Draft review: 1998
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 16th, 2007 at 10:19 am in Oakland Raiders.
Fourth in a series reviewing Raiders draft classes since they returned to Oakland in 1995:
1/4_Charles Woodson, CB, Michigan
1/23_Mo Collins, T, Florida
2/31_Leon Bender, DT, Washington State
3/63_Jon Ritchie, FB, Stanford
4/109_Gennaro DiNapoli, C-G, Virgnia Tech
5/127_Jeremy Brigham, TE, Washington
5/152_Travian Smith, LB, Oklahoma
7/230_Vince Amey, DE, Arizona State
7/235_David Sanders, DE Arkansas
The top pick_Woodson, after a rough opening half against Andre Rison and Kansas City, instantly became one of the top cornerbacks in the NFL. Paired with veteran free agent Eric Allen, they were a big reason why Oakland’s defense went from the worst in the league to a top 10 ranking. Woodson never ascended to a Hall of Fame level his ability seemed to warrant because of injuries and, many believe, his own lack of personal discipline. Still, a much better choice then both players taken above him _ San Diego QB Ryan Leaf at No. 2 and Arizona DE Andre Wadsworth at No. 3. Peyton Manning was the No. 1 overall selection.
Tragic end_Using a supplemental choice at the top of the second round, a gift Oakland received when Chester McGlockton signed with Kansas City, the Raiders selected Washington State defensive tackle Bender. Bender, with a long wingspan and an outgoing, charismatic and engaging personality, was expected to contribute immediately. He signed quickly, but died suddenly on May 30, 1998 after suffering an epileptic seizure.
Could have had_Sitting at the bottom of the third round, taken No. 92 overall, was Georgia receiver Hines Ward _ whose toughness as a possession receiver would have meshed perfectly with first-year coach Jon Gruden.
Pilfering the 49ers_San Francisco was zeroing in on Florida tackle Collins, only to have Oakland deal the 34th and 59th picks to Tampa Bay in order to move up to 23 and get him first. Collins played tackle as a rookie and was eventually shifted to guard, where he became a solid inside run blocker who struggled with his weight.
Draft bargains_Smith, a linebacker from Oklahoma who was so fast he was used to return kicks, became a solid special teams player and occasional contributor on defense through the 2004 season.
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April 16th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Woodson was a sure thing, this pick was the only good draft thru out the 90’s, Darrell Russell… BUST. Dudley… BUST… Woodson.. Raiders hit the jackpot. Oh yeah… Russell questionable criminal character with rape charges, etc. He died recently I read somewhere in a car crash evading the police or something like that.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Too bad Woodson didn’t show more heart. Though he was a solid player, with all of his talent I still deem him a disappointment.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:45 am
How does Jon Ritchie not get mentioned he was an awesome FB and a true Raider throw back I remember every game watching the blood trickle down his forehead thinking man there’s a guy I would want any day on my team.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:55 am
Woodson probably would’ve had more INT’s except he was a shut down corner. His injuries were mostly during the preseason which I think was a scam to get out of working during camp. He could’ve been more but considering he helped turn around a defense that would become a championship caliber unit I’d hardly call him a disappointment. His hit caused the Tuck Rule fumble. Several pro bowls - an excellent choice.
Ritchie was a solid FB throughout our playoff run.
By the way - one player doesn’t make for a bad draft. In every installment I’m seeing guys taken - especially in the mid rounds who contributed. Landing a long-term starter in 3-5 is a good thing.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:59 am
The SF Chron is reporting that Oakland and Detroit are close to trading McCown for a mid round pick. It likely won’t happen until closer to the draft because Detroit has to figure out what to do if they trade away their back-up QB. MCCown is said to be a good fit for Kiffins offense.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Coach - I guess my disappointment in Woodson comes over those franchise tag years. He would get tagged, sit out most of training camp until he signed it, and then invariably he would always get hurt because he wasn’t in playing shape once the season started. There was a guy I wanted returning punts all the time. Don’t know why he wasn’t used more than just here and there.
As for McCown, I think it makes sense from Detroit’s view. The guy is making $3M this year to backup Kitna. FYI - for those of you who claim that McCown blows because he couldn’t beat out Kitna - he was never given a chance to compete. Martz annoited him the best QB for his system and Josh sat. There was no competition. Detroit also has Orlovsky who is said to be doing well, being from CT, I follow his progress. At that #2 pick, Detroit is guaranteed either Quinn or JR if not both.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:15 am
If the trade takes place, I’m starting to lean heavily toward CJ with the 1st pick. Put CJ in a #18 Jersey.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:17 am
I really wish John Ritchie didn’t retire… That guy had “Raider” written all over him.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:20 am
I’d love to see CJ wearing “00″. How cool would that be!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 11:38 am
This draft might have been one of the finest in Raiders history had Leon Bender lived to
contribute. The Raiders have been snake bit of late, drafting “projects” and
physical talents, rather than football players. Thanks a lot, Al.
Draft Calvin Johnson!
April 16th, 2007 at 11:51 am
I try to remember that this draft was 9 years ago - a loooong time by NFL standards so I’m not surprised that most of these guys are gone.
Read MMQB and Peter King goes on about how weak this draft is and how CJ is the only really top quality player. He goes on to say everybody thinks Oakland should take JR. Of course they do! They want a shot at CJ!
Will Shields retiring from KC helps us.
Looking at the schedule for the other AFC West teams, we can get a fast start on Denver and the others who have rough schedules in weeks 1-4.
If we sign McCown and draft CJ, I’d hold off on Edwards at 33 and take a DL or OL. The reason is Edwards, Stanton, Berck or Kolb are going to be there at the top of the third round. One or two of them may fall to the top of the 4th.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:56 am
OMG! No mention of the best pure FB to ever wear the shield!!! JerryMac, say it ain’t so!
April 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
woodson IS a stud….check his stats this year…he should still be in silver and black.
ritchie was one of my favorites. he came straight out of the 1970s. what a stud.
does ayone notice that we’re the only team that “wants” jruss??? i guarantee every team is hoping we draft jruss, especially denver, KC, and SD. the rest of the NFL views the raiders as the only team dumb enough to take that risk. draft CJ.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Funny to hear everyone talk about how CJ is the clear cut best player but want us to take JR with the top pick? WTF???
April 16th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
All the “experts” agree that JR is not NFL ready, that he needs to sit, learn and mature. That was never the comment afixed to Peyton, Elway, Aikman and Palmer. I find it very difficult to draft a guy #1 overall who by ALL accounts cannot play in the NFL TODAY. What if he never gets to that point? Take someone, anyone, who can play in the NFL TODAY, not someone we hope will amke it someday. UGH!
