Draft review: 2000
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 18th, 2007 at 5:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Sixth in a series reviewing Raiders’ draft classes since they returned to Oakland in 1995:
1/17_Sebastian Janikowski, PK, Florida State
2/47_Jerry Porter, WR, West Virginia
4/107_Junior Ioane, DT Arizona State
5/142_Shane Lechler, P, Texas A&M
7/227_Mondriel Fulcher, TE, Miami
7/231_Clifton Black, S, S.W. Texas State
The top pick_No one had drafted a place kicker in the first round since New Orleans selected Russell Erxleben in 1979, but that didn’t stop Al Davis from taking Janikowski, the bad boy kicker from Florida State. Strictly a need pick _ place kickers had cost the Raiders dearly since they dumped Jeff Jaeger in favor of Cole Ford in 1995 _ Janikowski has had his moments but has in no way justified the No. 17 overall pick.
Janikowski seems to have matured in terms of personal discipline the past few years, but it hasn’t helped him become anything special as a kicker. He has made a respectable 90 percent of his kicks from 39 yards and in (94-for-104). He wasn’t taken that early just to make the easy ones, however, and despite the powerful left leg, Janikowski has converted just 56 percent (58-for-103) from 40 yards and beyond.
The supposedly endless stream of touchbacks on kickoffs hasn’t materialized either. Janikowski has 85 touchbacks in seven seasons, with a high of 22 in 2002.
Could have had_Two selections after Janikowski, the Seattle Seahawks drafted Shaun Alexander, who has 22 more touchdowns than Janikowski has touchbacks.
Hot and cold_Porter, a quarterback, safety and wide receiver at West Virginia, has struggled with “authority figure” coaches Jon Gruden and Art Shell, and with injuries. When healthy and happy (2002, 2004-05) he’s been a productive player.
Draft bargain_If spending a first-round pick on place kicker was pure folly, using their fifth round selection on a punter was brilliant. Lechler is the NFL’s all-time leading punter in terms of yards per kick.
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April 18th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
These are sum offseason moves that i think would benefit the raiders… They should talk to al wilson and move him to OLB…. Or sign lavar arrington and have him at OLB Then our linebackers will be pretty raw. i would rather have Al wilson because he is good and a solid veteran who can help our young defense mature. Then either make a trade for Mkcown or just or sign rattay or culpepper(hopefully he gets cut before the draft). I would like to take culpepper because he was good at one time but hopefully his knee recovers… Then with the #1 overall draft pick we take CJ, we probably will need him considering that the broncos have two solid CB dre bly and champ bailey… Then we could get jarvis moss in the 2nd and tank tyler in the 3rd. then our defense will be even better. then with the other 3rd round we can take troy smith because kiffin needs a mobile QB and who else is better that troy smith although Chris leak can be a possibility here. Then in the fourth we can grab a tackle to upgrade sims, even though we just signed cornell green who is a tackle. then with the two 5th round picks we can take yamon figurs WR and KR specialkist and garret wolfe a RB that differs from jordan and rhodes cus he has speed 4.38 and has the ability to make people miss and i really think that given the chance this guy is going to be one hell of a RB. then with 6th we can take a guard and with the two 7th round picks any sleepers that are out there…
What do you guys think??????????
April 18th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
I will go to my grave thinking that Janikowski was the absolute worst Raider draft pick of all time and nothing anyone says will ever make me change my opinion on that matter. Kickers are a dime a dozen, and you DO NOT DRAFT THEM IN THE FIRST ROUND! And to make it worse, we could have had Shaun Alexander! In the words of the immortal Comic Book Guy from the “Simpsons” WORST DRAFT PICK EVER!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
I’ve never felt the Raiders were very good in the draft. How many of their starters are home grown. Maybe it’s been better in recent years but, I’d bet most teams have a lot more home grown talent than the Raiders.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Jano a wasted pick. LOL
April 18th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Shuan Alexander was on the board too. Worst than the Dudley over Eddie George mishap in 1996. LOL… I hope they draft better this time around.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
This is the second DISASTER draft aside the 1996 draft!
April 18th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Friggin 2 STUD RB slip by the Raiders. They’d got nothing to show for after all these season with the guys pick over Alexander and George.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
I bet we’d coulda had Jano in the 4th or 5th round of 2000. Porter is another ENIGMA from the 2000 draft, a overpaid headcase with talent, show you physical speciamen is not all that for the pros.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
RTE… it’s a good move. Use the 7th on sleepers too. I draft defense HIGH too. Move up in the rankings… Al Wilson is a good move…if he comes cheap. Arrington might retire. Smith is good if Stanton is gone IMO.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
yeah i have been wating for thr 60 yard field the touchbacks the game winning field goals. Shane has been good though.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20….
Even the Seahawks weren’t expected to take Alexander b/c they already had Ricky Watters. He was simply a best player available pick.
At the time the Raiders were losing close games due to crappy kickers. It was stricly a need pick so why not take the best kicking prospect in ages?
In fact, it sort of reminds me of this year. The need is at QB but the best player is at WR…
April 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
There have been alot of topics as of late and its been so hard to keep up as work is busy. I tried reading everything but found it impossible.
The fact that Jerry McDonald sent out a blog regarding Quinn shows a possibility that the Raiders are truly interested in Quinn over C.J. or Russell. Looking at the possibility of Tim Rattay as a backup only backs that arguement as well. Rattay has no comparable skills to Russell and is a West Coast type QB who could definately help a guy like Quinn. It is very nice to see the upgraded support regarding Quinn because I feel that he deserves it. People are really starting to see the light about Russell and its no wonder that many people didn’t talk about his visit to the Raiders because there was really nothing to talk about. Russell just doesn’t fit the mold of what the Raiders are doing. Period.
April 18th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Does it really matter how long some of us have been Raider fans? We know who the true fans are regardless of whether we agree with them. We all may not like what KoolKell has to say sometimes but to his credit, he sticks by what he believes in regardless of whether I believe it or someone else believes it or not. The fact that he wants whats best for the Raiders is what counts and there are many on here who are definately true Raider fans. In fact…being a fan after a 2-14 season means we are not bandwagon people. We are willing to stick around during the rough times. I’m guilty of getting crazy on this thing to and I probably will again but I thought I would point that out while I am sane at this point in time. Win, lose or tie…Raiders till I die!!!
April 18th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Danny - You’re on Wikipedia.com my friend. I wish I could have shared the same experience as you with being drafted and all. I always dreamed of being an NFL player but the reality of only being 5′7 1/2 in height makes it for a difficult transition to the bigger boys of the world. I would like to keep my body intact so that I can walk when I get old but the liklihood of me making in the NFL would be slim to none so I concentrate on following the Raiders and living my dreams through the team itself and fantasy football helps ya know? Hah. If I could have been 6′3 and 232 like my homie Brady Quinn. Damn.
Wikipedia.com
Dan Reeder is an American NFL running back who most recently played for the Pittsburgh Steelers. “Delaware Dan” Reeder attended the University of Delaware and was drafted in the fifth round of the 1985 NFL Draft by the Los Angeles Raiders. He was cut by the Raiders and signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers. He played parts of the 1986 and 1987 seasons with Pittsburgh, appearing in 13 games. He carried the ball eight times for 28 yards and caught two passes for four yards. He also returned four kickoffs for 52 yards.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Johnson might be worth top pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2841548&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2
April 18th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Titans QB Vince Young to be the next Madden cover guy.
