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East Bay prep football poll – 10/25
By Ben Enos
Tuesday, October 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm in East Bay Football, East Bay Poll.
| Team | Record | Points | Last week |
| 1. De La Salle (7) | 6-1 | 105 | 1 |
| 2. James Logan | 7-0 | 98 | 2 |
| 3. San Ramon Valley | 6-1 | 91 | 3 |
| 4. California | 6-1 | 84 | 4 |
| 5. Encinal | 6-1 | 77 | 5 |
| 6. Campolindo | 8-0 | 66 | 9 |
| 7. Salesian | 7-0 | 61 | 8 |
| 8. Pittsburg | 5-3 | 48 | 6 |
| 9. Freedom | 6-1 | 47 | 10 |
| 10. Deer Valley | 4-3 | 46 | NR |
| 11. Concord | 5-2 | 34 | 13 |
| 12. Miramonte | 7-1 | 27 | 7 |
| 13. Las Lomas | 6-1 | 23 | t11 |
| 14. Berkeley | 4-3 | 16 | 14 |
| 15. Monte Vista | 3-4 | 11 | t11 |
Also receiving votes: Bishop O’Dowd (5-2, 6 points). The East Bay Football Poll is voted on by the prep sports staff of Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
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October 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
1. De La Salle- Talent not as strong this year.
2. James Logan- Havent been tested yet but clear cut #2
3. San Ramon Valley- Kline is carrying this team on his back.
4. Encinal- They always seem to have a tough team
5. California- Over Rated?
6. Campolindo- Big win last week. Will they get past Las Lomas?
7. Salesian- Too bad they won’t play any high caliber teams with this senior group
8. Deer Valley- Good win last week
9. Pittsburg- Always seem to let you down.
10. Concord- Rising again after slow start
11. Freedom- Need a win this week against Deer Valley to jump up the board.
12. Miramonte- Wade will know everything about this team when the face each other. Could have 2 losses.
13. Las Lomas- Will they get it done in D-2? Working for three way tie in DFAL
14. Monte Vista- Very down year. Hopefully they can end on high note
15. BOD- Over rated but will win the HAAL
October 25th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
It looks pretty clear that the 7 voters agree on the top 7 spots with the top 5 being unanimous, separated by 7 points each. Campo moved up to #6 after their huge win over arch rival Miramonte, and then undefeated Salesian moves up to #7.
Then it gets dicey, with the triumvirate of Pitt-Freedom-DV all separated by just 2 points in a vurtual deadlock. Should Pitt win this week (which I think they will), I still think they’ll get passed up by the winner of the DV-Freedom game as DV would be in 1st place in the BVAL and had beaten Pitt; or Freedom would be at 7-1 with a huge win over DV. Still, since Pitt beat Freedom you just never know but the Berkeley loss still haunts Pitt. Great competition in the league makes it fun to follow.
Monte Vista slips to #15 and if they lose to AV this week (Calpreps has AV favored), they would be in grave danger of not making the playoffs. They need to win 2 of their last 3 and still have Foothill & SRV left.
Speaking of playoffs, the top 3 EBAL teams (DLS, SRV & Cal) are already in with 6 wins apiece. 3-4 MV must win 2 of their last 3. 4-3 AV just needs 1 win but they face MV, Cal & Foothill so that is not a sure thing. 3-4 Livermore needs 2 more wins, and both Granada and Foothill at 2-5 would need to run the table. Granada still faces DLS so they obviously have the hardest road.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Logan will reign NCS Champion this year. DLS is on there down year, and Logan is having one of their best.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Windsor better than Concord, Miramonte and Las Lomas and should be in top 10
October 25th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
@ post 3,
Just curious; who did Logan play in their pre season? Toughest opponent?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
SnG, Foothill or Heritage would be their stiffest competition if you go by Calpreps OR point differential. Foothill’s 2-5, Logan beat them 13-9, and Heritage is 4-3, Logan beat them 42-28.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Foothill is currently the 6th place team in the EBAL and that will be the toughest opponent for Logan per Calpreps until they hit the playoffs. Foothill may not even make the playoffs.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Got it! Wasn’t sure if they had played some SJS teams or WCAL that would have given Logan some early season tests..For the DLS faithful, I saw Joe Te’o getting some carries today over at Winton, in addition, Pepe will be back this Friday. My Spartans are getting healthy! Also, saw that Barton is a Butkus award semi finalist (top 15 out of 150 initially selected)
October 25th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
logan gets destroyed by dls. no competition. if heritage can put up 28 on logan, dls would put 150 pts. get real…
October 25th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Da key n d1 ncs is 2 b a 2,3,6,or 7 seed n avoid de la. Cal will probably b a 4 seed n da bval champ a 5 seed so there done. Srv beats logan n da semi’s 27-20
October 25th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
With all due respect to the voters, SRV’s ratings (44.6) eclipse Logan’s, which has the same- 36.8 to 36.9- as Cal’s. Logans SOS is 3.9 to Cal’s 20.6, with SRV at 29. If Logan wins out and Cal gets a loss, they could still be similar (depends on how all their opponents do) in rating, but Logan’s SOS will most definetely be moving down, while Cal’s will go up. For NCS and the fact some leagues are oh so weak, the cal preps/Freeman formulas cannot be ignored.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
I have to asumme that NCS will have 16 seeds for D1? 16 v 1 seed! What a joke!
October 26th, 2011 at 12:28 am
Since there’s only 3 weeks left in the regular season, let’s have some fun and project the playoffs. Obviously lots can change, but here’s my crack at it with my rationale.
D-I
Already qualified – DLS, SRV, Freedom, Logan, Cal, Pitt, Berkeley, Antioch
Likely to qualify – Amador Valley, Deer Valley, San Leandro, Castro Valley, Irvington
Right now, I don’t see Monte Vista getting in, since they’ll have to win two of their remaining games, including either SRV or Amador Valley on the road.
My prediction for the seedings/first round:
BYE vs. #1 DLS
BYE vs. #2 SRV
BYE vs. #3 Logan
#13 Irvington vs. #4 California
#12 Castro Valley @ #5 Deer Valley
#11 Antioch @ #6 San Leandro
#10 Amador Valley @ #7 Berkeley
#9 Freedom @ #8 Pittsburg
I have SRV over undefeated Logan since they’ve played a much tougher schedule. Most of the seedings after that come from head to head. Freedom beat Amador Valley, Pitt beat Freedom, Berkeley beat Pitt and San Leandro beat Berkeley. Deer Valley doesn’t have a loss anywhere near as bad as SL’s loss to Tennyson, so they get the 5 seed.
Predicted NCS Championship Game – De La Salle vs. San Ramon Valley
October 26th, 2011 at 12:28 am
D-II
Already qualified – Windsor, Concord, Las Lomas, Rancho Cotate, Casa Grande, Washington, Newark Memorial, Arroyo, Pinole Valley, Redwood, Hayward, Alameda
Likely to qualify – College Park, Dublin, Clayton Valley, Montgomery, Ukiah, American
With a projected 18 qualified teams, two wouldn’t get invited. I left out Alameda, who is already guaranteed to finish the season under .500, and Hayward, who will also likely end up under .500 and whose three wins come against opponents with a combined record of 2-19.
