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East Bay prep football recap: De La Salle beats SRV in showdown
By Jon Becker
Saturday, October 29th, 2011 at 1:58 am in Uncategorized.
De La Salle High and its quarterback Bart Houston were dominant Friday night in a thorough 40-3 victory over No. 3 San Ramon Valley.
Houston threw for 237 yards and four touchdowns in a showdown against the Wolves and Cal-bound signal-caller Zach Kline.
Meanwhile, the biggest upset of the night was Granada’s 26-22 victory over No. 3 California. And the most intriguing game may have been No. 9 Freedom’s 21-14 victory over No. 10 Deer Valley, which threw the Bay Valley Athletic League into a four-way tie for first place.
Here’s the link to our weekly prep football recap, where you’ll find links to stories on each game played on Friday night, plus a slideshow of photos from the games.
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October 29th, 2011 at 7:36 am
Gee..That smell ..I love the smell of Napalm in the morning…It smells like Victory. Looks like Sparty played a solid well executed game. Huston and brothers were in rhythm last night.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Its too bad that DLS took out San Ramon like they did…but this has been going on year after year as DLS walks over very good teams….there doesn’t seem to be any way to stop DLS…Bellarmine almost did it…but it was one in over almost 90 plus games….i hate to say this…but it may be time for DLS to leave EBAL and go independent….It is no fun when you know you are going to take a beating no matter what you do…In the past its been stated that it will be a challenge to face DLS by some of the coaches and some very good players….But the scores are always the same…..This isn’t a DLS hater comment..its just the way it is…
October 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am
I remember a few years back when DLS was on the verge of entering the EBAL and numerous posters said it was only a matter of a couple years until DLS falls, that the mystique of DLS was going to vanish and leave them vulnerable. Goes to show you just how “machine-like” this program is.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:40 am
You are right George. I still mantain the Ebal (football only) should create a north (DLS,MV,SRV,Cal) and a south (LHS,GRA,AV, Foothill). DLS cant win league. Each team plays the 3 in their division, 2 in the other division and has 5 non league games. Some EBAL teams would then miss DLS some years.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:27 am
My first post was a a bit boastful..I apologize.
SR is a talented team, Kline is very good QB and was threading some very good passes. But De La Salle came to play..every single player in a Spartan Jersey was ready mentally to play 110%. They can take a shared pride that they pulled it all together last night. No question that Huston and his teammates needed a game like last night. Kudos to coaches and players for well played and managed game.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:30 am
I hear you George, i just think it’s interesting that these types of comments about DLS surface after they beat a very good San Ramon team that was supposed to have a shot at a DLS team that really had not played to their potential. Bottom line, not a bad idea for the DLS to go independendent, however, should that happen, there will be folks that will groan that it’s not fair that DLS does not belong to a league, etc. Next year, with the Regional championships there will be no doubts as to who is best in the North and the South. I’ll tell you what, my kid who is a Sr. at DLS is friends or knows many of the kids at other EBAL schools and the concensus is that year in and year out their mentality is to knock off DLS. Most of these kids from the other schools welcome the challenge. Finally, last night the Spartan put together 4 quarter of flawless football. IMO, if they play like that until year end it could very well be a repeat of last year at Carson. They were that good. One last note, i think NCS championship will see SRV and DLS at the coliseum should the seedings allow it.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Anybody else see the El Cerrito/Hercules game? Talk about a snooze fest. Half the lights didn’t work, and the two teams looked comatose.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
post #3 is accurate. These blogs were full of that thinking and they were led by… D Miller. He opined for years that Sparta likely would not have kept up with the grind of the EBAL and would be spent by playoffs.
Im still waiting for him to retract that theory now that the final proof is on display.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Newsflash: This year’s Cal team is not as good as last year’s team. I will say the games are much more fun/stressful to watch as a fan as they have now played 5 EBAL games in a row that have come right down to the wire. They seem to play right to the level of their opponent each week.
You wouldn’t know if by reading the story in today’s paper, but Granada scored 2 of their TDs and went up 19-7 in the first half due to 2 huge special teams plays. They blocked a punt to set up their second score and right before half they recovered a fumbled Cal punt to take a 12 point lead into the locker room.
Cal’s defense played very well in the second half, shutting out the Mats until their TD with 28 seconds left. And they had Granada on the ropes with a 4th and 20 from about their own 25 with just over a minute left when Mata evaded the oncoming Grizzly rush and threw it as far as he could and somehow Richards got behind the Cal secondary and caught a 45 yard back-breaker tiptoeing along the right sideline. Granada was down 3 and just needed a FG to tie, but they pushed it in to go ahead by 4. Farley had 28 seconds and no timeouts to work with, and nearly got the job done. He hit Washington on consecutive 25 yard sideline passes and then put a 3rd one right on the money in the end zone with no time left on the clock that was almost hauled in as the game ended. That was serious Friday night lights excitement.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
#6….Silvergreen…..DLS is one of a kind and i doubt any body wil beat them in the local area…These school districts get what they get….And i’ve heard the same thing from the kids who would like to dump DLS if they could…..And if DLS and San Ramon meet again..I suspect that the score will be almost the same no matter how the Wolves try…DLS is DLS…
October 29th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Prep fan nails it. Farley’s ‘right there’ throw to the endzone would’ve been Washington’s third TD catch of the night. According to a sideliner, it was there, along with a teammate’s bump, and it popped out. It’s on Comcast 30 tonight at 7:00, so that’ll give it a good look. SnG: Respect all, fear none is alive on the 680; other sports balance it to a degree. If you don’t get TV30, maybe a coaches house in South San Ramon will have it on for some barcalounger relaxation instead of FF-REW breakdown. Bartholomew and Mayor Sbranti do a nice job.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
DLS out of EBAL, DLS does not want that. They want to stay right where there at, how nice for transportation costs, great environments for Friday Night Football and other sports. How can anybody have ever thought that they could win in a league where 1 school plays by a different set of rules. Trust me parents of these top BayArea/State athletes are not sending their son to DLS to become astronauts. I’ve said it before “DLS is all about DLS” and it uses the other schools to get there.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
EBAL5 — sounds like you need to head out to Occupy Oakland and complain about the people that make more money than you too…
October 29th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Junior, D. Miller left the Times about 3 years ago, so I don’t think he’ll be printing any retractions any time soon. I was one who also thought they might have absorbed an EBAL loss by now, but it is not like they haven’t been challenged. It seems like every year someone gives them a test and plays them close. It hasn’t happened yet this year, unless that game this season was the Bells. I think DLS brings up the level of competition in the EBAL and welcome the challenge of playing them. Looks like 2 of the San Ramon kids on the Spartans had big nights last night, Hooper and Houston.
October 29th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
FNL & Prep,
You know, it’s refreshing to hear your breakdown of your teams performances and your respect for other schools and their programs. I appreciate that! On the other hand, you have a set of bloggers that can’t seem to see past year round hard work and great coaching. Instead, resort to weak “the different set of rules” excuse. . .I find it interesting that those set of rules never seem to appear when DLS baseball gets worked by the rest of the EBAL (2 years ago). Not to mention, imply that parents only send their kids to DLS due to athletics, that’s just plain ignorant, hence the statement:
Trust me parents of these top BayArea/State athletes are not sending their son to DLS to become astronauts.
October 29th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
The comments about DLS should leave the EBAL are a little off in my opinion.To beat them would be such a big deal that it really motivates teams to get better.The fact that they blow out so many teams is just a little dose of reality to the victims and at least they can say they played against the best.Athletes and actually non-athletes as well should relish the opportunity to compete against the best whether it be sports,the classroom,business…whatever.No mentally stable person is going to fail in life because they lost to DLS 48-0.
October 29th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
No one is saying that these kids at DLS do not work year round or get great coaching. I’ll say it “The football players at DLS practice hard year round (even though that’s illegal) and get great coaching”. I do stand by the different set of rules though, I can understand why you can’t see that, because that would mean DLS’s championships were not won on an even playing field. As for parents sending their kids to DLS for sports only, I could be wrong, please email when one of these kids is in space.
October 29th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
S1lverngreen, Cal beat DLS twice in 2011 in baseball as well as in 2010, in route to their second place finish in the EBAL behind SRV. DLS had the same league record, but took 3rd based on the head to head vs. Cal. The kids do get a certain satisfaction out of beating DLS in any sport, as they do MV or SRV, but maybe to another degree. They do raise the bar for all teams.
October 29th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
hahah EBAL seems to beg for MERCY making an excuse, Congrats to De la salle, what a great classy program
October 29th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Teams in the EBAL are allergic to defense this year. Look at DLS’s two close league wins last year, SRV and Cal. Both those teams played very good defense. SRV didn’t have the offense and Cal gave DLS everything they could handle.
October 29th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
How many kids has the EBAL sent to space, excluding DLS?
October 29th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
EBAL5, run along, don’t you have to go study for a Geometry exam.
October 29th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Its just so much wishful thinking to say that Dls and SRV might meet again at NCS. At the championship no way. Maybe in earlier rounds but whats the point. After the 40-3 blowout it’ll take a miracle for SRV to even score a couple of TDs let alone one. The NCS championshio at Div 1 should be between DlS and one other league champion, most likely it between the winner of a matchup between Logan and Pitt in the playoffs. Cal will have their chance witoh Dls and that should be it.
October 29th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Kriart,
I do think SRV is as good as advertised. DLS brought their A game this Friday, would have been hard for any team in CA.
Kline is LEGiT. No worries, i am not overlooking your pirates, i know your boys always ramp it up for playoffs, should be good.
October 29th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Granada has been in every game up to the end except Foothill. Coach Silva is a phenomanal coach! he cares for the whole player. It is NO surprise Granada won the Cal game. Whether the Mats go to NCS or not… the players have learned better character because of Coach Silva!!!!!!
October 29th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Stuck In Spokane asked @ post #20:
October 29th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
How many kids has the EBAL sent to space, excluding DLS?
Answer:
You’ll have to ask the Flash Gordon (hint: starts with EBAL and rhymes with dive) of these sports blogs from his vantage point on Planet Mongo.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Most publics in the East Bay typically have more National Merit Scholars than dlS/Clet. This year Sparta gets 3, Cougs shut out. I know in ’10 the boys had one. The opposite is true in SF City/County. Harker and Lynbrook goin’ toe to toe in San Joe.
http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_18888860
October 29th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
So much for a showdown with this game, DLS handled them pretty well.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Chs,
Good to hear from you! Been quiet this year?
MV slum where r u?
October 29th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
After all these years you would think somebody here in the Bay would have figured out how to beat DLS! But I guess not!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
#17, I hear you on that but we need to find someone who can beat them in football!!!!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
preppy- the famous d miller theory was not DLS would suffer an EBAL loss or that there would be close games. The theory was the EBAL would wear down the Spartans, make their starters play longer, cause more injuries and this would lead to a tougher time in November/Dec. He would even go right up to the edge of intimating the streak would have been cut short if DLS played in the EBAL.
That theory was ignorant when he said it and it is now completely debunked.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Will Antioch still apply for the playoffs after losing to Liberty and staring at an 0-5 league slate?
October 29th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Nominating Antioch for the non-league cupcake schedule of the year award . . . way to get playoff eligible yet still not able to beat anybody who plays in a good league. Last in the BVAL, they would be last in the EBAL.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:25 am
# 29
Find someone that play’s defense with a decent offense. That’s the team that’ll beat DLS. SRV had a good defense last year, but no offense. Cal had a pretty good defense and a pretty good offense. Both teams were close, neither got it done. Bellarmine has a very good defense and a decent offense. DLS barely survived. This game looked like a possible showdown, but if you look at SRV’s results so far they’ve only blown AV out. The rest of the games have been shoot outs, outside of the win over Mitty, and that is not how you beat DLS.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Sorry, meant MV alum!
