Comments on: CIF approves open division basketball, new transfer rules

By: hoops

hoops — Tue, 15 May 2012 18:16:05 +0000

It sure seems like the higher up you go up the food chain….schools in wealthy communities,the more the parents are a pain in the @$$.Good luck to Jones,he did a good job at CV.

By: Prep Fan

Prep Fan — Sat, 12 May 2012 20:05:42 +0000

Jones may be leaving more raw talent at CV, but MV alwas has some good athletes and the parents have the money to send the kids to all kinds of camps and have personal trainers, etc. So there are some positives aside from gettinng back to his roots. I know there were some CV parents who made life pretty tough on the coaching staff as well, but the meddling of MV parents can be off the hook. Jones had some real good teams at CV, and it remains to be seen if he can improve upon that at MV. I have to think he’ll be successful at MV, but maybe not win as many games as he would have every year at CV. He paid his dues at CV, and I’m sure learned a lot over the past 5 years. He was lucky enough to be in a position to be able to choose between the 2 schools.

By: Gdog

Gdog — Sat, 12 May 2012 00:48:00 +0000

How about Coach Jones to MV? Not sure he won’t be questioning himself over that move. Will be dealing with much less athletically gifted players plus the parents at MV (PrepFan can attest to this point). I know he is an alum and might have better facilities but not sure if that is a move up. Powers won 2 section titles competing against DLS, Newark, etc and that was not good enough for those people. I know Coach Powers made his own decision to leave but I don’t think he had to think long to get out of there. Certainly a good hire for the school will be interesting to see how it works out. CV had a very young team coming back and was well stocked for the next two years with talented players.

By: concrete17

concrete17 — Wed, 09 May 2012 22:22:03 +0000

@#7 Big Mike…..great post, spot on. The worry use to be that club teams would replace high school teams in some sports. Looks more like “If you can beat ‘em then join ‘em”. With this rule some high schools sports programs will become defacto club programs with academics taking the back seat. Guess we’ll see in the next few years.

By: hoops

hoops — Wed, 09 May 2012 21:50:44 +0000

The transfer rule change is pathetic.I can honestly see studs transferring for the second half of the season like an NBA mid season trade.Bad idea and there is going to be some serious repurcussions with this.Just watch and see.There are too many AAU scumbags controlling these kids and their parents.Loyalty and education do not matter.These guys have already told the great freshman at O’Dowd to transfer to an easier school because he does not need a high quality education because he will be playing in the NBA.These guys should be banned from civilized society.

By: hoops

hoops — Wed, 09 May 2012 21:41:16 +0000

I really like Gdog’s idea to have the 4 state champs play each other.The only negative to me is 3 state champs will end the year with a loss.He is also correct about the depth of good teams in so cal so the open will hurt nor cal a little but when it comes down to it it is more meaningful to Salesian to beat DLS than to beat a so cal team.It would be to me.Anyway a 4 team playoff at the end would truly create an overall state champion and would be very interesting as well while increasing the season for only 4 schools.NEVER happen though.

By: bigmike

bigmike — Wed, 09 May 2012 17:19:09 +0000

I have a problem. Not with the bracket, honestly I could care less. I have a problem with the “relaxed” transfer rule. To say a student athlete only has to sit out for one month before they can play is, in essence, saying, “go to any school you want in order to play sports, but we don’t care about the education you receive.” What ever happened to the term STUDENT-athlete? It seems high school sports is taking its cue from college sports, where classes and education comes second to practice and games and championships. I was always taught sports in high school was a privilege you EARNED because of your hard work in the classroom.

Plus to give a weak excuse like “lessoning legal fees” as an argument for the change is ridiculous. It’s simple…you transfer without a valid reason, you don’t play that year. If you allow players toplay after sitting out one month, you are going to have coaches hold roster spots open for those transfer students, which takes spots away from the students have been invested in their school and their sports program from the beginning. High school sports should not be about championships, it should be about learning and growing as an individual and developing an honor code about integrity and fair play. With this rule change the CIF is teaching our students winning on the court is more important than winning in the classroom and in life.

By: Jimmy Durkin

Jimmy Durkin — Sat, 05 May 2012 03:46:35 +0000

The likelihood of St. Joe’s being selected, at least based on recent history, is slim. Part of the criteria they will look at is strength of schedule and St. Joe’s doesn’t play a major schedule. It’s specifically noted that they are looking at teams schedule to see if they are playing a national or regional type schedule. Meaning, they are looking at teams that are out playing top competition. St. Joe’s doesn’t necessarily do that. They schedule a few tough nonleague games, but not many. Also, since only four teams from one section may get selected, St. Joe’s — at least this year — would not have gone ahead of DLS, Salesian, Newark and O’Dowd.

By: Gdog

Gdog — Sat, 05 May 2012 02:16:40 +0000

First off the teams will not play each other in the regular season. So the DLS v Mitty, Mitty v Salesian, Salesian v Sheldon, match-ups will be played less. If you doubt it just look at how often the top teams in each division play each other in the regular season. Not often and it will be even less. Look in the South. Mater Dei never plays Poly, Loyola, etc in the regular season. Now you won’t play any of them because you will not know who will be selected for the “Open”. I don’t mind the idea of having just 1 single division, then do away with all the other “State Championship” games. Or have a TOC after the 5 Champs are crowned and have them play off.

By: Prep Fan

Prep Fan — Sat, 05 May 2012 01:16:32 +0000

I guess I’m just not that concerned about the North winning a bunch of state championships. We have too many divisions as it is. Don’t get me wrong, I always root for the North, but I’m just a fan of good basketball and this sets up some dream matchups.