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East Bay Football Poll — 11/7
By Ben Enos
Monday, November 7th, 2011 at 3:48 pm in East Bay Football, East Bay Poll.
| Team | Record | Points | Last week |
| 1. De La Salle (6) | 8-1 | 90 | 1 |
| 2. James Logan | 9-0 | 84 | 2 |
| 3. San Ramon Valley | 7-2 | 78 | 3 |
| 4. Encinal | 8-1 | 72 | 5 |
| 5. California | 7-2 | 63 | 4 |
| 6. Campolindo | 10-0 | 60 | 6 |
| 7. Salesian | 9-0 | 53 | 7 |
| 8. Pittsburg | 6-3 | 50 | 8 |
| 9. Freedom | 8-1 | 44 | 9 |
| 10. Miramonte | 8-1 | 31 | 12 |
| 11. Berkeley | 6-3 | 30 | 14 |
| 12. Las Lomas | 7-2 | 19 | 13 |
| 13. Bishop O’Dowd | 7-2 | 15 | NR |
| 14. El Cerrito | 7-1-1 | 12 | NR |
| 15. Monte Vista | 5-4 | 9 | 15 |
Also receiving votes: College Park (5-4, 8 points), Concord (6-3, 1), San Leandro (6-3, 1). The East Bay Football Poll is voted on by the prep sports staff of Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
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November 7th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Not many changes from last week. Encinal was already #4 and Cal #5 last week so it stayed exactly the same until Concord and Deer Valley at #10 & #11 vacated the top 15 with losses to unranked teams. Berkeley jumped ahead of LL into the #11 slot while BOD and EC were elevated to the top 15. CP with their big win over Concord to claim the DVAL title is just one vote shy of catching MV in the rankings.
Big games this week between top 15 teams that could shake up the rankings include Berkeley at EC, Cal at DLS, MV at SRV, & SL (almost ranked) at BOD.
In reality the biggest games are Heritage at Deer Valley and AV at Foothill, as the playoff fates of both DV and AV hang in the balance as both need wins to make the postseason. Pitt & Freedom both need to win for a share of the BVAL title, while Salesian and Logan try to complete their undefeated regular seasons.
November 7th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
EC tied with a very weak Newark team. They shouldn’t be ranked.
November 7th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
After Foothill beats Amador on Thursday night, both Pleasanton schools will be missing NCS. How long, if ever, has that happened??
November 7th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
After Amador beats Foothill on Thursday night, Amador will be playoff bound while Foothill watches from the sideline. How long, if ever, has that happened??
November 7th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
You won’t be saying EC shouldnt be ranked after they beat berkeley on Thursday…
November 7th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I read earlier this year that Foothill hadn’t missed the playofs in 19 years or so. In checking the NCS website, while they don’t have the full brackets available from 1988 to 1997, the 1986 brackets do not have either Pleasanton school in them. That year looks like the 1 time that Cal high had made it until the very recent past.
http://cifncs.org/sports/football/files/RESULTS/1986/FB2A3A.pdf
November 7th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Is this the year James Logan advances past the first round of the playoffs? Their last test this season came in weeks 3 & 4 against Foothill and Heritage, respectively. A weak MVAL schedule might just spell doom for the Colts come playoff time, as recent history reminds us. A DLS/Logan matchup would be exciting; this fan thinks DLS is automatic, but the jury is still out on the Colts.
November 7th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
WOW! Prep fan, I am shocked to see MSJ in the bracket. I always thought they were horrible, but they were decent back in the day!
November 7th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Its about time El-Cerrito got some love in the polls!
November 7th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
MVAL Stud, Mission San Jose actually won NCS back in 1977 when they had all everything RB Mike Carnell, who went on to Cal-Berkeley. He was in SI’s Faces In The Crowd that year for his record breaking season. Former 49er and Cal Bear Gary Plummer also went to MSJ in the 80′s. Their most famous alum athlete however has to be former gold medalist skater Kristi Yamaguchi.