My prediction for the seedings/first round
#16 Redwood @ #1 Windsor
#15 American @ #2 Concord
#14 Pinole Valley @ #3 Las Lomas
#13 Arroyo @ #4 Rancho Cotate
#12 Newark Memorial @ #5 College Park
#11 Ukiah @ #6 Dublin
#10 Washington @ #7 Casa Grande
#9 Montgomery @ #8 Clayton Valley
There are some head to head problems in D-II. Ukiah beat Casa Grande, Casa Grande beat Montgomery and Montgomery beat Ukiah. No matter what you do, somebody’s going to gripe that “they shouldn’t be seeded higher than us.” I have Casa Grande behind College Park and Dublin because of two “bad” losses to Ukiah and to El Molino (who probably won’t even make the D-IV playoffs).
Predicted NCS Championship game – Windsor vs. Casa Grande
October 26th, 2011 at 12:29 am
D-III
Already qualified – Marin Catholic, Cardinal Newman, Campo, Novato, Miramonte, BOD, Eureka, Encinal, El Cerrito, Del Norte, Tamalpais, Tennyson, Drake, Hercules
Likely to qualify – Analy, San Marin, Sonoma Valley, Kennedy (Richmond)
I really think the D-III playoffs are going to be intriguing. There is a legitimate chance that 7 different league champs (including the ACCAL if El Cerrito runs the table) will be in this bracket. There are likely to be two qualified teams that won’t be selected. Since the committee took a couple of 4-6 teams last year over 6-3-1 Moreau last year, I think they’re going to be looking at strength of schedule, so I’ve left out Hercules (who might end up with the softest 8-2 record in history) and Kennedy, who is a stretch to qualify, having to beat Piedmont in the season finale just to get there.
My prediction for the seedings/first round
#16 Sonoma Valley @ #1 Marin Catholic
#15 Drake @ #2 Campolindo
#14 San Marin @ #3 Cardinal Newman
#13 Tamalpais @ #4 Encinal
#12 Tennyson @ #5 Novato
#11 Analy @ #6 Bishop O’Dowd
#10 El Cerrito @ #7 Eureka
#9 Del Norte @ #8 Miramonte
I seeded the two teams with unblemished records at the top, and Marin Catholic #1 based on a tougher schedule than Campolindo. Cardinal Newman’s tie with Palma drops them to #3, and Encinal’s overtime loss to Serra drops them to 34. I have Novato over Bishop O’Dowd based on tougher schedule and a head-to-head win over Eureka drops the Loggers to #7. D-III is so stacked that Miramonte’s first loss (albeit a blowout) drops them all the way to #8, earning them a visit from Del Norte, who gets the 9 seed over El Cerrito thanks to a more impressive “best win” over Ferndale. Analy gets the 11 seed to avoid the ugly prospect of a BOD/Tennyson rematch, and both get the nod over Tamalpais who has a couple of questionable losses. That leaves San Marin at 14 (nice win over Acalanes, who could sneak in with another win and screw up these seedings), Drake at 15 (better win over Justin-Siena) and Sonoma Valley at 16.
Predicted NCS Championship game – Marin Catholic vs. Cardinal Newman
October 26th, 2011 at 12:29 am
D-IV
Already qualified – Salesian, Fortuna, Healdsburg, Ferndale, Valley Christian, St. Helena, Justin-Siena, St. Mary’s, Berean Christian, Willits, Arcata
Likely to qualify – Moreau Catholic, Middletown, McKinleyville, Clear Lake, Ft. Bragg
What a difference a year makes. It looks like 16 teams will qualify for the D-IV playoffs after only 13 made it last year, and that doesn’t include SPSV, who failed to qualify for the first time in a long time.
My prediction for the seedings/first round
#16 Ft. Bragg @ #1 Salesian
#15 Clear Lake @ #2 Ferndale
#14 McKinleyville @ #3 Fortuna
#13 Middletown @ #4 Healdsburg
#12 Arcata @ #5 St. Helena
#11 Moreau Catholic @ #6 Berean Christian
#10 St. Mary’s @ #7 Valley Christian
#9 Justin-Siena @ #8 Willits
At least head-to-head is more straightforward in D-IV. Salesian seems like a no-brainer #1 seed. Ferndale beat Fortuna, who beat Healdsburg, so they slot into 2-4 nicely. I know St. Helena is undefeated, but since they haven’t played anybody yet and are coming off a losing season last year, I can’t quite buy them above any of the top 4 teams, which is why I have them at #5. Berean Christian beat Valley Christian, so they clearly deserve to be seeded higher. Willits probably finishes no worse than 8-2 (and possibly 9-1), so it’s hard to drop them much lower than #8. Justin-Siena beat St. Mary’s, who beat Moreau, so they all slot into 9-11 pretty well. Arcata beat McKinleyville, and Middletown beat Ft. Bragg, and you could probably pull any of those last four teams out of a hat.
Predicted NCS Championship Game – Salesian vs. Ferndale
October 26th, 2011 at 12:50 am
I see Pittsburg at #8 were is Mack? Coach Mac???
October 26th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Wow look at D-3 compared to D-2 , No matter of fact look at D-3 compared to D1 WIthout DLS, Winner of D3, Ill give you some good advice, start looking for hotels in Carson cause My god thats a gauntlet!.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Hs football fan i like your breakdown of d3 but i cant see novato getting that high of a seed there league is soft marin catholic killed them there the only good team in mcal. Campo will lose to las lomas is my prediction also. Hs football fan you still like cardinal newman without there q.b to make it to the ship? My top 8 seeds 1-marin 2-cnewman 3-encinal 4-campo 5-bod 6-miramonte 7-el cerrito 8-novato
October 26th, 2011 at 7:39 am
@HS Football Fan, thanks….
I pretty much agree with your rankings and rationale. I see your D4 championship has Salesian/Ferndale. The Pride put 76 points on them last year and won by 50. What a waste of a good senior class. Could they have made some noise in D3 if they had petitioned up?
October 26th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Logan won’t make the finals.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Nice job on the breakdown HS Football Fan. D1 I totally agree with everything except I see MV winning 2 of those 3 games. They play a weak Foothill team and Amador who is not that great.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:56 am
D 1 playoffs are very watered down. I see top 4 seeds advancing without breaking a sweat. That would mean De La v Cal and SR v Logan. Does not matter how those 2,3, and 4 teams are seeded.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Opps sorry it does matter if your in the 4 spot because you get De La in the semis. I meant to say it doesnt matter if you are 2 or 3. It could be #2 SR # 3 Logan or vice verse.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:33 am
HS f ball,
Good breakdown, i do agree with Spark that MV will squeak in for D1….
October 26th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Rankings look good, funny thing to me is I feel like Monte Vista beats 11-14 head to head without question but you can’t rank them any higher because of their record. It is hard to make a poll with teams from different divisions.
