- East Bay Prep Corner
Bird ineligible, Salesian forfeits 16 games
By Phil Jensen
Friday, January 21st, 2011 at 10:38 pm in Basketball, East Bay Prep Sports.
The Salesian High boys basketball team is forfeiting its first 16 wins this season because leading scorer Jabari Bird is ineligible, athletic director Chad Nightingale said Friday afternoon.
Bird — a sophomore ranked 26th in the 2013 recruiting class according to ESPN Rise — transferred last summer from Benicia to Salesian, the top-ranked team in the Bay Area News Group-East Bay poll.
Bird declined to comment Friday. He was averaging 16.9 points per game.
The main reason for Bird’s ineligibility is California Interscholastic Federation Bylaw 510, which stipulates that a student-athlete who transfers has to disclose pre-enrollment contact with anyone associated with that school’s athletic department.
Nightingale said that this summer, Bird joined an AAU team (the Oakland Soldiers) that had a Salesian player. Nightingale declined to name the player. Since Bird enrolled at Salesian on Aug. 18 and the CIF form 207/209/510 that was signed indicated there was no pre-enrollment contact, that’s considered an infraction because pre-enrollment contact includes playing on the same AAU team as another person, Nightingale said.
“That is regardless of whether they even talk about the high school,” Nightingale said. “At no time did (Bird and the player) talk about Salesian athletics (while on the Soldiers) according to the students.
“(Bird’s) dad works close to the school and wanted a private education. He never even spoke to me or any of the coaches (before the transfer). He spoke to our admissions director. He did everything right, but (didn’t) check the right box.”
North Coast Section commissioner Gil Lemmon confirmed that he rescinded the eligibility of Bird on Friday, something that requires the 16 forfeits. Lemmon also said that CIF Bylaw 510 was the main reason for the ineligibility. He had no further comment.
Nightingale said Lemmon e-mailed him Tuesday with concern about an article in the Vallejo Times-Herald on Tuesday that dealt with Bird’s transfer. Nightingale said there was concern by Lemmon over a quote by the Pride’s Freddie Tagaloa that stated, “I told him if he’s looking to play a little, he should cross that bridge and come to Salesian.”
“I have no recollection (of saying that),” Tagaloa said Friday. “I mentioned that education is better across the bridge, so the bridge part was in there.”
Jose San Mateo, the Times-Herald reporter who wrote the story, said Friday that he stands by that quote.
Nightingale said he also received an e-mail Wednesday from Lemmon asking questions about the transfer. Nightingale then conducted an investigation and found that one of the Salesian players had played with Bird on the same AAU team.
“There is something called an administrator’s checklist (for a transfer), you go through a battery of 19 questions,” said Nightingale, who added Salesian plans to appeal the decision. “The idea is, I went through everything and there’s nothing there … I would never in a million years think to ask ‘Did you ever play on a summer team with one of our kids?’ It never crossed my mind.
“The North Coast Section and Gil Lemmon have done their job.”
Salesian (1-17, 1-5 Bay Shore Athletic League after the Pride’s 74-37 win Friday night over Piedmont) still has a chance to reach postseason. If the Pride posts a winning record in the BSAL or wins the league tournament, it can qualify for the NCS playoffs.
“A lot of guys don’t really understand what’s going on and why they’re choosing to come down on him and not other cases,” Salesian coach Bill Mellis said about the team’s reaction. “It’s an interesting case because (Bird’s family) did everything they were supposed to do. The paperwork is kind of misleading a little bit. I think they answered their questions honestly, and we just have to go back and figure things out with an appeal and go from there.”
Staff writer Jimmy Durkin contributed to this report.
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January 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
woah? what in the world? could it get any weirder than this? can the times-herald reporter prove his quote (voice recorder)?
January 21st, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Wow!
January 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am
This is UNREAL!! i can name two or three schools that over 90% of there roster is from out of the district and the kids don’t even live near there respective school and Gil Lemon is going to punish the kids and the kid for this little technical issue what a joke Someone please inform him what is going on these days and fire him
January 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 am
Did the vallejo times herald reporter set the kid up?
January 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am
This is a sham! Somebody is seriously hating on Salesian for their awesome record.
January 22nd, 2011 at 1:44 am
WOW! That’s crazy!
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 am
Just when Salesian got the #1 ranking? Sounds like jealousy! That’s the best 1-17 squad in basketball history
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am
The NCS and CIF should do all their investigations, BEFORE the season started. If the kid was found eligible at the begining of the season, then let him play.
How fair is it to the rest of the players on the team? The NCS and CIF knew this was a high profile player and should not have let him play until ALL questions confirmed. But I guess it never realy is about the kids, is it?
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:06 am
This is why 16 an 17 year old kids should not be talking to the press for an investigative article. The writer should be ashamed of himself!
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am
Salesian is a major recruiter of talent. Football & Basketball. Bout time they got caught.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 am
While I agree that 16 or 17 year olds should not be talking to the press for an investigative article, I don’t think (at least I hope not) the writer knew that quote would be used to disqualify Bird or cause Tagaloa’s team to forfeit 16 games. However, if the intent of that article was to shine light on the questionableness of the transfer, then they should not have been shopping for quotes from 16 year old kids to zing them. I guess if I saw the entire article, I would have a better idea of the intent of it.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 am
@ Perkin Salesian recruits football? Really? Name one player!
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am
Javid Best. Mom still stays in the same apartment right behing St. Pats.
January 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
The story wasn’t an investigative article looking into the transfers. It was simply a feature on three Salesian baskeball players who happen to be from Vallejo. The writer had no idea it would stir up any controversy, but obviously it has. Here’s the link to the full story.
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_17125187?source=most_emailed
January 22nd, 2011 at 1:44 pm
I agree with comment #8. If there was a problem it should have been resolved before the season started. I do not think a player should be ruled ineligible if he talks to another teenager about attending a school. This conversation takes place all the time across the nation. I will be shocked if this decision is not reversed.
The timing of this decision puts a real damper on the season. As a former high school coach who still enjoys watching high school basketball, it is unfortunate that these types of decisions are being made in this way.
I do not know when the NCS/CIF rules have been updated. Have they been updated in the past ten years to account for the role of AAU in high school basketball? If anyone knows please share.