April 16th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
Does ANYONE have a link to an article in the SFC or otherwise that says definitivley whether we’re getting McKown or not? The suspense is killing me. Again, whether we keep him or not, the call is CJ. Best player or extra high draft picks = key to a good Raider draft.
And whether the starting QB next year is McKown or Walter, I have to think Kiffin can get
the most out of either of them… Go Raiders…
Kdog7577
April 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Fact is we take CJ no matter what even if we don’t plan to keep him we have the ability to trade him to the highest bidder if the offer is right.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Yahoo Sports is reporting that the Bucs are very interested in moving up to #1. All we’ve heard has been that people want to move up with the Lions. That mentality kills me because the Raiders, not the Lions, own the pick and anyone wanting CJ that bad MUST go through Oakland, not Detroit. Maybe things will start cooking now.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
I LOVED Jon Ritchey. How could you not after struggling to replace the awesome Steve Smith? He simply got a better offer from Philly at the time he became a F/A. FYI, I heard Ritchey doing color commentary for a NFL Europe game over the weekend and he did a good job too for the few plays I watched.
Coach…we are not drafting Edwards at #33 so get over it. He in no way holds that much value, even to Al who, over the years leans towards the Pac 10 schools at times. Here we all are trying to figure out the first round so its obviously a wild guessing game for us to get into second rounders and beyond but here goes my dart throw…
Look for us to go DL with that pick. Justin Harrell from Tennessee if he’s still there. Or mayyyybe RB with that pick. Possibly Michael Bush or Kenny Irons even though most mocks have them lower?? The RBBC trend is here to stay and Fargas is most likely done after this year while Rhodes is the RBBC back of today’s NFL. As for Jordan, I believe his Raider days are numbered (‘07 will be it) at his cap number, injury status and recent overall attitude.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
That report on Yahoo has the Bucs giving the Raiders all of their picks in the first 3 rounds, which includes the #4 overall. I would do that in a heartbeat!
April 16th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
I always thought we should have used Woodson more on offense and special teams…if we can get 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, I say we do it!!!!
Tampa Bay talking trade for Johnson?
By John Murphy and Jason Cole
April 16, 2007
There is increasing speculation among personnel men that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to make a run at trading up from No. 4 overall to the top pick in the NFL draft in an effort to get Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson.
“I definitely get the feeling that’s where the Bucs are going,” an executive from another NFL team said this week.
Three weeks ago, Tampa Bay general manager Bruce Allen said he had been in contact with Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis.
“Al talked to me about what he wants to do, but I’m not sharing that with you,” Allen said with a smile. There was speculation that the Bucs had already offered Oakland all four of their picks in the first three rounds (Nos. 4, 35, 64 and 68 overall) to move up. The Bucs received the No. 64 overall pick after trading defensive tackle Anthony McFarland to the Indianapolis Colts last season.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
If we did that trade we would have picks -
1 - 4
2 - 33
2 - 35
2 - 64
3 - 65
3 - 68
3 - 99
4 - 100
5 - 138
5 - 165
6 - 175
7 - 211
7 - 254
8 picks in the top 100 - 6 in the top 68. If this is for real, Al better jump on it! We could then take our picks in the 5th and lower and package all of them for either a 3rd or a 4th.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
4,33,35,64,65,68,99,100,138,165,175,211,254. Sounds like the winning lottery ticket to me. TAKE IT! Even if we don’t get JR at 4, we get Quinn or AP. 2nd and 3rd round will have very serviceable WRs available.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
13 players from the draft. How do they pay all of them?
April 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
I realize this is all speculation, but how could anyone be against trading the #1 pick if the result is something like I showed in my previous email.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Let me tell you - if Goodell walks up to that podium and says “the Raiders trade the 1st pick of the 2007 draft to….” I’ll cream my shorts!
April 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
That sounds like Al is stupid for not saying yes on the spot before Bruce Allen changed his mind.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Ditto, Danny.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
I wouldn’t be suprised if Al works a player out of TB, as well. Someone like Barber, Brooks or Rice.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
What is this? fantasy draft time? We’re not moving from the #! spot and we’re taking Russell. The best player may be Johnson, but he does no good without a franchis QB to throw the ball. You take a franchise qb over any player when you don’t have one.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Again, this is all cheap talk until it happens, but what about Chris Simms in a deal? They have plenty of QB’s at TB and they have Gradkowski for the future. Imagine a young arm like Simms and either Thomas, Adams or Peterson, and extra picks.
Just what I needed, 12 days of new infinite possibilities….
April 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Like I mentioned before, for those who want Russell w/the Raiders, it’s easier to pick CJ and end up w/Russell at the end than it is if it was the other way around. Teams would not trade for Russell as they would for Johnson. This is why I still feel the Raiders could maximize their options if they use the #1 for CJ.
While we’re still talking draft, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did draft a kicker this year. I’m sure Kiffin would like to light a fire under C-Bass’ behind.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Are the A’s still playing in the same stadium? I’m tired of the dirt cutouts.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
exactly you draft CJ and trade him and still end up with either Quinn or JR it’s a win win
April 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
If this TB rumor happens, the Raider look alot like the Cowboys of the 90s. Al may be getting rings for the rest of his fingers.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Monday, April 16 2007 @ 06:46 AM CDT
Contributed by: Ore
The Words That Can Save the Raiders
Its hard to believe that the draft is really less than two weeks away. It still seems like an eternity while we’re waiting, but our (I hope) reward for waiting is nearly here. Last time I wrote on why I think the Raiders should take JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. I haven’t changed my mind. The words that can transform the Raiders into a dynasty for the next decade are as follows…… “With the first pick of the 2007 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders choose JaMarcus Russell, quarterback, LSU”. At least I think that’s exactly how the words go. But the important thing is the Raiders make the right choice and take Russell. Many writers have been warning the Raiders that Russell has “Bust” written all over him. But many Raider fans have rightly answered that since when have NFL pundits had the best interest of the Raiders as a concern? Do writers really worry the Raiders will waste their number one pick this year? Would Peter King or any other writer really cry if the Raiders blow this pick?
The obvious answer is NO!
