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By Jon Becker
Saturday, December 10th, 2011 at 1:25 pm in Uncategorized.
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December 10th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Houston agaiun showed he was the best QB on the field tonite- no mistakes, no sacks, passed very effectively to keep SRV off balance and ran great. Kline is 0-2 against Houston. Klines’s yards came against 2 and 3rd teamers in the 2nd half. He was rattled in the first half all nite. He’ll not have a tougher game until he get’s to CAL.
December 10th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Vitalie’s 6 tds has to be a NCS record. Is it a DLS record? DJ Williams had 6 tds in 1 game? I think he did in ‘ 99. Silvergreen, check it out and let me know. Vitale just a junior, very scrappy but also excellent speed runner. Very strong and stays low.
December 10th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
It must have been that structual advantage huh? De La stepped up when it needed to and SRV folded when they had advantages. Nuff Said.
December 10th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Yo mama- you are sadly mistaken if you think just because Houston’s team won that made him the best quarterback on the field. It was his awesome defense and Vitale who were the difference makers. I’ve watched him play against most of the other EBAL teams this year and he has very rarely been the best qb on the field in those games. He is inaccurate and inconsistent. He WILL surely struggle at the college level.
December 10th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Kline’s next game will be for Cal as tonight was his last HS game, so yeah he won’t have a tougher game until he gets there. If Vitale’s 6 TDs was an NCS record, then it would also be a DLS record as DLS is part of the NCS. You 3 are still trying to act like you aren’t the same person? Whatever?
Great game by DLS tonight. SRV moved the ball well a few times, but the fumble by Weiss in the 1st quarter was a back breaker and Sparty quickly took advantage and never looked back. DLS looks to be on track as they did last year to throttle the SoCal rep in next week’s bowl game. Congrats on yet another NCS title and good luck next week. Good season by SRV and good luck to Kline in his Cal career.
December 10th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
For the neophytes, the DLS QB was not the best QB on the field tonight. Vision of the field, tightness of the spiral, and accuracy to the target belonged to Kline. He will excel with D1 receivers. The other ‘guy’ has issues…
December 11th, 2011 at 12:09 am
The best QB on the field tonight was Brett Stephens.
December 11th, 2011 at 9:33 am
The other guiy’s issues are 3 state champioship visits.
Kline ran for his life and padded his stats agaimst 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
He’ll be another average Cal QB, just like the last several. He can’t win big games.
December 11th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Can’t win big games?!?! No one in norcal has beaten DLS in 223 straight games. So that don’t count. You could have knocked Kline for not winning big games last year, but this year he was unstoppable against Cal in a HUGE regular season game, and then when it mattered in the playoffs he was the difference vs. Logan and then dominated Monte Vista. I count all of those as big game wins.
December 11th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Dixon never did much against DLS either.. Where is he at now?
December 11th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Kessler said what all of us non-DLS Nation people have been saying for years.
From the SF Chronicle, “Competing against a team from multiple cities, versus a team from one city is too much. They’re an amazing program, no discredit to them, but you see it year in, year out-20 straight-its not a fair playing field.”
Yes Big Dog, this is the structural advantage Kessler speaks of. Go ahead and publically rip Kessler now.
He knows that SRV and the other 19 NCS D1 schools will never, ever know what it’s like to make that wonderful drive down I-5 to Carson to play in a State Bowl Game; all because “its not a fair playing field.”
Congrats to the 2 East Bay teams, DLS & Campo; go Norcal. BTW, Brett Stephens was the best QB on the field last night.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:20 am
InTheKnow……here’s a rarity but I agree with you on this one (#9 post.) Thank god he is going to Cal and not Stanford or even worse Michigan,
December 11th, 2011 at 10:42 am
SRV got blown to SJS power Folsom, to a cross town rival MV during the season and twice to DLS. They beat a better than average team in Mitty this year. The rest of the EBAL is very weak in defense and pass defense overall. Kline had some tough games against DLS and Folsom this year. Those are high powered quality programs.
The success of any QB is your offensive line. It is safe to say that if he played against WCAL and SJS teams those stats would not be there. The number one QB in Northern California and the state according to some publications didn’t look number one last nite or the previous encounter with the Spartans, if he faced St. Mary’s and Bellarmine like the Spartans played it would be close to the same result. A nice young man, but he’s human, as evidance in these big games. Playing other EBAL teams in a passing format are not big games.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Voice of Reason, did you speak to Edison yet? I would like his take through you on your statements, since you went to school at Moreau, make the call.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Silvergreen, didn’t DJ have 6 tds in a game at Owen-Owens ? Where those all rushing? I remember a couple were pass plays. Your thoughts?
December 11th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I hope Coach Kessler reamined at the Coliseum last nighht to watch a team with balls and grit (Campo) defeat their third consecutive “structual advantage” school.
