Training camp, Day 21 (A.M.)
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News and notes, sights and sounds from the Raiders morning session in their last full day in Napa:
– Andrew Walter will start Saturday night against the 49ers in San Francisco, followed by Daunte Culpepper and Josh McCown _ the reverse order of when they appeared against Arizona.
“We feel that Andrew played well in the first game and it also gives us a chance to see guys in different settings,” coach Lane Kiffin said. “ (It gives) Andrew a shot to go in with the first unit against the first defense too. It gives Daunte a chance to play in the first half and not sit the whole time. Then it will give us a look at Josh coming off the bench to see how well he does as well.”
– McCown had one of his best passing sessions in recent days, hitting Alvis Whitted for a touchdown on a post pattern during 7-on-7 and later hitting Carlos Francis at the goal line on the same pattern. McCown has often struggled during camp on throws over the middle to wide receivers. He also threw a touchdown pass in a red zone team session to Doug Gabriel.
On the touchdown pass to Whitted, thrown perfectly behind Chris Johnson and Chris Carr, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, who rarely addresses anything but the defense, said, “Nice, job, (offense), way to expose that (bleeping) coverage.”
– Walter threw a touchdown pass to Ronald Curry on the same drill, although he likely would have been sacked by end Dave Tollefson on the play, with Tollefson pulling off and not hitting the quarterback. A perfect pass to Jerry Porter to the post was dropped.
– Daunte Culpepper opened some drills and team sessions with the first team for the first time in camp. He had one pass intercepted in a seven-on-seven red zone drill, with safety Hiram Eugene making a juggling catch.
“That’s a hell of a play right there,” Ryan said.
– The Kiffin staff isn’t heavy on sarcasm, although special teams coach Brian Schneider ventured into that area on a kickoff drill, remarking of the coverage, “Holy (bleep)! You got it right!.”
– Safety Donovin Darius limped off the field with what Kiffin called a “lower leg injury.” Darius said it was a calf injury but did not have specifics regarding his condition or availablity to face San Francisco.
– Wide receiver Will Buchanon, whose heroics during training camp last year earned him a spot on the practice squad and eventually the 53-man roster, was waived. The Raiders put two offensive linemen through a tryout, ex-Raider Corey Hulsey and four-year veteran Torrin Tucker.
Kiffin said the Raiders expected to sign an offensive lineman to assume Buchanon’s spot.
Hulsey had a workout with the Raiders during organized team activities and most recently worked out for the Cleveland Browns, thinking he had a shot until it was learned an injury to starting guard Eric Steinbach was not serious.
In his home state of Georgia, Hulsey runs his own company, Hulsey Land Development, where temperatures of late have been more than 100 degrees.
“I came out this morning, hell, it was cold,” Hulsey said. “I wanted a coat.”
– Although still not anywhere near his pre-illness level of energy, Kiffin was much more involved than he was Wednesday.
“I feel better. Getting out here is a little bit of therapy,” Kiffin said. “You get a little bit of energy just being out here with the guys. Then you go back in and come down a little bit. You just have to find a way to get up for one more practice like we have to do with them.”
Kiffin said he did not have a plan regarding coaching against the 49ers Saturday night.
– After spending much of the early part of camp communicating with quarterback JaMarcus Russell, Kiffin said he has not spoken to Russell “in awhile.”
“I’ve got to do what I can to protect this team,” Russell said.
As negotiations have gone nowhere, it’s a pretty good bet Russell’s agent told him to cease conversations with Kiffin until things get serious.
– Running back Adimchinobe Echemandu will again get most of his time in the second half against San Francisco, Kiffin said. Dominic Rhodes will start at running back but LaMont Jordan, ideally, will get the most work.
“We’ve obviously got to get LaMont going,” Kiffin said. “He needs a lot of work, especially in these next two games. He needs some work because he needs to see this zone system. This is not something he’s used to.”
