters were a position. Who were the top 3. for some reason I think they belong on this list.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Yomama,
you too! have a safe new year! we’ll be back talking gridiron before you know it!
December 28th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Here’s the real list. Thank you Rivals – the experts for evaluate. Ben, Jimmy – get a grip and go with the results, not the who you want list. Your DLS love not felt as heavily here. Not one DLS OL. George, makes it as he should.
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FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
QB: Ricky Lloyd, Concord
RB: Lucas Dunne, De La Salle
RB: George Atkinson, Granada
WR: Kelly Starnes, Concord
WR: Bryce McGovern, Monte Vista
TE: Trevor Taft, California
OT: Michael Padovese, Marin Catholic
OT: Freddie Tagaloa, Salesian
OG: Jacob Welter, Monte Vista
OG: Tavita Taito, Deer Valley
OC: Dawson Graham, Foothill
SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
QB: Nick Sherry, Casa Grande
RB: Carson Seanor, Healdburg
RB: Alex Pica, Concord
WR: Terrence Young, Concord
WR: Terrence King, Bishop O’Dowd
TE: Tyler White, Casa Grande
OT: Joshua Morrow, Encinal
OT: Isaiah Henderson, Berkeley
OG: Ross Dolbec, Miramonte
OG: Joe Pearson, California
OC: William Strauss, Heritage
FIRST TEAM DEFENSE
DE: Trent Mahler, Concord
DE: Dylan Wynn, De La Salle
DT: Nick Mazza, Clayton Valley
DT: Willy Thompson, Concord
LB: Eddie Horn, Granada
LB: Kyle Egan, San Ramon Valley
LB: Blake Renaud, De La Salle
CB: Josh Atkinson, Granada
CB: Bo Banks, Encinal
S: Antoine Pickett, De La Salle
S: Trevor Taft, California
SECOND TEAM DEFENSE
DE: Nick Kristofors, San Marin
DE: Tanner Clark, Granada
DT: George McCloud, American
DT: Gary Randolph, Healdsburg
LB: Jacai Deneveu, Berkeley
LB: Garrett Ransom, Deer Valley
LB: Micah McMurray, Arroyo
CB: Cody Ryden, For Bragg
CB: Jordan Fogal, Arroyo
S: Michael Davis, Kelseyville
S: Dane Turner, Monte Vista
December 28th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
george didnt put up the stats to be a 4th team all east bay. there were still at least two more backs in front of him that got left off. long from logan had 250 more yards more tds and the same average. leaf from alhambra had 150 more yards and more TDs and thats just off the top of my head. and your still a clown East Bay Coach if you dont think deandre carter isnt the best wr in the east bay let alone in the top 4
December 28th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
East Bay Coach,
The rivals list is a joke — not a single OL from BY A LONG SHOT the most dominant OL in the state, much less the East Bay? There are more DLS guys that should have/ could have made the CC list, but didn’t (Houston, Shapiro, Hutchings) than undeserving ones that did. DLS is the #1 team in the country (calpreps/ maxpreps freeman/ massey). The next highest East Bay team is California at #132, followed by Concord @ #540 and San Ramon Valley @ #699. Lad may have helped them more than the average coach become good players, but you ought to give the kid credit for putting in the work to get there. Hesitate to say anything critical about a particular kid, but GA III is IMO an outstanding track athlete that is going to need to learn how to be physical if he wants to make something special of his talent. In 2 games against the players you don’t think deserve their accolades GA III averaged 37 rushing yards, 11 receiving yards and 2 tackles. I think you either need to acknowledge the players that caused that lack of production are good or you need to back off your indignation at your perceived slight.
December 28th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@mvalfan Running backs, Rudolpho James and Ryan Toney, are the two I can think of with better stats.
December 28th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
The Spartans Teo is a better running back than EB Coaches choice. Lot’s more heart and breaks tackles. He’ll be back next year. Check his stats out when it counts- NCS playoffs and state game.
December 28th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
It’s natural that EB coach being a parent wants his kid to be the 1st team selection. Shouda, woulda and couda mabey next year at ND. I wouldn’t count on it- too soft.
December 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
yeah carter being left off…
and concord having 2 1st team DL should say enough about the list. no disrespect to concord a great team and great year, but i wouldn’t put their defense in as the reason for the championship. Can understand one concord defender possibly, but 2 that is hilarious.
atkinson a 1st team RB..no problem with them as 1st team DB’s but no way at RB.
no reason to even discuss that post further…
December 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@Big Dog, if playoffs count, then I’m really confused. The writers must also try to use the “strength of schedule” rule too. I wonder if they nominated, then voted. Woolsey at QB not on any team although he won an NCS Championship. I’m still scratching my head on the some of the RB placements/selections.
December 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
renegades 10< whats the axe with hamilton? if the attack is so easy to defend then how have they been so successful the past 3 years. And he has done it without the kids that should have gone to CHS. Thats right RENEGADES 10, Wynn a concord kid, Reynaud a concord kid along with some of the lesser names. But he rubbed you wrong some time ago so you continue to blow hard on the web. Thanks Ham for a great year and all the help with recruiting.
December 28th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Concord Guy, Hamilton a very good coach- it’s not him to blame for the all-star loss. I recall a key fumble on a reverse. Ease up on Concord. Those CHS kids could have also gone to De La. Overall the Concord area put out some studs this year.
December 28th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
not my list..
http://sectionsports.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1166541
check it out for yourself.
When everyone is game planning against a player, tough to deliver.
December 28th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Anyway, I think this poll speaks for itself.
December 28th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
East Bay Coach- That is a predominantly SoCal website making that team. Those writers live in SoCal. They don’t see very many NorCal games.
Concord Guy, slow it down. I have nothing against Hamilton, just saying that his offense doesn’t provide much balance and when it’s easy to tell what is coming, it’s easier to defend. More often than not, they were going to pass the ball with Lloyd who had I believe over 30 attempts. That Sac D was ready for it. That wasn’t the only reason they lost however. Chill out though.
December 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
When does Cream of the Crop come out?
December 29th, 2010 at 12:10 am
I would like to thank Rivals and Eastbay writers for choosing my son Jacai deNeveu LB from Berkeley High. Our coaches missed the ACCAL ALL-League meeting leaving my son off the list for all-ACCal although he went honorable mention his soph. year and second team his junior year, and not even one vote his senior year. I’m proud of him, he’s a beast.Hamilton could of won with some more defense, particularly my son LOL. Thanks For recognizing true talent!
December 29th, 2010 at 6:56 am
I guess its true when someone said the “cream always rises to the top.” It amazing how Jacaii Deneveu makes All EastBay & All Norcal but doesn’t make All ACCAL. Funny how things work out. Congrats to a fine young man. Dad, I agree with with you, I think if Jacaii and Keir Abrams both could have made a difference on the East Bay Allstar team. Hopefully they will make the roster for the Alameda County vs. Contra Costa Allstar game this summer.
December 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Renegade 10: Got to admit that 11 DLS players on the Ben/Jimmy NORCAL all star team is a bit much. Great TEAM, some really good individuals. Some, not 11.
This all star team is much more reflective of the overall play of Northern California.
Ben/Jimmy are absolutely too bias on DLS. Hard not to be a sportswriter with the the perennial favorites in your back yard. Like a Boston writer with the Red Sox.
December 29th, 2010 at 8:55 am
D1,
Cream of the Crop comes out in late January.
December 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Once again it seems like DIV and DV football got little or no consideration . There are only two selections from these divisions on the team. Players such as Ryan Toney,Chance Moses,Chris Carnegie,Ikaika Woosley are good football players.
December 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
@ Hammertime, I was thinking the same thing. Either the Divisions or even The Bay Football League in general. The BFL’s stats were not posted on this board AT ALL this year. Ryan Toney and Ikaika were league co-MVPs.
December 29th, 2010 at 11:24 am
We had all the BFL stats when we made the selections. Woolsey was VERY strongly considered. At the end of the day, we can only pick three quarterbacks and six running backs. There’s always strong competition at QB and RB and just because a guy didn’t make it, doesn’t mean he wasn’t considered. Ben and I could personally tell you that Woolsey was one of the guys we probably felt the worst about leaving off.
