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Live blog tonight: De La Salle vs. James Logan for NCS Div. I title, 7 p.m.
By Jon Becker
Saturday, December 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm in Uncategorized.
Join our live blog during Saturday’s North Coast Section Division I championship between top-ranked De La Salle High and James Logan.
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December 1st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Is there another website that is broadcasting the game. PlayOnSports.com soes not seem to be showing it as usual? I am out of state so I can’t watch on CSNCA…
December 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
i was hoping logan will make it competitive, but i guess they were not who we thought they were. that is the difference with a scrimmage and a real game.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
If u have DirecTV the game is on csnca ch 698
December 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Let’s go LOGAN…. make it a game.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Can’t NCS find better Zebras for a game of this nature? 15 penalties in the 1st half. They’re either control freaks or want to be pictured on TV or both. It’s raining!
December 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Damn 37-7? Logan about to get rolling clocked… Colts were a good team. Just like every other 2nd place NCS team in Division 1 for 21 years…
December 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
chalk- I kinow u know FB and I know yur little puppie dog knows it too! DeLa 44-07 with another 2 tyds left on the field. Forget the speed and whatever with LogaN AND OTHERS, jESUS, BLOCKIONG AND TACKLING is the real meal deal. And bye the way, that means kickin’ Texas ass high school too.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
DLS has no borders can get best athletes in the bay, public schools cant. Not sharing the wealth
December 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
well logan got their wish and played dls, but couldn’t pull it off. every team has plan until they start playing. i had hopes for logan. now all the speculation is answered. there isn’t any team in the eastbay ready for dls. lesson to be learned… a scrimmage game is not the same as real game. dls is whole different team in the regular season, and even more dangerous in the playoffs.
it was a nice run by logan. great job this season. good luck next year.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
next week…
logan vs oakland raiders
December 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
DLS 2nd and 3rd team putting up points!
December 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
the stats are going to show some Logan yds- lousy yards- Protho great kid but no better than Dennis Dixon in high school- he had a real rough game. As far as # 42 running back, 2 good runs, nothing other than that, very well contained over all. He’ll have better luck at Northwestern like a lot of seniors who have faced DeLaSalle in their last high school game. I am walkin’ the dogs down to Union City to take a piss.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
The DLS/Logan game was a crime…as good as Logan was…look what happened…..California came close but that was it….No playoff game should end up with a score of 52-7….BUT look what took place in Pinole…Marin Catholic escaped a last second surge by El Cerrito who refused to loose…31-28…Both teams lines beat each other up and both teams had more then their share of Penalities.
The MC QB ran too many keepers, but at the same time..one of them was a long TD run…There should have been more spreading of the ball handling to keep El Cerrito’s defense honest.
In the early going…MC blew a FG attempt on a bad center, but recovered and scored the first TD…It was a wild game of a seesaw battle that had a standing only crowd on hand with lite rain the whole game…
Marin Catholic…..07…07…07…10…31
El Cerrito……..07…07…07…07…28
December 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Dls game was streamed on watchespn.com
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Finally, has all the trash talking stopped?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Long is the real deal, you could see what happened when he got a little bit of space. 6 turnovers though is never going to get you a win against DLS. Prothro is an outstanding athlete but you can’t look a receiver down all the way. DLS secondary read his eyes all night. That pick 6 was the end. I’ll admit DLS’ first drive had me concerned. Penalties galore and Logan came ready to play. But after that Williams got in a rhythm and if DLS gets the passing game going it’s going to be a long night no matter who they play.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 am
Vitale is the real meal deal, hard nose running, doesnt quit, great north to south runner.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
For any team to loose 52-07 in rain that should be an equalizer for underdogs it was nothing short of a complete domination. Do you realize DLS left 2 tds on the field? TWO! score could have been 66-07. Last time they played it was 68-00.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
First of all, hats off to DLS. They are the better team hands down. Great season for the Colts. They proved everyone wrong this season and have no reason to hang their heads. Logan was hanging in there until the turnovers. Also couple of head scratching calls like the fake punt in the 1st quarter. Why DLS even a chance in your own end of the field? Didnt matter though. Long had a great night running the ball. He’s the real deal & was the BEST running back on the field (yeah I did just say that). But congrats to DLS. Good luck @ regionals.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
Here’s my take for the CIF Championship Regionals
North
Open: De La Salle(13-0)NCS D1 vs. Folsom(14-0)SJS D2. Both teams being undefeated speaks for itself.
D1: Granite Bay(11-3)SJS D1 vs. St. Ignatius(10-3)CCs Open. There’e nobody else elgible.
D2: Clayton Valley(12-1)(NCS D1 vs. Oakdale(13-1)SJS D3. I doubt if there’s any disagreement with CV. Way up North, there’s a case for Enterprise, the NS D1 Champ, but the Hornets lost to NS D2 runnerup West Valley 21-24, Paradise 41-42 OT (who was handled by Grant 7-28, Red Bluff 12-34, and Chico 35-36 OT), and NS D2 Champ Sutter 27-34 in the regular season. They only beat Paradise in an OT for the NS D1 Championship. The CCS Champs had either too weak of a season or lost too many games.
D3: Marin Catholic(13-1)NCS D3 vs. Sutter(13-0)NS D2. MC is rated and ranked one of the best overall teams in NorCal. There’s no one elgible from SJS (it would be a shame for the North to bump Central Catholic up to D3). Sutter had a great season and NS should not be left out of the picture. Again, the CCS Champs don’t cut it.
D4: Central Catholic(12-2)SJS D4 vs. McClymonds(8-3)OS. Although I have a lot of respect for the McClymonds program and really wish them well, I think Ferndale(12-1) is the better team.
