- East Bay Prep Corner
San Lorenzo hires new football coach
By Phil Jensen
Friday, February 15th, 2013 at 5:56 pm in Uncategorized.
Football
Hiring: San Lorenzo announced that John Trotman Jr. has been hired as its new head football coach. Trotman replaces Jacob Wright, who is stepping down to spend more time with his family.
Trotman was Albany’s head football coach the past two seasons, when Albany had a 4-16 overall record. He said that he made the switch to San Lorenzo for family reasons.
“My home, my church, everything is in San Leandro,” said Trotman, who is a 1993 San Leandro graduate. “It literally takes me eight minutes to get to San Lorenzo from my house. It’s like home.
“I think there are a lot of athletes in that area and at the school,” Trotman said about San Lorenzo. “I just feel like there is no reason why something special can’t happen there.”
Trotman, an off-campus coach, was the offensive coordinator at San Leandro from 2004-2010 and the head junior varsity coach for the Pirates from 2002-2004.
Wright was San Lorenzo’s coach for eight seasons and had an overall record of 22-57-1. He said that he is still teaching physical education at San Lorenzo.
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February 16th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
I’m sure Wright is a great guy, but it was probably time for San Lorenzo to make this move. Good luck to Trotman Jr. in trying to turn the program around.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:29 am
If I ever covered a SLZ game, it was clear that Coach Wright was passionate about the game and the young men he coached. I wish you well Coach, you will be missed.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
This sounds pretty bad but there weren’t any other candidates? Why jump the gun with coach Trot he hasn’t done a great job at Albany.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Cutting Wright loose was a step in the right direction. We can’t do nothing but get better.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Perkin, I heard that they took a look at some coaches in the OAL (mainly Oakland Tech and Oakland High), but I would give Trotman a chacne to prove himself before despite his record at Albany.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Well wait it out. If they didn’t get the candidates they want then keep tghe job open. There is no rush right now. Maybe push the panic button if Spring Ball is in 3 weeks. Call some of the better programs & ask the Head Coach for some top assistants to interview.
Anybody is improvement from Wright. Just showing a sign of life at Albany isn’t asking much. Some improvement playing in the B league is fair. The O at SL was pretty bad Coach Trot’s last 3-4 years.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
I am curious who the guys were from tech and O high that Applied!! Thats would be a shocker. Especially if they were assistants.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
I hope the administration didn’t involve coach Wright in the hiring process. Choosing a 4-16 coach over the other candidates means either one the other applicants were just bad or two Wright was on the interview panel or three both.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
coaches from the OAL? They interviewed them? you got to be kidding.
February 21st, 2013 at 1:45 am
I heard that James Barnes (JB) former Arroyo Head Coach is heading back to the OAL and taking over Skyline Titans!
February 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Makes snese. Coach Barnes has had a lot of success in the OAL. Tough league but he has the right kind of personality to succeed. Hadn’t heard that the Skyline was looking for a coach…
February 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Coach Barnes is the new Skyline coach!
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Good luck to Coach Trotman! He will have chance to turn things around.
I wonder who Albany will hire to replace him.
WACC Overview
1)Piedmont and Arroyo have new coaches
2)Tennyson and Mt. Eden graduated a lot of players(Perenon looking for another job, as well)
3) Alameda will be tough! The JV team was really good, they lost a lot of games that they should have won(Encinal,Piedmont, Mt. Eden) and they have some key returners.
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Good Luck to JB!
February 23rd, 2013 at 8:52 am
How do u know perenon is lookin for another job?
February 23rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I believe Perenon interviewed with Piedmont and another few open spots. I hope he sticks around, he has turned Mt. Eden around.
February 23rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Would be bad for Mt. Eden
Piedmont pays a ~$5,100 stipend .. cant really blame him lol
February 23rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Get out of here with that. Perenon is not interviewing at other schools. He don’t want to build all over again . And we almost won league last year.
February 23rd, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Perenon is not looking for another job, Ron Thompson departed last season giving Paul his own program once again. His is doing great things at Mt. Eden.
February 23rd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Wow!! Just heard Ec football has confirmed a game against Cardinal Newman on the road and Sutter High(ranked #1 team in northern section) any thoughts on their chances against these powerhouse programs
February 23rd, 2013 at 9:05 pm
New coach at Piedmont is Scott Coats the DC from Logan.
February 24th, 2013 at 9:06 am
1)No disrespect to Perenon, but there has been talk about him leaving. Great coaches will always be the first to be mentioned, when any job comes open. He has done a great job at Mt. Eden, and I think they can win the WACC next year, if he stays.
2) I’m glad EC scheduled Cardinal Newman. Coach Kahn is preparing his team to win state. A lot of guys are returning, and DJ Calhoun is a BEAST!!
3)Coach Coats has an uphill battle. Piedmont is a great job, but the politics from administration, parents, and kids leaving country for summer always makes it hard. There will be a lot to deal with. Not sure why Coach Kev left, he was turning things around.
February 24th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
WACC Fan:
I heard they’re trying to get a new coach at Alameda. Or new coordinators at least. Any news from that end? Also, if those JV players were so good, why werent they on Var? Sounds like a rebuilding year on that side of town to me.
February 24th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
I haven’t heard anything about Alameda looking for another coach. If so that would be 4 new coaches in the WACC.
I believe Alameda’s JV team was 9-1, with mostly freshman. I’m thinking the coach probably kept the team together since they were playing well together.
February 24th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
@WACC Fan and others:
As most of you know I am a big “fan” of Coach Perenon. My son played for him at BOD in the late ’90s/early 2000′s. I speak with Paul every couple of months or so.
I do not believe that he has interviewed with any other school for an open job. He constantly speaks to me about being content at Mt Eden, really enjoying the tasks involved in making Mt Eden competitive again; feels really good about his players and tackling the challenges that they bring his way. As at BOD, he really enjoys connecting with the players and assisting them in “growing up” through their sport. I know from talking with him that he feels really good about how far the ME program has come, yet he also knows that there is still a long way to go in developing consistency from year to year. He has put together a solid coaching staff at both the varsity and JV level; hiring Coach Davies was a huge accomplisment for him and for ME. Paul is always praising the administration, especially the assistant principals and the athletic director, whenever we speak. He knows how important and necessary it is to have quality people in those key positions. He is really fond of Mr. Manzo (the athletic director), often telling me that how competent Manzo is and how Paul marvels what Manzo can accomplish while still teaching a full class load every day.
While Coach P is very content at ME, it still would not surprise me if a school with an opening for a head coach would not pursue him. IMO: Berkeley HS missed the opportunity to get him in 2010. Imagine how scary the Yellowjackets would be now, entering a fourth season with Coach P and the staff he had ready to bring three years ago. I saw what he and his staff at BOD did in the late ’90′s with “Berkeley-type” athletes. BHS would be a top 10 state team. And, maybe the DLS win streak against NorCal teams would be a thing of the past.
February 25th, 2013 at 8:43 am
@ TJ
“Piedmont pays a ~$5,100 stipend .. cant really blame him lol”
Makes sense to me. More money to do the same job.
February 25th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Hey does anyone know whats happening with Mack? I hear they may have a coaching change for football!!
February 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
a LB THAT RAN A 4.8
WAS UP 4 THE HEISMAN
THE GUY CANT PLAY BUT I BET HE WOULD BE A STUD AT DLS LMAO
February 25th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Yes, I heard Mack is going through transition like a lot of other schools. Fremont is looking for new coach, Mack is looking for new coach, Skyline just hired JB. I would imagine that all the good players from Mack would transfer to the other OAL schools, after the coach has left. Looks like Skyline and Tech will be the top teams in OAL.
February 25th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Does anybody know why Mack is looking for a new coach? Did McCalley move on?
February 25th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Yes, I believe McCalley is no longer with Mack. He will probably surface with another OAL team.
February 25th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Well what happened? He just went to the regionals & has been doing a pretty good job at Mack.
February 25th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
The McClymonds opening was reported some time back on one of the football sites. I never saw anything else on the local boards so I figured it was a misreport.
http://www.footballscoop.com/high-school-scoop/8432-thursday-december-20-2012
McClymonds (CA): The head coaching job is open.
February 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Berkeley definitely needs a new head coach. Lots of talent there. Much of it is not used to potential. Berkeley could use someone new.
February 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
I heard that B-high change might actually happen. AD wants Simms gone. Principal don’t know yet. They are on a downward spiral since Carter left. They may have won league last year but had some pretty embarassing losses.
February 26th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Coach Sims has an uphill battle. Berkeley is an intriging job, as they have a lot of great athletes, but they haven’t been past the 2nd Round of NCS since 96. Division I is really tough and Berkeley’s league opponents don’t compare to the EBAL and BVAL.
February 26th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
hey eb fan, yeah coach perenon is a very good coach, but lets not get carried away if he went to berkeley. he played in berkeley at st. marys, so he knows the lay of the land. but for beating de la salle, aint goin to happen. berkeley could not hang even if they had jim har. from the niners coaching them. perenon would know that, he got his but kicked from coach lad.
February 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
as for coach trotman from albany getting new life, great times for him. however albany has been a piece of crap since the early 1940,s. they cant win, and wont win.you cant make chicken soup out of chicken shit. they have had so many football coaches in the last number of years, it should tell the story. even with coach dan shag at the helm, a top rated all time NCS coach, they could not get it done. albany is the original shit birds of the bay league.
February 26th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
when i heard that coach barnes was going to skyline, i first thought it was jeff barnes out of hayward. he was a terrific high hurdler and football player. went to cal and started and then played for the raiders. this other guy, i dont know, however skyline has been down since they lost their head coach about 10 years ago. that was coach john bream. skyline will have to suck up to the other patsies in the OAL. may the best sucker win.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Bigdog…I have been reading this on and off for quite a while…you are a complete deuschbag…I honestly have never read anything positive from any of your posts…you either have an axe to grind about everything or you are a DLS non paid coach…which is it?
February 27th, 2013 at 12:12 am
2013/2014 OAL PREDICTIONS
1. SKYLINE (JB HAS WON IT BEFORE)
2. TECH (Their always good)
3. MCCLYMONDS (NO COACH YET, LET’S SEE HOW MANY PLAYERS THEY RECRUIT)
4. CASTLEMONT {SHOULD BE GOOD! A LOT OF RETURNING PLAYERS)
5. FREMONT (NOT SURE HAS A LOT OF YOUNG PLAYERS)
6. OAKLAND (???????)
February 27th, 2013 at 8:39 am
i think i hate coaches no one has an original idea if one dumb so called respected coach has a dumb idea and passes it on it becomes law. no one challenges the validity of the concept. They say gifted athletes can coach the reason y is because non gifted athletes have filled the kids brains with BS that is completely illogic. If u DESIGN plays to beat a kid that runs a 4.8 when u get a kid that runs a 4.4 all I Will see u look a ur clip board and wonder y isn’t that play working u jack ass. Y not design a playbook that’s universally sound that bets gifted players and mediocre players don’t stand a chance… IF I HEAR ONE MORE COACH SAY THAT THE WAY WE DO IT OR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DO IT LIKE THIS 4 YEAR I MITE SNAP. This goes 2 every coach out thr without an original idea
have u ever heard of evolution REMEMBER THE MODEL –T FORD WITH A CRANK SHAFT
well now we have electric starts ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RC126- the bigdog posts are from another bigdog not me which is BigDog.
However, his posts are logical. You dont even know what a deuschbag is used for. It’s French and you can squirt vinegar up what chalktalk ends his comments with in the previous post. Squeeze hard honey and get every last drop!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
chalktalk, I heard the Norte Dame Marching Band is coming over yur house for St. Patty’s Day. They want to show u their black Irish kilts. Have yur grits and gravy ready sucka!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
I think chalktalk is having a meltdown
February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Fremont is also looking for new coach. There is big shakeup in the OAL. I imagine that a lot of the players from Mack and Fremont will be transferring to Skyline or Tech
February 27th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
yO MAMA I HEARD THE POPE IS STEPPING DOWN CUZ HIS PRIEST LIKE THE SMELL OF LITTLE BOYS ANUS AND MALE PROSITUTES… WHEN sandusky get out i mean saduceski gets out u be sure 2 grab a bite of shepards pie
i like cheese in my grit BOY
February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
futher more i was doing the zone read and the back shoulder fade way back in 86 got yelled at and punished 4 being prefect THE COACH WANTED ME TO HIT THE ZERO HOLE AFTER GETTING MY HEAD KNOCKED OF BY A BACKER THAT OUT WEIGHTED ME BY 60LBS 3X IN A ROW i decided to step in the hole and out the hole so my linemen could seal the block score 3 td and got benched 4 not going thru the zero hole I SAY AGAIN MOST COACHES R JACK ASSes AND dont understand physics… or logic STAY AWAY FROM THE COACHING CLINIC 2 MUCH INFO 4 SIMPLE MINDS LMAO
February 27th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Sorry for the confusion BigDog….It is just amazing two posters can be equally ignorant….if thats where you are putting your D-Bag then you have confirmed you are dumb as your posts
February 27th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RC126 @ 49 that’s too funny! German or French, ignorance can be translated into any language. It’s d-o-u-c-h-e bag cementheads. Emasculation alert! (click, click, click, click- let me help you; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emasculate)
February 27th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
hey rc126, you sound like that little rc robot on star wars, a little scardy chicken shit. aint no dela coach need to educate you, you be swimmin with the fishes in the septic tank. their is no water rotation in a septic tank, it needs to be emptied. you need to be emptied cause your blog stinks all the way to high heaven. the privates run the show, whether you like it or not. even coach perenon will tell you that, he is a private. take your no good state funded welfare ass off this blog.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
chalktalk, you must have let father nelson perform a full nelson on you. did it get in? this is why you are so f-up. you need to let it out in the john. so will feel better. bye
February 27th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
chalktalk, you need to snap, not might, do it. i know how you feel. i think i ran into you in alameda one night on encinal ave. you were ho-in to make a buck and i took you up on the offer. you did not like the coaching that night either, as i let a huge load off into your running back three touchdown hole. you fell down and cried. bye the way, you gave me a refund, no charge. please look yourself in the mirror and admit it felt good. sincerly, coach full nelson.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Bigdog this is by far the funniest post ive ever heard i cant stop laughing WHO SAY THINGS LIKE THAT LMAO
Im sure i know who u r since u know me so intimately
I THINK U CROSSED THE LINE with that statement
the strange thing about me is i escalate things until they become violent
THATS HOW I GET MY FIX
u seem to have wild fantasies about lewd and lascivious conduct with men
WHAT CLERGY DID U SAY U ARE WITH!!!!!
PEOPLE LIKE U SHOULD BE STONED 2 DEATH
“thou shall not convent the booty of child or man “
Im glad to know that u stroll the streets of alameda LOOKING TO HOOK UP WITH MALES
so a full nelson will b the least of ur worries FATBOY!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Careful, chalktalk, you could be talkin’ to police officers. Violence is not an option.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
the strange thing about me is i escalate things until they become violent
THATS HOW I GET MY FIX
MAKE A MOVE I DARE U DOUBLE DOG DARE U
IM IN ALAMEDA NOW G0ING TO chuck corica golf course
betting $20 a hole skins with carry overs 201pm tee time id like 2 meet the mighty BIGDOG
U need 2 see what a alpha MALE LOOKS LIKE
“COMPETION IS Y WE LIVE “
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
which big dog? Thanks for the invite but cant make it. I have an 8 handicap and dont play crap courses like that. Diablo Valley Country Club mabey? The Danville Police love alpha males from Alameda. They usually stop them when they hit the city limits, similar to Piedmont. If you need a fix I got a cousin in San Jose who could line you up.
You live because you are allowed.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
chalktalk it’s 2:01pm, look up, my cousin is in the tree! Did he get ya? He was instructed to crap in yur face like the tree dewelers in Berkeley. He’s a human seagull!
February 28th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Are u playing the intercourse or the outercourse? If it’s the outer their could be some inter happening at home while u try to hit some balls.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
dear sweet honey chalktalk, i see that many on this blog dislike you. i dont, cause i have seen the sweet meat baby but hole you have. why are you golfin twenty a hole, when you charged nothing in alameda that night for your hole? dont be violent, cause you were violated that night. you were cryin for joy after and even wanted an autograph from me for your trophy case. i cant bear so see a grown girl cry. the hole blog is lookin at this and your name is shame.dont worry, i wont tell the little secret you told me about your daddy hookin up with you at an earler age, opps, i let the cat out of the bag.no doubt he has a different last name than you, probaly mr. talk shit. you are chalktalk and belong to me for now, HONEY.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
good evening, you called? You have the attention obviously of the little big dog and the big dog.
I beleive your attack on the Church, the Pope, the Clergy and Norte Dame triggered it.
The homosexual community also took offense to some of your alpha dog comments, like the 49er defensive back before the superbowl.
Temper yourself, get humble and March in the St. Patrick Day parade in SF and join your brethern.
Only then will you have the peace of mind to make it until next football season.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
u do do chaser are coming up with good ones
so BIG DOG i guess ur on top and little big dog is the bottoms i know how dogs get stuck togher
I CANT BLAME U BITCHES DO RUN IN PACKS
do u punks teaser each other b4 bed or is that dune b4 confession
KEEP ONE I OPEN WHEN U BOW UR HEAD
pray 4 forgiveness
u b careful the next time u let YOMAMA experiment with the rainbow flag SOME OF US GET CALLED WHEN U DONUTS EATERS CANT DO UR JOB now u place and rank boy
DANVILLE DONT U MEAN DANNI-VILLE
February 28th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
hi big boy chalktalk, i be waitin for my massage. you and i are now soul train mates. love conquers all. let the par-tay begin. i will meet you in alameda on park st. where i can park my wanker in your glorious lovin hole. bye for now, HONEY.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Chalk, this is the way to get off social assistance and get back into the workforce and get promoted- equal rights for all donut eaters!
February 28th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
McClymonds has just inteviewed a coach for Long Beach Poly!
March 1st, 2013 at 12:16 pm
I hear Fremont and Mack already have their coaches, as well as Castlemont, but have not made them public yet!!
March 1st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
oal is a mess
March 3rd, 2013 at 10:48 am
Mike Singletary had a hell of a time coaching. He couldNT understand how all this pros slip thru the cracks. There is a basic understanding in my era which is u take pride in ur work NO EXCUSSES, losing is not and option. This mentality of we will get them next time NEXT TIME IS NOT PROMISE 2 U u play ever down like its ur last U PREPARE UR BODY SO THAT U ARE NOT VICTIMIZED U PREPARE UR MIND so everything is common U respect urself enuff that if ur best is not good enuff u step aside. HONORABLE MEN HAVE HONORABLE DEATHS. No reason 4 any of this anymore —– football just died with this concussion test……….
LETS JUST RUN IN 2 EACH OTHER AND BUMP CHEST
OR BETTER YET HUG THE BASTARD AND SET HIM DOWN SOFTLY
March 3rd, 2013 at 10:56 am
Concussion course
March 3rd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Chalk talk, you talk so much and have done nothing that can be measured. How many wins do you have? Coach P has over 200 and he’s not on here spilling bs out of his mouth.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:11 am
I dont think chalktalk was referring to Perenon
March 5th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
who will win oal next year?
why?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Easily Skyline. Give them the Trophy now.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Skyline will run the table! The only close game will be vs. Oakland Tech. Coach JB will get Skyline back on track
March 5th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
OAL is a B League
March 7th, 2013 at 8:45 am
JB will win the OAL no question about it now that coach Curtis is gone from Mack. Skyline has always had decent numbers and that will be good for JB and he will get the most out of the kids there. Tech always has the talent but coach Edwards cant win the crown without NFL type players on his roster (M.Lynch, J.Johnson). I love the talent they put out every year though. Sad to say but Fremont, Castle, and O-High are all horrible teams with no hope of getting better anytime soon.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Jacob leaving San Loernzo was best for that program but bringing in a guy from Albany high was not the right answer. I’ve met the guy and he seems like a good man but he didnt do anything to make Albany a better team throughout his years at the school. I hope he can turn it around at SLZ because as we all know they have talent to make some noise.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am
@EBfootball/Mandown. What needs to be done to get the OAL turned back around? This league has always been ran by Skyline but just a few years ago 2008/2009 the league was really solid & that was with the biggest & best situation Skyline horrible. O-High was good 2008-2009, Fremont Castlemont were top teams. Mack & Skyline wre the bottom feeders. Those were fun years to watch the OAL.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
PERKIN, It takes a special coach to go to a OAL school and guide a program to excellence. Its a tough task considering all the “unique” situations you go through with players/families, school, and administration. I think pay has a factor as well. If the district is willing to pay coaches more, I think we would see the better coaches come knocking and that could make for a better program with the right guy in place. JB, Samu, McCully, Carter, Beam, Denny, Gumbs, and Edwards are perfect for these jobs beacuse of the type of attitude they bring and they have a way of connecting to the situation better than most. These names are some of the best recruiters we know in the bay. They’ve proven that they can get kids on the field from out the streets and sometimes from other schools, along with the support of families in Oakland.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
WACC FAN,
This is your statement,
“3)Alameda will be tough! The JV team was really good, they lost a lot of games that they should have won(Encinal,Piedmont, Mt. Eden) and they have some key returners.”
I can’t believe you said Alameda will be tough next year after the garbage they lost to last season. You cant just lose to teams that bad and have such a great team the next year. I don’t care how good the JV team was last year and 9-1 JV record don’t impress me considering who they played. You must be a Wac Shoreline fan.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
DOES POTENTIAL HAVE ANY VALUE?
DO STATS LIE?
a certain je ne sais quoi is required.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Don’t try to cure the symptoms When u need to cure the disease. WE ALL KNOW bad craftsman blames thier tools.