– When asked which player had caught his eye of late, Kiffin’s answer was rookie third-round draft pick Johnnie Lee Higgins.
“I think Johnnie Lee has made a really good transition especially for a smaller guy. I was talking with the guys last night. This is a time when rookies tend to disappear, (like) freshmen dissapear, because the playbook gets so big,” Kiffin said. “They say, I made it this far, I know so much, they almost put a governor on themselves and we talked about not doing that, and taking it to another level and staying in the front of the lines and don’t put yourself back because you’re a rookie.
“See how far you can take this thing, and don’t settle . . . Johnnie Lee has really made a great transition and is going after balls and doing things really well and he has football speed. There’s track speed, the guy running a 40 who runs track, that I could care less about. I want to see football speed. He had it in college, he showed it on film and in the game. He has football speed. He puts cleats on and pads on and has to change direction and the ball is in his hand, he’s really fast. That’s football speed. So we’re really excited with him.”
– Kiffin called off practice early and wanted to award the team a longer break in between practices. He was counting on Warren Sapp and Josh McCown to kick 25-yard field goals with the team watching. Both missed.
So Kiffin turned to rookie Mario Henderson, from 15 yards. He missed. Kiffin wanted Sebastian Janikowski to kick a 55-yarder to earn the time off, but Rod Martin nixed the idea because Janikowski wasn’t sufficiently warmed up.
Warren Sapp finally delivered with a 45-yard, straight-on field goal attempt which barely cleared the upright.
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August 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I like the QB rotation. We get to find out if Walter can keep it up against the #1s. If DC is improving - he will also be happy that he gets to throw the ball to someone who isn’t a rookie. And see if McCown can step up after the slight demotion.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
It’s good to reward Walter for the good game against AZ. Good to see Pepp against better competition as well. Loved the JLH pick and I think that eventually he can do some of the same things Steve Smith does for Carolina. Perfect slot WR shifty and dangerous with the ball in his hands. Hopefully DD is OK I remember reading before we signed him that he had a calf injury. Hopefully this thing doesn’t linger. Thank God Kiffin is back.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
ROB RYAN IS AN F’N STUD.
You gotta love RR. No wonder the defense is so solid, they are playing for a great coach, and motivator. His comment was classic as JMac mentioned above
“”Nice, job, (offense), way to expose that (bleeping) coverage.”
RR is solid…
August 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Props to all of the people that called AW as the starter against the Whiners. I am having a hard time believing or even creating a mental image of Warren Sapp kicking a 45 yard field goal. I guess the QB Killa is multi-talented.
Bring on the Whiners!
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
August 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
If you look back over the last few weeks AW has been the most consistent. Now is his chance to show it in a game.
Sapp from 45 yards? Well, now we know who to step in if Seabass goes down. Although Sapp is a little smaller than Seabass I think.
Maybe Kiffin doesn’t want to mess up his QB comparison by not starting Rhodes but I still hope “Joe” gets a shot with the starters so day. This is a Denver style ground attack and theybare infamous for guys coming out of nowhere because they run the system well.
Didn’t think Buchanan would be around much longer.
When is the first mandatory cut down?
August 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
“but Rod Martin nixed the idea because Janikowski wasn’t sufficiently warmed up”
Typical of that piece of garbage Seabass.
I was at practice on Monday. Seabass did nothing all practice. And I mean NOTHING. The Raiders go into a 2:00 drill, call Sea A$$ in to convert the 50 yard FG. And as I predicted and I’m sure you guessed, wide right and 10 yards short (at least)
If Lane really wanted to make a statement SeaA$$ would be the next dead weight sent packing. I’d just as soon watch Sapp miss FG’s as I would SeaA$$.
Lechler on the other hand was practicing the entire time. Lechler should have been the 1st rounder. If Sea had been the 3rd rounder instead of Lechler, he would have been cut by now.
