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	<title>Comments on: 30Q-2-KICKOFF (No. 19): Spanning the Bay (Football League)</title>
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		<title>By: Pride Baller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pride Baller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously Salesian has far outgrown the BFL.  It&#039;s a shame, they&#039;ll win every league game this year by over 40 points.  As the parent of a senior player it has been frustrating to have all these overmatched teams on the schedule.  For several seasons multiple parents have been lobbying to move up in competition but we&#039;re told that it&#039;s in the hands of the NCS and we couldn&#039;t get out of the BFL until next season.  Salesian will be quite strong this year but is unfortunately stuck in the BFL for one more year.

I&#039;m sure Nightingale likes the perks of being the league winner (home playoff games) but I&#039;m sure he would also prefer better competition.  SPSV, always good, bailed on Salesian this year, not sure why but at least that game was replaced with a strong Sac team Inderkum.  St. Mary&#039;s also bailed (good decision, no point in that slaughter) but apparently late enough that he couldn&#039;t find anyone other than Kennedy to play.  Middletown &amp; McClymonds are good competition in the other non-league games, though it&#039;s also unfortunate that Swett is still on the schedule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously Salesian has far outgrown the BFL.  It&#8217;s a shame, they&#8217;ll win every league game this year by over 40 points.  As the parent of a senior player it has been frustrating to have all these overmatched teams on the schedule.  For several seasons multiple parents have been lobbying to move up in competition but we&#8217;re told that it&#8217;s in the hands of the NCS and we couldn&#8217;t get out of the BFL until next season.  Salesian will be quite strong this year but is unfortunately stuck in the BFL for one more year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Nightingale likes the perks of being the league winner (home playoff games) but I&#8217;m sure he would also prefer better competition.  SPSV, always good, bailed on Salesian this year, not sure why but at least that game was replaced with a strong Sac team Inderkum.  St. Mary&#8217;s also bailed (good decision, no point in that slaughter) but apparently late enough that he couldn&#8217;t find anyone other than Kennedy to play.  Middletown &amp; McClymonds are good competition in the other non-league games, though it&#8217;s also unfortunate that Swett is still on the schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudleydawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dudleydawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[must be nice to know you have a guaranted home playoff game everyear. Knightengale is the a.d. so we all can expect him to stay put in the bfl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>must be nice to know you have a guaranted home playoff game everyear. Knightengale is the a.d. so we all can expect him to stay put in the bfl</p>
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		<title>By: big joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>big joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nightingale is hurting his team&#039;s rep staying in the BFL.  Time to play in the BSAL.  That loyality crap is BS. Salesian has always been respectable, quit dopdging better comp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nightingale is hurting his team&#8217;s rep staying in the BFL.  Time to play in the BSAL.  That loyality crap is BS. Salesian has always been respectable, quit dopdging better comp.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never followed the PAL, so I&#039;m not &quot;trying to defend&quot; them. I know it&#039;s worked well in the BVAL (Blossom Valley, not Bay Valley). 

I didn&#039;t say these leagues are about boosting a team&#039;s computer ranking on Cal Preps. But go back and look at those ratings. What I noticed is that there aren&#039;t large differences between the highest rating and the lowest rating. The Lake has the largest gap with the high being 0 and the low being 33.5.

Let&#039;s compare to the affected East Bay leagues. In the BSAL, the gap between the highest rated team (Encinal) and the lowest (Albany) is 56.8. In the ACCAL, it&#039;s 57.1 between Pinole Valley and De Anza. In the HAAL, it&#039;s 48.9 between O&#039;Dowd and Mt. Eden.

To round out, the PAL-Bay high to low gap is 26.5 and the PAL-Ocean is 30.4. That shows me those leagues are much closer to each other top to bottom. Competitive equity doesn&#039;t mean every team is good. It means teams in the same league are comparable. These numbers (and I don&#039;t live and die by them, but they were brought up so I&#039;m using them) show those leagues have more competitive equity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never followed the PAL, so I&#8217;m not &#8220;trying to defend&#8221; them. I know it&#8217;s worked well in the BVAL (Blossom Valley, not Bay Valley). </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say these leagues are about boosting a team&#8217;s computer ranking on Cal Preps. But go back and look at those ratings. What I noticed is that there aren&#8217;t large differences between the highest rating and the lowest rating. The Lake has the largest gap with the high being 0 and the low being 33.5.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s compare to the affected East Bay leagues. In the BSAL, the gap between the highest rated team (Encinal) and the lowest (Albany) is 56.8. In the ACCAL, it&#8217;s 57.1 between Pinole Valley and De Anza. In the HAAL, it&#8217;s 48.9 between O&#8217;Dowd and Mt. Eden.</p>
<p>To round out, the PAL-Bay high to low gap is 26.5 and the PAL-Ocean is 30.4. That shows me those leagues are much closer to each other top to bottom. Competitive equity doesn&#8217;t mean every team is good. It means teams in the same league are comparable. These numbers (and I don&#8217;t live and die by them, but they were brought up so I&#8217;m using them) show those leagues have more competitive equity.</p>
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		<title>By: EBfootball</title>
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		<dc:creator>EBfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jimmy are you really trying to defend the PAL??? First off I can&#039;t think of any team from those three leagues except for Terra Nova and Jefferson.  Second I just checked out those leagues on Cal Preps and there are negative numbers all over the place.  That competitive equity thing helped no one out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy are you really trying to defend the PAL??? First off I can&#8217;t think of any team from those three leagues except for Terra Nova and Jefferson.  Second I just checked out those leagues on Cal Preps and there are negative numbers all over the place.  That competitive equity thing helped no one out there.</p>
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		<title>By: PERKIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>PERKIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope they use that criteria or a criteria like that where a 3rd party makes the decision to move up or down. I see disaster if all AD&#039;s/Coaches were put in a room &amp; had to decide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they use that criteria or a criteria like that where a 3rd party makes the decision to move up or down. I see disaster if all AD&#8217;s/Coaches were put in a room &amp; had to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basically, at the end of each season there&#039;s a summary report filed by each school for each sport to report how each team performed (with consequences for not filing it). 

