Draft review: 1999
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, April 17th, 2007 at 10:14 am in Oakland Raiders.
Fifth in a series reviewing Raiders’ draft classes since they returned to Oakland in 1995:
1/18_Matt Stinchcomb, G, Georgia
2/40_Tony Bryant, DE, Florida State
4/102_Dameane Douglas, WR, California
5/146_Eric Barton, LB, Maryland
5/153_Rod Coleman, DT, East Carolina
6/186_Daren Yancey, DT, Brigham Young
7/224_JoJuan Armour, SS, Miami-Ohio
The top pick_Stinchcomb came out of college as not only a distinguished all-SEC player, but also as an honors student of impeccable character. A supposedly safe choice. For some reason, the Raiders paid no attention to a shoulder subluxation Stinchcomb incurred as senior. Perhaps it was because Stinchcomb went ahead and played in a bowl game despite the injury.
Stinchcomb, of course, would need reconstructive surgery on his shoulder before the end of his rookie season. Neither he nor Mo Collins, drafted the previous year in Round 1, ever became an established starting left tackle. Stinchcomb had starting stints at tackle, guard and center and could hold none of them.
Could have had_Luke Petitgout, who became a solid starter for the New York Giants and who recently signed with Tampa Bay, went No. 19, one pick after Stinchcomb . . . the Raiders were only one of 31 teams that missed out on Colorado State LB Joey Porter, taken by the Steelers in the third round (No. 73 overall).
Bad luck_Second-round pick Bryant showed signs of becoming a solid base end with 10.5 sacks in 2000 and 2001, but he suffered a serious neck injury in 2002 and was cut for medical reasons. He resurfaced with New Orleans, where he played through 2005.
Draft bargains_It would be difficult to top Oakland’s fifth-round bonanza of Bryant and Coleman, who both signed lucrative free agency contracts following the 2003 season. Barton became a starter late in his rookie season and in 2002, when Oakland won the AFC championship, was one of their best defensive players. Currently a starter with the New York jets. Coleman was a find in that he was an outside linebacker at East Carolina who developed into a dangerous interior pass rusher as a tackle. Had 11 sacks in 2002, but as after Bill Callahan’s team imploded the following season, couldn’t get out of town fast enough after voiding his contract. Has 28 sacks in three years with the Atlanta Falcons.
On the other hand_Douglas, a tremendously productive receiver at Cal, lacked the speed to separate, got off on the wrong foot with Jon Gruden, and didn’t make it out of training camp.
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April 17th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Petitgout would have been nice. If Bryant stayed healthy, he would have been great. Unfortunately we didn’t have a 3rd round pick to get Porter.
Jerry, any buzz on the TB trade rumor?
April 17th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Jerry, any word on JR’s visit, did he indeed visit last thursday? Haven’t heard didley.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Of course he visited and so did CJ and so will AP and Quinn and Landry and all the other top prospects and all of it means exactly nothing!!! Cutler didn’t even visit the Donkeys last year but was selected by them.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Hey Jerry quit doing these they are depressing me. It seems we cant draft anyone in the first 3 rounds without it blowing up in our face. I am now not even going to watch the first day of the draft all of our stars will come on the second day.
What is up with the possibility of the TB trade Jerry, hear any rumblings?
April 17th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
I wouldn’t mind if we took this guy in the 2nd or 3rd round
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10123560/1
Talk about a player every team needs to have
April 17th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Teams are allowed to have 30 players in for visits pre-draft. It doesn’t mean much. Expect less news going into the last week as teams want to keep their plans secret so someone else doesn’t mess them up.
Detroit is lobbying hard for Oakland to stand pat and take JR. Their trade value with pick #2 goes in the tank if Oakland does the TB deal or drafts CJ.
Expect the McCown trade to not take place until draft day. Why? Well, if Oakland moves to #4 people will expect them to get JR or BQ at #4. If they really plan on McCown and drafting Thomas, AP, Landry or Adams they don’t want somebody like Ariz switching with Cleveland and taking their target.