Then why are they warning the Raiders of the “dangers” of taking Russell? They rightfully believe in reality that Russell is exactly what Al Davis has said (or at least implied) he is. A quarterback with the skills of John Elway. Perhaps the best prospect since Peyton Manning. A guy who will likely live up to his billing. We all know most people in the NFL DON’T want the Raiders to get the best player in the draft. It would be a sacrilege to see a player of Russell’s potential dressed in Silver & Black according to their way of thinking.
I really believe they think that Russell is too good for the Raiders and the Raiders don’t deserve such a franchise quarterback. THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE RUSSELL GO TO ANOTHER TEAM AND BECOME A GREAT PLAYER. They could laugh at how Al Davis passed him up.
The amazing thing to me is the difficulty sports writers have making an argument against Russell. Readers correctly point out that the articles praise Russell’s skills and potential only to conclude that he “might” not be worth a number one overall pick. Its like writing an article calling for us to take Russell and then in the last line concluding we should take someone else. I haven’t seen one solid reason the Raiders should avoid Russell.
Do the Raiders have multiple needs (trade down for more picks)? Of course. But that’s why the Raiders are picking number one to begin with. Most 2-14 teams that get the first pick in the next draft have several needs. And fortunately the Raiders have 10 draft picks this year in which to address these needs including four on the first day and five in the first 100 picks. The Raiders can take Russell number one and still address their many other needs in the draft. I have pointed out before how deep this draft is in offensive linemen. Many great players like Aaron Sears and Tony Ugoh will be available in the second round. Two third round picks and the first pick (number 100) on day two give the Raiders a lot of possibilities.
We cannot know who will pan out in the NFL and who will be a bust. But that is an argument not to try! If the Raiders don’t take a chance they don’t stand a chance. Since when has Al Davis been afraid to take a calculated risk? Russell looks much more solid than previous possible picks like Eli Manning, Big Ben, and Vince Young. These players haven’t been perfect, but I don’t think the teams that picked these guys regret it. No other player is worth this pick. Joe Thomas would be my last choice of the candidates. Yes, he is talented and may be a Pro Bowl player, but if you worry that quarterbacks in the top 10 are risky, what about all the busts that have come along the offensive linemen picked so high in the last 10 years. We have one of them (though I am still pulling for Gallery). What about Lawrence Phillips and Ricky Williams? Charles Rogers and Peter Warrick anyone? You could argue that based on the last decade of picks, quarterbacks (especially those selected number one overall) have been the best and safest picks of all. Peterson and Johnson would be great players, and if the Raiders select either I will climb on board and support the decision. But no other player has the potential of Russell.
JaMarcus Russell can be the face of the franchise and give us well earned hope. Whether he starts next season or not he will pay off sooner rather than later. While we don’t know for sure his skills will transfer to the NFL or not, not team ever knows about a player for sure. It is always a risk. But this year its a risk the Raiders must take. I don’t know what Oakland will do. I have heard that Kiffin wants Russell and Davis wants Johnson and vice versa. What this tells me is people with supposed “inside” information are just guessing like the rest of us. But my best guess tells me now that the Raiders will make the call I’m hoping for and take Russell with the first pick
Alan
April 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Why draft JR #1 when they can take CJ trade him to someone like TB and still probably get JR but for less money than they would have to pay him at #1 plus get a player and/or additional draft picks KoolKell?
April 16th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Tragic about Bender.
Nice kid from up the hill.
still don’t understand what happened to him.
Died on his coaches bathroom floor or something?
He would’ve contributed big time.
Dinapoli’s mname sounds familiar, but not sure of his contributions.
Travian was a shot at a Sam Williams, Thomas Howard type of guy at LB before it was viable. he never had the instincts or smarts to excell at the position.
I remember Dinapoli, but Richies the guy who usually makes the most impression with Raider fans.
The constant stream of blood between his eyes made Raider fans long for the days of yore, when we were the baddest on the block.
Its no longer fashionable to bash opponents into submission in this league, not really for the players safety, thats ancillary, its more to protect owners pockets and advertising investors so they’re $100 million dollar superstar doesn’t end up on IR.
Speaking of Leon Bender and Darrell Russell NOT being the answer at DT, the Raiders should look at Walter Thomas this draft to finally have a young healthy line dominator to stuff the run and let Morrison and Howard use their incredible quickness to scrape along the stalled line and make the big hits, ala Ray “murder” Lewis.
Scope my excellent forum article at realfootball365.
Thomas may have been a Junoir college man (he failed at Ohio State) but if you read my art. you’ll understand why this guys the real F’in deal.
MONSTER!!!
Peace to the Raider Natio!
MVH
Woodsen should’ve been a pariah his last three years in Oakland.
His success in GB should indicate what a free loading asshole this jerk off was.
Granted, his chronic ankles robbed him of the only thing that mde him great at the time, closing speed, but his experience and desire (as dispalyed in GB) would likely have comensated.
Good F’in riddance.
If a guys not gonna play for you, get as much as you can and dump him.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
If the Bucs offer all 4 of the picks for the 1st selection, Raiders better JUMP on it, LOL…this is the best situation getting all the Bucs picks and RELOAD. LOL…
April 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
if that trade happened,i could hop back on the adrian peterson train. to all of you that believe you need the next john elway to win a super bowl, take a prozac and calm down. i think the as should steer clear of BOTH of these QBs. a player like CJ or AP will make a difference this year. i would rather put a young QB in great situation, rather than the one we’re in. let walter prove himself. if he sucks, we get our “best-qb-prospect-of-year-of-the-week” next year.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
exactly there is always a labeled franchise QB every year and next year actually has 3 already labeled before the season even starts.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
I say DO IT, CJ gets to play in the NFC and won’t haunt the Raiders for trading him, maybe Raiders want MORE for the pick. I just cannot see why the brass don’t pull the trigger?