November 7th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
those were the good ol days MVAL stud, rememebr when when teams had to be 8-2 or 9-1 and barely got the 8th seed, Now of days any one can make the play offs. How do you guys feel about that?
November 8th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Scoop, it’s a sham. An Irvington team qualifies for the playoff because of a 1-1 record against D1 teams. How can you only play 2 teams in your division and have that get you into the playoffs?
November 8th, 2011 at 7:40 am
I agree its pretty bad now. The worst part is that state is now 15 games. Make it a 9 game schedule & there can be a TRUE state play-off. That would of course mean go back to 8 teams per brackett which I think everybody is for if I remember the CalPreps breakdown correctly.
November 8th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Can someone explain to me why isn’t McClymonds in Oakland at least mentioned in the receiving votes category they are 7-2 I know it is a down year in the OAL but you would think that they would get a vote or two for the top 15
November 8th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Big Ken, it could not have helped Mack to beat winless Oakland by a mere extra point.
November 8th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Who has Mack beaten? Their Calpreps rating of 3.5 would put them at #55 if they were in the NCS just above Dougherty Valley. They have not beaten any teams with even a positive Calpreps rating this year.
November 8th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
pitt 6-3
bhigh 6-3
b high beat pitt head to head but 3 spot ahead guess beating foothill who wont make playoffs is a so called a quality win, pitt beat mv, who will more than likely make the playoffs with a 5-5 record, i think freedom is a good quality win, my point isnt really that pitt is ahead of bhigh its more over the ebal bias of voters and playoff panel members. that think cal high is as good as most people think but not a bad team at all besides srv and dls the rest of that league really isnt that strong but they get some much kudos and credit for the past, so the bval, b high SL and logan needs to keep beating them regular season and playoffs
November 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Gary Plummer was actually also a part of the MSJ team that won NCS in 1977. By the 80s, he was at Cal and then off to the NFL.
November 8th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Good knowledge Jimmy. I didn’t realize he was that old. I do remember Carnell from that team and knew that Plummer went to MSJ but didn’t know they played together. In the courtyard at MSJ near the entrance to the gym they have a lot of photos of what is probably their athletic hall of fame, including Carnell, Plummer & Yamaguchi.
November 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Pirate Football, you say the EBAL is not that strong and they keep getting “credit for the past, so the bval, b high SL and logan needs to keep beating them regular season and playoffs”. Heritage, DV, B high, SL and Freedom all were beaten and eliminated by EBAL teams in the playoffs last season. And Logan & Pitt were eliminated prior to facing EBAL teams by Heritage & Berkeley. So it is not like it is the distant past. The EBAL is a strong league every year, though I acknowledge it may not be as strong this season as most.
November 8th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Who was the last MVAL team to be ranked #1 in the East Bay?
November 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
prep
like i said the past that was last year and you just agreed with what i was saying they are not as strong this season, vote on what is goin on now this season not due to they are an ebal team and they did well last year, wish the playoff panels wouldnt have thse bias also but thats what it is, they too go off of some schools past and tradition. but im speaking on this season, no offense to you jimmy we have talked a few times and very much respect ur oppinion
November 8th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
The big difference I see this year for California is on defense. Last year the defense gave up about a touchdown a game. This year it is about three touchdowns. Their offensive weapons are still there and they make points, they just give up too many points.
November 8th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Beating Foothill is always a nice quality win, although this year they are the 6th place team in the EBAL with 1 game to play. Take the 6th place team in any other league and you aren’t going to call that a quality win. It is great that both Pitt and Logan beat Foothill and shows me they are good teams, but even though the EBAL is a little down this year compared to last year, it is still the top league around. You are right though, if other leagues keep beating EBAL teams, it will show they are good teams.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
i think the bval is a better league this year some quality teams, pitt amd freedom i think are very good antioch makes the playoffs and the winner of heritage and dv makes the playoffs also, thats 4 teams out of six that makes the playoffs. with the top 2 teams being very good and the other 2 pretty decent teams, antioch might b better than we think we shall see come 1st round, hard to reall have a comparison as to whats the best league we really have only to leagues in section with all div 1 schools
November 8th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Foothill is a solid team. Although their record may not state that, they have played everyone tough with a difficult preseason and league schedule. Put foothill in any other league and they probably go 8-2 or 7-3 and make the playoffs. Their offense may not have the explosive plays but their defense is well coached and plays hard nosed. Give them some credit just look at their schedule there is no week where they can take a break.
