- East Bay Prep Corner
Final 2011 East Bay football poll
By Jimmy Durkin
Monday, December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm in East Bay Football, East Bay Poll.
| Team | Record | Points | Last week |
| 1. De La Salle (6) | 13-1 | 90 | 1 |
| 2. Campolindo | 14-1 | 84 | 6 |
| 3. San Ramon Valley | 10-4 | 78 | 3 |
| 4. Encinal | 11-2 | 65 | 4 |
| t5. James Logan | 10-1 | 63 | 2 |
| t5. Salesian | 13-0 | 63 | 7 |
| 7. Pittsburg | 9-4 | 57 | 8 |
| 8. Freedom | 10-2 | 46 | 9 |
| t9. Concord | 10-4 | 39 | NR |
| t9. Monte Vista | 8-5 | 39 | 15 |
| 11. California | 7-4 | 29 | 5 |
| 12. Bishop O’Dowd | 9-3 | 22 | 13 |
| 13. Berkeley | 7-4 | 13 | 11 |
| 14. Dublin | 8-5 | 10 | NR |
| 15. Miramonte | 10-2 | 9 | 10 |
Also receiving votes: McClymonds (10-2, 6 points), Las Lomas (9-3, 4), El Cerrito (7-3-1, 2), College Park (7-5, 1). The East Bay Football Poll is voted on by the prep sports staff of Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
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December 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Congratulations to each team this year. Sad to see the year ending but nwxt year will be exciting.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Jimmy,
Now that the season is officially over what prominent hirings, firings and retirings do you expect to see during the off season? Do you see any big names moving around or quality programs with openings?
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
I would never predict any firings or hint that I thought someone won’t be returning. It’s expected that Pinole Valley coach Steve Alameda is retiring, so we’ll see what happens there. I’m sure others will come up, but that’s the only one I have on the radar right now.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Congrads to #7-Pittsburg, #8-Freedom & #9-Concord for finishing in the top 10. and of course #1 DeLaSalle but I couldn’t help but notice that Coach Mac and the Mack Warriors were not rewarded for playing that cupcake schedule this year(10-2) and winning the weak OAL this year. So like I told you Coach Mac all year long step up and play some teams out my way?? I’m sure Pitt or Concord would gladly find room on their schedule to play you? Go Pirates
December 20th, 2011 at 12:11 am
With all do respect and I’m saying with all do respect, Salesian cannot beat 1 team on that list except Dublin.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Two things struck me.
First, what the hell is Dublin doing ranked ahead of Miramonte (or Las Lomas for that matter)?? Miramonte beat Dublin 35-14 and the game wasn’t as close as the score would indicate. Not only that but Miramonte beat Las Lomas that also beat Dublin. Not only that, but Miramonte’s only two losses are to #2 and #4 teams, whereas Dublin has five losses and was beaten by two teams not even listed (Las Lomas and Livermore)! The only case for Dublin is their two wins in the playoffs, but those were against a WEAK Ukian team and a less-than-mediocre College Park team. Clearly, they were the beneficiary of incompetent bracketing. Had they played Concord early like Las Lomas, they would have been out early.
My other coment is that some teams listed, Encinal, Campo, Salesian, would not beat the D1 teams like SRV, MV, Cal, Freedom, Pitt, Logan…at least not regularly. I’m happy smaller schools are considered competitive with their bigger rivals, but I can’t say Encinal, Campo or Salesian would be able to walk through BVAL or EBAL, which is what these ratings would indicate.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am
I agree with MiraMans’s observations above, especially the acknowledgment of incompetent bracketing, with the exception of CP being a less than mediocre team. They were the DVAL champs and beat Concord late in the season, and most of their losses were to D1 teams. That was a big road win for Dublin in 2OT. Likewise, Cal beat MV head to head and had a better record as well. It looks like the bracketing definitely affected the final rankings. No way Freedom should be at #8.
So the #3 seed for NCS D1 is not among the top 15 or even the other 4 receiving votes? One more congratulations to the seeding committee on the time and effort they put into the seedings this year.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
wow da oal champs cant crack da top 15 tells u all u need 2 know bout dat weakass league! Wen all ang comin out jimmy d?
December 20th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
i agree prep fan and mira…
which is why i have always believed there should almost be separate rankings..as good as campo was, would they really beat everyone from the ebal but dls?i mean they were one of the greatest stories of the past decade from east bay..picked to finish last coming off subpar season to undefeated state finals. but they would never finish 2nd in ebal let alone probably in top 5..my assessment would be that they are somehwere along the AV/foothill level of play. solid teams, great coaching, but not enough size and athleticism to compete with the big boys..but hats off to them for an amazing season.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
as to the comment of firings…i think it is so funny on here when parents, fans, players come on here acting like this is the NFL…
bottom line is no coach in the east bay will be fired for losing games…he will be fired for insubordination, mistreatment of players, parents, etc, lying, cheating, ethics, etc.. but not for the wins and losses. they make really $0 for the time and effort they put in. If they are dedicated, treat the kids fairly, work with administration, and give the kids a good building block for the future THEY WILL NOT BE FIRED!!!
December 20th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Prep Fan,
I wasn’t trying to bash CP, but they did suffer several losses and their Calprep rating is around a 13 which puts them somewhere above Liberty and below Analy; not particularly strong company. But they did win DVAL, in a down year, and their Concord victory was particularly impressive.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I wouldn’t too much weight on these rankings, these are the same knuckleheads (just kidding Stephine) who pick Campo to finish last, LOL! You all have a Merry Christmas and I’m already looking forward to next year!