April 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
I DOUBT we’d get the best QB prospect next year cause if the trade gos thru, Raiders won’t be drafting this HIGH again, cause this team will start WINNING. Just my gut feeling…
April 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
I get some real FAST and CLOSING OLBs in this draft too. LOL… some of the LBs in this draft have RB breakaway speed!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
well, if we’re not drafting high next year that means we’re doing just fine with walter. THIS TRADE HAS TO HAPPEN. if nothing else, we need to take CJ.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
I see no downside to taking CJ, you take him and if a deal is offered that makes sense and the player you feel can make an impact you pull the trigger if not you have the best player in the draft.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
If this trade happens, and the draft goes 1. CJ 2. Quinn 3. AP, you still wouldn’t take Russell with the 4th pick? They would have 7 more picks in the top 100 to fill all other need possitions. I’m a little leary picking JR 1st overall when CJ, Quinn and AP are available, but at number 4, nobody would blame the Raiders for taking him.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
The Raiders didn’t pull the trigger, Fanatics because this is a rumor. This deal is to good
to be true. If it did happen the Raiders could change from the worst to the best team in the NFL
overnight.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
IF THIS TRADE GOES DOWN. Look at all the WEAPONS available for the offense. LOL.. it’s gonna be crazy seeing FAST RBs, FAST SPEED DEMON WRs, .. Defense too FAST DTs/DEs/LBs. LOL.. I won’t be surprise if the Raiders make a BIG JUMP in the standing too!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
It’s been widely said thru out sites and forums that Russell could slide out of the top 5 and maybe do in the top 10.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
The reason it hasn’t gone down is because every team holds their cards until draft day… Favre said he is 100% sure Moss will be a Packer… But it wont happen until the draft guaranteed.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
If the trade don’t happen with the Bucs, I could see the Falcons giving up their entire 2007 draft for CJ, even if the points value are low, I still do the deal if Peterson slide that far, he’s projected to slide out of the top 10 in some sites.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Yes, with this trade the Raiders could fix the O line, get receivers (TE) and then the defense
could get that great tackle or end. Safety and OLB too. NO F’in way. Too good to be true.
Also, with this trade you could get Russel or Quinn and if either busts its not such a big
deal b/c the rest of the trade is so lucrative.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I think the Raiders would be smart to take Laron Landry or AP with the #4 pick because Atlanta is dying for him and so is Miami, this presents another trade opportunity for us but also if no trade is there gives us another stud Safety to go with Huff giving us 4 DB’s that would rule the league for years… Picture this CB’s - Asomugha and Washington Safeties - Huff and Landry and the ability to bring in Stu in nickel packages
April 16th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Russell may slide down to the lower top 10 by some sites… scouts discuss this in some forum.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
True Danny we wont know. Where did you read that quote from Favre? How long ago? If
we could still get rid of Moss the situation would be even that much better.
This draft has tons of good receivers in it.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
The options are limitless if the trade goes thru… either with the Bucs or Falcons. Falcons you get MORE picks…I rather get HIGHER picks in the 3-4 rounds. Raiders have a better shot at the athletes with SPEED on offense/defense.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Good call on that one Danny. Would not want to play against that backfield.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
bye all. Sounds like Raider heaven with this trade. Hate to sound negative but it just sounds too good to be true.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
I believe it’s Moss for a 1st and swap a lower 4 or something. Read it somewhere.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
What is astonishing is - assuming that rumored deal went down with TB, TB would be getting the bargain based on the draft value calculator. The #1 pick is worth 3000 points while those 4 draft picks from TB equal 2850. Just goes to show you how much that #1 pick is worth. I would do that deal in a second if it is on the table.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
PFT.com
POSTED 8:25 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 9:00 p.m. EDT, April 12, 2007
FAVRE CERTAIN THAT MOSS WILL BE A PACKER
It’s been a while since the rampant rumors linking Raiders receiver Randy Moss to the Green Bay Packers died down. But that doesn’t mean that the issue is dead.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Packers quarterback Brett Favre is “100 percent certain” that Moss will be a Packer by the time the 2007 season starts.
The only problem is that the Raiders and the Packers haven’t been able to strike a deal for compensation. Our guess is that the logjam will break once the draft approaches; otherwise, any picks necessarily would be deferred into 2008. Plus, if the Raiders choose to take receiver Calvin Johnson with the first pick on April 28, their leverage in subsequent trade talks will surely drop, since the chances of the Raiders letting Johnson get anywhere close to the malcontented Moss are slim and none.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
It’s down a ways
April 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Raiders still have Routt. The Raiders ain’t gonna give up on him this early… read it somewhere. Some forums have Bing vouched to play his original spot..as a DB.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
I’m not saying they give up on Routt I was just saying for the nickel package in which we use 3 safeties, there is another version featuring 3 CB’s but I was referring to the safety version.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
LOL… just have the Bucs throw in next year 2nd rounder. Probaly total 3000 points. That’s enough for this year 1st selection.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
I read it somewhere the Dolphins were discussing taking Russell if he’s there at the 10th. It was discussed in their forums. They might pass on him and take a defense guy.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
I’m sorry… the Dolphins 9th pick.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
I’m thinking if the Falcons throw in all their picks… the 8th selection Raiders could take Russell if he slides that far if the No,1 selection is traded.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
The TB trade rumors come on the heels of TB having personal visits with Russell. That should tell you of the difference in value between CJ and JR. If we do the trade Russell, AP, Quinn or Thomas HAS TO BE AVAILABLE at #4. It is a mathmatically certainty. If we trade for McCown then Detroit is looking at Quinn. Cleveland is suppose to be debating AP or BQ or JR now. If they go with AP (who they met with last week) JR or Thomas is ours. Unless we want CJ ourselves, trading down is the only thing that makes sense.
The post by Ore makes no sense. The media (Yahoo, SI, NFLN and ESPN) are all talking about us drafting JR. Using Ore’s own logic it is obvious they don’t want us getting CJ. The most vocal objections to drafting Russ #1 aren’t coming from the media; they’re coming from Raider fas who don’t want to see our team waste its pick.
Dallas in the 90’s H Walker for 9 players lead to a dynasty. Oakland in 2007 ???
April 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
the raiders have absolutely nothing to lose by drafting CJ!!! if this deal goes down and CJ, BQ, and AP go 1, 2,3 i’m taking adams or laundry at #4, maybe even okye. i view jruss as the biggest risk in this draft and completely stir clear of him. the lineage of leaf, ware, mitchell, and culpepper is just crappy to ignore!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
…..or joe thomas
April 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Hopefully, the 2000’s dynasty start with the Raiders trading their 1st selection.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
this trade, like jruss’ ability, sounds way too good to be true!!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Gaines Adam… him and Burgess makes unstoppable bookends!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
I take Gaines Adam over a DB anytime in this draft… LOL.. Raiders could find sleeper DBs in the lower rounds.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
This trade is too good to be true but just refer to the Giants to see what you will give up if you want someone bad enough.