December 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am
May I make the suggestion that there be a honorable mention section added to the team so that players have the chance to be recognized at these lower levels.It still seems that up to D3 things are ok but DIV and DV are forgotten.
December 29th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The BFL stats still weren’t ever posted even though the rest of the leagues were posted weekly. Woolsey, Prier, and Toney were all highly rated on the EastBay stats.
I can only imagine how hard your jobs must be especially with all of the talent in the bay area. Great athletes on the list, can’t argue that. How about an honorable mention or also received votes list.
December 29th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
The problem with an honorable mention list is I feel it’s a bit of a cop out to make it easier on us. It would probably open us up to less criticism, but I think it would take something away from the team. There would still be good players not mentioned on that list as well (not to mention our page designers would never allow us to give them something else they need to try to fit on the page).
December 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I see your point Jimmy. Overall most would have to agree that you do a great job. Thanks!!! And next year even if you don’t put the BFL stats on this board, there will be some BFL players leading the east bay.
December 29th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Is There a site to go to to get the final east-bay stats?
December 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Great points again. Myopic focus to who we can put on the team with Green and Silver. Jimmy: I would really want you to address 11 players on the team. We deservce to know your thought instead of hiding behind we weighed playoffs. Not acceptable. Nobody else sees it that way, no other poll.
December 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Thedude,
The final East Bay leaders appeared in the paper on Nov. 18, but it doesn’t appear that version got up on our web site. I’ll see if I can find some time next week to get it posted on the blog. (I’m out of the office until next Monday).
EB Coach, we have the right to choose the team as we see fit. Like I’ve said, we’ve never called ourselves experts. This is our crack at selecting an All-East Bay team. We weigh what we’ve seen along with gathering some opinion from coaches. Is it the end-all, be-all for who are the best players around? No. But it’s our best attempt to reward players who had great seasons.
December 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Regarding the Holiday Classic. We put in blitzing because this is big boy football. We like to showcase the LB’s too! The declare before you blitz or no blitzing rule is making the lb do something unnatural and I feel could jeopardize them not only in the game but possibly get hurt. Lets not forget both teams are able to Blitz! So it’s all even.
Regarding DLS players not playing. One kid did not want to play. One kid was hurt and one kid didnt make the team. In all star games much like this thread some well deserving players are left off. A lot of times it comes down to the offense that is being run. Do they need a power back, scat back or blocking back? I will use the sac team as an example. A pac 10 kid and the state’s leading rusher for most of the season were not selected. They wanted tough hard nose running backs. Sac knew East Bay was going to bring it so they needed backs that could block and run inside!
Overall I think the total (sac and east bay) was 5 kids that were selected that didnt play. One was on vacation and 4 because they had offers. I would have liked to see them compete against the best but I would never hold that against the kids. Hopefully I answered everything.
Again some great plays and exciting football last weekend.
December 29th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Oh the game is up..Go to http://www.wannaplaycollegesports.com and click the link. Due that first while on the computer then do something else. It takes about ten minutes to load because of the quality of the video. Go to full screen and enjoy!
December 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Jimmy D: You have the right AND the RESPONSIBILITY to get it right. Some opinions from coaches? Who? How many? Coaches meaning DLS Head Coach, Asst Coach? C’mon man. You have flipped saying it was a reward for playoffs earlier.
Stick to writing the local sports beat and PUBLISH the national experts and local coaches polls. They are the experts and always get it right.
December 29th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Dang East Bay Coach, this is the 2010 All-East Bay football team, as selected by the staff of the Bay Area News Group-East Bay. STAFF selections!! You kinda have to back off Jimmy and crew.
You can post your own list of 2010 All-East Bay as selected by you!
December 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
JustMaybe,
Amen to that! Jimmy and Ben are probably some of the most objective writers in CA. It’s cool that we want all of our kids to be recognized, hell, we are all biased towards our kids..we should be!
December 29th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
I expect Silvergreen comments: Jimmy and Ben are puppets for you guys. Most objective? Are you serious? NO way green and silver or anyone else gets 11 on the list.
C’mon man. DLS and CC Times too close. Seperate the relationship AND be objective.
My list? Couldn’t do it, not close enough to all of it like the regional and national Rivals and Scout are.
December 29th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
East Bay Coach you are soooo right on! EVERYONE knows that Both Jimmy and Ben favor DLS and for that readers have no respect.
S1Lvergreen hmmmm your name says it all LOL. OF COURSE you LOVE Jimmy and Ben and their 11 DLS picks. JIMMY you admitted you are NOT an expert. OK then stick to writing stories and let the EXPERTS do their job in picking ALL East Bay Team. Your list has no credibility. The credible list is the one from Rivals.com and Scout.com, THEY are the experts!
Jimmy why don’t you post their picks on your paper LOL, I bet you won’t
December 29th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
You want to know how many conversations I’ve had with DLS coaches? Zero. I’m with the Oakland Tribune and so outside of blogging a few of their games, I have very little relationship with DLS.
December 29th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Thanks Jimmy!
December 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Whoa. Things are going postal, I see. East Bay Coach, I’m sorry we seem to have upset you so much. Jimmy and I tried to pick the best three teams we could and, to be honest, I feel pretty good about the entirety of the group we selected. Is it perfect? Absolutely not.
At the end of the day though, I feel like we saw enough East Bay football between the two of us to make informed decisions. We both talked to coaches throughout the East Bay for the list, and I feel confident in the picks. Some really, really good candidates got left off, but I think it’s one of the stronger groups we’ve had in recent years.
Anyway, thanks for reading.
December 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Jimmy and Ben- I’d like to thank you for a doing a thankless job. From the 40 Day Countdown to the Mighty McGovern, I’ve enjoyed everything you guys have written this year. You two are the cream rising to the top, but unfortunately, we have some sour apples around here messing up the soup.
East Bay Coach- Jimmy clearly answered your complaints in his post #66. His explanation was both fair and reasonable. You should read it again.
December 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
hey jimmy, any word on southern solano section picks. i know that northern solano picked already. bsal has a team in solano county. why are they not meantioned in any of your picks?
December 29th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Whoa. Things are going Bi-Polar
Jimmy you said in post #66 ” We weigh what we’ve seen along with gathering some opinion from coaches”.
Then in post #74 Jimmy you said “You want to know how many conversations I’ve had with DLS coaches? Zero”
Then Ben says in post #76 “We both talked to coaches throughout the East Bay for the list, and I feel confident in the picks.”
Post #10 Jimmy says “For one, the playoffs are factored”
It sounds to me that the only opinions you both got are from the ones posted here mostly from DLS parents. WOW you guys are BAD! AND Unfair to the Star players who were not recognized because his team did not make the playoffs.
Your East Bay Pick 11 DLS players, Atkinson third team SO BAD!! AND BIAS! LOL what a joke
December 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Jimmy I dont think honorable mention is a cop out. It would maybe offer the chance for kids to get some well deserved recognition. You guys do have a tough job.
December 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Ben and Jimmy, Keep up the good work.
EastBayCoach admits he could not do a better job and he is your biggest critic (What?). We have a name for that: “armchair quarterback.”
Statistically, DLS attracts athletes from more than 11 high schools’ areas (probably more than 25-30), generally excellent if not elite players, so it is plausible that 11 of 75 selections could be from DLS.
Your methodology is sound. Keep up the good work guys.
BTW guys, I know a bi-polar postal worker, so…just sayin’
December 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Ah lets see Playdirt you MUST be playing in the dirt too much. READ East Bay Coach post #72 AGAIN. He said, “My list? Couldn’t do it, not close enough to all of it like the regional and national Rivals and Scout are.
His list would not be better than Rivals or Scouts “The Experts” sounds to me like you have too much dirt in you eyes. Keep playing in the dirt
Are you the Bi-Polar postal worker here?