Other than Campo, how did the prep writers do on their pre-season predictions? I’m going to have to go snooping in the archives.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Campo great season- but they are not # 2. SRV, Pitt and Freedom should be ahead of them. Encinal too high, they are not better than Pitt, Freedom, Cal, Salesian or Logan.
December 20th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Quit Hating you Guys congrats to campo, Encinal Salesians, D1 Was terrible this, Good seasons by every one, The rankings sem fair to me
December 20th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I don’t agree with this perceived strength that you all believe the EBAL has & its all based on Monte Vista. They suck. I saw them just get totally man handled by Serra & nothing saw in any other game the rest of the year would lead me to believe that they got better or it wouldn’t happen again at the end of the year. That being said I beleive that Encinal would beat SRV(on its day), beat Logan, Beat MV, defintely Salesian(overrated)& Freedom. I don’t think they match up well with Cal & Pitt. No doubt I think Campo beats all. NCS championship team that won the hardest bracket.
December 20th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Perkin,
I agree, much respect for Campo. Took on 3 very good programs and got to the big dance. #2 in my book…
December 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
To go along with Norcalfball’s comments in #9, Concord lost to Amador Valley this year, who finished at 2-5 in the EBAL and did not make the playoffs. Cal beat Amador 42-28. Concord also lost to College Park which Cal beat 52-14. As good as their postseason run and Olito Thompson were this year, to have them ranked ahead of Monte Vista and Cal is questionable at best. Concord was a very good D2 school but would not survive in the EBAL.
December 20th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RickyBobby, kinda harsh on Salesian. I’m surprised as well that it was ranked that high but this particular class of players (senior dominated) was very good despite not having much opportunity to play the better teams. It had an excellent line, very strong defense, and one of the best all around skill players in the area (Malic). Other than on TV I only saw Miramonte and Encinal play and I have no doubt the Pride would beat those teams. Even a magical team such as Campo, it’s hard to imagine, if you’ve seen our line play, that Salesian wouldn’t flat out dominate in the trenches. I understand that we don’t have the same level of QB play as a lot of the teams but the great running game would be pretty tough for most teams to stop. However, I do think that in the rankings we are getting some style points for a 20 game win streak and repeating as NCS champions.
December 20th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Encinal will have to show they can play with the big boys next season in the newly formed HAAL. Ever since they left the ACCAL they have been feasting on BSAL teams.
December 20th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
MiraMan,
I think it serves justice for Coach Wade that Dublin finishes ahead of Miramonte. Miramonte bashed and tainted Wade’s reputation after he left simply because you guys cannot have the capacity to respect a man’s decision to be closer to his family. What he did for your program was nothing short of amazing, yet that goes unnoticed. Maybe learn to respect the man that built your team and people will learn to respect your poor playoff performance.
December 20th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
With all the talent that Pittsburg had…they should have done a lot better then they did..The beating they took from DLS on top of their losses should have them down with Monte Vista…Pittsburg was a major dissappointment this year…..
December 20th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
@Pride Baller How long did it take Salesian to score against Valley Christian? No way you beat Encinal. It’s great that Salesian went undefeated, but EVERYBODY knows that this years schedule was WORST than last years. Last two year’s St. Mary’s, SPSV, and last year’s Mack and Middletown were better than any team on your schedule this year!
December 20th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Perkin re: #15, as much as I love what Campo accomplished this year, I dispute that D3 was the hardest bracket. D1 with DLS in it was the hardest bracket and I don’t think there is anyone alive that believes that Campo would have beaten DLS. DLS had to beat Freedom, Pitt & SRV to win it. Not sure Campo could have done that. There is a reason the D1 teams play in a different bracket than the other divisions.
I will say D3 had the most compelling bracket I have seen in years, and although I don’t think BOD quite matches up with the others, the wins over CN & MC were very impressive. Especially with what MC did to Encinal. All eyes were on NCS D3 this year and Campo came through with flying colors.
December 20th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Well JustMaybe, apparently not EVERYBODY feels the same as you regarding Salesian. Including the panel the voted here, the folks who actually saw most or all of the teams play. The toughest game this year was Inderkum, underrated, a good D2 sized school, played even with Salesian except from some critical turnovers that cost them the game. Gets no run since it out of the area but those Sac teams are very good.
You are ademant that the Pride could not beat Encinal but if weak sister Alameda (Calpreps minus 10.6) could take them to the brink….Salesian played 10 games against teams rated higher than Alameda and with the exception of Inderkum it won every single one by four TD’s or more. If Ben & Jimmy & crew put us way below the Jets then fine, but they did not, they clearly felt that the two teams were pretty close.