November 8th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
According to CalPreps, the EBAL is a better league than the BVAL from top to bottom with an average rating of 31.6 compared to the BVAL at 24.3.
http://calpreps.com/2011/ratings/North_Coast_leagues.htm
This is a comparison of the teams in each league, along with their overall record and CalPreps ranking. As you can see, the EBAL has a higher Calpreps rating for each matchup of the top 6 teams in each league.
Freedom 8-1, 37.9 vs. DLS 8-1, 57.4
Pitt 6-3, 34.1 vs. SRV 7-2, 39.6
DV 4-5, 23.7 vs. Cal 7-2, 35.1
Heritage 4-5, 21.6 vs. MV 5-4, 30.8
Antioch 6-3, 16.6 vs. Foothill 3-6, 27.7
Liberty 3-6, 11.0 vs. AV 4-5, 24.0
If we were to ignore the top 2 EBAL teams, DLS and SRV and pretend they didn’t exist, and just look at the bottom 6 teams in each league. The EBAL still has a higher CalPreps rating for 4 of the 6 teams.
Freedom 8-1, 37.9 vs. Cal 7-2, 35.1
Pitt 6-3, 34.1 vs. MV 5-4, 30.8
DV 4-5, 23.7 vs. Foothill 3-6, 27.7
Heritage 4-5, 21.6 vs. AV 4-5, 24.0
Antioch 6-3, 16.6 vs. Livermore 3-6, 19.9
Liberty 3-6, 11.0 vs. Granada 3-6, 18.9
That being said, I do think the BVAL is a strong league and is improving each season. It is just not yet as good as the EBAL.
November 8th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
#12 Panther4…You are right…And Irvington won’t last past the first round. plus there is a very good chance they will take a beating in the process….The price you pay…
November 8th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Ebal is da strongest league n ncs its time 2 challenge the top teams n norcal. De la obviously plays tough non league n srv definitly step up this year but cal needs 2 play a top team from wcal, grant, palo alto or palma. We saw wat happen wen monte vista played serra so even though ebal is best n ncs dont know how good cal srv mvista stack up vs the top teams that r usually up 4 state bids.
November 8th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
SRV beat Mitty and Mitty beat Serra.
November 8th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
prep
i can care less bout calpreps, i dont even go on that site it means nothing, its about the results on the field
November 8th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
I know that CalPreps isn’t the gospel by any means, but at least it is an unbiased calculation that factors in such things as strength of schedule. When Cal beat Castro Valley 47-0 last season in the playoffs, their CalPreps rating actually went down because they had already beaten CV once in the preseason that year and it lowered CV’s rating which counted against them twice. So I agree it isn’t a perfect system, but I disagree that it means nothing. It isn’t always possible for teams to play each other ad it is one way to gauge teams’ relative strengths.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
But SRV didn’t beat SERRA. And Campo beat Miramonte. “Miramonte got skinned”. Just stating the facts.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Outsider re: post #23, You’re right that the biggest difference for Cal this year is their defense. Not that their defense is bad this year, but certainly not as good as last year’s team. They really miss Kevin Ezaburio this year, as he was one of their leading tacklers last season as a junior at LB and also rushed for 7.5 yards per carry at FB. Too bad he was not eligible this year as he would have been a key factor to the present LB corps, and was fun to watch. Especially that 99 yard fumble recovery for a TD against MV.