October 26th, 2011 at 10:24 am
HS Football Fan,
Good analysis! My only disagreements are with the D2 finals. Casa Grande isn’t that good! Concord, though not as good as last year, will be in the finals based on your brackets. If Las Lomas can beat Campo in DFAL, then I would pick Las Lomas over Concord and Casa to go to the finals against Windsor, but I don’t think Las Lomas will beat Campo. Also, Rancho Cotate could upset Windsor, but I agree that Windsor is the better bet. Windsor should take it all!
With D3, I agree with ManDown that Novato @ 5 and Eureka @ 7 appear seeded to high. My only other comment is that even with a soft schedule, an 8-2 Hercules team should be included at the expense of Sonoma Valley or maybe Drake/San Marin/Tam…one of those. To get 8-2, Hercules will have to beat Pinole Valley or El Cerrito, so not that soft and its not as if the Marin teams I mention above have beaten very good competition.
Also, Fortuna beats Ferndale to go against Salesian (where they will be destroyed!)
October 26th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Nice breakdowns HS Football Fan.
Spark, how can you say the top 4 teams will not break a sweat? Aside from DLS, just about every game in the EBAL has been close this year. SRV barely beat Granada in the final minute and Cal just squeeked by Livermore last week. It will also be interesting to see how Logan does once they get past the 1st round and start playing some good teams for the first time in months. I see a lot of sweat, except for De La.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hs football fan, Nice breakdowns of all the divisions.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:19 am
@Prep Fan
Just my opinion. D1 is watered down. Going off HS Football Fans breakdown, SR,DLS,and Logan get 1st round byes. No sweat. Cal plays Irvington. No sweat. Round 2 – DLS plays Free/Pitt. No sweat. Logan plays Amador/ Berk. No sweat. SRV plays Ant/SL. No sweat. Cal plays DV. Sweat band may be needed. So I will give ya a little sweat droplet.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Pretty funny stuff Spark. I agree with your no sweat analysis. The only way I see a team not rolling in the second round is if somehow Pitt isn’t the 8/9 seed. They are always dangerous in the playoffs, unless they are playing De La.
One huge gripe I have in the NCS playoffs is how league champs get home games regardless of seeds. Especially when a team plays in a league full of chumps. It seems foolish that a 3 seed play a road game before the semi’s but it seems to inevitably happen year in and year out.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Fair enough. If Foothill and MV both don’t make the field there very well may be less sweat involved than usual.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I agree with ya on that one Prep. I do see MV getting in and maybe causing someone a headache. Love to see those SR-MV match ups in playoffs. That could be interesting. Dont see foothill making it. Their O is not good at all
October 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
hs football fan how can you not have kempers team in the playoffs? Shit rochlin made playoffs 3 out of 4 seasons the funny thing is when kemper writes why they should get in he’ll talk about they played the jets but he’ll blog there overated you know he aint gonna talk about his d2 wins that make the eligiable san lorenzo & richmond. Kemper really sold the hiring committee the man should sell cars for a living or sell knives like the one he put in coach rock back!
October 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Good job HS Football Fan!
Div – II
Dougherty Valley has already qualified with their 2nd Div – II win coming against Oakland (reported enrollment of 1807). Their game against Dublin in the last week will most likely earn one of them a first round home game.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
De La Salle is horrible this year. They are not giving EBAL teams a beating. They are winning by small margins. This De La Salle team reminds me of the early 90′s when they have a few losses here and there.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Opps I mean 2000′s when they almost lost to SL and tied with other schools.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Jacketfan, are you smokin crack? I’m pretty sure that there will never be a horrible De La Salle team. Are you a Berkeley fan? Hopefully you’ll get a shot at their horribleness in the playoffs. I have to give your comment a definate LOL!
October 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I am not smoking anything. I am just stating a fact that DLS isn’t a good team this year. You can’t expect a team to be good year after year. Even if they win NCS this year, they will get destroyed in the State game.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I’m not a DLS fan or anything, but I think it is funny to hear people say DLS is “horrible” and “winning by small margins”. OK, they lost to the best team in the nations and won in OT against a top 10 NorCal team, but then everyone else they beat by 35, 62, 36, 35, 21. Wasn’t the MV 21-point victory without several key offensive players? I wouldn’t mind playing for a team that was “struggling” like that.
Aren’t they also getting back some of their injured offensive weapons? Maybe then they will start winning by their usual margins of 80 or 90 points!
I would actually like to see SRV beat DLS to get some variety in the D1 ranks, but I’d have to admit that statistically I don’t see much of a drop-off in DLSs productivity.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Jacketfan, how about rewording your statement? DLS is not as good as they have been in previous years. Maybe? Saying they are not a good team at all is absurd.
October 26th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I agree with the Top 15, well done
October 26th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
I thought to have a .500 or better record against teams in a division for the playoffs they have to be against teams in the N.C.S. Dougherty Valley can’t use their win against Oakland as a DII win because they are in a different section. could I be wrong?
October 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Dougherty can use the Oakland win for its Div. II record. When you play an out of section team, you can look at that school’s enrollment and find the equivalent NCS division and count that for your division record. Oakland’s enrollment is the equivalent of Division II, so it goes in DV’s Div. II record.
Kennedy-Fremont in the past has used Balboa as a game to count for its Division III record. In some years, that was the lone game it played against a D-3 sized team so it basically came down to beating Balboa would make JFK playoff eligible.
October 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
De La Salle will make it to state. To expect them to win state every year …please be real. Even in a quote off year..they are still a good program and good team. They thrive on adversity over at Spartanville…nothing like a good challenge. NorCal football has greatly benefited on the accomplishments of Sparty. Many programs have tried to move to that next step in improving own programs by studying what DLS does on and off the field.
October 26th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
I agree that to say DLS is horrible is absurd. They have handled all their games this year besides Bellarmine and STA fairly easily. This team may not be better than last year’s team, but I would not bet any of my money against them.
I know they have had more than their usual amount of injuries this year, but every team has a lot of injuries at this point in the season. MV and Granada lost ther top receivers in the preseason, and although I’m sure this has affected their competitiveness, I have not heard this used as excuses in their having down years. DLS is far deeper than most teams anyway and can withstand injuries to key players that most teams would not be able to. I don’t think it hurts them as bad in NorCal games as it does with national powers such as STA, but they probably had some injuries too.
Lonewolf, I agree with you that to expect DLS to win state very year may not be realistic, but I guarantee you that they expect to win state every year. It is a different mindset. They do make other teams better that try to get competitive with them.
October 26th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
If Logan goes undefeated, they will be ranked #2 regardless of weak schedule or not. u play with the hand that you are dealt with. yeah the MVAL is a week league and nobody expected teams like Foothill to have down year and for SL and Heritage to have sub par season so far.But they are beating the teams that they are supposed to beat matter of fact destroying them with the exception of foothill, who is better than their record indicates. It doesn’t look good on the surface, but what can u do?