October 30th, 2011 at 12:35 am
D. Miller is still not going to be printing any retractions anytime soon. Whatever he theorized must have rubbed some people the wrong way. It was a long time ago and probably best just to let it go. I think he now writes for a golf magazine and probably is more concerned about Tiger Woods winning another major than how many injuries DLS is piling up in EBAL play.
October 30th, 2011 at 1:07 am
gee thanks preppy… such insight.
It’s not a matter of rubbing people the wrong way- it is setting the record straight. just like the record needs to be set straight (over and over and over) regarding the “unlevel playing field” theory that so many of the excuse making, soft posters lament about.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:22 am
I do agree with George Manley. De La Salle should push to be independent that will help them increase the strength of schedule making them automatically qualified in that part for a open bowl selection for the CIF. All they need to do is just win those games so they can actually get in. however, the only bad part to it is. Say if they wanted to schedule really hard teams but those teams start the begging of league play on a certain week then that creates conflict because then say if De la salle had about 5 or 6 teams they had in mind playing (Towards the end of the season). They cant play those teams because that means that the other teams do not have any room for de la salle to both play each other, for later on in the schedule because most teams would be playing league games towards the end of the season. Unless other teams in the league are flexible and can move 1 of their league game to the begging of the season then that will solve the problem if they can do that.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:37 am
Weren’t they independent not too long ago before they joined the EBAL? I THINK THEY WERE.So why did they end up joining that league?
October 30th, 2011 at 8:14 am
They were independent before and that is how they liked it. The EBAL would not include DLS if they went that route and EBAL required them to be a full league participant. There was some puffing of chests and expectation EBAL could compete. Hasn’t been the case. I suspect that this could be revisited and everybody could be happy.
By the way, Dennis M was a great writer and yes, the only way DLS can lose now is if massive injuries take their toll.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Brandonbeard how did moreau lose to st.marys at home saw them play friday they’re horrible.
October 30th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Everyone is horrible in the BSAL except Encinal. Bottom line is that when St. Mary’s plays Moreau someone is gonna win. When Albany plays Swett, someone is gonna win.
October 30th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Otis Sistrunk one of the great DL graduated from the University of Mars…so anything is possible.
October 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Every 4years berkeley and de la had to swtich leaques bval and ebal its seems people forget that before dela went independent that they were going to back to bval with berkeley. To stop this they went independent with auto berth to payoffs. Berkeley sent back to accal, with the argument from the ebal teams travel to berkeley was a hardship, lol. It seems everyone in the ebal was glad to have dela return with the hope of beating them. Now everyone wishs they would leave the ebal. You get what you ask for. We understand in berkeley that, lt is not the players that is needed, do the school have the money to pay good coachs to coach at some schools. Most schools barley can play the head coach. So who can get the best staff for free! If any one local beats them, you know then then that you have everything in place to be successful against them every year. W
October 30th, 2011 at 9:11 am
When DLS was forced back into a league 2005? there were numerous proposals that were presented and voted on. Every proposal that had DLS into any other league than EBAL was voted down. (Livermore wanted out of EBAL this year but every proposal they put forth was voted down) Your misinformed if you think that EBAL unanimously voted to have DLS in the league. Having DLS go Independent does not solve the problem and EBAL knows this which maybe is one of the reasons why they force a full league schedule. If DLS is such a sought after program to have in your league “Why is it that “NO” other league put forth a proposal this past year to bring DLS in?
October 30th, 2011 at 9:43 am
DLS was in the BVAL people prior to being in the EBAL. I dont know how far back your thinking give some dates
October 30th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Earlier this season before opening day I commented that most every east bay football league was very down. I know it was not an attractive thing to say, but it happens. Teams and leagues have a peak period and valleys do follow.
EBAL, MCAL, BSAL and HAAL are way down this year.
BFL and DFAL are up.
Look for new tidings in 2012 as new leagues refresh east bay football, like it or not, it is a decent turnover every four years, just like the Presidency.
American progress is a living orgranism itself, and the shelf life for redundant football leagues is short too.
Change is good but not for everybody, then again it never is
October 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Ebal: l don’t know how long you have been around these matters, what you know is what waa reported. It is another thing when you are in the meetings. As a member of the bhs staff, i know what was said and why. As you should know berkeley had that problem. Realinment will be forced on bay leaque next year.if you want to beat dela this is what should be done: Take the best 4 players from each of the schools in the ebal, oal, accal, bval and just thier head coaches with the real coach carter as the head coach of the team and maybe then we beat dela. LOL.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am
In response to my comment about Parents sending their sons to DLS to play sports and not to become astronauts I was asked by “Stuck in Spokane” and “Concrete17″ “how many kids has EBAL sent into space other than “DLS” well the answer is “1″, Leroy Chiao, Monte Vista.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
EBAL5 says: I’ll say it “The football players at DLS practice hard year round (even though that’s illegal) and get great coaching”
If your asumption of teams working out year round is one that is “ilegal” than most likely half or more of NCS teams would be violating this bylaw. I suggest that you educate yourself before you spout off. The link below will get you started
http://www.cifncs.org/sports/PRACTICE%20AND%20CONDITIONING%20RULES%20INTERPRETATIONS.pdf
October 30th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@EBAL5 – Quit hating on DLS pleeeease
MV, SRV, CAL practice hard and work out all year round i have personally witnessed it.
Face it DLS is the best team, best coaches, hard to beat deal with it.
oh and by the way i’m not a huge DLS fan but see reality here.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
The kamikazee attack by EBAL5 on DLS is nuts and needs to stop. Lets talk football.
How does Cal’s loss to Grenada, plus the likely 3-way tie in the BVAL with Pitt, Freedom and DV change the potential first rounds playoffs match ups?
October 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
I don’t know where the notion that “everyone wishs they would leave the ebal” comes from as far as DLS goes. True, they have not yet lost a football game in EBAL play, but they haven’t lost to a NorCal team since 1991 either. Many are on record on this blog welcoming the competition that DLS brings to the EBAL in every sport. Not everyone wants to play in a cupcake league.
Yes, DLS was a member of the BVAL prior to joining the EBAL, but they were quasi-independent in football and did not count in the league standings. This allowed DLS to be the top seed at NCS and get home games in the playoffs with league champ status, as well as enabling the 2nd best team in the BVAL to also claim league champ status. That is why #3 Cal had to play on the road at #6 Pitt in 2007, as both DLS and Pitt were deemed to have league champ status. As a member of the EBAL, DLS has the same status (Except for being 3 time defending league champs in football) in all sports as all the other EBAL teams.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Pitt Grunt, it is possible that Cal’s loss to Granada could result in Freedom and/or Pitt moving ahead of them as NCS seeds into the dreaded #4 or #5 slots which would mean a date with DLS if they should reach the semis. It cerainly looks like DLS has sewn up the top seed, and Logan & SRV at this point look to be either #2 or #3 seeds. Freedom was already ahead of Cal in Calpreps rankings coming into this weekend, and Pitt is now just a point behind and nipping at their heels. Cal still has to play DLS in 2 weeks and has not looked dominant this year in EBAL play. DV has 4 losses and may not be in a position to pass Cal unless Cal loses to AV next week.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Just a quick look at the current Calpreps D1 rankings and possible NCS seeds, assuming MV beats Foothill next week and Pitt & Freedom win out.
1. DLS
2. Logan
3. SRV
4. Freedom
5. Pitt
6. Cal
7. DV
8. MV
9. Berkeley
10. Heritage
11. SL
12. Antioch
13. CV
14. Irvington
October 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
*If Foothill beats MV and AV, they would qualify and could take MV’s place if SRV loses to SRV. If AV beats either Cal or Foothill then they are also in the field. Granada would have to beat DLS this week and then Livermore to get in. Heritage and Irvington have enough wins over teams in their divisions to qualify. I may have missed a team or made a poor assumption here or there. This is certainly not set in stone and next weeks’ games should further solidify the D1 outlook.
October 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
It’s interesting how some of the posts can say that DLS success is due to great coaching and hard working players. At the end of the day their enrollment is open to kids from a very wide area. They are able to compete against high school teams that are public and whose enrollment is open to a defined area. I am not saying that are not a well coached team with hard working players but they are a team that has players from all over the East Bay where as a school like MV or SRV are as good as the players that they have living within their school boundaries. My opinion is that they would be better suited for a league with other privates like West Catholic Conference.
October 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Say Prepfan….I think that Foothill has a very good chance of stopping Monte Vista…Their defense i think is their difference…And California had better come back shooting or Amador Valley is just nasty enough to win…I think you are on the right track and maybe an act of god will take place and Granada will dump DLS…
October 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Prep,
Does NCS use Calpreps? I thought they used another polling service or whatever their called…ESPN? Or, is that for SBG? Also, do you think D1 top seed get a bye in round 1 this year?
October 30th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
prep fan
not totally agree with ur seedings i guess thats what ur callin it, how is freedom ahead of pitt, pitt won head to head, and if mv doesnt beat foothill they not making the playoffs, plus how u have them ahead of b high, b high has a slightly better record and they have a common opponent b high beat pitt and mv loss, trust me i been in the seedings meeting b4 they changed them, the seedings committee looks at head to head and common opponent, but u might right with the mv being there due to it seems the committee seems to have the same ebal bias as u do, so if mv beats foothill they will b a qualifier.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
I don’t think the seeding committee uses Calpreps exclusively, or at least I hope not. But if they are closely following the action like most of us, I sure hope they are taking as much into account as possible, including strength of schedule, and not just overall records or what place a team came in. It seems to me that some of their prior placements have taken Calpreps into account, but since they are a secret society it is really anybody’s guess. I do know that what they use is completely different and separate than the criteria used for the state bowl games.
I only put MV ahead of Berkeley with a quick glance at Calpreps as there are 2 teams between them, but if they lose to SRV in the their finale I guess there is a very good chance the Jackets would jump them. On the other hand if they were to beat SRV, my guess is they would be ahead of Berkeley, so the SRV game may be the decider on that one. All this is based on them beating Foothill to qualify, which is no sure thing. I tried to make it clear that this was if they beat Foothill which I think they might do? Foothill needs to win out to make the playoffs and MV needs a win over either Foothill or SRV. Certainly there is a possibility of AV beating Cal as they are at home, but I think Cal will be favored. AV just needs one win over either Cal or Foothill to get in. There are lots of possible scenarios, but I was just throwing that out there as a possible somewhat likely scenario, acknowledging that the EBAL has been anything but predictable this year aside from DLS. Not trying to be Nostradamus here, but just trying to stir up a little discussion among HS football fans.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Pirate Football, Freedom is much higher rated on Calpreps than Pitt and has 2 less losses. If they end up at 4 & 5, I guess there is a chance that they could be swapped and Pitt would get the higher seed based on their head to head but Pitt has lost 3 games, so head to head is not the only thing their likely to look at. Let’s see how the last 2 weeks of league play goes before getting a final opinion on that close call.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Castro Valley has played tough against quality competition, but something seems off when we are talking about Irvington and Antioch in playoffs . . . Livermore, Granada, Amador Valley, Foothill, Liberty – all teams that will likely miss playoffs but could make things a lot more interesting than those two teams who will be qualified.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
I completely agree EB JC Guy, but the rules are that they take the top 16 that qualify and not just the top 16 teams. If the playoffs were just 8 or 12 teams, Irvington and Antioch might not even be in the conversation.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
prep fan
if mv beats foothill and srv they would get a pretty good seed i dont see them beating either BUT i have to agree with u, the ebal has not been predictable, trust me the seeding committee looks more at a head to head and common opponents than any calpreps rankings or any rankings, they look at it but not as heavily wieghed,
hope my pirates can pull off a win vs bod that would help them big time
GO SL PIRATES
October 30th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Dudley Dawson I would have to agree with c/098 somebody had to lose, all the teams in the BSAL are a bit nasty at times even Encinal, so somebody had to lose. I know that it was a big turnover battle in that game though, but to answer how, I couldnt tell ya! We will see if oreau can avoid getting blown away in that game. Encinal is not a great scheme team, but they have great athletes who make great plays when they are needed. Not taking a shot at all but they are just talented at the skill positions and teams in the BSAL cannot match up with them at all.