Kessler is another of the weak minded leadership that represents much of Nor Cal football. May I suggest Coach Kessler spend the off season with Coach Macy to understand what real leadership is all about.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:18 am
In the Hoe, he didn’t look unstoppable to me last nite. 4 of us attended the game and we all agreed he’s going to need a lot of work for the Pac-12. Arm strengh is not everything. Now if the 2 Catholic kids, Freddie and Barton are also attending Cal, he’ll have a better look from the bench.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I wasn’t sure about Kline either but after watching him again against DLS he is a special talent. The throws he makes on the move are right on target. If you look at his TD to Int ratio it is excellent for a HS kid so he makes good decisions also. I don’t even know what your point is BigDog, if you like DLS they won, congratulate the opponent. Degrading your opponent really makes no sense if you are trying to prove that you actually accomplished something.
Kessler is unprofessional and delusional at the same time. Go play Gorman or Aquinas and then I would like to hear his comments, talk about unfair playing field. Maybe all those 6-2 215 pound O Lineman gave DLS the huge edge. Anyone with half a brain can see the execution difference and that is coaching. Kids aren’t born with that. They could make an all star team from the rest of the league, practice all year and would still lose. Be careful what you wish for. If you make a two division private/public then public will become completely irrelevant. Maybe he is referring to having open boundaries for Public schools also, more than likely he has no thought at all but just a poor loser which takes away from his teams accomplishments this season.
Amazing how you have 1 single case (that is called an anomaly not the norm) and everyone wants to throw out the whole system. Congrats to Campo for beating all the Private Bullies that pull from multiple cities. State Bowl reps this year of the 10 teams will include a grand total of 3 privates DLS, Bells, & Sierra Canyon. Helix is a Charter if they are selected and Bells might not have been selected had Pleasant Grove not lost in Section final.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Wonder where that “structural advantage” was when SRV beat Mitty.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:57 am
I was mearly saying Houston was the better QB in both meetings this year- the anti DLSers attacked that statement. Your other points make sense to me. Who does Coach Kessler coach for? Never heard of the bum.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I was mearly stating that Houston was the better QB in both meetings this year- the anti DLSers’ attacked that point. Your other comments make sense, who does Kessler coach for, never heard of the bum.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Voice of reason kessler could b rite look how da new leagues r goin u got coaches askn 2 b n weak b leagues 4 competitive equity well y cant d1 schools ask 2 b put n d2 cuz there aint no competitive equity n d1. I would luv for jimmy d 2 interview gil lemon ask him y r b leagues giving an automatic berth. Wat is competitive equity? I hear knightengale wants pinole n el cerrito out of his divison n replace dem wit albany wat a coward! Tagaloga congrats but i guess u never want 2 play n da rose bowl!
December 11th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Some of you DLS faaithful just don’t get it. Mitty doesn’t enjoy the structural advantage DLS does. Mitty is located in close proximity to Bellarmine and Valley Christian. Moreover, they compete in the WCAL where all 8 private schools do not enjoy any competitive advantage over each other. DLS has no other private D1 schools to compete against in NCS for quality athletes.
Good lord, 20 consecutive NCS D1 titles and still the denial!
December 11th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Voice of Reason- YOU don’t get it. Get off the blog. Your season is over. The DeLa bloggers have the floor. There’s no seperation of church and state in OUR government.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Best of luck to both boys; I hope they both stay healthy and have great careers. Both are extremely talented. Everyone put aside your built-in bias and it’s possible they will play against each other in the Rose Bowl someday.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Maybe a topic for another thread: Let’s revisit letting DLS go independent again like they did when they were affiliated with the BVAL. If the coaches in the league want to tap out and admit never-ending defeat, let Spartans go Indy under the same arrangements as before. EBAL could have their own league champion but then DLS still qualifies for North Coast with automatic berth. Seems the Danville coaches have implied in interviews what a lost cuase this is. Don’t think Sweeney at Foothill would go along, he is a fighter and think he enjoys the big challenge(IMHO Sweeney the best coach in league after Lad). Cal will be very good the next couple of years and Livermore got a lot better this year. It’s worth thinking about anyway.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
hey jimmy
i thought salesian was staying in the bfl for football when did that change, i recall blogers baggin on nightengale for that, whats going on with that.
dls bloggers
ur very delusional to think dls dont have any advantages, BUT i feel they can b beat, they problem really isnt the advantages they have, the real problem is that most coaching staffs that have the talent to beat them dont work on the things that make dls football what it is, and that the fundamentals, discipline and execution, they are usually the best at all 3. and the staffs that do work really hard at the are either not talented enough [sometimes foothill very well coached] or coaches and/or players are afraid partly the mystic, or they are not physical enough, thought srv wasnt physical enough last nite. now the last time my pirates played dls they had the talent and very much was more physical but made way too many mistakes and u cant win a championship vs anyone win it, championship teams dont make many mistakes and that the discipline of the thing.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Oh I get it YoMama, and so does everyone else who doesn’t bleed green and white. The responses are always the same when you hit the right nerve.
Regardless, I will root DLS on because I am a Norcal guy after all, and I really do appreciate the genius that is Coach Ladouceur and what he and his coaches do for the young men on and off the field, year in and year out.