Fans want to know, but it is best for the team to keep things quiet. You’ll notice all the league sources talking about trade rumors are from teams other than the trade partners. It is all speculation and gamesmanship.
April 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
I like that guy Danny - lots of heart. I imagine he’ll be around in the 3rd round or even the 4th despite the scouts talking him up. The article was right to point out the NFL love specialization so he’ll probably be around. I’d love to see us get him though.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
For a list of compelling reasons why we should not take JaMarcus Russell with the first pick, I advise you to read the article “2007 Quarterbacks Draft Preview” by David Lewin on http://www.footballoutsiders.com.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
ESPN SportCenter Special: Raiders on the clock:
Question #1 Is JaMarcus Russell the Raiders Pick?
Allen: Yes, (need to address this position)
Reece: Yes, (but Russell won’t affect this years team)
Question #2 Should the Raiders trade Moss?
Allen: No (let him get back to the pro bowl player he was)
Reece: No (to many factors to make a trade work)
Question #3 Is Lane Kiffin over his head?
Allen: Yes, (sites inexperienced staff)
Reece: Yes, (sites inexperience and that a veteran team will run him rather than the other way around)
Question #3 Will the Raiders have the first pick again in 2008?
Allen: No, (sites the strong defense)
Reece: Yes, (sites young coach, young staff, and young quarterback)
ESPN just lover the Raiders.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
For KluelessKell ……………. since he says no one has anything bad to say about JR and he likes to cut and paste longggggggggggggggg articles.
JaMarcus Russell
Russell is possibly the most physically talented quarterback prospect since John Elway. He’s 6-foot-6, 260 pounds with an arm that makes Brett Favre look like Danny Wuerffel. Russell is also a good runner and his arm strength allows him to hit any open receiver while he is on the move. He has huge hands, which help him avoid fumbles, and remarkably quick feet for such large man. Physically, Russell compares favorably to Daunte Culpepper, Byron Leftwich, and Ben Roethlisberger, all of whom have had some degree of success in the NFL. Assuming he can get his weight under control, Russell figures to be more mobile than Leftwich and Roethlisberger, but not as good of a runner as pre-injury Culpepper.
However, hidden behind Russell’s immense physical talent are a couple of major red flags. For starters, as recently as last summer’s training camp, Russell was engaged in a fierce quarterback battle with Matt Flynn and Ryan Perriloux. There were rumors that Russell was gone to the NFL at the end of the season no matter how the year went, simply, because he was unsure that he’d be able to hold onto the starting job again. Russell emerged from the controversy to have a great season, but it was the first of his career in which he was statistically the best passer on his team. While this history doesn’t doom Russell (Tom Brady had similar issues), I would still be wary of spending the number one overall pick and the 25 million dollar signing bonus that comes with it on a guy who wasn’t even the clear-cut starter his final year in college. Less than six months ago, very few experts considered Russell a first-round pick. FO’s own Michael David Smith, for example, wrote “I don’t see Russell as a first-round pick at all” in the discussion thread for Seventh Day Adventure on September 17th. Late risers usually fail to live up to the hype.
An even bigger issue with Russell is that he is an atrocious decision maker. He consistently throws the ball into double and triple coverage. Like Favre he often gets away with it by making spectacular throws. Still, field vision is the single most important quality for a quarterback. You can get away with being average in this regard if you have superior arm strength and accuracy, but Russell still has a ways to go before he can be considered average at seeing the field.
Russell also has the tendency to simply throw the ball up for grabs when he gets confused. If you watched the Sugar Bowl you saw this happen on an early in the fourth quarter interception. Russell clearly blew his underneath reads, panicked, and just lofted the ball up. It went pretty much unnoticed because he played an otherwise stellar game, but it is a recurring problem. These passes didn’t always end up picks in college because Dwayne Bowe, Craig Davis and Early Doucet (all future first day picks) did a nice job of winning jump balls. That won’t fly at the next level.