January 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
It is not the section’s responsibility to investigate whether the paperwork is filed correctly or not. All of this information is self reported by the player and the school. If the paperwork is in order the player is ruled eligible and obviously this happened originally based upon what Salesian sent to the section. The forms are not confusing and it actually states on the form (you can look them up on NCS website) “…if the player has played on an AAU team with current players, coached by a school coach, or parents of current players…etc”. You don’t have to think about asking the question, the section asks it for you! Had they sent in the true information Bird would have been ruled ineligible after initial review by the section and the appeal would have been complete before the season started. Bird is not currently being ruled ineligible because of some “illegal activity”, he is simply ineligible pending appeal because the paperwork was either purposely or mistakenly sent in wrong. All AD’s are very aware of this and there are many memos sent out on the subject by the Section. Just do the paperwork correct the first time! Then appeal and have your hearing and this would not have happened. If they indeed just checked the wrong box as the AD states then is he saying they meant to check the “Yes” box instead of the “No” box, when it asks if there is any prior contact with current players? If so then they would have known that there was going to have to be an appeal even before the paperwork was sent in. So they must have been surprised when he was deemed eligible without any question the first time it was sent in. Now they have got themselves in a situation of having to answer both questions, about the prior contact, and why didn’t you just disclose it the first time? He may end up being ruled eligible but this should have been avoided and shame on the AD for not doing his job properly. Now that the section has knowledge that the paperwork was incorrect they must act. Hopefully others will learn to not try to circumvent the system. Just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. If you truly did nothing wrong then the section will allow the transfer.
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Something fishy is definitely going on at Salesian and has been the last few years during the Pride’s rise to Bay Area sports juggernaut.. In addition to Bird, last year Jabari Brown (different kid) the Pride’s leading scorer on their ’09 state championship team transferred to Findlay Prep HS in Nevada (a basketball factory who constantly has the best team in the country) — only to transfer back to Oakland High after a year.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/prepcorner/2009/06/12/salesians-jabari-brown-transfers-to-findlay-prep/
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/06/findlay-prep-guard-leaves-team-returns-native-cali/
Kendall Andrews another star on their state championship team transferred to Newark Memorial and played in a state title game with them a season after winning the crown with the Salesian. I remember a few years back Demarcus Nelson who at the time was the state player of the year tried to transfer to St. Mary’s, another catholic school in the league after they won a D5 state title, but was denied due to academic/moral concerns — it was clear that he was just going there to play basketball just like Bird, Brown, Andrews and all other mercenaries Salesian basketball is now using to build their program around. They have no loyalty or commitment to Salesian High School, merely blatantly there to play basketball.
http://www.sportstarsmag.com/highlight/2010-11-boys-hoops-salesian-reloads-once-again
It seems as if Salesian has dropped all academic morals and standards to become a athletic powerhouse. They have the facilities/funding/transfer advantage of a catholic school – while now apparently having the academic/moral concern (or lack there of) of a public school.. No wonder they are now unstoppable in football and basketball.. How can the “Pride” really take Pride in kids who have no commitment to their HS but clearly using it as their 2nd or 3rd HS basketball stepping stone.. SAD
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm
There are players on AAU teams from a variety of schools. Is a player who is considering a transfer to a different school forbidden to play AAU ball with players who are already at the new school? Is that the intent of the question on the transfer form?
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
What gets me the most about the rule is this, even if one kid tells another “come to my school”ultimately that kid has no power to go anywhere unless parents give the ok. It takes alot of effort to transfer schools too play sports and Gil Lemon spears to be making it even harder. Why have the freshman transfer rule and then have so many stipulations around it? I dunno while I don’t think there should be a free for all with transfers, it also shouldn’t be this difficult.
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@gdog Had he been ruled ineligible early on that appeal hearing may have just happened. Just sends to be how the NCS does things.
January 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Basketball has unfortunately become a “mercenary for hire” sport across the country. One only has to take a look at many of the prep schools and academies back East to see it. Look at this whole Josiah Turner deal. He will play what is left of one semester in his high school career at a school called Quality Education Academy in North Carolina. I am not making that up. It’s one of those schools were the team consistently plays outside the state. SoCal has definitely had their fair share of questionable transfers too with guys spending high school at 3 and sometimes 4 different schools. And the fact that coaches cater to these kids and their whims is showing once they get to the college level. Look at Gary Franklin and Bryce Jones recently. Freshmen who are complaining about a lack of playing time or playing at a certain position. Huh? When I was a freshman you earned the time you got, you didn’t expect it. As the AAU programs have become a business, it will continue to rub off on the high school game as well.
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
E_Club,
You seem like you want blame the section for this. Perfect, don’t hold the school administration or coach accountable. I’m not even blaming the kid or parents, they don’t understand the process! We have a set of facts now, no need to talk about hypothetical and could or might have. In fact there is a specific amount of time you have to appeal. The section will respond in a timely manner when it is done properly. Bird is not ineligible for playing on the same team as another player. That would be ridiculous. It is however cause for further investigation and should have been disclosed. After the pending appeal and further investigation Lemmon could grant him eligibility and even give them back the wins if he chooses. Not a difficult process when you tell the truth. It will just be more difficult now than if they had done it correctly the first time. That is the AD’s responsibility and one of the reason he has a job, to make sure it gets done properly!
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Gdog,
I read the NCS transfer form that you mentioned in an earlier post. The form ask questions about coaches, boosters and “associations”. I did not see a question about players as it relates to the AAU. What would be the point of the player, his parents, coach or AD to lie about playing with a player at Salesian. I do not think that was the intent at all. Take a look at the form and see if there is a section that explicitly relates to players.
January 22nd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Agreed. Salesian’s administration and coaching staff should be completely at fault. I’ve followed their program for years. Clearly something suspicious is going on at their school when all of a sudden great basketball players are transferring in and out of their school — ‘coincidentally’ to other schools with great basketball teams. They choose to bury their heads in the sand while players and their parents pass though their school using “academic and personal reasons” as their excuse why they have to transfer a school with a championship basketball team. The rules are not perfect but they are in place to help create an even playing field and prevent schools from creating Dream Teams. Not only is Salesian cheating other schools who have stricter transfer and moral standards; they are cheating their own students out of the experience of playing competitive sports because some 6’7 blue chipper will get recruited, take that spot, then transfer. $alesian has become the U$C of the CIF. Their administration should be ashamed.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
When is Lemmon going to investigate DLS? Too much money and politics there. It is all a joke. Salesian is just doing what others both public and private have been doing for years. Go and read the NCS transfer nonsense. Better yet, have your lawyer explain it to you. In AAU, I have witnessed 10 yr old girls talking about going to specific private schools so they could play together. Is that a violation? Or suppose Jane who is a Sophmore at private school X talks to her friend at church, who is a star in 8th grade CYO, and tells her to come and play BB at private school X when her high school would be public school Y. This conversation was overheard (of course by God as it was in church) and a coach at public school Y. Coach at public school Y calls Lemmon and files complaint. 8th grade star attends private school X and plays BB on varsity as a Freshman. What now? Is talking in church the same violation as talking on an AAU team? How about the Safeway parking lot? Obviously, freedom of speech is strictly banned somewhere in the NCS rules. Time for some good lawyers to take NCS to court and put an end to this nonsense. Where is Robert Shapiro when you need him?
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Look at the Pre-Enrollment Undue Influence Guide for School Personnel. It actually on page 4 gives the exact example that we have here. Now the parents may not have even read this but the AD should have. Per the rule the paperwork was submitted incorrectly that is all I was stating as people were coming in saying that there was some type of injustice here. I agree, the AD let the kid down. If it was indeed just an oversight then I am sure he will be reinstated once they present their case to the section. He can still practice he just can play in a game until he is cleared.