October 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Thanks for the info Jimmy
October 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
UC Rancher, Logan will most likely remain ranked #2 in the Times poll if they remain undefeated like you say. But that doesn’t mean they will necessarily get the #2 seed at NCS. They probably will, but the NCS committee has been known to use the CalPreps ratings as part of their seeding process. Right now, Logan is rated 4th among NCS D1 teams behind DLS, SRV & Freedom, just a hair in front of Cal. All those teams have tougher strength of schedule for the remainder of the regular season, so Logan could still drop further even if they win out. Again, I think they’ll probably get the #2 seed, but it is not cast in stone, and if they don’t don’t it will surely be the result of their weak schedule.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
This week predictions: berkeley 34 pinole 20 el cerrito 34 hercules 19 de la 41 srv 21 san leandro 31 arroyo 20 encinal 41 st.marys 13 valley christian 27 salesian 21
October 26th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
There is no way u can have two potential two loss teams ranked ahead of a undefeated league champion. That is not fair and makes the case 4 a flawed system. There would be such an uproar if that were 2 happen.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
The flawed system is that a school the size of Logan is in a league with D2 & D3 schools that are less than half their size.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
I never knew teams could count non NCS games for sectional wins. If Dougherty Valley is qualified and finishes at 5-5 by getting a win over Dublin, they would definitely go (knocking out either Redwood or American, my money might be on American since history has shown that the Redwood Empire schools seem to get the benefit of the doubt) and would change the seedings (since they should get seeded above Dublin if they beat them). If they qualify with a 4-6 record, I don’t know if they would get picked.
We’ll see soon enough if I have Novato and Eureka ranked too high, but I don’t think they would fall behind O’Dowd, who doesn’t have a win that’s any more impressive than either team. Maybe Miramonte gets seeded above them all, even though it won’t matter much since they won’t likely be the league champ and will have to go on the road to play a league champ.
If Monte Vista beats Amador Valley and qualifies as a 5-5 team, I would slot them as the 10 seed (above Amador Valley and avoiding a rematch with Pitt in the first round).
I picked Cardinal Newman for the title game because I think their defense can handle O’Dowd and Campo and their QB will have gotten enough reps to take care of business.
As for Logan getting the 2 seed instead of the 3 seed (which won’t really matter since they would host SRV either way as MVAL champs), there’s plenty of precedent in NCS of seeding a team with a better record lower than a team with a worse record who played a tougher schedule. Last year, 9-1 O’Dowd was the 7 seed behind 7-3 teams like Cardinal Newman and Alhambra. In 2007, an undefeated Del Norte team was a 3 seed behind 9-1 Healdsburg. I don’t see how the committee seeds Logan, whose most impressive result is a 13-9 win over 2-5 Foothill over SRV, who has not only beaten that same Foothill by 14, but also beat one of the best teams in the CCS (Mitty) and who likely will end up with losses to two of the defending state bowl teams.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
whats going on at arroyo did the junior become senior
or did all those junior leave are they injured
i thought they would win the HAAL
October 26th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
lol.. doesnt matter who you recruit if you cant coach em!
October 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
# 50 Dudley….VC 27 – Salesian 21…you’re kidding, right? More likely: Salesian 55 – VC 7. The only way VC stays close is if they materially win the turnover battle and that team has been much more turnover prone than the Pride. I do hope you are right though that it will be competitive. I do agree with your other picks, although your ACCAL scores will be more onesided.
October 26th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
I believe there has been some changes 2 the NCS playoff system regarding the seeding process since then.League champs r seeded higher than teams who r not. As 4 SRV being seeded higher than Logan , if Logan blows out the same Washington team that SRV had a problem with, u bet that will factor into the seeding process. As 4 Logan playing with D2 and D3 schools n their league, what do u want them 2 do? Petition 2 go 2 another league? This ain’t NCAA ya know.
October 26th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
NO SALESIANS LOSE ARE YOU KIDDING, you mind as well pencil them in as the D4 champs.
October 26th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
By the way, who did SRV lose 2?
October 26th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
SRV’s loss was to Folsom, though they’ll probably also end up with a second loss to De La Salle. NCS has not changed their seeding process. Last year Logan was the MVAL champ and was the 10th seed behind six different EBAL teams.
October 27th, 2011 at 4:47 am
@ Jimmy or Ben
When was the last time someone outside of DLS recieved a #1 vote? Is that something you could look up?
October 27th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Logan was the 6th seed. Not the tenth.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:32 am
DLS never looks ahead. They do not expect to win state. The go into each game expecting to play an excellent well executed game. They play 1 game at a time. They do not look ahead..the task at hand is each Friday. They do not dwell on the past other than you play for a program that has history and to practice & play in a manner that respects that history. Each team has its own set of personnel and personality the coaches at DLS understand that and help mold those teams into great teams.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:51 am
HS football fan
There are 5 division playoffs in NCS. Where’s your Div. 5 breakdown?
October 27th, 2011 at 9:49 am
#61 I think it was 10-11 the year monte vista and bret notingham played DLS they were ranked ahead of DLS , but still lost that game, thats the last time i remember DLS being second on the polls, but quickly earned the ranking back at number 1
October 27th, 2011 at 9:58 am
I agree with a lot of people arguing SRV deserves the #2 seed ahead of logan. But I also agree that if they go undefeated they will get the #2 seed. SRV will most likely have 2 losses and that will be too much to overcome…Everyone is commenting on how low Logan was seeded last year after winning the MVAL..but they didn’t go 10-0, so argument is pointless.
Logan has 3 solid wins in san leandro, foothill, and heritage…while they don’t trump SRV’s mitty and cal they aren’t bad. I do think the washington vs logan game could be influential. if logan handles washington then they will without a doubt be the #2 seed. if they have a close one as SRV did vs washington could make a littl emore interesting since the other common opponent being foothill sides with SRV. Either way i believe logan will be the #2 seed barring a loss of course.
but like others said who cares..logan would have home field advantage anyways and both get to avoid DLS until championship. cal is the one that loses out in the whole situation as they become the unquestioned #4 if they only lose to DLS going out.
yes i agree calpreps is weighted although they will always deny it. but calpreps isn’t perfect, because no way does freedom deserve to be that high considering the loss they took to pitt. freedom would have some beef for the #4 seed w cal if they can win out, but that is it. pitt has some real good wins but some losses as well..so they have shown to be dangerous yet inconsistent.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:08 am
here is my d1 breakdown…
#1 – DLS
#2 – Logan
#3 – SRV
#4 – Cal
#5 – Freedom
#6 – Pittsburgh
#7 – Deer Valley
#8 – AV
#9 – Monte Vista
#10 – Heritage
#11 – Berkeley
#12 – Antioch
#13 – San Leandro
#14 – Castro Valley (must beat mt eden and hayward)
#15 – Irvington (needs to beat kennedy to qualify)
at this point foothill, livermore, and granada has their backs against the wall to make it. i really don’t see any of them qualifying, but would be surprised if 1 did..even AV could find themselves not qualifying should they lose out which wouldn’t be shocking either.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:15 am
UC Rancher, here’s the brackets from last year:
http://www.cifncs.org/sports/football/files/RESULTS/2010/FBdiv1BRACKETdoc.pdf
10th seeded Logan (the MVAL champ) lost to 7th seeded Berkeley in the first round.