November 9th, 2011 at 4:39 am
After reading through all posts about Logan playing through MVAL and it giving us poor preparation for playoffs, and how proving that we can beat foothill who’s only about 5th place or so in their league. I do have to agree on most points.
It’s not easy blowing out 4-6 teams in your last 6 games before playoffs. But it’s not like they’ve avoided playing proven teams in previous years, I remember having to play Cardinal Newman, Monte Vista, Skyline (when they were really good until my junior year) Luther Burbank from Sacramento. Now logan has played years with Foothill, I’m sure Logan would want to face other teams as well. San Leandro may not be a proven contender unlike years past, and Heritage not being the same as last year. It just doesn’t end up rolling in Logan’s favor no matter which way you put it. Strength of schedule, game experience, what have you. I still respect the MVAL a whole lot having 5 different schools in 1 city of Fremont. And then having Newark and Logan be the 1 lone high school in two small cities. I’m just getting tired of Logan getting a bad wrap for having to deal with the scrutiny. It makes me feel like any team that faces an MVAL team in the non-league schedule, and beats them; that critics would say that that win was ‘weak’. Even if it was maybe a win against Logan in which the argument would be “well Logan doesn’t have a strong schedule overall”.
Every year Logan does get into the playoffs, and if they lose, then so be it. We’ve pretty much lost every single time we get ranked low. But in the years Logan does get ranked high, people automatically scrutinize the team.
November 9th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Logan will get a top 3 seed. Probably #2. If you feel disrespected, prove it on the field in playoffs. Most leagues are top heavy and not competitive anyway.
November 9th, 2011 at 6:47 am
@Ben, I was thinking about a question you answered during the chat.
If a NorCal Open game playoff were to happen this year it would feature DLS-Bellarmine. DLS is known for improving alot over a season and killing a team the 2nd time. Would the Bells get handled in a rematch or play it close again?
November 9th, 2011 at 7:03 am
the MVAL used to be ranked #1 quite often through the 70′s and early 80′s until the demographics changed and those families all moved out to the ebal and further. everyone forgets the EBAL is still quite new to this top dog thing. Heck just 10 years or so ago all the EBAL teams were still playing D2 and D3 (or 3a and 2a i should say). while competitive they weren’t even close to the level of play of the 4a (d1) teams at that time.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:34 am
@#35, I agree with your point completely. I even posted on another blog saying, “nobody had a problem with Logan’s non league schedule up until this year”. Some of the critics know that. Critics do like 2 point 2 last year’s as an example when they got beat in the first round of the playoffs. What they 4get was that was a young team last year most full of Sophmores and juniors who weren’t picked 2 do anything. They over achevied and I guess expectations became high. They are right about one thing and that is they are going 2 have 2 prove it on the field which I’m confident they will do
November 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
uc i think its the arroyo game that throws people off. they are a D2 and not a good one. washington (an average D2)dumped arroyo for a better team, so it looks bad that the biggest school in the bay area is playing a school like that. a few years ago san leandro and foothill would have been good games but they havent done much in recent years, and Heritage was really good last year but no way logan knew that before hand when they scheduled the game. so yes no one had a problem with logans non league schedule when logan was a mid leval D1 team, but if the want the respect of a top 2 team go play a powerhouse. im not saying its good for washington but the go get big games ie cal, SRV, deer valley, logan knowing the MVAL has no weight. logan needs top teams like pitt, de la, SRV, cal, or west catholic teams to have a legit non leauge schedule
November 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@#35, The main reason a lot of people on here began to poke holes in Logan’s soft schedule was that a few posters came on here and stated Logan was going to beat DLS and win NCS this year, or were a lock to get to the finals. While they very well could do that, and I think they are a solid team this year, they have not played anyone yet in order to be making such comments. Comments like that tend to bring on different viewpoints. Logan is good this year, very good in fact, but they are not a lock to win anything until they can show it on the field.