It looks like Young is going to scramble his way to being injured this season and then he will be forced to be a pocket passer. He will then have a nice career like Steve McNair but find himself hurt most of the time..No?
http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames/news/story?id=2840830
April 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Profootballtalk.com
L.T. SAID NO TO MADDEN
“The deal usually pays the cover athlete $100,000 to $200,000 and requires multiple appearances to pump up the game,” Rovell writes. “Since the Madden game sort of sells itself, the athlete on the cover doesn’t really matter that much, but expect more NFL stars to turn down the cover in the future, not because of the curse, but because the price is just too low.”
April 18th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Profootballtalk.com
LEINART LIKES TO DRIVE FAST
Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart has been caught speeding four times by special cameras installed in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Once in June 2006 and three times in March 2007, Leinart was clocked going at least 11 miles per hour over the speed limit.
Leinart has not been arrested and no charges have been filed against him. If/when it happens, he’ll rack up some Turd Watch points for the Turdinals.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Profootballtalk.com
JOHNSON, ADAMS, OKOYE ADMIT TO MARIJUANA USE
Looks like a ploy to push Calvin Johnson down the draft by saying he used Marijuana. Smooth. I could care less if he smoked pot in College personally. Most people have or still do. Whatever.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Profootballtalk.com
ODD FACT ABOUT THE MADDEN COVER
While we’re skirting the fringes of potentially controversial subjects that potentially could get us fired if we didn’t own the place, a reader recently pointed out to us an odd fact regarding the Madden NFL video game franchise.
Of all of the players who have appeared on the cover of the game, none of them is white.
Not that we have a problem with that. Obviously, most of the players in the NFL aren’t white. But considering that quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and Tom Brady have performed at a high level during the years since 1999 in which the series has placed the image of a player on the cover, it’s weird that none of them have ever made the cut.
Especially since the guy after whom the game is named, John Madden, typically reacts like the first shot out of a roman candle when any of those three above-mentioned names is mentioned in his presence.
We don’t know what this fact means, and we don’t think it even means anything. In the past, the company that makes the Madden game (EA Sports) has had white players like Carson Palmer and Joey Harrington on the cover of the college version of the Madden game.
So we think it’s a coincidence. Given Vince Young’s presence on the cover of Madden 2008 it’s a nine-year coincidence, but it’s a coincidence nonetheless.
(Just interesting knowledge…this is no ploy for racism)
April 18th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Huff24 that was cool of you to post that info on Danny. What I would give to suit up in a
Raider uniform. I don’t care if his stats with the Raiders were weak he will always be a
Raider in my book. Anyway I really hope we trade down and pick up Brady Quinn. There
are so many advantages in getting Quinn. 1st we would get more good picks for trading
down. 2nd we would get Quinn at a better price than JRuss. 3rd Quinn is more fit for the
style of Offense we are going to use. I am not saying that JRuss won’t be a great QB but
just that I truly believe Quinn will be. Raider4Life
April 18th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
The fact that Oakland is talking with Rattay makes me so happy, best news since Calisle. Im been roting for this since the first Carr rumor. This is great news
April 18th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
It would actually benefit the Raiders if the Buccaneers traded to the #2 spot. The Raiders could still draft Calvin Johnson and trade him to the Buccaneers for a couple draft picks including the #2 they would have. The Raiders could then get Brady Quinn at #2 instead of trading down to #3 or #4. We could lose Quinn to either Detroit or Cleveland if that happened. Not only would we get Quinn but maybe a couple draft picks from Buccaneers. The Raiders are definately making this draft more interesting than most. I don’t recall any draft being this busy but then I guess I didn’t follow it this closely.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Funny thing about the Raiders and Buccaneers is they are both pirate style football teams who share a similiar logo in this modern day. Gruden and Bruce Allen along with a few coaches from Gruden’s Oakland staff are obviously with the Raiders and know how they operate. Lane Kiffin is the Raiders Head Coach and his father is the Defensive Coordinator for the Buccaneers. Can you imagine the discussions that go on between the Raiders and Buccaneers in regards to all the connections between the two. Even Warren Sapp has a piece of that pie considering he helped the Bucs beat the Raiders in the Superbowl. This practically the Pirates of the Carribean at its best.
April 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Here’s another funny thing. The Lions have Matt Millen as their GM who was a former football player for the Oakland Raiders. Marinelli is the Head Coach and was the Defensive Line coach of the Buccaneers. There are alot of strange things going on behind the scenes regarding the Raiders, Lions and Buccaneers don’t you think?
April 18th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
I say take DJ and Keep him. If the ransom is there then trade down, btw, I take Simeon Rice in the deal too, give the Bucs a junk player back. Picks and Rice for CJ.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Isn’t Simone Rice what we’d look for in a DE? Looks good with Burgess on the other side. CJ is a KEEPER for any losing team IMO. There are so many options, I won’t lock myself to one if I was GM, just get the best deal.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
I say Peterson looks good in Silver/Black. Quinn looks good in Silver/Black. Gaines Adams looks good in Silver/Black. If Russell is pick so be it… just hope for the best. The worst scenario is converting Russell to a TACKLE if he gets over 300lbs and inability to play QB.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
I hope Raiders sign Rattay ASAP. Just move on and plan for the draft. Someone say Wolfe is a good choice for the Raiders. I never seen him play so I cannot give you a take. Last year I saw Maurice Drew play and vouch he play in Silver?Black. He tore it up with UCLA as their feature back.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
I like former RB Raiders great Macus Allen take on Peterson. I trust his opinion too. He said Peterson is the BEST RB prospect coming out in a while. He gave his take on Peterson .. go to Realgmfootball.com. I don’t know how to paste a web site.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Marcus gave HIGH praises… he as a former RB knows what it takes to make it in the pros. He said Peterson is a sure pro bowler for years to come. Good piece by the former Raiders great RB.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Fanatics - Scroll over all the words you want to copy with your mouse. When those words are highlighted hold the Ctrl button and press the “c” key. That will copy it. Hold the Ctrl button and press the “v” key right next to the c to paste it. Easy as pie.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Sorry buddy. still can’t do it. Go to CBSsportline.com look at the Browns forum take on their draft, they say some interesting stuff, look for the article of Browns draft. I porbaly have ny friend help my out with this paste stuff. She pretty good with computers.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
CBSsportsline.com… under “Who should the Browns take?” Sounds like some scouts like Peterson or Thomas. They sound like scouts.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
like said all of you trying too bring down tryin too bring down jr and look a here cj has smoked weed but you cnat fin that on jr. Just be because jerry has not wrote on jr being don’t mean anything . I was looking at team of the decades last do you know the raiders could have played in 10 or more sb if not for bad calls or dumb play on the raiders part. Whats funny is the ref’s still make bad call’s against the raiders been doing since they have came into the league.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Eric….what?