South
Open: Narbonne(14-0)LACS D1 vs. Centennial of Corona(13-1)SS D2. Narbonne beat Long Beach Poly(Pac 5 Champ) 56-0, Mater Dei(Pac 5 Runnerup)18-17, Serra (Western Champ) 22-9, Palos Verdes(Northern Champ) 41-0 in regular season. Centennial’s only loss was to Pac 5 Semifinalist St. Bonaventure 35-40 at Ventura in their 1st game.
D1: Long Beach Poly(11-3)SS D1 vs. Clovis North(12-1)CS D1. The only other elgible team is Eastlake of SDS D1 at 10-3 with no really impressive wins. Also, it’s fair to say SDS D2 was a tougher playoff division.
D2: Serra of Gardena(12-2)SS D4 vs. Oceanside(12-1)SDS D2. This is the most difficult Cal Bowl division to get a birth (11 elgible teams). Most would agree the above two and Edison(Huntington Beach) stand out above the other 8. Serra played and beat the strongest teams, theit 2 losses were to Narbonne and Chaminade who they later beat for the Western Championship. Oceanside played in a tougher league and playoff than Edison. Also, SS will probably “over promote” Serra (Cause the Cavaliers have 2 losses) and SS won’t have “that much left” for Edison. A “deal” could be made for Edison, though.
D3: Madison(12-1)SDS D4 vs. Wasco(13-0)CS D4. Madison’s only loss was to Valhalla 28-32 who only lost to Oceanside 28-31 in the DSD D2 semis. The Warhawks beat SDS D3 Champ 20-7 and the tough Western League which is made of higher division schools. Wasco is undefeated but has not played any noteworthy teams, however their closest regular season game was 56-28 against Arvin. Personally, I feel Nordhoff(13-1)SS D10 is a stronger team. (See CalHi Sports, Dec. 2, “CIF Championship D3 South Week 15 Rankings” for my comments under Rono1932.)
D4: Rio Hondo Prep(12-1)SS D13 vs. Santa Fe Christian(10-3)SDS D5. There’s really no one else elgible except possibly CS D6 Champ Mendota(9-3). However, I believe their enrollment is between 500-600. The rules, though allow for a “ringer” if there are less than 3 elgible teams (This happened in 2010 with The Bishop’s School). I can’t see the commissioners picking Mendota over the two I named, though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Schoolmarm, you are well schooled. Christian Bros. education? cause I’m drinkin’ their VSOP as we put up the tree.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Congrats to DLS they. they are the best. I am proud of the Logan young men grest season. Once again congrats to DLS, and good luck representing NCS the rest of the way. Love ya Colts.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Don’t think Mac will get the nod over Ferndale. Their only win against a team with more then 8 wins is Oak Tech twice. They played the right schedule but couldn’t get it done against Oak Grove & BOD. Beat one I think they get the nod.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
De La Salle won their 21st consecutive NCS D1 Championship last night in the pouring rain. What they are doing is akin to shooting fish in a barrel; 20 fish to be exact, one each for all the D1 public schools in NCS.
In what was clearly not one of their top teams in recent memory, they ran roughshod over anyone who stood in their way. But as we are led to believe, over and over again, it’s not because they have talented players that walk through the door from all points in the east and north bay; these are ordinary players who have been coached to play this way and would be lesser players in any other system.
Though the weather kept me from attending the game, it was worth it to see Ladouceur’s answer to the question posed to him at halftime by Dan Diblee “What about all those penalties in the first half”, alluding to the 7 or so illegal procedure calls; classic! Lad stared at Diblee and was sincerely miffed as to why the refeeres were calling that penalty over and over. Priceless!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Voice, time to sign off for the year. The refs should have let the kids play – way too many penalties. Time for you to crawl into your cocune.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@Perkin #23
I doubt if McClymonds being picked over Ferndale (which at this writing has already happened) was solely based on who was the best team.
There’s been some history between the 2 schools which I had better be very careful as to what is said.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I was at the game, and I noticed there was a sound technician picking up sound on the field from the Logan sideline. I’m watching the replay and you can hear a lot of George zuber’s calls. Calling out packages, adjustments etc. Kind of something that I don’t like at this moment
Anyways, the biggest difference maker in this game was the size of each team’s linemen. This game was mostly won in the trenches, even though DLS’ scoring came by way of passing in the first half. DLS lineman did not allow almost any penetration, especially on passing situations. As for Logan, prothro almost had someone in his face on many passing plays. Everyone talked about Logan’s speed and athleticism, bring that against DLS and you’re most likely evenly matched up when it comes to skill players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
MACK will always get a D4 nod coming out the OAL with 8 or more wins. Ive known this for years
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Mack is a better football team than Ferndale. On the field.
On a side note, the 2010 undefeated McClymond’s team that was edged out by National Player of the Year Dano Grave’s Folsom team for D2 State, would’ve competed very well and possibly brought home the title as well.
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Congrats to Campolindo Girls Volleyball- you continue to overcome those aweful disadvantages you face and yet, you win so often. I am happy to see you refuse to become a victim and instead work hard and get the job done. Bravo. May you be a example for the wimps.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Facade that is Logan in code. Please note the emphasis on the Fa.. The Spartans are like any good army..should I say armored div…keep them feed, fueled and well oiled they will roll on and roll over you
Clayton Valley kept the swelling down..code for big heads…Stayed on focus to the task at hand.
Well done
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Junior,
Time and again you continue to make my argument for me… and you just don’t get it! The Campo girls volleyball, just like Miramonte water polo, are teams you can absolutely feel good rooting for, for the simple reason the ENTIRE team comes from the school district in which they reside, something De La Salle will never, ever be able to say!