My Christmmas wish? That Gil Lemmon and the rest of the powers that be at NCS figure out a system, like the CCS, whereby we can have two D1 NCS teams compete for a State Regional Bowl Game. Perhaps someone from the DLS faithful can provide a viable solution?
December 11th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Pirate Football is the TRUE “Voice of Reason”. Many schools have different, more or less advantages but the simple advantage that DLS has (lack or enrollment boundary) does not explain what they have accomplished there for 3 decades. Their facilities are sub par, locker room, weight room, practice field. As for the other privates, even publics mentioned it is kind of like “Field of Dreams”…”If you build it he (or they) will come.” Thing is you have to build it first.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
The CCS does not have a system to allow two DI teams to compete for a SBG bid. The winner of the DI CCS Championship will NEVER play in a SBG. The Open winner is the only one that has a chance. A lower level team say Palma in DIII could rep by winning CCS DIII and not the Open possibly. No chance for a DI winner under the current format.
Only way that ever happens in NCS (Two DI’s) is if DLS is just given an automatic pass to a SBG or Regional Game. That would be a pretty ridiculous option considering that they were a missed extra point away this year from possibly not going to any game at all. The Bells make the extra and Pleasant Grove beats Granite Bay and DLS stays home this year. Of course that didn’t happen but was inches away from happening. No matter how good DLS is playing now if those things had happened they were out.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Kessler’s remarks in the Chronicle were very unprofessional imo.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
what’s all the mess on the blog about coach T at encinal? Something happen at the school? I can’t think of another coach who could deal with issues and still win as many games that he did? I know personally some BSAL coaches didn’t like him, but respected the talent he put on the field. I personally had some remarks towards him about his view on BSAL privates and his early juvenille comments on a blog from a coach, if that was really him, however that was more than several years back and he has learned to eat a little crow when the jets lost. for him to leave encinal with all that success is a shame and if it is true i wish him well with no hard feelings. better hope he doesn’t surface at some of those privates, he would do very well.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
again, who is kessler? Never heard of him. what’s the remarks- got a web site in the cron on it?
December 11th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
20 Straight, I’ve said in recent posts that DLS parents do not send their son’s to DLS to become astronauts. Again “Wikepedia DLS Notable Alumni” out of 21 mentioned only 2 are for other than sports. The “DLS” stroking of the other EBAL schools “their getting better, they welcome the competition” having a private/public path to state will not solve the problem is all a bunch of “BS” meant to appease the other EBAL/Public schools so that DLS can continue to enjoy the benefits of playing on quality fields in quality environments with minimal transportation costs. DLS will never admit that the playing field is not level because doing so would take some of the “shine” off those “State Championship” trophies. Question to the DLS faithful “How many other schools received jerseys from NIKE”. DLS will win the State Championship and will represent the North again next year, but what they are not winning is “respect” from outside their program who know how uneven the playing field is. Congratulations to Campolindo you have the respect of of surrounding communities, you won without having players commuting through the Caldecott Tunnel or through the I680/24 Interchange. It’s called “Respect” DLS, you don’t get it.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Gdog, you are respectfully wrong.
The list of State Bowl eligible teams this year include both Bellarmine (CCS Open Champion) and Serra (CCS D1 Champion). It is conceivable, but of course not likely this year, that both could be nominated to play in the SBG. This year DLS & possibly Granite Bay have a better resume than than Serra. But the point remains, both CCS D1 schools are eligible.
In fact, CCS has a distinct advantage over NCS & SJS in terms of getting at least one D1 team, if not two, from their section to a Regional State Bowl Game starting next year strictly because they have an Open division in addition to D1.
The only divisions that will contribute eligible teams to the North State D1 Regional Game are (2 of the 4):
CCS Open
CCS D1
NCS D1
SJS D1
Of Course, all divisions in all sections (San Francisco, Oakland, North, CCS, NCS, SJS, are eligible to contribute a representative to the North State OPEN Regional State Game, including the CCS Open & D1 teams.
Again, I don’t know how the NCS can somehow do what the CCS is able to do, mainly because the CCS has the 8 team private school WCAL league & DLS is all by itself as a D1 private school.
This issue has been disected by the “experts” on Norcalpreps.com so this is not just coming from me.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
BigJoe, get a clue. If you are going to opine on these blogs, at least know the names of the coaches. Kessler is the head coach of San Ramon Valley. Check in on sfgate.com regarding the DLS/SRV game to see his quote.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Does anybody know when & where we can find out who got selected for the Bowls??
December 11th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
AS a DLS fan… EBAL5 I am happy DLS does not have your respect. I’d much rather get the respect of someone who has some sack.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
The same misinformed person that claimed that DLS cheats because they work out year round. What a clown!
