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East Bay Football Poll – 9/26

By Ben Enos
Monday, September 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm in East Bay Football, East Bay Poll.

Here’s our poll that will run in Wednesday’s paper.

Team Record Points Last week
1. De La Salle (7) 2-1 105 1
2. California 3-0 97 3
3. James Logan 4-0 92 4
4. Pittsburg 3-1 81 2
t5. Encinal 2-1 75 6
t5. San Ramon Valley 2-1 75 5
7. Freedom 4-0 63 7
8. Las Lomas 4-0 52 8
9. Miramonte 4-0 49 9
10. Monte Vista 1-2 43 10
11. Salesian 4-0 33 13
12. Granada 2-1 32 12
13. Deer Valley 2-2 17 t15
14. Campolindo 4-0 14 14
15. Livermore 3-0 5 t15

Also receiving votes: Heritage (2-2, 4 points), San Leandro (1-2, 3). The East Bay Prep Football Poll is voted on by the prep sports staff of Bay Area News Group-East Bay.

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  • panther4

    Thank you Chalktalk!! I can’t believe that no other coach has come up with this amazing game plan. YES!! Tackle the pitch man every time!! Blitz that corner and kill the RB, of course!! Now you just have to stop the dive, qb keep play action pass, oh and lets not forget the receiver that is now wide open because the guy that was covering him just tackled the pitch man. I thought you were onto something, but now that I look a little further, I guess not. How exactly do you isolate their db’s as well. I guess if you just hitem in the mouth all else will take care of itself.

  • Spark Baldman

    Chalktalk. Responding to you is not even worth my time anymore.

  • junior

    panther- you might get some agreement on your point from DLS/private school backers IF you would admit there are public school advantages: zero tuition, usually better facilities, can groom the pop warner teams, larger enrollment, no entrance exams, etc.

    It goes both ways.

  • junior

    technique, talent- both are important.

    THE #1 predictor of HS sports success:
    Leadership/Coaching = 70% of winning.

  • chalktalk

    PANTHER 4
    roll to a cover 3 over the blitzing cb
    bring 8— zone turns 2 man after 2 second

    I PLAYED IN A VEER OPTION OFFENSE
    U R SUPPOSE 2 MAKE DLS PASS dont b an asshole
    neutralize the o-line and this famous weight room with skill player ITS OBVIOUS if u catch them in the back field a few times and its 2nd and 18 or 3rd and 15 u have a better chance at winning

    DONT B A FOOL AND LET SOMEONE BIGGER AND STRONGER THEN U PUNCH U N THE FACE REPEATEDLY

    I KNOW THIS GAME U CATCH UP GENIUS!!!! GO AROUND THE WALL

  • BVAL Expert

    Chalk talk- If all de la salle ran was option every play.. that game plan would work.. However, Its risky and it would almost be like a guessing game… running a 3-3-5 or a 3-5-3 whatever you want to call it.. That defense has a better chance against that offense. because you have 3 players on each side of the defense to take the dive qb and pitch… You have the DE lined up on the tackle.. thats the player they should be reading… then you have the OLB that is five yards behind the DE that will take the dive.. and then you have the free safety at the line of scrimage that will be right there to take the pitch.. Boom! there you have it

  • panther4

    Chalk, if you know this game so well and it is so easy to stop their offense, how come noone in Northern California has done it for about 50 years?? Maybe you should host a clinic with your wealth of veer knowledge. I am sure that all of the other coaches around who are just good guys who get punched in the face and take it would love to have this info. PS does the secondary count out loud so they all know when it has been 2 seconds? Also, when it switches to man to man and you have brought 8, who covers the backs, or the 4th wideout? hmmmmmmm

  • panther4

    Chalk, come on if you know this game so well and it is so easy to stop their offense, how come noone in Northern California has done it for about 50 years?? Maybe you should host a clinic with your wealth of veer knowledge. I am sure that all of the other coaches around who are just good guys who get punched in the face and take it would love to have this info. PS does the secondary count out loud so they all know when it has been 2 seconds? Also, when it switches to man to man and you have brought 8, who covers the backs, or the 4th wideout? hmmmmmmm