Time will tell if Logan gets the 2 over the 3 seed. While it likely won’t mean much, it could very well be the difference between a first round bye or a first round game vs. Irvington (if Monte Vista qualifies), so it’s not entirely meaningless. I’ll stand by my prediction, but I wouldn’t bet money on it…
As for D-V, since it looks like the only East Bay team that will qualify is CSD, and they’re almost certainly going to have to go on the road for all of their playoff games against Redwood Empire teams (in fact, there probably will only be 5 teams that qualify at all), I don’t predict that they’ll win it all.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@57 Logan is tip-toeing in. They could have signed stronger home and home preseasons but HC did not duplicate what he’s done every year since starting in 06. All knew Foothill would be down these past two years when Mannion departed and they had no skill standouts in the pipeline. Heavy dose of MV? Not for a fifth year. Deer Valley, Jackets, Pitt? Too dangerous so done there. Instead it’s Arroyo, SL and a Heritage team that was 6-5 in 09 and blown out by many, for 10/11. Hmmm. BUT, they’re 10-0! …with a SOS that will be one of the lowest EVER in Nor Cal history of top TEN seeds. Even Castro Valley had quadruple the SOS last year that Logan ends up with this year. Their SOS is only higher than (2-5) Santa Rosa, Irvington and MSJ of D1 schools in the top 20 of NCS. Second undefeated season but unlike 07, (MV-Berk-Pitt preseason)deserving of a high seed with ONE (2-5) EBAL team preseason?
October 27th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Logan very well could run the table this year and beat DLS to win NCS, as they are set up perfectly with their current undefeated record and #2 ranking. If they are as good as some are saying and DLS is really “horrible”, then it shouldn’t be much of a problem right?
But they could just as easily get knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round of playoffs. Their best win this year was against 2-5 Foothill, and they only managed to score 13 points in that game. Logan’s strength is supposed to be their offense, but if a team that is struggling to even make the playoffs can hold them to 13 points and they haven’t played any decent teams in months, they could just be ripe for an upset.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:35 am
logan never gets any love on these blogs
October 27th, 2011 at 11:39 am
wonder why
October 27th, 2011 at 11:40 am
if i remember correctly logan denied Encinal of a game too this season
October 27th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Truth, your preaching 2 the choir. Guess logan gonna have 2 prove a lot of people wrong. Even they do make it 2 the championship n even beat DLS, they’ll find something 2 hold it against them. Pretty sad but true.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
UC Rancher, yea but I’m not worried about logan. they don’t care what all these blogs say about them, they just go out and get the job done whether its blowing a team out or winning by one point
October 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
A lot of responses to post #3 proclaiming that Logan will win it all. It is not hate, just a lot of doubt about that statement with a team that has not really been tested. They were 8-2 last season and MVAL champs, but seeded lower at #10 than 7th seeded 7-3 Berkeley who beat them soundly in a game at Logan. Logan is a good team, but there are serious questions just how good they might be.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Lonewolf re: #63, I didn’t meant to imply that DLS will look past any of their opponents. That is not their M.O. Only that one of their goals is to win state every year, and that they expect to reach that goal, one game at a time. That school/football program has extremely high expectations. Sometimes they reach them, and sometimes not, but it is not for lack of expectatons or preparation.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Remember last years team was full of juniors and sophomores who weren’t even picked 2 not only win their league but go 5-5 at best and they ended up winning league. So what somebody says they’ll win it all? What’s it 2 anybody. Going into this season, they were one of the favorites 2 meet DLS n the championship game n they have so far lived up 2 the hype.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
while i have supported logan with the #2 seed..i agree talkiing about them winning an NCS championship is just plain dumb…DLS runs D1 and until someone in east bay beats them, really ignorant on anyone’s part to say they will win D1…if you had a million dollars on the line tell me one person anywhere that would bet against DLS to win it…
logan doesnt have to win a championship to prove the doubters wrong..just make the championship that will prove enough and show they deserve what they got. i dont know if logan is better than the 07 team, but they are definately better than the last few. logan has to win playoff games to be considered an elite program, something they haven’t done in a while.
here is a stat for you..over the last 5 years…logan has won 4 MVAL championships…washingont has won 1…over that span washington has more playoff D1 wins than logan (2 to 1) and get this they have only spent 2 of those 5 years in D1. and i am just comparing a league team to them..obviously throw the ebal teams into this argument and their 1 playoff win looks even worse.
so while i agree logan is good this year, and maybe being underrated at this point…the doubters have a point based on logan’s past playoff history..i personally believe they will make the semi’s at the very least..but the SRV game if that is who the play will be a good game and could go either way.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Dude seriously? U gonna compare playoff wins ( 2 to 1 at that) to prove that Logan is not elite program. That proves nothing. By the way Logan is an ELITE program and has been 4 quite awhile. They were elite before their current coach Zuber came aboard ( Fromson, Quisenberry ). If some people would take their heads out of the EBAL’s u know what and look around ,people around here would notice that.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@78- MV and Pitt were right there too after week 1. Galli didn’t blink. He took on two EBAL schools (MV, Foothill) and beat them both…by more than 4 points. If Zuber had done that (his home and home contracts after 1 league loss in the last three years include Arroyo/SL/Heritage?!), it would be impossible to question the placement of a #2/3. But he didn’t and one cannot explain out of that with this years preseason. Probably inherited his preseason back in ’06, but that was two cycles ago. The HC deals the cards starting in season 4 at the latest so there is no excuse now at season 6. If they make the final, they’ve earned it. If there’s a Nor Cal shocker along the way, well, I think we’d all smile and wish that team the best of luck in selection for Carson.
October 27th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
“Elite programs of many years” have the option (obligation?) of dialing it up. This years unimpressive preseason schedule does not reflect that. Both points stated @81. If Logan’s signature win is over a 2-5, 1-3 down-year-for-sure Foothill then I think “successful program” is more accurate, and is not shameful. Pitt beat Foothill by two TD’s AND shut them out, so that does not make Logan elite this year, yet. And should not guarantee them the 2 or 3, yet.
October 27th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Foothill’s only bad loss this season was 2 SRV ( not gonna count DLS, cause that could b any team).The loss 2 Pitt could have gone either way. They have a very good defense n if their offense wouldn’t let them down at times they could easily b 4-3. “Elite” might have been 2 strong of a word 2 describe their program but if u look at their body of work the last 15 years, they have been among the best football programs in the area. Their last losing season I believe was ’99. That says a lot about a program because 2 be among the best n the area year n year out is no easy task.