December 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
How many more people will jump on the DLS bandwagon before they realize what truly makes DLS great? Recruiting and coaching. Just because a player wears silver and green does not make them an All Star. How about looking at players that don’t have the same opportunities to be at a school sponsored by Nike… Take a look at some raw talent, there’s alot around here. Maybe if people took off their DLS blinders, more kids would get the recognition they deserve.
December 29th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
#82. Attracting athletes and recruiting are not the same thing. I made the “DLS recruits” argument 10 years ago, but have not found any real proof. That said, do you not agree that it is plausible that DLS could have 11 of the 75 best players based on their coverage area?
#83. “The Experts” are good with the “can’t miss selections” but after that their expertise fades. Good college programs compete for the elite athletes based on The Experts, but their second tier recruits are generally found by their own talent evaluators and using other resources.
Ben and Jimmy do provide useful and unbiased information to their readers (except when Ben waxes on about his alma mater). If you do not like the work that Ben and Jimmy do, DON’T READ IT! DOH!
December 29th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
I dont understand why Miles Long from logan isnt up there. I believe he put up some of the highest rushing yards in NCS for the regular season as a sophomore. are these teams based on what grade the kids are in?
December 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Paydirt: You don’t attract when the tuition is $15k, it’s called recruiting. Dirt in the head turned to mud. ch. 1077-6 tbl network.
December 29th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Puppets??Best you can do East Bay coach?? If you read some of other postings, I have praised and complimented and rallied for players from other leagues and teams..Perhaps it’s your late appearance to the blogs that have left you misinformed…I see were going down the same old ass road of recruiting, blah, blah…that one is really played out coach, i think you can do better…
December 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
What will finally stop the discussion of DLS recruiting (out of area players) whatever you want to call it, plus other advantages that privates have is for 2 paths to NCS and state championship. One public and one private. If they want to play during the regular season fine. Having DLS go back to quasi independent is not the solution. They will still meet in the playoffs. Until that happens the playing field is not level. I want DLS to continue to be required to play all EBAL teams. With Castro Valley coming in and I imagine Dougherty will join someday only 1 out of league game for DLS to showcase themselves. Since I see that Ben and Jimmy are reading the blogs, what do you think?
December 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Just food for thought.
Nate Montana was 3rd string QB during his tenure at DLS a few years back. He actually played QB in a big game for Notre Dame this year due to injuries. The family name got his position with ND not his play. Not every good HS player will be recruited by D-1 colleges but it could help to have a famous last name!
December 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
East Bay Coach, you want to criticize then offer something up and back it up. Your main beef is the number of DLS players which is 11, but technically ten on all the teams, and 1 with Dylan being named MVP. Six DLS players on defense. Considering that they had the best defense in the entire section, I don’t think it’s that surprising. D. Williams was a lockdown corner and Pickett was a great hybrid safety. Kyle Miller was one of the best run stuffers in the section. I think we all agree Renaud was the top backer in the section. Connor Peters had a great year opposite Wynn and Barton was a terror when healthy. Then going to the offensive side of the ball Dunne was the top rusher in the East Bay, Walsh and Simeona were outstanding OT’s and Simeona was a beast on special teams as well. Cabral might have been the best center as well.
Paydirt, brings up a good point that a lot of people here have complained about DLS being comprised of regional all-stars, but now the fact that eleven of their players are named to the all east bay team it’s too many. East Bay Coach, if they are recruiting, than those players should be the best at their positions, shouldn’t they? You have a beef against DLS, not the writers. And for those national and regional writers you are referring to, how many of them actually see East Bay games? I think it’s pretty fair to say they don’t see many.
December 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
EB Coach: I don’t know if DLS recruits, but they are a strong magnet for students in the Bay Area. They attract students by the quality of their football team and the fact that 95%+ (I think) of their students go on to college.
This might interest you- One of the DLS players, who made the All-East Bay first team this year, actually lives in Martinez and would have otherwise gone to Alhambra. He lives here but commutes to school in Concord. Public schools can’t get away with that, but DLS can and does.
If the player lived in Martinez and wanted to go to school at Monte Vista or San Ramon, he could go to the school there but the NCS wouldn’t let him play football or any other sports. But it’s AOK for him to live in Martinez and to go to school and play football in Concord at DLS.
Having that one player could have made a big difference for Alhambra’s football team this year, as he excels playing a position that we were weak at. Oh well, what can you do? That’s just the way things are set up. I’m happy for the player and his family, as going to DLS worked out very well for him.
December 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Renegade 10:
Take the juice away from DLS and they all shrink.
December 29th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Bulldogforever- nice post- is it true Leaf went to De La as a freshman then transfered to Alhambra?
December 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
EB coach, this should be your New Year’s resolution- Stay off the blogs, you are taking these subjects way too seriously.
December 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
You just had to have the word “coach” in your handle and humiliate all of us real coaches, didn’t you?
December 29th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Big Joe- Yes, Jared Leaf attended DLS as a freshman and also played football there. He was big even then, and they played him on the line. He came back to Alhambra as a sophomore. He lives in Martinez, so he was always eligible to attend Alhambra. I can’t imagine our team this year without Jared.
December 30th, 2010 at 7:32 am
The NCS acutally does allow any player attend any school he wants his Freshmen year then if he chooses to transfer to any school before his sophmore year no questions asked. The issues are usually does the district except kids who are out of district. If Jared Leaf always lived in Martinez as he attended DLS but didn’t come back before his 10th grade year he would have had to have a good reason some extenuating circumstance or he would have had to sit out a year.
December 30th, 2010 at 7:36 am
On another note I think that Atkinson is pretty soft & didn’t deserve 1st team anything. Only saw him play once this year & it was against a very down athlete Foothill team. If he had any heart they would have won. You can see the athlete in him though its all there. Just question the desire. I think Granada will be very down nexst year.
December 30th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Just to throw in more two cents, I think Jimmy and Ben did a great job all year, and did fine with the tough job of picking these all east bay teams. They are right about it being especially tough to pick the QB’s. Off hand I can think of 4 others who easily could have been picked: Woolsey (as mentioned), Miroglio, BOD; Houston, DLS; and Kline, SRV.
Great year of football; thanks to all the passionate folks who make these blogs interesting and fun, and who support high school sports.
December 30th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Strength Cruiser BINGO! Right on the nose
December 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Strength Cruiser and Ballin- Yeah, the DLS players are all on the juice. Those huge linemen and all. Maybe one of the most idiotic posts on the board ever.
December 30th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Renegade 10 obviously you know nothing about “Juice”
Dirtiest sport out there is cycling I would hardly say they are “Huge” Offensive/Defensive lineman and yet they are the worst. Look at Baseball, Track and Field, Swimming, Boxing…..
Again Post #92 is right on. Its a known fact by the community…. DLS players talk about it on facebook
So PLEASE open your eyes!
December 30th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Ballin- I don’t know what is sadder, the fact that you really believe that they use juice, or the fact that you are pretty much claiming to facebook stalk DLS players. Cyclists are not huge even with steroids because they don’t train to be big, muscular guys. But look at those calves they have. You don’t find many that are bigger.
If it was a known fact where is the proof? If everyone knew it, someone would have come forward don’t you think? There is enough resentment of DLS that somebody would have said something.
December 30th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
LOL Stalking??
Reverse right back at you with the amount of information you know about DLS players
Only lineman Juice?? LOL
PS Get Educated google how many cyclist have been suspended because of juice.
December 30th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
I think the only things learned from this message board is East Bay Coach hates DLS and he think he would do no wrong if he was making these selections. The paper should probably just fire Ben and Jimmy and hire EBC as the only beat writer because clearly he would pick the perfect team.
December 30th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Guest – The All North Coast Section Team was NOT picked by East Bay Coach. Read post #49 and click on link. The Team was picked by the pros at Rivals.com
December 30th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
The All-North Coast Section team was picked just like this All-East Bay team, but probably by people who saw even fewer games. Trust me, they don’t pick this team by breaking down film. There team is all about reputation, college commitments, etc. They’ve got Micah McMurray at LB when he played DE this year. That tells you all you need to know about their team.