DO NOT JUDGE BY good intention or effort, only by the effects of ur deeds
March 7th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
MAN WHO GO to BED with itchy butt, wake with SMELLY FiNger.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Junior lmao
IF DISCIPLINE IS NOT UR MASTER
UR ABILITY WILL B UR DEMISE….
March 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
@ Man Down
I honestly believe Alameda will be much better team than last year. Their best two players were hurt early in the pre-season #1 and #8, and they both will be back next year.
They lost to Encinal on 90 yard TD run with less than minute, after controlling the whole game.
They lost to Piedmont, on 75 fumble recovery TD, after controlling the game.
They lost to Mt. Eden on bad call in OT.
I watched the JV team play, last year and they were killing teams. Mark my words, they will be much better than they were this year.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an Alameda fan at all, I actually can’t stand Alameda, but I’m just calling it, how I see it.
It will be interesting to see how both WACC Foothill and Shoreline divisions work out.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Daily Double alert. Alex Trebek is no longer smirking. The fact that Chalk actually spelled out the french words perfectly, and in context, has brought profound attention to his posts and new meaning to his repartee with some of the faithful. A page turned to counter the e. coli infested foul smell recently. Hallelujah! Chalk with pocket aces; others drawing dead.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
hi chalktalk, im waitin. you sure do SMELL good, honey
March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
BobSchieffer im glad u like
face the nation and jeopardy lol
Tel maitre, tel valet
March 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
WACC Fan,
Alameda will continue to be an inferior program as long as Moyer is at the helm.
San Lorenzo(x2), Richmond, DeAnza, Redwood, Hillsdale.
Those are the big wins in Coach Moyer’s 2 years in charge. I’m sure he’s a great coordinator and great guy, but he’s obviously not a great leader of men.
Compare him to the other three 2nd year head coaches in the WACC: Perenon, Anderson, and Redemer
Perenon took Mt. Eden to playoffs last year.
Anderson beat Moreau Catholic (a much bigger win than anything Alameda has had)
Redemer beat College Park, San Leandro and O’Dowd.
That’s the comparison. Like it or not.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Whats up with all the sex talk?
March 7th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
@ EB Football Coach
Great points!! I can’t argue with anything you said.
I think Alameda is in the process of looking for another coach.
I wonder how Piedmont will do next year without Anderson at helm.
The new coach at Piedmont is Scott Coats previously with Logan. Not really familiar with him.
If Moyer is replaced, there would be 4 new coaches in WACC Shoreline(Arroyo, Alameda, San Lorenzo, Piedmont)
March 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am
WACC Fan,
I do think Alameda could be better next season but even with the two guys missing last year they had the most talented team in the WAC/Shoreline division. With talent like that they should never lose to teams like Mt. Eden or Piedmont. I thought they were going to make some noise the past two seasons just based on the talent I saw but I was dead wrong. No team should ever lose by a 90 yard TD run with seconds left to play or 75 yard fumble recovery TD, thats coaching IMO. No excuses for Moyer and staff.
The Piedmont situation is a tricky one and I truly believe that if they ever got the right guy in place, that program could be very solid. They dont get the most talented guys but they do get a bunch of scrappy and good athletes time to time. Maybe Coats is the right man for the job.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Talking Piedmont: yup, their last coaching staff had the right idea, spread folks out, run the ball and try to develop a short passing game. But their defensive game plan wasn’t so innovative. in fact, their defense always sucked in the past. And its like Piedmont never goes to any local camps, they always try the sneak up on you approach but they never know what they got. With that said i got Piedmont beating Alameda 28-17. And throwing a ragging kegger after. In the name of Moyer and Yamasaki
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
2013 predictions
WACC – Shoreline
1. Mt.Eden
2. Alameda
3. Tennyson
4. San Lorenzo
5. Piedmont
WACC Foothill
1. Encinal
2. Berkeley
3. San Leandro
4. Bishop O’Dowd
5. Hayward
Mission Valley
1. Washington
2. Newark Memorial
3. American
4. Moreau
5. Kennedy
6. Irvington
7. Mission San Jose
Tri-County-Rock
1. El Cerrito
2. Salesian
3. Valley Christian
4. Pinole Valley
5 . St.Mary’s
6. Berean Christian
7. St. Patrick’s
Tri-County – Stone
1. Hercules
2. Kennedy
3. Richmond
4. Albany
5. Swett
6. De Anza
East Bay
1. California
2. Amador Valley
3. San Ramon Valley
4. Foothill
5. Monte Vista
6. Granada
7. Livermore
Bay Valley
1. Pittsburg
2. Freedom
3. Deer Valley
4. Antioch
5 .Heritage
6. Liberty
Diablo-Foothill
1. Campolindo
2. Miramonte
3. Dublin
4. Acalanes
5. Las Lomas
6. Alhambra
7. Dougherty Valley
Diablo-Valley
1. Concord
2. Clayton Valley
3. Northgate
4. College Park
5. Ygnacio Valley
6. Mt.Diablo
Independents
1. De La Salle
2. Logan
March 8th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Anyone else know who they have on staff at Piedmont? I wonder if Coats was able to bring any Logan guys with him. In that league they can compete. Preening has those boys at Mt Eden working.
March 9th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
I’m sure Coach Perenon’s fourth year at Mt.Eden will be a crowning success.
March 9th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Monarch man,
Thanks for the list, but I have to take issue with a few things.
#1: Concord over Clayton in the DVAL?
#2: Antioch over Heritage in the BVAL?
#3: WACC Shoreline has 6 teams.
#4: Mt. Eden and then Alameda? Why would you put them 1, 2 in that league?
#5: WACC Foothill has 6 teams.
#6: BOD in 4th? Encinal 1st? SL over Hayward? What’s your rationale?
March 9th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
#1 – Concord’s quarterback #3 comes back and Coach Hamilton’s ability to adapt to his personnel is second to none. CV loses Joe Prothroe and his 3,000 rushing yards.
#2 – Antioch has improved under Coach Lucido. Antioch has a fantastic running back in Lorenzo Cortez. I think he can be a 1st teamer. Heritage has slipped in recent years and with Haagenson gone they will continue their nose dive.
#3 – I intentionally did not rank Arroyo HS in the WACC Shoreline division because I’m not certain that they filed their paper work to play football for the upcoming 2013 season.
#4 – Coach Perenon another year in the B league will be a cake walk. Last year, Mt.Eden finished 6-4, made the playoffs for the first time in 20 years and beat an Alameda team that had more talent. Mt.Eden could go 8-2.
#5 – WACC Foothill – Castro Valley is 3rd best in the Foothill. Plenty of returning letterman.
#6 – WACC Foothill is wide open. Encinal & Berkeley carry speed, speed, and more speed and will vie for the title, it could go either way. Castro Valley in third. I can’t fathom SL having another losing season. O’Dowd loses all of their talent. Hayward could move ahead of them.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Monarch Man,
Here are my predictions for 2013
2013 predictions
WACC Foothill
1. Encinal- Coach Tenorio will get back to top.
2. Berkeley- Always a lot of talent, tough pre-season schedule
3. San Leandro-Will rebound from 2012
4. Castro Valley-Sleeper in the Division
5. Bishop O’Dowd-Graduated alot of guys
6. Hayward-Team has been improving every year under Redemer
WACC – Shoreline
1. Mt.Eden-Pernon’s experience will come through
2. Tennyson- Defending Champs have a lot of returners.
3. Alameda- Talented Team, not sure if Moyer will be back
4. San Lorenzo- New Coach, New Field.
5. Arroyo-New coach, majority of the tean returning
6. Piedmont- New Coach, majority of the team has graduated. Not a lot of talent returning.
Tri-County-Rock
1. El Cerrito- A lot of returners, tough preseason schedule, motivated to win D 3, and compete fro State
2. Salesian-One of the top teams in Division 4
3. St. Marys- Coach Minor does great job each year
4. Valley Christian-Good D 4 team
5. Pinole Valley-Still rebuilding
6. Berean Christian-New Coach
7. St. Patrick’s- New Coach, a lot of issues
Tri-County – Stone
1. Hercules-Defending champs, will be tough to beat
2. Kennedy-New Coach, a lot of talent
3. Richmond-Coach Merriweather turning things around
4. Albany-Darkhorse, but not sure what to expect
5. Swett-Nice Field, D 5 team, graduated a lot
6. De Anza-Young team
March 10th, 2013 at 12:05 am
Got the news of the day
Coach Fred Sims from
BERKELEY HIGH SCHOOL
HAS BEEN FIRED
Who will they hired as they next Head Coach?
Will they lose all the talent?
Where do they rank in Wacc Foothill Division?
March 10th, 2013 at 1:51 am
#78 did u really mention Desmond Gumbs???? Please! Sorry!!
March 10th, 2013 at 7:53 am
I must apologize to all bloggers
schools with less talent stay consistent
and weight 4 the more athletic teams to make mistakes
the talent is is the brain not the athleticism
WOW wow wow
this is y u go 2 the coaching clinics 2 learn how 2 weight on mistakes
got dam amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am
#100 Desmond Gumbs is a very good salesman.. which is what #78 is trying to say. He is able to get kids to leave behind a lot of the distractions in the streets and get out there and play football instead. Now when he gets them out there, the X’s and O’s part is a totally different story and this is something that Gumbs is very deficient in.
March 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am
B-High after having a loaded program in 2010 on Carter’s departure Simms has gotten progressively worse every year. Never could build. Embarassing losses to other D-1 programs. Especially in the play-offs. No saiving face with a league championship of 5 barely wins. Good move by the school time to move on.
March 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I hope Berkeley does not try to lure Perenon away. He is close to building a championship program. The admin should increase his pay to make sure he doesn’t get away.
March 10th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
So is it only the head coach Simms who is fired or is the the entire coaching staffs of berkeley high football fired?
March 10th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
cause it would be so detrimental for the entire squad, especially the seniorss, in their last season who had hopes of playing D1 in college.
March 10th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Mt. Eden lost to Oakland High.. i dont think we should be getting carried away here.
If we looked at their wins it wouldnt be very impressive. They’re on the incline, but lets not make them out to be a powerhouse.
March 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Wow! Coach Sims has been fired!
There will coaches coming from everywhere, trying to get this job.
Just a few names-Perenon, JB,Tenerio, Nickerson,
March 10th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
BHSGUEST
I think the who coaching staff is gone.
March 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
I heard whole staff is gone. Why would Nickerson leave BOD for B-High? BOD is the best situation in the East Bay. Pays more too.
March 10th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
BHSGUEST
I THINK THE WHOLE COACHING STAFF IS GONE!
March 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
While BOD is certainly a nice situation, some might argue that DLS would be an even better situation, and would likely even pay more.
March 10th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
What evidence do you have that DLS would pay more than BOD?
March 10th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
@ #112/Junior….It is common knowledge that ever since the Christian Brothers recovered BlackBeard’s millions in 1798 at their Caribbean Monastery they have been throwing money at hiring the best coaches for at least the last 200 years.
March 10th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Evidence? I just said it was likely, not stating it as a fact. Why, do you have evidence that it is less than or equal to BOD or B-High pay? The public schools’ pay are public record, but I’ve never seen anything listing the DLS or BOD pay scales. Perkin seems to feel BOD pays more than a public school. I would think it likely that the DLS coaches put in more hours than either as well.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
#113- that is classic!
When you state “likely” it should come from a position of knowledge. Thus why I asked for evidence. Next time try prefacing with “I have no knowledge and this is a complete guess…”
I have knowledge. I have family members that have been teachers, administrators, and coaches at Catholic HS’s for 40+ years. Catholic School pay for coaches in the East Bay are ridiculously low- same as public schools.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Take it up with Perkin as he stated it as fact. I was just really saying that DLS was a better job than either BOD or B-high but any mention of DLS tends to get people’s panties in a bunch. Maybe B-high coaches make way more than private schools can pay? I don’t really care one way or the other.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
It was blogged when both of those jobs were posted a couple of years ago. BOD 5k. B-high something like $3500-$3600. To me East Bay is this side of the Hill.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Thanks Perkin. So it’s anyone’s complete guess whether one private’s coaches would be paid more than a public school while another may not. Or maybe likely.
March 10th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
I bet Curtis McCauley jumps on that job. Maybe get Carter to put in a good word. Tenorio & JB? IDK Whats changed rom 2010 to now. JB just got a pretty good program in Skyline. Tenorio just went through a rebuilding year & should be ready to roll. Maybe Perenon. They would probably have to offer him a job. I heard thats why he didn’t take the Piedmont job a couple of years ago.
March 10th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Much better Prep. It is a guess.
Using a blog post as fact or “likely” is weak evidence. BOD’s 5K and BHS 3500-3600 means nothing if it is not defined as to what that includes. It likley is apples to oranges in regards to responsibility, duties, etc.
Just setting the record straight.
March 10th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Yes. Mt.Eden had a better record last year. Yes. They made the playoffs. But,No they are not a threat to win leaqgue. All they have coming back is a receiver. They were senior heavy last year and lost their entire line. So I don’t expect much from them regardless of who’s coaching them.
You want predictions
Shoreline
1. Alameda – We could compete in the Foothill division & be a threat to win league. Hameed,Doss,and Hernandez all return and will be impossible to contain. 2013 Hornets will win the Shoreline, win the Island Bowl,& win at least 1 or 2 playoff games. Moyer will be better the second time around the league.
2.Tennyson – They have a good RB and won last year, but I know most of their defense was lost to graduation.
3.Arroyo – They have some speed to run behind an experienced line. I think they have the most returning players. I can see them finishing 2nd.
4.Mt.Eden – The wide receiver #15 can play, but they lost most of their line to graduation.
5.Piedmont – QB is back, A Logan coach heading the team. 5th place may be too low.
6.San Lorenzo – They should be more athletic than Piedmont, maybe with the new coach they can move ahead of them.
6. San Lorenzo
March 10th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
i heard two of many names for B-high coaches were some guy named Charles, and JB guy. any information on these two coaches?
March 10th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
btw they need to put a post that says (reactions to firing of berkeley high football coaches) or (berkeley high searches for new football coaches)
just like they got this post
March 11th, 2013 at 12:19 am
I heard the leading candidate for this job is Coach JB I don’t know would take it , he just got the Skyline job!!!! I think can be a great fit for this job and this is his former high school
March 11th, 2013 at 7:29 am
mvalfan2, Gumbs was a person who could recruit and get kids to play football at Oakland High. They were a losing school that couldnt compete. Look at what he’s doing at Stellar Prep. He was able to get kids to come play for him so he selling somthing right.
March 11th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Sims gone is not a bad move for Berkeley high. I actually agree with the move and it needed to be done. 0-5 start, record got worse every season, and less kids playing football over there is not a way to keep that job. I don’t know if JB or Perenon are the right men for the job but I do like the McCully idea. JB proved at Arroyo that he couldnt do very well in NCS and Perenon’s style of coaching wouldnt work at Berkeley. I don’t know what the problem is at Berkeley and why they cant get a decent coach but pay has to be a factor because thats a place Im sure many of differnt coaches wouldnt mind coaching.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:27 am
I think JB would be perfect fit from Berkeley.
He is B-High Alum, and could get a lot of alum involved in helping rebuid the program. He did great job at Castlemont with low numbers, he was starting to turn around Arroyo. Majority of his team were sophmores last year. JB can do great things at Skyline, but he may be the person to take Berkeley back to the glory days.
I agree with Man Down, I think Perenon’s style of coaching wouldn’t really fit at Berkeley.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Lad should put in. This would be a great opportunity to show if he’s truly the GOAT by coaching without all the advantages of a Catholic school (recruiting, etc). A lot of these successful catholic school coaches have not had significant success at public schools. Perenon (BOD->ME), Cronin (Santa Rosa High->CN), Mazi (Redwood-> MC), Simms (Saint Liz->BHS). Those are just a few names I can think of. Shag is the only one that I can think of who’s had success in both type of schools. Anyone out there got more examples either way.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Come to think of it, Shag only did well at Catholic schools too.
March 11th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Best guy for the BHS job (or any high school job really) would be an alumni. As little as coaches get paid, BHS pays the least so someone like JB could probably round up some other alumni/community members to work for the love of it.
March 11th, 2013 at 10:25 am
At the high school level you coach a program not a team.
Which is why the OAL is a mess – guys r coaching a team with little regard for the over program – The BHS job has to go with someone who can rebuild the whole program otherwise their just flingin passes.
March 11th, 2013 at 11:39 am
#126 he can sell.. but he cant coach. He is an awesome salesman
March 11th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
If you graded all the coaches in NCS, OAL on a curve Gumbs is above 75% as far as being able to run a O & D. Maybe even 80%. His guys can complete a pass. Pretty unpredictable on D.There’s a lot of really horrible coaches out there. I think he’s a better coach then Terry Smith, Perenon, Trotman, Kahn, Bowers, Moyer. Not better then McMasters he did well this year good fundamentals.
March 11th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
PERKIN, I agree with you. Gumbs may not be the best around but he seems get get production out of his teams. Not that bad considering all the bad coaching we have seen in the OAL over the past few years. He gets guys out the street and on the field
March 11th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
JB can change that program around like he did Castlemont and Arroyo. He can bring glory back to Berkeley High with alot of Community support! If he the coach I can see Berkeley going 8-2 this year and going to second round of playoffs for the first time in a while
2013 Berkeley High Schedule
*Washington High
*Monte Vista
*San Mateo
*Pittsburg High
*James Logan
Then League
March 11th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
What did coach Barnes do at Arroyo that was so impressive to say he turned the program around?
March 11th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
ManDown
Took Arroyo to 2 playoffs appearance in his first two years at Arroyo should of been 3 but I don’t know what happen to that. Arroyo having had a winning season since Cyrus back on 2004
March 11th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
He did a good job acquiring talent but I heard thats what got him into issues with administration which ultimately led to a change. He needs to think this through. He won’t have these issues at Skyline. Obviously there’s a disconect with the administration & FB at B-High for various reasons. I heard one of the main reasons for Simms deparutre is lack of support from the Athletic department.
March 11th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
The coach obviously makes a difference,but mostly when playing against bad coaches.If you had a league of 10 schools and they were all well coached,talent and maybe the bounce of the ball, would determine the champion.We love to glorify coaches who win a lot of games,but every coach with a tradition of winning also has excellent talent.Once you win,kids want to go there and success breeds success.The guy coaching 15 years at Podunk Public with a mediocre talent pool may win 55 % of his games and be better than the coach winning 85 % of his games in the Catholic school.There is very little difference once you get into the top 50 % of the coaches,with very few exceptions.Lad and his staff were an exception,but they were also in the absolute perfect situation.That being said,they executed at a level never seen before and maybe never again.
March 11th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
EB football, Lad could coach anywhere. Doesn’t mean they go undefeated. He took DLS from the bottom of the old CAL to the top in less than 2 years. DLS sure wasn’t recruiting ( LOL) then.
As far as BHS, they have dropped in all 3 major sports there.
Basketball is a shadow of itself, football and the biggest drop off track. Coach Willie White had them going for years, now nobody even goes out.
So the public perception is bull, BHS was on top for years and now they are on the bottom for years.
James Logan has no problem in football and track, public powerhouse.
It’s more than coaching, it’s student attitudes and priorities. A lot starts at home, parents. Berkeley is not at the disadvantage like OAL schools.
March 11th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
The most successful program at BHS over the years by far has been the girls basketball program.What is kind of ironic is they use to recruit all over the east bay and most of their great players were from Oakland.The public schools do not recruit myth was really exposed there.They had 2 assistants there for years,maybe still there since I have not seen them play for about 5 years,who use to go to all the cyo games and AAU stuff and talk to all the best players.I was having lunch one day in Oakland and they walked in with the best 8th grader in Oak,6-1 stud who wound up starring at UC berk not too long ago after leaving BHS.Just pointing out that some public schools recruit their A#$@$ off.
March 11th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
3/11/2013
Berkeley High School
1980 Allston Way
Berkeley, CA 94703
Position:
Varsity Head Football Coach
Interested candidates should send resumes/letters by Wednesday 3/13 @ 4pm to Allison Smith, AD at allisonsmith@berkeley.net .
March 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Perkin, put the crack pipe down. Gumbs hasn’t won anything and from what I see and hear he is one of the worst coaches in the NCS. Who would say that Gumbs is better than Perenon? Really? Gumbs has lost twice as my games as he’s won. Coach P over 200 wins. No contest. Delete yourself from ever blogging on here again you make yourself look ridiculously stupid.
“Derrrr..duuuhhhh?, Gumbs is one of the best coaches in NCS”
- Crackhead
March 11th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Calm down monarch man.. gumbs definitely is below perenon… but chill lol
March 11th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
NEW OAL PREDICTIONS
#1 Skyline
#2 Tech
#3 Castlemont ( New coach from Boise State)
#4 McClymonds
#5 Oakland High
#6 Fremont
March 11th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Well said Hoops in 141. Success breeds success. Remember in the early 80s when every stud hoop player from Oakland wanted to go to O’Dowd? Then post-Kidd in the early 90s, every baller from The Town found his way to St Joes…… In the Fardella/Beam era, 80s/90s, all Oakland kids, as well as Berkeley and some City kids found their way up Redwood Rd. to play football at Skyline…..after that, they followed Carter to Mack.
Kids want to play for a winner. Play where they will be seen. The winning foundation must be constructed first……..”If you build it, they will come……”
March 11th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
The new BHS coach should be someone who can keep the players eligible, and get them on the path to college. Too much talent there to only have one kid signed in two years.
March 11th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Perenon would turn BHS into a powerehouse!
March 11th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
I don’t see it. Perenon to stay at Mt.Eden.