April 18th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
I don’t know about you but if I’m Lane Kiffin, I take a look at the success of the Raiders coaches over the last 20 years and its extremely important to note that there really hasn’t been much success outside of Gruden and that was a 4 year stint. Kiffin has to make a quick good impression to stay as coach of the Oakland Raiders and he has to be impressive and he knows that. The QB Kiffin chooses is going to be the fate of Kiffin. If the QB does poorly, Kiffin will be looked upon poorly and if the QB plays great, Kiffin will be looked at as great so it is extremely important that if he chooses someone, they HAVE TO BE READY TO PLAY. This excludes Jamarcus Russell. Russell will not be ready for his first 2 years. Kiffin doesn’t have that kind of time to wait. If Kiffin is looking to find someone for the future and someone for the present, there is not other choice but to go with Quinn because Quinn can step in right away and Kiffin knows he will work hard for him. Look at his body build for cryin out loud…you do not get that way by sitting on the couch collecting an extra 9 pounds. Kiffin has to rely on a reliable QB just like Gruden relied on Gannon. Granted…Gannon was a veteran and still young enough to make something happen but its hard to say whether anybody out there is like Gannon. Rattay is good but not great but he is a great #2 if someone gets hurt. Kiffin cannot spend his first 2 years fighting with Russell to look at his playbook or to pay attention or to lose that extra weight. He needs a guy that will work hard because if things do not go well in 2 years at least….Kiffin will be gone.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
If Rob Ryan left in a year or 2 and Kiffin was successful by then…I wonder if Monte Kiffin would come to Oakland to be Lane’s Defensive Coordinator. Different scheme as it is a Cover 2 and not a man scheme but effective nonetheless. Just a thought.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Even if we’d taken Alexander, theres no reassurance he’d've produced for us.
I think most agree he didn’t do as well with out Hutchinson.
Nice mention of the frustration felt by Oakland before the J kow pick.
We lost too many close and important games.
J Kow has translated yet but hes a kicker. He could be around for 20 years.
Never understood why you’d draft a guy with your no.1 and then get in his swing.
Led the nation and still holds ACC and FSU records.
Booted over 84 % of field goals in college including a 53 yarder.
Then they get him to Oakland and slow down his approach. ??????????
Shane “Hannibal” Lechler is a special forces weapon.
Responsible for keeping the Raiders in many games.
Love that he carries on the fine tradition of Ray Guy.
Its a travesty Guy isn’t in Canton, likely because of his posistion.
In 14 seasons with the Raiders Guy averaged 42.2 yds
Lechler, in his 8 yrs has averaged 46.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:50 am
Big problem with Al Wilson is his injury. He failed his physical with the NYG a few weeks ago.
Simeon Rice still has a little gas in the tank but is not what he once was. Wouldn’t be upset if the Raiders do the #1 for all of TB’s day 1 picks and add Rice to make the trade balanced.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:57 am
Getting Rice is a coup! Then Raiders don’t need Gaines Adam. LOL… Rice and Burgess. The Raiders don’t have to waste a pick on a DE. LOL.. opponents QB gonna eat dirt! Coliseum dirt!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:00 am
Simeon Rice got a friggin TANK FULL of gas left!
April 19th, 2007 at 2:03 am
Al Wilson. I waive the physical. Give him a CHEAP K and roster spot. That’s good enough for me, Raiders get another good vet tutoring the kids playing LB. This is getting contributers helping Raiders WIN. I like to see the other free loaders gone… like the list by posters.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:05 am
MVH… you don’t draft kickers that HIGH. I say 2nd round at BEST. Alexander would of been the same line as Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, etc. So woulda been Eddie George.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:08 am
Sam Williams FAIL the physical for sure! He’s on the roster hogging up space. LOL.. Al Wilson don’t even have an injury close to Sam Williams. Williams should just hang it up. His days as a productive LB is over IMO. Give the spot to an up coming drafted LB… Black or Barnes?
April 19th, 2007 at 2:10 am
Raiders got NOTHING to lose… get rid of the roster spots hogger! LOL… they’d 2-14. 4 friggin losing seasons! LOL..
April 19th, 2007 at 2:13 am
Quinn might be gone before the 4th selection. I take Peterson in a HEART BEAT! LOL.. he’d gonna be in the line as Raiders RB greats Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Cannon, etc. It might be a blessing in disguise if Quinn ain’t there at 4th selection.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:07 am
What do you all think about picking up L. Arrington for cheap? He may be injury prone - but he does bring that “IT” FACTOR. I’m here on the east coast and he’s genuinely a good dude - helps out the community, fundraisers, charities. A strong presence in the locker room. He’s not disciplined on D but he can upset an offense when he wants to. Anything to make our locker room stronger is a bonus. It will sort of also take away Moss’s, Porter’s “look at me having a temper tantrum for attention” effect because his personality is just as big, but in a good way.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:20 am
L.Arrington is considering retirement. If he wants to play for the Raiders I’m all for it cause I know he will CONTRIBUTE more than a Grant Iron…who should be cut ASAP.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:51 am
If you’ve ever seen “Back to the Future!” your probably familiar with Oakland’s former special teams coach Ted Daisher.
Many times I’ve had to double take during sideline shots of Raider games expecting Daisher to stop picking fist fights and yell “1.21 GIGAWATTS MARTY!”
Despite the Doc Brown doppelganger theory, theres not much else funny about Dashier or the Raiders special teams play.
Despite Shane Lechler averaging 4 yds more than future hall of famer and Oakland legend Ray Guy, (46.4 for Lechler’s 8 seasons and 42.4 respectively for Guys 14) and the fact they have the only kicker in history taken with a number 1 pick in Sebastian Janikowski, the Raiders still finished near, or dead last in several categories in 06′.
Kick off yards allowed: 28.6 per kick off return (32nd, dead last)
Punt yardage allowed: 12.9 yds (30th)
Punt return yds: 6.2 (31st)
The Raiders allowed returns of over 70 yds several times last season (including a 91 yd. return and one of 87) in 2006.
Adding to the mystery of Oaklands lack of success is the fact they’ve got more than just a great kicker and punter.
Some of Oaklands special teams are actually very good.
Adam Treu remains a service able back up Center and is one of the finest long snappers in the league consistently allowing “J.Kow” and “Hannibal” to do their thing.
Jarrod Cooper has been another bright spot, this time in kick coverage, but double teams quickly began to blunt his ability and no one took up the slack.
He was further hampered by a nagging hamstring toward the back half.
Cooper is a key in the Raider Special Teams unit, but certainly not the only one capable of making plays in returns or coverage.
Chris Carr is a speedy and exciting return man for the Raiders entering his 3rd year.
So far with the Raiders Carr’s amassed 142 returns for 3,514 yds,averaging nearly 25 yds per carry and ripped a promising 72 yd return against Seattle.
Obviously, there are tools in place.
But when you have a guy that looks an awful lot like Dr. Emmit Brown, you’d hope for a little genius.
Or at least yardage.
Dashier somehow managed to consistently take all the talent and potential of Oaklands special teams unit and drive it into the ditch like a beat up DeLorian.
After last years debacle owner Al Davis apparently had enough.
With Doc’s, I mean, Daishers dismissal and the hiring of former Air Force special teams coordinator Brian Schnieder the Raiders hope to solve the conundrum.