October 27th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Foothill’s 2-5 and it’s only wins have come against D3 Novato 26-16, and 2-5 Granada 35-0. You say playoffs mean nothing, but they mean everything. Since Calpreps started saving results, Logan is 3-10 in the playoffs, for a win percentage of 23%. Elite programs don’t have 23% win percentages in the playoffs. During that span they’re 2-5 against the EBAL, 2-7 if you count DLS in 01 and 05. They’ve also been outscored 419-265. They’re a great league team, no one can deny that, but they’re not elite. At least not until they prove it when it matters most, the playoffs.
October 27th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
elite my a$$ they wouldnt even beat Windsor D2 alone have a shot at beating DLS…..they beat Heritage by 14 points, Windsor rolled up that same squad by 35 and only gave up 3 points…..Logan a good solid team? Yup…..elite Nor Cal team?? Not quite homie
October 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Whatever doubters. Like I said before Logan can’t win even if they do win. The disrespect of the program has been going on long before Zuber. More like when Fromson was running things. They will get to championship game. Mark my words. They are that good.If they don’t, ill be the first one to be on this board and eat crow.
October 27th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
@Sucka, u need 2 put down the pipe if u think Windsor could beat DLS. Come up D1, then will talk.
October 27th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
I don’t think he was saying that Windsor would beat De La Salle, just that they would be better than any team in D1 other than De La Salle. Agree or disagree, it is a definite reality that the top two or three teams in D1 (without De La Salle), D2, and D3 could all play each other and they would all be good close games. If it weren’t for De La Salle it might be awesome to have an NCS Open Division just for the incredible games it would allow for.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Windsor is the real deal! Could play with anyone..
October 27th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
U C Rancher…Logan is good! But that’s it…they are not a great team that can compete with teams like DLS or even San Ramon. Heritage is not very good this year and was still in the game….take away the kick return for td and it was tight. I like Logan but I don’t think they really scare anyone???
October 27th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Interesting discussion regarding Logan. I think outside of DLS, there is a lot of parity this year. DLS is at a level beyond everyone else (even in a supposed down year). But I think SRV, Cal, Logan, Pitt, DV and even Freedom are all RELATIVELY equal, with SRV being at the top of this list. What this means is that come playoffs, anything can happen.
P.S. I really hope Pitt does not have to play a conference opponent a 2nd time.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Pitt Grunt…it always happens. Pitt will play DV, Free, or Heritage in the first round. BVAL gets no respect!
October 27th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
KillerD, what’s your prediction on tomorrow night’s Casa Grande at Sonoma game? I know that Windsor will very likely avenge last year’s upset loss to El Molino tomorrow..
October 27th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Pitt Grunt- I have a feeling there will be a slight chance of that happening
October 28th, 2011 at 1:44 am
@ 86
Stop hearing what you want to hear. No one’s saying Logan can’t win for winning and no one’s disrespecting them. All we, or at least I, are saying is that until they start winning when it matters most they’re nothing more than a good league team. In a 7 team league they’re 1 of only 3 D1 programs. You’d expect them to be good year in, year out. The test they face, where we can get a good read on how good they really are, is playoffs. As stated before they’ve won less than 1/4 of their playoff games since 2001. That’s not elite.
One thing I found interesting is that they’ve played Foothill in 5 of the past 10 seasons. Not only that, but if they’d won their first round game in 2008 it would have been 6 out of 10. That’s got to be a pain in the you know what.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:19 am
UC you d*mbass i never said Windsor could beat DLS….read fool, i said Logan couldnt beat Windsor who is D2 favorite…..Windsor smashed Heritage and Logan scraped by……..Logan wouldnt beat Marin Catholic, Cardinal Newman or Encinal in D3
October 28th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Jacketfan:you are a blog name that is mind you should id yourself with a new blog name. I am jacketfan and your comments on this blog do not repersent me and my thoughts. Please make the correction.
October 28th, 2011 at 7:14 am
yes good teams win football games…GREAT teams win when it matters most, the playoffs.
like i said i support them as a #2 seed and i believe a semi final berth.
the “world is against us” approach does not fit logan. they are the largest school in the east bay, they shouldn’t ask for respect they should earn it.
and to suckafree..anyone can say someone can beat someone..most top teams could in a one game playoff…but until those d3 teams start beating the best of the d1, those are baseless arguments. there is still a large difference between d1 and d3 whether all you small school representatives want to admit it. in a one game playoff absolutely. in a 4 or 5 week stretch no way, where size, depth, and injuries become a concern.
October 28th, 2011 at 8:49 am
What’s wrong with the EBAL this season, appears after last year’s dominance this is an off year overall with the exception of great QB’s… I think they can all be beat, Cal at 4 is a gift, SRV should be better with all of thier talent but they can’t tackle (when’s the last time that happened…)
October 28th, 2011 at 9:19 am
it is not logan’s fault that heritage and foothill are down this year. both foothill and heritage gave logan a scare in those games. yes, they won 42-28 against heritage, but the game was much closer than the score. also, logan kept all their starters on the field til the end on both foothill and heritage. which they do not have to do playing in their league. if logan had to play foothill or heritage again, the outcome will be different. i still believe logan competes in the playoffs, but going to ncs championship, not gonna happen.
as for bval teams meeting each other in the first round of the playoff, it will happen again. it’s just the way it’s setup. for being the 2nd best league in the ncs, bval does not get any respect.
a few more weeks before playoffs, a lot can happen until then.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:43 am
ESPN Cal-Hi Sports Rankings (Mark Tennis)
Division I North
1. (1) De La Salle (Concord) 6-1
2. (2) Bellarmine (San Jose) 6-1
3. (3) Pleasant Grove (Elk Grove) 7-1
4. (4) Lincoln (Stockton) 7-1
5. (5) San Ramon Valley (Danville) 6-1
6. (6) California (San Ramon) 6-1
7. (7) Palma (Salinas) 6-0-1
8. (8) Granite Bay 6-2
9. (9) Archbishop Mitty (San Jose) 4-2-1
10. (10) Serra (San Mateo) 6-1
11. (11) James Logan (Union City) 7-0
12. (12) Oak Grove (San Jose) 6-1
13. (13) Nevada Union (Grass Valley) 5-3
14. (15) Palo Alto 5-2
15. (NR) St. Francis (Mountain View) 3-4
Drops: Previous No. 14 Pittsburg.
October 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Wow. Kinda surprise where Logan considering they have such a low SOS . Where’s Folsom and Vacaville? I’m surprised they’re not even top 10.
October 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Maybe they’re both D2? I know Folsom was in the D2 bowl game last year.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
That’s weird. That means Grant is d2 as well, and they should b D1. I take it they must divisions on school sizes ( enrollment ).
October 28th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I meant base divisions on enrollment. Sorry about the last post.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Ya, and it apparently depends on how many eligible playoff teams there are in the SJS per division. For example if Grant’s the 17th largest eligible playoff team, they’re D2, if they’re 16th they are D1. Or maybe I’m interpreting it wrong.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Casa Grande will trek into Sonoma and after the night’s end Sonoma will certainly join the ranks of the .500 teams around the usa with a 4 – 4 record.