March 12th, 2013 at 7:44 am
ANYONE THAT THINKS Lad or Perenon can coach inner-city kids could b sadly mistaken. But i would like 2 see it.
DISCIPLINE is the issue, the main reason schools in the suburbs beat inner-city schools. discipline= respecting urself enuff 2 do the right thing even if u dont want 2… CAN THEY GET THE THUGS TO COMMIT 2 LEAVING ALL THE BUILT UP AGGRESSION ON THE FIELD i say not.
DOMESTICATION OF A WILD ANIMALS ARE HARDER THAN U THINK!!!!! if ur momma a hoe and goes boosting and ur daddy sale dope and robs on the weekends. DISCIPLINE IS THE LAST THING UR WILLING 2 EXCEPT good look BHS
March 12th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Perenon at BOD did an average job with NFL talent. Good guy. Discipline. Couldn’t even use all the talent on the roster. Featured one guy. Why Adonis Smith went to Serra. Solid run game but very predictable. Stretch left. Stretch right. Bootleg. Maybe a Counter Trey not often. When he did give the ball to the FB FB usually got like 6-7 yards. Couldn’t complete a pass against 0 coverage. Watched Hayward run 0 their whole game & he couldn’t do anything a few years in a row. Defense standard 4-4. Nothing special. Kids were good they were good if not scheme wasn’t gonna help. Couldn’t win any big games the last 7 years or so. Beat SL once in 8 years & they were down some years. Year in & year out BOD had the best talent. Seeing how well Turner did with the O Nickersons first year showed how bad Perenon was. What was Perenons best win his last 7 years at BOD? The last 2 years at Mt. Eden he played the worst of the worst & still couldn’t beat O-High or Richmond High. Not impressed
Now I think Gumbs is not a great Coach. Average. Maybe a lil higher. His teams at Wilson Prep & O-High which is all that I base it on could always complete a pass. A lot of different sets. Ace, I, 3 backs. Ran a good toss & a trap off it that seemed to give him a solid run game. Obviously Blast out of I. Defense Press man Base 1& 2 High then ran a good Gap 7 change up that always gave his teams advantages. For these reasons I in my opinion Gumbs is a better coach then Perenon.
March 12th, 2013 at 9:42 am
I just wanna know what has Perenon did that was so spectacular at MT. EDEN & BISHOP O’DOWD?
March 12th, 2013 at 9:49 am
I just wanna know who going to be Berkeley High New Coach???
March 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
JB probably to BHS and CM from Mac to coach Skyline
March 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I like chalktalk’s comments on inner city. Chalk u should coach BHS.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:55 am
So this is where they keep all you people …
March 12th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Coach Perenon has done great things at Mt. Eden. The biggest impact he’s made is one that can’t be measured, but can be observed. He’s turned around the culture here from one of despair to hope and then again from hope to expected success. The kids here know that the outcomes of the games on Fridays are a direct result of the amount of work they put in Monday through Thursday. Chalktalk always talks about, and rightfully so, coaches who preach but don’t produce results on the field. Well, last year Coach P took us from a program that had hit an all time low to a team that went to the playoffs for the first time in decades. 6-4 isn’t the greatest record in the world, that’s for sure. But, it sure does feel like a good record after a string of 0-10 seasons. I think we have a lot of work cut out for us next year in replacing a lot of those seniors who graduated. But, we know what it takes to succeed again and the boys are hard at work in the weight room. I’ve been around the program for the past ten years, as a player, coach, and ardent supporter. This place is not what it once was and Paul Perenon should get no small share of the credit.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:26 am
If Perenon stopped coaching in 2004 he wouldn’t be getting this slack. But he’s proven not to be able to change with the times since then. It’s like he was great, certain programs caught up, certain programs passed him up.
If you compare Perenon and Gumbs in the post 2004 era you gotta give it to Perenon. Gumbs has had one good season ever and that was on his gravy train year.
March 12th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Little dog and Big dog want to be chalk’s asst. coaches when he moves up. I like the hoe and boosting stuff, along with what dad does. We could have a powerful team like the Longest Yard with this combo.
Daddio chalktalk, when can we start?
March 12th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
This thread just keeps getting more hilarious.
Perkin I liked your post (honestly) you make a great argument. Moreso for the lack of success Perenon has had rather than the success Gumbs has had. The offense Gumbs runs is not all that sophisticated, he swims with the goldfish. If he were truly the above average coach he would at least promote himself to the big fish.
With Perenon I dont understand the hype around Mt. Eden, they have beat anyone worth talking about yet, Alameda included. We’ll have to see what they do this year I guess.
March 12th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
havent*
March 12th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
interesting blog but kind of repetitive
March 12th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Way too many Skip Bayless impersonators on these boards nowadays.
March 12th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Don’t bother applying for the Berkeley High job. The AD will waste your time. She already decided on this Barnes guy before she fired this last one. Same ol shit, different day. Hopefully he’ll actually do a good job there, but just because he went to the playoffs with Arroyo doesn’t mean he’s actually all that good. Look at who was just fired form Berkeley?? Didn’t Simms win a NCS title at St. Liz?? LOL! Another non-teacher, or better yet, non full time on campus coach hire for Berkeley High. Same outcome? Great former players don’t mean great coaches.
March 12th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Want a good comparison?Perenon the 25 or so years at a talent factory like O’D vs Lad at DLS.Look at the 2 records and also consider that Lad always played the toughest schedule one could imagine and Perenon was infamous amongst fellow coaches for strategically scheduling only teams he knew they should beat.Look at the record and then look at the quality of the teams played.Not only is Lad’s record 50 times better but it was done against much much much better competition.Perenon is an average high school football coach.
March 12th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
unfair comparsion hoops, although I agree on schedules. Odowd players are not driven like DLS. Actually other privates arent either. DLS is a one of a kind brotherhood factory.
The Odowd staff would end up handing out towels in the locker room out at Winton Drive.
March 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Perenon and Lad are actually a perfect comparison. Extremely similar situation and look where Lad went with it.
But Perenon had the courage to take on a public school gig. Let’s see if Lad has the courage to put in for the Berkeley job.
March 12th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Looking at the job posting in #144 all candidates have to apply by Wednesday. They probably already have somebody in mind but are posting the job just to be official.
March 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Courage? What a lame use of that word- @post #166.
Release the hate…
March 12th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Yomama…After giving it some thought,you are right.The culture at O’D is different than DLS.Of course who created that brotherhood factory at DLS?I agree and I enjoyed the handing out towels at Winton Dive comment as well.
March 12th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
EB football, how about the Monte Vista coach taking the job at Berkeley? He’s beat them several years in a row and can escape the ass-kicking he has experienced at the hands of DeLaSalle over the years.
Lad is teaching at DLS, still involved in the program and making a great salary.
Once a Spartan, always a Spartan. He’s turned down some college gigs.
BHS is a ces-pool of Berkeley politics, admin and un-motivated students. A waste of perfect talent like Lad.
Mabey you run the parent’s booster club and help the MV coach at BHS.
March 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Lad will never coach anywhere but DLS.Why would he possibly want all of that aggravation.He is realistic enough to understand he could never create another DLS and why would he want or need to?
March 12th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
People forget that coach Lad did not retire but only stepped down as Head Coach. He still has teaching position at De La Salle and will still be involved with football program in some capacity. The press conference was pretty clear.
March 12th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Perkin, Perenon and Gumbs. Are we really debating this? Gumbs is about 30 games under .500 and Perenon over 200 wins. Can anyone on here name one of Gumbs’ championship, playoff, or win inning teams? He’s been coaching how many years? Tell me how many seasons he’s had winning and losing and then compare it to coach P. Gumbs Is probably at 1 maybe 2 winning seasons and Perenon about 25-30? Someone give us the facts and let us know its got to be something like that.
March 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Monarch Man,
I don’t disagree, but the consensus seems to be that Coach Perenon can only have success at private schools in urban areas while Gumbs has had success at an OAL school, similar to Carter’s success at MACK before he went to BHS.
Though Mt. Eden had more success than in recent years, had they been in the old HAAL, they would have been 3rd to last and probably wouldn’t have made the playoffs.
I do think Piedmont is kicking themselves for not waiting, they could have picked up Simms from BHS instead of Dude they hired.
March 12th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
any thoughts on the future of skyline and mac?
March 12th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Scott coats isnt a bad hire for piedmont.. theyll be ok.. cant have the same retreads year after year
March 12th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I just looked it up. Gumbs had one winning season in Oakland. I don’t see how you say he won just like Carter did at Mack. If Gumbs is considered a good coach then Coach Perenon needs a bust put up in Canton alongside Bill Walsh and John Madden.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Only Thing I Have To Say Is Coach JB Will Be Berkeley New Head Coach By Next Week .
March 12th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Hey “Monarch Man” i mean boy. How dare you put up a prediction and not include the OAL…
March 13th, 2013 at 8:34 am
I wonder if Berkeley regrets not hiring one of the coaches they interviewed the last time the job was open and has already pegged him for the job. Looking at post #144 there’s only 3 days for the application process??? Seems plausible to me that they may have already contacted him.
So who applied last time and who of them have accomplished the most in the past 3 years?
March 13th, 2013 at 9:34 am
If JB becomes the new head coach at Berkeley, every coach in the WACC Foothill division should send the BHS AD a “Thank You” note. If Simms was at the local middle school and couldn’t get control of the players, what makes anyone think JB will be able to? Not to mention all the issues he had with “recruiting” at Arroyo, BHS admin won’t play with that.
March 13th, 2013 at 9:37 am
The guys a pretty good coach
BHS should go deep in the offs
he’s the OC DC and the HNIC…..
March 13th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Chalk, can I get some of whatever you’re on?
March 13th, 2013 at 9:52 am
If JB gets the job, I believe that he would be able to make some things happen as Berkeley alum.
He should be able to bring in come support from the community, other alumni, and not to mention, he is a really good coach. He should be able to work wonders with the talent at Berkeley. He finished 2nd in WACC-Shoreline with really young team.
He previously coached in the old HAAL, so he is familar with all the teams, in the WACC-Foothill.
March 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
JB put his team in the B league (that has 1900 kids) to avoid playing Berkeley (and the other A league teams) now he should be the Berkeley High coach? That makes no sense.
March 13th, 2013 at 10:08 am
I think Barnes will do a good job at B-High. Just has to build up a good relationship with the Athletic Department & their expectations/rules. On his end is he hasn’t already excepted the job ask questions about the support he will get from the administration. If you can succeed at Castlemont you can succeed any where.
March 13th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Monarch man….What you are missing is everything is relative to the talent and situation.Perenon true to what his history at O’D predicted,scheduled the absolute weakest teams he could find last year so they could get a few wins.The best way to evaluate a coach is not by their record alone,but by the talent they had and the schedule they played.Is the O’Dowd girls basketball coach a genius because of the record they have the past few years?He is a very average coach with the best talent ever assembled in the east bay.Do not annoint Perenon as the next Harbaugh because he won a lot of games in a situation that he should have won more.He is now in possibly the weakest league in the east bay in a school with a history over many years of having good athletes, so I would expect him to make that program respectable.Perenon is pretty much a very average coach with a huge ego that cares a lot more about his W L record than someone like Lad.
March 13th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Chalk, tell them what the HNIC is.
March 13th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
@ Hoops:
Come on, dude … If Coach Perenon cares so much about his W-L record, as you state, why in the heck would he go to coach at a place like Mt. Eden? Outside of a decent year here and there, what has ME accomplished in the sport of football since maybe the middle 1970′s?? IMO you are missing the point. Or, maybe you have an axe to grind with Coach P (sure seems like it); what is your issue with him? Let me remind you that the FB program at BOD won only 1 league title prior to Coach P taking it over. What has the program done since P left? Has Nickerson won the NCS (with arguably the BEST talent in the east bay in 2010,11 & 12); did they not finish next to last in the WACC Foothill in 2012? Has Nickerson taken BOD beyond round 2 of NCS? With better talent than Coach P had in those three years! The answers are fact. You also seem to downplay the quality of teams BOD defeated to win NCS with Coach P. No doubt the talent slipped between 2005-2009. I saw it first hand. Even the ’08 BOD team (10-2, 2nd round NCS) did not have great offensive line play and the QB was clearly below the talent of Miroglio. I can go on and on. But your perspective sure seems affected by a personal issue you have with Coach P. My advice: call Coach P and talk it out!! Maybe you will feel better. BTW, ME is better off today, regardless of who they play, than they were before Coach P got there. I’ll wager a hot dog and a drink that there are more than just a few folks around BOD who would love to see Coach P back at BOD (I am confident of this because I hear them talk ALL THE TIME!!)
March 13th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Eb Fb…You are truly a believer.As I said he is an average coach that did what any average coach would have done with all of that talent.I do not have an axe to grind,just not a big fan. There are truly 2 sides to the Perenon legacy.Your side and the side of many others who have the opposite opinion.I know and have talked to a lot of people as well over the last 25 years.The thing that always irritated me the most about Perenon was the way he masterfully dodged playing the good teams.I would imagine he took the ME job because it was the only one he could get and because he probably thought he could work his magic and beat O’D and feel vindicated.Us arguing back and forth will accomplish nothing.With Perenon it is like Congress.The two sides will never agree.I use to be involved coaching way back when and had friends at O’D and other Catholic schools and we would talk.I remember well the way Perenon, when the rules allowed teams to move up or stay in your own division,always moved to the weakest possible division.In other words if D2 was down he would move up and avoid some good team in his own division.He did the same with his schedule.Never would schedule a good team unless they had graduated their studs.I am not making this up.We did the same thing with basketball and would pick out which coaches really wanted to play the best teams or who would try to find the easiest path.I am not saying there is anything wrong with it but it is not a philosophy that deserves admission to Canton.
The one interesting fact that sort of favors my viewpoint is that if he is held in such high esteem in the football community,why is ME the best job he can get.Please do not insult my intelligence and say because he wants to coach there.One would think a great,highly respected coach with over 200 wins could do a little better than that.Just saying.
March 13th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
EBFOOTBALL
You sound mad at coach Barnes. Its sucks for you that Barnes already got the Berkeley high job locked up. Coach P is 0-3 vs.coach Barnes. Or is you mad cause you can’t get the Bhs. Job
March 13th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
@ Hoops:
I believe as much as you disbelieve!!! But you must get your facts strait: Coach P petitioned the BOD FB program UP to 3A from 2A in 1996 before winning any NCS titles; lost in 1st round to Washington in ’96 before winning NCS 3A in ’97 and ’98, finished second to YV in ’99; FYI BOD was the smallest enrolled 3A school during that time frame and beat such powers as Monte Vista, Foothill, Clayton Valley, Amador Valley, San Leandro during those years. Went back down to 2A in 2004; now Division 3 with changes in enrollment affiliations (D3 is equal to waht used to be 2A back in the day). Maybe you should call Coach P and ask him what he reasons were for moving back down to 2A. I am sure he would be happy to explain it. But would you be willing to accept the explanation you get? Also, maybe you should ask Coach P directly why he chooses to work at M. Eden. Please be willing to accept his answer. Just saying.
BTW, Hoops, how about some of your expert analysis of what Hardy Nickerson has achieved over the past three years? Or shall we just sit back and observe? I do know this: when Coach P had senior talent like Hardy has had in each of the last three years, BOD played in (and won) NCS championship games – and did not lose/get outcoached by lesser talented, athletic teams (Cardinal Newman and Campolindo). Read Newman coach Cronin’s post game comments after beating BOD in 2010.
March 13th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Under Nickeron, Bishop O’Dowd lost to a last place 0-9 San Leandro team. I don’t think coach P ever lost to a team that was 0-9. Just sayin.
March 14th, 2013 at 9:04 am
did nickerson lose 2 jb no but coach P did what type of logic is that
WITH EVERYONE COACHING 200 GAMES IM SURE JB AND NICKERSON
WOULD WIN MORE THAN COACH P
for the record does anyone know what happens when ability
and opportunity come 2gether nothing without knowledge and drive!!!!!!
March 14th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Hard to see a strong case for Barnes. He may well be a great coach, but if I’m the administrator in charge of hiring a coach at Berkeley I would want to see more in the way of winning seasons than Barnes has thusfar produced. Also, why did Barnes leave Arroyo after one season? I recall hearing about “thug coaches” (other people’s word, not mine) and stuff like that. Then next thing you know he’s gone. Any issues like that? Hey Chalk, were you one of the coaches at Arroyo under Barnes????
For that reason, I don’t think Perenon is out of the question. Let’s see, 200 wins, NCS championships, success at building a public school football program. Sounds like a beauracrats dream choice!
Why is no one speaking up for McCauley of Mack? If running an inner city school football program successfully is a prerequisite than McCauley deserves the nod way before Barnes.
I also like to stir the pot by mentioning that Tenorio would be an interesting choice for BHS coaching job. He’d bring a tough brand of football to BHS! However, I don’t see him leaving Encinal with what looks like a sunny forecast for an Encinal revival next year. The sunny forecast is based more on the weakness of BHS, San Leandro and O’Dowd more than a return to greatness for Encinal, but no matter, I don’t see him leaving. But it would be interesting…
Frankly, Skyline sounds like a better assignement for Barnes and McCauley to BHS. Perenon should stay put and good for him if he builds up the program at Mt. Eden and proves his detractors wrong. Tenorio stays at Encinal until the Logan job opens up.
March 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
BHS needs a coach on campus, everyone knows that,lets see what they do.
Barnes and McCauley will stay at Skyline – other coaches mentioned in #198 will remain the same.
I agree that Encinal could have a good year based on the (lack of) talent at O’Dowd and coaching problems at BHS.
March 14th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
I believe Barnes was at Arroyo 3 years. Thought he did well his first assembling talent played teams tough. Kind of underachieved second year. Last year losing his staff he also lost players but still went like 6-4 or something like. Felt like he ran in place didn’t keep improving but had a melt down with the paper work issue with the play-offs. Worked wonders at Castlemont. Just getting kids out. Made that school a power where they use to barely field teams.
Definetly a better coach then Schram at Miramonte Miraman. You’ll find that out this year.
March 14th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
James Barnes
Arroyo
Record (16-14) 3years
Paul Perenon
MT.Eden
Record (7-24) 3years
March 14th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
@HAAL2007
What’s your point?
Maybe Arroyo had better players than did Mt. Eden.
What is career record for Barnes? What has he won; where did he do it? Did he actually rebuild down programs at Arroyo or Castlemont or did he inherit programs that had tasted success prior to his arrival? Did he not inherit the Castlemont program from Coach Denny? If his 16-14 record is so stellar at Arroyo why is there a new coach there?
If you are so small minded to evaluate Coach P on just his last three years at Mt. Eden then so be it. Maybe that is why YOU don’t hire high school coaches. And, BTW, didn’t Barnes’ Arroyo team have to go to three OT’s
last season to beat an underdog ME squad? And we won’t even get into the how’s and why’s of Arroyo not being in the NCS playoffs this past season. One must evaluate the coach based on doing the complete job and staying in compliance with school, league and NCS policies. IMO, Barnes is 0-1 there. Enough said.
March 14th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Perkin,
With Barnes, once again, he may be great, but I still think its a tough sale for the BHS job. An administrator will want to go with a choice that can’t be called into question later and I think there are better choices. If Barnes is great, let him prove it in a smaller forum and then move to D1.
Barnes vs Perenon comparison you show is bogus! The Arroyo team Barnes took over was a 4-6 program and it hasn’t changed much under Barnes. The Castlemont program was 8-3 the year before Barnes took over. Versus the Mt. Eden program Perenon took over was 1-19 in the prior two years and Perenon got them to 6-4 in two years. I agree with those that say the 6-4 was soft, but it still beats 0-10.
Finally, what’s with your hard-on with Coach Schram? In his two years as head football coach he’s 17-7. One of the raps is that Miramonte didn’t play a tough schedule, but this year we played MC and Analy (not to mention Eureka which was suppose to be good). In league we had Campo, Acalanes, LL and Dublin. He still goes 7-5 with a group of seniors that had no size and little in the way of star power. He’s also the JV lacrosse coach and has posted a record of 25-5 over the past two years playing EBAL-caliber programs. He’s also responsible for the off-season conditioning and weight training program. He’s also the guy you go see if you need something or need a key to get in somewhere or need to know how something works. He’s also the guy that you see in the stands at a girls basketball game or wrestling match just because he’s interested in that kind of stuff. What’s a guy gotta do to be a good coach in your mind, cause it seems you’re setting the bar a little high!
Perkin, I’ve gotta ask, did he steal your girlfriend in college or something?
By the way, 2012 W-L record:
Schram 7-5 (losses to MC (2), Analy, Campo, Dublin)
Tenorio 6-6 (first year in “big-boy” league, which actually went 1-10 against D1 programs)
Wade 6-6 (luster starting to where off after 8-5 honeymoon season)
I do have one question for you: Will you finally shut-up if Miramonte is good again next year?
March 14th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Finally, a post that is grounded in some sense #203!
Schram is solid, a veteran coach doing a very good job at miramonte.
What was the record at Mt. Eden in 2008 and 2009? I know 0-10 in 2010, 2-8 (with forfeit loss to Richmond)in 2011;
Perenon’s first year as the true head coach in 2012 was 6-5, including NCs loss. To me the most telling aspect of the 2012 ME season was beating schools that had been better than or had beaten ME in the past few years. Piedmont was not a great team, yet their football tradition has been certainly more stellar than ME’s. If you saw the ME vs Piedmont game last year, you would have seen an ass-whopping – 31-0 for ME. That is the type of thing that is beginning to change at ME. It takes time and commitment.Hope Coach P stays. I saw him do the same “build” job with a mediocre BOD program 25 years ago. Contrary to the opinion of some on this blog, BOD was barely an average program prior to 1985. a good year here and there. Nothing consistent. It took Coach P about five years to get it going. Let’s be honest, hardy Nickerson inherited a full cupboard, a winning tradition, a program in place. He did great with those players left over from Coach P/staff. Last year (2012) was the first year with players in HIS program. The record tells the story. Including an overtime win over 1-9 Sacred Heart Cathedral of SF. Where did St Ignatius go? Will Hardy play Las Lomas again? Just askin.