So when public school teams like Campo football & volleyball succeed at the state level, there is a genuine feeling of excitement and accomplishment, because the student athletes, for the most part, grew up together to achieve their goal; again, something De La Salle football will never know anything about.
The only disadvantages the Lamorinda schools have, like all public schools, is the structural advantages private schools like DLS enjoy over them with their open enrollment policies.
I guarantee the Campo volleyball team did not take one second for granted at the state championship match yesterday. DLS football families simply renew their hotel reservations for the following year
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
While they atr down at Carson.
By the way, the team Campo played in the championship match yesterday? Cathedral Catholic, a team making their 5th consecutive appearance in the finals. In 2010, Campo beat them. They are the DLS of volleyball in San Diego county.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
VOR-AKA ” Victim Of Roman catholic HS football teams at the D1 level in NCS”.. I am not going to let you bring down great programs like Campo girls volleyball and victimize them as you have done with the football teams.
The Campo squad deserves to be used as an example of overcoming the near impossible odds of defeating those “advantaged” schools. Public schools unite-ignore the victim crybabies and follow the Campo example.
Hey did anybody happen to notice something fascinating happening in east bay football: Clayton Valley is likely the best D2 team in Nor Cal. How did CV rise to excellence? Only one thing changed: the head coach. Great job Eagles, you managed to overcome those “advantaged” schools and excel.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Voice of BS=-Miramonte had half their swim team come from the Pinole Seals in the late ’90′s. Miramonte had black kids come in from Vallejo and Fairfield for football in the ’90′s. Guess what, dont have a problem with that. MV has had QB Wright come from Napa and others from outside their school district.
You need to get yur ignorant ass off the blog.
You never coached or played any sports worth mentioning, you dont have a clue as usual- junior, me and a lot others are finished with you.
You pretend to know Lad and Edison, you couldn’t even qualify to pass out towels in the girls locker room honey.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Clayton Valley is now Clayton Valley Charter, and while not Catholic the are certainly not a “public” school. So 2 things changed they converted so they had more money and less rules and brought in a great coach.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
CV charges tuition? Where did all this “money” appear from? What exactly did this money buy? All it takes is to become a charter school and immediately you win football games?
Man this football stuff is easy. All you have to do is build a private school or go charter and wham…. Section championships start happening.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
24.Voice of Reason Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
“………Though the weather kept me from attending the game,………..”
Priceless is right……Are you one of those SoCal apologist/posters in disguise that love to pull out the “weather card” ? or just coincidence ?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
Concrete, I live in Walnut Creek and have been posting for some time now. The game was on TV so I stayed at home to watch the game.
Yomama, I only know about the Water Polo team which is all from Orinda. Also let’s not forget how Miramonte pulled in many student athletes from Richmond to play football. Or how about Guillon from Chico, whose family moved across the street from Miramonte to play QB for the Mats. You will find I only refer to teams I know come from their own district. I have never met Coach Ladouceur and have never claimed to do so. I have coached before and I am sure that more people on this blog identify with me more than the likes of you, Junior, Concrete17, and others of your ilk. The frustration you feel is because I speak the truth and you just can’t stand anyone who dares to tell the truth about how DLS has been able to do what they have done the past 21 years and beyond.
The sense of entitlement you have regarding DLS football and their all consuming dominance over all public schools in northern California is myopic. DLS belongs in the WCAL or a reconstructed CAL (which Terry Eidson & I played in during the 70′s at Moreau) or better yet, separate the public school playoffs from the private schools as is done in many states. God forbid you could ever admit the structural advantage that DLS enjoys to the detriment of every public school in NCS D1. Instead, you lament the lack of suitable competition in northern California.
We all hope that Folsom gives the Spartans a game next weekend, just like we all thought Logan might be able to give them a game. If Folsom isn’t able to measure up, as I suspect will be the case, I’m sure we’ll hear yet another round of “Well, Coach Lad and his staff are just so far ahead of any other program in Norcal.” However, and I am pretty certain about this, people like me who have no affiliation or allegiance to DLS but respect what Coach Lad has done the past 33 years and acknowledge the greatness that is DLS football, know the truth; the playing field is anything but level.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am
DLS fans, of course you have an advantage. How many other teams have four or five D1 players on the defensive side of the ball? DLS is a very disciplined program (except for the fact that just about every snap is a “rolling start.” Lad just shocked that the refs actually called it this game). DLS’ roster by far have the most collegiate then any other school in the area. On top of that they are deeper then any school in the area. Yes the kids are in shape etc, but it is easy to look good when you are beating the public schools with that schools’ best player.
And CV being a charter will help. But D2 football is the least competitive by a longshot of the top 3 divisions.
As for private school dominance, 8 of the 10 teams at the state v-ball finals were private.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Voice of Reason Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
“Concrete, I live in Walnut Creek and have been posting for some time now. The game was on TV so I stayed at home to watch the game.”
Just dogging you my friend…..but I did get Mrs concrete to sit through the whole game with me Saturday night. Know your posts well, don’t often agree but do appreciate & respect your POV.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
2011 (class of 2012) SRV had as many D1 athletes as 2011 DLS.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Junior,
One class is not the discussion and D1 players only is not the discussion. DLS, top to bottom, year in and year out, has more college players then any other program at all levels. Add up the number of college players on the varsity team, whether or not seniors, and DLS will have more then any other school.
So, yes what DLS gets as far as commitment from kids to workout, etc is impressive, they are also doing it with elite players.