Casa is better, bigger and faster. Windsor dispatched of Sonoma easily, and although CG still has to battle Windsor and Healdsburg, there still is a caste system in Sonoma County League, and Sonoma is not in the top third.
Casa Grande 32 vs. Sonoma 21
October 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Norcal
Actually MC and CN could roll with most of the D1 schools, they both roll 60 deep on their rosters with plenty of size up front on the edges ( MC best WR is 6’4 and they have a 6’3 all league CB along with big lines on both sides), MC for their part played 3 large schools the first 3 weeks of the season and held their own……Windsor would do well D1 this year they also have size and deep roster with deep JV squads to pull players up from…..not saying they would give DLS a game or anything but i definitely think they could easily make quarters, semis even make final THIS year……….dont see any D1 team outside of DLS stopping MC’s Jerod Goff (best 2013 qb prospect in the Bay and leading passer in the bay this year)on offense, MC’s defense a bit depleted would have trouble stopping some EBAL teams i would see 8-2 to 7-3 range along with CN or Windsor (D2) putting similar records in D1 this year……………..those 3 teams have plenty of size, depth,50-60 player rosters, coaching to roll with D1 this year
October 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Freedom is now favored to win the BVAL.. Score should of been way more.. but refs need to go back to ref school. Some calls were ridiculous. Deer Valley refs were terrible.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Fresh from Winton Drive tonite- De La 40 SRV 3.
Kline sacked 9 times, has a great arm but nada against the Spartans. Another Pac-12 recruit taken down by the Spartans.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
DLS vs. SRV, running clock for almost the entire 4th quarter, it could have been worst. Houston wins the baTTLE OF QB ‘S.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@BVAL Expert,
I am curious how you come to predict that Freedom is the favorite to win league?
Freedom has Liberty and Heritage left
DV has Antioch and Heritage left
Pitt has Liberty and Antioch left.
It is possible that Freedom, Pitt and DV win the their final two games.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
jacketfan, or jack-o-latern, last time De La played a coach carter BHS team in the playoffs they won by 50 and pulled the starters at half. If you saw DLS tonite against SRV you would change your opinion. I remember when Monte Vista visited Berkely High at nite a couple of years back and took them apart- scoring over 50.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Kline and SRV were clocked tonite out at De La.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Heritage will beat deer valley
October 29th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Killer D, what happened to your San RAMON UPSET MINDED PREDICTION earlier?????? I’m walkin’ the dog as we speak!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Nice game by my Spartans tonight. Very much like the Servite performance last year. Kline is the real dea! The Bears are getting a great QB next year. Huge upset by Granada tonight! Wow!
October 29th, 2011 at 1:06 am
antioch lost again tonight. that’s 3 losses in league. are they still qualified to get a playoff seed, since they went 5-0 in preseason? i think antioch goes 5-5 overall. i don’t see them beating dv or pitt.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:19 am
bval expert
if heritage somehow beats dv how will freedom win league, are u saying pitt will lose to either liberty or antioch, dont know what brand of drugs you smoking but C’MON MAN its now way n hell that will happen, u should at best hope for freedom pitt and dv to win out and get a 3way tie
October 29th, 2011 at 1:44 am
warriorjacket
ec only win 14-0 vs hercules are u serious, im really not drinking the kool aid, after that 1 broke play pv never really threatened to score again, b high just physically punked pinole, will see in 2 weeks, they beat the brakes off pinole
October 29th, 2011 at 7:58 am
i was surprised EC only beat hercules 14-0
October 29th, 2011 at 8:47 am
If playing Pinole is your measure of success, lets not forget EC also beat PV 41-7 a couple of weeks ago. Hey look, I am a fan of the Berkeley program, I just don’t feel you know who. In two weeks we will see. Hopefully BHS wins it but EC is real you better believe that.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Whereas as I think DV, Freedom and Pitt should win their final two games, this is the BVAL and ANYTHING is possible. I actually think Liberty will be a tougher opponent than Heritage for Pitt. Regarding a three-way tie, I do believe the BVAL does have a tiebreaker system that was determined before the season began….I just don’t know what it is.
On a side note, I was very critical of the missed last second field goal at the Pitt/DV game. Last night Galli used his back up kicker (#47) and he looked really strong. Kickoffs were deep (3 in the endzone) and all of the Xpoints were well hit. Cudos to Galli for plugging that special teams hole. As I arrive early to watch the JVs play, Pitt JVs has a kid (#48) who routinely kicks the ball 5 to 10 yards beyond the end zone (sounds like a sonic boom), and another kid (#33) who kicks the Xpoints who also hits the ball well and has not missed this year. I think next season’s Pitt team will be better than this year’s.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Well anyone has the right to think about anything. Since every team has had its own loss. So you can make a valid argument that Pitt might lose or Freedom might lose.. or Dv might lose. So I dont really known how thats surprising to people.
Any who,
`I was surprised DV was way bigger then freedom on the o-line but they couldn’t run the ball as planned for them. Freedom should of been up by three touchdowns but all of them were called back because of questionable (blocking in the back, holding, etc)Freedom ran a hook and later play that was called back for a questionable “illegal forward pass” which went for a touchdown. Refs were terrible almost as terrible as the tracy west game. DV fumbled alot on receptions however not once not twice but THREE times.. The refs called them incomplete passes, when clearly Mr. Webster had possession of the ball and ran up field .. Everyone started getting outraged coaches were screaming players were discouraged because it was completely obvious that the refs did not want freedom to win. It also made me furious to see it wasn’t a fair game as a BVAL supporter.
Also I HAVE HAVE NEVER EVER EVER SEEN A FUMBLED PUNT RETURN GET CALLED BACK FROM A SCOOP AND SCORE PLAY. This was another thing that got people angry and outraged. The DV player fumbled the Punt Return bounced over his head and was picked up and scored by Freedom. (Pardon my french) But for some stupid reason the refs called it back and gave the ball to Freedom on the 15 yard line! I have never seen that rule or whatever that was be put into play.
I really question who hires these “officials” because clearly theres some sort bias in the NCS officiating. We could of killed some teams. but theres always those officials that have some sort of bias. When Freedom went to play a team from the SJ section they were getting hammered for very questionable penalties. Making it a closer game then it should be. Thats why you have to be careful who you schedule your opponents with because you might not even get a well called out game “because your in that league sections territory and you have to play by their rules” most of it was BS
October 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
warriorjacket
i think ur beef shouldnt just b with the coach you dont care for, should direct that toward the admin and hiring panel, or maybe sims had a really good interview, at least thats what i heard he did, i still say hes a good coach, he has some good coaches on staff also, his db coach really had his guys playing really good vs pinole wr, pv has a couple of big’s ones too, the young oline is doin very good.
bval expert, i just dont see dv freedom or pitt losing, but i cant wait to see those 2 teams next season,with pitts awesome jv and freedoms junior class that will b seniors, but u can never count out dv, some much talent, very big school, only smaller than b high and logan. i have to admit the bval is a very talented league
October 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
BVAL Expert – The kicking team cannot advance a fumble by the punt return team; its called a muff and the ball is simply spotted where the kicking team recovers the ball. This has been the rule for some time in High School Football.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Bval u can’t advance a muffed punt……so chill out bro and learn the rules
October 29th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
@dudleydawson – You were close on the points VC scored, but completely failed on the outcome. I will give props on your other picks though. You obviously haven’t seen this team play. This is truley the most talented team to come out of Salesian in years. I’ll admit, it’s unfortunate that we didn’t play up this year. I truly feel this team could win the DIII section if they were up. And that’s no disrespect to CN or MC. They are just that good. They have size, speed and can hit. Would you agree Jimmy? You’ve seen them play a couple of times now.