Another concern is that Russell ran a fairly simple offense at LSU. The Tigers eschewed complexity partly to avoid confusing Russell, and partly because complexity was not necessary for an offense as talented as LSU’s. Russell can make very difficult throws when he knows where to go with the ball, so the LSU coaching staff didn’t have to get fancy. This will still be true to a degree in the NFL. In fact Drew Bledsoe did pretty well in his first few years in the league in a Patriots offense using similar principles. Unfortunately coaches often seem reluctant to play to their quarterback’s strengths (see Vick, Michael) and try to force unique players into the cookie-cutter mold. Russell will struggle with an NFL-style offense at first, but if he’s coached well (like Vince Young was last season) then this shouldn’t be a prohibitive factor in his development.
All of these issues are related. Because of Russell’s knack for making boneheaded plays at the worst possible times, he had Matt Flynn and Ryan Perrilloux breathing down his neck his whole college career. Any team that drafts him must be prepared to tolerate some very questionable decisions interspersed with Russell’s trademark spectacular throws. He is also known to get down on himself and get rattled when things are not going well. All in all he has a number of characteristics that you don’t like to see in a young quarterback.
Russell’s understanding of the game is questionable at best. He constantly infuriated LSU fans with his inability to manage situations properly. Pretty much everything that Russell is can be summed up by describing the final drive from this year’s LSU-Auburn game.
LSU took over with 1:04 to go at their own 20-yard line trailing 7-3 with no timeouts remaining. On the first play from scrimmage Auburn sat back in a soft Cover-2 zone with the safeties deep. Russell didn’t notice this until it was too late and threw the ball out of bounds over the head of Craig Davis who was open running a vertical route down the sideline. The LSU coaching staff called Russell over and pointed out that he could pick the zone apart by throwing the ball to Davis in the Cover-2 hole at the sideline 20 yards downfield.
LSU then went out and ran the exact same play two more times. Russell hit Davis for gains of 20 and 21 yards. Davis was immediately drilled out of bounds both times. The Auburn safeties came flying downhill because they knew what was coming, but they couldn’t stop it. Russell simply got the ball there too fast.
All of a sudden LSU was driving. They had the ball on the Auburn 39-yard line with 50-odd seconds to go. Auburn, knowing they were in trouble, changed up their defense getting out of the soft Cover-2. Russell went back to pass, and seeing something different from what he was expecting, got confused. Luckily the protection was good and he was able to scan the field for four or five seconds. Still not seeing anything he liked, Russell began to roll to his right. He escaped the pressure and continued to move towards the sideline at a leisurely pace. Instead of throwing the ball away to stop the clock Russell decided to tuck it and duck upfield. He was tackled in-bounds at the line of scrimmage for no gain.
He got up without any sense of urgency and with a grin on his face. He seemed to be quite pleased with himself for avoiding a sack and maybe picking up a yard. After about a second he finally heard all the people screaming for him to spike the ball and began to hustle to the line. However by then it was too late. By the time LSU got set and spiked it there were only 25 seconds remaining. Russell had just wasted 20 crucial seconds. I have only rarely been angrier while watching a football game (not because I’m an LSU fan, I’m not, but because I like to see the game played intelligently).
Russell ended up bouncing back on the next play by hitting Dwayne Bowe for 20 yards putting LSU back in striking distance with under ten seconds remaining. However he followed that up with a stupid illegal formation penalty that pushed them back to the 24-yard line, and then hit Craig Davis for a 19-yard gain with no time left on the clock. Overall Russell’s numbers for the game looked pretty good (20/35, 267 yards, no TDs or picks), but when it counted he made certain LSU would come up short. That pretty much says all there is to say about Russell. He will tantalize you with impossible throws, but there is significant evidence that mentally he doesn’t have what it takes to be a great quarterback.