Now if you want to debate the application of the rules that is another debate and that has merit. But at some point the section has to enforce the rules they created. Whether another section follows the rules is out of their control. If other situations are more blatant that may be the case but that doesn’t excuse them just because someone else did something. They just had the rules enforced on them that is all.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Look at the parent/student pdf. I would be confused.
If it’s less than half the team is from the school
I wouldn’t check the box after reading this section.
Page 11.
A transfer of a student from his or her current school of attendance with or without a corresponding
change of residence to any high school where the student participates or participated, during the
previous 24 months, on a non-school athletic team, (i.e.AAU,American Legion, club team, etc.) that is
associated with the new school in the sports previously participated in shall be considered prima facie
evidence (“sufficient evidence”) of undue influence/recruiting by the school to which the student
transfers. Such transfer may be considered prima facie evidence (“sufficient evidence”) that the student
enrolled in that school in whole or in part for athletic reasons. A team associated with the school is one
that is organized by and/or coached by any member of the coaching staff at, or any other person
associated** with, that school and/or on which the majority of themembers of the team(Participants in
practice and/or competition) are students who attend that school
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
CIF rules states it vary clearly…..No player can transfer to a school if he or she played any AAU contest the previous summer with players of the new school.My version of the rule may need better clarication, but…! I do agree with this. Honestly a “Top Ranked Team” all of a sudden stumbles across a good player for academics…! I could be wrong…hope so. Sorry coach’s and admin of Salesian, you failed…now the rest suffer…big time.I hope it all works out for the player involved, but most of all.., the Salesian Basketball team, parents and student body. Good Luck!
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 pm
In regards to all of the people above who are whining and claiming that Salesian RECRUITS players for sports, YOU MAKE ME SICK. I was a starting defensive player this year for the championship football team, and you are going to tell me, a kid who never played football before high school along with many other starters, that our coach who is also the AD recruits? That’s bs. None of you who say all that garbage think about everything else that goes into making a championship team. Our coach is one of the most intelligent men I have met in my whole life. He went to CAL and also played football there, which may suggest he is a well rounded and smart man. Nighty puts in so much time and effort just to study other teams, their tendencies, and hours of film DAILY during football season just so we may be successful. He gives us film and we actually study it unlike many other players/teams in our division. Nighty knows exactly what he’s talking about when it comes to football, and we practiced for a MINIMUM of two and a half hours a day, along with countless hours in the weightroom. I’m not going to sit here and just watch our school be degraded like this after being through so many hellish and intense practices with my fellow NON RECRUITED teammates, and I speak for the basketball team as well. Just because our sports program has been on the rise over the past many years doesn’t mean we recruit players. In fact freddie Tagaloa, one of the most highly recruited juniors in the nation for football, wasn’t even going to play football when he arrived at Salesian. Me and my friends had to beg him to play, and he finally came out, and has now received offers from basically every PAC-10 school and more. Another example is our star RB Aaron prier, who didn’t even play football freshman year, but decided to come out sophomore year and try it out on jv. Aaron wasn’t even a starter until his junior year, when he grew very strong at the RB position. All the people that doubt our program need to realize that we DO NOT RECRUIT, it’s just called HARD WORK, which we put in more than our opponents, and I speak for the basketball team also.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:31 am
There is a mole somewhere because the same stitution has happened to Rodriguez HS and a sophmore player who transfered in that played with Bird last year @ Benicia HS. That player was ruled ineligble to play varsity sports. I’ve heard the new coach @ Benicia is the one who is started the investigations. I don’t know who the new coach is at Benicia. But he has started a big mess.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:14 am
It’s about time CIF busted these programs private/public for their cheating ways. Unfortunately they haven’t looked at the De La Salle’s etc….. They tab players dang near from birth and come after them offering scholarships even though they can’t past the schools admission test. De la salle gets away with this crap for years but their untouchable. They bring too much money to the table so nothing will ever happen. CIF has no spine and they should be ashamed of the whole set up. It’s all about the money these adults don’t care about the kid and educating them. When a kid transfers you better believe it’s for sports. Private schools get away with murder!!! They steal talent from private school districts at will. The while thing sucks to high heaven. We have gutless folks running the system and as long as their pockets are fat they turn a blind eye to 99.9 percent of all infractions!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Alamo
Interesting story but not the same issue and not a violation. Now if the basketball coach was involved in the conversation with the two students that would be a violation.
As for DLS I can not recall any high profile transfers or any that even have had any impact on their program. Don’t tell me the Montana’s they never even played a role there.
We have no idea whether Bird was recruited or not, what we do know is that the school made mistakes when self reporting the information to the Section. They will have their chance to explain and Bird will be just fine in the long run. We all know he is one of the best players in NorCal and Salesian is a great environment for any student athlete to thrive as explained by the young player above.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 am
A lot of people are missing the point. These are GAMES for children. Kids who like their classmates and teachers and want to play sports with their FRIENDS.
The worst part of kids sports is the ADULTS messing things up
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Since we are talking about basketball here, I’m sure that DLS really tabbed all these players from birth this year. Allocco decided he didn’t want a team that had a player above 6′ 4″. He was standing over baby Travis Pacos and said you will be a 6′ 2″ post player for me. Hahahaha give me a break.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Agree with you AlamoRec, post #25, What seems to be the common denominator in all this is “Private School’s” whose students are sent there under the guise of “Family Values, Religion, high college acceptance rate” etc…
You can bet if these schools (privates) dropped sports mom and daddy would forget about those values in a New York minute and get Johnny and Jane out of there so fast those kids wouldn’t know what hit em. What “hypocracy”…
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
of course if the private schools dropped sports, their enrollment would go down because there are students who want to play sports in high school, just like if the public schools weren’t able to fund sports (a possibility only a year or two ago in the MDUSD) all these parents who preach about sending their kids to public schools would be sending their little athletes to the private schools if they could. That part goes both ways.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm
I really try to not to comment on most posts I see on the msg boards and blogs,but post #18 really ticks me off! First you’re naming kids like Bird,Brown and Andrews like you know them and their parents personally to say these kids have no loyalty and question their transfers. You have no clue what personal circumstances motivated their transfer. I’m so sick of grown men getting on here and talking about these kids like they’re criminals. And when I see my sons name in the mix (Andrews ) I as a Mom really take offense. I don’t and neither does any parent have justify to Joe Public why our kids transferred high schools. But I do agree you HAVE to follow the rules! Unfortunately pleading ignorance of the rules and bylaws is not going to justify a reversal of the ruling in an appeals process, but I wish the Bird family the best of luck. As a parent who has been through the process and appeals process I eventually was successful at proving my hardship and discrediting Commissioner Lemmon about our transfer being athletically motivated. Would I had love to have kept my son at Salesian and have him continue to get a private education you betcha but contrary to most beliefs even with some financial aid its expensive! SO MY PLEA GOES OUT TO ALL PARENTS WHO MAY HAVE A CHILD TRANSFER SCHOOLS -DUE YOUR HOMEWORK! Your child’s loyalty is to you and commitment to their education, not to any public /private or high-school or aau coach. But don’t fail them by pleading ignorance of the rules. The Cif/NCS and public opinion tries to make you guilty til proven innocent and going against Commissioner Lemmon is nothing nice!