Schnieder has no NFL experience but, has successfully Coached a league leading UCLA special teams squad in 2005.
He spent 2006 with Iowa State and signed with Kiffin and the Raiders this off season.
Schnieder brings Linebacker toughness to the table, being considered one the finest ever to play the posistion at Colorado State.
Having settled in, Schnieder should be able to focus and better utilize what, by all accounts is a viable and talented Raider special teams unit.
Why Doc Brown couldn’t make it work, even with the aid of a time machine, we’ll never know.
He’ll try his luck in Cleveland in 07 after inexplicably being picked up by the Browns (ironic, no?)in January.
Maybe they think he’ll introduce them to Leah Thompson.
Dashier’s welcome departure, baffling failure and subsequent hiring by Cleveland has left many in Oakland relieved, yet still scratching their heads.
No matter (or anti-matter) now.
Schnieder takes the special teams reigns for the Raiders in 07,giving Dashier plenty of time to purchase new lab coats,have a spasm on the sideline, steal some plutonium and keep Marty from humping his teen aged future Mom.
MVH
April 19th, 2007 at 6:35 am
Notice the pattern of the Raiders drafting need players in the first round and just the best players available in the later rounds… And it shows in how succesful we have been drafting in later rounds.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:40 am
RAIDERS GETTING FLOODED WITH CALLS
Though the Detroit Lions are getting plenty of interest in the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, we’re told that the Oakland Raiders are being absolutely flooded with interest in the No. 1 overall pick.
Most of the teams that are interested in moving to No. 2 hope to land receiver Calvin Johnson. The reality is that the Raiders could take Johnson (and we think they should), making the move up to No. 2 irrelevant.
So teams are going straight to the franchise that holds all the cards.
And, in our view, that will only make the price of a trade even higher. Despite speculation, for example, that the Bucs would send all of their first-day picks to Oakland for the No. 1 spot, the trade chart devised by Jimmy Johnson in the early 1990s (and used by most if not all teams today) shows that the Bucs would still be getting the better end of the bargain.
Al Davis is shrewd enough, in our view, to realize that the balance needs to tilt decidedly the other way. If Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams were worth mind-boggling trade packages, a guy who likely will be far better than either of those players ever were or could be is surely worth a lot more.
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April 19th, 2007 at 7:07 am
Looking back at another trade for draft picks that was made.
Knowing what we know now would anyone have traded Gruden to TB?
After Callahan, Turner, and Shell.
And looking at the players we got in return for those picks.
(this is assuming that Gruden didn’t force his way out)
April 19th, 2007 at 7:58 am
If Al Davis would have given him the control and money he rightly earned he never would have left.
April 19th, 2007 at 7:59 am
CJ willnot have an impact on the teams future success if the Raiders continue to have mediocre play at the QB position. There is a reason that WR are rarely taken at the top of the draft, the position is probably the 4th or 5th most important position on offence. Only a young franchise type QB along with a quality coaching staff can bring the team long term success. Draft CJ if you want but the Raiders will be right back were they are now next year.
April 19th, 2007 at 8:39 am
The teams probaly want a shot at Calvin Johnson. The Bucs have the best shot at him, anything lower Raiders gonna lose a shot at Quinn or Peterson. They’d all should call the Cards for Russell. He’d be there or slide to 9th selection, if Dolphins pass he’s gonna slide to the 25th selection IMO. I think the hype is cooling down on Russell. Some forums say he’s gonna slide past 5th selection for sure if Raiders down take him. The Browns aren’t even thinking Russell right now, just Quinn,Peterson and Thomas.
April 19th, 2007 at 8:41 am
Drafting CJ makes an immediate impact, A good WR opens up the box meaning teams can not disguise coverage/blitzes as well since he would require a double team… This helps the QB because he now has one less defender to worry about blitzing him which also helps out the O-line and even more helps out the running game since the safety would have to help to double CJ but not only that in 3 receiver sets with Porter, Curry and CJ who do you double team? and if you leave any 1 of them in single coverage you get burned… But I want them to take Cj because they can trade him for more draft picks and/or players which benefits the club all around.
April 19th, 2007 at 8:42 am
I forgot about Gaines Adams too at the 4th selection. I won’t go any lower than 4th for the trade up 1st selection or else Adams or Thomas for sure.
April 19th, 2007 at 8:43 am
I take Laron Landry at #4 if Quinn isn’t there… You then either keep him to pair with Huff moving Huff to FS or you trade him to either Miami or Atlanta who both covet Landry
April 19th, 2007 at 8:46 am
RAIDERS TALKING TO JOHNSON, RUSSELL
A league source tells us that the Oakland Raiders have begun preliminary contract negotiations with quarterback JaMarcus Russell and receiver Calvin Johnson.
Because the Raiders own the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, they are free to talk to any, some, or all of the potential draft picks about a contract, and are free to strike a deal.
Last year, the Texans negotiated with defensive end Mario Williams and running back Reggie Bush, reach an agreement with Williams on the eve of the draft.
It is widely believed that the Raiders will pick either Russell or Johnson, unless they trade the selection. Some fear that the selection of Russell at No. 1 overall is a recipe for disaster, since the Raiders will be pressured to play Russell prematurely. If he is harassed in the pocket behind a bad line and loses confidence, he could end up in a funk from which he never recovers.
But it’s also believed that Russell will be more likely to blink and do a bad deal, since if he’s not picked No. 1 he might not be picked No. 2. Or No. 3. Or No. 4. Or No. 5. Or No. 6.
For Johnson, if he’s not the No. 1 pick, he’ll most likely be the No. 2.
http://www.profootballtalk.com
April 19th, 2007 at 8:55 am
He’s a DB. Where is he gonna START? Take the DBs in the lower rounds. If one happens to be a sleeper then he gets to start at a lower K. Top 5 selection is pretty much garantee dollars and you don’t pay that unless he’s gonna START.
April 19th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Landry is the consensus top Strong Safety in the draft
April 19th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Raiders just need to pick up some sleeper DBs. The lower rounds have plenty of them, plus, Raiders gonna have a ton of picks if there is a trade with the Bucs and could afford gambling on a few sleepers. Is there REALLY a limit on how many picks you can have going in the draft? I don’t know the rules.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:00 am
Landryis projected to get some interest in the 8th to 13th I believe. Just gotta check the sites, there’s so many that I can’t remember. These guys are really good at projections.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:01 am
I’m surprised Quinn is not part of the negotiations at this point. If the Raiders want a QB at #1 they could see what JR vs Quinn is asking for, and use them against eachother. Pitting JR vs CJ in a negotiation war is not as strong for us since the positions are so different.
I would get Quinn involved for nothing else but a smokescreen.
If I’m Oakland, I try to trade that #1 pick to TB, and get back their #4 overall, Rice, Simms and their 2nd rounder. Hard to determine if this proposal is slanted one way. Rice doesn’t have much trade value since he is older and coming off an injury. Simms probably runs a similar offense in TB as to what Kiff runs. This proposal, if fair, gets us a DE, young QB, and allows us to take either Petersen, Landry or Okoye at #4. Trade down again with Atlanta for Landry.
What do you guys think of this idea…is it a fair offer with TB?