March 14th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
No Gripe with Schram. Just don’t think he’s an under achiever. Barnes was also on that staff that went 8-3 at Castlemont. No credit there? Schram went 1-9 or 3-7, 2-8 at Encinal late 90′s early 2000′s more times then I can remember. With good looking athletes & numbers. GUess what happened mid 2000′s? Hired Tenorio on his staff. and… Things improved. No credit there? Especially after what Tenorio has accomplished.
Give Schram credit he went to Miramonte & learned something from coach Wade. How to complete a pass. His offense which he copied play for play off coach Wade. Watch the Dublin MIramonte games the last 2 years same plays. How can Wade not still be getting some credit when he’s running the exact same plays? I”ll shut up just for Coach Schram winning a play off game. Never did it at Encinal.
IF Wade got Gravey Train then can’t the same be said bout Schram. Luster starting to wear off after 9-2 2011 season.
All the schools Mt. Eden, SLZ, Arroyo, Tennyson, Encinal, Hayward(maybe a knotch up), El Cerrito. Are almost mirror images in terms of talent, situation, & numbers almost all 2 levels. Maybe a few knit pick differenses here or there but the same. It comes down to the guys running the programs. In my opinion the camparisons in records are very valid. Look at the team Arroyo played Logan 2 years then BOD/Concord. Mt. Eden playing Albany & O-High. Nuff said.
Just for contrast Alameda, SL, BOD, CV, B-High are Different situations. Much better numbers.
March 14th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Perkin,
I agree with much of what you are saying, but it sounds a little one-sided to say that Tenario made Schram better (but apparently Tenario didn’t learn anything from Schram) and Schram was an assistant to Wade and it was Wade that taught Schram (but apparently Schram was not responsible for the strong teams during his assistant coach stint).
One thing I can tell you is that Schram called all the offensive plays in the two years that I saw Schram/Wade coach together. Further, people more familiar with the program than I refer to Wade as installing Miramonte’s offense (i.e. Schram’s offense) not the other way around! Basically, I believe it was Schram that convinced Wade to install the spread offense they both run today.
Point of clarification, Miramonte went 10-2 in 2011 and won playoff games against Tennyson in both 2011 and 2012.
March 14th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Mandown from 127, there is no way Gumbs did anything with oakland high. he got all the praise, and his asst coaches ran the entire team, then he would get mad and try to take over. Thats Stellar Prep school is really not even legal if some of u would look into it. The kids that go there aren’t even from this area!!! Wake up! And they won two games to some d5 schools this season. COme on now!
March 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB back at his alma mater but he just got another job so does he leave after just getting there??? maybe, we just have to see. I think Perenon stays put but has applied, and Tenorio has definitely put in on it, so hey may the best coach win the job, and do well teaching these young men about life
March 14th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
I have read a few more comments and someone really is talking about Gumbs!! Thats crazy that they would compare him to coach Perenon. Thats crazy, hasn’t ever won a championship game or been to one, he didn’t even get to the silver bowl his years at O High, which was mcCauley’s team!! Wake up
March 14th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Stellar prep is funny… they literally practice their sport more than they actually go to school
March 14th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
All these people talking about Mt. Eden and its “situation” when not one damn person knows what goes on inside those walls. Keep armchair coaching, it’s where you belong.
March 15th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Got word that perenon didn’t Apply for the position
March 15th, 2013 at 9:24 am
I don’t imagine anybody applied other then the person they intend to hire. Only posted the job I guess for a couple days.
March 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Coach Barnes
Hire as BHS coach
March 15th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
The Real Predictions
OAL
1. SKYLINE
2. MCCLYMONDS
3. TECH
4. FREMONT
5. CASTLEMONT
6. OAKLAND
WACC Foothill
1. Berkeley
2. Encinal
3. San Leandro
5. Bishop O’Dowd
6. Hayward
WACC – Shoreline
1. Tennyson
2. Mt.Eden
3. San Lorenzo
4. Arroyo
5. Alameda
6. Piedmont
Tri-County-Rock
1. El Cerrito
2. St. Marys
3. Salesian
4. Valley Christian
5. Berean Christian
6. Pinole Valley
7. St. Patrick’s
Tri-County – Stone
1. Hercules
2. Kennedy
3. Richmond
4. Swet
5. Albany
6. De Anza
March 15th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
B-High got a lot of that talent coming back. Almost as much as Encinal.
March 15th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Berkeley job is down to 2 very mediocre “coaches” in Barnes and Ron Thompson. Lol!!!! Sad shit right there. Thompson the quitter, I saw this man literally quit on Wilson Prep back in the SUMMMER of ’07. Enough has been said about Barnes on this site to know he’s mostly talk and little program running. Im surprised hes not on here now hanming it up about joe good Arroyo was, and how good Sky-Berkeley will be. Either way the hire straight up sucks. B-Highs AD is in way over her head by design, so she’s just a puppet for their crap ass principal.
March 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
That’s no saying much. How about some of those football players running some track? BHS has under achieved in every sport except girls basketball, its a fact jack.
March 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Mira man
THUG IS THAT LIKE BEING eclectic or eccentric
March 15th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
EB….Perenon moved up to 3A because it was easier at the time than 2A.He moved back when 2A was easier than 3A.I clearly remember and the enrollment size means nothing between those 2 divisions.Because you move up a division does not mean you are moving up to play the best teams.You can also move up to avoid playing a stronger team in your own division,who is stronger than any team in the division you move up to.I clearly remember that is exactly what he did.Hey,O’D had some great teams with some NFL players at the time…They should have won something.I have no opinion on Nickerson and like I said you are a true believer and probably played for him and were on his good side.I am not saying he is a bad coach.I am saying he is an average coach who chose the easy path and the easiest schedules.There is a reason he never played DLS,which would have been a great game in terms of fan interest.There is a reason he cannot get a job at a high profile school,and I know he has tried,because I know people.
The winningest basketball coach in state history is the Mater Dei coach.He is considered mediocre by people that know.He is a figure head and his assistants do the x’s and o’s.Point being the number of wins does not always mean that much.I just happen to respect coaches that choose to play the best competition and not the ones that manipulate things to blow up their record.I will even give Perenon a pass on last years schedule because ME needed something positive.You watch from here on out at the schedule and see who he chooses to play.OK,I am done with this topic and good luck to you EB and good luck to the ME Monarchs.
March 15th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Chalktalk, its likely they language those coaches used not thier enthusiasm that branded them their label. There are way too many testimonies about it to really deny it.
March 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
the*
March 15th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
YESSS
WE ARE BACK BERKELEY HIGH IS BACK
MY MAIN MAN COACH JAMES BARNES IS GONE LEAD US TO THE PROMISE LAND
ITS OFFICIAL JAMES BARNES IS THE OFFICIAL HEAD COACH
March 15th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
The decision has already been made?
March 15th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Yes I just got the phone call!
March 16th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Proves all you need to know about Barnes lol.. “GONNA BRING GLORY BACK TO THE HILL” …leaves lol
March 16th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Good luck to Coach Barnes. The fact that he has people believing in him say alot.
March 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Barnes any relation to jumpin’ jack Johnny Barnes from BHS a BB player and HJ in track? Johnny was a 5150 last time I heard. He also had a jumpin’ jack brother who attended St. Liz and transfered to BHS.
March 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
@HAAL2007
Your main man said the same thing about Arroyo and Skyline. Berkeley is a joke.
March 16th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Clear as Fog; Man you are in a fog! Ron Thompson was never at Wilson Prep so it seems you’ve been seen things. Or can it be you just are just soured from getting the boot from BHS??
March 18th, 2013 at 5:22 am
all the man did is go 2 the offs 3 straight years
most people hate on success
Im going over there to ask 4 a job
no apply better yet beg the man 4 a job so i can show uall how to BEAT DLS… this coaching frat ostracize coach that dont fall in line… WELL THAT LINE U DRAWN IS GETTING ERASED AND THE DOOR U LOCK GOT KICKED IN AND THE PERSON WHO LOCK THE DOOR IS ABOUT 2 GET THEIR ASS KICKED LMAO…….
March 18th, 2013 at 9:54 am
it was actually hayward high that the sorriest excuse of a coach ive ever seen (thompson) walked out on…it was a team camp that was run by JB at castlemont. nothing will change at berkeley…its all moot cuz no one is going to beat De La in this area
March 18th, 2013 at 10:11 am
InDaNo,
YOU DON’T KNOW! That’s obvious now. Do your research, asks some questions, etc…He was hired as the head coach there in 2007. The fool didn’t last the summer. He didn’t give a shit, that’s why his own players were boxing each other on the sidelines of a scrimmage, while he watched!
March 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am
InDaNo,
YOU DO KNOW. It was Hayward High that that idiot quit on
March 18th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Chalk, if you get a job at BHS that’s great? DLS can only sees BHS in playoffs, so that score could be worse than Coach Carter’s squads who lost by 50-60 points! You could make the differance and get BHS beat by 70-80 pts. You will hand out towels in the lockeroom also, better yet toilet paper after they crap all over you.
March 18th, 2013 at 11:38 am
@ Clear As Fog & InDANO:
Thompson was never at Wilson Prep (that was Gumbs); Thompson was at hayward for a brief time before leaving there; was with Coach Perenon at Mt. Eden in 2010, 2011.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
@chalk
making the playoffs in these water-downed 16 seeded tournament is nothing to brag about. at least get to the semi’s with all that DI talent that you can recruit from anywhere.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Chalk says he’s the HNIC so he could bring ‘em in from Texas and Florida if BHS principle says yes. Since he has San Leandro High connections he could ask those coaches for advice also.
March 18th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Also, Chalk with his Skyline connections could drive up to campus with his GOAT and taxi Titan players to BHS on their lunch hour and play after school.
March 19th, 2013 at 12:48 am
“Big Dog” – Coach Carter lost 59-0 to DLS. He also lost to Monte Vista 48-12. Pittsburg also gave him a beating 35-12.
0-3 in the NCS Playoffs.
Berkeley needs two think twice before they hire another OAL coach.
March 19th, 2013 at 5:23 am
Does anyone Knows
WACC Foothill and Shoreline
Team football schedule this year
March 19th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Just got word that De La Salle dropped Livermore and picked up Clayton Valley Week 0. Murphy’s teams at YV competes with them years ago I wonder if they will be ready for the big green machine.
March 19th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
#240 ALONZO CARTER WOULD NEVER BE HIRED AT CONTRA COSTA IF HE WASN’T GOOD COACH.
HE HAS TURNED AROUND A LOSING PROGRAM IN JUST TWO YEARS.
March 19th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Tenorio is overated. Coach Moyer in just his second year as head coach almost beat Tenorio twice. And Moyer’s team was disappointment last year. But when put on the same field as Tenorio. i think they are even. Remember both games were tight.
2011 Encinal 45 Alameda 41
Moyer’s offense put over 500 yards on Tenorio.
Manibusan passed for 400 yards and 5 Touchdowns. He also ran for like 70 yards. We easily could have won this game.
Last year, Encinal 22 Alameda 15
our defense shutdown Encinal they couldn’t do nothing the whole night. Then a lucky 98 yard run with one minute left on a missed tackle cost us the game, not Moyer. A missed tackle. Not the genius of Tenorio, but a missed tackle.
March 19th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Hameed, Doss, Hernandez. These 3 going to bring us a trophy.
March 19th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
# 244- they both hand out towels at Mt. Eden for coach perenon honies.
March 19th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I dont think anyone questioned carter’s coaching ability “I see you” that would just be crazy. That guy is one helluva coach/motivator.
March 19th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Island Chief Moyer is a horrible coach thats why he got on his knees & begged Calandri to come back & help him this year. Calandri is a pretty ggod coach he will improve the Hornets.
I still don’t get these comparisons. Moyer couldn’t beat Piedmont, Mt. Eden, Arroyo, or Tennyson. All B league teams.
March 19th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
No, Moyer is an incredible coach. He’s not just as good as Tenorio, he’s a million times better, not to mention more of a man….Are you MF CRAZY?!?! Tenorio has won NCS, been to the semifinals multiple times, has one of the highest winning percentages in NCS among active coaches.
Moyer couldn’t win more than 3 games playing in the B league.
Encinal, with 5 seniors. 5. MF 5! Managed a playoff victory and finished with a winning season.
No, but you’re right. It’s a toss up.
Island Chief, you must be two people because one person couldn’t be that stupid!
March 19th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Wolfman is Back! I’m reading alot of Bad info on James Barnes! I thought this Blog was suppose to be about Coach Trotman being hired at San Lorenzo?? James Barnes did a Good Job at Castlemont & Arroyo Hs. Also #240 Carter at Berkeley High yes he lost to Pittsburg 35-12 he also beat Pittsburg, Freedom, James Logan, Castro Valley (Twice) & San Leandro in the Playoffs all NCS schools. Get your facts together. Also his lost to DeLaSalle he wasn’t even coaching on the sideline because he was suspended. Although I really don’t care for the OAL I can’t hate on Barnes, Beam, McCaully or Carter
March 19th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
I posted it on the wrong Blog but like I said I really don’t like the OAL because they can’t beat any of the (925) Schools Pittsburg Hs, Freedom, Clayton Valley, Concord Hs, & De La Salle. The NCS is a much better section & beat the OAL any day! Period!!
March 19th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
wheres, “Berkeley high hires a new head football coach” post? Lol
March 20th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Coach Carter was not coaching the game against DLS because he was on suspension! No matter, that game could have gone 80-00 if DeLa doesn’t pull the starters at half.
March 20th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Big dog, lame excuse. Carter prepared his team the entire week. He led his team and assistants in the meetings, practices, game plan. To say he didn’t coach is being naive. Carter on the sideline makes a mininmal difference in the outcome. Instead of losing by 40, they lose by 30. He is a good coach but let’s not make excuses. Good coaches can be beaten too.
March 20th, 2013 at 11:12 am
@ #249,
Eb football coach. Look at the two games they’ve coached against each other in 2011 and 2012 and you will see that Tenorio vs. Moyer is a close match up. If Tenorio was so much better than why are the games so close? Why do they need 98 yard last minute miracles to beat us? Because Moyer and Tenorio are on even ground when they play. Just sayin. n
March 20th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
#255 Man the score doesn’t determine on how good the coach is, the kids have to play the game and make the plays. A coach can make thousand or correct play calls, but if they aren’t executed, that’s means they are a bad coach?? I am not taking sides but just speaking the truth
March 20th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Island your son seems like a good guy. He’s just underachieving for the talent & situation he has.
That is the great thing about rivalries they are anybodies game. Even when Alameda was good Encinal was horribles they were still giving them good games. Just like the Cal Stanford game all that matters is who won the game. 30 years from now nobody is gonna care what happened or what the score was. It will just be 6 straight for Encinal.
If your son thinks he’s good for playing these games close & losing he’s a fool. If Tenorio is not satisfied for not blowing Alameda out he’s a moron.
March 20th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Island Chief, I only supply the facts- I was not manking an excuse for BHS not having Carter on sidelines, other blogger was. I believe Carter would have cost his team even more with emotional outbursts with the destruction DeLa gave out that nite!
March 20th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
“BigDog”
What are you talking about??? The yelling that Coach Carter doses seems to be working! He wins wherever he goes.
What was Berkeley High’s record before he got there?
What was Contra Costa’s record before he got there?
What was McClymonds recored before he got there?
He is the best coach in the area and he dosen’t get the credit that he deserves.
March 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
if eagles hang with chickens how do they learn 2 fly
if u fill ur own cup of trouble know when 2 spill it!!!
March 20th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Carter cannot sustain success, when he leaves the program falls apart. Mack on a up-tick the last several years. Part of that success was illegal recruiting which he has been caught at Mack and BHS.
Those are facts. He is doing a remarkable job at CCC due to the fact he has got a lot of out of state players. That’s good news for CCC because they were on the bottom for years. If Carter leaves, that connection goes with him and CCC is back to the dogpile. Musical chairs dont work, you have to establish and leave programs intact with good training and leadership.
March 20th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
@ 260…Mr Chalk-T, you inspire my inner Confucious:
man who run behind car, get exhausted
crowded elevator smell different to short man
man who fart in church sit in own pew !!
March 20th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Carter has never one the big game. NCS owned him. Most of his great McClymonds teams we filled with players that he recruited from other high school programs.
March 20th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
man who run behind car, get exhausted
man who run in front of car, get tired
March 20th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Coach Carter is a real mensch. He is a good guy who looks out for his players. He deserves his job at CCC. BHS lost not only a good coach, but a good role model. Let’s hope Barnes can provide that.
March 21st, 2013 at 3:55 pm
“Big Dog” you didn’t answer any of my questions…
Coach Carter has sent more athletes to college than any othere coach in the whole Bay Area and that includes DLS and Bishop O’Dowd.
March 21st, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Not sure if Carter is the best coach in the Bay, but he is great at what should be his #1 priority…….sending his kids to the next level wherever he is. As far as sending more kids than anyone else to the next level??? He’s got a long way to go to catch up to Beam.
Island Chief???
What games do you watch? Moyer is a nice guy, and may turn out to be a great coach someday, but why do you have such a hard on to compare him to Tenorio? Tenorio has earned his hype. When you put him down, it makes you lose all credibility…..if you ever had any?
March 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm
#267 Carter made a habit of stealing the best players from other schools that have been already been developed. I remember he raped Fremont from many championships by stealing the Vital Brothers.
March 23rd, 2013 at 4:07 am
Carter is great recruiter who is very talented in the gift of gab…There was time in the early to mid-2000′s that any team that struggled but had a great player would end up on the Mack campus (ask El Cerrito and St. Marys especially)…From the Vital brothers, to David Gray, Mario Cox, Naderis Ward, Josh Tatum to name a few off hand, how many of the big name guys on his teams started on other campuses? Also Carter won ONE Silver Bowl while Beam was at Skyline…And on the topic of recruiting, how many of the Mack players actually went through all of the signing day fanfare but never made to the campuses they supposedly signed to? To his credit, he took advantage of an OAL that doesn’t administer eligibility and transfer rules evenly throughout its league, some kids would transfer within the same league and play against their old school within weeks while others who make bonafide hardship moves have to wait for hearings, at which the administrators are in no hurry to schedule at times…
Simple question, what was Mack’s record against the good NCS progams? When the were even able to schedule games with them?
Before we anoint the man as Jesus in cleats lets take a look at the whole body of work…And Barnes is turning out to be a poor man’s model of Carter.
The person who should be given credit for his longevity and willingness to stick through good and bad times is Coach Edwards over at Tech. He never bailed on his kids when lean years came and enjoyed success when he had very good teams. Plus he has sent he fair share of players to college too.
March 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am
# 266, you must be kidding. DLS is sending anywhere from 5- 10 players a year to college football. They are the all-time leaders in players to college in the Bay Area. Check out the Times Dream Team stats. DLS has also sent football players to play other sports in major college programs, baseball, rugby, track, lacrosse, etc.
Your own OAL supporters are ripping Carter because of the illegal recruiting from other OAL teams and others.
Get a clue. Nice guy, overated, should have stuck to rapping.
March 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am
What kinda want to be philosophical garbage was that Chalk Talk?
March 25th, 2013 at 5:18 am
THOSE WITH SIMPLE MINDS HAVE SIMPLE THOUGHTS
deliberations are not ur strong points
March 25th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
#269. Very good points. All of them right on, I would say. I always wondered why I never saw those Mack kids on the college rosters a couple years later. Possibly, Carter did his job, but the student athletes didn’t do what it took to stay in college? Just guessing.
And BigDog, in the 80s and early 90s Beam sent more Skyline kids to play football in College than DLS. At least an equal amount. In fact, Skyline sent tons of kids to play pro or college baseball, college or pro basketball, as well as college track.
March 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
EB, yes but their totals aren’t near DLS now. DLS more football players to pros than anyone else in the bay. You know that.
March 25th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
“Big Dog” get your facts right! Carter has sent over 100 players to college over the past ten years. He had fourteen last year at Contra Costa College. As far as his X’s and O’s answer my questions.
1. What was Berkeley High’s record before Coach Carter got there?
2. What was Mcclymonds record before Contra Costa College Coach Carter got there?
3. What was Contra Costa College record before Coach Carter got there?
March 25th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
Big Dog & EB Prep Fan you have no clue what you’re talking about? Also you guys don’t make any sense! How can you compare Carter as a Football Coach to De La Salle Football, Lacrosse, Baseball, Track,etc. You guys sound like a bunch of haters. It’s documented from 2000-2008 Coach Carter as a Football Coach has put more Div 1 players in college more than Beam & Ladouceur! No disresepct to either Coach but go back and compare the Facts in the Contra Costa Times Cream of the Crop arcives and you’ll see that. Also Big Dog another fact you have wrong in #261 is after Carter left Mack the following year Mack won the Silver Bowl with the players left in the program & Berkeley High beat James Logan in the NCS Playoffs & made it to the 2nd round just like Carter did in his last year. Now it’s not his fault if the coaches didn’t maintain the porgrams with blue print that he left behind. Every coach has the right to run there program how they want to. Also in the last 2 years so far Carter has more players go Div 1 in JC Football in Nor Cal right up there with SF City, DVC & American River. I really think instead of hating on the man we should celebrate & congradulate the many accomplishments that he has done so far. He just received Coach of the Year at CCC. Also not only has Carter impacted kids at Berk Hs & Mack he has helped many players from all over the Bay Area get scholarships including Sklyline & De La Salle….Ding, Ding Round Over cause Iron Mike has just knocked both of you guys out with the FACTS!