Just think if the Raiders had kept Nedney and taken Shaun Alexander (the pick after SeaA$$). One can only dream.
Rob Ryan is a stud. My guess is he is a Head Coach somewhere next year.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Per BSPN….
Aug. 28: Roster cutdown to 75 players.
Sept. 1: Roster cutdown to 53 players.
Sept. 6: Regular season opener.
Great job, Jerry. These updates are key… And to the regulars, as well. I waste way too much time checking this site for the good bits. In any case, I can’t wait for the season to start! Go Raiders!
I’m IN
August 16th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
raiderrob -
I disagree with your post somewhat. Our kicking game sucked before Sebastian. Recall Cole Ford?, and Nedney wasn’t/isn’t that solid. Not this it is much better, nor has Sebastian performed as a first round pick, however, cutting him without having a kicker as equal or better to Sebastian in ludacris.
Sapp kicking field goals is hilarious, I’m sure he was talking shiit the whole time.
Shaun Alexander and kept Nedney? Hind sight is 20/20 my Raider brother. Hell maybe we should have taken, Smelway, or Manning, or Tiki Barber, or Ray Lewis……
I have always been “In”…..
August 16th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
I wish Walter well. I have high hopes for him. I think we all knew buchanon would be cut as soon as he dropped that football. Cant wait to see higgins more. 4 receiver sets should include porter/curry/williams/higgins. I just hope he doesnt fumble or drop another damn pass and screw things up. I wonder if he is the fastest on the team? Id love to see kiff line up our race horses higgins/huff/washington/whitted/routt/carr and see who comes in 1st like back in high school football. Personally i think carr looks the fastest on the field.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Jerry,
Nice work as always. Members of the Nation in the wrong time zone had it much tougher before this blog. Much appreciated.
We’re leading up, of course, to the QB rotation in game three of Culpepper, McCown, and Walter. THEN I think we’ll see in game four how things are really shaping up, by who starts and plays maybe one or two sets of downs at most.
Did anybody else notice that only two or three teams scored more points than we did last Saturday night? Just hope we see a better running game from the first team against the first team.
Peace, y’all.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Good to see AW get a start. DC is movin on up the depth chart. I still feel that he’ll be our opening day starter. From the blog yesterday, it sounds like he has his wheels back, at least partially. This dude used to be a HUGE threat to take off, and being the size of a DE, he would usually punish the DB’s who tried to tackle him. Lets hope he can get his head around this offense and be a solid QB. We don’t need a highlight reel guy, just someone to move the chains and put up 17-21 pts on O.
On another note, anyone get Madden ‘08 yet? Man, we suck on there. Gallery REALLY sucks on there, have to do lots of trading before week one just to be competetive.
GO RAIDERS!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
We should bring in Vanderjagt to light a fire under seabass’ ass. He is too hot and cold. If Vandy out performs him, keep him. Remember, the guy missed a couple of FGs last year and got cut. He’s still the most accurate kicker in the history of the league, he deserves a shot.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Whiffin’ with Kiffin. Theme of the 2007 Raiders.
Dominick Rhodes. Nice pick up. Looking foward to watching him play on opening day, Raider Myopians?
Jamarcus Russell. Nice investment of a first-round pick. When you sign him and he gets his $30 million guaranteed, he’ll be eating up your cap along with your other expensive do-nothing “stars,” Lamont Jordan, Jerry Porter and Roberta Gallery. Where’s your first round pick going to be on opening day?
What a mess. Only Al Davis could manage to botch it up this bad. Most disrespected franchise in the NFL. Wonder why?