  • chalktalk

    wow i see y no one has beaten them in 50 years
    u dont have all those option when the DB blitz
    he is in the back flied about as fast as a field goal block

    did u see c-wood on greenbay how about 43 for pitt
    the timing of the flow is what u fail 2 realize
    COACH DONT B 2 SCARED 2 B SUCCESSFUL

    if u guard everything u end up guarding nothing
    WHO GOT THE FLAT WHO GOT 4WR R U SOME TYPE OF NUT

    u blitz so the qb has 2 figure that out not the D asshole

  • chalktalk

    panther4
    have u seen anyone try the d i described
    do u know if u get hit hard enuuf ur technique goes out the window and u mite even forget ur job
    and fear alone mite make u not want 2 run that play again u start doubting the coach and his play calling
    ur hand start swelling from all the contact u start looking 2 c whose coming and were r they coming from
    ILL ASK AGAIN HAVE U PLAYED THE GAME!!!!!!!

  • BVAL Expert

    Chalk talk.. I dont completely disagree with you..

    If both of you guys have watched De La Salle they never run option in a 4 wr set.. its always been in split backs formation. You guys are talking about defending the option but then your talking about defending the pass with 4 wrs.. its pretty obvious what they are going to do with 4 wrs.. they never run option with 4 wr set.. its either a designed pass or run play..
    De La Salle offense is a combination of a: “One back offense, and a pro style triple option/veer option” Thats what they do straight up based on facts.

    I remember when the Comcast news broadcasters interviewed ladocuer before the one of the CIF games and they asked him about the offense philosophy at de la salle.. and lad said that they have Tons of formations, and some that they dont always use the same ones every year. Some formations never get used until the next season. Its amazing that they have only so many formations yet they have the same success..

  • chalktalk

    BVAL EXPERT

    i know how2 stop the option which seems 2 be their bread n butter BUT PAIN STOP THE BIGGEST BADDEST DUDES

    STUB UR TOE C DONT THAT STOP U N UR TRACKS LOL

  • BVAL Expert

    For example: DLS can add and stick with 16 formations the whole season.. but in reality they have like 32 formations to chose from.

  • BVAL Expert

    Yea mentally its easy to stop the option when you think about it… but its the doing part that people cant do..

    For example: De La Salle loves to hand it off to the dive because the play side tackle will block the play side linebacker every option play..We know that the play side linebacker has the Dive responsibility, however it makes things 1000000000000000000000 times difficult if you have a blocker coming at you full speed on every option play. Thats why you see Houtousn giving the ball alot and not running with it.. because they will have more success giving the ball..

  • chalktalk

    bval expert
    DONT GET CAUGHT UP THE THE SMOKE A MIRRORS
    ITS IS WHAT ITS IS A DIVE ATTACK THE SPACE
    THEY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH IN THE SPACE LIMIT THE SPACE U LIMIT THE OPTIONS
    u dictate what ur gonna give up dont let them dictate to u

  • chalktalk

    once a players start thinking instead of reacting its over
    THE ROLLING START IS COMING HIT EVERYTHING MOVING
    RIGHT NOW DONT LET THAT BOULDER START COMING DOWN HILL
    i see all these kids stand waiting to get block blow the olines legs out c how many times the gaint get up off the ground giants like standing and looking down on people

  • BVAL Expert

    I agree with everything except the choping at the legs.. what happens if its a pass play?…

    A good way to teach DE’s to reduce space for the QB/RB is teach the DE to aim for the middle off the mesh point between the qb/rb.. tell the DE to aim his helmet right in the middle of the QB/RB mesh.. its hard to explain on here but thats how eliminate space.. in the whole goal is to make the QB make is own decision and not based on what the DE reacts.. its hard to explain on here.. but thats how you do it.. if you aim in the middle.. you are not fully committing to RB nor are you fully committing to the QB.. you are contacting both at the same time.. This confuses the QB.. making the wrong decisions, fumbling, etc… However it has to be fast reaction of the DE or else it wont work