I think that the 21 consecutive titles and that ridiculous margin of victory is evidence enough of a competitive advantage. Come up with another excuse about how the playing field is level, but THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Just curious, but does the rule book actually state that the lineman have to be set for at least a second? I thought the rule just stated that the lineman had to come to a set position and made no mention of time length.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Stuck in Spokane,
All 11 offensive players have to come to a set position for a “count.” I don’t believe there a specific time but the idea is for a second to second and a half. Then one player, who is not lined up on the line of scrimmage, can go in motion, which must be backward or lateral. For a player on the line of scrimmage to go in motion they must move back off the ball, be set for a “count” then go in motion.
The way the DLS lineman go is they get into a two point stance, throw their hands down to a three point stance and the ball is then immediately snapped. To avoid a penalty all 11 players must reset for a “count” before the ball is snapped or another player goes in motion.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
So there is no such thing as the 1 second rule. A “count” could be anything.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
voice of reason – there is no frustration on DeLa bloggers. The frustration is with the bloggers who dont and cant beat DLS. LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@ #44 Stuck in Spokane….agree about the length of time.
As I understand the rule it says “players must come to a set position before the ball is hiked”. I see no mention of time measurement for the length of time. But then I’m the last rule expert you want to take to court to testify on your behalf. If anyne can find the rule I will be the first to stand corrected. There must be some high school refs who follow this blog.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Junior,
How many private schools did Clayton Valley Charter play this season? How many private schools are in NCS D2? The answer of course is the same for both, none. So there were no “advantaged” schools to overcome. Your argument comes up short yet again.
I will at least be honest and state I don’t know the differences between the Charter school they are now and the public school they were prior to this year.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me regarding the differences between CVC 2102 & CV public 2011.
Finally Junior, your lame attempts at equating what public schools Miramonte (in Water Polo) and Campolindo (volleyball & football) have been able to accomplish at the state level, drawing student athletes from their own geographical district, and trying to somehow make the case any of the NCS D1 public schools should be able to do the same thing in football is laughable.
I submit to you and everyone else on these blogs that there have been many NCS D1 public school football teams who have put together State Bowl Game worthy, highly competitive teams with top notch coaches, the 2012 Logan team, the 2011 SRV team and the 2010 Cal High team, to name the most recent, only to go down in flames to DLS; 21 in a row and 28 of 31. The only logical answer as to why, of course, is the structural advantage they enjoy as to open enrollment.
My question to you is this, what would you rather have, a public school like Folsom defeat De La Salle next weekend, so that you can then shoot a hole through my theory on the public vs private issue in northern California; or see DLS romp over Folsom and then claim that Folsom (or insert any other public school here over the last 21 years) could have won if:
a) they just had a coaching staff who is as passionate, skilled and driven as the DLS coaching staff
b) if the Folsom players could have only harnessed the enigma that is the “brotherhood” that has enabled DLS to win 235 consecutive games against obviously inferior northern California competition
c) if only the Folsom team could practice like DLS practices
d) if only the Folsom football players knew how to lift weights and train like they do at DLS, etc.
Or how about my answer – De La Salle is like a college team in that their players are a defacto all star team walking through the door at Winton Drive before they ever have their first practice, before they even know what the “brotherhood” is, before they lift their first weight, having more depth at every position than any other public school team could ever hope to have.
All those great public school teams over the past 21 years likely had all the same qualities listed above as De La Salle, or very nearly so; they just didn’t have the horses that DLS had, that’s all.
So quit insulting us all with your lame attempts at justifying why DLS has been the King of the Hill for 2+ decades and counting, no right thinking person buys it anymore. By all means enjoy their success, DLS is a great school, their academics are among the best schools in the county, public or private; just call it for what it is…….DLS football has a great thing going, 21 years and counting in northern California, and the NCS has been complicit in how they structured the system at the D1 level to ensure that none of the other 20 public school teams will ever have a REALISTIC chance at playing in State Bowl Game, much less a northern California Regional game.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
DLS wins because they have EVERYTHING needed to become a dynasty.Check them off.1.Excellent coaching and the same head coaches for many years,2.Excellent talent and no enrollment limitations 3.An administration who allows them to practice year round 4.Disciplined kids who buy into the philosophy and are willing to put in the time year round.5.An established situation where great players want to go.6.A team environment and chemistry that cannot be duplicated because it is created by their coach.
Do not underestimate the hours that the players put in over the course of a year because it is the deciding factor in their success and their basketball teams success.Putting in more hours does not guarantee success but when you add that in to all the other factors you have 21 straight NCS titles.
Football is more a game of precise team execution than basketball where one great player can go off and score 35 points and beat you.They just execute their stuff so well because of all the factors put togetherand that is why they are great.
I honestly do not believe a public school could ever duplicate over time what DLS has done.
December 4th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
The freshman that enter DLS are very similar to other freshmen. They develop small, slow and scared kids into machines. They learn to hit, block and tackle. They are coached. They follow a mission statement.
Bye the time they are juniors and seniors they are calculated machines who understand the game close to a college level.