November 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am
@#41
Don’t forget there were posters using youtube clips from the Jamboree to prove that Logan could hang with DLS.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Ha Ha! Thanks for the reminder Spokane
November 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
LOL, Spokane u actually brought that back up.. That was some funny reading for those posters to think a Jamboree means anything in respect to how a game will play out.
November 9th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Let me clarify, that was only one person who was using you tube videos 2 prove Logan could win NCS not, the whole Logan fan base. @prep fan,yea somebody came in here and said Logan will NCS. What’s wrong with that? That person has confidence 2 believe that Logan can possibly do it. My problem is most bloggers on here got up in arms over that statement, that everybody made such a big deal about it. Do I think Logan can NCS? Yes just I like I believe SRV, Cal,Pitt, and other school’s fan base believe they could win NCS as well. Cause they all have every right 2.
November 9th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
UC, it wasn’t a statement that Logan could posibly win NCS, but that they are undefeated and will beat DLS and win NCS. There is a huge difference between believing in your team, and making bold predictions like that. I don’t have a problem with believing your team has a chance, but don’t make a statement like that and then wonder where all the Logan doubters came from. I’m sure if a Freedom fan made a bold statement like that, he’d get a lot of people questioning it as well.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Prep Fan, if that person believes that Logan will win NCS,he wouldn’t have made that bold prediction. There is no difference.If a Pitt fan made a bold prediction that they would beat DLS and win NCS I
November 9th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Sorry for the last post, but as I was saying if a Pitt fan said that they would beat DLS and win NCS, I could care less. I would disagree but , I wouldn’t bash the Program ( which some of u bloggers have been doing and u know who u are). It’s stuff like that which leads me to believe that it is a little more than a response to a “dumb” statement.
November 9th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Ok, I was just explaining why it appears there are so many Logan doubters out there this year. I don’t think most are bashing the program but rather questioning whether the schedule they have played this will prepare them for the playoffs. Good luck to the Colts against Washington this week and in the playoffs.
November 9th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
#48 My issue with Logan was brought about by two statements regarding Logan as an elite program. The first was the use of the jamboree footage as stated in #42. The second was Logan supporters saying that the playoffs don’t really matter or reflect on Logans status as an elite program. Not saying you’re the supporter that made either of those statements, but that’s been my issue with them.
I think Logan’s a great league team that has yet to put it together in the playoffs. If Logan wants to become a truly elite program then they’ll have to prove it in the playoffs. It doesn’t matter how weak your schedule is. If you make the playoffs you have a chance to prove the quality of your program. Good luck to Logan in the playoffs.
November 10th, 2011 at 2:30 am
agreed that logan does have to prove themselves in the playoffs. good luck to all your respective teams as well! should be an interesting NCS playoff this year.
November 10th, 2011 at 6:43 am
This is kind of a funny discussion, but if losing in the playoffs means you are not an elite program then for the past 19 years there has only been one elite program in DIV-I. Logan is no exception, they lose in the playoffs every year just like Pitt, Cal, MV, Berkeley etc. LOL
November 10th, 2011 at 8:15 am
nobody said winning in the playoffs meant winning the entire championship. i think that goes without saying DLS has that. The point is winning a game or 2. Logan has won 1 playoff game in the last 5 or 6 years. that is not an elite program.
I agree with the scheduling. They played a solid schedule, the arroyo game being the exception. EBAL fans are always going to tear apart everyone else’s non league schedule so they can continue to claim strength of schedule everytime. But going 10-0 regardless of the schedule you have to win in the playoffs. i think that is the point everyone is trying to make.
Logan needs to be a consistent force in the playoffs every year before they become an elite program again. They were in the 90′s an elite program.
i dont think any program i dont care where you are from is an elite program unless u win in the playoffs. nobody cares about great teams that can’t get to the super bowl. Good teams win games, great teams win when it counts the most.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Logan is unable to produce 4 qtrs of ball.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am
repost from an old page:
Stat analysis as BANG writers are overloaded. Since it may be a while for three Junior commits at QB in one league, here are top four EBAL QB’s, feel free to add other pos as it takes a calculator and multiple sources- Max preps and BANG print editions. In order of standings. Pre-season NOT included as there was so much disparity in SOS there. Full season QB rating in parentheses if you’re interested.