So, overall Russell has a pretty risky profile from a scouting perspective. He might be great, but he could be the next Jeff George (which, unless you’re Jason Whitlock, is not a good thing). That could be enough to keep teams from taking him first, but probably not. Here’s something that should: Russell started only 29 games at LSU. Over the past ten years, collegiate games started has been the single greatest predictor of NFL success for early first-round quarterbacks. Since 1997 seven quarterbacks who started fewer than 30 games in college have been drafted in the top ten: Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith. Who’s the best player on that list? Michael Vick? Alex Smith? I don’t even know. All I know is that list does not leave me saying, “I gotta get me some of that.”
There is one positive indicator among Russell’s college stats: The player to whom he is most similar is Vince Young. Young started 32 games, Russell 29. Both completed 61.8 percent of their passes. Both lost starts because they platooned with an upper classman during their freshman year. Both are tall, strong, and obviously both are African-American. But the similarity only goes so far. Young started three more games than Russell. That doesn’t seem like a significant number, but it is. Young has also been only moderately successful as passer and will probably never be one of the best passers in the league. As long as he’s above-average, it’s not a problem, because he brings so much to the table with his running ability. Russell, on the other hand, will succeed or fail based on his ability to pass the ball. He’s decently mobile, but he is nowhere near Young’s caliber as a scrambler. Even if he lives up to the comparison and becomes a slightly worse passer than Vince Young, I doubt people will consider that a success.
All in all, I would be very wary investing $25 million guaranteed in a guy who barely won his starting job in college, doesn’t see the field well, is known to be immature, and has an unfavorable statistical profile. At least the Raiders will be able to admire the velocity and distance of Russell’s passes on their way to the arms of opposing defensive backs.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
From the same article:
I’ve read in a couple of different places recently that the Raiders are thinking of passing on a quarterback in round one because they want to select Trent Edwards of Stanford in round two. I am unsure what to say about this decision. On the one hand, if they are really sure that Calvin Johnson is going to an outstanding player then they should take him. Drafting Russell so early would be a mistake, so avoiding that would have to be considered a positive.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Nice article Danny….you just never know where the next sleeper will come from. That is what we all want… to be the one that spotted some guy that slipped past everyones radar and becomes a great player….Then we can say” see I told you all”…most of the time we are wrong and hope everyone forgets…Then once in awhile we get a Howie Long from Villanova that no one heard of and he ends up in the Hall of Fame. Goes to show everyone in the draft is nothing more than a best guess as to who will be great and who will flop.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Wow Dragon Rider, that was a great article. I hope the Kiffin staff knows these things and passes on JR. Let him be Clevelands bust, not ours.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
NFL.com
Adam Scheffter is reporting Tory James signed a one year deal with the Pats.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
wow…that is the first REAL analysis of the guy that I’ve seen
April 17th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
JR’s numbers don’t suggest poor decision making:
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2004 LSU 73 144 50.7 1053 7.3 9 42 4 127.2
2005 LSU 188 311 60.5 2443 7.9 15 50 9 136.6
2006 LSU 232 342 67.8 3129 9.1 28 58 8 167
QB ratings speak for themselves. I rumor mongers speak for whom?
April 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
great article dragonrider… Some really great information in their especially about the QB’s with less than 30 starts.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Surrounded by 3 receivers that are first day talent and he only threw 28 TD’s and 52 total for his college career that says he is over rated.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
That long, mostly negative article on Russell was just one opinion. People are micro-anaylizing everything at this point. Over-hining.Russe is at the top of most mock draftsf or a reason; He’s a huge talent that comes along every 10 years or so, and the Raiers need franchise qb.