October 29th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Any score on salesian v Valley Christian?
October 29th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Salesian isn’t in the same league as Cardinal newman, Marin Catholic, Encinal or Campolindo this season. Salesian only has one quality win by 10 points. They should stay down and have a shot at winning section and state bowl bid.
October 29th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Salesian over VC 54-21. It was 21-0 five minutes in to the game, VC never knew what hit it. NorCal, I can’t speak to those very good D3 schools you mentioned but I did see the Miramonte-Las Lomas game and those two teams are not in the same league as Salesian. The team is much more dominant up front and at the skill positions. If Encinal and Campo are better then props to them, they are very, very good.
October 29th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Anybody got scores from the saturday games?
Arroyo/SL?
SLZ/ODowd?
etc
October 29th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Bishop O’Dowd beat San Lorenzo 50-12.
San Leandro 28, Arroyo 0
October 29th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Damn, Arroyo eating donuts again.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
@Norcal…I get it when it comes to bashing Nightingale and Salesian, but I am telling you, this years team is special. Unfortunately, they probably won’t get the chance to prove it, but you ask any respectable person on this blog that has actually watched them play and they will tell you the same. They will be in Walnut Creek in 2 weeks to Berian Christian for what should be the league title game, come check them out.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
It’s hard for me to agree with guys wanting to bash Nightengale in my opinion, cause yeah they in the BFL, but he always schedules good teams in non league and beats them.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
I’ll second that Moreau!
October 30th, 2011 at 12:21 am
I heard the Tennyson and Hayward game got ugly. Any news?
October 30th, 2011 at 12:54 am
guess all those arroyo fans are going to b quiet for a while now, they really talked alot of trash since last season, my pirates are starting to get on a roll now, got mcbride back hr took the opening kick off back, what a way to come back from injury
October 30th, 2011 at 2:33 am
Glad to see those kids at Emery get a win. Hopefully coach Greg Morris at St. Liz can stick it out and turn things around there.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:12 am
NorCal, you mention Salesian has only one quality win and is not in the same league as Encinal and the others. What is Encinal’s quality win the makes it evident that they are better? I don’t think there is one, they lost their only tough game and the rest have been against patsies. I’m not saying they aren’t very good, I’m sure they are, but at this point there is nothing to indicate they are better than Salesian. A game with these two would be awesome and all of us Salesian backers are disappointed that the coach is satisfied with staying in D4.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Salesian has no excuse not to petition up to D3 if they are so good…..MC and CN didn’t chicken out which is why they play up in D3 …….what is Nightengales excuse?
October 30th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Congrat’s to Emery, at least they had the courage to play Salesian.
October 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am
SalesianDad,
I think Salesian is very, very good and I fully expect them to run the table and win NCS Div. IV. They’ve got some good skill players and obviously a very beefy line. As for how they stack up with the top teams in Div. III, that’s hard to say. The one knock I would have on Salesian is their depth. That was evident even in the Valley Christian win. Travis Earby was hobbled, Cliff Betson didn’t return after his TD catch and a couple other WRs and secondary and skill type guys got nicked up throughout the game. The top D-3 teams would probably be able to exploit that. I think they’d be able to give those teams a game, but I’m not sure they’d be able to beat a Newman or Marin Catholic or Encinal. It’d be nice to see them in the mix so we could find out.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Jimmy: what are the chances Salesian could get the D4 Bowl bid over the SJS champ?
October 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am
They can’t get D4. The only division under d3 are schools with under 400 students. Its why it doesn’t make any sense for Nightengale to compete at D4 & why Cardinal Newman & MC compete at D3. The NCS D4 winner has to compete with the NCS D3 winner for state & will lose that everytime.
October 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Exactly right about Salesian’s lack of depth. Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman probably would take advantage of any injuries and honestly there is a drop off behind the starters. But Encinal makes it work with ~25 guys and a healthy Salesian is a really good football team. Too bad the deadline passed to petition up.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
# 144 Jimmy – you’re right about the depth but the VC game was a blowout from the start. Both Earby and Betson probably could have kept playing with what looked to be minor injuries, but why risk it with key players in a wipeout?
# 142 Sucka – can’t tell you how the coach evaluates Salesian’s situation. He may figure that it has a 25% chance of winning D3 versus a 30% chance of getting a bowl bid by winning D4 and goes that route. Or, he may not evaluate it at all and just let’s it ride however it turns out. Probably somewhere in between but admittedly it is hard on hardcore Pride followers who’d like to see how they’d do against the stronger teams.
October 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@Jimmy: What’s the report for the new league? Wasn’t the decision meeting today?
October 31st, 2011 at 1:03 am
no way salesians is going to state.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:16 am
Yeah State would be hard for them in my opinion because they have teams that were terrible on the schedule like Emery, St Liz and John Swett. They need a beefed up non league schedule for that.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:23 am
They know they will get high seed with weak preseason and their league wins. But they should challenge themselves more often. But still have a nice team.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:46 am
#139 pirate football when is the last time
ur pirates beat a team with a power ranking anywhere close 2 theirs
TIME 4 ME TO COACH AGAIN PUT THE PIRATES BACK IN THERE PLACE
coaching= putting the player in the right place at the right time base on his true ability NOT UR PERCEPTION of his ability
October 31st, 2011 at 9:18 am
Credit to Spark Baldman, who called the Monte Vista win over Amador Valley. At this point, any attempt to predict who’s going to end up qualifying in D-I is like throwing darts at a dart board.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Wow. First BOD and now Hayward High??!!. Why is everyone trying to fight Tennyson?. A player from Tennyson gets stomped out from Hayward Players and Adults, yes I said Adults, and he gets ejected and no Hayward High players got ejected?. So sad. And a Hayward parent got crazy at a Tennyson coach after the game. Stop picking on Tennyson. These kids are playing hard and Terry is doing a good job. Show some kind of love.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Wow. First BOD and now Hayward High??!!. Why is everyone trying to fight Tennyson?. A player from Tennyson gets stomped out from Hayward Players and Adults, yes I said Adults, and he gets ejected and no Hayward High players got ejected?. So sad. And a Hayward parent got crazy at a Tennyson coach after the game. Stop picking on Tennyson. These kids are playing hard and Terry is doing a good job. Show some kind of love!
October 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Sorry for posting it twice lol. It erased the first one but it came back