April 19th, 2007 at 9:01 am
If you are drafting sleeper picks DB is the last place we need a sleeper pick. You only draft a DB if he is a difference maker
April 19th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Danny.. or No.9..No.10…No.11…No.12..No.13…No.14…No.15…..to maybe No.32? LOL
April 19th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Actually Danny, I have to disagree with you. Depth behind Asomugha and Washington is slim. Routt hasn’t proven anything. Also, depth at Safety is very slim. I would hope the Raiders draft a backup SS in round 5 or 6. That way we are covered both ways. If Huff goes down, he comes right in. If Stu goes down, Then Huff slides over to FS and the pick comes in. Melvin Bullitt out of Texas A&M is my choice. Same build as Huff, not as fast, but hes faster than Stu, ran a 4.4
April 19th, 2007 at 9:10 am
If that’s the offer..just a No.2 in a trade with Bucs, then KEEP CJ. Rice is good for a few seasons plus being injured. Simm … if Gruden a former QB cannot get anything out of him then don’t bother with Simms. I do the CJ deal only if there’s like a 4 picks involve rumor plus Rice or king’s ransom. We’d don’t need Simm cause he’s weak I read somewhere overall as a QB.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:10 am
For the Record, I would Take Landry if we traded down with Atlanta to #8. If we traded with Tampa to #4, Then I would take QB, either BQ or JR. If they are all gone, Then Gaines Adam’s is the choice. Him and Burgess, along with Sapp and Sands will give us one hell of a defensive line. But on the otherhand, Asomugha, Landry, Huff, and Washington will be a backfield that no one will want to throw on….. So its a pretty tough decision.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:12 am
We are drafting #1 meaning we suck and we need to draft for more than just depth at this point… We have to consider starting position after a 2-14 season not depth
April 19th, 2007 at 9:12 am
And Routt actually played well when Washington was injured
April 19th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Drafting CJ, and Waiting to see what falls at #4 is probably our best move. If we like what we see there, then we should make the trade. Take their 1st rounder, and their HIGH 2nd rounder, and their 3 rounder. Instead of that late 2nd rounder, I would ask for next years first instead. It comes out to almost equal on the draft spot, but we are really setting ourselves up for this year and next year’s draft. That would give us 12 selections in this years draft, as opposed to 13, and an extra 1st rounder next year which could be crucial in filling any remaining holes we have left. Plus, We have the 1st pick in the 3rd round, only 1 pick after Tampa’s last pick.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:16 am
The deal is either Calvin Johnson OR a shot at Peterson plus picks. I don’t like the deal. Just keep Calvin Johnson. He look darn good in Silver/Black plus he can sell things like jersys, etc. getting money in for the Raiders.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:18 am
Which starting Positions would you consider on Defense Danny? DE?, OLB? S? None of those are big needs IMO. Maybe OLB, but we have Bing comnig back for this year, so he shoul dbe given a chance to play there. Safety isn’t too big of a need. Stu didn’t have any INT’s, but hes pretty salvagable and our Backfield seems to have gelled nicely, I wouldn’t touch it. DE? Brayton contained the run well last year, and we can use Huntley on obvious passing downs. I don’t any defensive areas that need immediate help.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:21 am
I love the fact that the Raiders have presumably begun negotiations. If TB or anyone else for that matter is serious about CJ, they need to jump in now before April 28th. Teams need to realize that if they want CJ, they have to go through Oakland.
9 more days of this….I’m gonna bust!
April 19th, 2007 at 9:22 am
Draft Calvin Johnson. KEEP him if there ain’t no king’s ransom. The trio of Johnson, Moss, and Porter plus slot Curry/Gabriel/Morant probaly get the Raiders 4-5 wins alone IMO. Plus, we’d probaly beat the AFC rivals like Broncos, Bolts, and KCs or at least come 3-3 record within the afc west divison. Probaly pick up a few wins against the weaker teams in the schedule, the WR trio gonna get some serious points in the RED ZONE.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:25 am
Yes that is the best idea. Draft Johnson, and wait for the highest Bidder, and presumable wait to see if we can get something at #4 or so. Plus, I see ATL and Tampa going at it like crazy for CJ. They both want him, especially because if the other team gets it, then they have the luxury of seeing CJ twice a year, due to ATL and Tampa being in the same division. Either way, Oakland wins out majorly by takign CJ. If they keep him, they have the best player in the draft. If they trade him, its going to be a darn good deal. Possibly one of the best in the history of the draft.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:31 am
I probaly take a FEW RBs in this draft. There are gonna be RBs there to help the Raiders in the future, plus, another QB in the top 100 players if we’d KEEP CJ. I like to take a few SPEED DEMONS WR too, there gonna be losses with WRs thru FAs. Gotta cover all the grounds 2-3 years from now, NOT this season or next.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:36 am
DE is a big need Burgess needs someone on the other side… DT also is a need as Sapp is getting up in years I like Okoye as a replacement.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Not another high draft pick on a DB, please. We need to strengthen our D from the trenches back. Did anyone catch the NFL Network top 10 draft classes? The best ones had stout, great people on the DL and LB in the early rounds, and grabbed some servicable DBs in the later rounds.
It’s funny, if the Raider pick CJ with the first pick, some people think a QB wont get drafted in the top 5.
If it went Oakland - CJ, Detroit - JR, Cleveland - BQ, TB would almost have to trade with Detroit so they could trade with Oakland. I looks like Oakland will take CJ, if he is signable, and only take JR if the compesation is right.
I can see TB going the other way and trading down to get someone like Jarrett in the middle of the draft to fill there WR need. He may not be as fast as CJ, but he has size and great hands.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:42 am
I got a feeling Walter ain’t gonna be impact this season, probaly get injured again or something. The guy just have bad luck so far, he’d suppose to break out last year but didn’t so I see if Quinn is there, he help out and could start immediately if Walter break down again. To me Quinn probaly be the BEST choice at 4 if he’s still there with Peterson gone. This is only if the deal is a king’s ransom.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Thinking through my last comment, I can’t see the Raiders trading away the #1 pick before the Draft. Unless I am wrong, they only brought in JR, CJ and Quinn to visit. Though I am sure they have done research on Peterson, Thomas, etc. They want one of these 3. They have to pick CJ and wait to see what is available at #4, assuming the trade is with TB. If they can trade down to either #2 or #3, do it now.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:46 am
I say get a DT/DE with the 33rd pick. Someone is gonna SLIDE. Drew Stanton most likely be gone, Edwards history of injuries is horrible for a QB. Troy Smith is gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round. Anything higher probaly be a wasted pick. Scouts are really down on him, some say he’s gonna be converted to wideout. LOL…
April 19th, 2007 at 9:54 am
That 33rd pick can go a few ways in my opinon. I like Khalil if he is there. Otherwise, DE, DT or OLB all make sense. I will be bummed if we take and keep CJ, but then draft a QB with that 33rd pick.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:55 am
What is it with you and Walter being injured Raiders Fanatics!? He was injured one year his rookie year and hasn’t been injured since… He took a beating last year and still never got injured.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:55 am
I say get the best player available, who will be the biggest impact player no matter what the position. I would prefer ol, te, dt, de. But whoever will be the best player.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:56 am
But draft CJ #1 overall. He’s the best player in the draft,
April 19th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Profootballtalk.com
CHIEFS TRYING TO KEEP CULPEPPER FROM RAIDERS?