December 11th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
PERKIN, Its on maxpreps.com
December 11th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Division IV: Le Grand (12-0) vs. Sierra Canyon-Chatsworth 14-0
Division I: Bellarmine (12-1) vs. Santa Margarita-Rancho Santa Margarita (12-2)
Division III: Campolindo-Moraga (14-0) vs. Washington Union-Fresno, (13-0)
Division II: North, Del Oro-Loomis (13-1) vs. South, Helix-La Mesa (12-1)
Open Division: De La Salle-Concord (12-1) vs. Westlake-Westlake Village (14-0)
December 11th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Redland Blue, I got a clue. I really didn’t know who kessler was- I thought it was a whiskey. So he popped his mouth and took another loss, 2 this year. Gee that 524 yds. of offense in 3 quarters must have been the clue.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
EBAL5, who needs your respect??????? No team speed, no diversity, no defense, no running game, you think the EBAL could play and match the SJS leagues? Not the WCAL either. You must have been all-puss if you played at all.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Public Schools: 6
“Structurally Advantaged”: 4
Nice to see the public schools rising to the occasion, instead of whining and making excuses.
December 11th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Geez Junior, if you are going to quote some of my previous posts, get it right. DLS & ONLY DLS has the structural advantage and to their credit has taken this advantage to the tune of 20 consecutive D1 NCS Championships. Once again, they will never lose to a public school in northern california as long as Coach Lad continues to run the program.
However, unlike EBAL5, I do respect what DLS has done; nothing but class.
December 11th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
you must be kidding…. only one school, wait, only one PROGRAM, has the “structural advantage”??? DLS cross country does not have it? DLS golf does not have it? (You have already stated Marin Catholic, Moreau, etc do not) THE most team intensive sport around, football.
So, only DLS FOOTBALL has the “structural advantage”… that is more lame than I originally thought. If you win too much, gotta be unfair.
Im guessing your favorite new coach is Wimpy The Defeatest, Whoa is Me, Softy, Coach Kessler.
December 11th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
voice of reason- we dela’s appreciate that last staement, thanks for the respect and your statement on DLS class. we now need to leave the other opinions and issues alone- move on to the state game and I would hope all NCS members are cheering for the Spartans. Let’s focus on matchups and opponents.
DLSer’s, call the dogs off voice and others- we know the truth.
December 11th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
For the last time Junior, here is my post of several days ago. You either have a terrible memory or are intentionally misrepresenting my previous posts for your own personal gain. I suspect it is the latter.
Here was my post of December 7,
“……. It is precisely because they are a private school that has enabled them to dominate the past 25 years. Make no mistake, it took what is unquestionably the best High School Football coach in Bob Ladouceur and his staff to leverage the structural advantage they have into the dominant program they have become. Take away Lad & his staff and you would have an ordinary catholic school program.
For instance, the baseball program at DLS has not had a “Bob Ladouceur like” head coach over the last several years. 2 seasons ago they finshed in dead last in the EBAL. Conversely, look what Alloco has done since he came to DLS in 2004? 7 straight years of winning their league & 4 section titles; not to mention winning 8 section titles overall in the past 13 years. Not one other public NCS D1 team can come close to matching their record over this period in hoops; they all cycle up and down as all public schools do…..”
Finally, you are welcome BigJoe, I really am a fan of what De La Salle has accomplished. I have many friends who have kids who have graduated or are attending DLS, some for athletics, all for the great education. I also have friends who have expressed frustration their football playing sons will never experience a chance at attending a State Bowl Game (think California High, 2010).
To quote a KNBR radio personality, “Two things can be equally true.” 1. De La Salle has some of the best coaches around, in several sports, and this has helped then to attain their lofty status; like any program though, they don’t have top flight coaches in all sports (like baseball). 2. The open enrollment policy that covers a population base of nearly 1.5 million people enables DLS access to student athletes no other public school can match; they are the only private school in D1 NCS (unlike many WCAL schools in CCS). It is just my opinion this “structural advantage” is a major factor in enabling the DLS football program to attain 20 consecutive D1 NCS Championships. No malice, a small bit of envy, but most importantly, it is the truth.
December 11th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
sng
C’MON MAN lets b honest we know dls practice year round i personally know a coach on the staff and many many former players and a few current players, so dont come on here saying they dont. many teams do it, cif need to get a grip and remove some of these rules they have. our california kids are lots of times behind kids in other states due to the restrictions they put on. in many states they practice/workout year round and some they can practice on sundays.
December 11th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Pirate,
Not sure what you point is Pirate, regarless, I’ve never said DLS does not work out year round, one of the many reasons for their success is their off season work out/conditioning program. There are CIF bylaws that allow for teams to condition year round for certain sports, one of them being football. Certain Blogger (they know who they are) was in here earlier this year alledging that DLS cheats because they work out year round. I’ll post the link yet again:
http://www.cifncs.org/sports/PRACTICE%20AND%20CONDITIONING%20RULES%20INTERPRETATIONS.pdf
December 11th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
If DLS practiced all year round, I believe someone would have exposed it, this is the era of cell phones, cameras and the Internet. As in, nowhere to hide. THey lift weights year round and obviously football is their life, but i dont see how any more repetitions of the basic offense (veer) would make any difference. It comes down to who the players are lacing up the cleats.