March 26th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
I am looking at the cream of the crop right now. I sure dont see what you are saying. A lot of the Mack players never played at the colleges they choose. I know several but am not going to use names. Carter is a good recruiter, never said he wasn’t. Also remember a lot of those who moved on went JC, not 4 yr. schools.
March 26th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
effort with no talent is a day-DREAM LIL PUPPY
TIME 4 U 2 WAKE UP stop hitting the snooze button. Based on your previous rants you sound like an angry, racist washed up, has been who’s jealous that the goat wont come play with you. Poor lil puppy. To be frank you were nothing but a slow, undersized linebacker from NYC. New York City!?! Say it aint so!! Get a rope!!
March 26th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
If JB is the new Berkeley HS coach, congrats to him!
The Berkeley job is unique in the sense that it is a NCS school with an inner city influence.
Administration and parental support isn’t as prevalent as one would think for a school that size. The coaching stipend isn’t that much. The facilities are still under construction. But through all that, if JB assembles a decent staff and is an efficent, organized leader he will win at Berkeley. Youth football is big in the Berkeley/Oakland area, so he will have a talent pool of kids. Berkeley supporters will have to be patient to allow JB time to undo Sims’ community relations damage he created within the program-student relations. Also in two years after the new facilities are complete, Berkeley should attract alot move fan/game support.
Sims’ downfall at Berkeley wasn’t so much about the X’s & O’s it was more about his lack of preparation, staff organization and being truthful with the kids. He just wasn’t a good leader of men !
March 26th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
carter is about as good as president jimmy carter, and we all know how that was. weak ass b.s., however he has found his niche at contra costa, power on.
March 26th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Iron Mike
Maybe you didn’t take the time to read my comments, but I wasn’t hating on Carter. In fact, I said that he is great at what should be his #1 priority…getting kids to a 4 yr school. At CCC I don’t think anyone an argue with his results. But now that you bring it up, what happened to all those D1 signed kids that never even made it to the campus from Mack? And also don’t forget that Coach Beam helped a bunch of OAL kids get rides as well that didn’t attend Skyline.
March 27th, 2013 at 8:00 am
dont confuse being a great coach with being a great manager MANAGING SKILLS ARE OFTEN OVER LOOKED IN THE COACHING WORLD
March 27th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
An organization is as good as it’s weakest link.
Think of DLS as a good example with coaches working with freshman who are truly fresh – then think of OAL where the weakest link are the coaches at the top trying to coach the seniors.
Like #282 states, management is key – without great management skills you’re just out there havin’ fun.
But losing isn’t much fun.
March 27th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Why all this hating on Coach Carter. You guys talking about kids not enrolling in the school that they committed to, what about those that did finish college. I will name a few, Ishman Anderson (UCD)graduated a couple of years ago currently at UCLA Graduate program, schedule to graduate this year with his masters and coming back to MACK to Teach and Coach. Thomas Byrd, graduate a year and a half ago from Boise State currently a GA at Arkansas State. Derrick Hill Graduated three years ago from CAL. Kyle Reed graduated from San Jose State. There are many others. You outsiders are quick to criticize but don’t know what coaches like Zo, Beam, Delt, Denny, Isuma, Peters, and Goree do to motivate their student athletes to be better people. I know everyone has the right to their own opinion but at least have a grip on what you are talking about.
March 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Who yall think will win the Wacc foothill dividson?
March 27th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
To Be Honest Castro Valley or Encinal will Win league. Encinal had a young team last year that was a rebulding year for them and they made it to the 2nd round that nice and They had a freshmen RB Jordan parker and a sophomore Qb and a freshmen WR they going to be nice. castro valley going to be good to they got there 2 best Rb’s coming damariah lane and robert taylor i think thats going to be good for them so it’s between those 2 teams that will win league.
March 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
IDk 3oss. Berkeley has a lot coming back too. Not supper impressive athletes for what you would expect from B-high some good ones though but a lot of returners that usually makes a good team. CV will have a loaded back field but I think they lose all olineman atleast 4. Big deal in that offense. B-High top 2 atleast.
March 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
@ #281
Who were the non-Skyline kids Beam helpedto get scholarships back then?
March 28th, 2013 at 9:40 am
1) congrats to Coach Trotman
2) who is the new coach at Albany
3) if JB gets the job at Berkeley good for him.
4) if Thompson gets the job at Berkeley good for him.
5) Albany/Berkeley ADs get your kids a coach already
6) stop complaining about Carter
7) and dont compare JB and Carter because they dont compare
8) same for Coach P and Gumbs
9) its way to early to say who is who in whatever league
10) Patrick Cheek was the best RB at CV last year
11) congrats and good luck to Coach Byrd at castlemont
March 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Robert Taylor and Demariah(sp?)Lane are the best returning backs in the league. However, the best team in the league is going to be SL. Casey Moreno is the new DC there. That’s going to be bad news for everyone else.
March 28th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
TIME 4 A NEW SUBJECT
March 28th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
I am tired of hearing about Coach Carter. What has he done? Every time he plays a team with a good coach he looses…DLS, PITT, MONTE VISTA all have good coaches who beat Carter’s by forty points or more.
March 28th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
IRON MIKE###. How many players dose Coach Carter have in the NFL? Answer = o and that’s a Fact!
March 29th, 2013 at 6:23 am
Beam, Perenon and Coach Lad all have players in the NFL. Coach Carter doesn’t have any.
March 29th, 2013 at 9:33 am
I can see a 4 year scholarship having to do with you high school coach but a kid makes it to the NFL thanks to a high school coach? Come on man. If anything a player making it to the NFL shows how good those coaches had it.
March 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am
295. Perkin
in some cases the kid is just a stud. in other cases some guys who make it to the nfl comeback and thank the high school coach who had it good for teaching them the work ethic and dedication that allowed them to be succesful enough at the college level so they can get a sniff from the pros.
March 29th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Coach Carter’s has said that he has sent over One Hundred of his players to D1 schools? My question is why has there not been one to make it?
March 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
So a coach gets a kid as a Frosh. Freshmean year off-season is 2nd half of his 8th grade year he more or less meets him in training camp 9th grade. The kid, the coach, work, the coach has say over the kid cause the kid plays for his team monitors his off season(Now if these coaches are couselors, academic supervisors, tutors that should be included in addition to be a football coach,)for 3 off-seasons & 3 seasons. The player gets through the season in December 12th grade year then in February is eligible(or on track enough for the University) signs a D-1 scholarship. I don’t understand how anything that happens after that is any kind of the responsibility of the coach. He is no longer on his team. Kid signs in February then doesn’t make it look at that school, the kid, or his family before you could come after the coach. Kid signed in February coach did his job.
NFL athletes are the best of the best D-1 players. That what that means. They have the ability to be one of these kids that signed D-1, went to the next level & were the best of the best. Your ability size, speed, strength is more then likely beyond all the other D-1′s. Any coach that has that in high school has a gem. Delton Edward had Josh Johnson & Marshawn Lynch on the same team. So what does that mean he has something up on Carter? No it meant was the year he would beat Beam. lol I was shocked when I watched them lose to Pinole that year. Now looking back I don’t know how they could lose a game. Should of easily been undefeated.
March 29th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
#PERKIN
Josh Tatum/ N Ward / Kyle Reed from MACK all had size and the talent to make it. the job of a High School Coach doesn’t stop in high school. Just ask Beam, Perenon, Ladoucuer and Edwards. Those coaches stayed in the lives of there players. I am not “hatin” on Carter but he never keeps in touch of any of his players after the leave.
March 29th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Red& White how do you personally know that each of these coaches from different walks & areas do or don’t keep up with their players after High School? I’m sure you don’t. If anything thats 2nd or 3rd hand information. Even if you did personally know all these coaches I find it hard to believe that you’ve had that conversation with each of them. Come on man.
IF any of those first 3 players had NFL talent… I’m sure they’d be in the NFL. lol Can’t miss NFL talent usually doesn’t miss.
March 29th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Perkin, one could make the argument that a lot of kids learn their work ethic from such coaches in high school at an early age and get them accustomed to vigorous routines.
March 29th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
I dont agree with the argument though.. if this argument was valid Calcagno would probably be the best considering that he had quite a few guys go to the league and was the coach at SL for a much shorter amount of time.
Dixon
Underwood
Page … anyone else?
March 29th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
TJ I agree. My point was more I see Coach & Player practicing coaching side by side working towards a scholarship. BUt a Player goes away to a college more then likely out of the area for 4-5 years may have a conversation & a couple visits to say hi a year with his Coach, develops into NFL talent but something good or bad towards a High school Coach.
I really think the same about scholarships. D-1 talent is D-1 talent. Can’t teach it. I just saw that kid Geoff play in the Cal Scrimmage. Mazi did a great job. Especially with the offense they are going to run. But the talent is there. Thats what I understand these scouts are looking for D-1 talent. Give the Coach 15% credit for development but schools give scholarships for stuff High School coaches can’t teach. Same with most of these guys. Marshawn Lunch, Zach Ertz for example… Its D-1 talent the goods. You gotta be born with it. Coach can show you the door they have to go out there & do it.
March 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
#Perkin
I know that M.Lynch and J.Johnson always comes back to give camps at Tech.
I know that DJ Williams always comes back to DLS.
March 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
It is not Coach Carter’s fault.. He dose a great job by gettting his playes an opprotunity to go to college. Coach Carter trained Marhawn Lynch and Naamdi Asomugha before their NFL combine. He also worked with Javid Best.
So “Red&White” he has helped players get to the NFL
March 29th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Jimmy Rollins (HOF), Dontrelle Willis, Shomari Beverley
March 30th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Perkin,
I happen to agree with you on this. The high school coach teaches the sport, gets the kids in shape, trys to keep them on the right track and then maybe gets them recognition and college interest, but the rest is up to the kid. To personally hold a high school football coach responsible for a kid not making it in college or the pros it one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard in a while! We’re also talking about a coach in a program with very limited resources.
March 30th, 2013 at 7:53 am
I remember all of the hype that Hill,Tatum,Ward received during their high school years. Carter has the ability to hype up his players to a a point where everyone they are more hype than skill.
March 30th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
@ Red & White
I personally know coach Carter and I can tell you that the majority of those kids who made it to the NFL, especially those from OAL, have trained with Carter. Many bay area kids who are currently on scholarships now come and train with Cater during their winter and summer breaks. MACK Kids have had leauge shots but have not made it long term. Big SIR, (Oregon State) DT, played for the NY Giants practice sqaud for a few years. He has had players who have completed college and received their degrees, is that not a success ?
March 30th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
@ I See YOU
Did some checking. Carter never trained Marshawn Lynch.
March 30th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Enough about Carter. We all know he is the best coach in the Bay. Not!!!
March 30th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Hey RED&White,
Find another blog! It is very obvious that you have a personal problem with Coach Carter.
This blog is for positive comments that uplift coaches and players. We do not need your negativity.
March 30th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
This blog is for people to express themselves, so you’re gonna get a ton of opinions.
Regardless of who has more college kids, more pros, or is a better coach……Coach Carter is good for the kids because he seems to motivate them and move them on. Even if he recruited in high school (which any successful program does in one way or another), he seems to have a great impact on wins and losses. Now that he’s at CC, recruiting is part of his job……so it’s a perfect fit and he seems to be thriving! Good Luck!
March 31st, 2013 at 7:26 am
The monument of the imagination can be crippling in the wrong hands
yet in the hands of a wise man the Imagination will come to life…
March 31st, 2013 at 7:42 am
desire to compare wounds has nature and is filled with balance but equally one must acknowledge a scratch can be fatal…
March 31st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
My Top Ten Bay Area Football Coaches
1. Ladoucuer (the best high school football coach in the US )
2. Beam (OAL legend)
3. Perenon ( made the playoffs every year he was at Bishop O’Dowd )
4 Mcauley won three back to back championships with 23 players )
5. Bergman ( sends players to big D1 schools every year)
6 Sweeney (in the hunt every year with little talent)
7. Whittmer ( great teacher)
8. Kessler (solid program with a good staff)
9. Carter. ( good recruiter, never won the big game )
10 Casey. ( did a great job at Hayward )
March 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm
what teams seem 2 underachieve year n and year out
March 31st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
I’d put Sweeny number 2 and throw Cronin (CN), Murphy (CV), and Tenorio (Encinal) in the top 10 too. I’d take Carter off but he’s the bay’s all time best at getting kids in college and is exactly where he needs to be at a community college. Beam off (great recruiter tho). Perenon has rings but should’ve made a de la salle out of Odowd so he’s an under achiever in my opinion.
March 31st, 2013 at 2:36 pm
And take Mcauly off. Not even top 20. Two OAL silver bowls in this era doesn’t mean much.
March 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm
EBFootball
I agree with you points except for Carter. He deserves to be in the top ten!
April 1st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Wow, how did this article go from Coach Trotman being brought into San Lorenzo to all of this (OAL football, Coach Barnes at Berkley, etc.)? While I am not a big fan of getting off subject of the article, I can see that everyone has strong and passionate opinions about East Bay football, which is good.
Also, it’s kind of funny to see that this article, which I first commented in back in the middle of February, is still getting comments into April, lol! I guess I must have started this big discussion.
April 2nd, 2013 at 6:50 am
The fans just cant wait for football season. People barely spoke about basketball this past season. Football is what everyone loves!
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 am
Is this an all time list? Beam isn’t even in high school anymore??? But if its all time, the list would lose credibility if he wasn’t on it relative to some of the other names on it.
April 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 am
he’s #2 … And Calcagno would be #3 on that list.
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Why so High for Calcagno? Never one a ring & those years d-1 couldn’t field 8 teams. Great coach though.
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Kravitz is on list with multi NCS titles and top 10 lister recruited to the next level. Too bad he’s not HC.
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:59 pm
If he didnt have to play DLS.. he would have about 5 lol
Those other coaches would have 0 as well.. Perenon would have nothing. Mccauley would be a nobody. Carter wouldnt have one either.
April 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
But remember.. he was in a public school that would embarrass O’Dowd year after year. Perenon is currently #3. He would beat Serra, Monte Vista, SRV and Foothill as well. Just couldnt beat Ladoceur. He was able to send multiple people to the college level and a few of them went pro and he did it in such a short time. The reason I put Beam on top of him is because Beam was able to maintain that level of success for such a long period of time where Cal I think was at SL for 6-7 years. I feel I have a good argument for Calcagno.
Not in love with the dude.. just I think he deserve a little more respect than just being left out of the *very unofficial* poll altogether lol
April 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
oh btw.. I think SL played Skyline a few times in that time as well.. beat them too
April 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
He hading in cranking at SL no doubt. Built a 1-9 team to great heights. Had a 6th period PE, Crusader pipeline(which I think isn’t allowed to practice or some stipulation due to how well they were being recruited to SL I mean this in a positive way) all the making of a team with the situation to win an NCS championship. He should of one one of those.
Much like Cal High & Pitt has now. One of these teams should of got it done one of those years. Cal & Sl got pretty close. Did great.
April 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Had it.
April 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
How do you think BHS will do under Barnes? How is JB at getting kids recruited?
April 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 pm
#316 Are you serious???
Carter should not be on the list at all. Every NCS team he ever played while he was the coach at McClymonds he lost. While he was at Berkeley High he lost by almost 60 to DLS and by 40 to Monte Vista.
Beam and McCauley beat beat NCS teams.
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Top 10 should go like this
1. Ladoucouer-DeLaSalle
2. Bergman-Monte Vista
3. Beam-Skyline
4. Sweeney-Foothill
5. Perenon-O’Dowd
6. Gali-Pittsburg
7- Carter-Mack/Berkeley Hs
8- Calcagno-San Leandro
9- Tenorio-Encinal
10-Longero-Los Lomas
Now that’s a real Top 10…#316 I don’t know how you even have McCaulley in the top 10? I heard there is a big rumor that he got fired at McClymonds plus he’s automatically disqualified cause he went 0-10 his first year as a Head Coach at Oakland High School playing in the weak OAL. No way he should be mentioned on this list he’s like Tone Loc (Wild Thing) he was a One Hit Wonder! Also Casey Moreno is overatted also from Hayward High. He never played anybody also. The 925 area code rules this list all day! Real Football Go Spartans, Go Falcons, Go Mustangs, & Go Pirates
Another Coach that could also be on this list is Kravitz from San Ramon Valley & Sanchez from Cal High
April 2nd, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Billeci at Cal high has a better record than Sanchez did and is 5-0 vs. Sweeney at Foothill since taking over in 2009. He has also played DLS as tough as anyone including the onside kick game in 2010 and 27-14 this year. He is 2-2 vs. Bergman while Cal had only beaten MV twice ever in the school’s history (Sanchez & Tubbs once each) prior to 2009. Plus, he is 4-1 vs. SRV and 1-0 vs. Pitt. But I don’t think either Sanchez or Billeci coached enough games to be on this list just yet. Kravitz sure belongs on it though.
April 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Yes you’re right Billeci has done a Great Job at Cal High and could very well be on this list. He’s another one of my are code 925 coaches that will run circles around any Coach in the OAL especially the Fired McCaully or who ever else the OAL wants to Bring to the Table. The Only OAL Coaches that I give some credit to was Carter & Beam but both of them are gone now to JC but while coaching they put alot of kids in college & won alot of games so I can’t take that away from them. Coach Zuber James Logan also has done a pretty good job along with Coach Wittmer Washington Hs
April 2nd, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Wolfman
Carter should not be on the list at all. Whenever he went up against any coaches on the list this was the outcome.
De La Salle 50 Berkeley 0
Monte Vista 48 Berkeley 19
James Logan 37 Berkeley 0
Foothill 30 Berkeley 7
Deer Valley 24 Berkeley 0
Pittsburg 35 Berkeley 12
April 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Wolfman
I forgot one. Beam at Skyline beat Carter at Mack 49 -0
April 2nd, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Red & White like I said I’m not a Big Carter Fan either but let’s give the man a little credit. I did go back and do some research and it’s funny how you left off that yes Beam beat Carter in ’02 49-0 but in ’01 Carter beat Beam twice both in the regular season and the Silver Bowl and yes Logan Beat Berk 37-0 but the following year under Carter Berk Hs beat Logan @ Berk Hs also yeas my Pitt team beat Berk but the following year Berk Hs beat Pitt @ Berk Hs I was there and Deer Valley beat Berk Hs 14-12 & I think 21-16 but never 24-0 under Carter so I don’t know where you’re getting you info? Like I said earlier I’m about the 925 schools so it really doesn’t matter but it’s pretty obvious that Red & White you’re a Sklyine guy!
April 3rd, 2013 at 5:16 am
THE TRUTH MEASUREMENT OF UR COACHING ABILITY is HOW WELL U DO WITHOUT AS STACKED team
April 3rd, 2013 at 7:56 am
How about Macy at Campo. Only east bay public to go to state and I don’t think they had any d1 scholarship players. Competitive year in and year out without the athletes or big roster.
April 3rd, 2013 at 8:03 am
And move Tenorio up. He turned around an average program and with only 25 kids made them a power.
April 3rd, 2013 at 11:00 am
What would be the top 10 programs in the 510 vs the top 10 programs in the 925?
April 3rd, 2013 at 11:14 am
Just using the past 5 years I say,
510:
1. Logan
2. Encinal
3. Salesian
4. Berkeley
5. O’Dowd
6. Mack
7-10. El Cerrito (but they haven’t been consistent the past 5), SL (but last year they were terrible), Washington (But they haven’t been very good against good teams), Maybe Pinole??
925:
1. DLS
2-4. SRV/Pitt/CAL (In any order)
5. CAMPO
6. Concord
7. Monte Vista
8. Freedom
9. Foothill
10. Miramonte
That’s a pretty big difference. Someone should do a case study as to why there is such disparity. Does it have to do with urbanization? Socio-economic differences? Liberal vs. conservative worldview? Religiousity? Loss or possession of communal identity?
It’s either that those things have positive/negative impacts on high school football or that all the good players and coaches live in the 925. Which I find hard to buy.
April 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 am
ya Macy deserves props.
April 3rd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
#335 Prep Fan
Billeci has shown that he can build good teams but from the gate he took over a pretty loaded program ready to succeed for 1-2 seasons. Sanchez established the program which had never had a football personality to playing out of state teams & becoming a DLS rival game. Billeci Should of done better the first year. IOt would be like giving Bowers credit when SL kept rolling.
BUt he’s done it. Sanchez is long gone & Cal is going strong.
April 3rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
@335-6, True, Cal has had great success. Agree that 5 years plus is minimum requirement. Sanchez resurrected a bottom feeder program by year 3 of 5. Billeci inherited a very good thing. Being a DC at Logan one’d think Cal’s D would’ve been better in his year 4. That semi vs Logan was a blowout. Some coaches don’t want prep stars in order to tout their coaching resume, whereas others win AND work the phones to the next level. Those guys deserve a listing. Prep Fan, is it true Cal will now have their fourth line coach in 5 years?
April 3rd, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Sanchez clearly had a much harder road in taking the bottom feeder that had been Cal to NCS elite status. No question there. I was just pointing out that Billeci has a better record and that at some point you have to give him credit for being 5-0 against a great coach like Sweeney. Not many people not named Lad have that kind of edge over Sweeney. This year everyone predicted Foothill with all their D1 horses would win the EBAL, and Cal who had been predicted to come in 5th by many, mopped up the floor with them twice en route to an NCS semi final berth. The Cal high line coach might as well be the 49er OC or Raiders HC the past decade with a new face every year.