As for the VC game, I said before that the team was not particularly sharp at all times during the playoffs, played down to the competition a bit, but Valley does have some talent and played a great half before the Pride stuck it to them. Also, for whatever reason, our coach called a game plan that did not play to the team’s strength (run game), decided to do a lot of passing, probably knowing that ultimately VC could not hang.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I exempt DLS from strength of the bracket obviously. Them in it makes it the toughest. I believe there are 4 D3 teams that could & atleast 2 that would have made the Final Four in D-1. Taken the other 3 spots obviously. SRV could have snuck in there but I think that either BOD, CN, MC, & Encinal are the other 3 teams in the Final Four with DLS. Meaning I think these 4 teams are better then every other D-1 team.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I’m sorry I’m missing Campo the best of them all. Make that 5 D3 teams that I think are better then all other D-1′s.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
pride baller
i understand ur trying to stick up for ur team, that is a good program. the problem these other bloggers are having is that lots of salesian supportor do alot of talkin on here and other bloggers are like prove that ur that good, yes yall had a huge line, freddie wasnt the only big lineman, the real problem is ur coach doesnt schedule up in div 1 or 2 in the ncs. dont believe inderkum was that good, ur coach wouldnt schedule a real tough non league yall had the line to do it play with the big boys, maybe if he goes big in non league maybe yall get in2 the state game. really is inderkum ur best win, i can understand why other bloggers feel the way they do, but that is a good program over there
December 20th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
you all enjoy the holidays! I think Perkin has already started dipping into the egg nog though. 5 D3 teams better than any D1 other than DLS. About the funniest thing i have heard on these blogs all year. Nothing in any of their schedules supports this other than encinal playing serra to the wire. encinal also squeeked by alameda the same way serra did to encinal and alameda couldn’t even make a very down D2 playoffs.
i wish we could have a d1 vs d3 football jamboree to bring you all down to earth…i will give you d3 was stronger than d2, but d1 is a whole different level. campo had a great season hats off to them, but they would get pushed around vs the top d1 teams…this isn’t basketball where small schools can easily play with large schools because you only have to fill a 5 man starting lineup.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
BOD handled SL & CV. SL beat B-high. B-High beat Pitt early. Campo beat MC which QB is as good or better then SRV & MV. Encinal took Serra to the wire Serra destroyed MV who went to the Final Four. SRV Real soft D shut down Logan. The comparisons are not far fetched.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Guys….Salesian beat Inderkum 31-21…for a first game in the preseason..thats not too shabby…But look who Inderkum beat down the road…They got Atwater 28-22 and Monterey Trail 17-6, plus they lost only two games…One to Salesian and the other to Folsom….Salesian got a fair shake and if they would have made it to the State playoffs…There’s a very good chance that they might have come home with a win..Next year will not be the same by a long shot as they have to replace a lot of positions….
December 20th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Perkin, that is some of the same exact convoluted reasoning that got SL seeded #3 in the playoffs this year. I sure hope you weren’t on that committee. I don’t think you can just exempt DLS from the bracket. As long as they are still walloping teams in the playoffs, then they count towards the strength of the bracket. Otherwise there would be a lot of other D1 teams like Pitt,Cal & SRV that would have recently won NCS titles. They make the D1 bracket look worse as they gave losses to Pitt, Cal, Freedom, & MV, and 2 to SRV. You gotta look at who these D1 teams are playing week to week and not hand pick a series of games that leads to SL somehow being seeded #3.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Indy beat Tennessee who beat Bufalo who beat KC who beat the Packers. So Indy is stronger than and should be seeded ahead of the Pack in this year’s playoffs. OK, I’m now dipping into some eggnog
. But you can’t just cherry pick a game here and a game there and use that to show a team or entire division is better than another.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Red White And Gaels,
I would love to hear how “Miramonte bashed and tainted Wade’s reputation after he left”. That just strikes me as silly! Some of the kids were quite hurt that he left to go to a conference rival. It certainly served as a motivation to the seniors to beat Dublin this year.
The only “negative” thing I’ve said about the Dublin program and their new coach is that they had great talent coming into this year and that going 6-4 was no great display of coaching ability. Frankly, I think the old coach would have gotten at least 6-4 out of that team. The change of coaches and timing of the change could have had something to do with it. I think next year will tell alot more about the coaching change. This year was sort of a draw, but if you want to make it sound like he’s JC or something, have at it!
Congratulations on a great season and we’ll see you next year.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
PERKIN, I understand what you are saying and I slightly agree with you. You other guys need to think outside of the box and understand that D1 was very down this year and nobody was interested in the bracket.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
No one may have been interested in the 1 bracket, but what else is new? DLS has won it 20 years in a row, so besides the DLS faithful, not many people paid much attention to D1. There was no Cal high from last season to challenge them. D3 was way more captivating and there were 4 teams that seemed to be evenly matched coming into it and something had to give. Great football and theater both.
But that doesn’t mean those teams are each better than every D1 team except DLS. Each of them could hang with D1 teams and be competitive, but to say they are all better than SRV, Pitt, Freedom, Cal, MV, Logan and Berkeley is just not being realistic (I’ll give you SL, CV, Heritage & Antioch). If they think they are, they should start scheduling some of those upper tier D1 teams. They might win a game or two but would be in a different world. Injuries mount up in a hurry. Play DLS while they are at in between some of those other teams it and see if they can hold them to 24 points like Cal did or score 21 on them like MV. D1 may have been down, but there were still some very good teams. Maybe we should have an Open division like CCS does and all these teams can get their shot at DLS?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