December 11th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Doesn’t every team condition year round? I know all the EBAL teams do.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
1.5 MM??? that is funny stuff. You post that with a straight face too. Oh the haters have no conscience.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
sng
be in denial all you want to i am fully aware of those bylaws, dont mean everybody goes by them, and dls isnt the only team doing it. say what u will like i said i personally know dls players former players and coaches, the thing is im not making it as a complaint i think they should remove lots of these rules and bylaws, california is behind becuz of it
December 11th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
So’funny//you could be taking the posts from 15 years ago andthey ain’t chnging….DLS is the best…dig it! …Norcal quit hating..be proud.they somehting specail and there aint no cheating — DLS are good guys
December 11th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Pirate,
I am not going to engage you in an argument, cause there is no argument. You would not understand the context of my post. I was ridiculing an earlier poster’s credibility based on some dumb a$$ statements they made probably a few weeks ago if not months ago. Who is in denial?? Denial about what?? Drop it Pirate, There is nothing to discuss here. I am glad you know coaches and players. I do too, very personally too as I have a son that plays for DLS.
At Prep, you are correct many of the EBAL teams and some of the BVAL teams condition year round. I think the level of play, speed of the game and injury prevention requires a year round conditioning regimen.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Junior, you should know I wouldn’t post anything without facts to back it up. The population of Contra Costa County in 2010 is approximately 1,050,000 with De La Salle right smack in the middle of the county. I challenge you to tell me just one city in the county that has not sent a student athlete to the school. Further, the Alameda County cities of Pleasanton, Livermore & Dublin and the Solano County cities of Vallejo & Benicia have all sent student athletes to DLS for a total reach of 1,280,000. Finally, I originally added Berkeley & Oakland (504,000 additional people), but I think you get the picture. Even you, Junior, can verify these numbers on the internet.
I’m no hater, I attend a few DLS sporting events each year and will actively root for them to defeat Westlake next Saturday. And yes, I typed this all with a straight face.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
88% of DLS is from Catholic schools math wizard-debunks your “fact”.
Another disconnect by the public school apologists- DLS is most renown for its offensive line play… by 210 LB lineman. Do SRV, MV, CAL, Las Lomas, Concord, Dublin, etc, have a lack of 210 LB, somewhat athletic, tough kids on campus? Or do they all attend DLS? How exactly do parents of 155 LB 7th graders figure out their kid will make an outstanding OT or C in 4 years at DLS?
Let us applaud Coach Macy for dreaming the impossible and tearing down the “structural advantage” wall that is impossible to overcome in D1. Can someone please help coach Kessler.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Junior the reason that only one program has taken advantage of this (which I disagree with) is because football is a big enough deal where kids will make the sacrifice to commute a long distance to play for a winning program. Your elite women’s soccer player is probably just going to go to there local high school because high school soccer is not as big of a deal. Also football is one of the few sports that does not have club teams to play for in the offseason. In some sport club is a bigger deal then high school. Secondly football is the biggest team sport around so a students know they need to be at a good school in order to win. Any individual sport athlete is not going to go to dls because it does not matter how good the program is. Finally football is a sport that requires the extreme amounts of depth. This advantage is more prevalent in football because dls has second and third string guys that would be starting at any other high school. It was seen this year at running back. They were down to there fourth stringer and he was still serviceable. Even at the large ebal publics they don’t have a fourth string and if u get down that far they are putting in a guy that has never carried the ball before. But really this argument is pointless because dls supporters will never admit to an advantage.
December 12th, 2011 at 12:39 am
bigeasy
ur on point with that, dls people are so delusional, im not even complaining about what they do and how they can recruit.
sng
did i strike a nerve lil buddy, i really dont care bout when they practice and how much my complaint is with the cif, all those restrictions they have, when we play some out of state schools they are at an advantage in some ways, and when our kids they are at times behind especially at the lineman pos
December 12th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Just because people try to explain some of the many reasons why DLS has won 20 NCS titles in a row doesn’t make them haters. It is only normal to question how they have done it. To say it is only due to hard work and coaching is not looking at the full picture, but that is certainly a huge part of it. Then you can take it further and look at why they are able to attract such good coaching or how they are able to get the kids to work so hard. Every school has different characteristics that make it unique. Bigeasy and Voice of Reason have stated what they observe to be other reasons which contribute to the DLS greatness. That doesn’t make them haters. Sometimes the DLS faithful just need to sit back and enjoy their success rather than trying to fight any comment which might suggest they have an advantage over any other school.
Congrats on yet another great job this season Spartans and good luck vs. Westlake next week.
December 12th, 2011 at 1:54 am
Hmmm ok, whatever, Pirate.
December 12th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Here is my 2 cents
You are not just playing DLS ur also playing their mystique!!!
A FEW MONTHS back i was arguing with a coach that played against dls some years back. HE seem 2 be amazed at all their championship banners. He tried 2 explain 2 me how the mystique of the school gave them a psychological advantage. well coach no BANNER HAS EVER HIT ME- NO BANNER HAS EVER KNOCKED ME UNCONSCIOUS NO BANNER HAS EVER CAUGHT A PASS OR THROWN A PASS… BANNERS DONT KICK BALLS OR FIELD PUNTS but if this is the mentality of bay area coaches it maybe 20 more years of DLS complete dominance!!!