Meanwhile the Chargers keep improving. All rookies signed and in camp. First round pick Buster Davis meshing with Pro Bowl QB Philip Rivers. Second-round pick Eric Weddle showing why AJ Smith reached for him. The Bolts will sweep the silver and bleak again this season or my name isn’t Charger. lol
August 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
You don’t even know the name of your first round pick. It’s Craig Davis not Buster Davis you dumba$$! You need to quit acting like a Chargers fan when you know the only team you pay attention to is the Raiders! You are ridiculous!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Love the QB rotation! Hope to see some fireworks from Daunte…
I too agree that if Janikowski doesn’t man up this year, cut his ass in season and go get one of the handful of guys out there who can do just as well. As far as him not warming up or working out at camp that’s on the coaches, but maybe, just maybe Kiff is giving him enough rope to hang his ass with.
I loved the comment from Kiff about “football speed”! This is one of the most important aspects of football. Anyone who ever went from being a touch/flag football stud to putting on pads and doing the same things knows what the Hell Kiff is talking about!
I don’t care how fast a guy is, or how pretty he looks with his shirt off (Porter), if he can’t get it done with pads on when it counts, it don’t mean SH!T!
I like the cuts so far, I think LaMont better get his arse busy, the train may be leaving the station without him!
We need more Football players, and less prima donnas….DAMN! is it Sat nite yet???
August 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Charger is your room clean? Don’t make your mom have to yell at you again.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Charger-Thanks for your your post, but you know what? WHO CARES!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Hey Charger’s Neighbor — If you can’t post a link to some pics of that little turd Charger, why don’t you just put out his telelphone #… hahaha! How funny would it be to flood his mommy’s answering machine with messages from the RAIDER NATION?!?!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Sorry guys, gotta go, my mom is on her way to yell at me and ground me from my playstation. I left my Flutie jersey on my floor and left the toilet seat up. Damn my mom is ruthless. Last night she made me dress up like a gimp including a red gag ball in my mouth. Then she whipped me and told me I was a bad little boy. Oh no, I hear her comming.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Walter deserves the start v SF… tho wouldn’t reversing the roatation mean Culpepper was starting since he was last against AZ?
http://mvn.com/nfl-raiders/
August 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
I don’t think the change in rotation is a demo for Mc Comb, I think it was just wanting to see Andy against a first string d. And I would think after the beating he took last year that it will make our o line step up and protect him well. Now if he only plays one or two series that might tell us something again.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
J Mac: Thanks for the great updates these last few weeks. It’s great to be able to follow along with the camp action.
Looking forward to the QB battle heating up and seeing who our RB’s are gonna be.
Charger Fan: can you please provide directions to the Chargers’ Lombardi Trophy Case?
oh yeah, that is right , they don’t have one.
Cheers Raider Nation!
Peter G.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Hey Charger fan…. I am totally confused why you would spend so much time in this blog… reminds me of those whiney Red Sox fans who spend more time hating the Yankees than rooting for their own team…. Let me guess, you were the younger brother who always got picked on when you were little so now you are an instigating gnat as an adult… I can only imagine how much your co-workers enjoy you.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Charger -
Steve Foley gonna be bolstering that defense, genius? Way to hang out on a Raider website - go powder blue, tough guy! Apparently you just jumped on the Dolt bandwagon or have you forgotten 1-15? Nice work in the playoffs last year - a bye week and a home game meshed real well with another choke. It’s the Chargers, the little engine that couldn’t. Great running back, great tight end, great for a laugh as they blow it.
Buster Hymen and Weddle Piggy - sending a scare through secondaries everywhere! Nice to see Norv already has you on the losing path - great pickup. Continue prancing in front of your mirror in your Merriman jersey doing the “lights out” dance as you enjoy another season of futility - the Charger legacy lives on!!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Rob Ryan is a beast. Did you guys see the fro he’s sporting these days? I luv it, tru raider legend in the making there, too bad he’ll be gone in the next HC opening. We should pay him like a head coach. Cant wait to see that D in week 1. Offense just dont fumble in your own territory, and get to 20 and the game is over.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Horrible With Norval. Theme of the 2007 Chargers!