There&#039;s a Executive Board that then determines the divisions. Schools can request a switch of divisions with the commissioner. If a school disagrees with a division placement, it can file an appeal.

That sounds like a very fair process to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, at the end of each season there&#8217;s a summary report filed by each school for each sport to report how each team performed (with consequences for not filing it). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a Executive Board that then determines the divisions. Schools can request a switch of divisions with the commissioner. If a school disagrees with a division placement, it can file an appeal.</p>
<p>That sounds like a very fair process to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a look at the Blossom Valley Athletic League bylaws regarding division placement.

Appeal of Division Placement -
5.1 All members schools are required to submit to the League Commissioner, by the date requested,  
the Team Summary and Profile Report/End of Season Summary Form.  The completed report is 
to be signed by the principal, the athletic director and the coach.  If these reports are not 
received by the due date the penalty is as follows:(5/20/08)
•  First Infraction -
Schools not submitting the required completed form(s) on time will be fined $25 per sport for 
that school year and season.
•  Second Infraction - Schools not submitting the required completed form(s ) on time for the 
next sport season will be fined $50  per sport for  that school year and season.
•   Third Infraction - Schools not submitting the required completed forms on time for the next 
sport season will be fined $100 per sport for  for that school year and season.
•   Schools that do not submit the form on time will not be allowed to appeal any league movement.  
  (6/23/06)
5.2  Failure to remit payment in 30 days will incur a 20% late fee.  If this payment is not received 
in 30 days procedures as outlined in Article 3, Section 3 Delinquent Fee/Dues Policy  will apply.  
(6/23/06)
5.3   Schools wanting to appeal their division placement as set by the BVAL Executive Board  shall 
request an appeals hearing and must inform the Commissioner if they are requesting a change 
with another school.  (5/24/01)(moved from Sec 5 5/20/08)
5.4  The appeal board is chaired by the BVAL Past  President, two appointed principals, and 3 
Athletic Director’s selected by the BVAL Athletic Directors. (5/24/01) (moved from Sec 5 
(5/20/08)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a look at the Blossom Valley Athletic League bylaws regarding division placement.</p>
<p>Appeal of Division Placement -<br />
5.1 All members schools are required to submit to the League Commissioner, by the date requested,<br />
the Team Summary and Profile Report/End of Season Summary Form.  The completed report is<br />
to be signed by the principal, the athletic director and the coach.  If these reports are not<br />
received by the due date the penalty is as follows:(5/20/08)<br />
•  First Infraction -<br />
Schools not submitting the required completed form(s) on time will be fined $25 per sport for<br />
that school year and season.<br />
•  Second Infraction &#8211; Schools not submitting the required completed form(s ) on time for the<br />
next sport season will be fined $50  per sport for  that school year and season.<br />
•   Third Infraction &#8211; Schools not submitting the required completed forms on time for the next<br />
sport season will be fined $100 per sport for  for that school year and season.<br />
•   Schools that do not submit the form on time will not be allowed to appeal any league movement.<br />
  (6/23/06)<br />
5.2  Failure to remit payment in 30 days will incur a 20% late fee.  If this payment is not received<br />
in 30 days procedures as outlined in Article 3, Section 3 Delinquent Fee/Dues Policy  will apply.<br />
(6/23/06)<br />
5.3   Schools wanting to appeal their division placement as set by the BVAL Executive Board  shall<br />
request an appeals hearing and must inform the Commissioner if they are requesting a change<br />
with another school.  (5/24/01)(moved from Sec 5 5/20/08)<br />
5.4  The appeal board is chaired by the BVAL Past  President, two appointed principals, and 3<br />
Athletic Director’s selected by the BVAL Athletic Directors. (5/24/01) (moved from Sec 5<br />
(5/20/08)</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure if there&#039;s a specific criteria. But usually they look at the last place team in the higher league and the first place team in the lower league and I think put it to a vote to decide if they should switch. Like you said, for teams in the lower league, it becomes a goal to move up. For a team that struggles in the higher league, it can be maybe a little relief to slide down, but usually the goal becomes to elevate the program so you can move back up. That personal pride in your program becomes a driving factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if there&#8217;s a specific criteria. But usually they look at the last place team in the higher league and the first place team in the lower league and I think put it to a vote to decide if they should switch. Like you said, for teams in the lower league, it becomes a goal to move up. For a team that struggles in the higher league, it can be maybe a little relief to slide down, but usually the goal becomes to elevate the program so you can move back up. That personal pride in your program becomes a driving factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Billjohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billjohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perkin mandown gotta agree wit y&#039;all dont know if u play spades but we call dat sandbagging!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perkin mandown gotta agree wit y&#8217;all dont know if u play spades but we call dat sandbagging!</p>
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