December 12th, 2011 at 9:35 am
to #58 – Your numbers are incorrect…
From the DLS School Website:
Being Catholic is NOT a requirement to attend DLS and approximately 18% of the student population is non-Catholic.
Of the 264 students who currently make up the graduating class of 2013, 152 (57.58%) were from Catholic elementary schools. 71 (25.89%) students came from Public elementary schools and the remaining 41 (15.53%) attended independent non-catholic elementary schools.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Most DLS fans have zero problem with stating DLS has advantages. You get push back when “unfair” is put in front of advantage or it is stated that DLS’s advantages cannot be overcome when the evidence is the opposite.
If you are going to advise the DLS crowd to sit back and enjoy- extend the same advise to the anti-DLS group.
Ultimately, this is ALL about winning-not about advantages. No other program wins as much as DLS football, therefore they do not receive the back handed comments. The day DLS Football wins less, most of these comments will go away.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am
VOR #35. Technically I am wrong, they are eligible you are correct. My point is under the current set-up with D1 team playing in the DI Division will never get an invite. Lets use Cal as an example last year if we had this in NCS. If DLS & Cal did not play in the regular season but there was an Open and DI division where whould Cal have been placed? In the Open and would have had to play DLS. My point was by playing “down” you will not get invited to a State Bowl Game. They can win a Section Title, if that is their desire, playing weak competition but will not gain a SBG berth. So IMO you are wrong in that it doesn’t really allow for two DI teams to be selected for SBG as you stated in your post about the CCS system. It does allow for two DI teams to win Section Titles.
December 12th, 2011 at 10:00 am
To all the DLS “Supporters” here…
The one thing that I can say is that I would imagine that Coach Lad would have quite a few words for all of you regarding your comments on this thread.
With his teams he promotes proving yourself on the field. He doesn’t promote smack-talk and quite frankly would be ashamed at the tone and unsportsmanlike attitude that many of you display on this thread.
Even during the game this weekend when the a DLS player made a good play and got up and thumped his chest and spiked the ball and got the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, the camera panned over the Coach Lad and showed him to have a less than pleased look on his face (and it wasn’t because he was upset with the official).
DLS is supposed to represent class and integrity and brotherhood. I submit to you that very few of the posts here qualify in maintaining these goals.
December 12th, 2011 at 11:07 am
NO thoughts on the State games? Anybody know about he teams that DLS, Bell, & Campo are facing??
December 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Isn’t an advantage inherently unfair?
December 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Epc,
You are right. Time to move on and talk about football. Always appreciate your well thought out posts and reasonable thoughts.
Perkin,
Thanks for trying to get the thread back on track here…I’ll give you my amateur thoughts on Westlake, based on the game that I watched against Oaks this past Friday:
I think DLS will have the advantage in the LOS, as Westlake appeared very big (very slow) in their front five. Line play i think will favor the Spartans.
The QB for Westlake can run, I would expect he will be doing a lot of this against the Spartans. These types of QBs tend to give the Spartans trouble. I think the Spartans will need to spy him with one of their 3 LBS. My thought is that it will be Hutch or Barton. The RB for Westlake seemed solid, however, I did not think he was anywhere near as good as Drew from Livermore or # 5 from Freedom. They should be able to contain him rather well.
Against Oaks, they gave up 42 points, not sure if you do that against the Spartans you stay in the game. The Spartan offense seems much stronger than the Oaks that I saw with a sophomore QB that threw I think 5 picks?
Lastly, it looks like the forecast will remain dry. this should benefit the speedsters from the south! (-:
Looking forward to some updates from the Campo faithful…best of luck this weekend and bring one home for the North!
December 12th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Will the last person in Moraga turn out the light? Reports are Campolindo brought 3,500 to 4,000 people to the Coliseum Saturday evening to witness an NCS Championship on the 25th anniversary of their last NCS Championship in 1986, also at the Coliseum. By the way, De La Salle also won their 3rd consecutive championship that year; who knew that Coach Lad was just getting started and this would be just the beginning of their incredible reign.
Campolindo is the underdog this Saturday (against Washington-Union) for the 3rd consecutive week and you get the feeling Coach Macy rather likes it this way. Once the families of Cardinal Newman & Marin Catholic cancel their long held reservations at the Marriot in Torrance (true statement!) Campo parents will then be able to make plans for a weekend in LA to watch this improbable, made for TV story, continue for one final week.
By now, no one is buying Coach Macy’s ‘aw shucks’, ‘I don’t know how we are doing it,’ ‘just happy to be here schtick anymore.’ Truth is, this is just the culmination of 16 years of Coach Macy bringing the culture of football back to Moraga. Campolindo may have even had better teams than this current one; the Graziano led teams of 2003-2004 come to mind.