Gruden is on the hot seat and needs an impact player on offense. TB was the 2nd worst offense behind Oakland. They have plenty of QB’s and a good RB. Their defense is pretty good but could use Adams or a DT. CJ is the one that makes an impact for their offense. Sell CJ to them for a king’s ransom. Remeber that Clayton left VWO hobbled again. TB needs an impact receiver.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Raiders don’t need Joe “another Gallery” Thomas. He’s benchpress is WEAK. DB benchpress more reps than Joe Thomas. I read it somewhere in sites.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
The trade is similiar to the Vick for LT 1 for 4 swap. It is quite possible. Also, this draft class is considered weak at the top. Peter King wrote that most execs think there are 9-10 studs and no more than 15 first round quality guys. TB knows that. Remember also, Gruden and Bruce Allen don’t like developing young guys. They like FA vets. So get the sure thing and dump a couple rookies. It makes sense for them. It makes sense for us because one player isn’t going to turn everything around.
Bring in MCCown and draft an Edwards/Stanton/Beck late third. Let them battle it out with Walter.
Bring in an AP at #4 or a guy in the top of the 2nd and if Jordans knee isn’t good, you’ve got a future back.
Get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th and send Moss packing.
Draft a couple O-line like Ugh, or even Thomas at #4 and battle it out at T with Sims/Gallery.
With 3 second round picks you could get a starting OL, DL, and LB or TE.
Or heck take Adams at #4 (listen to the media rip us) and watch Adams and Burgess kill QB’s all year. Then grab 3 offensive players at the top of the 2nd.
Just Reload Baby!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Burgess, Kelly, Sapp, Adams across the line on passing downs. How’s that infield dirt taste Mr QB?
April 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
This type of a trade turns franchises around. Look at all the success the Dolts had by trading down. Its hard to swallow your pride and trade down, but in the end you’ll get the last laugh. Its time the Raiders start laughing again!
April 16th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
It’s NOT swallow your pride, BUT, a BUSINESS DEAL for the best! LOL….
April 16th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
OR trade the 4th selection for MORE picks. Do the points value for the No.4 selection!
April 16th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
LOL… Reggie Bush WAS a rookie. Look at him now in his second year! People are raving about him in New Orleans and thru out the NFL.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
I just keep reminding myself that training camp rosters are 80+ players for a reason. CJ would be awesome but if you can bring in 10 new guys and have even half of them become contributors that’s awesome.
Look at these past draft articles Jerry’s been doing. Each year about half of them became starters or at least contributors. Bring lots of guys into camp and see who sticks.
QB - Walter, McCown, Booty, Otis, Draft pick - somebody’s gotta come through
HB - Jordans getting injury prone and contract short. Rhodes, Fargas, draft pick
TE - Added two FA draft another
WR - Bye Moss, Porter, Curry and draft a guy to push Morant, Whitted Francis
OL - Sims is getting older and missed time last year. Need another T and C to push Galery and Grove. Newberry is short-term.
DE - Someone opposite Burgess to rush and a run stopper
DT - Sapps future replacement
LB - Can Bing replace Williams? If not draft our 3rd starting LB in 3 drafts.
DB - 3 1st rounders. Need a solid nickle guy if Routt isn’t going to do it.
That’s nine spots we could get help in. JR or even CJ wouldn’t do it. Draft as many as possible.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Plus, there’s UPFRONT garantee money Raiders don’t have to absord and pay in cap space. LOL… the player gotta produce and earn his K.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Charles Woodson was getting beat BADLY in the 1st half of that Chiefs game but he was a different player in the 2nd half. That was such an awesome game and helped Woodson become a 4 pro bowl player in his first 4 years. Guy couldn’t concentrate on his play anymore after earning all the millions. I think having Eric Allen those first years helped him stay on top of his game because Eric Allen was a playmaker and forced teams to throw towards Woodson but once Allen was gone, Woodson was no longer challenged and got bored playing the game. It hurt real bad watching Woodson vs. Moss however because Moss made Woodson his B!TCH. Moss honestly proved he was an elite receiver when facing Woodson. Now Woodson goes and gets 8 interceptions while Moss sulks in the corner. What the hell?
April 16th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
I was SO PISSED when we got rid of Jon Ritchie. Ritchie was a born Raider and I loved when he would be bleeding from his forehead game after game. If you want to talk mystique, Ritchie was that and more. I hated to see him go.
Travian Smith reminded me of today’s Sam Williams. Always stuck around for no apparent reason and never really accomplished anything.
Mo Collins turned into a pretty good run blocker but he just couldn’t put down the cheeseburgers.
Dinapoli was a pretty good player I thought. Finished his career off with Dallas I believe.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
If the Raiders got a trade with Tampa Bay for all those picks, I guarentee we would still end up with Jamarcus Russell at #4 if we really wanted him. I personally would go after Quinn or Peterson but if they were gone, I’d be tempted to get Joe Thomas. I just really don’t want Jamarcus Russell but hes a better bargain at #4. I might even take Gaines Adams and you can package some of them extra 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds to move up into the 1st round a couple times and just load up with 1st round talent all day.
April 16th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
If we seriously got all those picks, I would attempt to trade some picks to move back into the 1st round to get that TE Olsen. Add that guy to our team we could have a legitimate TE threat finally.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Hey you CJ guys, I’ll give you one thing, you’re dedicated. It’s the same 4-5 guys all day everyday.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Jamarcus Russell vs. Brady Quinn (ESPN)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/flash/flashPanels?section=nfl/draft07&id=2839105
Topics include:
Arm (Velocity)
Wrist (Release)
Head (Judgement)
Eyes (Accuracy)
Legs (Mobility)
Great Article.
April 16th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
You said it KK. Don’t know what I am going to do with myself once the draft is over. Maybe the boss will actually get his money’s worth!
April 16th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
BUCS PLOTTING A PLAY FOR JOHNSON?
Profootballtalk.com
April 16th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
No kidding CT! LOL Going to have blog withdrawls after the draft. I’d say I’ll be complaining about who we drafted but really as much as I think Russell is a wasted pick, if he becomes a Raider I’ll still root for him. I’ll feel alot better getting him at 4 with all those added picks and a lot less cap impact though.
You can get JaMarcus Russell or…
You can get JaMarcus Russell and three other players
hmmmm….
April 16th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Good God. I like Jamarcus Russell a lot, and maybe I’m stupid, but IF the rumors are true about TB giving away the farm to get CJ, I’m all over it. I like the Herschel Walker trade comparison mentioned earlier is right on the money.
I just hope Bruce Allen doesn’t think about it too long.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
##4, 35, 64, and 68? It should also include the rights to Jake Plummer. But I’m still not sure I would pass on Calvin Johnson.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Ok, I thought Jamie Dukes was exaggerating last week but Maylock said it again today. Russell has been up to 300 pounds a couple of times in his QB career!?! Man! Oakland should put some clauses in his contract and hire guy just to follow him 24/7 and watch what he eats.