October 31st, 2011 at 8:50 am
Wow I feel like Michael Corleone..”Everytime I try to get out they keep dragging me back in.” Funny to see something I wrote in what seems like 100 years ago being a point of concern this week. I did say when DLS came to the EBAL that the grind of playing in the EBAL would wear down the Spartans and take a toll on the team. So far the Spartans have mety every challenge and convincingly beat back all challengers. Congrats to the DLS players and coaches – a tremendous testament to their work ethic and class. What I didn’t count on was the falling apart of programs such as San Leandro and Pitt. Back when I was there, both of those schools were loaded seemingly every year. Now, not so much. When DLS goes outside the EBAL during NCS play, they are facing far inferior teams and the results are predictible. I do believe week in and out, the games are tougher in EBAL play than DLS had before. Agree? Also playing good teams where they actually have to work hard each week (well for at least a half at least) has made them better when it comes to the playoffs. No retraction as I think much of what I preditcted is true…congrats to Lad, Terry and the rest of the Spartan program for continued excellance.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:43 am
This whole “uneven playing field” is such a tired argument. Does anybody think that the EBAL schools don’t start with an advantage over, say, schools in the Hayward Unified School District? They have a lot more money, better and newer facilities, tend to be safer and offer a lot more educational opportunities. It’s the reason why some parents will overpay for a house in order to get their kids into better school districts (Piedmont? Palo Alto?). It’s also why some parents will create false addresses or rent rooms in order to get kids into those schools. Just in these blogs there have been allegations of Berkeley kids attending Encinal, of Kennedy (Fremont) allegedly recruiting kids from other districts to play there and of Oakland kids managing to use loopholes to go to San Leandro High School. There was a story on here about a public school in the SJS that was getting kids from Tonga, finding host families in their school district just to get them to play football. These are just examples that have been alleged. So EBAL schools have the advantage of having better funded school districts that attract families with athletes and there are examples of public school districts skirting eligibility rules to get kids to play. I don’t hear the folks at St. Elizabeth screaming about THOSE unlevel playing fields…
As for De La Salle, I think the statistics are that 99% of their graduates go on to attend a college or university. That’s better than just about ANY public school. Could it be that parents choose to send their kids to a school that better prepares them for life (and life after high school athletics) rather than sending them there simply because they might win some more football games? I have no ties to De La Salle whatsoever, but I know that Catholic schools require more than tuition to attend. You have to perform community service hours, you have to adhere to stricter rules based on your behavior and dress code… it’s silly.
I get that there are some folks who feel that there should be a separate set of playoffs for private and public schools, and they have that in some other states. The thing is, if you pulled DLS out of the D-I playoffs, whoever won would probably feel like a hollow victor. Yeah, they’d have a banner to hang, but wouldn’t they know that the only reason they have it is because you ruled out the team they all wish they could beat? Once somebody DOES beat DLS (and it WILL happen sometime), won’t it be that much sweeter?
October 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm
HS Football Fan
you dont have to be smart to play sport
the fact that u have to have a qualifying GPA
suits a certain glass of people.
there would b no DLS great runs or winnings streaks with out this qualifying GPA
THIS IS CLASS WARFARE
eliminating people that can do the job better than u
is nothing short of racism
not returning kicks out of the endzone suits a certain class of people
all the rule changes in the NFL suits a certain class of people
THEY TOOK BASEBALL BACK I GUESS FOOTBALLS NEXT
October 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
hs football fan
u made some good points, spoke to some kids saturady that play for a youth football team and they said we dont want to go to dls they want to be the hs team to beat them, so yes i think it will b sweet for lots of people in the bay to beat them, and yes the ebal schools do have those advantages especially money and safety
October 31st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
D Miller and HS F ball,
Great points. I know there are a handful of blogger (S) (non DLS supporters too!)that share your sentiments and opinions. Well said!
October 31st, 2011 at 3:22 pm
when you talk about DLS plz dont talk about them putting out great football players… talk about them producing model citizen
with all that so called great coaching
great parents
great environment
great facilities
money
They should have hundreds of pro athletes so why dont they 2 words (NO TALENT)
DLS IS GREAT FOR TEACHING PEOPLE WITH LESS TALENT TECHNIQUE
so i tip my hat to them
MEAN WHILE THE BEST FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE BAY AREA MOST LIKELY SELL DRUGS CARRY GUNS MOMS AND POPS ARE ON HEAVY DOPE
o yeah their only way out was sports but u took that from them SOON AS THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOMENT WAS GOING 2 LEVEL THE PLAYING FLIED **new rule GPA** after all if you didnt make the kids pass a test would any of ur kids ever see the field
October 31st, 2011 at 3:28 pm
While I am surprised that D. Miller Corleone made an appearance that quickly, I was at least correct that he wasn’t going to be printing a retraction any time soon. They haven’t lost since 1991 but this is only their 4th year in the EBAL. They have played some close games the past couple of years and may face some more close games in the future. The bottom line is they are a better fit for all sports in the EBAL than any other league in NorCal, other than maybe the WCAL but they do not want to travel that far. They raise the bar for all teams.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Agreed there are qualifying “standards ” for private schools. They want students for all four years as transfers are harder to get than 8th graders. Thus, want at least a decent student who’ll last the four years. However, there are exceptions to the vetting processes for some schools. Not a well known fact, but suffice to say, you get to “know your neighbor” K-8. I will add, know several families/students who played exactly “by the book” to get their kids in, some athletes, some not. Those are the overwhelming majority.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:34 pm
What school puts out hundreds of pro athletes in the first place regardless of circumstances?
October 31st, 2011 at 3:36 pm
HS football fan,
If you talk to most youth football players in the area and asks them where they want to go to school they will say De la Salle and if you look at the Varsity Roster for De La Salle you will see a lot of players that were very good youth football players around the area and where coached up before they even got to De La. De La Salle’s winning tradition attracts kids from all over the area that want to be on a winning team and have an opportunity to play at the highest level(state) and be noticed by college recruiters down the road. The public schools can not compete with this. The public school players are always subject to their geographical boundaries. The players that lie about their address are usually found out and kicked out of their high schools when the districts find out the truth.
I am not knocking what De La has I am just pointing out that when your enrollment is open to anyone and they have the advantage of many good players wanting to play at their school every year, they are bound to end up with great football teams. It is very hard for a public school to compete, even if they are large EBAL schools. A school like De La Salle would be better suited for a league that has other private high schools. It would be better competition for De La Salle since the two schools that gave them a tough time this year were both private schools and it would give the public HS a more even playing field.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:36 pm
To set that as the bar for determining whether a school has talent or not is incredibly unrealistic as the chances of anybody making it professionally is slim to none.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Chalk,
Dude! I am not following you here, what are you trying to convey here bud??
October 31st, 2011 at 3:49 pm
They use to tell me when my talent fails u have to use ur technique BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TECHNIQUE IS ALL U HAVE AND THAT FAILS
O I KNOW U LOOK TO dls SIDE LINE COACH WHAT DO I DO NOW
October 31st, 2011 at 3:57 pm
sILVERngreen
ur like a lil nerd dude!!! that got his lunch money taken
i bet if u got the shit slapped out of u — ur comprehension level would rise to the occasion
October 31st, 2011 at 4:09 pm
HS Football Fan re #69, It is true that all the public schools in the EBAL have some advantages over the public schools in say the Hayward area schools for the reasons you mentioned, no question. But the public schools in the EBAL are all in the same league so they are for the most part on equal footing with each other. Maybe not when it comes to NCS, but a school like Hayward is D2 anyway and doesn’t face any EBAL schools in the playoffs.
I don’t think anyone has said that EBAL public schools don’t have certain advantages over schools in other areas. That is why they are one of the top leagues in NorCal every year. I have yet to see anyone try to deny that reality. It is the public vs. private advantage argument that tends to get rather heated.
October 31st, 2011 at 4:16 pm
the EBAL schools have far better coaching staffs
and the player are geared for thier system from pop warner on
OTHER COACH TRY 2 FORCE THEIR SYSTEM WHICH MAY NOT BE SUITABLE 4 THIS SPECIFIC TEAM so until the get they exact player for their system they look like crap !!!
October 31st, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Chalk,
Your nonsense is pretty funny, I’ve followed your rambles for the last 3 years and the one consistent thing you have going for you is your inability to ever make sense. We need some humor in these boards, you certainly provide that! You mentioned that you are going back to coaching. God help us! Be well Chalk!
October 31st, 2011 at 5:01 pm
FNL,
What I am hearing from you is that DLS should play in a private schools only league, right? Should the same apply for the other privates in NCS?
October 31st, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Private schools have good teams because they demand a higher standard of behavior and work ethic from the students, they often have better coaches that can supplement lack of natural talent with excellent technique and game plan, and their students generally come from stable families that are supportive of their participation in athletics. That is all.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:12 pm
my deepest apologies 4 not using the kings English
or maybe u prefer SHAKESPEARE
IDLE CREATURE WHAT TRADE ART THOU
ART THOU A MENDER OF FOUL SOULS
take that kindness back to the seminary
god-sped to u fine sir
October 31st, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Hey Prep Fan — got tipped off by a current prep writer yesterday and felt like I should respond…that’s it for this year – back to the golf course!!
October 31st, 2011 at 5:39 pm
#63 Prep Fan. Pitt head to head win vs Freedom was by a large margin 35-14 while Pittt.s losses to Berkdley and DV were by 1pt OT. And Pitt had quality preseason wins and tough preseason sched vs the cupcake Freedom sched. There’s no way Pitt will seed lower than Freedom
. Calpreps rankings are not realistic they dont know what norcal.is like and they always have a socal bias. Dont believe their hype.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Prep Fan beat me to this post, HS Football Fan says “the whole uneven playing field is such a tired argument” Fact is “THAT IS THE ARGUMENT” Do EBAL schools have an advantage over almost all the other leagues (if not all) “sure they do” for most of the reasons HS Football fan stated. Whether its 1 advantage or 20, an advantage is an advantage. What bothers me about DLS, they think their advantage is coaching and player work ethic. Any coach will tell you “if you don’t have the athletes” you ain’t gonna win” and we all will admit (except for DLS) that DLS attracts most of the top athletes. Wikipedia notable “DLS” alumni, I challenge anybody out there to come up with a list half as long. It’s tough enough to watch the win streak continue, but even tougher is dealing with the arrogance on which they think the win steak is built.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:55 pm
look every dude i have ever trained with that went 2 DLS was soft
PERIOD well educated and soft as banana pudding
spoke the kings English but soft
a plethora of knowledge about the game.. could not perform any move that took talent. But knew exactly what 2 do
October 31st, 2011 at 6:12 pm
are u kidding me go look at skyline high notable
and its a public school
October 31st, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Very few DLS supporters deny that DLS has gotten talent. But that win streak started on the back of much less talented teams. Lad came into a losing program and changed the mindset and the attitude of the players. The hard work of those early teams that led to the success DLS enjoyed eventually attracted some of the prep superstars who have come through that program. Keep in mind before the 151 game win streak DLS had two other win streaks, one stopped by MV in the NCS finals on the infamous controversial call, and the other by the Pitt Pirates in the 91 NCS finals. Both were incredibly close games. Those teams were not as talented as the late streak teams particularly 98-03. The two most notable players to come through the program before the streak started were probably Aaron Taylor and Amani Toomer.