DLS-Houston:44-71-988, 2 INT, 12 TD
rate= 134 (110)
Rating per week: 135-84-119-29-154-163
SRV-Kline: 86-122-1491, 1 INT, 15 TD
rate= 148 (130)
Rate/week: 146-126-163-125-77
Cal-Farley: 64-101-1142, 2 INT, 13 TD
rate= 133 (135)
Rate/week: 136-112-122-127-111-164
MV-Lockie: 96-151-1463, 5 INT, 16 TD
rate= 117 (110)
Rate/week: 145-76-150-89-107-98
Kline’s rate is highest and even though he laid an egg vs DLS, probably the best of the four. Had to have the game of his career to beat Cal-Farley 42-38.
Houston- tough preseason, but the above EBAL-only numbers are telling. Performances vs. MV (29) and FHS(84) are not indicative of a three year starter/Elite status. Would’ve thought with all the RB injuries, WR’s would have more impact, but coaches stuck with the run. Williams may end up on a par with Shapiro though by year end. Skunked SRV so that counts for something.
Farley proved the most consistent/efficient after Kline. Without Cal’s ground and pound, would have eclipsed Kline’s/Lockie’s numbers with 20 and 50 more throws respectively. His bio states he turned 17 in August. Impressive year for the Senior having mop up duties in ’10 and who spent HS summers juggling baseball and football.
Lockie was first team last year and had 1746 yds in EBAL before rivalry week. Loss of McGovern and Turner shows. Yards are always there due to spread and 25-30 throws/game. Could’ve backed up his ’10 showing but 5 ints hurt. Farley led the electric 1:10 5-7-78 yard drive + two pointer to upstage him.
The wet weather forecast tomorrow night may skew the final stats. With Kline and Lockie running spread shotgun 80% + of the time, the slick ball may be a factor. What a fantastic EBAL season.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am
FB guru – since rashad evans(5 years ago) logan hasnt won one game against ebal or bval till this year. even then that year they only won one game in playoffs. pitt, MV and cal make deep runs in the playoffs every year. the point is logan cant win at all in the playoffs. and hasent for a long time. thats why they are not an elite team yet tell they prove something for a few years.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Maybe this is the year??? Time will tell.
November 10th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
FNL, I saw this on another blog by EPCthree and thought I’d copy & paste it here as it relates to your previous post:
Just a fun topic for debate…
Last season there was some debate over the ultimate QB picks for All-League in the EBAL. To remind folks; 1st team – Lockie (MV); 2nd team – Houston (DLS); HM – Reil (CHS)/Kline (SR). Their stats are as follows:
Name Comp Att Pct Yards TD Int Rating
Reil, D. 110 171 .643 1888 28 9 200.58
Houston, B. 102 153 .667 1922 20 4 210.10
Kline, Z. 164 278 .590 1978 10 8 124.87
Lockie, J. 167 275 .607 2449 26 9 160.19
I think it was argued that CHS QB Reil getting HM was somewhat unfair. I know that my voting would have been Reil, Houston, Lockie, Kline.
So this year, here are the current numbers:
Name Comp Att Pct Yards TD Int Rating
Farley, K. 86 129 .667 1476 22 3 214.41
Lockie, J. 157 254 .618 2265 22 6 160.57
Houston, B. 59 110 .536 1225 13 6 175.27
Kline, Z. 128 190 .674 2011 21 4 188.54
Mata, J. 91 147 .619 1165 8 2 143.71
If I had to vote this year, my choices would be Kline, Farley, Lockie, Houston – in that order. I have a distinct feeling though that Farley is going to get demoted to an HM pick again. So my question is this – Does going in unknown hurt kids for post-season honors? I mean, you could even argue for Farley as 1st Team based solely on the numbers. I think more goes into it then just raw stats, so Kline gets the nod, but was Farley behind the 8-ball from the start?