  • chalktalk

    BELIEVE ME I UNDERSTAND WHAT UR SAYING

    IF THE DE CRASHES QB PITCH BUT THE CB IS COMING
    THERE A PILE N THE MIDDLE CUZ WE CHOPPED EVERYONE

    question do they do the rolling start when they pass
    u dont like chopping thats cool
    there’s no such thing as a fair fight

    if ur fight a 300lbs dude make his knees weak the giant cant support his on weight and fear comes over his face
    he’s out of his realm he’s never been in this situation b4 u may even c a tear run from his eye
    ANIT NO FUN WHEN THE RABBIT GOT THE GUN

  • pirate football

    wow this is so funny im loving it though, talking football is fun, i have read some good points but panther4 i really dont c dls goin with the 4 wr set much and especially doin the option out of that

    chalktalk
    i think i get what ur really saying, play assignment d vs the option and no matter what the do hit them n the mouth, that is how u take out a bully

    bval expert
    good point bout the de

    if u want to beat dls u have to match the coaching, work ethic that starts n december not august as a team and staff, coach the fundamentals, discipline and execute. dls dont run a whole lot of things on both sides of the ball u know what they go do, they just excute and play so hard as a team

  • http://aol BigJoe

    OK Panther 4, here’s my point. DLS gets students from all over- 1000 to be exact. Logan and BHS get 2000 male students from all over their area, BHS from Oakland, El Cerrito, etc. Logan from all over the HAAL. That’s 2000 vs. 1000. Now the stats are how many of those males play sports? DLS was at 50-60 % at one time. Not sure of BHS and Logan, but it must be fairly close- Logan had close to 100 on track several years back, if kids aren’t coming out, then get some organization and parental involvement for those who have the capabilites. School is FREE, it shouldn’t be an economical issue if the parent(s) are raising the kids right.

  • http://ibabuzz.com PERKIN

    Good point on Logan & B-High. Logan really doesn’t get very good athletes atleast prior to this year. Difference in B-HIgh & DLS is B-High has kids that live in Berkeley & HAVE to attend Berkeley. DLS you have to I’m sure pass a test & pay. Different dynamic. Your gonna get kids with better work ethics & more willing to do everything Coaches want cause they pay to attend DLS & pass a test to attend. They’re gona be at all the off-season stuff & weightrooms & I’m sure that parents are making sure also.

    B-High is getting the kids from the neighborhood that may not have those same ethics. A lot of kids probably fom single parent families. Its a lot harder. They pasted no test to attend B-High. They don’t pay every year. That rolls into a good portion of football players. Not all Ricky Galvin I heard was a very motivated player I’m sure there are others. Just my opinion.

  • Logan Alum

    I’m so tired of the “Logan has 2000 students, they should be better than they are” argument. Go walk the campus sometime. Things have changed there is the last 15 years. Average logan male is filipino/asian and 5’4″, buck thirty soaking wet. The pool of potential football players is FAAAARRRRRR less than Berkeley and even De La Salle for that matter.

  • BVAL Expert

    Chalk talk- I think the choping at the legs is a good idea on run plays no doubt.. Thats the way to attack bigger lineman..

    What you can do is stunt (3-5-3 defense) the Play side outside linebacker switching responsibilities with the DE… OLB having the QB as soon as he sees the qb meshing with the rb he should automatically run to the line of scrimmage but at a angle waiting for the QB to keep it, maybe turn up field.. so the play side tackle wont be able to block him because it would be difficult blocking if hes running away from him in an angle. and then you would have that safety at the line of scrimmage that will be take the pitch.. so it would look like

    DE-RB
    OLB-QB
    Safety-Pitch

    If you have a really good and smart defense you can switch the responsibilities making it hard for the offense to make their reads

    For example:

    Saftey- QB
    DE-RB
    OLB- PItch

    But if i was playing against DE LA Salle i would keep it simple

  • pirate football

    @perkin
    not sure where you been but logan has had atheletes for a long time, rb jacki crooks c/o 96 went to rutgers roy williams c/o 98 i think went to oklahoma nfl, nate robinson u of washington nba thats just to name aa few, logan has over 4000, they get kids from all over but what i hear is that it is much harder to get now if u dont live in the district

    @logan alum
    ur right logan doesnt have the many of big kids they used to like angelo jeffrey big paul driver c/o 95 but i think the coaches are doing well with the kids they are gettin now