This point is highlighted that between the classes of 1983 to 1992 or the 1982 seasons to the 91 season before the streak started, DLS sent 23 players to play college football regardless of division for an average of 2.3 per year or about 2.
Take a look at the classes of 93 to 2011 or the teams of 92 to 2010 and you have 105 players sent to colleges regardless of level and you have 5.5 per year.
So to say that DLS fans saying that their advantage has been coaching and work ethic isn’t too far off base. Because if that doesn’t change when Lad comes in, DLS doesn’t attract the caliber of football players they eventually did and still do. It’s a perfect storm that came together and has led to a successful program.
October 31st, 2011 at 6:19 pm
d miller- the first part of your post was right on. the rest of your post was spin to avoid a complete dismissal of the great DLS/EBAL theory, even though the facts debunk this theory.
you private school haters: why do SJS public schools dominate the privates in football???
it is funny to read the “DLS/un level playing field” crowd try to dismiss/minimize the public school advantages in the EBAL- classic!
October 31st, 2011 at 6:28 pm
#85 S1lverngreen,
I haven’t put a lot of thought to this subject but I if I was pressed to answer the question I would say yes. Of the top 10 ranked schools in California 8 of them are privates, the advantage does go to the privates.
#86 Patrick
How do you explain the public schools in Acalanes school district and San Ramon Valley SD? These schools have very high academic standards and their graduates go on to do great things but I’m sure that a kid like Bart Houston did not go to De La Salle for the higher academic standards, he would have done fine academically at SRVHS or Monte Vista.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Sure he would have done fine. I’m sure he’s a great young man that would have been both a successful student and a talented athlete anywhere. I’m not entirely sure how that relates to my particular argument. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. I just get a tad tired of the public/private thing. There are very good public schools that have figured out the formula for winning: good coaching and high standards of behavior and academics that translate to high standards of success in all aspects of life. The only “unfair” advantage of a private school is that, as I said, its population tends to have more supportive and stable families and children. Many of the negative influences are not there. However, this is seen in public schools in the Lamorinda area and a few of those (the ones with good coaching) have very good athletics. There are things some private schools do to win that public schools could easily do as well. I just have never heard a good argument as to why privates should play in their own leagues, playoffs, etc. I’m from the North Bay, so unfortunately, I have to put it in perspective of the area I’m most familiar with. Cardinal Newman is the best and most consistent team in that area. They have more NCS titles than anyone but De La Salle. However, the most talent in the county almost always goes Casa Grande, Rancho Cotate, Montgomery, and then Newman. Newman makes up for what they are missing in talented bodies with good coaching, work ethic, and culture of doing their best. When public schools figure that out, they’ll do just fine. Del Oro hasn’t been complaining about the unfair advantages of private schools. They don’t always get tons of talent. They just coach and push the kids they have to be the best. Seems to work for them. Probably could work at any number of public and private schools with poor programs.
November 1st, 2011 at 7:25 am
As far as public vs private, particularly De La most people don’t think it’s not fair. It is what it is. I think what bothers everyone the most is that there is no admission of an advantage. It’s not about fairness, its about honesty.
November 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
Panther,
One of the advantages of the privates is the “no boundaries” I certainly don’t dispute that. I think the one disadvantage that the privates have that many of the folks fail to acknowledge is that not every kid that applies into a private gets in. My understanding was that this past year DLS had over 700 incoming freshmen applications, I believe they accepted 260 or so. Is that not a disadvantage? Publics need not worry about that. Lastly, if the privates have such an advantage why is it that all the other private schools are not dominating in every sport? Encinal is not private, year in and year out they are extremely competitive in football. Look at the to 15 rankings in the bay area, I see 2 publics in the top 15. By the way, I went to Richmond High back in the 80′s, no regrets, went on to college, etc.
November 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am
Ok so a ton of kids who apply don’t get in…I get that. How many of those turned away are marquee football players? Yes the public schools have the benefit of taking everyone who comes their way, but that isn’t always a blessing. IMO having 700 applicants to choose from sounds like a pretty good deal. They always seem to find a few players from that group. Again, I’m not talking about fairness, just an admission that they have an advantage over other non privates. Answer this question for me…This is one that all Spartans shy away from and don’t ever answer. If Lad had taken over Granada high in the 80′s would he have been as successful as he was at De La Salle? Does he have the streaks that he had? I think we both know the answer to that one.
November 1st, 2011 at 10:40 am
Last time I checked, how fast you run the 40 yard dash wasn’t included in the application process. DLS doesn’t accept students solely on athletic ability, nor does that factor in.
Do they have the advantage of no boundaries? Yes, but public schools, at least in Washington, have feeder schools/youth teams/etc. that feed in to their program. Where public school teams have kids that grow up playing together, private schools have to mold players into a team.
November 1st, 2011 at 10:51 am
this is sick how about u get a coach that knows how to beat DLS . The Talent is not the reason they keep winning its the lack of coaching on their opponent part. the fact that most high school coach were not talented players themselves and most get the job cuz they are model citizen WHO IN THE HELL WOULD SEND A MODEL CITIZEN TO B A GENERAL IN A WAR. PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO LOSE
dls doesnt have the best QB
dls doesnt have the best RB
or WR or LB or CB or d-line
the o-line and the rolling start is the best part of the team. AND NO ONE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP THE OLINE wow.
November 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
DLS, BOD, Cardinal Newman, Marin Catholic, St. Marys, St. Pats, St. Joesph, Salesian, Berean Christian, St. Liz, Head Royce would be a beautiful league
November 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am
U THINK U CAN TEACH A KID HOW TO B VIOLENT AND U HAVE A BEAUTIFUL RECIPE 4 QUICHE!!!
WAR IS NOT LEARN IN A BOOK OR DVD SOME FAKE ASS CAMP OR SEMINAR ( experiences is the best teacher) So if u never thought like a predator it kinda hard 2 explain how predators think
November 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am
Panther,
I’ll answer your question, however, you probably will not like/agree with my answer. Yes, coach Lad would have built a succesful program at Granada. I can go on and on as to why, however, i somehow believe you will not want to hear that. Would he have been able to win 151 straight? That, i can’t answer, no one ever expected DLS or any team to run such an incredible streak. I will tell you this, my son has played for Lad for 3 years, i’d like to believe that I have just a bit more insight into his program than you. I have a ton of respect for some of the programs in the area, Cal high, SRV, Encinal, Pitt, good football programs that believe in year round commiment and off season dedication. Based on some of their postings by some of their fans on this blog, they welcome DLS and the fact that the bar is raised at least in Football. Good football to you sir!
November 1st, 2011 at 11:32 am
chalktalk – You’ve posted a couple of things here that I’m guessing some folks may be unwilling to comment about.
You wrote “… eliminating people that can do the job better than u is nothing short of racism…”
I’m curious what group of people have been eliminated in your mind?
You wrote “… not returning kicks out of the endzone suits a certain class of people…”
Which “class of people” does this suit in your mind?
You wrote “… all the rule changes in the NFL suits a certain class of people. THEY TOOK BASEBALL BACK I GUESS FOOTBALLS NEXT…”
Who, in your mind, is “they”?
You wrote “… MEAN WHILE THE BEST FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE BAY AREA MOST LIKELY SELL DRUGS CARRY GUNS MOMS AND POPS ARE ON HEAVY DOPE o yeah their only way out was sports but u took that from them SOON AS THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOMENT WAS GOING 2 LEVEL THE PLAYING FLIED…”
As a coach, I am sadly aware of the truth of this comment; many fine young men (and women) are lost to the streets and certainly many of them might very well have been stars on the athletic fields. But again, who is the “U” that “… took that from them…”?
You wrote “… **new rule GPA** after all if you didnt make the kids pass a test would any of ur kids ever see the field.”
I’m curious about this because my mother competed in athletics at Castlemont HS in OAL the 40′s and was required to maintain a certain GPA in order to remain eligible back then. To what “new rule GPA” are you referring?
November 1st, 2011 at 11:54 am
i dont think anybody pays attention to half of what chalk talk says. out of every 10 comments there might be one rational post.
if nobody has good coaching kick that recliner upward, put the remote down, the laptop, throw away the bag of potato chips, beer, and week old pizza box and go grab a clip board and take DLS on then…otherwise you are just another monday morning QB posting idiotic and racist comments.
great talent doesn’t always equal great teams. it helps and is needed but the balance of talent and team attitude, work ethic, coaching, etc plays a greater role and that is where DLS wins. i am not a fan of DLS and would wish to see them in a place of like advantages (like the WCAL). but they are still a model of greatness.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Ok silverngreen at least you answered, sort of. I am sure that Coach Lad would have been successful at granada as many coaches have. However, successful isn’t what I asked. Would he have coached a team for 2 decades that was so dominant, virtually no one could compete with. If he had to play the hand he was dealt, year in and year out? I love coach Lad, he is a great coach. I know and played with several De La grads and probably know a bit more about the program than you think. The real question I would like you to answer, saying a simple yes or no…Would he have been as successful, we’re talking wins and losses at a normal public school?
November 1st, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Panther says:
The real question I would like you to answer, saying a simple yes or no…Would he have been as successful, we’re talking wins and losses at a normal public school?
Simple answer, yes.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I’ll answer your question S1lverngreen as to whether Lad would win 151 at Granada or any other public school in the east bay…..HELL NO!!! It is just so laughable that any and all DLS supporters just can’t admit they have a competitive advantage over the publics. And not just a small advantage, but a HUGE one. For decades now, DLS has been able to pull kids from as west as Richmond, as north as Vallejo, as east as Brentwood & as south as Plesanton. The key is that DLS is the only private school cenetered in this entire area (not including Berean Christian & VC who are relative newcomers to football). Imagine having access to a population base of nearly a million people – that is the advantage DLS has that no other private school can match. Compare this with the 50,000 +/- people a standard public high school draws from.
This is why DLS should be in the WCAL. They still would have a huge advantage over any of those teams because of the geographical/population adavantage they have here in the east bay, but it is at least somewhat mitigated because the Peninsula has a denser population than the greater Concord area.
There is nothing to apologize for here. I am a huge DLS supporter. I just hate to be contiunually insulted by DLS bloggers who talk about Lad, his coaching accumen & the Brotherhood, as the sole reason for all their acheivements. Winning 151 in a row and not losing to a bay area team since 1991 is proof enough of what I am talking about; it is self evident. Since the late 80′s the program has been feeding on itself, reaping the benefits of what Coach Lad created, continually hauling in the better football prospects in the greater east bay. Its not so much the football stars they have attracted, although they have had much more than their share, but the depth at every position, that no public school could ever hope to match. I have seen two incredible football playing athletes from my own community in the East Bay last year who elected to go to DLS and become integral parts of the freshman & current JV team. Mind you, these two athletes would be the stars of their local HS team; at DLS they are just one of several very good athletes who will no doubt contribute to the varsity program in the next few years, adding that precious depth that most public schools will never have the luxury of having.