December 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Just like all schools, there are some small, slow and scared kids that come out for football. But luckily for DLS, they also seem to get a whole lot of talented D1 athletes with lightening speed or big mature kids like Hooper or Wynn that have played football their whole lives and hit the ground running the day they set foot onto Winton. Must be nice. But the DLS coaching does do an excellent job of getting both the small scared kids as well as all the Hoopers and Wynns to play at their best. Can’t argue that. Good luck on Saturday in Sacto.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
The small, slow, scared kids don’t end up playing at De La Salle; at least not on varsity. I have taken the liberty of borrowing the post of one of the most passionate DLS bloggers on NorCal Preps (DLSPOP1314) who states in his post today that DLS has TEN D1 athletes currently starting on varsity:
1. Hutchings (LB/ sr) — verbal to USC
2. Egu (DE/ sr) — verbal to Cal
3. Hooper (DE/ sr) — Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame, Washington among top choices
4. Moffitt (LB/ sr) — Arizona and Colorado among top choices
5. Tualautausi (LB-SS/ jr) — I think this kid will be a 4* player next year. DLS has several 2-way guys, but none stay on the field as often as Daz and Daz is only the 3rd or 4th guy ever at DLS to start both ways 1st game of sophomore year (DJ Williams was another)
6. Sumner Houston (DT/ jr) — Will be a 3-year starter on DL and 2-year on OL. At 6’3″, 245# (and growing), he has the size and athleticism (state ranked wrestler after one year’s experience and brother is a Big 10 QB) to be highly regarded at next level.
7. Kevin Griffin (CB/ jr) — I think he’ll get at least FCS D1 offers next year, if not higher.
8. Cameron Lissarague (LB/ soph) — He’s a starting ILB on maybe the best defense in the country as a sophomore. He’s on track.
9. Xavier Banks (DT/ sr) — I mentioned on another thread I thought Wade Ogburn (OT/sr) might be the strongest kid on the team. I forgot about Banks. I think he’s playing his way to a D1 opportunity this year. He’s been very good this year.
10. Andrew Buckley (FS/ sr.) — I’m stretching a little. He’s already signed a D1 baseball scholly to Cal, but if he didn’t, I think he’d be a candidate on the gridiron.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Victim of Roman Catholic HS football: we know your formula for Spartan football success-99% open enrollment.
Yet, your formula doesn’t apply a mere 90 miles away. Formula denied.
What’s funnier, is your response to CV success. You immediately are looking for an “unfair” advantage! That says it all.
Watch the Green Machine Saturday, DVR, rinse and repeat. You might learn something.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
If talent was the only (or top) predictor of success, the OAL would kick everyone’s behind.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Pitt and Logan both had more speed than the Green Machine. football is the ultimate team game. Don’t watch the ball Saturday-focus on the LOS. You might learn something.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
My post #50 got no comments but it is very obvious it is the reason for DLS winning.It is funny how once a coach is deified at any level the teams no longer have great talent.I have the utmost respect for coach Lad but the reality is if he was coaching at Ygnacio Valley next door for the same amount of years what do you think his record would be.It would be excellent,no doubt.Probably 5 or so NCS championships and no state titles.Probably around 100 losses.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I agree on Ladoceur coaching at YV. Murphy was there for a couple of months & left for a reason. Probably #50 reason’s 2-6. I think he’s found it at CV charter.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Hey Junior… why is DLS’s frosh team always so good?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
You missed Vitale- your take on him? And yes, DLS gets their fair share of freshman that dont go on. However, when you make varsity , Lad doesnt cut.
The no cut policy keeps these guys hungry and anticpated playing time. DLS does a good job getting 2nd and third teams in games with significant time.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Observer, here is my formula that dictates HS football success:
1. Leadership
2. Coaching
3. Strength/conditioning
4. Talent
5. Tradition
In order of importance.
#1 and #2 predict 75% of success
DLS frosh have succeeded for many of the reasons the varsity and JV’s have. Interestingly enough, DLS Frosh typically lose a game or two (to EBAL schools usually). Why don’t those EBAL schools win when they reach varsity? Lad and crew are a notch above the lower level coaches.
DLS excels at #1-3. There are no peers in CA in that area. DLS is nationally elite due to #4.
#1-3 can be duplicated at other schools. It ain’t easy, but it can be done. Look what Murphy did in one year. Without an offseason either. Sanchez took Cal from the cellar to the top of one of the best leagues in CA. Who heard of Folsom before Richardson took over. Etc, etc
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Chalk- yur take on the Logan game. No HUSH Puppies please. That’s for Friday nite team dinner. Hope yur rootin’ for the NCS champion this weekend.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Junior, you are blinded by your denial of the most basic of truths regarding the success of DLS football. I have no argument whatsoever of your formula for HS football success, ONCE THE STUDENT ATHLETES HAVE WALKED THRU THE DOOR!
Yet the open enrollment policy is not even addressed in your post. Laughable…Ridiculous…100% pure denial!
By inference you are stating Coach Lad and his staff could walk into any public high school and dupllicate what they have accomplished at DLS, including the win streak, the consecutive NCS championships, the State Bowl games; all of it.
Just for kicks Junior, how many of the 10 student athletes I mention above would be in a hypothetical DLS district boundary (approx. 50,000 population)? The answer as we all know may very well be ZERO. More denial eh Junior?
The cold, hard truth is obvious to all of us who don’t invoke Bob Ladauceur and his coaching methods as the reason for all they have accomplished the past 21 years. Would Coach Lad win with a public school team? Absolutely! Would Coach Lad win an NCS championship with a public school team? Certainly! Would Coach Lad win a SBG with a public school team? Yes. Would a Coach Lad team win consecutive NCS championships? Two or three, perhaps; more than three (21!), not on your life! Win 151 in a row? Never in a million years…….Unless, of course, you have an established program at a private school that draws the top student athletes from a population base of 1.5 million people, courtesy of open enrollment. Yes, Junior, DLS doesn’t get those 10 D1 athletes mentioned in my earlie post, nor do they win 151 in a row or 21 consecutive NCS championships without the open enrollment policy they enjoy. But keep going with the denial, it suits you very well.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Victim Of Roman catholic HS football: read my formula again. Slowly. Digest it. Rinse. Repeat.