December 30th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Oh and the George McCloud kid they have on from American didn’t even make All-MVAL, but he’s All-NCS? I guess the three sacks he racked up against powerhouse MSJ is probably what they liked about him. Honestly that team is an absolute joke. No offensive lineman from De La Salle when they ran over everybody? And I don’t even like DLS, but if they are the best team in the state, they’ve got to have a lot of talent.
December 30th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Hsfbfan – Your argument as NO backbone.
Of the 44 players on the list below “All North Coast Section Team” picked by the experts at sectionsports.com/Rivals.com Rivalshigh and local reporters see post #49 – 20 players are not even listed on Rivals.com 3/4 of the players on the list are not even rated. Only 4 are committed so what you say is nonsense. Rivals has a ton of recruiters locally WATCHING games and that is how they picked this Team. UNBIASED based on talent!! NOT on a “Team” winning state. Good thing we have EXPERTS like this can you imagine if the Pro-Bowl was left up to Jimmy and Ben they would have sent half of the Saints to last years Pro-Bowl just because they were NFC and Super Bowl Champs…. LOL
All North Coast Section Team
Picked by sectionsports.com/Rivals.com Rivals High
FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
QB: Ricky Lloyd, Concord
RB: Lucas Dunne, De La Salle
RB: George Atkinson, Granada
WR: Kelly Starnes, Concord
WR: Bryce McGovern, Monte Vista
TE: Trevor Taft, California
OT: Michael Padovese, Marin Catholic
OT: Freddie Tagaloa, Salesian
OG: Jacob Welter, Monte Vista
OG: Tavita Taito, Deer Valley
OC: Dawson Graham, Foothill
SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
QB: Nick Sherry, Casa Grande
RB: Carson Seanor, Healdburg
RB: Alex Pica, Concord
WR: Terrence Young, Concord
WR: Terrence King, Bishop O’Dowd
TE: Tyler White, Casa Grande
OT: Joshua Morrow, Encinal
OT: Isaiah Henderson, Berkeley
OG: Ross Dolbec, Miramonte
OG: Joe Pearson, California
OC: William Strauss, Heritage
FIRST TEAM DEFENSE
DE: Trent Mahler, Concord
DE: Dylan Wynn, De La Salle
DT: Nick Mazza, Clayton Valley
DT: Willy Thompson, Concord
LB: Eddie Horn, Granada
LB: Kyle Egan, San Ramon Valley
LB: Blake Renaud, De La Salle
CB: Josh Atkinson, Granada
CB: Bo Banks, Encinal
S: Antoine Pickett, De La Salle
S: Trevor Taft, California
SECOND TEAM DEFENSE
DE: Nick Kristofors, San Marin
DE: Tanner Clark, Granada
DT: George McCloud, American
DT: Gary Randolph, Healdsburg
LB: Jacai Deneveu, Berkeley
LB: Garrett Ransom, Deer Valley
LB: Micah McMurray, Arroyo
CB: Cody Ryden, For Bragg
CB: Jordan Fogal, Arroyo
S: Michael Davis, Kelseyville
S: Dane Turner, Monte Vista
December 30th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Ballin- I actually went to DLS, still have a lot of ties to the school, know a fair amount of these players because I went to school with, played on teams with, or grew up with their older brothers. Yes I still follow the team, but that’s not stalking last time I checked. Not like getting on a computer and looking at the facebook pages of teenage boys that I don’t know personally as you have done.
Ballin, it was picked by the Section Sports staff. They are based out of Southern California. They don’t travel to see the NorCal games. Rivals has a bunch of regional and local affiliated websites. We have NorCalPreps up here. They actually do see a bunch of games in Northern California. Many of those picks are laughable at best and not because some DLS players were left off. Kevin Scarpati and the SectionSports staff did not do great homework on the players here. I guess they wanted to spread the accolades around different teams rather than award some of the better players. I won’t name anybody in particular, but that is definitely not representative of who should be given the title of all NCS team.
December 30th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
WOW Renegade 10 now you’re reaching anyone that looks at someone else’s facebook page is stalking?? Not sure you know how facebook works
Finally we know the favor you blog on DLS.
December 30th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Alright, enough’s enough guys. A few of you are taking this to levels completely unacceptable for high school sports. I’ve already had to block a few users for using language that is unacceptable. If you can’t have civilized discussions, find a different forum.
December 30th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Very interesting that a post that I just saw by Strength Cruiser was erased. Renegade 10 are you also Jimmy or Ben that has the ability to erase a post because they said something negative against DLS?
Im telling you it all smells fishy here. This East Bay Prep is ALL about DLS
December 30th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Looking at that list, it’s interesting how all the well regarded skill position guys happen to have stats available on MaxPreps. And most of the defensive guys have stats there too. Considering the amount of ground Rivals people have to cover, wouldn’t be surprised if they took a shortcut.
Alex Pica was the fourth leading rusher in his own league (though he was an excellent receiver). That kid goes all-section over Dworkin while he played alongside Lloyd? Doubt it.
Looking back to East Bay coach’s tirades for Mr. Atkinson, I think he solves his own question.
“When everyone is game planning against a player, tough to deliver.”
I look at this several ways. First, these lists tell us who delivered. Not who can deliver, but who actually does. His carries per game seem a bit light as well, though I assume injuries/early blowouts played a factor. Still, getting slowed mightily in three of the four losses will knock you. The kid got highlighted for his all around contributions, good for him. I’m not sure I see him jumping any of the top four guys. Might jump Stover though he trailed by 35 yards per game. Not sure Prier’s stats so I can’t say much on that.
Also note that the Rivals list is a different category from the one at the top. Seven Oakland guys can’t make the Rivals one and no North Bay guys appear on the top one. Big difference.
December 30th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
That post used completely unacceptable derogatory comments. Any comments of that sort will be deleted. This is a place to discuss high school sports. If you can’t maintain a level of respect, you don’t deserve to post here.
December 30th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Ballin,
I think it’s sad that you resort to making allegations of kids using elicit substances simply because they participate in successful athletic programs…you might as well include the likes of Encinal, Mack, Grant, Folsom to name a few; I mean, it’s obvious they are also on the juice right? After all, they seem to string together winning seasons year after year..how about you add something productive to the boards Ballin? Tell us who your team is? Lay off the unfounded comments and talk football…enough of the attacks on schools or it’s athletes already! Good night and a happy new year to my decent fellow bloggers!
December 30th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Like I said earlier Silvergreen your names says it all
What you should have said is “Good Night and a happy new year to all my fellow DLS bloggers”
I stand for the kids that are forgotten and the teams your fellow DLS bloggers choose to bad mouth and discredit, trust me there are plenty!
December 30th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Ballin, my question for you is this. Why are you looking at the facebook pages of people that you don’t know, who also happen to be teenagers? And reading their comments? The correct term is “facebook stalking” and that is exactly what you are doing or at least it would appear so by the fact that you claim to be reading their comments and what they talk about on facebook. I am not Ben or Jimmy, I haven’t even met them before. You are new to the blogs, but both Jimmy and Ben have stated that it would be nice to see DLS lose at some point to make it more interesting. I would venture to say that those are not the words of people who favor DLS.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:07 am
Renegade10 – you are SO out of line and why is it that Jimmy does not remove your comments????? Facebook Stalking???
Do me a favor go an read all about facebook and how facebook works. ANYONE can read comments if not private!! AND I have 4 kids 3 are teenagers that tell me EVERYTHING that goes on facebook and show me these comments from players. I actually never new there was such a thing as “facebook stalking” until tonight from you. I had to actually ask one of my kids if there was such a thing.
My question is why do YOU know so much about facebook stalking and keep asking. I have 3 teenagers!!
Jimmy I do believe that renegades10 comment is an unacceptable accusation why is HIS comment not removed.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:14 am
AND yes I am new to blogging here but NOT new to reading blogs on East Bay Preps. I guess I finally grew tired of reading all the crap the DLS boys club bloggers put on this site.