But this year’s team has been the perfect storm of QB Stephens benfitting from the lumps he took as a sophomore splitting time as the QB in 2010; nearly a full year of great health and few injuries; the right player for every position, knowing full well this team has no depth; a schedule that allowed this team to slowly build confidence in their offensive & defensive lines; a tough road win in game 3 against a very difficult El Cerrito team who led that game 13-0 in the first half, thus allowing the team and Coach Macy to feel that they just might have something special beginning to form – that “learning how to win” feeling.
We’ll soon find out this weekend if Campolindo can cap off a season for the ages this Saturday. I know one thing, Coach Macy will have them ready to play.
December 13th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
I think coach lad said it best “The public’s perception of what we do or what we stand for is drastically different than what actually takes place. I can imagine that this is probably true for many organizations. This is especially true for our football team. People are constantly writing the local papers questioning the integrity of our program. It’s upsetting in so much that it questions the integrity of school officials and coaches sworn to uphold the ideals of our founder St. La Salle. What’s worse, it completely nullifies the hard work, sheer grit and determination of our student athletes at De La Salle”. Lest not forget that DLS is run by the christian brothers and their goal is to give an education to kids, not to win sports games. Maybe you should look up what St. La Salle did for kids and his philosophy about education.
Coach Lad has never recruited a player, if you think he has or does there would be plenty of people with proof that he did. I went to a public school for middle school and then went on to DLS, and was shocked to learn when I was a freshman that the majority of the kids that were playing sports at DLS were not as athletic as the kids I went to middle school with, with of course a few exceptions. But when i was a Junior I could tell that all the athletes at DLS were on a different level then any other school. I stopped playing sports after my sophomore year and when I went out at night I would see a lot of SRV and MVHS football players in my grade that i went to middle school with out at movies, sporting events, etc. The only time I saw a DLS basketball or football players out at these places was my senior year, a couple weeks after their season ended. At DLS you have to give up everything to play a sport, I wasn’t willing to do that, but always respected the kids that did because they gave up their personal lives to be great at their passion. DLS athletes learn quickly that being coachable is the most important thing, and if you don’t want to listen to the coaches they will have no problem cutting you from their program, no matter who you are. The coachable kids would always become better then the none coachable kids 100% of the time anyways.
December 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
The Campo 2003-2004 is no where near as good as this team. They won maybe the deepst D3 bracket in recent history. I think better then last year. They win state they do what no other D-3 could do. They would have to go down as the best d3 team in the Bay Area of the last 25 years. CN, Novato, Marin Catholic, all went to state & couldn’t get it done. Hard to compare the 2004 Campo team they didn’t even win NCS or go undefeated. The BOD 2011 teams was better then the BOD 2004 NCS championship team in my opinion.
December 13th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
I’m not sure who is questioning the integrity of DLS Duke. Most of what I have seen praises them for thier hard work and excellence, and many have stated that they have certain advantages not shared by most public schools. Having a lot of good athletes from a wide area does not mean they don’t have integrity.
There is no question that the athletes at DLS work extremely hard, but you seem to be saying that kids from the public schools aren’t dedicated or don’t work hard, and that is being pretty narrow. If you live in Danville, then there is a much greater probablitiy of you seeing kids from MV or SRV than DLS kids. I’m pretty sure DLS has kids that go to the movies or sporting events too (seen them), but the DLS kids are spread out in a much larger geographical area than just Danville. Congrats to DLS for their well earned NCS championship and good luck vs. Westlake!
December 13th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Duke, Read your piece, very insightful especially from someone who has attended DLS however I still have issues and now new concerns” with your program. I try to deal with facts so when I read the word “Perception” it causes me concern. I mentioned in a previous post about my loss of respect for your program, As one who believes the written word is much more powerful than the spoken word, look no farther than this blog, DLS just won it’s 20′th, straight NCS championship, 20′th, history, never done before, yet how may of the posts above say congratulations 2? out of 74. Silence says a lot. Look at the Campolinda blog, yes only 8 but over 50% offering congratulations. My “Perception” People respect what they accomplished an even more importantly how they accomplished it. Picked to finish last too, do you think parents enrolled their sons into “Campo” to win a championship or scholarship? My perception “Hell No”. Do I think parents enroll their son’s into DLS to win a championship or scholarship, I think I answered that long ago.
My concern about your programs, “Your Words” “At DLS you have to give up everything to play a sport” the only time you saw a DLS football or Basketball player in the community was a couple or weeks after their season ended. Your comments along with past comments from parents on this blog, 1) conditioning is year round, 2) I drive my son to practice at 6am, 3) We work harder push ourselves harder than all the rest 4) DLS athletes push themselves to the edge and then keep going 5) Losing is not accepted at DLS, Fact is (not my perception) “I believe it”. With that being said there was an excellent program on “ESPN” this past Saturday “Duke” called “The Marinovich Project” so many parallel’s with what you saw/experianced and “The Faithful/Supporter’s say occurs at “DLS”.
December 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
EBAL5 can’t believe you attended DLS, did you graduate?
Anyway, on to more important things.