VOR Formula for success:
99% open enrollment
1% secret sauce
Slight problem with VOR formula- why doesn’t an open enrollment school dominate SJS or central section? After all, 99% is related to open enrollment (his words and formula).
VOR formula denied, rejected, and refuted.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Interesting read:
http://cifss.org/admin/images/news_file/1354649032_Commissioners%20Message%204%20December%202012.pdf
December 5th, 2012 at 8:02 am
I just have one question here; if you are a top flight football prospect, will DLS provide scholarship assistance if needed? Where I come from (Tennessee) all of the large private christian schools will pay your tuition and I was wondering if the same goes here. No axes to grind, just an honest question.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Mudhen, the answer is no. Take a look at the Lasallian mission. John Baptist de La Salle sought to educate the poor. DLS has money available for the purpose of educating kids that cannot afford an education. They come from all walks of life and most of the tuition assistand from DLS goes to kids not playing a sport. God Bless them for their work.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am
My son played football at DLS. He didn’t play a down of football in his life before DLS. He never saw the inside of a weight room. When he was finished with the program he could leg press close to a 1,000 pounds and bench over 250.
I submit that none of the public high schools in this area put in the level of work that DLS football puts in. DLS kids are just flat out stronger and better conditioned than the teams they play. Combine that with the veer, HOURS of track work, film, chapel and all the other work and they are just unbeatable.
The assertion that somehow open territories makes a difference presupposes that kids can self select talent at 14 years old. Right. I understand a 14 year old can think he’s great and will play football at DLS. But it ain’t up to them. A lot of kids thought that and sat on the bench or quit. Many kids that didn’t play a down went on to greatness. You see, it’s what DLS DOES with kids that makes them great.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Mudhen, the answer in no. DLS has financial assistance for anyone who qualifies, if you happen to play football and need financial aid and qualify, you get it.
Bart Houston was an all American pre-season and he did not receive money.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Junior
How many private schools does DLS have to compete with for the athletes they get? I dont care how many games DLS wins. I am happy for them and Ladecour is a class act. He would be the first one to tell you how much he respects some of the public school coaches that he competes against. If your own coach can respect the plight of the public schools,why cant you? Its a perfect storm, they really have no private school competion for the athletes they get. They are located perfectly in Contra costa county where they get a great balance of athletes. Here is a great example, Pleasanton lost arguably their best 8th grader to DLS this season, He would have started both ways on a Foothill Freshman team that went 9-1 with their only loss to the DLS freshman. This kid didnt even start on DLS’s freshman. Enough already about the level playing field. When the best kid in Pleasnton goes to DLS and doesnt start, can you really argue that they dont get the cream of the crop every year. Can you really explain that they have not lost to anyone in a gazillon years just because its better coaching. If the talent level was not lopsided they would have lost at least 10 times over that period. its football, upsets happen no matter the coaching advantages. If the talent level is compreable. then losses happen, the ball bounces the wrong way, turnovers hapen. Heck DLS has had many games where they turned it over multile times yet they still win that game against any of the publics around here because they are so much better athletically. The only times they have lost was in fact when the talent level was compreable. But unfortunately, the only schools that have been been able to matcth their talent level have been from out of the area. I mean i can play my 10 year old son in one on one everyday and he will never win no matter how much he works out or practices. No one has ever argued that Lad isnt a great coach, what they have accomplished isnt amazing. Just asking you to admit once that its not a level playing field. Not even close!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
A coach can only do so much and once you are competing against other quality coaches,the advantage is minimal.DLS has everything from great coaching to great talent and I think the team unity that Lad is able to create is the secret sauce and the tipping point that makes them able to win 21 straight and avoid a couple upset losses.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am
#67 Big Joe
Not entirely true, you can work in one the offered school programs at DLS as a student athletle or student, and have part of your admission fees waived. SO there is no scholarship offered but admission fees can be reduced for hardhsips or work assignments.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Just like the old tale says”it takes gold to make gold”, winning begets winning.DLS has all of the pieces in place for a dynasty and there is no reason for it to stop.It’s simple really, if you think you’re hot stuff as a player,you go where you can maybe get your chance to shine, and around here, it’s DLS.
But they’re not invincible (they do lose sometimes)and sooner or later, some local team will win against them.
And thanks Big Joe, question answered.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Bart Houston was a San Ramon High kid by the way. He should have attended San Ramon where his dad attended and grandfather coached a while back. His dad was a councilman, very successful, no need for assistance, he could afford the admission.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Did Bart’s father play college football locally?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
BigJoe, I’m sure you know Bart’s father played QB for St. Mary’s College after SRV. His mother attended Carondelet though and that may be one of the reasons they chose to send him to a Catholic school. Catholic school + Football school = DLS. Money not an issue. No brainer for the Houston boys.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Great post by Really #74.That is the one often overlooked element in DLS’s success.Location.No other Catholic schools in the area.
When all is said and done it comes down to talent.The coach can make the most of the talent given him but you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip.
You cannot explain NEVER losing a local game but geting soundly beaten by out of state teams with great talent and coaches any other way.No matter how much you want to believe.Lad has run the most successful program in bay Area history in any sport,but they can still get their butts kicked by the out of state teams.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I forgot to add to my post….You cannot have it both ways.If DLS loses to the out of state teams because they have better talent,then it is crazy to say DLS wins every game here and does not have great talent.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Having 10 potential D1 student athletes on one team runs contrary to one of the basic tenets of DLS supporters. They would rather have you believe DLS is the only program that can mentally & physically shape their football players into D1 football players. No question they have the best system in place for turning otherwise average football players into productive ones.