So much of it not true.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:04 am
Ballin,
I would have never addressed your post, however, you chose to come on this blog with these vile allegations of DLS players on the juice. You are right, I roll with DLS and will hold my ground in telling you that making unfounded allegations against kids who you know nothing about is just plain wrong. I am sure you would stick up for your 3 teenager’s program if I came on this blog and attacked it with a bunch of foolish statements. By the way, you never did answer the question regarding other successful programs in Nor Cal, they on the juice too Ballin?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:11 am
No ONLY DLS!
I might not know much about DLS players but my kids do and what they read is incredible!
December 31st, 2010 at 1:40 am
Ballin, I will no longer engage you in this topic, it sounds as if you and your kids figured out the DLS’s formula (pardon me, chemical formula) for success. Sad! Good football to you Ballin.
December 31st, 2010 at 9:01 am
“your language is offensive” – The Hangover
lol.
Ben and Jim do a fine job, happy new year to all, even to the haters.
December 31st, 2010 at 9:30 am
Yup you got that right… DLS has a strong chemical formula it works… LOL
Happy New Year!
December 31st, 2010 at 9:53 am
Cheers Ballin Great Job!
December 31st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
S1lvergreen and Renegades 10- You both add a touch of common sense and class to these proceedings. Anyone can be provoked into saying something in their defense that they wouldn’t normally say, so I won’t let the “cyber stalking” charge against Ballin lower my opinon of you guys. Happy New Year to you both.
Ballin- You’re certainly welcome to express yourself on this blog. If you could just tone down your rhetoric a bit, you would get a better reception and a more palatable exchange of opinions. Happy New Year to you, too.
While I’m at it, Happy New Year to Jimmy and Ben, SclAlum, Paydirt and PERKIN, and everyone else who contributes to this blog. It was a great year of high school football, wasn’t it?
December 31st, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Bulldog,
Thanks, same to you and your family. I am sure that we’ll all find something to disagree on later this year, certainly when football rolls back in August. It’s what makes it interesting! Take care and safe holiday!
December 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Well there you go, I guess it’s better that your kids are doing it. I am well aware of how facebook works, and get that all comments are public unless the person sets their profile to private. I personally don’t go look at someone’s profile if I don’t know them. I had figured you were a kid, but guess you aren’t. It is sad that you are leveling accusations about this, but why don’t you take this “proof” to the Section office? I’m sure they would love to hear about it. Then you would get your wish and DLS would be in huge trouble. My guess, you are one of the many posters who will come on here at the end of the season, make up a bunch of crap about DLS, and then come next football season you will be gone. FYI Silver and I both enjoy talking to the many regular posters on here who went to a different schools or support different schools. We don’t appreciate posters who level unfounded accusations on our school or any school for that matter.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Bulldog, great comments. I will say though that when a person claims to be getting this info off of someone’s facebook that they don’t know at all, they open themselves up to that “charge” imo.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Thats right DLS players talk about it on facebook and my kids show me. What is wrong with that?
Renegades10 your obsession with Facebook Stalking and why you keep bringing it up leaves me to worry, seriously
Bulldogforever – Respect your comment thanks!
December 31st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Honestly renegades, it doesn’t take much stalking to get info of facebook. Especially if the info comes from his son as Ballin says. I don’t know if you’re familiar with facebook, but the whole point of it is to see what goes on with everyone else. Your home page is a newsfeed full of other people’s personal lives.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Renegades10 – My gosh give up the Stalking talk with Ballin and facebook
Iker is correct facebook is a place where you see every bodies business
Ballin has made it clear his kids have showed him things on facebook
Give it a rest
December 31st, 2010 at 4:08 pm
My daughter has on her facebook that she will be J Biebers wife in the future but does that mean it’s true. I supposed that the head coaches for Serra/CAL/Pitt would know what DLS does that is legal or illegal to succeed the way they do, since the are DLS alums. Two of them coach at public schools, so maybe someone should send them an e-mail asking about it. Open boundries yes but the leave the rest to hard facts when throwing student atheletes under the bus.
Thanks
December 31st, 2010 at 5:03 pm
That’s an absolutely terrible comparison bambam
December 31st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
It’s been a great year of football in the East Bay. Jimmy & Ben, thanks for all the hard work you guys put in, and Happy New Year to you and all the posters.
December 31st, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Ballin – see your passion
Happy New Year!
January 1st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Last thing I’ll say about facebook. Iker, your newsfeed shows info on your facebook friends. From the sound of it, Ballin and his kids are not friends with any of the DLS players on facebook. That means that they are plugging in a DLS player’s name and searching it. Are they looking at Monte Vista, Cal Hi, SRV, Pitt profiles? I guess nobody else outside of DLS fans see it as wrong that a person is throwing student athletes under the bus based on what they say their kids showed them on facebook. But since this is a football board I will address why Ballin has not made one good argument here.
1) He complains about favoritism from the BANG Prep Staff and tries to show it by using the all North Coast Section team comprised by Section Sports (a rivals affiliate) which includes areas beyond the East Bay. Upon this I told him that the section sports staff is based in Southern California, but he continues to say they see more East Bay games which is false. I inform him that we have a NorCal rivals affiliate that sees way more East Bay games. No response to that.
2) He agrees with a comment alleging steroid use by DLS, but his argument falls apart on several levels.
a) When I ask him why all the DLS players are not huge behemoths he tries to use the fact that cyclists are not big guys despite a history of steroid abusers. But when pointed out that cyclists don’t train to be big he once again doesn’t respond to it.
b) Claims to get this info off of a social networking site where as pointed out, people write a lot of stuff that they aren’t serious about. But since he claims to have the proof and even says that the community knows it, I tell him to give this proof to the section office and ask why it hasn’t been done before. Once again he doesn’t have an answer for that.
So, Ballin when will you be getting over to the section office?
January 1st, 2011 at 1:01 pm
How do you know that his kids aren’t friends with kids from DLS? Lets not jump to conclusions… Besides, checking out other athletes facebook profiles who you’ve played against does not fit under my definition of stalking…
January 1st, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Dude Renegade 10 you are so off base. GIVE IT UP Man
You possibly cannot accuse Ballin of stalking. I agree with gridiron /Iker kids all know each other on facebook there are no secrets
What is said is for all to see. Some Kids are also very irresponsible on facebook posting things whether true or not do you not see the news?
So what if Ballins kids showed him crap that was posted on facebook did you ever think that maybe DLS players were being irresponsible? Dude think about it
January 1st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Renegades, I don’t want to get into the discussion about steroids or who might be taking them, but just what is the section office going to do with some posts that kids made on a facebook page? They have a hard enough time making decisions when players are obviously switching schools for sports pursposes to be getting involved in what kids are posting online. The section office is ineffective at best at any kind of policing or decision making.
And as far as the All NCS team selections, I think it is great that someone (anyone) is making selections. Obviously, for every all star team, the people making the selections have different criteria and have seen different amounts of games. As I know you are up in Idaho most of the year, you are basing your knowledge of the players this year pretty much just by what is posted or available online. Still, I would think you would be able to make some pretty good educated guesses on who has been playing well. The more teams that are selected, the better the chances of any players having good seasons to be recognized, which is a good thing.
There are no right or wrong selections, unless someone is making them with deliberate bias. Whether it is coaches, the media or someone reading the internet making selections, it should be a positive thing for the kids named, and not seen as a negative for those not selected.
January 1st, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Ok guys I have read these post. My son plays D1 football and out of respect for him will not say who. But I would like to comment on some things. By reading all it is clear how passionate people are about their teams, player, son. Bottom line kids are irresponsible on facebook. I am friends with my kids on facebook and yes as a parent I read what my kids say and what their friends say even if I do not know who they are. Am I stalking because I am reading things from others? Absolutely not! It is my responsibility as a parent to make sure my kids are doing the right thing and stay safe.
Second – The reality of life is that there are High School football players who take steroids. I heard plenty from my son when he was in High School it was bad and it happens. So to deny it does not happen is putting blinders on. If a player chooses to post it on a facebook page for all to see well then again pure irresponsible but to attack a parent for stalking because he is reading what his teenage kids shows him is reckless.