No matter what happens in this upcoming football season, Charger will still live at home with his mommie at the age of 25, throwing like Clay Aiken and begging his mommie to give him his PS2 back. Life is so much important than talking out your a$$ on some blog. Dude get a job and move out of your moms house. You are 25 for gods sake! Grow up bro…
Go Raiders!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Hey Einstein is Rob Ryan solid or not
August 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Hey Charger thanks for the vote of confidence.
I’m sure your mother didn’t name you Charger so, I guess the Chargirls will not sweep the glorious Raiders this year.
I knew you had love for the Raiders in there somewhere.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
I am not going to take a picture of Charger (hope you understand; I am an attorney and very liability-conscious), but I can tell you that if you took the fat kid from that Superbad movie, made him uglier, shorter, fatter, less funny, dumber and way less successful, you’ve got Charger.
I can tell you that he’s a grown man who I have NEVER seen around another woman, and who hangs around guys that make the these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1jfofjPtEY
look like bona fide metrosexual pretty boys.
I’d say he’s a bit of a tinkerbell (not that there’s anything wrong with that) but I h ave seen no evidence whatsoever of any organism (other than foot fungus, crabs, lice, etc.) have any intention whatsoever of fornicating… or even getting close to him.
I swear, he absolutely must be adopted.
And what kind of complete moron spends time on ANOTHER team’s board and then brags about his own team and can’t even get the names right?
I tell ya, whatever dumpster his Mom rescued him from msut have contained some serious toxic chemicals, because this kid is a freak of nature. Not in the Jevon Kearse kind of way, but in the… well, in the Charger kind of way.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Chager dives in at the last moment with an incredible shot of his a@@! What a way to return to Charger form!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuHXGVudSGw
August 16th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Chris Mortensen of ESPN, when asked about the JaMarcus Russell negotiations, said that the only people benefitting from the holdout is the AFC West, who are laughing their asses off.
All have their young QB’s of the future in their programs and making progress, while the Raiders will have to wait another year to get theirs up to speed, with a whole year wasted.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Charger’s neighbor, you, sir, are a Godsend.
How low does your self esteem have to be if you CHOOSE a Fluite jersey?!?!
Hey Charger, tonight instead of trying your bestest to remember the names of your draft picks (Buster Davis!?!?! IDIOT!!! maybe he can replace your fallen LB Axl Foley) Try getting on Monster.com and finding yourself a job. Seriously. Get a job and move out so your hot mom doesn’t have to wash your c@m stained undies anymore. That’s probably why she took your playstation.
A grown man crying about having his playstaion taken away…hmm..do we really need his commenter name to know he’s a chargers fan?
The real question here is…which will happen first, The dolts winning a SuperBowl or Charger getting a piece?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
This is odd to watch. I remember drinking the cool-aid after watching during last yrs camp. Shell looks like such a dope despite the medias hard work of trying to make him mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-wlqoa4IpY
August 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Congrats. bloomingtonraiders perpetuating the stereotype Raiders have the most clueless fan base in the league. lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Davis
August 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Do me a favor, don’t listen to ESPN, they are a joke. I heard him say that too.
Who do u think hurts his team more by not being at camp?
A- Jamarcus Russell
B- Larry Johnson
Easy answer, dumba$$ mort the dork! Im sure KC is laughing.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Hey Norval-
I cracked up when I read the Axl Foley comment! F’in hilarious!
Hey KoolKell-
I will be laughing my ass of when Brodie Croyle gets creamed and Jay Cutler doesn’t magically turn into John Elway. Just ask Jake Plummer what happens then. How long did the Chargers keep Pissing Rivers on the sideline before he ever took a snap? Chris Mortensen is a tool just like all of those other idiots at BSPN. Those a$$holes over must get a nice commision whenever they talk sh!t about the Raiders cuz that’s all they do. It’s the Raiders versus The World and I like our chances. F ‘em all!