1. De La Salle- Always seem to hit stride playoff time. Amazing!
2. Campolindo- Stephans is the real deal. Macy coach of the year!
3. SRV- Kline is the reason they got this high.
4. Encinal- Maybe too high but who’s better? Didn’t show up against Marin
5. Salesian- One of the best Lines in the bay. Wish they competed up a division
6. Pitt- Should be #2. can’t believe that Gali can’t dominate with that talent
7. Logan- Should’ve beat SRV. Thats what happens when you don’t compete till playoffs.
8. Freedom- Best year so far. To bad they were in DLS bracket
9. Concord- Back to back championship games when we thought they were down. Impressive
10. BOD- Best athletes beside Pitt. Nickerson is committing a crime!
11. Cal High- Hope next year they bring back the scrappy side!
12. MV- Im scared to see what they will be next year.
13. Miramonte- Lets see how they do without Anderson.
14. Berkeley- James and Stewart are BEASTS! Will be very very good next year as they get a good JV team coming up
15. EC- Undisciplined team is why they lost to Eureka. Will be scary next year!
December 21st, 2011 at 12:04 am
I hope we get a good turnout for the Sac vs. East Bay All Star game on Friday at Monte Vista. This is a test to see if we have the fans to continue to have it here every other year and if we don’t draw well, it could mean our kids will always have to travel to Sac for the game if it is even still a viable game. I hope we can show that we have a lot of talent here, in all of our divisions, and have a good showing. Sac has a lot more teams to draw from and has some great athletes so it should be a good show.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:51 am
#2 should be SRV. They played better against DLS than than the #1 “ranked” team in California. What a joke. SRV with Kline would win 10 of 10 against Campo, plain and simple, any field and any time.
No disrespect against Campo, but they just do not match up against SRV
See you at MV on the 23rd!!! Be there or we will all have to drive up the 80 every year.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am
The reason I exempt DLS is because they beat everybody soundly anyways. D1, D3, Southern section champions around play-off time. I counted no loss to DLS against any D1 team in considering who was better or who was worse.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:21 am
Having seen SRV play 3 gamees (MV twice), and Campo during their run thru the D3 playoffs Paydirt, I’d say Campo wins 6 out of 10 times vs SRV. Not only would Campo score their customary 40 points against the weak SRV defense, but the Campo secondary would likely be the best SRV would have seen all season. The Campo defense slowed down 4 high flying offenses in their final four playoff games to less than half their average points per game.
Coach Macy knew what he had this year, despite his best attempts to downplay the skill of his personnel. In fact, watching him outcoach his last 3 NCS opponents was a thing to behold.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Voice
Do you really think Campo would be the best secondary SRV has seen? Come on man. Folsom? Cal and DLS don’t count? Campo was great but EBAL plays very good pass D with all those D1 QBs.
Give credit to the undefeated teams. Windsor, Salesian and Campo (before State) took on all comers and never went home sad. Congrats to those teams. The rest of this debate is politics and our opinions of SOS.
@Wolfman….get off Coach Mac until next season man. Your bias towards anything West of the tunnel is showing
December 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Salesian is the Best Team in California. They can beat DLS.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Miraman,
Not saying you have bashed Wade, but maybe you aren’t in touch with what goes on at Miramonte if you haven’t heard any of the Wade bashings. If you were at the Dublin v Miramonte game, maybe you would have heard some of it coming from the players or parents…it was ridiculous. Second, Dublin has had talent the past few years, and the best record the previous coach had was…3-7.
December 21st, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Oh Boy,
45 Interceptions this season by the secondary, think about that; an average of 3 a game. Yes I think Campo’s secondary was certainly among the best in northen California this season, if not the best.
December 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm
campo secondary was the beneficiary of bad QB play
and great coaching by KEVIN MACY AND CREW
THOSE KIDS played above and beyond their means Coach Macy rarely make a mistake and coaches with conviction this is a coach that any young player would love 2 play 4
I WONDER IF HE STILL BETS GASSER AGAINST HIS FIELD GOAL KICK ABILITY
December 21st, 2011 at 4:37 pm
(Responding to #41) Look here Oh Boy know is bias to anything west of the tunnel because one of my favorite teams on that side of the tunnel is Encinal. They are a small school just like Mack but unlike Mack they don’t have a Big Mouth Coach that proclaims himself to be something he’s not. Encinal quietly handles there business & wins game both league & non-league I just want to see Coach Mac upgrade his schedule & beat some real teams & play some real football.. Like I Said Pitt, Freedom or Concord has openings?? Go Pirates
December 21st, 2011 at 5:10 pm
@Pride Baller, I didn’t say you were way below the Encinal. I said Salesian couldn’t beat them. And Jimmy and Ben obviously agree. CONGRATULATIONS SALESIAN! The running game will be the strength again next year. Paige, having played behind Prier and Malic, will be something to watch!
December 21st, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Wolfman,
Not arguing anything else about McClymonds with you, but you do realize that Pitt declined to play Mack again after losing to them. Pitt replaced them on the schedule with Jefferson, which ended up forfeiting and Pitt scrambled to play Castlemont. Can’t dog Mack for not playing a team like Pitt when the option wasn’t available.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Well, I’m having trouble following you, JustMaybe. If Alameda could get withing four points of Encinal, how can you say that Salesian, far superior to Alameda, could not do a lot better than that if they were to play?
You are right, Paige is really good but he’s not going to have Curry, Santos, Tagaloa etc. back to make the big holes.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:28 pm
With all due respect and I’m saying with all due respect, Freddie hasn’t had to block anyone and Chad hasn’t had to out coach anyone. If Encinal could get up for the game, they beat Salesian by a few scores.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Encinal playing Alameda is like fighting your little brother. You do enough to make him rethink his actions, but you dont put him in the hospital.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Salesian should have been ranked # 1. They were the only team to be undefeated. Everyone was to scared to play Salesian in Football. DLS basketball declined to play us in Hoops.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Put Salesian in the EBAL next year and see if they come in 3rd place. No chance. They are an excellent D4 team, but there are no D4 teams to play in the EBAL or BVAL. They have done a great job with the schedule they play.