LSU had a very sophisticated defense and accodng to their D-cordinator, Russell was very good at audibilizing to favorable matchups. Take all these artcles with a grain of salt.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
i see reports that the Bucs are talking with the Raiders to give away their 1st day picks i.e. 1 1st Rd, 2 2nd Rd and 1 3rd Round for the Raiders no 1 pick so that they can get CJ. I think th Raiders should go for it and still get Quinn or Russell at 4 and then a whole lot of picks to build their offense.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
JaMarcus Russell 25wins 4 losses in 3 years
Brady Quinn 29wins 19 losses in 4 years
JaMarcus Russell wins the head to head in a dominating performance, and you want Al Davis to draft who?
April 17th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I am taking all these articles with a grain of salt …………………………….. all the ones where the Raiders should take an inexperienced QB ………….. like JR, with the first pick.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
For KoolKell: The QB ratings in NCAA and the NFL are calculated differently. For example, in the NFL, Russell’s final season at LSU equates to an NFL QB rating of 114.3.
Here’s a link: http://www.primecomputing.com/
April 17th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I want Al Davis to draft CJ
April 17th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
More info on the comparison for you
In my opinion, Quinn’s college stats match up pretty well with his scouting profile. He completed 58.0 percent of his passes in college and started 46 games. This projects Quinn as a good pro quarterback, but not a great one. Here is the complete list of players drafted in first two rounds over the past ten years who started at least 35 games and completed at least 57 percent of their passes: Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Chad Pennington, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler.
Are there any bad players on that list? The worst according to my numbers is Eli Manning, and he’s been decent (maybe not up to expectations, but decent). I would be happy to spend a top ten pick on most of those players.
Brady Quinn’s closest comparables paint an even prettier picture. Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler all started 45 games, and completed 59, 58 and 57 percent of their passes respectively. If Quinn’s pro career is as similar to those players as his college stats are, then he should be good enough to justify a high pick.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Sacks Against Brady Quinn:
2004 25 sacks
2005 20 sack
2006 31 sacks
Sacks Against JaMarcus Russell:
2004 13 sacks
2005 21 sacks
2006 15 sacks
What was that about pocket presense?
April 17th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
i really hope that culpepper gets cut and we sign him on the cheap and that we trade for Mkcown. Then IN the 1st round we can either get CJ and if this rumor is true about the bucs giving us their first day draft pick then trade the pick to the bucs and then we could get S laron landry or something or DT . then later with the extra picks we can Troy smith and a DT, DE and OLB and use the rest on offense to help rebuild our offense. Then at the QB spot we will have culpepper walter mkcown and smith all battlle it out for the starting role at QB…
April 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
We need a vocal field general, not one that leads by example….who that person is, I don’t know….maybe Andrew Walter, maybe not. I don’t think JR fits this profile….I said it before and I’ll say it again. I’d rather take a guy with less talent that will bust his ass for me, then a guy with all the talent in the world who has a questionable work ethic and desire for the game. Kinda funny how JR has been pretty absent during this whole process. He hasn’t so much as uttered a single word….about anything!!! Where is this kid’s head at? I haven’t got a clue.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
LSU had a better O-line how is that a fair comparison? If anything you just made a stronger case for Quinn proving that he racked up more wins despite mediocre talent around him.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Let’s see how many of Quinns supporting cast go in the NFL draft first 2 rounds, he didn’t have near the team surrounding as JR did. It’s a team game, JR played against a defense that wasnt near as good as the defense BQ played against. But as I said before I’m not for either JR or BQ …………. we take CJ.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
JaMarcus Russell Vs Brady Quinn, Sugar Bowl January 03, 2007
W: JaMarcus Russell 21-34 332yds
April 17th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
It’s as clear as day—we take CJ….we change the whole complexion of the draft in our favor. It’s a win-win either way.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
JaMarcus Russell Vs Brady Quinn, Sugar Bowl January 03, 2007
W: JaMarcus Russell 21-34 332yds, QB rating 157.2
L: Brady Quinn 15-35, 148 yds, QB rating of 85.8
Al Davis loves winners. Just Win Baby!
April 17th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
It doesn’t matter who we select, we, as fans, will embrace them no matter who it is….