April 3rd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I believe he is one of the best coaches around based on his overall resume, but when is the last quality win for Sweeney? Maybe MV in 2009. His record the last 4 years is not very good. The weak non league games he keeps scheduling are not helping.
April 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Carter? I dont know fellas. Stealing away good players from struggling public schools isnt all that cool. For example N. Ward should of went to school in Alameda like his cousin Kevin Ward. There are more…
April 3rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Alameda High employed coaches just to recruit their kids. Not even football minded people either. Thats not right.
April 3rd, 2013 at 10:17 pm
#347… Are you suggesting that Billechi isn’t advocating for his players in order to build his resume? You can’t be serious. Johnson had mulitple offers this year. WHo else do you think was D1 worthy? The only other playmakers I saw in the 3 Cal games this year was #5 and the QB… both of which are juniors. And Cal High has the best O line outside of De La so whatever Billechi and company are doing seems to be working
April 3rd, 2013 at 11:30 pm
That’s been the knock on coach B for some time now. For all the Grizz’ sucess, Johnson is the only player in his 4 years that was actively recruited and earned a D1 full ride. Trevor Taft from the 2010 team walked on at Nevada and got some playing time this year after red shirting in 2011. #5 and the QB are both solid players but size may hinder them at the next level. The Cal line should be a big positive again in 2013.
April 4th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Yeah don’t get the knock on the Cal Olines. They kick ass. If the line coach chacnges every year then that is a huge positive on how Billeci builds his program.
April 4th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
PERKIN
In the 925 and at Cal High they have money to by the “enhancers”. I hear they might have the same hook up as Rodger Clemens A-Rod and Barry Bonds. Lol
April 5th, 2013 at 7:53 am
does anyone know y the texas kids have been in pads since early march and California players cant even throw a ball
April 5th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Balco. haha
Hope not but never know. I heard the same about Clovis East when Murphy was there.
April 5th, 2013 at 9:35 am
CIF rules. Texas follows the NCAA timeline i think
April 5th, 2013 at 11:12 am
#358 “CIF rules.” Really? Nice triple play on words.
BTW, when many of the high school players in Texas are going on 19, then perhaps NCAA rules should apply…
Or is it that the NCAA follows the Texas timeline?
April 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am
you sound distressed paydirt.
April 5th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
How so TJ? Poor levity perhaps, but no distress on this side other than the low pay grade.
April 5th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
haha.. man i hear you on that.
April 6th, 2013 at 8:40 am
i think most coaches pay 2 coach with gas prices the way they r plus the mileage put on ur car this is volunteer work SO U GOTTA LUV IT… ALOT OF PARENTS HOLD THEIR KIDS BACK THESE DAY SO THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IN SPORTS AND ACADEMICS… jason kid good ex. half retarded got into cal — st jo education so 19 must b the way 2 go lmao
April 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am
half retarded? intelligence is relative. he’s a genius on the court and got paid like a mutha for it. what kind of job will european history get you?
April 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
san lorenzo will lose more games than win
April 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
let address the mentality of the coach at RUTGERS coaches across this great country abuse their power. IS A KICK IN THE ASS MOTIVATION OR NOT.
April 6th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
HOW THE NEW COACHES WILL DO:
SAN LORENZO 1-9 BAD HIRE…
SKYLINE 6-4 A LOT OF RETURNERS
CASTLEMONT 3-7 OLD SCHOOL COACH
MCCLYMONDS 5-5 TOUGH PRE-SEASON WINS OAL
ARROYO 2-8 TALENT LEFT WITH JB
April 6th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
What bout Barnes at B-high?
April 6th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
What about Piedmont, Berkeley, and Liberty?
April 6th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
SORRY I FORGOT ABOUT
Berkeley 9-1 A lot of returning players who will play for JB.
Piedmont 0 -10 Lack of talent with an inexperienced coach.
Liberty 4 -6 Pitt & Freedom are still getting the top players.
April 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am
I See You @ #370,
I think you lose some credibility saying Berkeley goes 9-1. We know they have several tough league games and Pitt. I don’t know their other non-league games, but likely includes Logan and Monte Vista. You can tell me they have good kids coming back and you can tell me JB is a good coach, but all that doesn’t add up to 9-1 with wins over the likes of Logan, Pitt, Monte Vista, etc. I’d say 6-4 is likely, 7-3 would be a monster year.
I also don’t think Piedmont goes 0-10. I admit that I don’t have any information about their current team or coach, but their sports programs in general are pretty strong and I just don’t see them dropping to those depths. Especially not if league teams like San Lorenzo and Arroyo are expected to be weak. I’d expect 3-7 and would predict they start to gain some steam in the next couple of years as they have some big kids coming up.
Chalktalk @ #366,
A kick in the ass for motivation once and a while is OK, but the Rutgers situation was a case of systematic abuse. No one should have to tolerate that on a sports team, in a relationship, anywhere!
April 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
WACC Predictions
Foothill Division
1.Berkeley (8-2)
2. Said Leandro (6-4)
3. Hayward (6-4)
4. Bishop O’Dowd (5-5)
5. Castro Valley (3-7)
Shoreline Division
1. Tennyson 6-4
2. San Lorenzo (4-6)
3. Piedmont (3-7)
4. MT Eden (2-8)
5. Arroyo (1-9)
Base off Rosters and schedules
April 7th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
HAAL2007,
I guess its going to be a bad year for the island of Alameda! You’ve got Encinal and Alameda in the cellar for their respective divisions.
I can see a case for Encinal having another tough year; their 6-6 finish while respectable was benefited by some down teams in their division (San Leandro, Berkeley). This year if Hayward and Castro Valley are good, and O’Dowd may be down but I doubt they’ll be terrible, Encinal goes 2-3 in league and 3-2 out of league – at best! I guess they could be in the cellar, but I doubt it. Encinal will have a better offense, but their defense won’t be able to save their bacon like last year. All in all, I think they go 5-5 or 4-6. The hangover from the BSAL years isn’t going to go away that easily!
Alameda on the other hand, I just don’t see. They had a good JV and got some varsity talent coming back. And again, in a weak league that some seem to think will be weaker. I’d say they should go 6-4 and challenge Tennyson for the title. Of course, I thought they’d be better last year also!!
April 7th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Encinal’s BSAL years weren’t THAT bad recently, were they? They included a NCS title and 3 appearances in the Finals? Not to mention a couple thrashings of the Mats….. Including one game when they rattled off about 128 unanswered points after spotting a 14 pt early lead! My how quickly we forget…..
April 8th, 2013 at 2:30 am
My dumb self
Encinal I will put them 5-5
Alameda I will put them 4-6
April 8th, 2013 at 7:20 am
MIRAMAN
systematic abuse huh
if u cant handle a coach throwing a ball at ur head or a kick in the ass how will u react when some one elbows u in the throat or steps on ur hand with cleats on and twist tearing a patch out ur hand or sticking a finger in ur eye.. IF U REMEMBER SPORT WAS 4 THE DAMMED,,,
got that from watching Spartacus!!!
PREPARE UR KIDS 4 WAR NOT 2 PLAY WITH DOLLS
CUZ BETWEEN THOSE LINES ALL BETS R OFF
WINNING ANIT EVER THING ITS THE ONLY THING
April 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am
CHALKTALK – get professional help, NOW.
April 8th, 2013 at 8:04 am
@HAAL07
Whats your case for Hayward & SLZ being good? Same talent year in & out more or less. The guy at the helm really needs to straighten things out for them to be better talking scheme wise. Saw the tail end of 2 JV games last year & they ran a much better O. He really killed his guys with the stuff he runs.
SLZ? This blog likes to talk a lot about changing the culture. They really need it there & that guy Wright is still on campus. Don’t know if Coach Trot is that guy.
Castro Valley I thing atleast 5-5 if not 6-4. Talent is coming back in the backfield. Maybe better then SL.
April 8th, 2013 at 8:59 am
WACC Predictions, Berkeley and Encinal will be the top two teams considering how good they were with youth in 2012 IMO. Tennyson is the top dog is the lower division but Alameda has most talented roster. The upper league will be better as a whole this season.
Foothill
1. Berkeley- Hope Sims don’t blow it. This team is stacked with experience.
2. Encinal- Young and hungry. Coach T says they should be good and I believe him.
3. O’Dowd- Lost a bunch but they always have talent to reload. May end at 2.
4. San Leandro- Stud QB with plenty of talent around but the scheme is horrible.
5. Castro Valley- Lost OL to graduation but best backfield in league coming back.
6. Hayward- I just dont see it as of now. Long year.
Shoreline
1. Tennyson- I see noone beating them in league.
2. Alameda- Potential is always there. Maybe this is the year.
3. MT Eden- We’ll see what happens. I don’t think they stay here.
4. Arroyo- Lost coach and solid players. Long year.
5. Piedmont- Who knows what going to happen. I think they could turn heads by jumping to 3.
6. San Lorenzo- The talent is there. Is coach Trot the right choice?
April 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am
HAAL2007, Who are the wins a losses to in Wacc play? Your predictions and records are interesting.
April 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
MiraMan, You must hate Encinal because you dog them every chance you get. What makes you believe they will be so down this season? “Hangover from the BSAL years” is a very laughable statement. Lol. What does that mean?
April 8th, 2013 at 9:13 am
WACC Predictions
Foothill Division
1.Berkeley (8-2) JB will make some noise with a lot of returners and great coaching staff
2.San Leandro (7-3) Will rebound from last year
3.Encinal(6-4) Coach Tenorio had young team last year, but will challenge Berkeley and San Leandro for title.
4. Hayward (6-4) Should be above average
5.Castro Valley (4-6) Darkhorse
6.Bishop O’Dowd (4-6) Coach Nickerson will have tough season, a lot of players lost to graduation. But JV team was really good last year.
Shoreline Division
1.Alameda-(7-3) A lot of key returners, Doss and Muhammed will tear the league up.
2 Tennyson (6-4) Defending champs lost a lot of players, but will still pose threat to repeat.
3. Mt. Eden (5-5) Darkhorse, I think Perenon will motivate the team to compete for league.
4.Arroyo (4-6) Young team last year, a lot of returners coming back. The big question, how will they rebound from losing JB
5 San Lorenzo (3-7) New coach, New field, but same losing ways. Only team they could beat in league is Piedmont. Not sure,if Troutman will be able to turn things around.
6. Piedmont (2-8) This will be DOWN year for Piedmont,they will be lucky to win 1 game in league. Losing the entire coaching staff from last year,including JV coach that went 9-1, and graduating 19 seniors. Their best chance of wins are in preseason vs. Albany and Richmond High School. @Justin Siena, @ Moreau, @ Healdsburg
April 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am
@Wacc fan
Should Alameda be in the A League?
April 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
#382 piedmont beating justin siena – what u smokin?
April 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Encinal will go 9-1 or 8-2 they was young last year and they got alot of talent to. Better watch out for these cats man because they coming.
April 8th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
@ EB Football
I think Alameda should move up to A league, if they win the league this year.
@OAL Fan
My comment states that Piedmont has the best chance at wins vs. Albany and Richmond High. 3 of the their pre-season road games are @Justin Siena, Moreau, and Healdsburg. My prediction is that Piedmont will get blown out.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Encinal is going to win league they going 8-2 or 9-1 this year. Better watch these kids this year because they coming!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
ygnacio valley may be improved this year…
April 8th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
ManDown & EB Prep,
I really don’t have a big problem with Encinal. Why do Encinal fans get so defensive when someone has the audacity to suggest they may go 5-5, or God forbid, 4-6? Half the football universe goes 5-5 or worse. I was unaware that Encinal was exempt from the powers of the universe!
The BSAL comment was thrown in for fun and to suggest that the past teams, great as they were, would not have had the W-L records they had if they had been in a tougher league. Is 6-6 a “down year” or just the new reality?? My guess is that 5-5 becomes a lot more common especially if you keep scheduling Serra in pre-league. In terms of next year, I’ll be a bigger believer in Encinal if your QB can throw more completions than INTs!!
April 8th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
@OALFan YV storied history. Any reason?
@Miraman hahaha yeah QB with a positive TD to Int ratio would help. More Int’s then Completions. hahaha Man that is horrible. I think Encinal is playing Serra next year. I heard they will be playing them for a while.
April 8th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
W 12-11 Aptos (CA) 1 3 .333 15 1 11
09/21 W 34-8 Vallejo (CA) 3 8 .375 37 1 13
09/28 W 22-15 Alameda (CA) 1 5 .200 9 1 0
10/05 L 0-16 Bishop O’Dowd (CA) 6 15 .400 65 1 26
10/12 L 7-14 Berkeley (CA) 2 7 .286 31 1 1 46
10/19 L 6-27 Castro Valley (CA) 2 8 .250 42 1 9
10/26 W 25-21 San Leandro (CA) 3 9 .333 31 2 5
11/02 W 32-7 Hayward (CA) 2 5 .400 43 2 32
11/10 W 22-21 Novato (CA) 3 8 .375 21 2 6
11/16 L 14-40 Cardinal Newman (CA) 2 9 .222 16 2 0
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Rushing
Date Result Opponent Car Yds Avg Y/G Long TD
Totals 84 162 1.93 14.7 42 3
Graph [+] [+] [+] [+] [+]
08/31 W 12-11 Aptos (CA) 8 7 .88
09/14 L 7-56 Serra (San Mateo, CA) 1 0 .00
09/21 W 34-8 Vallejo (CA) 5 -4 -.80
09/28 W 22-15 Alameda (CA) 9 27 3.00
10/05 L 0-16 Bishop O’Dowd (Oakland, CA) 10 -30 -3.00
10/12 L 7-14 Berkeley (CA) 5 25 5.00
10/19 L 6-27 Castro Valley (CA) 7 -3 -.43
10/26 W 25-21 San Leandro (CA) 7 67 9.57 42 1
11/02 W 32-7 Hayward (CA) 9 27 3.00 1
11/10 W 22-21 Novato (CA) 8 5 .63
11/16 L 14-40 Cardinal Newman (Santa Rosa, CA) 15 41 2.73 1
Scoring
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Scoring
Date Result Opponent Tot Pts P/G PAT TD Conv FG S
Totals 18 1.6 3
Graph [+] [+]
10/26 W 25-21 San Leandro (CA) 6 1
11/02 W 32-7 Hayward (CA) 6 1
11/16 L 14-40 Cardinal Newman (CA) 6 1
April 8th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
I’m not saying Encinal is the greatest but I know they seem to compete with the best. Even though they’ve been in the BSAL, they competed with Serra very tough and beat some big time teams in the playoffs every year. Sorry but I don’t see them being 5-5. I do agree they will have a tough road ahead next year as the league should be more competive. I like Berkeley with Barnes taking over. Sims blew it and never got it done. I don’t know if Barnes was the answer but he will get players to come play for him and run a pretty good scheme on offense and defense.
April 8th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
ManDown,
I don’t disagree with you, but if you look back at last year, I think most people were predicting Hayward finishing 1-9 and 0-5 in league. They shocked a few teams and finished 4-6 and 2-3 in league. Why would they take a backward step? It would seem that a young head coach during his 3rd season in will either maintain or take another step forward.
However, that’s a tough league to figure out. Who beats who? Encinal, CV, BOD, Hayward, SL, Berkeley.
It’s going to be fun to watch.
April 8th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
The best coaching talks to u like crap when u dont
pro-from up to ur ability then they build u up again a kick in the ass can wake ur game up B4 IT GET ALL THE WAY WOKE UP. throwing a ball at a head can wake u up 4 sure I’v SEEN THE COACH LOCK THE STAR PLAYER IN A LOCKER 4 THE FIRST 5 MIN OF THE SECOND HAlf 4 being an individual ” here u want 2 b an individual now ur all by urself asshole.” an we all walked out. kid was motivated 4 the rest of the season.
April 8th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Hayward lost all their best players and I don’t see them having a good year. They had a shot last year for playoffs and I just don’t see them finishing better than 4-6 this year. We will see how good of a coach Remeder is if he gets his team to win more games than he did last year. I think we will continue to see more of what we seen this year with the Wacc (A-league), each game will be kind of a toss up with who will win. I like the fact that all the teams in the league are very physical and there were some hard hitting games on the field of play with every game I went to.
April 8th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Chalktalk,
First of all, an effective communicator can communicate with a player by talking, not by throwing something at them. Throwing stuff at people is for punks. I don’t understand how you think a coach can get respect if he doesn’t show it!
Second, physical contact with a player by a coach, especially if the player is a minor, is assault – a crime you may be familiar with.
I understand that in the heat of the moment things happen, name calling, grabbing a kid to get his attention, and I can let that kind of stuff slide if its the exception. But its not generally acceptable behavior and certainly should not be confused with good coaching.
I got a funny feeling you won’t be on the short list for any coaching positions coming open…
April 8th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
violence is the most primitive from of communication everyone and most everything understands violence
I CAN TELL U NOT 2 DO SOMETHING BUT IF u get knock out when u wake up the picture will be clear lmao…
April 9th, 2013 at 12:46 am
today I met this guy He was talking about his sons they are Twins from Arroyo High Are transfer To Tennyson or Berkeley.
Wow
April 9th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Can anyone explain why there is this unwaivering faith in JB?
April 9th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Encinal schedule is up looks like the same teams as last year:
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/encinal-jets-(alameda,ca)/football/schedule.htm
@Miraman & HAAL2007 get on Coach Schram & Coach Barnes to post their schedules.
I really don’t understand how you guys are predicting records especially non league when you don’t really know the schedules. lol
April 9th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Ain’t no tone ransferto Berkeley I don’t know where y’all get your information from just be cool off that
April 9th, 2013 at 9:43 am
BHS Schedule 2013
Washington (SF) High
Monte Vista High
San Mateo High
Pittsbrug High
James Logan
Hayward High
Encinal High
San Leandro
Bishop O’Dowd
Castro Valley High
April 9th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Washington(SF) & San Mateo Barnes chose those teams? Weak. Berkeley is gonna have talent next year. Already playing 2 DIII’s & 1 DII in league which will help them do nothing. Say what you want about Simms or Bowers(except Dublin) last year but playing those Good DI’s is what you have to do. McMaster’s schedule was also pretty good.
April 9th, 2013 at 11:27 am
#401 is right.
schedule does not look challenging – that’s not going to help come playoff time.
April 9th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Perkin,
Miramonte has pre-league:
Marin Catholic @ MC
St. Mary’s @ Mira
Analy @ Analy
Alameda @ Mira
League games are posted on DFAL website.
The only difference from last year (other than home/away) is drop Eureka in week 1 and pick up St. Mary’s. My understanding is that Eureka didn’t want to honor the two-year deal and travel to Miramonte to play. Could be because of coaching change or money.
The problem that Miramonte has next year is their three and possibly four toughest games are away: Marin Catholic, Analy, Campo and Alhambra. (Yea, I picked Alhambra to be good last season and they finished 3-7, so who knows, but I’m still thinking they’ll be tough).
I think Las Lomas, Acalanes and Dubblin will take a step back next year, so Miramonte should be able to win those at home plus St. Mary’s and Alameda. Only other away game is Dougherty Valley. My prediction is that Miramonte wins these six plus steals one or two from Analy, Campo or Alhambra and finishes regular season 7-3 or 8-2.
I do think Miramonte will be pretty good next year. Out of the 20 or so seniors about 15 of them got significant snaps last year. Last year at this time Miramonte only had about six kids that got significant playing time coming back for their senior year. Offense will likely be less explosive as receivers Fuller and Paoletti have a hard time stepping into the shoes of Z. Williams and Deutz. But running game may get a boost from a frosh kid that they’ll likely move up. Big news will be on defense. After a year with a very weak d-line and patched-together defensive backfield, I look for Miramonte to have the best defense in DFAL; two of the best LBs and the best safety/corner in DFAL. D-line with a lot of returns and more size than last year.
DFAL prediction:
1. Campo – Pains me to say it, but they look strong all around. I will say that Miramonte is the one team that could upset the apple cart.
2. Miramonte – Lots of returning seniors led by Anderson (QB), Stehr (OL/LB) and Clark (FS/WR). Look for less offense but tough defense.
3. Alhambra – Third-year starter at QB and lots of speed in the backfield. Plus usual cast of nasty linemen COULD mean a strong year for the Dogs.
Next tier is really harder to tell, but I’d say:
4. Dublin – Loses running game and lost of seniors on defense, but JR QB comes back for second year as starter and other underclassmen got playing time last year. I just don’t see a lot of relief coming from JV or frosh team.
5. Acalanes – Traditional low scoring output will be impaired even more by loss of star running back, starting QB and starting wide receiver. But they’ve got a couple of very good defensive players coming back and one sturdy running back.
No 0-10 teams this year, but the bottom will include:
6. Dougherty Valley – Will improve, but still be in or close to the cellar. I’m told their frosh team last year was awesome, but that won’t help them much this year.
7. Las Lomas – Pretty much imploded last year with a team that had perhaps the strongest senior class in DFAL. This year they’ll have a new just about everything including a coach. Small varsity roster loses lots of seniors and JV/frosh didn’t look like much. They could surprise, but I’ll predict a dismal year.
April 9th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
@Mira
Would you say year in & year out Alhambra has the best athletes?
April 9th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Perkin,
I don’t know if Alhambra get the best athletes across the board. Frankly, Campo probably gets more. But in football, Alhambra seems to get the best running backs and a steady supply of large aggressive linemen.
More than anything, I think Alhambra has battle-ready freshman and JV teams more than other DFAL programs. Perhaps they have better Pop Warner programs. In Orinda, we have some MOL, but almost no one has played tackle football until freshman year. By sophomore or junior year, the gap has closed. By senior year, Alhambra teams seem to get left behind. I don’t know if its commitment, coaching, lifestyle (i.e.drinking/drugs), but something seems to happen and their program seems to shrink in terms of size and number of committed players. By senior year, they have great players, but lack the supporting cast.