November 10th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Farley fits nicely into Cal’s scheme just like Reil did. Mostly play action one man routs. His efficiency rating can’t be compared to the Kline and Lockie. Farley throws primarily play action passes, primarily the PA post to Washington. Very few reads involved, fake the hand off and throw it deep. Kline and Lockie are in offenses where there are many different reads and more complex passing routs. Just my thoughts.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
For some reason, no one talks about the Grizzly quarterbacks. Maybe it is because Cal is not known for their passing game, even though it has been a strong part of their game for the past couple of years. Maybe if you are not recognized as an up-and-coming quarterback in your sophomore or junior year and have not gone to all the camps and combines you cannot get the hype. The Grizzlies showed last year that you can be one of the top teams in the state and not have any highly recognized players.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Pre season hype does not help if you don’t follow through and consistently make plays. Noone should be surprised that Farley is down the list if they have watched the Big 3 play-he is not in their league.
Farley has had a solid year- he just has bad luck- 2011 was the wrong time to be a QB in the EBAL
I’d vote this way:
Kline
Houston/lockie
Farley.
Lockie has not won enough to get first and Klines numbers are enough to beat out Houston. Houstons running has been overlooked-he has improved running the veer and is an automatic 1-2 yds on the QB sneak (not as easy it looks).
November 10th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
@Shinguard- What , huh? Please elaborate.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
#52
Logan is 3-10 in the playoffs since 2001. That’s not elite, and that was my point.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I agree with everything #53 says except for the part about playing a solid schedule. I don’t think they played a solid schedule, but they played the toughest schedule they could given the league they’re in. Playoffs is where they get to prove their worth.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Those are interesting stats Prep from EPC; they bolster some of the post comparing the EBAL numbers. @59, but because Cal’s O only uses only an X and no Z primarily, fewer reads but many more double teams. BTW, Farley’s leading receiver is Guardino at X, not Washington. Lockie and Kline have the luxury of single coverage on most reads. Farley’s bombs to Washington have been on the money, AND mostly double teamed. Unlike Reil, Farley has a totally new OL. Reil had four returning starters there. ’10 Grizz had a three year starter X (Sarmenta, who BTW is going to play college fball after a gap year) a two year starter 3 back (Alvarez) AND a stud athlete TE (Taft now at Reno) who caught 30 balls at legit TE, not split out like SRV/MV lists their TE’s. Farley has only Washington as a returning starter. Not giving the credit only to the QB though. Cal has outperformed based on experience up and down the roster.
I don’t think Farley’s behind the 8-ball at all. There was oodles of hype for the other three. Elite 11, Tri-Valley Sports Stars Glossy, etc. If you’re going to get hyped, you’d better blow away a lowly first year starter, who’s primarily a baseball player, right? The voting- although it’s been termed negotiations!- should be based on performance, not hype. Farley would have gotten the hype if he wasn’t playing another sport-spending summer camp/football showcases with the other three, simple as that. Look it this way. Kessler has to give him props as he almost beat Kline. Bergman saw him at the apex. 1:20, 78 yards, shotgun- which Cal NEVER does-, then pick apart a prevent D, with even a dropped TD as one of the two incs on 5-7. His final throw for the win vs Granada was knocked out of Washington’s hands by a teammate.
I will say Kline and Lockie fit very well into their systems as well.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Just looking at the numbers brought forth by EPCthree, Lockie’s stats are almost exactly on track with what he did last season, wile Kline’s stats have shown far and away the most improvement of the big 3 who played both seasons. Houston’s stats have gone downhill since last season, and Farley actually has superior stats to that of Reil in 2010. Mata is clearly an also ran (also pass?).
November 10th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I think many Grizzly fans anticipated Cal to be less successful this year than they have been. Much of their success has been due to Farley stepping up and the consistency of his play.