April 17th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
“If we draft CJ we change the whole complexion of the draft in our favor” I don’t know how anybody knows that.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
KoolKell your arguments for JR make no sense you have no basis for your argument… Your argument for JR is the Sugar Bowl? Okay What did the LSU defensive ranking and Notre Dames ranking
Total Defense
LSU: 3rd
Notre Dame: 65th
Pass Defense
LSU: 3rd
Notre Dame: 60th
Conclusion: KoolKell is an idiot for trying to compare Brady Quinn going against the 3rd ranked pass defense to Russell going against the 60th ranked defense
And Just to make him further look even more stupid than he has already made himself look.
Sacks
LSU: 6th
Notre Dame: 38th
April 17th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
I’m an idiot & JaMarcus is fat & Lazy. I’m going to stay on the high road, for now.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Your arguments make no sense KoolKell you have not provided one single solitary shred of evidence to prove Russell is better than Quinn
April 17th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
You said it all Klueless ………… you don’t know ………………. enough said.
JR is not worth a #1 pick period.
Draft CJ …………. there are other teams wanting him ……………… alot more then they want JR. All the experts you are so fond of speaking of have not mentioned any other team being even a little bit interested in Russell, even the Browns who have such a history with the kid, since he was 15. They will deal with the Raiders to get CJ, then if Russell is around with the 4th pick you pick him up …………….. if and its a strong if AL Davis and Kiffen think he is what they are looking for. The Raiders need to make the most of this number 1 pick ………….. for the Raiders future, not stick their head up their ass as it’s obvious that you are doing as your comments prove.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Well which is it? Did Brady Quinn play for an offensive genius (Weiss) which the argument goes he’s mor NFL Ready, or did he play for bums which gave up a bunch of sacks. You can’t have it both ways.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
The coach and the team are two different things Klueless, you really have no knowledge of football do you? You can have a great coach and a bad team just in case you were not aware of this fact. See the Titans the last few years despite having Jeff Fisher who is considered one of the best coaches in the NFL
April 17th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
ND has been overrated for a long time, it takes 3 years for your recruiting class to show much like drafting in the NFL. Next year will be a telling time on how Weiss is doing over all, coaching and recruiting. He did ok with what he inherited from the previous coach.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
If I remember right Coach Carroll wasnt all that spectacular when he first got to USC, untill he started fielding the team he recruited. Weiss did ok getting all he got out of Quinn considering the surrounding talent.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
so do you blame jr are for having better players omg you are too funny dragon rider you have a lot of time on you hand to come with all this down talking of jr lol ,.Stats don’t mean any thing mr it’s all about wins and loses t thats all we care about.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
You’re right …………… how many wins are you planning on getting having JR having to sit the bench for a couple years, until he learns enough to start in the NFL.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Personnally I dont blame JR for anything …………………. my point is we dont take him if we want to win now. All the “experts” say he will be Great …………….. after redshirting a couple years.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Eric are you one of the old Valley Girls …………….. havent heard OMG in years.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Eric ……………….. where are you ……………….. are you a one post wonder or are you going to take another 3 hours to formulate your next reply mr ( is that how YOU use mr, Eric ).
April 17th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Dragonrider ……………. you seem to …………. have a ……………….. problem on your keyboard. Your …………………………… key is …………… stuck.
Jerry: greatly enjoying the series. Eagerly awaiting the next one. Fragmenting my sentences.
April 17th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
I dont spend all my time on a blog trying break down down man i know nothing about if that the case break how quinn nvr wins the big game tell how cj might banother keyshawn johnson tell that .They said the same thing about v. young he needs to red shrit and all he did was win games and i’m the first not too compare players but they said the same thing.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:13 am
Anyone on here who thinks Quinn is even close to Jamarcus, knows nothing about football, plain and simple.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:07 am
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April 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Rone, nope ……………….. makes it easier for the Klueless people to read ……………….. see it worked for you.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Thanks, Dragonrider. Enjoy the rest of 8th grade.