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Correction it was post #17 not #18 that ticked me off. A parent once told me once its the parents whose kids ride the pine that complain the most. I didn’t use to believe that but now I don’t know. No one bats an eye or says a word when Johnnie Bench transfers hmmmm.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Renegades,
Public school parents “preaching” about sending their kids to public schools? I have read a few posts about choosing their (public) school for academic purposes but not one because of a sports program.
What do you mean about if MDUSD were to suspend sports their parents would send “their little athletes to private schools “IF THEY COULD”? Are you saying these kids would not be accepted into a private school because they do not have the physical talents to make the team or that their parents do not have the income for tuition? Either way it certainly appears that you look down on the “MDUSD”. By the way I have yet to read or hear about a school in the “MDUSD” accused of recruiting.
January 24th, 2011 at 1:40 am
i meant “if they could” as in if they financially could pay. I think Kendall’s mom pointed it out very well that financial aid only covers so much and that it can still be a burden to cover the rest of the tuition. I have no issue with the MDUSD nor do I look down on them, I was using the issues that occurred not that long ago were it looked like the athletic programs were going to get cut as an example that those families who had kids that wanted to play sports in high school would have looked at the other options available with the private schools who had sports programs just like you said that if the private schools cut sports kids would leave. Of course no public school parent is going to come on here and say they are sending their kid to a public school for athletic purposes. It doesn’t matter if they are or not since it is their local school. Does it happen that kids go to certain public schools for certain athletic teams? You bet it does. I’m curious why an MV player left Sacred Heart for MV, never did get an answer about that. Was he from the area to begin with? Or why did the star football players from Mt. Diablo end up at Pitt and Clayton? Yes of course there are plenty of kids who attend the private schools for sports. Does it mean they are recruited? No. But they also end up getting a quality education out of it as well. Smaller class sizes than most public schools, more individual attention from teachers, etc…
January 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
If your son/daughter is a very talented basketball player, find the best AAU club you can and play there. You don’t need high school to get recruited. The college coaches will find you in AAU. Many girls avoid high school soccer and only play club. All the college womens soccer teams recruit from the club teams. It is going this way in all sports except football. The CIF, NCS etc have forgotten their purpose and now think they are the NCAA. Transfer rules should be eliminated. If you want to play at Amador this year and Foothill next year that is your business. Will it create unfair competition? We already have that with DLS and all the privates who can draw from anywhere. Let the kids play. This is high school.
January 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
As an outside observer with no kids in high school athletics at this time it seems that the kids today are not enjoying their high school sports experience as much as we did “back in the day”. When I watch high school basketball teams play they just don’t seem like they are having very much fun.
For the past three years the amount of frowns I have seen from the elite players has really troubled me. Winning the league championship does not carry the same weight or prestige as it once did. The impact of AAU has really eroded the overall high school basketball experience.
Comment #41 had some interesting points. I would like to see the high school experience return to a balance of competition, sportsmanship and FUN.
January 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
R10- your knowledge of dLS as an alumnus is impressive and we know you are a die hard member of Sparta. However, here’s some guidance with your bias toward privates as it pertains to the academics in publics. Just because a school has smaller class size does not directly correlate with academic superiority. In fact, the publics do a better job with less money. dLS tuition $14,400. Public schools receive approx. $7500 per student year. It’d be nice if the privates would have to test for and publish their API scores (Academic Performance Index) but they do not, since they are not required to do so receiving no public funds. API is the current standard for interdistrict comparisons for academic standards in the state. If privates would simply volunteer to engage in the API poo, then there could be an official comparison. Ever wonder why the privates do not require their teachers to be credentialed? Money. They can hire uncredentialed teachers, thus less payroll, but you can afford smaller class sizes then! So is that or “individual attention” the end all? That’s a superficial argument.
BTW, the undisputed heavyweight academic NCS championship goes to (again)………… Mission San Jose, with 55 (FIFTY-FIVE!) National Merit Scholars for 2010!
dLS- one. although Carondelet did have 4.
January 24th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
“pool” !!
January 24th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
using msj as a comparison “public school” is a little out there, as they are in the more affluent area of fremont and their parents do contribute alot to their school, thus attracting some of the better teachers. Having kids attending public and private school, i will say the smaller class size was way more beneficial for my students. My personal opinion is that they need just let kids go where they want to because it seems there is always an exception to the rules. Good luck to the young man in question.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
It doesn’t matter if it’s De La Salle, now Salesian, Bellarmine or any other private- it all comes down to recruitment. Hard work and solid coaching have no play in the team’s success. These kids are recruited from birth, the minute they are baptised. Coaches sit in the church waiting to claim their prizes. Render to Caesar what is Caesr’s and render to De La what is their’s, nmow it’s Salesian.
Salesian has had a top notch team since the ’60′s with Webb and early ’70′s with Canepa.
Best could have gone to SPSV put choose Salesian. Toomer could have gone to St. Mary’s but choose DLS.
I don’t see Oakland High and Newark Memeorial being racked over the coals with ex- Salesian transfers- why because they are public and guess what, those 2 basketball powers don’t talk smack and criticise private programs- why because they win and have class. The parents and coaches of poor run programs always complain because they can’t consistantly win, lack of tradition.
If an error was made on the Salesian transfer then fix it, quit dragging all the privates thru the mud- you’ll never beat them, they really are that good.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
what nonsense! I had to stop walkin’ my Cougar up Mt. Diablo to read the story.
I bet the entire Salesian BB team jams warmups, had 40′ vertical jumps and can afford to loose Byrd and Jamari Brown and still win.
The kid most likely left Benicia because of their arrogance- SPSV continues to smack those punks around and only at 1/3 enrollment.
January 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
YouMama, Big Joe, Why don’t you pick one of the names and stay with it instead of writing under both names. Read blog #37, “see financial aid”. Lets call it for what it is “PAID TO PLAY”. Do you think that this is the only student who is receiving “financial aid”"PAID TO PLAY” at Salesian, Bellarmine, or “DLS”, etc.. I don’t think so… You are right with you statement “It all comes down to recruitment”.
January 24th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
When will DLS be investigated on so MANY things??
So sick of these private schools recruiting
Coachhoops post #31 you said it right, CIF has no spine!
January 24th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Chs- not pointing to smaller class sizes as a sign that the school is academically superior. you misunderstood my point which is that smaller class sizes end up meaning more individual attention for a student which can help them succeed academically and not get lost in the crowd as can happen at public schools and it does happen at the two publics I could have gone to had I not chosen to attend DLS.