I like JR’s potential but as Maylock said today, “A bad high pick can set you back 3-5 years. That just makes JR a huge gamble with all his issues.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
I well would he study film and scheme with his stomach growling?
April 16th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
How well . . . (apologies)
April 16th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I read a article earlier in February that he was 300lbs. I thought it was a MISPRINT but apparently, true if one writer say it. LOL.. that’s pretty much tackle size, ZERO mobilty in the pocket, 100% sack IMO. Get the best player at 4th selection.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
jamarcus russell 300 lbs. ! This is the final straw. We definetly shouldn’t draft this guy if we have to worry about his weight . He even came to the combine 10 lbs. over when he knew he was going to be weighted. Wait until he gets that big money, eating that steak and lobster all the time, he’ll never be at the correct weight. He’ll already have his money and won’t listen to anyone. DON’T DRAFT JAMARCUS RUSSELL !!
April 16th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
lane kiffin, please convince AL Davis NOT TO DRAFT JAMARCUS RUSSELL !!! If we draft a Qb , get Brady Quinn, he fits our west coast offense. And he has more experience.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
You guys are idiots… Stop listnening to the media and listen to what the coach has to say…
When Kiffin was askd about Russel he said he was professional and there wasn’t a throw he couldn’t make, Also he said that he was nimble on his feet and if you look at his highlights you can see thAT he can scramble and evade pressure so stop hatin on RUSSEL iiiite… And do you guys really think all he is gonna spend his money on food…
April 16th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
If the rumors were true that would be great becaus basically in the 1st day we can fix meny problems that we need help with. This is how i would want the draft to be if tf the rumors were true…
#4 jamarcus russel if not availible Brady Quinn
#33 Jarvis moss DE
#35 Lawrence timmons OLB
#65 Tank Tyler DT
#68 Aaron Rouse
#99 Andy Alleman G
#100 Paul Williams WR
#102 Marshal Yanda T
#138 Garret Wolfe RB
#165 Scott Stepehson C
#175 Justin Medlock K
#211 Johnny Harline TE
#254 yamon figurs Wr ran a 4.3
With these picks we will of completed our defensive needs for an Dt DE OLB and S. then on offense We would have that QB that we need and o-line with depth behind them so they can step up their games. a RB with break away speed and he also has the ability to make people sleep. also we would have WR to back us up in case moss decides to sit out again.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
This guys a fatboy with tons of question marks. All he has for sure is a big arm, every thing else is question marks. Dedication, leadership, accuracy, timing, reading defenses, all of this is in question. But he’s big and has a big arm! This guys got bust written all over him.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Oh yeah, Jeff Geogre, kyle boller, joey harrington, tim couch, akili amith could make all the throws too. There’s more to it than just having a big arm and making all the throws.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
What else is he gonna spend his money on? Look at LenDale White! He got his 2nd round money and came to camp 30lb+ overweight, the Titans are shopping around already for another RB! He’s suppose to be a RB NOT a FB plus! The money for FOOD is TOO MUCH of a temptation for pro football players nowaday. The guys are FLABS NOT cut muscle like they use to be in the 70′-90’s pros. I say PASS on Russell even if he’s there at 8th selection.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
kiffin also said that calvin johnson was”perfect”…….
it makes zero, zilch, nada, no sense to take jruss #1. it’s a waste of a pick, especially with this nonsense of him “redshirting” a couple of years. i don’t know about you guys, but shouldn’t the #1 pick in the NFL be a player who is READY to play right away??? if he can’t step in on day one, i’m sorry, he’s not worthy of being the first player of the board. doesn’t anyone remember about 1 year ago when andrew walter was the future?? now all these “so-called” experts can say with a straight face, he’s not the answer after what he did under the walsh/shell travesty. golden boys jruss and quinn would’ve suffered the same fate as walter had they decided to cash in their lunch tickets a year earlier. being loyal is a big part of being a raider fan and there are some of us are having loyality issues with a guy who’s skills have yet to be fully realized. i undersatand getting impatient with a guy who OBVIOUSLY can’t perform, but how can that be said of walter?? where’s the proof?? if you’re going to judge him upon last year, you’ve got your head way up your ass, and shouldn’t be trusted around children or sharp objects. some of you guys see the words “1st pick” and “quarterback” in the same sentence and lose all ability to be rational.
draft CJ…..keep him or use him as trade bait…either way we win. don’t drink the “espn kool-aid”!!!!!! take peterson, adams, anyone but russell at #4 and take walter’s back-up in round 2 or 3. realize what we have and stockpile defensive picks….run the ball, play “D” and win games…..
if i have to hear “russell has the arm for the raiders’ vertical attack that al davis covets….” one more time i’m gonna snap!!!!
****disclaimer****—sorry for the rant. pre-draft anxiety is starting to set in!! RAIDER FROM BIRTH, verbal barbs not intended for you….i mostly disagree with you, but i always respect what you write.
……the autumn wind is a……………….
April 16th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
I was thinking maybe Raiders should look at Brian Lenard. The kid for Rutgner. He make a good FB and should be there in the 3-4th rounds. The extra picks help getting the guys I hope the Raiders look at.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
RTE… Russell scrambling sideway he’s gonna TRIP HIMSELF cause he’s too FAT and outta balance. See the picture… the FLABS gonna hold him down, he’s gonna huff and puff back to the huddle, Russell gonna lose stamina and strength cause of his weight/size ratio as a QB.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Plus, if Russell TIRED OUT easily. His arm strength is gonna DIMINISH. He don’t workout to get the definition an athlete suppose to have in the pros. It shows in the combine too. You cannot change a person habit.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
i love the notion “we could still get jruss at #4″!!!! what does that sentence tell you???? the “next-john-elway” shouldn’t be around at #4 no matter what the needs of teams 2-3. we’re if he’s the supreme talent the media makes him out to be, he should be taken off the board about 1.5 seconds after we draft and trade CJ!!!
why won’t that happen??? because he’s not even the best QB in this draft!!! the espn/media machine has deemed the raiders “team-nuts-enough-to-take-this-kid”, not because he’s a great QB, but because he can throw the deep ball, and is a perfect fit for the raiders vertical offense…….
there is only one problem….IT’S NOT 1967!!!!
keep in mind most of these asswipe espn/nfl network “experts” live on the east coast and are completely detached from raiderland.
i can’t wait to see mel kiper back pedal when we take CJ!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
I agree that Brian Leonard would be a great pick. Athletic, blocks, catches, runs, high character. One commentary a while back rated him highly but questioned his run blocking. I think Ray Rice would disagree. Leonard is excellent going through the hole and holding the second-level block. However, it doesn’t seem the Raiders will spend a first day pick on Leonard when they have signed Griffith.