If they want to play in a state bowl or test themselves against better competition, they should move up to D3 and play some tougher teams in the preseason. Like maybe 3 or 4 of the other teams in the top 15. Scheduling teams like Middletown, Swett & Kennedy of Richmond is not going to help the perception of that team. Their league schedule is bad enough, but Inderkum was really the only tough opponent they played this year until the D4 playoffs.
December 22nd, 2011 at 1:56 am
Salesian Is The Best, You’re a clown! Salesian isn’t that great and everyone knows it. If they were the “number 1″ as you think your coach would compete against better teams instead of playing deaf kids every year. Get lost clown and good luck in the new ACCAL!
December 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Man Down…
No need to comment on Salesian being ranked number 1; that’s just silly – but “Instead of playing deaf kids every year”
Really? This is where you felt the need to take it? Not cool at all.
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am
Campo could play Pitt or Freedom close. They had a hard time with the Frenso team secondary(4 picks) and overall team speed- the Frenso team did not look that good on offense except for the running back. Campo had a great year beating MC and CN, but let’s be real, they are not a top state team.
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 am
In the past, we beat DLS 3 times and one point no one wanted to play the “Super Chiefs”. We recently played Monteverde (Florida)in hoops and barely lost. Salesian is the TOP team in CA in basketball and football. Remember, most of DLS speed is from “Salesian Area” Michael B. and etc. We would be playing our classmates from elementary school.(Alameda v. Encinal)
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 am
what’s the new ACCAL/BSAL looking like?
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Now a private school is lamenting the loss of local “Salesian Area” kids to DLS? Salesian had a great team this year, but let’s leave it at that. Their basketball team is excellent this year and one of the better teams in NorCal, but I wouldn’t bet against DLS if they played.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Prep Fan,
Take the same number of student/athlete from DLS v. Salesian in Football and Basketball. Salesian would beat DLS easily. This small school can play anyone in the country. DLS has 1,000 boys and Salesian total enrollment boys & girls (520).
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Face it. Salesian football plays a soft schedule and until they play “equivalents”, will always be considered third rate. Why not play the same schedule as DLS? Then you can spout your geyser.
December 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I may agree with you there, especially if they had another 500 boys to choose from in basketball, but that doesn’t make Salesian the #1 football team in the East Bay. Even with 1000 more boys to choose from I’d still take DLS in football though. Too many really good football coaches there and with their tradition they will continue to draw “Salesian Area” kids to Winton Drive.
December 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Salesian is best…
You may not realize it, but you are embarrassing yourself and more importantly your school. Supporting your team is great and even a certain amount of blind support is acceptable but at this point you are going beyond the pale.
First of all, the school size argument is specious. Salesian is a D4 school because of their size. No one expects them to compete with larger schools, that’s why they are classified as D4. And while their success at that level is to be commended, the idea of Salesian competing with De La Salle in football is a pipe dream.
And to say that “In the past, we beat DLS 3 times” is more than a little disingenuous; those games took place prior to 1984. Up until 2007, California HS was undefeated against De La Salle. I guess if you really want to brag, let people know that Salesian is the last team to shut out DLS back in 1979. But none of that really means anything when talking about today’s schools.
So bottom line, support your team with pride and heart. But also do so with class and a certain level of intelligence. To do any less only makes you and your team look bad in the long run.
December 22nd, 2011 at 4:11 pm
EPCTHREE,
The truth hurts. Go back to DLS and harp. DLS is not the National Champs. Flat out got beat by Bosco twice and STA. DLS got Nationally embarrassed on TV. Stop picking on Salesian’s and win some games next year. Your the biggest LOSER.
December 22nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm
@Pride Baller, you sound crazy. First, you don’t know if you’re far superior than Alameda. Second, to say that since Alameda came within 4 points, then you would beat Encinal is an even crazier assumption. Salesian has won back to back DIVISION 4 TITLES!! That should be celebrated. They dominated the BFL AGAIN. With Curry, Santos, Tagaloa, it still took you a long time to score to against Valley Christian.
December 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 am
@64…
Speaking of showing no class and making yourself look bad…
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:11 am
If any two areas should be lamenting the loss of kids to DLS it would Pitt/Antioch and Danville. Yes there have been some studs from Richmond such as the late Terrance Kelly and a few others but not as many as those two areas have lost.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
How can a kid be considered property of the public school system when they go to a private elementary school? The excuses just keep rolling in.
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
Junior, he was referring to the loss of “Salesian Area” kids to DLS, two private schools. That had nothing to do with public schools. That’s the first time I have seen that one. No one is saying that kids are the property of public schools but you, as that is the second time you have brought that up. Maybe you saw somthing on another blog somewhere but this was about “Salesian Area” kids.
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
Newman beat De La Salle back in the seventies! Do I get to jump in and say we’re better? We actually played De La Salle close in the Ladouceur era twice as well. Haha. Salesian, as a fan of a similar school (private, Catholic, 650 students) might I recommend the formula that works for unarguably the two BEST DIV programs in the Bay Area, Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic: Play up to DIII like we do. You get better competition, more respect, and if you win out, 2 out of 3 times, a state bowl ticket. Also, schedule upper echelon talent like SJS DII winner Vacaville (Marin Catholic), NCS DII runner-up Concord (Cardinal Newman), CCS DII Winner Saint Ignatius (Marin Catholic), or CCS DIII Winner Palma (Cardinal Newman). Win those games and you have quite a lot of respect. I think for you guys a preseason schedule of Sacred Heart-Cathedral, Windsor, and Christian Brothers would give you enough challenge. Anyways, follow this and success can be yours. Cardinal Newman has only been to state twice and won 11 NCS championships. I think we know a thing or two about having success as a small Catholic school. You’ll never win an argument that you’re better than De La Salle in the Ladouceur era, but being damn good in your own right is something to be proud of.