In regards to financial aid let me give you a true story about financial aid being given to students at DLS. When I was home in between my first university and the one I am not now, and over the summer and winter breaks I volunteer over at a school in Oakland. It is a K-8 private school that serves kids from the inner city in Oakland and the surrounding areas. This entire school is supported by donors who sponsor kids to go there and pay for their education. Notable athletes and celebrities who have donated money and time to the school are Vida Blue, Michael Johnson, Adonal Foyle, Jason Kidd (every assist he has this year donates money to the school), Dana Carvey, and an alum of the school Tyson Ross. This school helps place almost all of their graduates into private high schools all over the Bay Area and even the boarding schools back East. In the class that graduated from there last year, two of the boys went to DLS. They were both recipients of the Bishop Cummins scholarship which is awarded to 50 students at the school and does in fact cover the entire tuition. People eligible for this must have families that are at or below the poverty level. These two boys that I referred to earlier are not playing sports, as a matter of fact they were both cut from the frosh basketball team. This was not given to them based on athletic abilities.
In regards to MSJ, yes they have a very high number of national merit scholars. As someone who used to live in Fremont, and also has worked in the area where MSJ is located, it’s very easy to understand why. This is going to sound racist but it carries a lot of merit from my experience in that area. That school has an incredibly large amount of Asian and Indian students. The parents, push their kids incredibly hard in school. A boy I used to coach who attends MSJ was not allowed to go to practice or play in games if he got a B on a test. Didn’t matter what class it was. This is very commonplace at that school and it’s a big reason why they could not field a varsity football team one year.
January 24th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I am under one name, my brother ,cousoin ,friends and others blog with me-we feel the same- like 10 of us- so if this is want you want to hear so be it.
De La Salle WILL NEVER be investigated- because they win it pisses people off. Salesian is being given a bad rap. Catholic schools are whippin” your sons because of the training, coaching and the inability of your sons” not to step up and take FULL acountabilty. Nuff said- I hope I stirred it up.
January 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
De La Salle will never be investigated- they are like the Pentagon- they run the roost and set the playing table. If they don’t run the roost, your school can’t possiblty run the roost. It’s like the Navy, CAN DO, if you can’t step back and let the professionals govern.
January 24th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
To Ebal5, PAID TO PLAY my a**! Where were you when I was writing that $800 tutition check every month plus $300 in transportation costs and that’s with financial aid. So the students who get financial aid and don’t play sports what are they PAID TO STUDY? CMON MAN!
January 24th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Kendall’s mom. Well said…I’ve been down this road with some of these folks attacking the privates…it’s the same old tired a$$ argument of recruiting, unfair advantage, blah, blah, blah. By the way, I am with you that it’s chicken S*&^ that someone calls out kids by names on these public forums.
January 24th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
R10
Well said on post #50. I also grew up in Fremont and was going to express the same reasoning as you did on why MSJ is having a huge success in the academic department. I went from public to private and my sister went from private to public. I have first hand knowledge about the differences between the two. My son played every minute of the season for the 2010 NCS champion soccer team at DLS. No club team wanted him due to his size for his position but he was determined to play for DLS and show all of these club teams not to judge by size but by his heart. These people don’t understand that is what DLS is loaded with in the classroom and on the athletic fields. I see pure determination when I watch this years soccer team and Basketball team play. They are very well coached and undersize for the most part. They play as a team and give 110%. That is playing for DLS………
January 24th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
I transferred my son from Kennedy to Salesian for his safety and security. Never mind he was also a basketball player, Kennedy was constantly on lock down, teachers sleeping in class, students braiding hair and playing dominoes. Seriously! and he also played AAU for the Soliders. Salesian gave me a piece of mind and comfort. Yes, I paid tution, books and uniforms. It was all worth it when he graduated in 2005. I don’t care what sport you play, if you don’t apply it in the classroom; Salesian will not give you a free pass.
I support Salesian High and the basketball program.
Good luck on the appeal and gooo Chiefs, I mean Pride:)
January 24th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Kendall’s Mom, thank you very much for shedding some light onto this with your own experience.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
some people on here are lumping every student-athlete that attends a private school into the same category. Of course there are some kids that attend certain private schools because of the athletic advantages, but there are also some student athletes attending because they have aspirations of attending a good college and want the best academics. What’s wrong with that? Stop selling our kids short, thinking they’re only interested in athletics and not about getting a good education. My kids works just as hard in the classroom as they do on the court. I said it before and I will say it again, there are tons of kids that attend public schools that don’t necessarily live in the attendance areas. Why aren’t they ever questioned? Also living in Fremont, having attended public schools in Fremont, having children who did as well, msj is on a whole other level and is by no means a good comparison for an achieving public school with limited resources. I hope Bird gets the appeal and wish him good luck.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
There is a public program called Middle High School at Contra Costa College that specifically targets at-risk students who want to excel academically but find the pathway at the WCCUSD HS in their neighborhood unsupportive….but no hoops- or any other sport- through MHS. I know the issues in West CC. Graduated from there and both parents lifetime educators in the district. MHS promotes smaller class sizes and individualized attention which then specifically guides their students to four year colleges.
As far as transfers and those who question inter-public transfers, read this morning’s Chronicle where columnist Mitch Stephens quotes NCS commish Lemmon as “ruling on more than 1,000 eligibility issues this school year” alone. “That’s just an estimate. It’s probably more.”
January 26th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
man I don’t know but it does seem like that article was putting out alot of info on the players. Not sure how they did not think it would cause some issues. Especially from them saying the big kid told him to come across the bridge, why would he even put that in the article. Sounds a little fishy to me.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
I always thought Catholic school could recruit in a sense!
January 26th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
brandonbeard-I think he put it in becuase it’s a good quote and it illustrates something something about the kids. What part of the info seems out of place?
January 26th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
wahhhhhhhh lets all cry about DLS…were a private catholic school…were ALLOWED to have people from outside of the zipcode to come and attend our school…
GET OVER IT…
we dont recruit. sooo keep saying what you want but youll never win…
so either cry more or just accept that your schools are worse at the sport.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Team09 get out of the blog.
Nobody cares what you have to say, You have the best athletes that’s why nobody challenges. What if you had kids only from your ZIP, how would you be?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
I say De La Salle move to the West Catholic Athletic League, where they can be in a private school paradise. So what if the proximity is an inconvenience to this move? It is more fair. The people who say De La Salle does not recruit, you never know. And that’s in addition to talented players being attracted to the school. It’s one thing for a school to dominate an athletic league with very high levels of talent, but another for that school to get so accustomed to winning that they panic when hit hard by graduation and cheat with their recruiting power. This means sometimes consideration for legal action (switching leagues) will sometimes not fly because there are too many hurdles in the way, but sometimes it does. Whether or not De La Salle’s case is the latter, the move would likely be best. But I understand it’s a long way, at least four more years, from happening. My point is, the teams shall play on without feeling too much sorrow over this mess, and basketball is not life, if the former does not work out, chances are the latter will.
If DLS is cheating their players will make themselves look too good in the future, and lower teams like Cal will later gradually catch up with them on and off the field. If not, maybe it is too bad for the players, but chances are they will recover.