November 10th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Farley, Washington, the o-line and the entire offense has stepped up to the challenge this season. The defense has seen a drop off from last season, but comparing any team to the best season in school history is going to be difficult to live up to.
November 10th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
FNL, lets say you coach at Granada high, and get to pick a qb from another team to come onto your team. Would you want Farley or Kline?
November 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Panther, that should not be how the all league teams are selected. They should be selected by how a player performs on the field in a given system for that season. How they performed in previous years or how they project to colleges should not be a factor.
However, that doesn’t mean those things aren’t taken into consideration, and the coaches do have hard decisions to make when they try to narrow down these all league teams. We all know there is some bartering & horse trading going on as the coaches all try to get thier most deserving players on the top teams.
All 4 of those QBs have had outstanding years, so no matter which of them get selected as 1st or 2nd team QBs, they will be deserving picks. But that also means some deserving kids will be left out.
November 10th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Prep fan is sage. Many of the top players are warriors so there’s no quibble here. One would hope integrity- over horse trading loyalty, is evident. ESPN is locked in on that right now.
November 10th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
@61- Sounds like you were at both the SRV-MV vs Cal games based on the “Down the list” opinion. Not. He beat Lockie with a clutch performance, Lockie could have responded, but did not. “Not in their league”? Kline had to have his BEST game of his career to pull out a win…by 4 points. And there were no fluke/special teams/one play TDs in that (although Washington had an 88 yarder called back.) And then his stats back up his inclusion in the top 4. One yard sneaks are “not as easy as it looks.” Sounds soft.
November 10th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Logan isn’t an elite team, but who exactly do we put above AND along the same category. That’s not the point we’re trying to make. I’ll even admit, Logan hasn’t been a dominate team in a long time. Only has been a top seed (top 4 or top 8 now in this case) once.
The point is that Logan’s season is only determined by the playoffs. And in my opinion, more than other teams. The saying has always been “logan automatically gets in because they win MVAL every year.” And the fact that we play in a league where teams that don’t give us a feel for playoff competition. I was on the team that almost upset Foothill in the playoffs who went all the way to the finals in 2006. My junior year we faced DLS and got blasted as an 8th seed. I don’t thing some people are asking for ‘fairness’ or ‘credibility’ as an elite team. That’s not what we’re trying to ask for.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
here is my 2 cents on LOGAN
THE coaches r really book smart
they make great half time adjustments
but if u do something they didnt cover in the film or in practice they r lost…
THEY DONT ADJUST WELL ON THE FLY
November 10th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
easy FNL- sorry I struck a nerve.no disrespect meant towards him. As I posted- he is a solid player.
Honestly tho- he is clearly a FULL step below the Big 3. Farley has performed well, but he aint any better than 4th this year. The Big 3 throw the ball with much better spin and accuracy.
I thought Reil should have been first team last year- Farley has not played up to that level and more imoortantly, the Big 3 have played better.
QB sneak-soft? now you are just showing your petty side.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
MV takes down SRV!! Wow! Anyone at the game tonight?
November 11th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
#6
Prep Fan
Foothill was d2 or ds back then, this would have been 20 years straight but they came up short against Cal, Logan, Pitt and MV.
SRV and DLS handled them easily.
November 12th, 2011 at 6:03 am
@Jimmy
Your poll as well as every writer’s poll of respected journalists I’ve seen all season has had EncInal ranked above Campo. Why is that?
November 12th, 2011 at 8:53 am
@ Oh Boy, No. 4 — like I said….seven straight and counting….not going to get any better next year…
November 12th, 2011 at 8:54 am
@ Oh Boy, No. 4 — it was probably the easiest game of the season to pick…..seven straight…
November 12th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Anybody have any predictions on the top 5 seeds in the D IV NCS? Arguably, Salesian is a lock on No. 1, though seems like you could make different arguments (Maxpreps, etc.) for Fortuna, Healdsburg, Ferndale, and St Helena (10-0)..