Not until Lad hangs it up in 2025 or so will any bay area public school team have a realistic chance to knock off DLS. Until then, we may one day see a DLS loss to a bay area team; bet your bottom dollar it will be a WCAL or other private school team that does it.
November 1st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
#105
maybe casltemont was the only school that required a GPA sir cuz my mom played in the 60′s no gpa required 19 year old were on the field and the best football player r usually morons IQ just above 70 BUT THEY DONT GET 2 PLAY CUZ GOD DIDNT BLESS THEM WITH INTELLIGENCE
( O IM QUITE SURE U KNOW HOW THEY ARE)
THE ONE THAT TAKE PILLS 2 RUN AS FAST
2 BE AS STRONG 2 JUMP AS HIGH THE ONES WHOSE GENETIC MAKE UP IS NATURALLY INFERIOR open ur eyes there everywhere!!!
November 1st, 2011 at 12:32 pm
#105
maybe casltemont was the only school that required a GPA sir cuz my mom played in the 60′s no gpa required 19 year old were on the field and the best football player r usually morons IQ just above 70 BUT THEY DONT GET 2 PLAY CUZ GOD DIDNT BLESS THEM WITH INTELLIGENCE
( O IM QUITE SURE U KNOW HOW THEY ARE)
THE ONE THAT TAKE PILLS 2 RUN AS FAST
2 BE AS STRONG 2 JUMP AS HIGH THE ONES WHOSE GENETIC MAKE UP IS NATURALLY INFERIOR open ur eyes there everywhere!!!
THE BRADY RULE DOES A FAST QB NEED THAT NO ONLY THE SLOW STATIONARY ONES THE SITTING DUCK
November 1st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Panther. No doubt in my mind Granada would be the dominant ffotball program in Nor Cal with Lad at the helm.
Can you answer this question: what woud DLS program look like if Silva took over in 1979?
November 1st, 2011 at 1:07 pm
My guess is that Granada would have been a great and dominant program under Lad, but not near as dominant as DLS has been and would not be a national power, much less the most storied HS football program in history. And no 151 game streak.
Had Silva taken over the DLS program in 1979, he may have struggled since he was probably in 8th grade at the time
. DLS was a hidden football gem when Lad took over, and I imagine Silva would have been successful as he is a bright coach, but not anywhere near as successful as Lad has been. Lad and DLS has been the perfect storm and I can’t see this working out quite as successfully in any other scenario.
The DLS program is now a juggernaut that will undoubtedly continue on long after Lad retires as he has many assitants that are all locked in to the DLS methods and traditions that Lad has established.
November 1st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Junior, no I don’t think that De La would have been as successful as they are under Lad, minus the fact that Silva would have been a teenager. Lad is a great coach, one of the best there has ever been at the high school level most likely, and he is a huge key to the success that De La has had over the years. There is no disputing that. All I’m looking for is an admission of an advantage over public schools.
Also, I have to disagree that Lad would have done at Granada what he’s done at De La salle. No way! There are plenty of great High school coaches out there particularly in the EBAL. I use coach Sweeney at Foothill as an example. He get’s the most out of his kids every year. But if Sweeney and Lad switch schools with the current personnell difference, Sweeney wins every time. Same with the QB issue. I had to laugh at De La’s qb saying to the reporter after the game, “I had to prove to myself and everyone else, that I was the best qb on the field tonight.” That is debatable. Switch the QB’s and Kline has the night that Houston had, and Houston struggles like Kline did. but that is a different discussion all together.
November 1st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
I saw that quote and winced when I saw it. I’m sure that Bart did not mean it to come out that way, but if you are going to be a D1 QB, you need to be very careful in what and how you say things to reporters. Something to the effect of “I know Kline is a great QB and that I would need to be on my best game tonight for us to win”, would have been a much better choice of words.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
chalktalk, what are you referring to????
did you coach or play at some level of success?
how could you understand the DLS plan if you didn’t attend or coach there?
most sideliners still can’t figure out DLS and won’t.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Houston comments in paper were ok my me. He’s taken a lot of pressure and comments this year, including me. He had a great game and was the top QB on the field that nite, as for Kline, what a gun, but the majority of his sacks were from him stepping out of the pocket, it’s not like he didn’t have time, he didn’t find receivers, very good coverage from de La db’s. He attempted to run more than normal. He didn’t do it and didn’t get his team in the red zone. For a QB that’s averaging almost 300 plus a game and highly recruited, he laid the egg, just like a whole-lot-of Div 1 QB’s in the past did playing De La. He’ll remember it playing at Cal, never beating de La. Hat’s off to Houston, he was candid but brutality honest after a long silence this year.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Chalktalk – We still aren’t there yet…
You wrote: “maybe casltemont was the only school that required a GPA sir cuz my mom played in the 60′s no gpa required”
Well my brother played in the 60’s and I played in the 70’s at two different East Bay schools (same district) and we BOTH had GPA requirements. You seem to think this is a new thing and I’m sorry, it’s just not.
You wrote: “19 year old were on the field and the best football player r usually morons IQ just above 70 BUT THEY DONT GET 2 PLAY CUZ GOD DIDNT BLESS THEM WITH INTELLIGENCE”
I have been coaching for close to 30 years now and if you are trying to tell me that intelligence is not an important part in the success of a player, be it High School or beyond, you are quite simply wrong. I’ve had kids who had all the physical tools but couldn’t compete because they couldn’t remember plays, had no field or game awareness and quite simply were a detriment to their teammates. Is there occasionally a kid who makes up for lack of intelligence with physical prowess? Sure, but it’s far more rare than common.
Okay, here we are – you wrote “( O IM QUITE SURE U KNOW HOW THEY ARE) THE ONE THAT TAKE PILLS 2 RUN AS FAST 2 BE AS STRONG 2 JUMP AS HIGH THE ONES WHOSE GENETIC MAKE UP IS NATURALLY INFERIOR open ur eyes there everywhere!!!”
Who are THEY? Please just answer the question directly.
You wrote: “THE BRADY RULE DOES A FAST QB NEED THAT NO ONLY THE SLOW STATIONARY ONES THE SITTING DUCK”
If you honestly believe that the Brady Rule is about anything other than money you are naïve at best. The NFL is a QB League. People pay to see the best QB’s. If the best QB’s go down, revenue goes down. And because the NFL is a BUSINESS, it pays to protect there biggest investments. You may not like it, but MONEY is the impetus for the Brady Rule, nothing else.
November 1st, 2011 at 2:49 pm
BIG joe
u think football is so complex equation
well its not
Bruce LEE once said martial arts is a series of scripted moves SO IF I STUDY UR TECHNIQUE I CAN MAKE U MOVE LIKE A PUPPET ( can u make DLS move like puppets of course u can they are like a machine and machines dont think they are programmed to react)
November 1st, 2011 at 3:03 pm
yes u r right it is about money
BRady is only the best QB because they change the rules
if they didnt change the rule there would be no tom BRADY
SO U PROVED MY POINT
do u honestly think mike vicK cant go 4wr and hook side 4 5yds almost ever play well HE COULD BUT IF THEY PLAYED THE GAME LIKE THAT no peyton no brady no jobs 4 the slow none athletic dudes
November 1st, 2011 at 3:31 pm
A chalk talk is when a coach or teacher helps make plays, formations, concepts, or rules easier to understand with visual aid. CHALKTALK is a confusing compilation of irrelevance, hyperbole, juvenile insults, and misplaced testosterone-driven frustration that ultimately just makes a blog more confusing and irritating. If the posts were actually written in English, I might be angered or offended by some of the implications they contain.
November 1st, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Voice,
No need to answer my question, i already did.
November 1st, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Patrick
well put THOSE PSYCH CLASSES HAVE
REALLY PAID OFF im proud of u Patrick
LET C back to the brady rule
the DE are faster and stronger then ever b4
so 2 naturalize the DE talent u come up with the brady rule WOW SO THE (QB) POSITION IS NOW LIKE THE dh IN BASEBALL hay i know just put a dude in a wheelchair back there cuz u no longer need legs!!!
ITS about money right so whose face would u market TOM BRADY OR MIKE VICK…
let me lay down cuz im resting my case
November 1st, 2011 at 5:41 pm
S1lverngreen – Everyone on this blog knew you would say yes, exposing yourself in the process; nicely done!
November 1st, 2011 at 6:18 pm
tired arguments, happens every year so it must be said AGAIN! Believe it or not, families also send their kids to De La Salle for the Catholic religious teachings and those philosophies. It is hard for many non-churchgoers to understand but is a huge factor. The world does not revolve around sports and academics, there is a spiritual side as well. These values could be taught in a public school… well that’s a different discussion altogether.
November 1st, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Many times I have read private school defenders agree there are some advantages to being private. Not once have I read private school haters agree the publics have advantages too:
no tution
feeder programs
no commuting
no admission standards
typically better facilities
It goes both ways.
Study the SJS public schools domination- it can be done.
November 1st, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Voice,
You come in this discussion late in the game and spout off…expose myself? To what? This argument is old and tired, it’s been debated in the blogs for years….get off your soap box and read my original answer, sounds as if you have sort of inferiority complex and get off wanting to get into a pissing match..not going to get it from me pal. Now, back to football!
November 1st, 2011 at 8:29 pm
EBAL fan,
De La Salle does offer a strong Catholic education, I am wondering how many of the boys on the football team are there for Catholic education? Talk about tired arguments.
November 1st, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Chalktalk we are getting closer…
You wrote: “BRady is only the best QB because they change the rules if they didnt change the rule there would be no tom BRADY SO U PROVED MY POINT”
Your cognition is a tad suspect. Brady was in the league for 9 seasons before they made this rule change. He had already won 3 Super Bowls and was considered one of the top QB’s in the league PRIOR to the rule change. So, yes there was a Tom Brady and your point is disproved.
You wrote “do u honestly think mike vicK cant go 4wr and hook side 4 5yds almost ever play well HE COULD BUT IF THEY PLAYED THE GAME LIKE THAT no peyton no brady no jobs 4 the slow none athletic dudes”
There would very likely be no Mike Vick. Do you honestly think that if a team starting playing that way that defensive coaches would not come up with a scheme to stop it? You want to have your QB hit on virtually EVERY play? No way would an “athletic dude” last a season without a serious injury. Additionally, do you think fans WANT to watch that kind of an offense?
The real fallacy of your argument is that if Mike Vick (or other “athletic dude”) had the position skills on a par with Brady or Manning along with their superior “athletic dude” skills, then he would be the best QB in the game. The simple fact is that he isn’t even in the upper echelon of QB’s precisely BECAUSE he rely’s more on his “athletic dude” skill set and doesn’t work enough on his passing and leadership skills.
Also, back to my prior questions which you’ve conveniently ignored; be a man and give a straight forward honest answer:
105. I’m curious what group of people have been eliminated in your mind?
105. Which “class of people” does this suit in your mind?
105. Who, in your mind, is “they”?
105. who is the “U” that “… took that from them…”?
118. Who are THEY? Please just answer the question directly.
November 1st, 2011 at 10:44 pm
#129
they came up with a way 2 stop tom brady so they change the rules
do u c what cam newton is doing well mike VICK was a hundred times better then that and they tried 2 make him a pocket passer
what defense do u have 4 a QB that run A 4.2
in a spread none ur tripping he can get 5yds and slide
IF U DONT THINK THE RULE CHANGES SUIT A CERTAIN PEOPLE LOOK WHO IS GETTING FINED well it anit the slow dudes
November 1st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
I think Epcthree is my favorite new poster. This thread and exchange with Chalk has been pretty entertaining! Certain people (myself included) are amazed at your patience!