January 27th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Wow, a whole new group of haters! DLS has not had a impact kid transfer into their football or basketball programs in over a decade. If anything, freshman drop out and go to other schools because they can’t handle the program or don’t like the school. That’s legit. For those that want to scream Montana, the young one (who transferred out and attended Oaks Christian, LA powerhouse) came to DLS as a freshman and then left. His older bro was a 3rd stringer on varsity.
This thread should be about Salesion, they violated rules, not anyone else.
January 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Ebal Fan, THEanonymouse,
I’m surprised that you haven’t got the usual response yet from Siiverngreen & Guesswhatt of “wahhhhhhhhhhh”, blah, blah, blah, “and same old tired a$$ argument”. You have to understand that these and other individuals think were all playing by the same rules, I don’t think they realize that:
1) Public “EBAL” schools cannot have of out of area players on their team, (I’ll take that back, they have admitted that this is an advantage to them)
2) Only 1 team in EBAL is sponsored by “NIKE”
3) Only 1 team in EBAL has the ability to offer “PAY TO PLAY” incentives, (Let me restate that “financial assistance”).
Am I jealous of the DLS/Servite admission staff? You bet ya, I’ll bet even the Oakland Raiders/GS Warriors are. As they review admission packages to assist those less fortunate (always out of the local area) it amazes me how they continually are able to “identify athletic talent” I mean, offer admission to future NFL players by just reviewing their admission package. (I know, your going to tell me that no athletic coaches are involved in the admission process.) I could also be wrong here as I have yet to see a package from either of these schools, it could very well have sections asking what is your 4/40 time, vertical leap, bench press etc.. At the high school 1 or 2 star athletes came dominate the playing field/court. Again my congratulations/admiration to those hard working admission staffs at these schools.
Advantage: DLS, Servite
I always read about how much hard work and effort the athletes at these schools put in and that is what makes them better. I agree with that and with a little future pro talent (usually commuting from outside the local area) on the team, bingo “NCS Championship”
Level playing field in EBAL? DLS say’s it is, and they don’t want to change a thing. Why would they?
January 27th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Ebal Fan — and people dont care about what you have to say either there buddy…so keep your mouth shut as well…
and we dont recruit, i know that for a fact there bud, and we’d fair just fine with kids from our own zip seeing as most of them are….nice try tho bud. maybe next time? oo wait…we’ll continue winning.
January 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am
has it ever occurred to ANY of you people that KIDS recognize the DLS program and apply there in order to be a part of the program…..clearly not…
and the admission reviewers are all middle-aged women ha….definitely not athletic coaches buddy.
January 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Team 09 – Blah Blah Blah
If WE were allowed to have kids outside of the zip code attend our public schools DLS would not even stand a chance in competition period end of story!!
Oh and I hope middle aged women who you are saying are clueless to sports in the admissions office do not read this. Real classless. I know more middle aged women who know more about sports, football, recruiting, rules of the game…. these women would take you down all day long BUDDY!
January 27th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
hey “ballin” (which you have probably never said out loud during a game or even heard)…probably more along the lines of “oo damn, i got stuffed…again”
ever heard of Deer Valley? Antioch High?…..they have students from richmond and oakland attending their schools and they still lose to the white boys of De La…..
They seem to be welll away from their zip code dont they??? but keep up with your argument (if you believe that you have one)
and when did i mention they were clueless to sports? haha, keep reading my post but you’ll never find it….they probably will know more about sports than your mind will ever comprehend (understand)….threw that in there just incase your incompetency level is as low as i believe it is…but hey, ill keep the chances we have…buddy. haha
January 27th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
WOW real bad 09… Incompetence? Duh right back at you, read your own post AGAIN…. oh and read #64 too… Hahahaha
January 27th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Ballin we know you are not a fan of DLS we got it… Not too many people are. Why? they win very difficult to beat them frustrating to many… with that said jerks like guesswhatteam09 who defends DLS nasty and arrogant make matters worst (I take it he is a DLS alum)
guesswhatteam09 – if you are going to defend DLS please be intelligent about it and say something meaningful like others who are supporters of DLS on this blog do.
January 27th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
DLS supporters would do well to just appoint Renegades and Silverngreen to be the voices of the Spartan faithful on here, as the many reincarnations of BigJoe/YoMama/BigDog or whatever the latest version is get very tiresome and do not reflect well on DLS or their supporters.
On a side note, EBAL fan #2 in post #66 states that “DLS has not had an impact kid transfer into their football or basketball programs in over a decade.” Just what is an impact kid? Chris Mullin is currently the 6th man for the basketball team, at least he was the first one in off the bench last Monday at Haas. He was reportedly the top freshman at SRV 2 years ago and transferred to DLS last year. DLS prides itself on not having impact kids and relying on everyone to do their part. Mullin is every bit of an impact kid on that team as anyone else and he’ll probably get more playing time as the season goes on and next season as he is only a junior. He would be a starter this season and helping SRV had he not transferred. That is an impact in and of itself as it takes away from SRV and gives to DLS, the two top bananas in the EBAL this year.
January 27th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
EBAL5- I think your “Pay to Play” idea has been shot down already by Kendall’s Mom. But as it goes, public school is free, except for the taxes the parents pay which DLS parents all pay as well. So your argument about only one school in the EBAL can offer financial assistance is bogus, because only one school requires parents to pay tuition if you want to turn that argument around.
Now in regards to uniforms, I have seen plenty of local high schools wearing Nike uniforms, so wouldn’t that make them sponsored by Nike as well? When I was at DLS it wasn’t given to us for free.
Did you know that Christian Brothers’ schools on the West Coast are mandated to have 5% of their student body be below the poverty level?
Let me ask Ballin and yourself this question, if all this you say is true about DLS, why weren’t the Atkinson Bros. suiting up for DLS? They have the NFL genes in them. If you guys were right, the DLS coaches should have been all over them. How about Kyle Wright being rejected by the school? Ended up being National POY for the 2002 season. Why did DJ Williams’ mother have to sell pies and cookies door to door just to cover her son’s tuition at DLS? Because she was willing to make the sacrifices to send him there.
January 27th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Ballin – i read #64…..whats your point? hahahahaha.
oo and i re read my post again…where did i state they were clueless? no where….
the fact that you wrote that proves your incompetence…sorry, i have to go and pick up my paycheck hahaha. peace
January 27th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I have heard those rumors. If DLS has a completely blind application process and no one knows who has applied, then how do you know for sre whether the Atkinson brothers or Kyle Wright or anyone else for that matter applied or not? We only know who is accepted once they are in. And from what I have heard, it is probably tougher to get accepted into DLS than the the U of Miami.
January 27th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
because people around the town knew he applied and did not again. Also I nvr said the Atkinson’s applied, just suggesting that if the coaches were really looking at kids from an early age they would have been all over them.
January 27th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
*did not get in.