A reader has floated an interesting hypothesis regarding the delay in the trade of quarterback Trent Green from the Chiefs to the Dolphins.
Could it be that the Chiefs are trying to slow down the Fins’ acquisition of Green so that the Raiders will have to continue to wait for a shot at Daunte Culpepper?
It’s widely believed that if the Dolphins get Green they will cut Culpepper, who is due to earn $5.5 million in salary this season. The sooner Culpepper is cut, the sooner he can be signed by the Raiders. And that gives Oakland more time to get him ready for the 2007 season.
Maybe it’s only a coincidence, but keep this fact in mind: When Green received permission to shop himself via trade, the sole limitation that Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson placed on the discussions was that Green could not talk to AFC West teams. Since the Chargers and Broncos have their starting quarterbacks in place, the restriction surely was intended for the one other AFC West team that is still looking.
Meanwhile, another reader pointed out to us that perhaps Peterson is holding out for a second-round pick for Green because the Fins held out two years ago for a second-round pick from the Chiefs for cornerback Patrick Surtain.
April 19th, 2007 at 9:59 am
I remember he had a bruised hand and sprains knee or something. I just have this gut feeling he ain’t the one for the Raiders. Just cannot explain it. It’s just my opinion, he might turn out great, either way let’s hope he starts and do some serious damage getting his yardages.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Here is a wild idea, say we draft and keep CJ.
Then, we try to get Matt Cassel from the Patriots, he`s currently Brady`s backup since they have not signed anyone else. To say he`s unproven is an understatement, he backed up Palmer and Leinart at USC and has not played a meaningful snap in the NFL. That being said, I have heard somewhere, I believe during some Pats games that the guy has talent and could develop into another one of those Pioli/Belichick coupes.
I am not saying he`s the solution or anything like that, but I like the idea of getting him if possible, he obviously knows what Kiffin is about and probably understands his concepts better than anyone other than Leinart. Kiffin obviously knows the kid and what he brings (if anything at all).
Last year, he was so green they had to bring in Testaverde as insurance in case Brady went down so that speaks of his lack of readiness then, but still, if Kiffin were to like the guy, why not bring him aboard?
There is nothing to this, just an idea that`s been in my head for the past few days, the thing is, if he is any good we`ll probably have no shot of getting him from Belichick, but we can try.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:07 am
Thats an interesting perspective Marley I don’t think anyone thought about that one. Nice
April 19th, 2007 at 10:07 am
He is 6`4″ 225, 24 yrs. old. seventh rounder in 2005.
Here`s ESPN`s scouting report on him:
Cassel, the Patriots’ No. 3 quarterback in 2005, has very limited experience against top competition. (He backed up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart at USC.) Cassel has good size, arm strength and overall mechanics. He is smart and clearly understands offensive concepts and coverage weakness. He gets good velocity on his short and intermediate throws. He has good pocket awareness and in preseason play was able to effectively move and buy himself time in the pocket. With more game experience, he could develop into a solid No. 2 quarterback.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:08 am
It is driving me nuts waiting for the Raiders to get a backup QB. Detroit wants a 5th for McCown. Rattay is an UFA. We already missed out on the likes of guys like Garcia, Plummer, Carr, etc. I’m not saying that I wanted Garcia or Plummer, but we need some experience at QB even if with draft JR or Quinn. What is the holdup??? I could understand Detroit holding on to McCown until the draft because they don’t want to make it easy for Oakland to take CJ, but Rattay. I think he is worth a shot for what we want him to be.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:09 am
I say sign Tim Rattay to a CHEAP K for a couple of years. He backup and start in a whim if there are injures. That’s the best solution.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:10 am
I don`t think this report has been updated since it mentions the year 2005, maybe the kid can be more than a solid backup.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:12 am
Cassell is an interesting thought, but I think NE is going to ask for too much for him. He’s the backup to Tom Brady and he’s been groomed/trained for 2 years now in their offense. I would do it for a 5th, But I’m sure they would want alot more.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:12 am
It is an interesting concept about Cassel, but I see very little value for a QB that was a career backup in both college and in the NFL. Plus we would have to trade for him. If this is our thinking, it would be better to draft a QB in rounds 2-4.
Marley - points for thinking outside the box…kudos.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:14 am
We should probably sign Rattay regardles of whether we get McCown, Russell, or Quinn. We only have 1 QB on the roster and we need 3. Jeff Otis and Josh Booty are just camp arms, i Would never give either of them a roster spot. Rattay can be the 3rd string QB at the least, and certainly seems like a cheap,attractive option to fill that roster spot.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:18 am
Danny Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 8:41 am
Drafting CJ makes an immediate impact, A good WR opens up the box meaning teams can not disguise coverage/blitzes as well since he would require a double team… This helps the QB because he now has one less defender to worry about blitzing him which also helps out the O-line and even more helps out the running game since the safety would have to help to double CJ but not only that in 3 receiver sets with Porter, Curry and CJ who do you double team? and if you leave any 1 of them in single coverage you get burned… But I want them to take Cj because they can trade him for more draft picks and/or players which benefits the club all around.
……..amen danny. the addition of cj will make wWHOEVER is under center next year bett for two reasons: he’ll open up the ground game and, obviously, he’ll be an additional weapon.
if we trade him, we’ll be able to stockpile picks(in addition to the 10 we already have!!!). this situation reminds me off the the cowboys of the early 90s(trading hershal walker for assload of picks) we have a chance to become a very different football team virtually overnight. if we do indeed trade CJ, i still say we pass on russell and take peterson
also, to the folks that don’t want to take CJ because we’re “deep” at WR, i say this: there is no such thing as TOO MUCH talent. you’re never gonna hear a coach say,”gosh, we just have too much talent at this position. what are we gonna do?” the best player should be taken 1st—regardless of what position he plays!!
April 19th, 2007 at 10:22 am
Amen! TOO MUCH at one position.LOL.. ask the SeaHawks picking Alexander. The Titans picking Eddie George. That hurts!
April 19th, 2007 at 10:23 am
ALWAYS take the best available player…we earned it.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:26 am
… will make WHOMEVER is under center next year better… … reminds me of the Cowboys… Must be the Bobcat education. GO GRIZ. (just messing with you love child)
April 19th, 2007 at 10:31 am
At the time Alexander was drafted, didn’t we have Nap, Wheatley with Garner on his way to Oakland? And that year, our running game was one of the best.
I remember being lukewarm about getting Seabass, because we took care of our kicking issues in the middle of the season with Nedney. Pissed me off when he beat us the following year.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:33 am
I was more upset when we didn’t go after Alexander when he was a FA, instead spending money on Jordan. But the critics were saying Alexander was too much like Marcus Allen and Al would never bring on another Marcus Allen. This also why I don’t see Al going after AP.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:36 am
ya got me ryan, ya got me…lol. my fingers move faster than my brain sometimes.
by the way….
i think the raiders should sign lulay!!!!