December 23rd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
prep-my response was to Ren10′s comment not salesians. and yes, I know Ren10 is a DLS guy.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:21 pm
junior, not saying they are the “property” of those schools, but that had they gone the public route they would have gone to those schools. and it was in response to the salesian guys response that they have lost all these players to DLS.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Salesian Football and Basketball(Girls and Boys) Rules!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
There are at least 2 very good DLS players from San Ramon on this year’s team, Houston & Hooper. While we are proud of their accomplishments, as they have played youth sports in our area and are friends with our kids, we don’t feel they are the property of the local public schools. Sure it would be nice to have both of them on the football team, just as it would be nice to have some of the basketball or baseball athletes who have chosen to specialize in a different sport, but we do just fine with the kids in our local area who want to play football here.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
I disappointed!!! A LOST is a LOST… Mack schedule may not of being “strong,” but not being worthy of a ranking? Why even give them votes? Also Mack played with a roster of predominantly underclassmen(5 freshman, 6 sophomores). If really sad for the kids @ Mack that there is teams with 3,4,5 losses ranked ahead of them. I guess we know how Boise feels? I really disappointed!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Houston played youth sports in livermore (cyo) and pleasanton (pjfl). He did not reside in san ramon until hs
December 24th, 2011 at 12:37 am
Despite having lived in other cities from Livermore to Dublin, he is still friends with some of the public school kids in San Ramon. He also played some little league in addition to cyo and pjfl. But we don’t think he is the property of any one city and has the ability to go to the school of his choice, just as he isn’t the property of Cal-Berkeley or Stanford just because he lives out here, and can decide to go to Wisconsin if that is the best fit for him. To each his own.
December 24th, 2011 at 1:43 am
How can DLS score 23 points and win? I’m confused, thought it was girl’s basketball, until I remembered DLS is all boys….
December 24th, 2011 at 2:57 am
supposedly hawaii has not shot clock for high school basketball…
December 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
East Bay Allstars 12-9 over Sac. Great job players and coaches! Drew from Livermore is a Stud. He can play any position he wants!
December 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Merry Christmas to the DLSers bloggers and everyone else too. Houston , Teo and Vitale sure had a lot of firepower down the streach. If there good little boys Santa’s going to give them some touchdowns!
December 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
affirmative Yo Mama!
December 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
To Salesian fans, De La Salle not afraid to play anybody. Win or loose, they will play a national schedule team. Salesian has never played a national team nor a highly state ranked team. Shag beat DLS in the early ’80′s- congrats- St. Mary’s beat Salesian 4 straight years from ’68-’71 for McManus trophy and CAL championships. Here’s the scoop- the best teams the other CAL schools have fielded would take an embrassing loss to the DLS streak teams and beyond- the WCAL powers bellarmine, serra, mitty, st. francis st.ignauis, etc. best years would also loose to the DLS teams- individual talent won’t factor in.
One more thing, Salesian fans, the best Salesian team in the school’s history with Stan Brown in ’66 lost to SM 31-28- that team was 9-1. SM was 7-2 and tied bellarmine and riordan for the wcal championship. Stan’s team would have lost to DLS teams, including the others mentioned. How do I know, saw it, played it and it’s hard to admit that someone is better than you- but that’s the scoop- better coaching, blocking and tackling from DLS over the last 25 yrs.
Sorry if you don’t agree- talk to coaches and former coaches, you’re running into a buzz-saw when you play the Spartans.
December 24th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I played against one of the Jackomeli bros from Salesians that kid was a beast..Shag knew how to coach some football that’s for sure..happy holidays ma fellow bloggers!
December 24th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
DLS is overated. Houston, Te’O, Vitale all sucked!!! Houston would have been a backup to Zach. I’m glad all them DLA Suckers acknowledged Salesian is the Best Program in the USA.
December 24th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Tough to claim being the best team in the country when you refuse to play even midlevel teams in your metropolitan area. Now we’re just being silly.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Some weird posts on here lately. Someone posted as me at 1:43 a.m. saying they thought DLS had a girls basketball team? I know Carondelet has a pretty good team and they scored 30 points in the 1st quarter the other night so there should be no confusing the two programs. DLS scoring 23 points or holding their opponents to 19 is par for the course and to be expected, whether or not there is a shot clock. If someone wants to use multiple sign ins for whatever reason, that is fine, but don’t get on here posing as another poster. The posts saying that DLS sucks or that Salesian is beter than DLS are just noise.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
bottom line- or should I say bootom of the barrell.
Vatilie 13 tds. in playoffs, Houston 3 state titles in a row, etc. etc. Your offensive lineman would have had to play defense at DeLa. too slow, can’t block in the veer.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Silvergreen- Giacomelli Bros. did you guys beat them?
We beat all the teams they were on. Shag lost 2 CAL championships to us, he used to coach at SMCHS.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Patrick, your a joke and very silly! Salesian does have solid Programs. Your right DLS is not the best team in the country.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Zach who? Houston a backup? let’s see- 13 sacks in 2 meetings, several picks- looked like a normal HS QB in those 2 games- got stats against reserves- Salesian bottom line-sure you ever left Richmond to see a game?
December 24th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
@Big Joe, Houston would have been a bench warmer @ SRV. So those accomplishments are meaningless.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
3 state titles aren’t meaningless.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
SRV was destroyed by a combined score of 91-16 in 2 meetings.