January 27th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Dear Abby,
Today I was on by favorite blog site talking to my friends when I met a new friend, “GuessWhatteam09″”. He and I were a blogging about our schools, I told him “that the admission staff at his high school was real good at identifying real good players”. He told me “that his school doesn’t recruit”, I don’t know why he said that because I didn’t mention it, but we were starting to become real good friends because he started calling me “Bud”. I then told him how hard the athletes at his school must work because they are real good and they drive a long way to get there. Well next thing ya know he was calling me “Buddy” and I was beginning to think I had a new “BFF”. I even thought that maybe we would both go to a high school basketball or football game together. We then started talking about how a level playing field makes for a good game (you know its not fair when one team has the uphill side when the other has the downhill side) when suddenly out of nowhere he said that “I HAD BETTER KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT”.
Abby, Can you tell me why he said that, because I know I wasn’t chewing with my mouth open.
EBAL5
January 27th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
EBAL5 – Hysterical! Can’t stop laughing!!
January 27th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
@Perkins: Jahvid Best’s PARENTS live in Vallejo and have since they moved from Richmond when Jahvid was still at Salesian. How do I know this? B/C my oldest son was #42 on the Varsity basketball team when Jahvid was on the J.V. team as a freshman. I’ve been to their home. I don’t know who lives in an apartment behind St.Pats, but the Best family (both parents with good jobs) live in a two car garage, 4brm, 2 1/2 ba home. And you ask again, how do I know this? b/c Jahvid and my younger son #53 both played at Cal. I know the Best family very well and they paid tuition like the rest of us Salesian parents. Don’t hate because our kids were talented enough to get scholarships and now Jahvid is in the NFL. This was no accident; he is truly a talented young man who is now getting paid for doing something he loves.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:13 am
EBAL5 – sorry you thought we were “good friends”…i know you don’t have any and that still hasn’t changed…cute BFF line, it was really touching but sorry old “friend” but it wont happen, i tend to become friends with people that will benefit me in life which you clearly cannot do…
nice story tho hansel…best of luck with the friend thing though. i hope it all works out for you.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:16 am
Ebal5:
been down this road before pal…get over it…I am pretty sure your next posting will reveal that DLS has a contract with the NFL…Start drafting your letter to Congress so they can start the hearings EBAL5..Good football to you sir!
January 28th, 2011 at 12:16 am
oo and I never stated that YOU said we recruit now did i?? oo yeah, thats right i didn’t…
so abby, tell me why he said this? ha..
nice try there “bud” have fun on this blog with your friends…
“Dear Abby,
Today I was on by favorite blog site talking to my friends” – EBAL5
pretty sad your friends are people over the internet on a blog.
im bored. moving on.. peace.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:22 am
uh oh s1lvergreen…
dont say pal….he might overthink it and believe you’re his friend too…haha
thank you tho for telling him to get over it….much appreciated
January 28th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Mullin’s older brother was already enrolled at DLS.
January 28th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Silverngreen,
Since you brought up the NFL I wondering if you had heard whether or not “DLS and Salesian, are going to increase the salary cap for the 2011/12 school year or are they going to leave it where it’s at?
January 28th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Not sure Ebal5, why don’t you ask you reliable sources? You seem to have an insight writing those monthly tuition checks and all…
January 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Dear Abby! As my son would say “Mom who’s Dear Abby? ” Oh she ‘s just a columnist’s that friendless middle aged Caucasian men write to for advice. I said it before and I’ll say it again in life the most successful programs attract top performers whether it be academically or athletically. So you people who get on here with your private agendas, and your own kids who graduated ten and twenty years ago nobody cares. IMO unless you have little kids playing organized sports or high schooler playing your opinion is IRRELEVANT! WE SHOULD SUPPORT ALL STUDENT ATHLETES BE IT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE AND APPLAUD THEM SINCE THERE ARE WAY WORSE THINGS THESE KIDS COULD BE DOING.
January 28th, 2011 at 11:31 am
We all realize there is not a level athletic playing field in the EBAL with DLS in the league. We also realize that most parents with talented student athletes would be willing to commute to Concord and they do not need to recruit. Those families whom choose to attend there public school do so for various reasons which include academics, commuting and tuition. Considering all of that one must make a decision to go where they feel their son or daughter, across the street, should complete an education preparing for the rigors of college. The families whom have chosen the public path to college for our children must under stand an athletic event against DLS is not at par, but an education is so important and using state approved teachers could provide a better way to a life long career. Now one must understand DLS has good and poor teachers as well and the same can be found in the San Ramon School district but in the past DLS has had some state problems with meeting education requirements. They have managed currently to convince the state they are qualified. My honest opinion is that DLS should leave the EBAL if athletics are that important to those blogs above and compete nationally so that they can provide competition for their storied athletic program. If parents want a special academic program for their student then attend a public school or reach higher and attend a private school like Athenian and stop complaining about athletic programs.
January 28th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Kmom are you Dear Abby? Really?
Duh… of course your succesful getting kids outside your zip code to play…. oooo
January 28th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Storm,
I like your insight on everything besides the whole “past DLS has had some state problems with meeting education requirements.”
One does not need a teaching credential in order to teach religion and philosophy and classes along those lines. Or ethics for that matter. We have priests and fathers that teach those classes that know more about the bible than some teachers ever will in their lives….So when it comes to meeting standards academically just look at our graduation rate (100%) and our percentage of students that continue on to four year schools (above 90%)…The facts are there, one can argue that our stuff is illegitimate but but they dont have a case…
my point: a student attended DLS for his entire freshman year and is actually still attending there….but he lives in Antioch, CA…the public school near his house (Deer Valley) sent him progress reports and report cards every other month stating that he was “a pleasure to have in class” and that he was “an exceptional student”….
He passed his freshman year at DEER VALLEY with a 3.35 and NEVER ATTENDED ONE day of school there seeing as he was enrolled at DLS…
Public school teachers get looked higher upon and often see raises if their students attend class and that is why this student was marked present….