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Charger fans have to hang out on a Raider site, cause everywhere else they’re afraid to talk smack to a Raider fan, especially in their own stadium. Ignore the loser.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
For some reason I think Chargers neighbor is full of shiit…. Have a feeling it’s a joke.
Either way, YES Rob Ryan is the real-deal-holyfield….
Can’t wait til Saturday night. I don’t give a crap what they say about pre-season, it’s a game to me, and I want the Raiders to win.
I have always been “In”…
August 16th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
they need to rename espn ebpn as in x bronco-player net work… it’s a complete and utter joke the way these idiots keep blasting the silver and black…but,we know how it is,raider nation,we know how it is,just ask mr.dead-bolt,oh,forget that,he’s too busy down at the library yuk’n it up with his harry potter geeks… we will rise again,nation,we will rise again
August 16th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I bet Charger and Charger’s neighbor are the same person. Notice whenever Charger posts Chargers neighbor is never far behind. I couln’t really tell you why, some sick internet thing I suppose?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Yep, they’re the same dude. Thats why kids gotta be careful on the internet. Weirdos like that , only sickos go dual personality on a football blog.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Keyshawn Johnson on the pre-game show of tonights game says ‘College coaches never work in the Pro’s NFL or NBA”. He was talking about Nick Sabean, but of course he could say the same thinn about Kiffin. Can anyone prove him wrong?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Jimmy Johnson
August 16th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
I like how Kiffin is making the QB situation a total competition. Each guy is getting his chance with each squad to see what they are made of. A lot of coaches might have pushed DC into the starting rotation a lot sooner when they saw he was healthy, just because of his prior work, but Kif is really making him earn it. It seems that DC is responding to the challenge real well. I’m not sure if its coincidence or not but usually the third game of the preseason is the closest thing you have to a dress rehearsal of the regular season and DC just happens to be in the starting lineup. Hmmmm? Like Jerry said in one of his past blogs, once the Raiders close up shop in Napa and head to Alameda then we’ll start to see the real players emerge. I still say starting DC is our best shot this year, you just can’t beat experience at the QB position. Throw in the obvious physical skills and as long as he is healthy he should be QB1.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Dear Keyshawn,
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Charger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_David
My sister told me some girls from san diego thought he was a fine receiver and liked his music… My guess is they were blonds… or just charger fans
August 16th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Thanks Wilmac, good answer. I feel better know.
More Holdout Perspective: http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_6637341
August 16th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Jack Pardee from Houston took the Oilers to 4 or 5 playoffs. And Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with the Cowgirls. I think Vermil coached UCLA as well before he went to the Eagles. So there is hope for Kiffin, the guys got moxie, or however you spell it.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
WILMAC Says: “I bet Charger and Charger’s neighbor are the same person. Notice whenever Charger posts Chargers neighbor is never far behind. I couln’t really tell you why, some sick internet thing I suppose?”
1. This is completely inaccurate. Check the posts yourself.
2. You might find this hard to believe, but when someone posts after another person, it is often called a “response.” Capiche?
3. I know why you “couldn’t really tell you why”, because you pulled it out of your ass.
ryan420raider Says: “Yep, they’re the same dude. Thats why kids gotta be careful on the internet. Weirdos like that , only sickos go dual personality on a football blog.”
Wrong. And no, kids don’t need to be careful… they just need to not be completely retarded. One ounce of common sense will eliminate any and all internet “threats.” Then again, maybe your kids really are idiots.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Sort of watchin the Quiefs vs Dolphins game…the Quiefs are not lookin good.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
From what I’ve heard the Dolts did not look good either….the Donkeys did look good…so that leaves Raiders and Donkeys lookin good w/ Dolst and Quiefs lookin not so good…
IF that’s how the season unfolds this will be a great year for the Kiffster!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
KC is garbage, they will be top 3 in next years draft, count on it.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
What do you think of the rookie cap idea?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
On another note, anyone get Madden ‘08 yet? Man, we suck on there. Gallery REALLY sucks on there, have to do lots of trading before week one just to be competetive.