GO CATS
April 19th, 2007 at 10:40 am
I agree let’s draft CJ and keep him. Draft another QB later in the draft and pick up a free agent veteran QB.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:40 am
for what’s it worth, profootballtalk.com has posted that the Raiders are in neg. with Russell and Johnson. More smoke and mirrors from the Master (Al)? Sure makes us in the drivers seat if we show that we are serious about selecting Johnson, I think everyone knows that if we dont select Russell he could slide all the way to 7 or 8.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:45 am
If we pass on CJ we are the joke of the league again because not only did we pass on the best player but we also just let the Lions hold all the cards and give them the opportunity to get better through trading down. It would be pure stupidity.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:46 am
doesn’t anyone else think it’s odd that no team is trading up to get EITHER quinn or russell??
if russell is the next elway, you’d think teams would be trading anything and everyting to get him. hmmmm. maybe it’s because everyone realizes(but, apparently not us) that he’s a HUGE–pun intended– risk!!!
April 19th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Also name one mock draft that has the Raiders taking him for any other reason than “Al Davis will be enamored with his big arm”
April 19th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Then again other teams that are unwilling to discuss trading up, does not mean they are not interested….in fact it could be the complete opposite, just staying under the radar, not letting everyone know their interest. I could see JR sliding before Quinn, though. Ideally we draft CJ, trade him to the highest bidder and still select Quinn, though I don’t think he’ll be there at #4.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:55 am
I saw one report that the Vikings were interested in trading up to draft Russell but that’s been it.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Nobody trusts Al Davis’ opinion outside the organization…..he’s too senile.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Why would teams be open about trading up for CJ but not for Quinn or Russell? Fact is nobody wants either one at #1
April 19th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Kyle Boller got an arm. Why don’t the Raiders sign him?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:03 am
This is how it’s gonna go down. Both Russell and Peterson are there at 4th selection. Raiders make the call. Tick…Tick..Tick.. Bucs gotta announce something!
April 19th, 2007 at 11:06 am
Boller is still with the Ravens.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:08 am
There must be something in the works? Something gotta come out before the draft, trades, players movement, etc.. why is it so darn quiet? I been surfing site after site… nothing but the same 3 days news.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Someone mention he was a FA. I don’t keep up with rosters of other teams.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:10 am
here is an interesting mock draft -
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2007mockdraft6.0.htm
April 19th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Rotoworld football.com got a good mock. It’s kinda not updated but very interesting.. the kids seem to know what they are talking about. Very good analysis!
April 19th, 2007 at 11:15 am
I read the profootballtalk.com one, it seems like they have alot of insiders from all the NFL franchise giving them tips. It’s better than the ESPN one or Cnnsi, the Raiders gonna select Russell, he’s got the arm for their franchise. LOL.. it’s more than that IMO.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Quinn goes no further than 3.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Raiders - CJ
Detroit - Adams
Browns - Quinn
TB - trade with Oakland, or trade with Minny or Atlanta
April 19th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Ct-Raiders… that’s how I see it going down too. I bet the Falcons want their safety. It’s hard to believe what the Vikings want, after going thru with Culpeper, it’s hard to see them go after Russell. Maybe Thomas? Peterson? Landry? Whoever else they want to overpaid?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Could be….who knows.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I bet the Bucs want to deal with the Raiders first to get their boy CJ. The other teams there are for bargaining leverage. There’s alot of smokescreens.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Fanatics, you seem to flip-flop on who you think the Raiders will draft?? What do you reallly think?
April 19th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Danny, read your comment on Gruden that big Al should have given him control. And he wouldn’t have left. Gruden won the super bowl with Dungy’s players and a few tweaks of the offence. But has done nothing in Tampa since. Thier record is almost as bad as ours has been. Allen’s and Gruden’s draft choices since leaving for Tampa has not been very impressive. It was the likes of veteran players Brown,Rice,Gannon,Garner that made him look good in Oaktown. And I will support anyone we draft as long as they wear Silver and Black.
Win,lose or tie Silver and Black till I die.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Quarterbacks Al Davis has passed on in the first round since 1982;
Dan Marino
Matt Leinhart
Jay Cutler
Jim Harbaugh
Tommy Maddox
Jim Druckenmiller
Patrick Ramsey
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlesberger
JP Losman
Aaron Rodgers
Jason campbell
Al doesn’t believe in drafting QB’s in the first round. Only First round Qb was Marinovich what happened with that. Those are the facts, it won’t change this year. The #1 pick will be Calvin Johnson I guarantee it.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Hey New Mexico, what’s the job market looking like out there??
April 19th, 2007 at 11:34 am
And we will keep him.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:36 am
I think the discussions with JR are a smoke screen or a feeler for what he could be paid at #4. Let’s face it. The Raiders are being flooded with trade offers for CJ. Drafting Russell at #1 would be stupid.
Detroit wants to trade down. If nothing else we could call Detroit and say, “We’ll swap picks with you plus you give us McCown and three extra picks. Then you can trade #1 to smebody else for their whole draft.” Good for Detroit and we get #2, MCCown, and picks.
Trade with TB and get JR at #4 where his value is a little closer to his risk, and get more picks.
A project QB who maybe ready in a couple of years isn’t going to help nearly as much as 4 extra pl;ayers.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:36 am
cuzin vinnie we’re talking football on this blog, go over to some type of job search site!
April 19th, 2007 at 11:44 am
I know people are excited and want action but really, signing Rattay right now makes no sense. He’s not going anywhere. If we draft a QB or sign a guy like Culpepper or trade for MCown then that changes everything in the Rattay situation. No point in signing him until after te draft.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:50 am
Hey oakland fan….don’t worry about it.
April 19th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Coach… I like your thought process, and it ties in nicely with the patience we’ve shown so far in other aspects of getting this team back on the right track. I keep reading that Detroit is holding all the cards, but last time I checked, we get to decide who the first pick is.
I have to cut out caffeine this week. The pressure’s killin’ me.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Detoit deep down inside knows we control the draft. That is why they are giving us McCown yet. On the surface, there is no reason why Oakland shouldn’t and wouldn’t give Detoit one of its two picks in round 5. The deal hasn’t ahppened because Detroit won’t sign off on it. We get McCown and CJ is a layup. Detroit can’t want this to happen. I expect the Raiders to leave all indications through the negotiation process that CJ is the man, whether he is or isn’t. By doing this, we keep control of the draft.
Give it a little more time. Things are lining up nicely fro Oakland!
April 19th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
“aren’t” giving us McCown…oops.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
This is, by far, the most interesting draft I can remember. It’s like a chess match, but with four or five players instead of only two.
Too many possible scenarios. My head is spinning. I gotta go lay down.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Interesting rumor I read on another site. Ravens coach reunites with Randy Moss as the Raiders send Moss and a 4th rounder to Baltimore for Kyle Boller and WR Mason. Someone earlier on this site was mentioning Boller and he is under contract but could be moved……..