The content within that public school teachers mind didn’t matter to him/her but rather that his students were marked present whether they were or were not for his/her benefit…
DLS is also college preporatory, meaning we dont have classes like woodshop and autoshop because we want our students to achieve more than that…So, with all of this said. I believe that DLS meets and goes beyond educational requirements set by the state. whereas Deer Valley and public schools alike pretend to.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
GridIronboy, my Dear Abby comment was directed twds EBAL5 but if you want to lump yourself in with friendless middle aged men be my guest. PS maybe you should reread your post before you click send. Because it read as if you hit your head too many times against the Gridiron. Same a$$ corny argument.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
gettin handed to by the madre…well said kendalls mom… well said.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Guesswhatteam09
I am sorry you had to provide a case where the public school has failed to provide for a student and the community at large given a dishonest evaluation. We both know all schools have problems. Thank you for your response but I can not agree that DLS is a true college prep. Having sent a son to DLS from St. Isadores and a current parish member, while teaching at a true college prep in the area. I could point out examples of where DLS has fallen down but that would tarnish a school trying to do the right things for it’s students. Believe me none of the schools in the EBAL compare academically with some of the schools of the BCL East. The service a school like DLS provides for students from less than adequate school districts can not be ignored but if a family has the resource to send their child to a true college prep they will not be attending DLS for academic growth.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
oooo so tough Kmommy dearest
January 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Storm,
Well said…Even though we may not be the BEST college prep. by standards set out by the state of CA we are considered a college prep school. Im not arguing that the school is the best around but it is better academically than most. As for BCL East, im sure you’re right and i wont argue with you on that one. Im just simply stating that DLS is a great school and provides their students with one of the best educations (if you use it to its full potential)…Dont be sorry i had to state a case either, im just reinforcing the fact that other schools such as public school in the bay area lack certain educational qualities that they shouldn’t…
as for GridironMan,
If you were a man, you wouldn’t speak to a lady the way you are…so please, for the sake of everyone stfu.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Storm is correct that schools like College Prep, Headroyce, Bentley, and Athenian are more rigorous academic schools than DLS. I have friends that went to three of those four and every single one of those kids went to an Ivy League, Stanford, Berkeley, and Duke. I was a student at DLS and the academics at DLS do not compare to those schools. Remember however, that those schools are among the most selective anywhere in California. I know very, very deserving students who did not get into CP and Headroyce despite having outstanding grades from a tough private middle school. DLS was lacking in one area when I was there and that was math. They have since done away with the “integrated math program” and from what I have heard it has gotten much better. That being said, as I try to say over and over again, it’s not the overall academics where DLS outshines the public schools, it’s the help available to all students through things such as smaller class sizes, counselors who know you by name, and the required monthly sitdowns with the college and career counselors. The public schools in my area cannot offer the same kind of help and guidance to the students.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Guesswhatajerk09 oooo so tough too… must be mommy’s boy
stfu… nice… little boy big mouth…
Believe it was told to you a few post back… whah whah whah
January 28th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
guesswhat a jerk??
haah. what are you? like 6?
and little boy?? haha. oooo gridironbitch….you just need to calm it down..
keep blogging because i know its all you have…i wont read your next post because you’re boring me…peace
January 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
I think Mullin’s older brother has already graduated by now, but he was not mentioned as a transfer student. In fact, I think he was just a lacrosse player and didn’t even play hoops or football.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Guesswhatajerk09 oooo looks like you are angry… oooo so tough and nice language… is that all you got?
6? exactly what I’m responding to guesswhatajerk oh oh wait mommy boy…
peace? do you even know the meaning?
keep blogging because i know its all you have? hahahaha is this not YOUR life? Really mommy boy oh wait guesswhatajerk0 looks like you are causing problems on other blogs too
January 29th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Prep Fan – Mullin for DLS, 0 points vs Cal High on Tuersday. 0 points vs Monte Vista on Friday night. Hardly an impact or game changer. Good player, maybe stsrt as a senior.
January 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am
It really comes down to what is considered an impact player. I am in agreement with ebal fan #2 that an impact player is someone such as Hollis Thompson who transferred to DLS in the fall of 08. A highly recruited player across the country. Of course he only stayed for one semester before leaving DLS, but that would be considered an impact player. But I think Prep Fan’s point is that Mullin could potentially be starting for SRV this year and could have made the team better overall. So in a way that has an impact on the school he left to go to DLS.
January 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
DLS doesn’t judge players based on points scored. They have to play defense, and they don’t score many points. They held Monte Vista to 4 points in the second half last night? Correct Renegades – Mullin’s transfer impacted both programs. Thompson would be an impact player for any school he transferred into, but there are not many of his talent. Ok, maybe the 2 Jabaris are on that level.
Of course if you define an impact player as someone who scores at least 20 points a game, then I agree since DLS hasn’t had many 20 point scorers in the past 10 years with or without transfers. They do get the occasional basketball transfer though with Montana, Thompson & Mullin being 3 recent examples.
January 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
R10-SnG, ever heard of the entrance exam being taken twice in the same eval period for reasons other than tardiness, untimed due to learning disab., power out, other acts of god, etc.?
January 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
A very interesting article by Mitch Stephens in the Chron last week in which NCS commish Lemmon is quoted- roughly here- “I’ve ruled on around 1,000 athletic transfers this academic year alone….it’s probably more.”
1,000! So not so sure why posters are baggin’ on him when he has no agenda with certain kids other than to hold them, their parents, the recipient schools and the heavy (at least in top flight hoops) outside club influences to a standard that is in place to promote (but not fully enact) equity and an even playing field.
January 29th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Chs, it’s been awhile since I took the test although I do remember they had some stipulation for people with learning disabilities. I actually did take the test twice however, but only because of a stupid rule that if you take the test for a school in one diocese, it will not count for a school in a different diocese. I applied to Saint Ignatius and Sacred Heart Cathedral in the city, but because DLS is in the Oakland diocese they would not accept that test even though it was the exact same one except for the essay question. Not sure if that rule has been changed yet or not.
January 29th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
CHS,
Not aware of that, my boy was a one shot deal, perhaps if someone can show mitigating circumstances, death in the family, illness, etc, the Diocese makes an exception? Not really sure….maybe there is some sort of appeal process or something? Fortunately, we did not have to deal with that.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I agree that DLS is not a high scoring team but scoring; whether it is 2,4,6,9 points a game reflects time on the court. If you score zero points in two league games, not on the court very much and limited (no) impact. Thompson was in and out of DLS before he played, Montana was not a starter. No impact from a transfer as a starter – ever.
The Salesian decision was reversed, maybe this thread can get back to Salesian, not DLS
January 30th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Wow. Who saw that coming? (sarcasm)
I’m pretty sure they’ll restore the sixteen wins too. And even though this is still a legal issue at hand, civil courts continue to be behind? Now the BSAL is going to need to keep dragging their feet as will NCS division 4, and even if the decision is reversed, championship crowns end up likely going to the wrong teams….
It figures though, basketball is a cruel sport imo, where adversity thrives to keep the worst teams out of the equation. Survival of the fittest.
(And don’t think that we of this thread have forgotten DLS. Even if the big guys are not scoring a whole lot, somehow, someway, they are contributing to the success, for how else can a team be league champions or what not for a gazillion years in a row?)
January 30th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
I was just responding to a post that I found to be incorrect. If you want to act like no one ever transfers to DLS after their freshman year then you can keep your blinders on. I’m sure Thompson had every intention of playing at DLS when he transferred, that is until he discovered that Allocco works those boys harder than most college teams and doesn’t allow them to just run up and down the floor shooting at will.
May 28th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
The simple truth about private high schools of any kind and public high schools is simply, attendance. Provate schools have no boundaries and can recruit from anywhere they want. They have the backing of private donors as well as deep pocket bosters. Public high schools can only accept students that reside within the schools attendance boundaries. Money is tight and controlled by the school district not the coaches and boosters. Publich high schools are required to accpet anyone that lives within the schools boundary. Private schools, well…