To hear Junior tell it, none of the current 10 D1 prospects mentioned in post #53 would be D1 material in ANY OTHER PROGRAM but DLS.
Regarding his assertion that “why doesn’t an open enrollment school dominate SJS or Central section”? I have answered that question time and again, but Junior keeps asking the question because he just can’t stomach the truth even as I praise DLS in doing so.
The easiest way to answer that question is to say if Coach Lad and his Staff were at Jesuit, Christian Brothers or St. Francis and had developed the football program as they have at DLS, then prospective student athletes would flock to those schools as they have DLS. Even so, I don’t know if any of the 3 school mentioned has access to a population of over 1.5 million people within a 45 minute drive of the school as DLS has. And, of course, those 3 schools likely compete for student athletes today whereas DLS has no other D1 private school competition.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Where I have said that Victim? Show me one time. One post. Anywhere.
If open enrollment gets you talent and talent wins games (99% of success according to you) Jesuit and Christian brothers would be winning-regardless of the coach. That is your formula. If talent won games, OAL schools would whip EBAL schools. That’s your formula. Talent, talent, talent. There are examples all around proving that is not the case.
DLS had open enrollment in the 70′s… not one winning season. Your formula is plain wrong.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
DeLaSalle changed administration, admission standards, and coaches all at the same time and bingo success.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
In the 70s, very few people went to DLS who weren’t Catholics, and no one went there to play sports. It just wasn’t done in this area back then. Nowadays, people are converting, holding kids back and getting their kids into Catholic feeder schools early on to up their chances to play football for the Spartans. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone say that DLS didn’t have some of the best coaching in the country. There are many reasons for the Spartans’ continued dominance over area public schools, working hard and great coaching is just part of the equation.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Private schools DLS competes with:
Berean
Moraeu
Valley Christian
Athenian
Bently
ST Marys
Odowd
Not to mention all public schools are competition. Serious competition: no tuition, no entrance exam, no commute, peer familiarity.
Post 70-I do respect the public coaches, no posts where I don’t. They are not as good as Lad.
Public school “plight”? Are you serious? Tell me the “plight” the HS’s on 680 have. Yea, They have it really tough. Plight needs to be used for the OAL schools, not the EBAL. Speaking of that, who has suggestions to help “level the playing field” for the inner city schools? Were is the outcry?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
All this DeLa talk on this thread and no one seems to be talking about Lad leaving. He’s quoted in The CC Times and Chronicle. What do you DeLa fans think is going to happen there without him? Assistants taking over or going with him to another program? Is it the end of an era there?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Which post referenced public school “plight”?
When did Athenian and Bently establish football programs?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
@#85. They don’t have football. Just like DLS did not have football. Great thing is, as Victim points out- open enrollment is 99% of HS football success, so once Bently flips the switch… Boom, section championships will start falling.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Prep fan is correct in stating admission standards morphed from admitting only the most academically talented Catholics (and some spots to the poor a la LS principles) to selectively allowing in some pedigreed athletes, bumping some very faithful servants. Mckenzie’s son won’t get in to counter this not-so-equitable recent history.
Speaking of D1 recruits, Kline versus Goff with the Dykes spread coming to Memorial Stadium; _____ (feel free to fill in any UC Berkeley AD poor taste reference.)
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Junior….I do not believe anyone has said Lad and his staff are not great.The reality in any sport is it takes talent to win championships and exceptional talent to win 21 in a row.My post #50 I believe is pretty spot on why DLS has done what it has done.
I coached for 27 years and I will tell you that a coach makes a difference in winning and losing.I will also tell you that when you are coaching against another coach who is sound and very competent in their approach,the difference is marginal depending on a lot of factors like how players and systems match up.
An average competent coach with great talent will beat a great coach with average talent.A great coach with great talent might just win 21 section titles in a row.
When DLS has lost to out of state teams or almost lost a couple games here to some WCAL schools,those were all well coached teams with equal or better talent than DLS.
Lad has entered the mythological zone where people think he has mystical powers to take someone with no athletic ability and make him into a stud.
Location location location.DLS has a unique location and lots of 14 year olds dreaming to play football there and a lot of parents who want to be winners.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
OK IM SICK OF IT
HOW ABOUT TEACHING SOMETHING DIFFERENT
UR ALL TEACHING THE SAME FUNDAMENTALS
AND TECHNIQUES and DLS is better at teaching it
Better at programming a machine
THIS IS A CASE OF IF U CANT BEAT THEM DONT JOIN THEM TRY SOMETHING NEW
Try teaching a kid how 2 actually make a play
How 2 improvise 4 EVER MOVE THERE IS A COUNTER MOVE
so stop with the lap dancing!!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Chalktalk, you know so much. Why aren’t you coaching in the nfl? Why don’t we know your name? How many offers do you have to coach? I’ll tell you who you really are. You are some high school bench warmer who didn’t make it and blamed your high school coach for all of your shortcomings. I wish you would have opened your mouth at the game and made yourself known. I would have loved to have shook your hand & then teach you some fundamentals. I’ll be at Friday’s in Union City tonight watching the Raider game. Come down and pay a visit.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
chalk talk….Actually the reality is everyone does not teach the same thing.Fundamentals and the way they are taught are going to be different from every program.Fundamentals are actually very difficult to teach and along with attention to detail make or break a team.DLS has great players who excel at both.Besides teaching well it helps if you practice more and have many more repetitions than most teams which is a key ingredient in the secret sauce for DLS.