April 16th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Well said, rich gannon’s [ . . . I can't bring my self to say the rest]
April 16th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
I agree, i’m tired of hearing these Experts talk about how we want the vertical game. Did they know we hired greg knapp (west coast offense) as offensive coodinator, and lane kiffin. (who runs a hybrid west coast offense)
April 16th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
it’s tough being the bastard son of the raiders’ greatest QB……..
somehow, i manage.
take it easy plunkett/stabler fans…..
just be happy i’m not donald_hollis”_love_child!!!!!!!
April 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Ok.. Griffith is on board. He’s not gonna be around forever, use a 2nd day pick on him if he’s there, if the Raiders trade the 1st pick, it’s more than enough to nab Leonard. Cut Crockett and make a roster spot for Leonard. He’s cheaper too.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
John Murphy and Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports report that some NFL types believe that the Buccaneers are planning to make a play for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. This is reported in http://www.Profootballtalk.com, i guess the Bucs have offered four first-day picks (No. 4, No. 35, No. 64, and No. 68) for the No. 1 pick. This means AL Davis won’t draft CJ but knows Russel doesn’t deserve a 1st overall pick, i just hope if we trade down we AP instead. JR is not even worth 4th overall pick, probably 24th pick….
April 16th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
Do you all really believe a pro team is gonna gamble a 1st round selection on a young fat still growing QB who has the potential to weight OVER 300lbs in the future? If I’m GM then I won’t do it cause my job is on the line for selecting Russell. Plus, the garantee money and salary deserving for someone who might be better than him… the other QBs like Stanton, Edwards and Beck. Russell got alot of of ?????
April 16th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Tampa bay is not going to give away that much for the #1. They need alot of holes to be filled, it’s not like they are on the verge of a champonship. Their not just one player away.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:07 am
I trade the 6-7th rounds back to the Bucs in exchange for the 1st selection. Just take their 2nd next year and I do the deal. Raiders get 4 picks, Bucs get Raiders lower 6-7th 4 picks or next year 7th.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:57 am
Tampa will give away that and maybe more. On the chart pro squads use, the trade is still a Tampa advantage. It would be close to the Vick-LT trade from #1 to #4.
On the value chart TB is still about 300 points short. Even the NFLN guys were saying it is possible because Gruden needs an impact WR to possibly save his job.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:10 am
Here is the draft value chart for those of you who care -
http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
April 17th, 2007 at 5:29 am
A site say it’s 130 points short. If it’s 300 points short then it’s 2 7th rounder. I was thinking a switch of giving Bucs the 6-7th picks and get a 2nd rounder next year. Then, it’s pretty much even out. Raiders still get 10 picks in the HIGH rounds.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:34 am
A site say the Browns gonna have to CHOOSE between Quinn and Peterson. I’m hoping they take Quinn cause I want Peterson to make a difference this year and NOT 1-2 years down the line with Quinn. Russell will be available at the 4th slection. The Lions at one site indicate they will take Gaines Adam or trade the pick to the Cards for Joe “another Gallery” Thomas.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:10 am
Wow what is with all of the CJ love on here?? This is mob overanalyzing at its best! CJ is a top 10 pick because of his size, very similar to Owens but i do not want to give away the top QB prospect in years for a WR. CJ doesnt have the breakaway speed Davis wants and needs along the lines. Hes more a tough posession receiver-we dont need that, we have that in Porter and Curry. We need a replacement for Moss. Id rather have Tedd Ginn Jr to better complement the receiver corps we have now. Jamarcus has it all, arguably best arm in all of football, college or pros, athletic, pocket presence, mobile, intelligent, quick release and something often overlooked-simply a great person-well bred. Star, franchise quality that doesnt come along often. Are we really considering not drafting at #1 where all the predictions say he will and should be drafted for a WR??????? Im not overly concerned here because im fairly certain Davis will draft jamarcus just thought it interesting how this wagon is tumbling down the wrong hill.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:28 am
Here is a good article on Quinn -
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6691622
NE Raider - I think many of us want to draft CJ so we can trade him to TB. I think most of us would like to get JR, but at #4 not #1.
April 17th, 2007 at 6:59 am
Quinn will be chose ahead of Russell for sure. Even if Russell is there at 4th selection I’d PASS on him, the hype macheine don’t work on me, I take Peterson over Russell. This might be HIGH for Peterson who many say will drop to the Bills. But, if NOT the durability issues, he’d be top 5 no questions.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:01 am
All the sites have Russell tag to the Raiders 100%. Whether it be 1st selection or 4th selection. They say the insiders source confirm this to the media.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:23 am
‘98 might be my all-time favorite Raiders draft. I was so pumped over getting Woodson, and he didn’t disappoint. Jon Ritchie was one of my favorite Raiders for the time he was here. I was really looking forward to seeing Leon Bender play. We needed a DT at the time and he had kind of a Warren Sapp quality about him. I remember thinking how we were going to finally be solid in the middle with a classy guy like Bender finally, then he died. I don’t know which one hurt more, him or Turner.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:29 am
JR is not even a consideration for best QB if Leinart and Vince Young are in this draft so why take him #1 this year? or even at #4 too much hype due to a weak crop of QB’s this year.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:41 am
Agreed Danny…agreed by the media, that Leinart, Young and Cutler were ALL 3 better prospects than Russell…where does the “best QB prospect in years” come from??? Maybe the best pure cannon in years…but overall QB prospect…that’s a bit much.
April 17th, 2007 at 7:45 am
I wonder WHO can throw farer with Accuracy… Jeff George or Russell?
April 17th, 2007 at 7:46 am
By the way Ryan Leaf, David Kingler, Kyle Boller, Todd Marinovich and Jim Drunkenmiller could all make the throws it got them real far didn’t it… The history of QB’s to win the SB the last few years all include QB’s who are intelligent (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Brad Johnson, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Joe Montana etc.) None known for their cannon arms or freakish athletic ability but with the exception of Brad Johnson all are or were the top QB’s of their time. Oh by the way Jim Drunkenmiller convinced the 49ers to take a chance on him after a breakout junior year followed by him picking up the back of a car in front of their scouts he was a freak of nature remind you of anyone?