I’d love to get some perspective from Alhambra people, but that’s what I see.
April 9th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Drinking/Drugs Sheeesh…lol
DIdn’t think Campo. Recently across the boards I would say yeah they have had the best athletes. Been watching Alhambra since late 80′s early 90′s over that time span I would say they have the best FB athletes in that league.
Similar deal in Alameda. SInce Alameda HIgh’s resurgence in the early 2000′s they have been the only team in ALameda with a Freshmen program. Which in turn has turned out some stud JV teams. 9-1/8-2 on a year in & year out basis. BUt nothing that has translated to Varsity.
April 9th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
#401 Perkins For the the record I didn’t scheduled these team the past BHS coaches did. I don’t post on here much but I want to put that out there.
April 9th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
398 .. are they gonna hold an assembly at Arroyo and wear the hat of their next team too?
April 9th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Mira- the Joe Loudon issue, as tragic as it were, is one that I specifically remind mine about HS, athletes and partying. Most schools, yes even in the whitebread Lamo and TriValley areas, have players suspended or booted for alcohol/blunt infractions. Plenty of knuckleheads (parents too) one has to steer away from to stay clean. Been to quite a few 680 games where if parents had to blow to measure BAC they’d be turned away at the gate.
On topic, doesn’t Campo/Acalanes have open admissions so families can choose one or the other and, thus, specific sports can “load up”?
April 9th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
BHS Schedule was done BEFORE Barnes signed on.
April 9th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
@Guest
Whats thats suppose to mean? He’s the coach now. He doesn’t need to honor new contracts made by a fire coach this year. I understand if they were in the 2nd year but those are new teams. Drop those schools & find some real teams to play. I guess Barnes has changed since his Castlemont days when he use to schedule real teams. Came on these blogs & said he was like Pat Hill he wants to play #1,#2, & #3 in non league.
April 10th, 2013 at 12:34 am
FNL680,
I figured someone would give me a lecture on the existence of drugs and drinking in all areas of our society. Respectfully, I’m pretty aware of the issue. In fact, Miramonte has lost players in each of the last couple of years that had to deal with dependency issues.
But clearly, some areas have more of an issue than others. By the way, the local teens tell me if you want to get drunk and chase loose women its better to go to Moraga and party with the Campo kids. I’m sure at one time it was the other way around. Does Alhambra have more of an issue? I don’t know, I was just asking.
In terms of transferring to “load up” a sports program, I think the answer is that kids can transfer within Acalanes school district pretty much at will. That is, within Miramonte, Campo, Acalanes and Las Lomas kids can transfer around assuming space in the school they wish to attend. In terms of “loading up” sports programs, I’d say there is some of that. I’d say Mira/Campo/Acalanes is where you would see it. Because of geography, it doesn’t happen much with Las Lomas. I happen to know of a couple of girls that were in the Mira district, but went to Campo because of swimming/volleyball which are better at Campo. But honestly it is somewhat muted by other factors like pretty good parity and school tradition. Also, at the risk of sounding like a snob, most of these kids don’t need a D1 scholarship to go to school and know they aren’t good enough athletes anyway. I think you see that a lot with kids (more likely parents) that have “NFL dreams”. You just don’t see a lot of that around here.
April 10th, 2013 at 12:41 am
Perkin,
I’m pretty sure the contracts they sign are contracts between the schools, so the coaching change is not relevant. A school can ask to back-out and the other school will almost certainly allow it, but it is a contract.
Also, I wouldn’t be so sure its such a bad thing. Something to be said for getting some wins as opposed to going 0-5 in pre-league like Berkeley did last season. I’m all for scheduling top teams, but only after you prove to can handle the competition. Berkeley showed last year that they just aren’t there yet.
April 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Anyone hear any news about Nickerson leaving the Odowd job to take over at Menlo College?
April 10th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mark Grieb was hired at Menlo College last week, the rumor was Nickerson was a finalist
April 10th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
@Miraman & @Guest
The school also fired him. lol Any games he saw fit for his team I’m sure the guy they brang in to replace him & do a better job could rescind. B-High has a lot coming back. Barnes first order business getting the job should be too dump those 2 horrible games. First thing he should of done with the administration. He doesn’t change those games then its obvious he wants hollow wins.
April 10th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Hey, you guys letting Chalktalk running his mouth again against all logic and insulting too!
Big Dog and Little Dog had the HNIC whatever that means but that’s what chalk said in the past get up off the mat? Pin the bitch back down and keep him there. Just a frustrated JC player who went to school in Texas and played some lousy ball in the Bay several years back. Nickname G.O.A.T. More like a nanny goat.
April 11th, 2013 at 8:29 am
@Perkin
Yes. Sims knew he had to play those tough teams to progress. But, he did not know how to prepare his players to play at that level. Whatever success those kids had last year was through pure will on their part. Let’s hope Barnes will re-institute weight training at BHS, motivate those kids to stay eligible, and have practice that starts on time and has substance.
April 11th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Practiced started late regularly??
April 11th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
@guess
How is that you know that sims didn’t know have kids prepared play at that level. This is what I know of what’s going on at BHS. For starters they don’t have a real weight room and haven’t had one since last year the weights that they do have is outdated by at least 15 to 20 years . 2nd this is a school that’s dose not offer summer school to under class men nor do they have academic probation. The admin also denied sims a class room to hold mandatory study hall. From what I’ve seen no matter who’s the coach there it will always be an up hill battle and for the kids I hope that the admin will look at the best interested for the kids
April 11th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
And for people the say that b-high a lot coming back isn’t true they really only have 6 returning stater and as far as the schedule go they still have thought one even with san Mateo and Washington they still play Pitt , Logan and monte vista and for a team that’s going to have learn an new O and D they may need a few win to go in to league
April 11th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Those are some strong words “Guest”. What makes you say the BHS program fell so far so quickly? Where do you get your insights?
April 11th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Was Sims really that bad? Late practices and no weight training? I believe it can be some truth to the weight training part only because if you seen the Berkeley team live last season, most players looked like they barley lifted a weight and out of shape. Low numbers for any Berkeley team I’ve ever seen. One thing Barnes will do is have the numbers up on each level and those teams will play smash mouth football.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Yes practices were later due to the fact that they had to wait until field hockey was done with their practice not sure if people realize that Berkeley high is not like most school the offer a ton of sport but they don’t have the room for the to practice
April 11th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
And BHS won the WAAC Foothill Division? And beat the vaunted BOD Dragons with all of their “NFL” training techniques and high level coaching schemes. So much for Nickerson and the “highest levels of coaching” crap he tried to sell around the O’Dowd campus. I heard it first hand. And it worked with another coach’s players!!
April 11th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
424 posts about football in April! Awesome. Should be an interesting upcoming season. I am most familiar with the WAAC this past year. BOD definitely underachieved with their talent, but EB FB Fan, it should be noted that they lost to Berkeley with their cornerback playing QB. I have also been following Nickerson with some interest since he started. Unfortunately, he seems to be regressing every year. He seems to be an excellent organizer and a passionate motivator, but not very good with X’s and O’s (especially on offense). He has fired 3 or 4 assistants who clashed with him, including an excellent O coordinator. I hear he is not happy with coaching high school kids, which is why he is applying for college jobs. I am not a Perenon fan, by the way, who I watched for years, and who toward the end of his tenure at Odowd was driving kids away from the program. As the comments on this post indicate, high school football coach is a tough job.
April 11th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I respect your right to your opinions, although you are most likely aware that I am a fan of Coach Perenon. I am puzzled, though, by your claim that Coach P was “driving kids away from the program”. I was around the program at that time (not on a day to day basis, but often enough to have a good sense about what I saw and heard). From my perspective, there were a good number of kids joining the football program at BOD who were not committed to doing what Coach P and the staff were asking – which was nothing more than what my kid went thru when he played at BOD for Coach P in the mid ’90′s). These kids made it clear that they were not going to get themselves ready for the rigors of football. Consequently, some of them quit in the early stages of the season because they were not physically ready to compete or opted not to come out for the sport. A few others did stay on, but they were often heard complaining about how demanding the coaches were, how hard practices were, to much running, the coaches constantly being “on them”, yelling, etc., on and on …
More of this type of kid around BOD, in football, over the last few years of Coach P’s time there. Add in a few kids who were out of control with how they viewed themselves (Chris Martin, Mario Brown for example). Yet Coach P still managed to get his teams into NCS and to compete for HAAL titles (2nd in 2007 and 2008). And I have yet to touch on the out of control parent faction combined with the “new” administration at BOD. Interesting to read your post 425 about Nickerson’s frustrations and desire to get out. He was there with Coach P for Perenon’s last year. What did he expect? That he was going to get a bunch of soft kids with soft parents and an administration that, IMO, does not grasp the essence of the sport of football, to change? Nickerson had success in 2010 and 2011. But, in reality, he won with kids that Coach P and staff taught how to play the game. I am not a Nickerson fan, don’t “buy” him, but the dilemma at BOD goes way beyond Hardy.
Yes, EastBay ray, high school coaching is a tough job. I admire Coach P and the others who continue to take on its challenges year to year. Good luck to the Dragons and to the Monarchs!!
April 12th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
this will be an interesting year for BOD – we’ll see how good of a coach nick is …
encinal with a tough schedule could get better by playoffs.
berkeley v logan will tell the story of barnes…
as far as coaching high school v. comm. college – who wouldn’t want to leave the diapers behind?
April 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
@Oalfan
With Encinal having a tough schedule what record would you expect them to have to show they are a good team? Wins & losses against who?
April 13th, 2013 at 12:49 am
they got BOD then BHS then Castro Valley – they win one of those then they can get to 6 wins
April 13th, 2013 at 8:14 am
im trying to figure out what is it about encinal that people on here thins they are going to be so good next season they were not very good last year and had no talent on the jv team so they get nothing from them. coach t is a very good coach but i dont think he is a miracle worker
April 13th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
SLpirate,
That’s what I’ve been saying. Encinal’s got some very good players, but so does every program. BOD, while I expect them to take a step back, they’ve got a strong JV team coming up while Encinal has it all on varsity. I see them winning some games, but 5-5 or 4-6 is my prediction. I think they win two or three out of league then win two or three in league. I think they lose Serra, Aptos, Berkeley, BOD then a couple of others (San Leandro, Castro Valley, Rodriguez, Alameda).
I eventually see Encinal dropping to Shortline. Not because they are lousy, but because it is hard for a D3 public school to compete consistently with D1 programs and privates like BOD. Of course, any drop to shoreline assumes that D1 programs in Foothill live up to their potential.
So tell us, will San Leandro live up the their potential?????
April 13th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
No arguement with that. SL, B-High, & BOD should beat Encinal every year. Easily with the athletes they have. Don’t understand why Encinal is still playing Serra. No point in that.
April 13th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
@SLpirates
Why will SL be better? Will bringing in Moreno be the difference? If so, that just means the rest of yor staff loses credibility.
April 13th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
BIGDOG u need
help call yo mama punk — ur calling 4 help lol
April 13th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
miraman
IF A COACH HAS NEVER TALK 2 U BAD then u werent a good player the same goes 4 u bigdog
I HATE WHEN WEAK ASS PLAYER BECOME COACHES AND TAKE IT OUT ON THE MOST ATHLETIC KIDS cowards
April 14th, 2013 at 1:49 am
SLpirate and Miraman, I’ve been following the Encinal team for a few years now and this past year was the worst they’ve looked since I’ve started watching them. I know coach Joe prepares his boys well considering the teams they’ve beaten and competed against throughout the years. I also know that the team he had this past year was full of juniors, sophomores, and even freshman. Considering that they were that young of a team that went to the second round of the playoffs and every game they played in league was close besides CV. Not saying that they are as talented as them or it will play out the same way but think of El Cerritos team a few years ago when they started all those young guys, now look how that’s paying off. It could be similar situation.
BOD could be a team that falls off the most next season and with coach Nickerson trying to exit could possibly leave to of his kids scratching their heads. Even though they had a good JV team does not mean that will transfer over to the varsity game and produce the same way. BOD loses a bunch to graduation and now having to rely on JV talent could be the recipe of a long season for the Dragons.
San Leandro has a chance to be good because of the talent coming back but I just don’t see the coaching being there for them to win many games. That offense does not cater to the talent they have on the roster and defensive scheme is not the best for them to be as successful as they should be.
April 14th, 2013 at 1:50 am
mira man
no trash talk or anything like that but the kids are working hard lots of them on the track team and getting sronger and faster. we shall see if the hard work pays off.
ebfootball
adding coach moreno was a good addition but not sure why any coach would lose some credibilty cause we add a def cord.
April 14th, 2013 at 8:00 am
If the Hale twins transfer from Arroyo to Berkeley it will be their 3rd transfer in 3 years- Kennedy, arroyo, Berkeley. By new NCS transfer rules that would make them ineligible to play varsity sports at all. Keep an eye on that.
April 14th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Will be the twins 4th school. Washington high, JFK, Arroyo, and if they go Berkeley. I thought there is a rule that says you can’t follow your coach or your ineligable.
April 14th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Yeah that Basketball player from Salesian got nailed on that. Knowing a Coach from AAU.
April 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
I’ve heard their dad is in negotiations with Arroyo to re-sign the twins for a 1 year deal that includes guaranteed starting positions, dad calls the plays in blow outs, and a year supply of BART tickets.
April 14th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
The HALE Twins is Overrated anyway they daddy pump them up way too much. They have discipline issues. when they left Washington High They were Failing Classes .. One of the twins brought a fakE gun to school at JFK. To be honest they can’t transfer they played football at 3 high schools already WELL I GUESS THEY AT ARROYO FOR GOOD
April 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Chalktalk- do u mean what happened to little chalktalk at san leandro?
April 15th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
When all is said and done Mt.Eden will be #1.
April 15th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
MT Eden gone finish 4th in league
April 16th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
I don’t think so. We will rake San Lorenzo, Arroyo, and Piedmont for 3 easy wins. Tennyson has a good running back but they lost all of their linemen. Alameda got players but Coach P will outcoach Alameda’s Moyer for the league trophy.
April 16th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
1st place in the Shoreline league is 7th place in the WACC. Don’t forget that.
April 16th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
leaders r born
the same kat that lead in kindergarten is still a leader
same dude that lead in jr hi is still the leader
THE FACT THAT THE NERD DUDE IS NOW A HEAD COACH MAKES FOOTBALL SUFFER nerds are controlling how u play a violent game so look at the rules an look at the game play
April 17th, 2013 at 3:06 am
WACC PREVIEW 2013
*Hayward- Had a nice run last yer beating O’Dowd it lost alot of players!!
2013 Record (5-5)
*Bishop O’Dowd- Once BOD lost they All-American QB They steam was A stock market. Now Hardy, what you going to do now?
2013 Record (6-4)
Arroyo- Coach JB Gone The Hale Twins Might leave Too! But this Arroyo rebuilding Season
2013 Record (2-8)
Tennyson- Shoreline League Champs Have a Great Running back who Comes Back “Handyman” . I don’t See A repeat this year. lost QB & OFF Line
2013 Record (6-4)
San Lorenzo – SLZ Has alot of talent comes back with a new Head Coach I really think SLZ make some noise this year
2013 Record (5-5)
MT Eden- I’m just gone put it out there. SORRY MT EDEN IS dead this year had a roster full of SENIORS I really don’t know if they win one game
2013 Record (1-9)
Enicinal- Was VERY young last year I can see them giving Berkeley. And Castro Valley a run for the league title
2013 Record. (7-3)
Berkeley-Foothill League Champs last year c.an JB
April 17th, 2013 at 3:20 am
WACC PREVIEW 2013
*Hayward- Had a nice run last yer beating O’Dowd it lost alot of players!!
2013 Record (5-5)
*Bishop O’Dowd- Once BOD lost they All-American QB They steam was A stock market. Now Hardy, what you going to do now?
2013 Record (6-4)
Arroyo- Coach JB Gone The Hale Twins Might leave Too! But this Arroyo rebuilding Season
2013 Record (2-8)
Tennyson- Shoreline League Champs Have a Great Running back who Comes Back “Handyman” . I don’t See A repeat this year. lost QB & OFF Line
2013 Record (6-4)
San Lorenzo – SLZ Has alot of talent comes back with a new Head Coach I really think SLZ make some noise this year
2013 Record (5-5)
MT Eden- I’m just gone put it out there. SORRY MT EDEN IS dead this year had a roster full of SENIORS I really don’t know if they win one game
2013 Record (1-9)
Enicinal- Was VERY young last year I can see them giving Berkeley. And Castro Valley a run for the league title
2013 Record. (7-3)
Berkeley-Foothill League Champs last year c.an JB Bring glory back to Berkeley. They Have the Best 2LB’s in State but I do see them winning league Once again
2013 Record. (8-2)
San Leandro- after.a devastated season last year and looking at they schedule this year I see them have a LONG LONG SEASON
2013 Record. (4-6)
Piedmont- I really don’t know much about PHS but they a solid QB and New coach from Logan
2013 Record (3-7)
Castro Valley – Probably has the best athlete in the Bay Area Robert Taylor Lost they’re WHOLE Off line Coach you like 0-15′ Vs EBAL teams Give up
2013 Record. (4-6)
Alameda- I CAN SAY. PROBABLY THE BEST TEAM IN BOTH LEAGUES BUT……… COACH MOYER don’t know what to do with all that talent over there if you don’t win league or win the island bowl just FIRED him
2013 Record (7-3)
April 17th, 2013 at 10:01 am
everyone talkin about these wacc teams…
who are these coaches and players when they go up against a team like freedom, pittsburg or even logan and lose by 50 points? look at encinal vs serra last year!
who cares about these teams?
why can’t they compete?
April 17th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Alameda opens with Dublin, then Redwood, then unknown but they had Northgate last year, then Miramonte at Miramonte, then Encinal. I guess I’m saying that if they drop one game in leauge, they’ll need to beat two of the four tough non-league games: Dublin, Northgate (if still on schedule), Miramonte and Encinal. Non-league 3-2, league 4-1 to get to 7-3. Could happen, but that’s a pretty big turn around.
As an aside, checking out Dublin’s schedule, they have non-league games:
Alameda (3-7)
Woodside (3-7)
Montgomery (3-7)
Ygnatio Valley (2-8)
I hate to pick on Coach Wade, but that’s a pretty big step down from San Leandro (D1, who knew they’d go 1-9), Benicia, Amador Valley and Fresno. Anyone who thought he would build a quick dynasty at Dublin must be a little disappointed! But that pre-league schedule should help his W-L record! LOL!
April 17th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Football is a game on aggresiveness and control. The head coach controls the tempo of the game on sofisticated levels. Leaders can be born but are usually molded. Any book on leadership on any level or field will tell you that.
April 17th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
The EBAL would route the WACC league. Too much coaching and offense.
April 17th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
how does amador valley beat freedom
and freedom scores almost 70 points against berkeley?
(not saying av is not a good team)
what kind of defense was bhs running?
i would of fired the coach on that game alone!
(go ahead, blame it on the kids and its not the schools fault either)
April 17th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
BIGDOG i knew u were a book coach jackass
STFU—
experience is the best teacher
those who cant experiences read a book and take bubble bath u punk!!!
READ THE ART OF WAR and put down the leadership book
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war,
while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”
MOST COACHES HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAR IS dont no the taste or feel or the smell THE BOOK CANT GIVE U THAT fat boy
April 17th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Well did you serve your country? I was in southeast asia with 7th Cal for 2 years. I think I know a little about war. Your just a pretend bullie. Remember the pen is mighter than the sword and that’s coming from ex-military. As far as a bubble bath, how about friday with yours truly when you are playing golf at alameda? She likes an educated WM like me.
April 17th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
chalktalk, forgot to tell u I like bubble-gum flavor bubblebath- nice and sweet.
April 17th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Chalk talk you have zero high school coaching wins. You STFU!
April 17th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
@ HAAL2007
1-9 you are crazy. Coach P has never lost 9 games in a season. Think again.
April 17th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
@ 450
Which 4-6 WACC foothill team do you coach for? Call Coach P for a game. I’m sure after what we saw last year he’s not worried about any of those teams.
April 17th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
I don’t coach for any team. I just call it like it is. I could give you an opinion on any team/league in the East Bay.
You really think you could play with SL? BOD? Encinal? Berkeley? Hayward? Castro Valley?
What was the score in your playoff “game” against Concord? 44-6 at halftime? Come on now. How can you even think you’ll beat Tennyson?
Beat someone worth beating and then start talking about winning league.
That’s the problem, fools like you
April 18th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Coach P went 0-10 his first year at Mt eden
April 18th, 2013 at 12:31 am
Coach P went 0- 10 his first year at MT Eden
April 18th, 2013 at 6:51 am
7th Calvary r u kidding me what did u fight fairy tale dinosaurs– position allocated + over view of the area+ variation+ ZERO TOLERANCE TO CLOSE QUARTER ENGAGEMENT+ no confusion = NO MISTAKEs
the pen needs the sword to protect it idiot
so who really has the might…
what type of dude are u bubble gum are u serious
maybe u should open a hotdog stand in the castro
and stick a rainbow flag in ur ass cross dresser
April 18th, 2013 at 9:39 am
I’m dining on Goat’s meat while yur hitting a little white ball. Yum!
April 18th, 2013 at 9:52 am
how can u be transcendent if u accept things as they are not as they should b AND REFUSE TO disseminate PROPER KNOWLEDGE!!! although sheep have eyes they follow blindly…
April 18th, 2013 at 10:36 am
chalk, that sounds like a whiteman poet talking. Get back down to yur part of town. Little Big Dog will be nominating u for who’s who in the dont know sheettttttttt for sports hall of shame.