November 2nd, 2011 at 7:12 am
THAT FACT THAT U DONT KNOW Y TOM BRADY AND PEYTON MANNING R GOOD MEANS UR A novice so i will try an explain they made a system that suits their ability THAT SAME SYSTEM TELL A qB THAT HE SHOULDNT RUN WITH 10YDS OF SPACE IN FRONT OF HIM maybe u should run if ur slow but if u run a 4.2 run
U THINK PEYTON SOME GENIUS BECAUSE HE CHANGES THE PLAY 10X B4 HE SNAPS THE BALL BULL SHIT **rule change 4 peyton manning i can go under center -back out head bob send a bunch of people in motion simulate the snap motion forward pick my leg up then move foward…
FYI SPY GATE U ASSHOLE IS CHEATING
FYI THE TUCK RULE CHEATING
so TOM BRADY been in the league 4 nine years 9 years of cheating 2 make and inferior athlete very successful…
(they- them -certain class of people- the slow dudes- always cheat) u can compete on a level playing field
November 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am
wall street = slow dudes
G.O.P. = GRAND OLD PARTY = SLOW DUDES
SARAH PALIN = SLOW WOMAN
THE PROBLEM IS IM BLOGGING WITH THE DEVIL
AND THE DEVIL WOULD LIKE ME TO VACATION IN HELL
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:26 am
Chalk…
Wow, there’s so much here to reply to; I just don’t know where to start… Okay here goes:
You wrote: “they came up with a way 2 stop tom brady so they change the rules”
They “stopped” Tom Brady? Really? The season before his injury, he threw for 50 touchdowns. That’s in a single season. Last year, the “stopped” Tom Brady threw for 36 touchdowns and led his team to a 14-2 record. If that is your idea of “stopping” someone, I‘m pretty confident you have no business on a sideline.
You wrote: “do u c what cam newton is doing well mike VICK was a hundred times better then that and they tried 2 make him a pocket passer what defense do u have 4 a QB that run A 4.2 in a spread none ur tripping he can get 5yds and slide.
A couple of points here. Mick Vick NEVER ran a 4.2 40. His best recorded time was 4.36 during his rookie year mini-camp. If you are going to attempt to cite something, at least try to avoid the hyperbole and state an actual fact. Next point; do you honestly believe that if the Atlanta Falcons could have won every game with your inspiring game plan, that they wouldn’t have done so? ANY NFL team, if they had the ability to win every game with some silly fans’ idea of an offense, would do so in a heartbeat. You can claim this as a legitimate idea all you like, but it’s simply a pipedream.
You wrote: “IF U DONT THINK THE RULE CHANGES SUIT A CERTAIN PEOPLE LOOK WHO IS GETTING FINED well it anit the slow dudes”
I’m a little confused as to your logic here. Are you saying the “athletic dudes” ARE getting fined? Is your “go-to athletic dude” Mike Vick getting fined? Okay, I think you meant to say that the (in your mind) slower pocket passers in the NFL are the recipients of calls by officials and those players who are hitting THEM are getting fined more often. Well, in 2011, there have been 12 fines levied against players for roughing the passer. Only one quarterback has had players fined more than once for a roughing penalty. This quarterback has had players fined three times for hitting him late or illegally. Come on… you know who it is. You MUST know… Okay I’ll tell you; it’s Mike Vick. So I guess your argument about those “slow dudes” is, well… wrong.
You wrote: “THAT FACT THAT U DONT KNOW Y TOM BRADY AND PEYTON MANNING R GOOD MEANS UR A novice so i will try an explain they made a system that suits their ability THAT SAME SYSTEM TELL A qB THAT HE SHOULDNT RUN WITH 10YDS OF SPACE IN FRONT OF HIM maybe u should run if ur slow but if u run a 4.2 run”
Wow, you are enlightening! Imagine a team setting up an offense around the strength of their QB??? Who knew??? Such revolutionary thinking!!! Well, we already debunked your 4.2 nonsense and frankly, your idea still remains a pipedream.
You wrote: “U THINK PEYTON SOME GENIUS BECAUSE HE CHANGES THE PLAY 10X B4 HE SNAPS THE BALL BULL SHIT **rule change 4 peyton manning i can go under center -back out head bob send a bunch of people in motion simulate the snap motion forward pick my leg up then move foward…”
Now here I have to agree with some of the previous posters. Is this English? I frankly have no idea what your point is here. With that in mind, I’ll try to respond. I think Payton Manning is an excellent quarterback because he is successful. He usually wins and has the ability to make virtually all of the throws a QB needs to make to be successful in the NFL. That’s all, no more – no less.
You wrote: “FYI SPY GATE U ASSHOLE IS CHEATING. FYI THE TUCK RULE CHEATING so TOM BRADY been in the league 4 nine years 9 years of cheating 2 make and inferior athlete very successful… (they- them -certain class of people- the slow dudes- always cheat) u can compete on a level playing field”
Well here I will agree; SpyGate was cheating. That said I don’t hold Tom Brady personally responsible for that, I would suggest that Bill Belichick is more appropriately to blame there. The Tuck Rule is NOT cheating. It may be a lame rule, but it was put in place by the league and it’s up to the league to enforce it or change it. I’m not sure why you feel that QB’s need to be overly “athletic” or really what that means to you. Is it simply speed? If so, then why wasn’t Bob Hayes a QB or Darrell Green a QB. The fact of the matter is that Tom Brady and Payton Manning and yes, Mike Vick are athletic enough to compete at the QB position at the highest level. That you can see and admit this is an interesting view into your psyche.
You wrote: “wall street = slow dudes, G.O.P. = GRAND OLD PARTY = SLOW DUDES, SARAH PALIN = SLOW WOMAN”
What in the world are you talking about? I wish you would actually just say what you REALLY think instead of this dancing around. Are you that gutless?
You wrote: “THE PROBLEM IS IM BLOGGING WITH THE DEVIL, AND THE DEVIL WOULD LIKE ME TO VACATION IN HELL”
By this I am assuming you are referring to me as the Devil. Well Chalk, I am hardly that. All I am asking is for you to stand up for yourself and say what you really mean. You seem incapable or at least unwilling to do that. I’m curious as to why. So I will ask once again –
105. I’m curious what group of people have been eliminated in your mind?
105. Which “class of people” does this suit in your mind?
105. Who, in your mind, is “they”?
105. who is the “U” that “… took that from them…”?
118. Who are THEY? Please just answer the question directly.
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:34 am
S1lverngreen – Didn’t intend to get into a pissing match with you and yes I am relatively new to the football blogs; no need to get nasty. Didn’t realize the extent of the DLS/private/public school debate was such a sore subject for you and other DLS supports.
I went to Moreau HS in the 70′s with Terry Eidson back when all the Catholic Schools were part of the Catholic Athletic League. We used to grouse then about the advantage DLS had because they had a bigger population base than any of the other CAL teams.
What no one figured on was that a coaching genius like Ladouceur (and more recently Alloco) could leverage this advantage and become dominant in their sport. Note this isn’t the case for all sports at DLS, only in sports where the head coach has had a chance to create or extend a culture of excelence in that particular sport. This is why DLS baseball, for instance, has not risen to the level of football and basketball.
Bottom line, I admire all that DLS had achieved; I just wish they could somehow figure out a way to join the WCAL where, with the exception of geography, they are a natural fit.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:26 am
Way to live up to your name Voice of Reason. I totally agree. Want to lend some of your reason to CHALKTALK? Perhaps some of your grammar usage as well would be a most beneficial offering. If CHALKTALK had gone to De La Salle or any other Catholic school, I’m sure they would have taught him better reasoning and English. Hablo espanol mejor que el habla ingles y no soy muy bien con la lengua.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:43 am
@silvergreen
Hey all long time no chat. I haven’t been on the blogs alot this year because I have been traveling for work so I have only been to 3 games. I am going to give MV credit this year for playing hard in all there games (except Serra, bad game). I think MV at 15 is ok considering the year they have had I didnt ex
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 am
epcthree
u dont haVE 2 blame tom brady 4 spy gate but he benefits from it
u dont blame people 4 slavery either but they benefit from it
MOST RULES AND LAWS ARE MADE TO oppress ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER
the new rule in football oppress the best athelets
by the way i admire ur writing skills
105. I’m curious what group of people have been eliminated in your mind?
105. Which “class of people” does this suit in your mind?
105. Who, in your mind, is “they”?
105. who is the “U” that “… took that from them…”?
118. Who are THEY? Please just answer the question directly.
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Chalk – Still no answers?
Did Brady benefit greatly from SpyGate? Perhaps – I would consider that up for debate and I’m sure there would be those who feel he benefitted substantially and others who would argue he benefitted very little. We’ll never really know but suffice it to say, he’s been relatively successful since that “advantage” has been removed, so I think we can let it go for now.
Your assumption that I don’t “blame people 4 slavery” is interesting. I’m curious why you feel that way since I’ve made no mention of it in my writings on this blog. Would you care to expand on your reasoning?
Your argument that “most rules and laws are made to oppress one group or another” is certainly another interesting concept. Rather than worry about laws though, let’s stick to football. The Brady Rule by all accounts was made to “Protect The Position of QB.” This was the stated reasoning at the time and the league has been consistent in this position as well as the enforcement of the rule. You claimed that it only benefitted “slow-dude” QB’s and punished “athletic-dude” QB’s (like Mike Vick) yet Mike Vick is, thus far this season, the greatest benefactor of the “Brady Rule”. You conveniently ignored this like you’ve ignored my other points and questions.
Are you going to provide direct answers to my questions in this post and my previous posts? Or are you going to remain a coward and simply not respond? You’ve made all sorts of veiled accusations, why not just say what you mean to say and we can discuss it out in the open? It’s not hard. Just type what you REALLY want to type and we’ll go from there.
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Voice,
We are good, enjoying my kid’s last season at DLS that’s all. Appreciate your insight with your experince at Moreau. Coach E, the Dude is intense, was he like that @ Moreau? Lad and Coach E are like the ying and the yang of that program.
MV alum,
Welcome back! Tell you what, Lockie like Kline is the real deal. I can see why the ducks came calling. Good speed and throws a good ball. Good luck and hope your boys make the play offs.
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm
how about we meet in person so we can see how cowardly i am
u conveniently act as if u dont know what im say
ur a smart guy figure it out
as for a veil several people know who i am on this blog
i dont bite my tongue i humble myself only 2 GOD
SO IF I BOW MY HEAD ITS ONLY 2 GET PROPER POSITIONING TO CRUSH UR larynx PUNK!!!
November 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
CHALKTALK, were you formerly know as G.O.A.T. a few years back?
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Oh Chalk…
Now we resort to online threats?
There are several types of cowardice Chalk.
There is physical cowardice of which I have no inkling if you possess it or not.
There are men who are cowards in their dealing with women or children. I have no clue as to whether this is something that could be corrected attributed to you or not.
And there are still other types which I can’t possibly know you might or might nor possess.
Frankly, I have no idea if you are 4’6” or 6”6”; 120 pounds or 320 pounds. I don’t know if you are god fearing, an atheist or somewhere in between. I have no REAL way of knowing if you are White or Hispanic or Black or of mixed race. And the reality is that none of the above is in any way important to this conversation.
Finally though we move onto intellectual cowardice of which you are quite guilty. You seem to have a position which you are unwilling to come right out and say. You are right, I AM a smart guy. I am confident that I know what your position is. This is why I am asking you to come out with it. Let’s get it on the table so we can TALK about it. Because the fact of the matter is that you lied on your most recent post. You ARE biting your tongue and haven’t been man enough to put your beliefs out there for everyone to see.