Westlake is a lot like the team DLS beat two years ago in the State Championship, Crenshaw of Los Angeles. Great player D’Anthony Thomas (who now is a star at Oregon and will be in the Rose Bowl this year)and team with a lot of speed and real big giant linemen (280 to 340 pounds)that will tire in the second half against the speed and conditioning of the 210 pound Spartan Offensive line. I expect a tight game at half and then Sparta breaks it open in third quareter. Houston and Barton get third straight Open Division State Championship. The equilibrium in the Universe will have been restored for at least another year until the whining begins from the Fairness Society of “everyone gets a trophy and gets an equal amount of cookies” crowd fills the blogs with their drivel. Maybe that is what you parents need to start teaching your kids, “life isn’t fair” and the only chance you have is to work extremely hard and maybe get a little bit of luck. And when DLS loses (and someday they will) those kids will go down in history as the “ones” who did it and won’t that be a great thing and a story to tell (Just like the 1991 Pittsburg Pirates, who still talk about it)to their kids. Amen.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:55 am
EBALFAN#2 if you beleive that DLS will win a Open title so easy(I think they probably will watched Del Oro can’t see them competing with DLS) can it be partly because football in Cali is really hasn’t been all that great recently or has DLS just caught up? Its been 3 years since DLS lost or really had to compete for a win. I thought So Cal was right there with NorCal 2-3 years ago with Centenial, Mission Viejo, Servite, ect. But it doesn’t seem like they are competing like they have been.
IDK. I just don’t see DLS running through other states no knock on them. I would love to see a December DLS compete with Florida or Texas.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@ Perkin #73
I respect your opinion, but I disagree with your take on those 2004 Campo and BOD teams and the current ’11 BOD team.
The 04 Campo team with Graziano was in my opinion a more talented team that played with all of their guys healthy. This Campo team not as talented but playing better as a group. Back ups doing a great job, especially at RB.
The 2011 BOD team is FAR MORE talented in the skill positions than was the ’04 team. But the ’04 team played harder, was more fundamentally sound than the ’11 Dragons and embraced what “team” and discipline are all about. I attended quite a few games of both the ’04 and ’11 Dragons and I can tell you from being there that the ’04 BOD team was all about football and each other. The ’04 team did not get caught up in the antics that I observed from the ’11 BOD team. Taunting, pre game trash talking, unsportsmanlike behavior, disrespecting opponents, etc was not part of the football culture under the previous staff. The ’04 team came out, lined up, ran the ball, played great defense and did not subscribe to the antics of this years BOD team. The coaching staff in ’04 had great game plans each week, made appropriate half time adjustments and, win or lose (10-3 record, NCS champs), played hard every game that I saw.
Just my take: the ’04 Dragons would crush the 2011 Dragons in the same manner that the ’04 Dragons took apart the ’04 Campo Cougars!
Nonetheless, great job by Coach Macy and his staff and players this year and every year.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Antics aside better FB players on the bod ’11 & a better throwing attack. #20′s a stud on D. 04 had trouble with the pass & I can’t remeber if that was the year they were solid throwing? They weren’t for a lot of years with one of those years being the exception. Probably 04.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I agree with some of your comments PERKIN; I wish DLS could play some of these big games late in the season, the team and coaches improve like no other school i have ever seen.
Re: the out of state games I am glad that I’m hearing about a home/home with Mullen of Colorado. At least they are a shorter plane ride and only one time zone away. No excuse because DLS played all-around a poor game this year, but the 3,000 mile trips for a high school game is over the top. There are definitely regional matchups against good competition in Western United States.
I am confident about this game with Westlake but it will be a tough battle. Ultimately I think the conditioning will win out. I believe you are right that this is a down year in the state; you don’t have a Black Mamba from Crenshaw, no Montana at Oaks (the Oaks QB this year is a sophomore, if he would have played even a pedestrian game WL goes bye-bye) or all the buzz you heard from Servite last year. It is actually strangely quiet regarding 2011 SBG; me thinks SOCAL knows that there are at least 4 high quality teams coming at them. I’m just rooting for all the NORCAL teams; should be a good party.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Perkin,
My recollection is that the ’04 BOD squad did defend the pass very well. One DB had numerous ints that season. Can’t recall his name. Strength of the ’04 team was its running game and defense. Two backs (Louis Arnold and Jesse Brooks, I believe) EACH rushed for 1,800+ yards. QB did a great job of managing the offense; not a bunch of turn overs. Did throw for 10 or so TD’s that year. Defense did a great job of keeping Campos Grazziano in check while the offense really hammered the Campo D in the NCS title game.
I agree that this years BOD team was more talented in the skill positions across the board than the ’04 squad. But the ’04 team was better coached, played as a “team”, no antics or nonsense, better conditioned and was better prepared week to week than the ’11 BOD squad. Coaching is huge come NCS time.
Just my opinion: previous staff at BOD was far superior to current staff at preparing the team to compete come NCS time. Current staff does not appear to make adjustments, especially defensively, to keep the opponents in check. BOD better-coached, better prepared and better conditioned under previous staff. Just saying.