January 1st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
D1Football Mom- You are their parent. That is a different situation. Yes high schoolers take steroids, the team at DLS does not.
Prep Fan- That is my point about facebook. But he is claiming that they take them because of what his kids found on facebook. That’s what his entire attack was based on. So if he really feels that it is solid proof that he feels confident enough to put it out there, then why hasn’t he done something with it? Don’t forget he said the whole community knows it.
In regards to your thoughts on the All-NCS team, I agree somewhat, but the fact that he is attacking Jimmy and Ben on favoritism and then using that other list as his reason because he says that they see more East Bay games is wrong for obvious reasons.
Iker- Do you think friends are going to throw each other under the bus?
And by the way, the term “facebook stalking” is a much lighter meaning term than many of you make it out to be. Trust me. It just means reading or looking at profiles of people who you are not friends with or do not know. Not the same as actual stalking.
January 1st, 2011 at 4:48 pm
One more comment on this. In talking with my son about the use of steroids he said you certainly do not have to be the biggest guy on the team to use steroids and it will not make you the biggest guy either (I think this is what Ballin meant in his comments). Every position has seen it and every position has used it. It all depends on the amount they take. He also said some coaches (not all) know about it but look the other way because they want to win. Mr. Renegades10 it is a problem in high school football all over the country and like my son said kids do talk about it.
I Re-read your last comment. It is a known fact kids say things that are true or untrue on facebook. But just because a kid post that he smoked marijuana or drank over the weekend (which I have read) should another parent reading that print it and take it to the police department? No, this would be ridiculous. You are asking Mr. Ballin to report it to the section office based on what was shown to him by his kids? Really ridiculous. Not his Job.
Mr. Ballin said players have talk about it and his kids have shown it to him. Maybe the players in question were being truthful and maybe not. I do respect the fact Mr. Ballin did not mention names, now that would be bad!
January 1st, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Renegades10 – How are you so certain some DLS players do not take steroids? Now you want to claim that all other high school players do and DLS players do not? Are DLS players angelic or something? Are you a coach or part of the section office personally testing these kids or any other kids? If not then how do you really know? Im sure you will answer on pure merit or word of mouth because you are a DLS alum and you know their parents. But how do you really know? Well Mr. Renegades10 I have news for you there are kids who lie and there are parents who don’t even know their kids are doing it. Wake up.
You want to point fingers at Ballin but here you are doing the same thing. I can tell you really do not know much about what you are talking about (facebook and steroids). I do believe the things my son tells me and no high school is spared from the use of steroids.
You sound very angry with why Ballin was very passionate about the NCS list and not Jimmy and Ben’s list. I really respect both but aren’t Jimmy and Ben the writers here? Can’t they defend themselves? Really Mr. Renegade
January 1st, 2011 at 5:21 pm
D1Football Mom- When you name the school, you throw every one of those kids under the bus on that team. And I haven’t seen him say, only a few DLS players are taking it. He has said the team does. You want to say something like that, then you better have it as solid proof. Once again he is alleging that this is common knowledge among the community. If it is that common knowledge you should have some type of proof that the section office could use. That is my school and I take pride in it. So seeing something like that will get me pretty pissed. Same as if it was being said about your kid’s school I would imagine.
In regards to steroids, assuming a kid is following a workout routine for football to add weight and eats and rests well, they will get big. With the workout the DLS players do, they would be huge if they used them. I had several frat brothers use them and I have seen them get to be absolute monsters from pretty skinny bases. Obviously if you take steroids and don’t do anything else then you just end up with major shrinkage. There are enough studies out there to show what they do.
January 1st, 2011 at 5:29 pm
I know, because I know the coaches there and I know what they discipline kids for there. If there was a kid using, they would be kicked off the team. They have suspended All-Americans and their D1 players before for less things. That is how it works there. Nowhere have I said that all other high schoolers use steroids. I was agreeing with your comment that there are high school kids who do use steroids. I am not blind to that.
January 1st, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Mr. Renegade10 sorry to see you are so angry. I have shown your comments on steroids to my son and he is literally laughing. You really do not know how steroids work or what you are talking about. Steroids is not always about Big or Huge or the sure sign you are on them is you are getting mammoth size. Steroids are about pure strength period. So yes a kid can be on steroids and not get to a ridiculous size that is so noticeable. Usually the first place you notice it is in his strength….
My sons high school had the best discipline and great coaches around. But, kids still went behind coaches backs and used steroids. The only way to know for sure if a high school has a good testing regiment but they don’t.
I will not waste my time arguing with you on topics you know nothing about. Yes many of us are passionate about many things including schools, jobs, family but you are having a big problem letting go here.
January 1st, 2011 at 7:48 pm
D1Mom- I’m not angry with you, don’t know where you get that idea from. If a kid gets stronger and they are properly resting and eating, muscles grow. The muscles are forced to adapt to the heavier weight and being pushed beyond what they normally do. This creates small tears in the muscle tissue. They then use the large amounts of protein you are supposed to be eating to help repair these micro tears. Most of this happens while a person is sleeping, at least 8 hours a day. Steroids greatly help in the amount of protein that is synthesized to help repair the muscles and help them get stronger and bigger much faster beyond what non users do. I know not all steroids are specifically designed for being huge, there are some that are meant more for recovery. But most steroid users stack different compounds to aid in getting bigger.
January 1st, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Mr. Renegades10 – Interesting I was just reading a website on why baseball players take steroids. Main thing to hit more home-runs. It also clearly said that steroids do not necessarily make you Big. What it does say, it helps with quick muscle recovery, allows you become faster, stronger, and push beyond barriers. What you are saying is because DLS players are not mammoth sizes there is NO possible way some can be on steroids. This is where you are failing in seeing that steroids are in every sport you could possibly think of including golf. Its a fact of the sports world. But you insist and only see, if taking steroids no matter who you are what size you are you will get lineman size. Not sure when the last time I watched baseball I saw a 6’2″ 290 pound baseball player, and yet this sport has been poisoned with steroid use. Do you not watch the news?
January 1st, 2011 at 9:27 pm
One more thing Mr. Renegades10- You really need to be honest with yourself and not so close minded insisting this could never would never and is not happening with some DLS players. Even with the strict college guidelines and NCAA testing college coaches would never say or think it can’t happen to their teams. It happens and it happens in all levels of football. Are some schools worst than others? absolutely but if you think because DLS coaches will discipline their team heavy is the reason it would never happen at DLS this kind of thinking is simply ridiculous.
Do you not think an NFL player knows what the risk is if he is caught taking steroids? suspension, heavy fines… but yet some do it anyway. How about the NCAA unannounced testing of players? and some still do it. You can’t tell me that DLS discipline is better than some college programs, but yet even the best college coaches have this problem on their teams. So to say it is not the case with DLS players is foolish. Unless this is a supreme angelic team like you would like to claim them to be there is always a possibility even in this past season.
Like my son just told me very easy at the high school level to get away with it. In college harder because of strict NCAA guidelines and testing but with all this guys still manage to take steroids behind coaches backs. He also said guys get big heads about it and like to brag. So maybe this is where Ballin might have read it could be bragging or not true or bragging to look cool whatever it is, its a possibility.
Stay passionate about your school but be a realist too.
January 1st, 2011 at 10:06 pm
To any young men or other athletes reading these post if you are thinking about something as foolish as steroids consider what the severe consequences will be. I challenge you to read articles on it and the dangers of steroids. It is something not to take lightly or play with. The life long damaging side effects can be devastating and worst of all can cause death.
So if this temptation ever comes knocking at your door say NO, not worth it, not worth your life. Be the leader on your team and educate those you know are doing it to stop.
January 1st, 2011 at 11:03 pm
1st and foremost – Thanks to Ben and Jimmy for an excellent year of unbiased East Bay HS football coverage…my SoCal and east coast compadres wish they could get this depth of coverage and real time interaction.