Houston was a major part of that, especially the first meeting- the best QB on the field.
Kline another ebal gunslinger who never beat De La Salle.
Kline’s height and weight will not help him in the Pac-12.
He also needs to cut his hair- a typical Blackhawk pampered Momma’s boy- like you. The ex-ballplayers in the stands watching both games all agree- strong arm, that’s it, not a leader on the field- bye the way, weak ass offensive line for that passing system.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@ Big Dog, Joe and Joke–Who was POY? Houston or Zach Kline. Here’s a clue: Player of the Year! Kline is better QB than Bart whether or not he’s from San Ramon Area.
December 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Yo,
No, we got worked, i went to Richmond High and we sucked…Played against one of the Farr brothers from Kennedy High, he went on to play UW and the NFL I believe..that was a long time ago yo mama!
December 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
on the 1st day of xmas DeLa gave to me a ebal title
on the 2nd day of xmas DeLa gave to me a playoff win
on the 3rd day of xmas DeLa gave to me Vatalie 178 yds
on the 4th day of xmas DeLa gave to me 2nd playoff win
on the 5th day of xmas DeLa gave to me Houston 3 tds
on the 6th day of xmas DeLa gave to me NCS # 20 in row
on the 7th day of xmas DeLa gave to me Vatalie’s 6 tds
on the 8th day of xmas DeLa gave to me 6 straight games
on the 9th day of Xmas DeLa gave to me 35-00 champions
on the 10th day of xmas DeLa gave to me # 1 in state
on the 11th day of xmas DeLa gave to me # 3 nationally
on the 12th day of xmas DeLa gave to me a Spartan in a pear tree!
Merry Christmas!
December 24th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
On 1st Day Game got whupped by a STA.
On the Last Day: Was Not the National Champs. So be quiet! Happy New Years!
December 24th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
nice jingle mama
December 25th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
You guys are brainwashed dumb ass MFs
December 25th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Kool aide is free here. Kessler is correct.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Kessler has no huevos.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
#94 Big Joe – Kline grows his hair long for a reason. When he cuts his hair, it is goes towards making a wig to be given to cancer patients. One of the many non-football reasons he was selected Gatorade Player of the Year.
December 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Voice, OK I apoligize. That’s a very nice gesture on the young man’s part.
December 26th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Koolaid was free in Jonestown too- that doesn’t mean ya drink it. Who is falcon fan – a bvaler or Freedom?
December 26th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
to yo daddy- never heard from you all year- STA took another loss lost 2 finished out of the top 20 nationally- if they played again a much closer game- 3rd nationally isn’t too bad- if you do your himework son, there has not been another eastbay team in the last 50 years who has been ranked that high nationally- De La has been ranked nationally at least a dozen times- USA Today- remember- na- your too young and dumb.
December 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
DLS Lost plain and simple!!
December 27th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
We lost to STA, so what? DLS’ goal every year is to win a state title. Mission accomplished. The kids went out as winners. They improved immensely from the first game of the season and people stepped up as leaders. All part of the big picture there. The mythical national championships are only icing on the cake if the team wins it, but are not the ultimate goal.
December 27th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Don’t read anything into it R10. DLS had another great season. Everyone knows they are a great program and tops in the state again this year. By the same token, I wish people would get off Kessler’s case and the comments he made about SRV not being on the same playing field as DLS. It’s certainly not the first time that topic has come up. Many people have gome back & forth on that in the past on here (and many many threads have been filled with it) and although DLS backers don’t like to hear it, ripping into Kessler isn’t going to change that sentiment and may just serve to perpetuate it or get people to root against them. Just enjoy the fruits of another fine season and ignore the comments from the Yo Daddy types.
Congrats again to DLS on a 3rd consecutive state championship.
December 27th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Prep, definitely not reading too much it into it, it’s the usual anti-DLS hate that appears on this board at the end of the year. Just wanted to lcarify for that poster that he was a little misguided about what DLS’ ultimate goals are.
In regards to Kessler’s comments, you know I have always acknowledged the boundary advantage of DLS. Do I think some people play it up too much, yes. But it is there. However, I think his comments were pretty classless. I remember a lot of people harped on Bart for his comments after the first SRV game. Whether or not it’s true, Kessler should know better than to say that to the paper imo, especially as a coach and model for the young men on his team. As a head coach he’s only faced DLS four times over three seasons. What about the longtime coaches who you never hear say anything remotely close to that? They might all be thinking it, but by saying it out loud they are admitting that they are going into the game thinking they have no chance to win. Coach B would never say something like that to the Grizz and he’s been a part of the DLS program as a player. Just my opinion on the matter.
December 27th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Continuing with that thought about Cal, the reason why they will always scare me as a local opponent for DLS is the never quit attitude that was highlighted in their first meeting last year. DLS played a superb first half of football. And Cal didn’t quit. Most teams would have just gone, “here we go again”, and resigned themselves to the fact that it was over. But Cal took DLS’ best shot and then came back out and dished one of their own. That’s the attitude a coach needs to have and demonstrate to his players.
December 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
R10 is right- how can a player believe he can defeat DLS if the head guy does not? I’ll bet Billecci and Sweeney dont talk like that.
The Kessler thing will die as soon as posters stop bringing it up (see #101). It is our duty to set the record straight on the haters.
December 27th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I do not recall seeing SRV quit in a football game this year, including the “game of the year” win at “never quit” CAL. Someone is connecting dots that do not exist.
Cheers to a great 2012!