April 18th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Anyone have any good gossip, rumors, or predictions in others leagues (i.e. BVAL, DVAL, EBAL, etc.)
April 18th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Ron Thompson was the head coach at Mt.Eden in 2010.
April 18th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
They were co-head coaches. Whenever the paper went to talk to the head coach of mt. Eden it was usually perenon they talked to.
April 19th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Yeah I heard a rumor…I was at Wing Stop in Clayton the other night and over heard some kids talking, apparently CV’s returning QB is not even attending classes right now, he has been granted some sort of special dispensation like Johnny Football and only taking classes online, I wonder how many other kids at the ALL ACADEMIC charter are granted the same opportunity?
What is Dublin High thinking with their pre-season schedule? Wasn’t Wade supposed to help that place turn the corner, unreal facilities all kinds of athletes (basketball team) and you dont play one team in the pre-season with a winning record?
Apparnetly YV has had quite the winter huge turnout and big hopes for this year.
April 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am
re: 2010 Mt Eden Coaches
Coach Perenon & Coach Thompson were Co-Head coaches in both 2010 and 2011 seasons. Split the responsibilities.
Coach P ran the offense, did paperwork stuff and talked with the media. Coach Thompson ran the defense, organized the weight room, speed training, conditioning and team dinners.
Coach P became the “sole” head coach in Jan, 2012 when Coach Thompson decided to not stay at Mt. Eden.
Coach P hired Bill Davies to be the defensive coordinator, replacing Coach Thompson.
Coach P and Coach Davies set to return for 2013.
Records withstanding, the entire football operation at ME is far better today than it was three years ago. Coach P and the staff have stabilized the program. It actually “looks” like a high school football program.
Hopefully all you out there in “blog” land can appreciate Coach P’s hard work and dedication to the ME community. These kids now actually expect to have some success. There is huge accountability in the program. Players are learning what it means to be a teammate and the responsibility that comes with being in a “team” sport. The staff at ME is mostly young and very enthusiastic and willing to learn. That attitude transfers down to the kids.
As Coach P says, still a ways to go, adversity to overcome and lessons to be learned. I know Coach P wants to upgrade the schedule in future years. But, first things first. Stability and consistency and player commitment are still the big goals for Coach P and the staff at ME.
April 19th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
My predictions:
EBAL:
Cal
SRV
MV
Foothill
AV
Liv
Granada
DVAL:
CV
Concord
College Park
Northgate
YV
Mt. Diablo
BVAL:
Pitt
Freedom
Heritage
Deer Valley
Liberty
Antioch
DFAL:
Campolindo
Dublin
Miramonte
Acalanes
Alhambra
Las Lomas
Dougherty Valley
WAC Foothill:
Encinal
CV
Hayward
Berkeley
SL
BOD
WAC Shoreline:
Tennyson
Alameda
Mt. Eden
Piedmont
Arroyo
SLZ
MVAL:
Washington
Moreau
Newark
American
Kennedy
Irvington
MSJ
DISCUSS!
April 19th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
BVAL has become the new most interesting league. Pitt more or less year in & year out has the most talent last year was no exception. Beat D1 state champion & NCS D2 champ but never has a steady effort. Maybe Freedom wins it.
April 19th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
My comments, most of which I can’t quantify:
Monte Vista will be #1 in EBAL. The have starting QB coming back and if I remember correctly, they will have several three-years starting linemen. And in general, they are always better than people expect them to be.
DFAL, I don’t see a case for Dublin in #2. Look at their graduating class, look at their weak JV, look at their weak pre-league schedule which seems to reflect the coach’s concerns. If I were to pick a dark horse, it would be Acalanes: strong sports programs in soccer, lacrosse, baseball…some big kids coming back. But even there, I just don’t see the offense.
WAC Foothill – I love this division! These teams are gong to beat the crap our of one another! From the cellar up you have BOD, SL, Berkeley! Crazy! But then again possible. I don’t see Encinal winning (though I could see #2), I would love to see Hayward and CV battling for #1, and I certainly don’t see BOD in the cellar. NO WAY!
Where’s the Tri-County League??
April 19th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
The ebal will depend on who DLS plays and steps on. DeLa has a knack for getting after quarterbacks and if any of those top predictions get their QB wounded it’s lights out for them.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
What EBAL QB did DLS wound in the last couple of years? I don’t recall any, but it may have happened. I don’t think DLS had any effect on the EBAL race last season. Cal doesn’t play DLS until week 10 every year, so I guess that is an advantage for EBAL, but a problem heading into the playoffs if anyone were to get wounded.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
@ EB FB FAN, you seem to have the inside scoop on everything. I too believe in Coach P. Who is the next stud running back in his stable? Who will replace McGowan and Thomas? They were bad asses. One thing I know about Coach P is that he will run it down his opponents’ throat until they roll over. I can’t wait to see the 2013 Monarchs take the field in Coach P’s 3rd year as the head coach. I see 8-2/7-3 League title and a 2nd round NCS playoffs finish.
April 19th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Tri-County I know no chatter out of that area. What is going on at Pinole? Losing Coach Alameda seems to have put the Nail in that coffin.
April 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Pinole is very simple- kids going to EC now. Pinole has been done honey for awhile. Alameda was an accomplished coach, another example of high caliber coaching over high caliber players. You cant make chicken soup out of chicken shit.
April 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
QB Williams for DLS is going to have a monster season- 27 tds last year. Outstanding run thru the playoffs and state against outstanding teams. Physical player who’s going to get some college looks(WR, RB or option QB.)
April 20th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Also running back Taut at DeLa going to have a big year- 1500 plus yard man.
April 22nd, 2013 at 7:09 am
the coaches on the other side of the hill and thru the tunnel has always been better BUT THE eastbay HAS ALWAYS HAD MORE TALENT the same kids that use to have less talent are training year round to mimic talent until it becomes a technique!!!!
April 22nd, 2013 at 11:15 am
nothing wrong with that..
April 22nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
……..training…..
“The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses–behind the lines, in the gym and out on the road, long before I dance under the lights”
Mohammed Ali
April 23rd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Talent is the same on both sides of the tunnel. That’s stero-typing, a typical chalktalk move.
Better trained and coached talent is always going to win out vs. talent alone, that’s the differance.
April 25th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Any bay preps looking to get drafted today?
April 26th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
#477 EB FOOTBALL COACH
Why did you leave out the OAL?????
April 26th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
#492:
I left them out because I don’t know much about the new coaches. Plus, I’m an NCS guy and the OAL doesn’t even register. Great athletes, rough situation, difficult to coach there. My respect to every man who trys to give those kids a chance, but the honest truth is that they don’t put out good football teams.
April 28th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
problem with oakland is the coaches – they should cleanse all of them except mac and fremont and start anew with new blood \ its just the same old cast of characters complaining about kids grades…
look for mac again to do well and fremont the up and coming team
May 6th, 2013 at 6:33 am
Heard San leandro gone be loaded this year with a couple of transfers.
Sound like Bishopp ODowd is dead this year
Robert Taylor one of the Best Athlete in the Bay Area Transfer to Deer Valley
Arroyo lost they best player to another school IDK where
THE BEST TEAM IN THE BAY AREA IS PITTSBRUG PIRATES HANDS DOWN
2.DE LA SALLE
3.FREEDOM
4.CAL
5.EL CERRTIO
6.BERKELEY
7.CLAYTON VALLEY
8.DEER VALLEY
9.FOOTHILL
10. MACK
May 6th, 2013 at 6:40 am
I feel that Pittsburg. Can hang with the big green.
Deer Valley is a powerhouse again loaded with skill players n a solid linemen
Freedom = Joe Mixon
Concord – Olito. THOMPSON is gone now What coach Hamilton gone do now????
May 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Pittsburg is loaded every year. Bigger and better athletes then DLS last year. Don’t know what’s up with Galli.
May 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Pitt proved they can hang with the Green Machine in last years playoff game.
Can the Pirates hang for four quarters tho?
May 6th, 2013 at 11:33 am
I was at the play off game last year I’ve never seen a team just run I power and Dive on DLS like that. Looked good for 2 quarters. D was clueless on how to defend DLS offense.
May 7th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Pitt wont see DeLa until the playoffs. Any edge Pitt has can disappear fast in a playoff game. DLS is always healthy and ready for playoffs.
May 7th, 2013 at 11:20 am
I respect any person who work with our young people but I’m offended when I hear someone say the coaching is better on the other side of the hill or through the tunnel. Put any coach in the OAL in the situation on the other side of the hill or through the tunnel and see what their record would be. Take the coaches from the other side of the hill and have them coach an OAL team and see what their record would be. Don’t confuse ability with the binifits or difficulties of a situation. Plus when I coached at Mack or even my second year at Oakland High I didn’t see to many of those teams jumping to come play us. If they did they wanted to play at their school with their refs. I’m up for the challege, We have a game vs. Clayton Valley in 2013 let’s see if they will come to the Castle in 2014. I would love to have the opportunity to play some schools on the other side of the hill or through the tunnell at the castle. Lets do
May 7th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
CastlemontByrd, dont take me wrong. I am a big Castlemont fan from the old days, football, BB and track and field. Competed against many Kinights in the late 60′s and early 70′s.
Suburban schools today dont want to come to the OAL to play, period. Lousy crowd control, cancelled games, violence and poor facilities. Refs are refs, whether it’s NCS or OAL.
The OAL needs to adapt, not the other way around. If you want your program up you travel. If you’re good, you win no matter where you play.
May 7th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
CastlemontByrd,
I remember two years ago Miramonte scheduled Fremont and JFK-Richmond (not OAL, but most of the same issues)back-to-back. Fremont forfeited their game the week before they were scheduled to play, so Miramonte spent the week wondering if there would even be a game. The game happened, but Fremont was later forced to forfeit all games due to ineligible players. What a freakin mess! And what about the egg-on-face for the coach; you push 40+ kids (and parents, coaches, etc.) all summer to play 10 games only to have one of those teams basically not show up!
Neither Fremont or JFK was competitive. Blame it on refs?? Come on, man!
Frankly, I think Miramonte learned its lesson: why take a chance on an OAL team (or perhaps other shoreline teams) that may not show when there are so many great teams that will show with no drama.
Similarly, with location, I think you are fighting an uphill battle. Why would a fan from a relatively nice, relatively safe Tri-Valley school want to travel to Oakland where the perception is that it isn’t very safe. I don’t think you’ll be seeing Clayton Valley in 2014 – but not because of your awesome football program. But, I don’t get the controversy. When Fremont played at Miramonte, they seemed to enjoy playing at a “nice” facility versus the confines of Curt Flood Field. I don’t know the economics of paying for a bus versus playing at home (getting gate income but having to pay for lights, security, insurance, etc.), but I’m betting unless you draw a big crowd, it’s probably pretty neutral.
Mack has built the model:
1. Don’t forfeit games.
2. Beat and/or be competitive with very good teams.
3. Repeat year-after-year.
Then people with come to you.
May 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am
First of all no one is blaming the refs for wins or loses. Most coaches know that refs in certain areas call the game differently. i.e. Eastbay officials let the edges play a little more physical than other associations, while refs in the EBAL call the edge more closer but let the trenches play. The Mission Valley association has a tendency to call holding as soon as your hand touch the outside of the shoulder pads. That’s not blaming the ref that’s knowing the refs and making adjustments for your team. I like to have a physical team so I have to know the refs in order to make adjustments.
Has Bay area football come to this “play at my school because I have nice facilities and you don’t” or the perception of being safe. We can talk about that perception of being safe; when was the last time you heard of an issue at an OAL event; (by the way what make you think fans from the OAL Feel safe going over the hill and through the tunnel. COME ON!!! Don’t let a made up issue be an excuse for some of your so call better coaches to run from playing a game at an OAL facility.
Palo Alto came to Mack as did Madera, I didn’t hear them say I can’t play at Mack because they have poor facilities, American High played at Oakland High, other schools came to OAL schools and played. By the way Valley Christian, Dublin will play at Castlemont in 2014. Argonaut (Jackson, CA) will play at Castlemont in 2014. Coach Parrella didn’t say I can’t play you because you have poor facilities. He agreed play and is ready to compete.
Let’s call this slight what it is. It is not a facility issue! It is not a safety issue. This is an issue where some coaches in one area look to have an advantage over a group of coaches in another area.
May 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Let’s be real. It is a safety issue. Some OAL games had to be cancelled in the past and played on non-school days or at non-school sites. Remember that?
Coach Byrd, do you allow your players to trach talk? Wondering?
Remember how Mack was treated playing Ferndale several years back, fans too.
Encinal has left bad tastes in some fans and teams mouth for their behavior in Alameda.
Parents want guarentees in today’s society about safety. The OAL needs to provide that at all their events. Until then, suburb teams aren’t coming to Oakland. Bye the way, anyone from the OAL coming to Orinda and the likes to play should not be concerned about treatment. A lot of those fans pay their taxes, do volunteer work and support low income areas.
May 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
the bottom line is why would you schedule a oal school when every year there is a good chance they will have to forfiet a game for one reason or another. Our kids put to much time in the off season (not saying the oal doesnt) to not know if the oal team on the sched is going to show up. When we put a m.v. or cal on the schedule we know they will be there. There has been too many games canceled for varies reason. Im not saying every school in the oal but why should we take that chance. Call it what you want but until there is some consistancy in the oal football programs i dont blame anyone for not wanting to play a oal school.
May 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
CastlemontByrd,
You mention Clayton Valley, Argonaut and Valley Christian as schools that will play OAL teams in the future. I’ve got another list for you: Chowchilla, Eureka, Encinal, Miramonte, Acalanes, Pittsburg. These are teams that – off the top of my head – have had forfeits with OAL team in the last year or two. Let’s hope the teams on the first list don’t join the second list!
In order of significance:
1. OAL has to stop forfeiting games.
2. OAL needs to be more competitive.
3. Safety is a perceived problem.
By the way, I’m familiar with three of the OAL schools: Oakland Tech, Oakland High and Skyline and would feel comfortable playing at any of those schools. But I think the perception both on and off the field is an issue for the OAL.
Good luck this season.
May 8th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Lets just be honest instead of worrying about being politically correct.The OAL has always had major problems with safety issues for fans and forfeits.OAL coaches in general have not been highly regarded with a few exceptions.I am talking football,basketball and baseball.The reality is what it is.I am talking 30 years of history.The other reality of course is it is extremely difficult to coach in Oakland.There have been a lot of great players from the OAL.There have not been a lot of great coaches.There have been however a lot of coaches who thought they were great.The basketball coach at Moreau now is a former OAL coach who was considered good in the OAL.On a scale of 1-10 in terms of fundamentals and x’s and O’s….maybe a 3.Very weak.Very very weak.
May 8th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Bigb dog are you saying people in oakland don’t pay taxes or do volunteer work? You say fans from the OAL should not be concaern about coming to Orinda. I’ve had the pleasure to bring teams to Miramonte in the summer. My parents refused to go to another one due to the treatment they received by law enforcement. I was pulled over and asked what I was doing in the area and where I was going. I am and will allways be a law abiding citizen. I know some people in your community feel that it is good police work but I don’t. I don’t feel that parents and kids that don’t look like people in your community have to be treated like that.
I don’t like my players to talk trash but trash talking is not limited to teams in the OAL. Actually the worst display of sportsmanship was a miramonte team. When Miramonte played San Lorenzo at the Coliseum for NCS Champianship. Miramonte scored a toucdown late in the game to seal the game. The player who scored ran to the middle of the field, shook the ball and through it up in the air like a hangernaid. When te ball hit the ground all the players fell to the ground. I woundered how many Miramonte coaches, parents and players thought that was poor sportsmanship.
I feel all you OAL, Shoreline school haters have a bigger problem. I hope you get over it.
By the way I didn’t say Clayton Valley will play at the Castle in 2014. Please go back and read what I said.
Hoops that coach you are talking about was a good player and a good coach. It seems like any body who coached in the OAL get scrutinize by you. Do feel other coaches coaching losing programs are a 3.
MiraManPlease tell coach Schram I would love to visit his fine facilities in 2014. Lets make it happen.
WAY TO GO WARRIORS
May 8th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Byrd,
Im gonna tell you the way I told Tenorio a few years back….stay off the blogs. They are filled with trolls who are cowards, who criticize, and dont know the difference between a screen pass and a screen door (see PERKIN).
All the cliche’s apply here:
Dont talk about it, be about it…
Do your talking between the lines…
Etc, etc….
You are the man in the arena, not the critic. Keep working with the young men, teach them how to be men, wins and losses will take care of themselves.
May 8th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
If you’re scared go to church. Back in my day (early 90′s) it was a rite of passage to play your first away game at a Richmond school. If you can’t make it out the hood 30 deep safe then maybe this isn’t the sport for your school.
May 8th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
I do agree that the OAL needs to stop forfeiting non-league games. Again I believe it comes down to those games not meaning anything because it has no bearing on their playoffs aka The Silver Bowl aka the Re-Match Bowl. If OAL as a league was in NCS, things would be different. That’s the issue. Not safety.
May 9th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Goldsmith and EB football, you guys are wacked. Piss on the hood. Those problems dont exist in the cif southern section. better coaching, better discinpline and better programs. th oal can prove their merit by not forfeiting games. do that and guarantee safety and teams will play them. there are no tough guys in the hood, just cowards who hide behind violence. Since most of the college prospects come out of these better schools, it looks like football is the right sport for them.
May 9th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I agree with bigdog’s last post but the advantage that the schools in Socal have is that they have greater populations. There are way too many charter schools in Oakland
May 9th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
BigDog,
Im convinced you work for CC Times and are paid (minimally) to say stupid things to spark discussion and outrage. Well done CC Times, your strategy is to be commended.
However, BigDog, if you are really stating your own opinion, you have once again confirmed that you are an ignorant, bigoted coward. GUARANTEED you would not piss on the hood nor call ANYONE west of the tunnel a coward. How’s Danville these days cherry?
May 9th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Jon, I am calling you a coward and I forget to mention to piss on you too. Sorry I had to revert to that but that’s the only way to deal with a racist.
As far as a cherry, better to be that than in prison giving up the cherry like your hoodie pals.
May 9th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
John Goldmember, stick to yur advice u gave coach tenniro and stay off the blogs. He was run off.
May 9th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
BigDog,
Youre brilliant!
“I am calling you a coward”…good one. Did you think that up all yourself?
If we were in the wild, you would be my lunch, cherry.
YoMama, get quit hangin’ off BD nuts. Do you work for CC Times too?
May 9th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
@BigDog
I hear they have a great catechism class at Corondelet. Maybe you should go there on Friday nights instead of the city that’s produced the most NFL players in Northern California.
May 9th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Jon and EB, one in the same. I am in the wild. On friday nites I hang on 73rd avenue in east oakland running a blood bank. I am also a probation officer and need to look into my flock from time to time.
May 9th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Jon, I forgot to mention I am willing to meet you at Mosswood Park near the hoops. Me and Hook Mitchell used to jump over cars stuffing /playing hoops in the old days. I will bring cherry koolaid for you. You will need it after I dick your eyes out with my 25 footers.
May 9th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Dude,
You just took it to a different level.
Stay away from all parks and children you sick f–k.
May 9th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Castlemontbyrd….You see that is the problem.The bskb coach now at Moreau was a good player but he is NOT a good coach.It all boils down to what you and I consider a good coach is.Someone who is very poor at teaching what I consider to be fundamentals and very weak in terms of x’s and o’s is not a good coach.May very well be a great human being but that is not what I am talking about.It equates to all the AAU guys who think they are great coaches because they can sweet talk some great players into playing on the Soldiers or whatever.How can you respect adults who tell a kid like Raab at O’Dowd to transfer because he is going to play in the NBA and does not need the tough academics.They get these kids and make them worse by not being able to teach them anything of value on or off the court and they walk around like they are the second coming.I apologize for my AAU rant.I am not saying most OAL coaches are slimeballs like the AAU crowd,because they are not.What I am saying is you have coaches who look at the world in totally different ways with totally different results.
May 10th, 2013 at 5:08 am
Coach Barnes Been quit over there at Berkeley What is he up too.
May 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am
What did Barnes quit? HAAL what are you talking about?
May 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am
one way to fix the OAL football (teams with terrible rap sheet of forefitting games fremont, o high, castlemont) problem would be to start their season 3 weeks later (week 2)than NCS teams. that way they can get their stuff together. they dont play NCS playoffs anyways so it wouldnt hurt anything. That way is better they should go straight into league (4,5 games) then fill out the rest of their schedule the best they can. that would give them a better chance of fielding JV teams too.
May 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am
who’s who at the skyline/laney camp?
May 10th, 2013 at 9:56 am
he meant quiet* Barnes has been quiet
May 10th, 2013 at 9:58 am
The problem with OAL starting later is that they wouldnt be able to fill a 10 game season because most non-OAL schools will have finished non-league and have entered league games. The only way that could work is if they played 2 non-league games and played certain OAL teams twice to fill the schedule.
May 10th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Alhambra’s lacrosse team just forfeited their last game to Miramonte. I heard maybe it related to some sort of altercation at the Campo or Dougherty Valley games. It may have even included people in the stands.
I mention this for two reasons:
First, I’d like to know if anyone knows what happened. I mean, they are certainly forfeiting, but everything else is just heresay. Anybody hear anything?
Second, even I could appreciate the irony of discussing safety problems at OAL games at the same time the DFAL may have had a regular Donnybrook right in the stands at a lacrosse game!
May 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
as lacrosse has now been mentioned in this blog – so this blog ends
May 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
What happened to Haagensen formerly of Heritage?
May 17th, 2013 at 11:00 am
can someone post a schedule of the summer contact/7on7 camps that will be taking place in the area