GO RAIDERS!!
did not think they were that bad over all rated 84 PS3 version
August 16th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
To Charger Fan! Show me the hardward! The have one of the best TE’s RB’s in the game today and you can’t even win a playoff game at home. Not only that if you think Coordinator(errrr) Coach Norv Turner will lead you to the promise land you were better off with Farty Shotsiemer. Norv is a joke he has never won as a head coach and never will. Chargers welcome to the world of mediocracy.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
norval “three and out” turner Says: On another note, anyone get Madden ‘08 yet? Man, we suck on there. Gallery REALLY sucks on there, have to do lots of trading before week one just to be competetive.
did not think they were that bad overall rated 84 PS3 version
August 16th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
West raider…Picked it up today haven’t even opened teh shrink wrap yet. I NEED to be off work NOW.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Chargers neighbor,
I really coudn’t tell you why you wierdos do anything you do. And children are very trusting thats why they do dumb shi*. Just an observation. Sorry if you really are the real deal. It just seems funny that someone in SD is on the Oaklandtribune website at the exact same time as their neighbor. And how come I never really hear you two interact. Stay away from kids bro.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
See how easy that was I just used a different name.
-WILMAC
August 16th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Uh… Bill Walsh. Pretty sure we can consider him a success at the pro level, rest in peace.
Charger’s Neighbor… I believe you. Nobody could make up something that hilarious.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Let’s see… Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Dick Vermiel, Barry Switzer; that’s 9 or 10 Super Bowls, I think.
Maybe Keyshawn skipped the “research” part when prepping for his media career.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
hit me up PS3 madden 08 WESTRYDA
August 16th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Didn’t Keyshawn play for John Robinson @ USC?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Hey charger, you douche.. Some fan you are. Can’t even make it to a game IN YOUR OWN STATE. I make a Raider game at least once a year and I have to leave Oklahoma to do it.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
He’s not answering… Maybe his mommy is making him a snack.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Switzer.. now that man was a coach.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Okie-land Raider,
Is Switzer though of as a badass down there, or did the Cowgirl thing kinda screw that up?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Switzer will always be Oklahoma royalty.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Besides, EVERYONE in Oklahoma is a Cowgirl fan. The only pro team that we have is the Sooners.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
was at the game sat. and i will INVADE munstar park this sat nite GO RAIDERS………………………
August 16th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Going to San Fran? Be sure to pick up some wine and a loaf of sourdough…oh wait.. throttle all teh whiners you can find.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
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August 16th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
The NBA screwed you guys out of the Hornets to be politically corect to the Katrina “victims”. I would be pissed, you people supported that team even though they stunk.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
YUP. The players all said they loved it here. The stands were always full, and apparently they never were in N.O. I’m not much of a B-ball fan, but the games were fun.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
I remember the Opening game before Katrina, and there were 10K fans there sitting on there hands. Meanwhile during the preseason you guys would sell out and there would be a post-season atmosphere! Maybe you guys will get the Sonics.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
There are whispers of that happening. Are you in New Orleans?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
No, in Houston. And the Raidas better kick the shi* out of the Texans this year, or i’m in some serious shi*.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
At least I am not the only guy who knows the feeling of being the only guy in the stadium wearing black.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Dude I went to Reliant in 04′ to watch the Raiders v Texans. I wasn’t alone, we were all kind of sitting in a section together. We were spit on, cursed at, and I was actually hit in the temple with a full Pepsi can at about 15yards. Fuc*in 14 year old would’ve got his a** whoped if it weren’t for the other 55K fans in attendance.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I am not sure that Walter starting the SF game is really a promotion. I think they know what they have in McCown and a little less so w/ Culpepper, but they really want to find out if Walter has it or not. The only way to find this out is to throw him in there w/ the first team d. Overall Walter doesn’t have the mobility or complete package of either McCown or Pepp. I think Culpepper is the starter in Detroit.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Okie-land… My mom’s folks are from just south of Tulsa. My sister and I spent almost every summer back there while growing up and even that far east and in the middle of summer all the sports pages were full of Sooner news. I’ve been a Sooner almost as long as I’ve been a Raider, and remember the Switzer years well. Even got to the game they played at Stanford when Walsh was there and Thomas Lott ran the wishbone. Awesome game; Oklahoma won the game when they intercepted Guy Benjamin in the end zone with about 8 seconds left. Fond memories…
August 16th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
WILMAC..dude that sucks. I have been to many Oakland/cheifs games in KC. I have never had anything like that happen. I am afraid that I would have had my a$$ whuped by the entire stadium.