December 27th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Paydirt, not saying SRV did quit, but it’s hard to follow a coach who clearly doesn’t believe his team can win no matter who the opponent is. If a coach is saying what Kessler did, you have to wonder what must be going through the mind of his players.
December 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Coach Kessler was way out of bounds to make the statement he made; perhaps it was in the heat of the moment. Nevertheless, 20 consecutive NCS D1 championships can certainly make you feel that way.
As much as I admire what Coach Eidson & Ladouceur have created, how should the rest of the D1 programs in NCS feel about their chances in representing their community at a State Bowl Game?
I went down to Carson to watch Campolindo play and we stayed in the same hotel as many of the De La Salle families. As you can imagine, all the Campo dads at the bar were still pinching themselves they were even here. It was a special year and my son will remember that weekend the rest of his life.
For the DLS dads, it was more like business as usual. 6 straight appearances with no end in sight. Don’t get me wrong, all the DLS dads were great – bought many rounds for us Campo dads! It just struck me as how different the feeling was for us to be there, knowing it may never happen again.
Renegades10, I am glad to hear at least you acknowledge “the boundary advantage” De La Salle enjoys. Many of your brethren can’t even make that concession.
I know quite a few football families in Danville, many resigned to the fact they will never get a chance to travel to Carson to see their team play for a State Championship. They very much look forward to their games with De La Salle, knowing what a victory over their program would mean. None of their kids are quitters. But they all acknowledged, to a man, they felt the same way Coach Kessler felt; they just wished Kessler hadn’t voiced it publicly.
For the record, I know a few current De La Salle football families as well. They do represent their school with pride and class and no one is a bigger fan than I am when they play any out of the area teams.
Finally, there are some truly wonderful coaches in the EBAL and Division 1 in general. Coach Bergman at Monte Vista is one of the best, in my opinion. As good as his teams have been over the years, they still suffer through the cycle of good years and bad years, as all public schools do. As good as he is, and I have no doubt he is as passionate about teaching football to his kids as Coach Ladouceur is, I just don’t think he will ever have the horses De La Salle does, year in and year out, to get to a State Bowl Game. Though you will never hear Coach Bergman say what Coach Kessler said, I can’t help but wonder if he doesn’t feel the same way privately. More to the point, I wonder if Monte Vista, San Ramon Valley, or any other EBAL school will ever experience what Campolindo and the Moraga community did down in Carson a few weeks ago.
December 29th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Just Glad Washington-Union ended the fairytale so we dont have to hear how that school was picked last in its conference but a good season never the less
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 am
I’ve watched Salesian the last four years. Yep, they’ve dominated NCS D4. Having said that, any one of the 6-15 ranked East Bay teams would beat Salesian.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Great post #115 red&blue! And what a great experience for you this year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Campo can join the ebal, drop DLS, make them independent. Campo finishes behind SRV and Monte Vista even during the cinderalla story book year.
The ebal QB’s carve the campo defense, the only thing is the ebal has no defense, so it’s going to be a high scoring gaem. As far as DeLa mand Campo go, that game is 56-00, no problem.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
A couple things:
I was reading up on St Thomas Aquinas and saw they lost 3 games! That area must be a crazy tough football area.
Both Vitale and Tautalatasi from DLS have very close family ties to Encinal. Too bad The Jets didn’t have those two on campus! They did great with who they had this year….but WOW, that would be great to have those two.
Salesian had a great year, but I don’t think they could have lasted with Encinal. The Jets have played a bunch of schools with big lines and they didn’t have that many issues.
Finally, I haven’t seen much HS football out of the area, but how does everybody think Encinal would have faired the last 3 years if they went to DII? I know they wouldn’t, because Tenorio yearly looks for higher challenges, not for easier routes, but I was just wondering?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Salesian will BEAT everyone in CA including DLS.
June 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am
so i went to laney passing league tourney and SL looks really good but the problem is can they beat Encinal, BOD they cant beat BOD OD is too good and encinal just to fast to strong encinal will have the line this year they still got #77 aaron v’ee and #50 alex penrose but 1 thing wrong with encinal they got no quarter back i saw them at the passing league tourney its just there quarterback but i think encinal can suprise the whole bay area this year. GO Pirates
June 13th, 2012 at 9:33 am
so i went to laney passing league tourney and SL looks really good but the problem is can they beat Encinal, BOD they cant beat BOD OD is too good and encinal just to fast to strong encinal will have the line like last year they still got #77 aaron v’ee and #50 #58 #76 but 1 thing wrong with encinal they got no quarter back i saw them at the passing league tourney its just there quarterback but i think encinal can suprise the whole bay area this year. SL is going to be good but 1 question is stevie ready to play quarterback this year?
June 13th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Like DRob16 said – if encinal had vitale and tautalatasi o man encinal woulda been #2 in the bay area i rpomice you that .
June 13th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@ Dumptruck,
Woulda coulda shoulda…..If Pittsburg had all Pittsburg kids, this coming season they would have Dante Mayes, Darrel Daniels, and Michael Hutchinson to name just a few.
Who cares. You play with the kids you have, not the kids you wished you had.
June 13th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Vitale is from Fairfield- don’t think it made sense to go to Encinal regardless of family ties. I believe Tat is also from the North Bay. DeLa has had numerous kids from the North Bay over the years- straight shot to Concord the back way. CHS also gets North Bay kids.
June 13th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Look Encinal don’t need vitale he’s leaving next year anyways and Encinal should be Happy they got a Tautalatasi on there team .