2nd – Congrats to DLS, the best private school football team in the state 20 years and running, and to CAL, the best public school football team in the state in 2010 (imho).
3rd – To all the posters (poseurs) making claims about teams without provable facts, or hiding behind their children (their idea of an appeal to ‘authority’ about facebook, huh?), get a clue and act like an adult. Don’t let your emotions replace logic or you will have no/nil/nada/zero credibility on The East Bay Prep Corner.
See you on the HS football posts next year, but keep it real and avoid the unproven claims and outright lies. You know who you are and refuting this will only confirm your identity. Blah, blah, blah…
January 1st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
I don’t think Renegades was saying that no one at DLS has ever taken steroids. Just that it is not something that the team encourages or does as a team. I’m sure that there have been kids on steroids at most every high school in the area, considering how prevelant they have been over the last 25 years. Even if DLS or any other team directly forbids players to use steroids, that doesn’t mean there aren’t a few kids doing it on the side, just as there might be kids drinking or smoking pot.
My point with the all star teams is that each one is chosen from different parameters and viewpoints. Ben went to every DLS game this season, so he is keenly aware of every DLS player that contributes. But he might not be as keenly aware of players on other teams that he only sees once a year. Thus, he has a different slant on his selections. I’m not saying he is biased, but just that he is much more familiar with that team than just about any other journalist or coach. I respect Ben’s opinions and selections, but that doesn’t mean that someone else making selections doesn’t have legitimate reasons for making them. Even someone who reads a lot on the internet but doesn’t go to many games. I would hope that anyone making such selections at least tries to do their homework first.
I liken all star selections to the various polls who come up with the top 10, 25, or 100 High School teams in the nation. A couple have DLS as the #1 team in the nation, and others have other teams slotted in as #1. If there was only 1 list, then only 1 team would be honored as the top team, but with many polls picked by different means, there are many teams that get honored either as the top team or in the top 10, 25 or 100. There really is no right or wrong answer and the more polls that are made, the better the chances that top teams get recognized for their hard work and successes.
January 1st, 2011 at 11:22 pm
unbiased? haha good 1.
January 1st, 2011 at 11:24 pm
D1Mom- Maybe you missed what I said earlier about why cyclists who use steroids aren’t big. The same holds true for any other sport. It’s based on the training you do for that sport. Most football weight training programs, especially in high school are not limited to strength, speed, and explosiveness. Especially on varsity, the goal is to get bigger to put on more muscle, which happens naturally as you get stronger and put up more weight. Of course a baseball player isn’t going to train to be 290 pounds. It would limit their abilities if they were too bulky. But look at players like Bonds and McGwire. Especially Bonds from the time he first came into the league to the year he hit 73 homers in a season. Do you notice how big he was? When he stepped to the plate he looked like an absolute monster up there. And then look at the post-Balco investigation Bonds and how much smaller he was. It comes down to the type of training you do. Football is one of those sports where size matters along with strength once you get to the upper levels of college and the pros. That is dictated by the type of sport-specific training.
I agree that all players and teenagers need to stay away from these drugs though.
January 1st, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Mr. Prep Fan – Completely agree thanks
January 1st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Mr. Renegades10 – Like I said stay passionate about your team but just know all teams are not perfect.
Have a Happy New Year
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:09 am
Prep fan, good points..
Paydirt,I think your 3rd point summed it up best- well said!
3rd – To all the posters (poseurs) making claims about teams without provable facts, or hiding behind their children (their idea of an appeal to ‘authority’ about facebook, huh?), get a clue and act like an adult. Don’t let your emotions replace logic or you will have no/nil/nada/zero credibility on The East Bay Prep Corner
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Renegades10 – You are clueless keep diggin man holes getting deeper ladies got you beat
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:04 am
Section office from Facebook seriously renegades10
Dude give it up
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 am
Well made point Prep let me repeat it
“Ben went to every DLS game this season, so he is keenly aware of every DLS player that contributes. But he might not be as keenly aware of players on other teams that he only sees once a year”
Ben/ Jimmy 11 DLS players – Duh
blah blah blah
A joke
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 am
NCS Fan- you are missing the point. You want to throw kids under the bus, then use some real proof, don’t claim it’s from facebook. But if he feels confident enough about it to do so on here, than why hasn’t he done something with it. Don’t put crap like that out there without any proof. These are high school kids. You are the clueless one.
Ballin- The entire staff makes those teams, just like voting on the East Bay Poll. I believe it is 7 or 8 writers.
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Clueless- keep diggin
January 2nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Negative energy R10 leaves me to wonder
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
It seems poor form to call this all-star team a joke, and then throw support behind that Rivals one. Getting so mad about the number of players from a team? Somehow 8-5 D-4 Healdsburg rolling out two all-section players, but Cardinal Newman and Rancho had zero? Seems like more of an oversight than ELEVEN DLS PLAYERS.
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
I am just curious what would you consider as real proof? I understand that facebook is not the most reliable but what could someone bring to this forum that would be accepted.
For instance if someone said their son saw Player A taking steriods it still would not be good enough for the section office.
We also don’t drug test high school athletes so that could never be used as proof.
As fans the only thing we have to go off of is rumors and repuatation.
January 2nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm
They do not test at the high school level, asking for proof?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
there is no credible evidence hat show that any HS kids are juic’n but based upon the comments in this blog it is very evident hat many people who argue about mundane things like this are idiots
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Bigeasy- Real proof is hard credible evidence, not facebook. Don’t you remember how upset you were about the reporting of an incident that occurred after the DLS-MV game. And I kept on saying that it would be nice to have all the facts before we start throwing a certain MV player under the bus, even as a DLS fan. This is the same kind of deal. You didn’t want that put up on the blog just like I don’t want the steroids issue put up on the blog.
I’m curious how many of these “new” posters are the same person. I know this talk came up in relation to a certain DLS poster(s). I’m beginning to think that may not be an isolated incident because of this thread.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Dude “new” posters same person?
Hole is deep man keep drinking the koolade
Wah Wah Wah
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Reaching
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 am
Reaching on what exactly, the idea that some of these posters are actually the same person? I don’t think it’s that farfetched given how all of a sudden some posters show up out of nowhere just to agree with one poster and put down any others while never offering any insight at all such as you two (or one).
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 am
Renegades, chill buddy. You have alot of credibility on this blog and the last thing we need is for you to lose your cool over some guy who’s upset he wasn’t first team when he was playing. Were there DLS players on the juice? Maybe. Could you also make the argument that in order for kids at competing schools to dethrone DLS, they might feel it necessary to personally take steroids? Absolutely. But is it condoned by either the DLS coaches or any other high school football coach, for that matter? I sure as hell hope not. Things happen that coaches don’t know about, just as Prep Fan stated. What are you gonna do about it? I’ll tell you what. You help them be the best person they could be, day in and day out, and then … LET THEM DECIDE. The Truth hit the nail on the head: “there is no credible evidence hat show that any HS kids are juic’n but based upon the comments in this blog it is very evident hat many people who argue about mundane things like this are idiots”
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am
Renegades you’ve been on these blogs longer then everyone else on here. I trust you
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
New poster here left comment Mighty McGovern
Curious new posters not allowed on corner? judged multiples? opinions?
FYI no testing in high schools
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
New posters and opinions are welcome. Multiple posters under different screen names just to try to stir things up is tiresome.
Not only is there no testing in HS, there is testing in MLB and someone like Bonds still has not been “proven” to have knowingly taken them. Sure, the Mitchell report has him testing postive, but the grand jury is still running around trying to prove he knew. No one is going to be able to “prove” that anyone is taking steroids in HS, but as been posted previously, let’s hope that coaches and parents are discouraging this type of behavior to keep it to a minimum.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Got it thx!
on about Barry, innocent til proven guilty
R heed the advice chill
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Congrats to WHS DB/RB/WR Giles Chapman in playing a key role in the NUC Gridiron classic all-star game in South Carolina this past Fri. Giles started at CB and locked down some of the nations top prospects. Replays can be seen on FCSN all week.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Who is Giles Chapman from WHS? I’ve never heard of the guy and what all-star game is that?