Raider From Birth. My dad used to take me to the games as a kid. watching the Selmon brothers was something. I was in college during the peak of the Switzer years. We would bet on whether we would score our 50th point in the first or second half. Man I hatted Jimmy Johnson. First at Okla State and then especially at Miami. We could beat the world, but not that team.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
That Detroit game is so pivitol for this francise. We win and the players gain confidence, we loose to Detriot and………I don’t even want to think about it.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
I shudder to think.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
My four biggest sports heartbreaks… Johnny Rodgers, 1971. Immaculate “Reception”. Gibson/Eckersley. The Snow Job.
Not necessarily in that order.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Yea, it’s all good. Usually its not a good idea to invade any stadium in the deep south yellin Raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidas, Raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidas, Raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidas!
August 16th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
I would love to hang one on the donks also.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Yeah, the Selmons. Three of ‘em, and not one of them could be stopped. I remember when Nebraska scored 77 against Army; I spent the rest of the year hoping we’d put up 78 on somebody. It was possible, too.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Tuck rule..just the mention of it and my blood boils. I know it was a screw. You know it was a screw. The patsies know it was a screw. I just want them to admit that it was a screw.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I remember when U of Houston ran up 100 on Tulsa in the Dome! That was an a$$ whoopin.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I hate randy moss! feels great to say that.(:
August 16th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
I’m with you, Moss hater.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
WILMAC… that must have been fun to watch. Parity is all well and good, but there was something about watching the really good teams put a whuppin’ on the other guys. The K-State game was always a good one for Sooner fans back in the day…
August 16th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Yea before Synder they were a freakin JOKE!
You guys want to hear a Olklahoma joke?
August 16th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Bring it on, WILMAC.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Why dosent Texas float into the Gulf of Mexico?
August 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Because Oklahoma sucks.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Why is it so windy in OK?
Because Texas BLOWS!
August 16th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Wilmac, It looks like we will have to hate each other on Saturday and love each other on Sunday.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
You guys are awesome. Oh, and it’s still the Red River Shootout. I don’t care what the media calls it.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Horns down, Okie land. I’m more a U of H guy
August 16th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Moss will curse the pats
August 16th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Miami is gonna whoop okies week 2
August 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
And Brady’s dating a supermodel. It’s the end of the Pats dynasty as we know it.
Okie, we’re in big trouble. Ryan’s a U guy, and you said yourself we’re cursed when it comes to those guys.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Well, we’ll just have to wait and see. All I know is that I can’t wait to see how our beloved Silver and Black do Saturday night. In the mean time I gotta run. I’ll speak with you more tommorrow.
IM IN!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
This has been much better than discussing dogs, OJ, Ray Lewis, and the current state of the union.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
I know I’m in a better mood. Thanks for the conversation, WILMAC. I’m going to bed.
August 17th, 2007 at 6:02 am
Hey RAIDER X,there’s no way you can compare charger fans to RED SOX FANS. At least the RED SOX have won WORLD SERIES. The chargers haven’t won anything. We as RAIDER FANS know that in the end the saga continues for the nfl chargeretts,DOLTS LOSE,DOLTS LOSE,THAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DOLTS LOSE.