It is amazing what the average parent thinks their level of knowledge is and what it really is.I have known and worked with a lot of excellent coaches and the common thread is attention to detail and discipline.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Hoops- were are probably not very far apart. It is a matter of degree. I believe the lower the level, coaching dictates winning more so than talent. It is like a scale- better coachng in HS offsets less talent i have never said talent is not important in HS-never i just dont believe it dictates winning as much as in higher levels of football. Both are important at every level, just to a different degree.
look the a key to DLS ‘ s dominace: LOS play. Spartans rarely have D1 talent on the LOS and yet they dominate on both sides of the ball. Often replacing 4/5′s of the o line. This year is unusual, but typically DLS has small lines too. Technique, strength, and conditioning can help a HS lineman dominate players 50 or 60 pounds heavier. That’s coaching. The open enrollment crowd can scream all they want, but the type of DLS lineman that Develops into a great lineman, enter the other schools every year. DLS builds them much better than anyone else. what was the difference in the Pitt and Logan games? Both of those teams had plenty of athletes (as many as DLS and they both actually had more team speed) and yet they could not control the LOS. Pitt did great for a half. Then got tired. What happened in the second half? Same players, same scheme (mostly).
We agree, and I have posted before ( in this thread in fact), that to be elite you need talent. I am on record and have been several times that DLS would not be elite without a certain amount of talent. That being said, they beat teams with more talent more frequently than any team I have seen. On paper, 2008 DLS should have been destroyed by CC. If you were at the game, you could not help but shake your head at the difference in athleticism between the two schools. but again, DLS did a fantastic job on the LOS and the kids play 4 quarters like no other team. They lost obviously but they should not have been in that game to the extent they were based on talent They just don’t quit.
I have not said people don’t respect Lad.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 am
logan fan
im PERFECT between the lines
i teach kids how to be perfect
HOW TO COUNTER EVERY MOVE
y was BRUCE LEE THE BEST
BECAUSE OF HIS STYLE
u thimk organized movements makes u good but it really make u common average mediocore
IF U R A FOLLOWER U CANT LEAD
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Hoops
lets take the concept 4 points of pressure
THE CONCEPT IS ON HOW NOT TO FUMBLE THE BALL —GREAT–
but not fumbling the ball doesn’t make u run faster
doesn’t make u more elusive
doesn’t make u balanced
may prevent u from protecting yourself
u cant switch hands
causes u to take more blows
NO GREAT RUNNER WOULD EVER USE 4 POINTS OF PRESSURE
unless ur just a power back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Candy, Did you take the DLS entrance exam? Have your kids taken it? Relatives taken it? No rumors or others- personal experiences. I suggest it’s a lot more to get into DLS than x’s and O’s. Are you the expert?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Is Mckenzie’s son playing at DLS next season? I haven’t heard anything recently. Not coming from a Catholic school currently, it would seem to be nearly impossible if you take into account the DLS entrance requirements you read about on these blogs. If so, he can join Larry Allen’s son in the trenches. 2 skinny, slow scared kids that will be molded into greatness. If not, they should still be able to find enough guys to field a competitive team.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Junior…I agree the lower the level the more influence a coach has.
I believe that there s probably is not a coach in the country who could have matched what DLS has done over the many years.That being said,the one thing that bugs me about DLS is the time that is demanded and all the rules that are rationalized away.
The last year I coached hoops I was told by my AD that I was not allowed to have any contact with my players until baseball season was over.In open gym,in the times they were permitted, I was not allowed to work with more than one player at a time.
I would love to see how different DLS’s football and basketball teams would execute under those conditions.If I tried in anyway to discourage a student from playing another sport because it interfered with hoops because of seasons overlapping,I would be in serious trouble.Try even missing a summer league basketball game at DLS because you want to play Legion baseball….it will not happen.
That is my one and only knock on DLS.They have always demanded so much time and obliterated any concept of NCS rules regarding practice,even if by some technicality they can rationalize getting around the rules.I ,of course am very familiar with the hoops side,and I am speculating about the football side.I do know that god could not get a team to execute like DLS football does putting in only the hours allowed by historical NCS rules.Although I do know that football is allowed spring practice and maybe that does provide enough time but I doubt it.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Prep, all the other stuff aside, McKenzie Sr. has been seen at several DLS home games this year so I’m assuming yes it’s still the plan that he is applying to DLS.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
@ #98 Renegades10….Work at the DLS games and had a chance to have a short conversation with Mr McKenzie at the Monte Vista game. When asked about his son’s intentions his response was that he would love to have his family together here and said it would depend on how the test went(he did not elaborate). One interesting note about Mr McKenzie was that he got pretty emotional about the game….said some of the most special memories for him was when he, himself played high school football.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Wow just when I thought it was safe to read the blogs again! chalk are you a coach or personal trainer? Would love to see your program. One side note, Bruce Lee was the best what ? Actor, dancer,or teacher or fighter, please clairify. Good luck to DLS tonight.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Somehow I think that young Mckenzie will pass the entrance exam…..he’s probably smart as heck anyway.
Btw there is also anther Mckenzie that is 12. He is a great athlete who just so happens to be about 6’0″ 230 as a 12…..really don’t think he’ll be enrolling at Alameda, do you?
December 9th, 2012 at 10:10 am
DLS destoys Folsom.It seems I have seen this exact game about 50 times over the years minus all the penalties which were unlike DLS.I watched the game from a different viewpoint this time and it was clear to me that DLS was quicker,stronger,faster and looked far superior physically and talent wise.This was definitely not a case of a team overcoming superior physicality and talent but the opposite.Great win and every time I see that record 397-25 I can hardly believe it.Amazing.Lad has more NCS titles than losses!It appears to me that their QB, running backs and receivers are a notch below their normthis year.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
colt fan
ill start training in JAN..
ILL LET U KNOW THE TIME AND PLACE