So I ask, yet again. Just WHO are you referring to in your previous posts Chalk?
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Your antagonistic line of questioning has inflamed the situation. I was merely stating my beliefs on certain scenarios and don’t see the need to state the obvious.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Chalk:
How can a question be antagonistic? It is simply a question. You simply are unwilling to answer it. THAT is intellectual cowardice which is what I state you are guilty of. It’s relatively simple. You will either answer the question or not. If you feel strongly enough about your views, you will answer it directly. If not, you will continue to play word games and not be man enough to stand by your beliefs. Again, not difficult and certainly not antagonistic. Just a question that you are choosing not to answer.
November 2nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Chalktalk is a bullie and racist. Race and threats have no place in sports or life today. Don’t care what happened in the past. America is made up of all races. To play the white vs. black game today is a farce and for the weak minded. Last time I checked football players don’t care about race, played in the early ’70′s on several levels, race NEVER came up.
Race comes up with the few who NEVER played successful sports and who are not diverse. When you play college you better be diverse, cause you don’t know your new teammates from adam, they come from all economic backgrounds.
November 2nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Cmon chalk be cool man no need for violence we just talking hs football its ok to be pasionate about your position but no need for threats lets all chill out and enjoy the games cause at the end of the day they’re only games
November 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
How can a question be antagonistic?
how about this u interrupt it how u want
its ur perception its ur reality
Hey man ur good
i wish i had the patience 2 write like that
ma’AM
somebodies gonna be on top somebody gonna b on the bottom
4 the bottom race to accomplish this Presidencies is nothing short of a miracle we are all truly blessed
YOMAMA some of my best friends are (Challenged)lol
U Know it takes a long time for a certain people to call another certain people a racist
im no racist i just like fast QUARTERBACKS
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Panther and Prep- The internet is cosmic. Check out this clip- those two D1 commit QB’s could learn a lesson in humility, and they will. One of them gets a second “redshirt” season after starting for three years….He SHOULD be “the best!” Haha.
It’s around 3:45 on.
http://www.kbcsports.com/ondemand/video/mediap.asp?GameID=3348
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm
FNL, it is the families (aka “the parents”) that desire that type of education. You never will get it.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Nice interview FNL. That’s what I’m talking about in knowing what to say to reporters. And I think most know exactly what you meant in your prior post 128.
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Yes Houston could have chosen better words to say, but given the year he has had I think there was a lot of emotion that came out after his best performance of the year by far. He has had a bad year so far, and it seemed to come together for him in this game. If you talked to Bart you would understand how humble he really is. He doesn’t showboat on the field or talk a lot of trash. He has let his play do the talking.
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:59 am
panther4
not sure where u got ur info from but if chalktalk is really goat then that explains it, he does say lots of similar things, his mouth is bigger than his size, his son was on the SL team 2 seasons ago, have to agree with djgaucho, this is a hs sports blog, some people seem to want to vent about race and being oppressed and etc, this is a HS SPORTS BLOG, go find a political blog, some people have too much pent up aggression, need some anger lease, go hit the punching bag, lift some wieghts, go jogging lil buddy, calm down some
November 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
Chalk:
It’s disappointing that you can’t stand up and just say what you want to say without all the games. You claim you don’t bite your tongue and are humble only before God, but you have shown here that you won’t man up and say what you really mean and are frankly humbled before us all.
Between your bizarre political analogies and your tirades against “slow-dude athletes” it seems apparent what you think, but I like to give people the opportunity to make themselves clear. You, for what ever reason can’t do this and more is the pity. Sad when people are too weak to actually back up what they say and/or stand behind it, especially when given a clear opportunity to do so.
Asalaam Alaikum
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
128 not mine but has some truth to it. Took awhile to find that clip, probably his first interview ever. There’s another one I saw on TV30 prior to Livermore game pretty much the same. Re 152, Emotion, frustration, ok. But being primed, especially with E11 with vid/mics continuously running, it would’ve solidified the “brotherhood” angle, and swizzled the not-to-be-outdone SRV (also an E11- “let’s separate the men from the boys”) swag, if that’s what came out. Young men, yes. Inexperienced? Hardly.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 am
I think Houston knew EXACTLY what he was saying and stands behind it. Did he know about the “Houston, We Have a Problem” T-shirts worn by the SRV fans and Team (and coach) at the Wolves rally before the game? Likely? Is there a friendly rivalry between Kline and Houston (and Lockie for that matter, but not so much)and do those kids want to beat each other real bad? Definitely! No emotion or frustration, that night he was stating facts.
Renegades, always always apologizing for DLS. Stop it.
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:32 am
Alaikum Asalaam my bean pie eating brother
u think im going to wear a suit and a bow tie when is 100 degrees outside come come now my good man
cant u see by the blogs i have no discipline
November 3rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
To EBALFan…
There are all sorts of underlying connections with the Houston family and San Ramon HS.
In the 60’s and early 70’s Fred Houston was the head football coach at San Ramon. In the early 70’s one of SR’s successful players was a young man named Bob Ladouceur. The QB of those successful SR teams on which Ladouceur played was a young man named Blair Thomas who went on the become Ladouceur’s offensive coordinator in Ladouceur’s early years at De La Salle. In the late 70’s at San Ramon, two kids fought for the QB position at San Ramon High School; Guy Houston and Troy Thomas. Guy was Fred Houston’s (who had retired as head coach) son and Troy was Blair Thomas’s younger brother. Guy eventually won the QB spot and led his SR team to an EBAL Championship in 1976. Along comes Bart Houston (named Bart after Bart Starr, QB of the Green Packers), son of Guy Houston at De La Salle and Zach Kline at San Ramon. Two Scholarshipped D1 QB’s who know one another well and have competed against one another for a while now.
Suffice it to say that there is enough history between the individuals involved over the years – it’s almost incestuous!
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 pm
i luv pork chops
i luv bacon
and yes i,ve had a LIONS share of pink meat (LOL)
yes indeed * now back 2 the game*
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
The sanctity of football is being violated. The reason that most people watch sports is to be amazed, to be able to say did you see that. Instead of players evolving into superior athletes the game is adjusting to a platform where mediocre athletes can have great success. The natural progression of self-preservation makes humans evolve and in order to get away from a massive hit, athletes would have to become bigger, stronger, faster, and quicker as well as have more agility.
There is nothing revolutionary about a handicapped QB hobbling back 7yrds and throwing the ball. This has occurred for years. The only thing that has changed is now you can’t hit the handicapped Quarterback sitting in the pocket. It’s called being conservative, sticking with the status quo. The D-line has gotten faster, stronger, more agile, why not make the QB do the same? Even worse, this will eventually migrate to all positions. Now you can’t hit a defenseless WR, what the hell is that? How did you get defenseless in the first place? IF YOU CAN’T PROTECT YOURSELF YOU SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING FOOTBALL….GO PLAY HARD TOUCH!!
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:29 pm
MY intellectual cowardice is showing
Epcthree where did u go
ur probably at a hot dog stand in the castro
somewhere over the rainbow!!! holding pink pom-poms
CHEER-LEADER
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Chalk… (160)
As though football has sanctity. When my father was a young man, he folded his leather helmet and stuck it in his back pocket on the way home from practice. Kids then were taught to tackle with their shoulders. Perhaps one of the hardest hitting players ever was a man by the name of Hardy Brown, an undersized linebacker who spent most of his career with the 49ers. He knocked out players with his shoulder tackles and was one of the main reasons that face masks were invented. As equipment improved it changed the way the game was played; your so-called sanctity.
Players have gotten bigger and faster. Equipment has improved. This has given people the feeling on invincibility. But the reality is that no one is invincible. It is incumbent upon those who are leaders in the game (owners, college presidents, officials and especially coaches) to ensure the safety of all those playing. This means periodic changing of the rules. Now in the pro game, dollars are often real motivation for change, but sometimes true safety comes into play. You may bemoan the movement of the kickoff back to 35, but it reduces the chance of injury (and more importantly injury to those marginal players who really can’t afford a life impacting event). Does it remove a potentially exciting part of the game? Sure it does. But this was also a part of the game that seemed to be marred at least 50% of the time by penalties anyway. I for one have no problem with the change. In other words, I am willing to give up a little excitement for some logical safety!
The way you see it, player safety is not a concern. If you are a youth coach as you claim, this mentality is ignorant at best and irresponsible at worst. What benefit do you provide kids by instructing them to crash into one another at full speed without technique being taught to them to avoid this contact? Do you rely on your players’ sheer physical talent and ability as a coach? If your point is to display survival of the fittest, I would submit to you that there are many places in nature that this lesson could be imparted other than on the field of play.
You wrote: “Even worse, this will eventually migrate to all positions. Now you can’t hit a defenseless WR, what the hell is that? How did you get defenseless in the first place? IF YOU CAN’T PROTECT YOURSELF YOU SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING FOOTBALL”
This mentality (of safety) SHOULD migrate to any position for which it is warranted. How does a player get defenseless? By acting with human nature and stretching for a pass that is obviously over his head. By punting a football and following through with a kick and looking like a barber pole. By losing a helmet on a play and opening themselves up for a player receiving coaching like yours looking to hit this young man in the skull with his helmet. You are a proponent of injury. You equate football to manhood, yet you have no real concept of what it is that makes a man.
I would suggest that, at your first opportunity, you go out and find a book titled “Season of Life: A Football Star, a Boy, a Journey to Manhood” by Jeffrey Marx. Then pick up “InSideOut Coaching: How Sports Can Transform Lives” by Joe Ehrmann. It is my fervent hope that you take the time to read and comprehend what it is these books are sharing. Please Chalk, stop inflicting your Neanderthal ideas on the youth of the Bay Area. You are doing them and the rest of society a disservice.
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:45 pm
And Chalk… Sigh…
Please keep the mind-numbing homophobic references and physical threats out of this. They are tiresome, boring and yes, do show your level of intellectual cowardice. Stick to the topic. Come up with facts. Try to support your positions logically. If you can’t than perhaps blogging is something you should confine to reading and not something in which you actually try to participate.
November 3rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
I don’t think R10 was apologizing for DLS at all. If you read his post, he just acknowledged that he could have chosen some better words, and contiued with: “If you talked to Bart you would understand how humble he really is. He doesn’t showboat on the field or talk a lot of trash. He has let his play do the talking.”
Well, I have talked to Bart and that is why I responded to the initial post on the subject of that interview that I’m sure he didn’t mean it to come out that way. He has been a class act, and if that is the worst thing he ever says to the media, then he’ll be doing just fine. But I’m sure after reading what was quoted, he will try to avoid sounding like that in the future. It shouldn’t have any bearing what t-shirts the SRV students are wearing. All DLS QBs are used to winning big games and I’m sure Lad also talks to them about how to talk to the media. Not a big deal, but not the most humble statement, and not really representative of his true character.
November 3rd, 2011 at 2:01 pm
EBAL Fan #2
Maybe I am not understanding your point about the DLS Football players and parents choosing DLS for a great Catholic education but I have lived in the East Bay my entire life and have watched as many of the top area youth football players have ended up at DLS. Not to mention the families who sent their kids to years of primary Catholic schools and who couldn’t get their kids into DLS yet the best youth football player from Antioch or Fairfield end up getting accepted. I think for many of us that have watched this occur for years understand how things really work.
If there was a interest of equallity they would have open enrollment at all high schools and we could judge how dominant De La Salles program really is.
November 3rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
let’s cut off chalktalk. no-one answer him anymore.
November 3rd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
How many people of color played with leather helmets
while ur grand daddy was knocking people out with his shoulder ( must have been all slow dudes)
UR fact are just like ur history tainted
by an obscure perception of reality!!!
THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH
ur controlling the game by making the excuse that its for safety. JUST like small pox in the INDIANS BLANKETS ARE TO KEEP THEM WARM.
NOW u answer a question would there b any SLOW DUDES at QB if the didnt change the rules RAINBOW BOY—
I BET ur favorite candy is skittle or starbrust probably had fruitloops for breakfast cross dresser!!!!!!
November 3rd, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Ok, this thread is deteriorating quickly, i say we follow Y mama ‘s advice and move on. Epc, i think you’ve done all you can, great points by the way. Turning back to football, how about this ?, who are your top 3 candidates for POY? Defense and Offense?
November 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm
how about this if tom brady was colorful and the munster defenders crushing him were plain would the rules change HELL NO!!!
U ASSHOLE THEY LET PEOPLE PUNCH EACH OTHER IN THE FACE IN HOCKEY u no why most of them look alike
MISS ME WITH THE BULL buddy
November 3rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Hey FNL. Fascinating story you tell. Any idea how those non-catholic school/football players got around the blind application?
November 3rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm
EPC3
THIS STATEMENT only means u never played football
ur some school teacher or AD no one that played football would say things like this…
This mentality (of safety) SHOULD migrate to any position for which it is warranted. How does a player get defenseless? By acting with human nature and stretching for a pass that is obviously over his head. By punting a football and following through with a kick and looking like a barber pole. By losing a helmet on a play and opening themselves up for a player receiving coaching like yours looking to hit this young man in the skull with his helmet. You are a proponent of injury. You equate football to manhood, yet you have no real concept of what it is that makes a man
WHEN I DIVE 4 A BALL THERE IS A INHERENT RISK THAT I TAKE
ITS AN ADRENALIN RUSH – WILL I SURVIVE the contact do i have enuff agility to make him miss. did i do enuff core exercises to b able to torque my BODY so im just as strong in the air as i am on the ground..
i have never been defenseless on the football field
and if i was i made a conscience decision to do so
ITS CALLED HAVING HEART
i tired of pen pushing asshole like U kill the game!!!
November 3rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Chalk much love to you my brother but man you’re overthinking this…this blog is just about us fans who love to watch and talk hs football,thats all no need for any animosity or anything you have a right to express your views but this is the wrong forum God Bless
November 3rd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
panter4
i think ur right, chalktalk is goat, has to b, same kinda of talk, big big talk that comes from a little guy. yo mama i will have to agree with u, thats a good idea
November 4th, 2011 at 5:59 am
Pirate football are u a SL coach
or maybe x coach u seem 2 think u know alot about CHALKTALK
HOW about i come 2 ur game so u can see if me an the goat look alike im 5’11″ 198lbs 11.3% body fat ill have on all blACk under armour ill be the dude that looks like a super hero
I JUST WANT 2 SHAKE UR HAND OR MAYBE PAT U ON UR BACK
LIKE
jim harbaugh
November 4th, 2011 at 7:36 am
@170. That is a good question. When it keeps happening year after year, and the defenders repeat it doesn’t happen, it’s amusing. It’s like any little lie. One strategy is to keep denying it over and over and eventually enough believe that’s truth and the questioning will go away. Here, it’s such a small one in the eyes of who obfuscate (one, two, maybe three admits,) there isn’t any fallout. It becomes de rigeur, and thus, acceptable. Kind of like parents holding their kids back in 8th grade by sending them to St. X to get them bigger and stronger for HS football. “Hey everybody does it Texas, so will (we) I.” Hey, it’s Friday night.
November 4th, 2011 at 9:55 am
For everyone’s sake this is my last response to Chalk…
I’ve attempted to engage you in an intelligent discussion but it is apparent you are too ignorant and simple minded with which to have a reasonable discourse.
So let me bring it down to your level chalk.
You are an ignorant clown who blames others for his own limitations. You may have had some physical ability in your youth, but your simple mind continues to keep you back. You regurgitate nonsense excuses as to why you haven’t been able to succeed in life and now you poison other young men to “think” (and I use the term advisedly in reference to you) as you do.
Guess what Chalk. I’ve coached for 30 years. I played DI ball. I was a walk-on who made the travel squad as a freshman. I was invited to a pro camp after my college career was over but knew that while my size and speed were passable in college, in no way was that the case in the pros. I loved and love the game of football and I have made it my place to give back to the game and to help young men gain that love of the game as well.
In my 30 years I have helped more than 300 kids to go on play in college and a good number of those have gone on to play in the pros. I take no credit for the kids playing pro ball other than trying to help them become better men. I have helped my kids, as well as kids from other schools, get into college because I feel strongly that it is part of my responsibility as a coach to do so.
You are so ignorant and angry that you can’t see straight. Football is a GAME. It is NOT the be all and end all for you or anyone. It can be a great teacher of lessons when in the hands of men who understand this. When in your hands, your anger and frustration at your own limitations can only spill like putrid vomit onto your kids, making them worse off for having played the game.
I’ve coached against men like you for years. And what I’ve found is that while in spite of the ignorance and anger that permeates your souls, you can occasionally win games in spite of this; at the lowest levels of the game. But you are never SUCCESSFUL because you have no idea of the meaning of the word.
Success is when I have a kid, who as a freshman is struggling with his classes because his father is gone, his mother is working two jobs to make ends meet and he is spending more time taking care of his younger brothers and sisters then he is on his class work. He is tempted by the streets, by watching other kids his age make money selling drugs for other ignorant men such as you. I take the time to work with him. To get to know the people in his neighborhood; to use them as resources to keep me informed when he starts to struggle as so many of these young men do. I have these young men to my home to let them see what hard work can achieve. I don’t live in a mansion, but I live in a nice, clean house and they need to see that they can, with hard work, accomplish things in life. I make it my business to know how they are doing in school. And yes, I hold them accountable for their school work with that dreaded GPA requirement you are so fearful of. My former players come back to me and ask how they can help. Not because I’ve asked them to but because I’ve spent the time to instill right and wrong in them. They do right because they were TAUGHT to do right. And SUCCESS is when the kid I described earlier is one of those very same players who after graduating comes back to me and asks what HE can do to help my current players.
I can picture you on the sideline. You have a kid who is physically head and shoulders above his teammates. You claim he’s like a son to you. He makes play after play because his size and speed allow him to do so. He may bend a rule now and again, but that’s okay, it’s just showing his toughness and YOU were that kind of player. He may injure a kid, but that’s just part of the game. If it happens, you grab his face mask and tell him “Great f-ing hit, don’t let up! Take all those M-F’ers out of the game!” And this kid, like all kids, wants to please you, to make you proud of him. So he hits another kid late, maybe breaks a bone. But that’s how we play in the hood isn’t it Chalk? And when the game is over, this kid goes home. If he’s in high school he probably heads to a party, maybe drinks a little, smokes a little weed, someone offers him something else. Have you worked with him to have the strength, the inner confidence to say no? Of course you haven’t. That isn’t football. Besides, as long as he is there to play Friday night, it’s cool. I mean it’s just another part of growing up in the hood, right? So he ends up drinking a little bit and hanging out with some “friends”. He gets pulled over for drinking; or drugs; or gets caught up in a gang; or robs a store; or gets shot. And you, you look and shake your head and say; “damn, he was a good player, what a waste.” Not thinking about the man he could have become, but the football player. As though it were more important.
When I was a young kid under 10, I remember watching a young man play for a coach like you. He was a great athlete, already a world class high jumper in high school, one of the very first to clear 7’0” as a junior. The football coach had been asking him to come out for the team since he was a freshman. Finally, in his senior year he decided to give it a try. He was 6’4” and 200 pounds playing at a WR spot. Mid way through the year he got hit and felt something “give” in his back as he put it later on. He came off the field and told the trainer that he felt something was wrong. This was long before Dr’s were on the sideline. The head coach came roaring over and told him to just shake it off and get his #$% back out on the field. So, like any kid he did. The coach ran a pass play. The ball was thrown over his head. His training taught him to jump for the ball event though there was no chance he could catch it. A kid on the opposing team saw a chance to really lay him out. He said later he knew there was no chance for him to catch the pass, but this was back in the day when you didn’t have “defenseless” players on the field. He got hit. He went down. He stayed down. 30 minutes later an ambulance took him off the field. He ended up in a wheelchair and never walked again. The kid who hit him felt so bad that he quit the game and never played again. I heard through the grapevine that he had all sorts of problems in life and never really got over the guilt he felt. He KNEW what he did was unnecessary.
You wrote: “WHEN I DIVE 4 A BALL THERE IS A INHERENT RISK THAT I TAKE ITS AN ADRENALIN RUSH – WILL I SURVIVE the contact do i have enuff agility to make him miss. did i do enuff core exercises to b able to torque my BODY so im just as strong in the air as i am on the ground.. i have never been defenseless on the football field and if i was i made a conscience decision to do so ITS CALLED HAVING HEART”
Here’s the deal Chalk; BOTH those kids had “HEART”.
And yes, there is an inherent risk in the game. And kids can and do get hurt. Why then are you so against keeping kids safe within the rules? And yes, by sometimes changing the rules. Are you so insecure in your manhood that you have to impose your ideas of “toughness” on others? You claim to have never been defenseless on the football field, but that if you were (once again, the lack of logic astounds) it was a conscious decision to do so. Guess what Chalk – you are wrong AGAIN. It may have been a conscious decision to come onto the field, but reacting to a play in a game is very much an unconscious decision. It comes because of training and often times because of a kids inherent natural ability. The greatest players in the game can’t explain HOW they do what they do. They don’t even know.
To end this, you claim you are “tired of pen pushing asshole like U kill the game”
Well I’m tired of Ignorant blowhards like you who care nothing for the kids under your care. And I use the word care intentionally, because these kids ARE under our CARE. And the REAL problem; you couldn’t possibly care less about them. So now come back with your homophobic charges, your ignorant rant, and your incredible lack of intelligence and know that I won’t respond. You can have the last word Chalk. I can live with that knowing that your words are ultimately meaningless.
November 4th, 2011 at 10:39 am
We need a BS filter on this blog and perhaps a 144 character limit. And now, back to HS football…see you at the fields.
November 4th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
First i apologize u seem really offended
we have 2 different perspectives
i wasnt a dirty player or coach
im far 2 arrogant 4that
as for grabing face mask i dont have 2 do that my looks are enuff
i teach to each kids individual ability
*they say they can hear my voice in the back of thier heads when they’re running down the field.
i tell everyone i coach with or played with i know football perfect 4 every action there is a counter action NOW R U PHYISCALLY CAPABLE OF PERFORMING!!!
GOD BLESS U MEDIOCRE S.O.B. lmao
November 4th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
LET ME ADD THAT IN MY YOUTH I WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE U’VE SEEN AND PROBABLY ever WILL SEE they offered me a b.s contract. told them to kiss my ass ill make more money protecting!!!
THE FACT THAT U TOOK THE TIME OUT 2 WRITE ALL THAT 2 REACH ME IS REALLY TOUCHING!!!
may ur days b filled with peace and joy!!!
November 4th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Ok Chalk now go take your meds
November 4th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
DING DING DING…. I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER
SCORING THE WIN A KNOCKOUT PUNCH
THE WINNER IS…… EPCCCCCCTHREE
November 5th, 2011 at 9:27 am
yes now run the clock plz
IM EVEN MAD AT ME
IM A FIRST CLASS NUT CASE
SIT ME UP BY THE PILOT
5150 SOMEBODY CALL 911
THE FOOL IS TYPING AGAIN
STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD MISTER