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:54 pm
What players are expected to sign scholarships this coming feb?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
I wonder why they have Giles listed as from Monte Vista?
http://nucfootball.blogspot.com/2010/01/potential-top-prospectgiles-chapman.html
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Giles played at Monte Vista as a sophomore, so I guess they haven’t updated. He then played at Castro Valley as a junior and Washington as a senior this year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Mandown, good question, hopefully we’ll see some of our Bay Area Boys get some rides…
I am hoping Antoinne Pickett (S Safety at DLS) will commit and sign with someone…I know he has an offer from N Colorado and SJ State was heavily interested in him. Jimmy or Ben,
do you guys happen to know if Freddy at Salesians has any solid offers? Also, Rosales at Berkeley High was being sought by UNLV? Hope to see some commits and signature soon!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Freddy has about a billion offers. Stanford seems to be the clubhouse favorite currently, but that could change if Harbaugh leaves. Stanford and Cal were among the schools that offered before he ever played a down of varsity ball. He’s got no rush to commit only being a junior.
Ben should know more about Rosales because he had Berkeley on his lists of Cream of the Crop schools. Mack’s Marcus Peters has about a dozen offers and will be going somewhere.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Jimmy,
Thanks! that’s great to hear on Freddy, Stanford stock has certainly risen within the last hour! It’s nice to see Peters getting some offers..all three kids are ballers! I am sure they’ll end up in great schools!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Good point Renegades. I understand your anger considering the accusations of it being community knowledge. At this point I just assume that there are kids on every single high school team that juice. Calling out a team for juiceing together is rather absurd and also, becuase it is impossiable to prove anything calling out a kid individually is rude and unneeded.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Proof? You want proof about steroids abuse and cheating?
WOW, posters claiming that it has NOT been proved that Barry Bonds juiced are miss-informed and are proliferating the lie that you can get away with steroids use because “Barry is innocent.” HUH?
Facts: It has been proven that Barry Bonds juiced, as he has admitted under testimony to using the clear and the cream under grand jury testimony. Bonds denies knowledge that the substances were illegal steroids: ignorance is bliss but not a valid defense. The grand jury testimony admission by Bonds was “leaked” and the 9th circuit court has ruled that this “leaked” evidence as well as other evidence (urine) is not admissible to the court in Bonds’ perjury case (lying to the court). While the court may rightfully ignore the facts and exclude evidence in the perjury case, it has been proved that Bonds juiced, by his own “ignorant” admission. Just another cheater.
Stop denying the truth about Bonds. You demonstrate your own ignorance and encourage more steroids abuse.
“Keep it clean players!”
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
My son is friends with many of the athletes from multiple EBAL schools and I asked him about the drugs listed on there Facebook pages. Granada, Monte Vista and SRV kids brag about their parties and the illegal substances that they have at these parties on facebook. Now that that is stated on this site, how does everyone feel about their programs associated with these claims. Truth or not, It’s here say and now you have to defend 7 days on why this never happened. Not!!! right!!! I hope we all agree as that is what happens by posting irresponsible things on this site about student athletes that have no names or validations associated with it. The moderators shouldn’t have even allowed that info to be posted as the way it was written and thrown out there.
I agree with Renegades as some of these post are most likely the same person using different names.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
“Giles played at Monte Vista as a sophomore, so I guess they haven’t updated. He then played at Castro Valley as a junior and Washington as a senior this year.”
No wonder it is hard to keep track of him. Has he always been eligible with all those moves?
January 4th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I just watched Giles Chapman’s highlight tape on youtube and I wasn’t very impressed. He is a good player but all-star, no. Not only is he small but he isnt that great of an athlete. He has highlights from his days at Castro Valley and Washington seen them both and he looks very average to be an all-star but maybe they see somthing that I don’t. @Prep Fan that is a great question, How did Giles attened 3 differnt high schools in three years without missing any playing time?
January 4th, 2011 at 11:20 am
There must have been valid changes of residency each time for him to be eligible at each of the three schools.
January 4th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
A valid change of residency, after his freshman year, would only get Giles into the school. He would NOT be eligible to also play sports at the new school until after the NCS did an investigation and gave their approval. Transferring schools after the freshman year, for the purpose of playing sports on a different team, is strictly forbidden by the NCS. It is very difficult, for a transferred public school student (10th-12th grades), to get approved by the NCS to play sports at their new high school.
I guess that it’s possible that his entire family moved twice in those two years (junior and senior), without any regards to the sports programs of his new high schools. If the NCS was notified of the moves, and therefore actually did the required investigations, I would trust them to come to the right decisions, as they are very thorough, and are far more inclined to deny sports eligibility than to approve it. But to get sports eligibility approved for two moves, let alone one, would be very difficult to do.
Regardless, I congratulate young Chapman for his performance at the NUC Gridiron game, and I hope that he can receive a full-ride somewhere.
January 4th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Bulldogforever, I see what you’re saying. This situation is very strange because I have never heard of someone going to three different high schools in three years and still being able to play without sitting out varsity sports.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Don’t tell me he was also at DLS for his freshman year.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
He went to Eastside Prep in East Palo Alto as a freshman actually. Played varsity basketball there. Averaged 12.2 points and 7.7 assists.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
ManDown, I have not heard of this happening in the NCS. A basketball player in Oakland recently left the state and played for a team briefly, only to return to Oakland and play for a different high school with no waiting. This may have been a hardship case and the NCS waived the waiting period. At one time, if you did not play varsity in that sport the prior year then you may not have to wait, and if you change varsity sports after transferring (say from varsity basketball to varsity volleyball) you may not have to wait. The rules have changed or been refined several times during the past 5 years, including section alignment with CIF rules. SoCal, until recently, was a whole different story.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Well I guess that make 4 different high schools in 4 years. Lol! That is insane that a parent would move 4 times in 4 years. It doesn’t make any since. I wonder how they got that around NCS.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
I was just kidding and didn’t expect him to have attended a 4th school, but that is excellent knowledge there Jimmy. Down to the tenth of a point averages. If I were a college coach, I would be weary of someone like this jumping ship to another program, but he may have some good reasons for the transfers he can share with prospective coaches. He must be a pretty good player as he made 3rd team All East Bay at DB and has evidently done very well at some camps. Good luck to this young man.
Paydirt, you are correct. I know Mikayla Lyles (now at UC Berkeley) transferred from Amador Valley to Bishop O’Dowd 2 years ago and had to sit out her junior year of basketball, but was able to play soccer that year as she had not played that sport at AV.
January 4th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Giles is a good kid but was 4th on the depth chart at MV. He didn’t want to play JV ball so sat behind alot of people on the Varsity then when they brought up JV team for playoffs he fell behind those guys as well. He moved after that.
January 4th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
The stats were from MaxPreps, so not sure how accurate they are. Oddly, he’s the only player with his stats listed for that season for Eastside Prep.
January 5th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Great Segment on The Today Show called “Are your Teens Oversharing Online”
It talks about how teens are oversharing too much on Facebook and how it is hurting them in College Recruitment, job offers. Moms looking for reliable and trusting babysitters check out who those potential babysitters are hanging with. Kids are losing scholarships because of the things they are posting and talking about on facebook. It mentions how things are not private even on a private setting forever left on the internet. The main point is anyone can see what is being said (including photos) on facebook and in many cases parents or other adults have no idea what these teens are doing. Very helpful for parents.
See for yourself
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041445/vp/40924158/#40924158
January 10th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Hey Jimmy did you get those final East-bay Stats?
January 10th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Oooh, thanks for the reminder Thedude. I haven’t yet, but I should hopefully have some time tomorrow and I’ll try to get them up.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Hey Jimmy any luck yet with those final east-bay stats?
January 17th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I posted them here last week.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner/2011/01/11/2010-east-bay-football-leaders/
October 17th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
stop drop well its time for cal to drop castro valley and washington play someone from wcal or a palo alto same goes for monte vista why arent they playing serra anymore?