April 17th, 2007 at 7:58 am
raider for eternity:
Peopel should stop listening to the media and listen to the coach.
Kiffin said Jamarcus was professional and there wasn’t a throw he couldn’t make.
Talk about damned with feint praise.
Mabey your the idiot, if you listened to the COACH you’d've heard this about CJ.
“Hes perfect.”
Lane Kiffin.
Don’t be too suprised when Fat ass plunges down the charts on draft day, moron.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:10 am
A site say Redskin are interested in Calvin Johnson. They gotta give up their entire 2007 draft and a 1st round selection plus more for the No.1 selection taking CJ.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:11 am
I mean Redskin 1st round selection in 2008 and maybe more for the Raiders No.1 selection.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am
Look at what picks the Redskins have left for 2007 they have there first round pick, a 5th, 6th, and 7th round pick and that’s it, the rest have already been traded away.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:21 am
This is a very interesting article by Pat Kirwan of NFL.com. He states that Oakland, Detroit and Browns MUST take a QB if available. He also brings up a very good point as to why Quinn is getting overanalyzed -
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10131489
April 17th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Pat Kirwan is an idiot, you draft CJ even if you want one of the QB’s because someone will want him and you can trade him earning extra picks and still end up with one of the 2 “top” QB’s
April 17th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Here you go boys!!!
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/OAK/10130517
April 17th, 2007 at 8:57 am
If we make the TB trade, it’s still okay if it goes 1. CJ 2 and 3 JR and Quinn. At 4 we should moving toward Gaines over AP or Thomas. Use the rest of our picks to get an RB (a little guy with great speed and can catch the ball), QB (take a shot a Troy Smith), and a WR (whomever falls between Jarrett, Ginn or trade up to get one of them). Then fill needs with the rest of the picks. The critics will be laughing at us for taking D with the first pick, but I think Kiffin was the real first pick that helped our O.
But if JR is there at 4, this is a great pick. He is guy we have to take a chance on, and with all the extra picks, if he is a bust, it shouldn’t hurt is too bad.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:07 am
I said it yesterday taking a guy like Landry would give us another trade option with both Miami and Atlanta who both covet Landry… Also Don’t forget Amobi Okoye he is only 19!!! and a young Warren Sapp.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:08 am
Danny - the nugget I take from that article you just posted is that Kiffen wants a QB that fits his system, not the other way around. Quinn seems to fit the system better than JR, but I think McCown also fits what Kiffen wants to run.
I think that if the Raiders take CJ it opens the door for the McCown trade. I think Detroit wants the Raiders to show their hand first before solidifying the deal. Detoit would rather the Raiders not take CJ so that Detroit can work the trade with TB for CJ. Trading McCown now only hurts them.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Add this article with Favre saying he is 100% sure Moss will be a Packer and the McCown trade rumors and you have the Raiders taking CJ #1 and either trading or keeping him but JR does not fit the system for a mobile QB in a scheme that is geared towards moving the chains not going bombs away.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Russell at 4th selection still require UPFRONT money and garantees. I’m not an advocate of paying that sum for someone REDSHIRT 1-2 years. Plus, all the flaws I posted in this blog.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Not to blow this out of proportion, but Either Quinn or JR could still be there at #8. I could see the Raiders taking CJ and only one QB going in the next 2 picks. Based on that premise, trading CJ to TB and taking Landry becomes realistic. Like you said Danny, Atlanta would love to work a deal at that point. I know this is very idealistic, but Quinn or JR could be our at #8 if we wanted him. One of Okoye, Branch or J. Anderson certainly will be.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Quinn GONE before the 8th selection. Russell a good possibilty.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:19 am
If this supposed rumor were to happen, I see the Bucs possibly throwing in a QB to make up the 130 point difference in the draft chart—Jake Plummer anyone?? Hell, even Jeff Garcia is a possibility. Maybe we sign Culpepper, though I don’t agree with it, since it looks like he will be cut soon. The Raiders could sign him to an incentive-laden contract.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:00 am
5 guys have commandeered this Blog pushing CJ all day everyday. Me thinks somethings fishy around here. With the Raiders with the #1 pick, what better place for “Special Interests” for mischef?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Okay KoolKell you seriously either need to take your meds or to read what we are saying about taking CJ… We are saying to take him at #1 trade him to TB for their 4 1st round picks including #4 and take JR or the best player available at that spot… You still get the QB you want but at a discounted price plus extra picks to load up your team see the Cowboys of the 90’s thanks to the Herschel Walker trade
April 17th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Quinn is having dinner with Mr. Davis right this minute. If we trade #1 with the Bucs it
is because we have decide that Quinn will be better in the pros than JR and betting that
Quinn will still be there at #4…..
April 17th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
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April 17th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
I agree about Ritchie. What a tough FB. He always had that one spot on his forehead bleeding. He opened holes without complaints. He was quiet and never caused any problems off the field. I was sorry to see him go to the Eagles. To bad about Leon Bender, I’m sure he’d have made a tremendous player. Woodson would have been great, but his ego got in the way. Smith was a good player. Mo Collins, to bad he couldn’t stay away from the large portions from McDonalds…………
April 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
The Raiders WILL Draft CJ this year, and They WILL trade him to the Buc’s for a Bounty of Picks, but they will do the Smart thing and Wait until Tampa Bay is on the Clock. If Quinn is there they pull the Trigger for Tampa’s 1st 4 picks in the Draft…if Quinn isn’t there then you ask for more Compensation such as maybe next years #1 Pick and then Draft Peterson or Thomas (Russell won’t be there because there is no way he gets past the browns at #3). If tampa won’t play ball then screw’em…keep Johnson and Trade Moss to GB for a bounty of picks. We can get a decent QB prospect in the 2nd or 3rd round (Edwards, Stanton, Kolb), who can then learn behind Andrew Walter who I’m not ready to completely give up on. The Economics simply dictate that we do just that. The Value for this years number one pick is just too high to blindly pick Russell (who NO ONE is asking to trade up for!) who even experts agree is a 50/50 shot of being a John Elway of a Ryan Leaf…not to mention the $ we’ll have to pay him Guaranteed before he even gets on the practice field. I’m not a Russell “hater” and he might just be the next John Elway, but I don’t think he’s worth the risk. We can REALLY improve the Team in this years Draft…but it all starts with us Drafting CALVIN JOHNSON…