April 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Raider fans desperately waiting for Tim Rattay, pitiful.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Underrated: Dan Mozes, West Virginia (FILM ROOM)
The NFL is so rigid when it comes to the sizes it looks for at certain positions, that this 6-2 1/2, 293-pound center is barely considered draftable despite being one of the nation’s most respected linemen the past two years. West Virginia ran for more than 300 yards per game last year, and Mozes was right at the center of attack. How many times did we see Steve Slaton or Pat White bursting through huge, gaping holes right in the center of the field? Particularly in a zone-blocking scheme like the Mountaineers’, everything starts with the center, and Mozes was one of the nation’s best. It’s hard to believe he’s not worthy of a selection somewhere over the course of seven rounds.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Agreed Kookell,
He`s only “attribute” they say is to be a capable WCO QB but…….If the dink-dunk master himself does not want him, why would anyone else?.
Decent backp, but I wouldnt waste a roster spot on him, I`d rather give it to a younger QB who still may have some semblance of potential.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
KK lets assume you get your wet, wild fantasy and we select JR #1. JR has zero experience and by all accounts cannot/will not play in the NFL for at least a year or two. AW has 8 games of experience. Who is your “pitiful” choice for our experienced NFL QB from whom both JR and AW will learn?
April 19th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Andrew walter is the starter no matter who we pick up this year! And he will do well!
April 19th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Underrated: Eric Weddle, Utah (FILM ROOM)
I can’t believe this guy isn’t more coveted. Besides the fact he can play safety and cornerback (and quarterback, running back and kick returner), he’s a proven, big-time playmaker who’s earned consecutive Mountain West defensive player of the year awards and scored eight touchdowns last season. I would think scouts would pay particular attention to tape of the 2005 Emerald Bowl, in which Weddle helped hold Georgia Tech extraordinaire Calvin Johnson to two catches for 19 yards. He’s not a freakish athlete like Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry — but he’s pretty darn special. I’d take him high in the second round.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
If the Raiders draft JR, they will still need to pick up somebody like Rattay, McCown, etc. to filling out our 3 QB’s. The NFL does not allow a team to activate 3 QB’s on gameday as part of the 53 man roster. The 3rd QB dresses but is ineligible unless QB #1 goes down with injury.
Consider this - If we draft JR, he probably won’t be active on gamedays. Great use of money!
April 19th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
I’d just as soon go with AW, I like him as a passer but with a chance to play regularly last year some things revealed themselves about him, lead feet and a fumbling propensity. But I’m willing to give him a chance with a new system. I’m just not ready to gamble on him by passing up JR. The Raiders already did that last year. No so far as Brady Quinn, supposedly being NFL ready, he couldn’t handle LSU, so….cmon.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Last I saw, ND couldn’t handle LSU. Quinn with a bad knee that required a surgical procedure after season end didn’t help matters.
Who is going to be the Raiders experienced QB, KK?
April 19th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
KK, if AW were to struggle how long would you give him before he gets yanked in favor of “JR” ?
April 19th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
The Raiders Head Coach Lane Kiffin even said “I don’t know that Dan Marino could win many games last year in that offense”
Last time I checked Walter in his second year wasn’t better than Dan Marino
April 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
And if “JR” were to struggle what next?
April 19th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
# 17 ranked team against #3 gee I wonder who is going to win that one… Why does everyone try to make it seem like it was Quinn against Russell when it was a LSU Vs. Notre Dame (who only was in that bowl game because it would sell more tickets to the game than most teams off of name recognition alone)
April 19th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Like I said C-T Aw can start the season with JR coming in when he’s ready, hopefully mid-season. I mean it doesn’t look to me like the Raiders are killing themselves trying to get a retread QB does it? Btw you might as well understand right now that a 7-9 season would be fantastic.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Like it or not - and I hate ND - they get preferencial scheduling, and ranking due to the fact that they make a ton of $$ for college sports. I HATE it, but this is no reason to dislike Quinn and all of his abilities and intangibles.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
One major intangible for a QB is winning the big games, no?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Did Peyton win the big games?? If that’s your only argument KoolKell, that’s lame.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Here we go with the personal remarks again. PLEASE MAKE NOTE I DID NOT START IT.
But I’m likely to finish it.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Btw, fair or not but our society deems those who lose games like that losers. Al Davis has always loved winners. See all the ill-advised signings of previous Super Bowl MVP’s players, etc.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
KK - because Quinn lost 4 bowl games in 4 years does not make him a loser. Considering the kid was good enough to play at one of the highest levels at one of the most elite schools in college football for 4 years, makes him a winner to me. When he gets drafted in the top 5, he will be more of a winner than all of us combined on this blog.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
KK - based on a previous comment of yours, are you saying that the Raiders should only go into the season with AW and JR as their QBs?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Like I said it’s not always fair for branding someone a loser because they lost the last game but, that’s the society we live in, and AL puts a premium on “so-called winners”
Re the QB’s on roster, It downsn’t look to me as if the Raiders are that worried about it, they’ve let alot of the retread pass without saying very much. Me personally, I’d be willing to go with AW & JR, like I said this is a rebuilding process, and we are not going to the playoffs next year, Retread or no.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
So all those Super Bowl MVPs we signed over the years were “winners,” but by the time they left us they were “losers,” never living up to their hype….so is the Raiders organization, as a whole, considered a loser?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
KK - I agree with you that the Raiders clealry aren’t outwardly concerned about the experienced vet QB right now. I do believe that they will address that need once the draft dust settles.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
And that is why the Raiders have has some major busts in the early rounds of the draft because Al Davis is an idiot.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
I wouldn’t call AL an idiot, but I would say that his drafting has alot to be desired!
April 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
neither Tom Brady nor Peyton Manning won the big games in college but yet they are the consesus top 2 QB’s in the NFL.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
What would you call someone that drafts a kicker in the middle of the 1st round?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
you got me - IDIOT!!!
April 19th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Don’t forget Ray Guy was drafted in the first rd too.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
The one huge difference between Guy and SeaBass was that Seabass was a known risk due to his history at FSU. All the signs were there that he was going to be trouble. SeaBass has has countless issues since joining the Raiders.
Guy was simply the BEST!
April 19th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Agreed, but SeaBass, like Russell has the godly/Foot/Arm. Al likes that doesn’t he?
April 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Like I’ve said I’ve followed these Raider drafts for 43 yrs, Al drafts god’s gifts, believing he can coach the rest. Speed, Size, Arm Strength things given by god. Things you can’t coach.
April 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
yah well those gifts from god haven’t been doing too well lately… Russell the next seabass? I remember when we drafted that idiot he was on the verge of being deported for getting arrested too many times
April 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Maybe we should start drafting oh I don’t know, guys that actually played well in college… I know its a stupid idea but hey it’s worth a shot.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
I’ve read where Al used to actually visit a prospective draft choice’s mother to get a look at the size of HER calves.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
That explains why the picks we’ve made haven’t been too good lately
April 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
How is it you only read it, thought you knew more of the old Raiders then anyone, thought one of them would have personally told you about Als visit with their moms KluelessKell.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Didn’t Al draft a certain Dan from Delaware? If I was drafted by Al, I wouldn’t call him an idiot…
April 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Why Raiders Must Take JaMarcus Russell:
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/nfl/news/ABN4074262.htm
April 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Al didn’t keep him so, guess he can call it like he sees it.
April 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Interesting point Dan Reeder’s Hat. lol
April 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
He also cut me jackass
April 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
and it was also in the fifth round while those of us that are not inbred and can read realized that the conversation we were having pertain