Sapp makes it official
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, January 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Defensive tackle Warren Sapp confided to a few reporters following the season finale against the San Diego Chargers that he was going to retire but wanted to hold off until he spoke with Al Davis.
Having had his conversation, Sapp confirmed to Bay Area News Group Raiders beat writer Steve Corkran Thursday that he is indeed retiring.
Sapp, 35, finished with just two sacks in 2007 but in many games looked as quick and active as ever.
Was Sapp a factor in the NFL’s 31st-ranked run defense? As a tackle in the middle of the line, sure. But Sapp’s main job was never as a hold-the-point-of-attack player, waiting for linebackers to clean up. He was paid to shoot gaps and disrupt offensive line play, and Oakland’s soft middle _ particularly mammoth tackle Terdell Sands _ in essence mitigated what could have been a weapon.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
First!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Thanks Warren. You were an awesome tackle…hope to see and hear more of you as an analyst…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Too bad i wish we could have kept him and get Haynesworth or dorsey that would have been great but cheers to Sapp fo rdoing his thing great locker room prescence and teammate
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Honestly…somebody needs to answer this question.
If Rob Ryan goes to the Jets, does anybody really see Rob Ryan changing that defense to a 4-3 Man to Man Defensive Scheme?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Thanks Warren Sapp. Sorry for making your life miserable the last 4 years.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Were going to miss you Warren! Going to games was made much more fun by watching him dance and have a great time during timeouts.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Did you guys see when Johnnie lee muffed that punt return Sapp came and counseled him I wonder what he said
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Thanks Terdell Sands for being a lump of cole and not allowing Warren Sapp to get to the QB. I look forward to you ruining the next great tackle we bring in.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Anthos - Sapp told Higgins that he doesn’t have to feel bad about the punt fumbles anymore because Sapp won’t be there to kick him in the head any longer.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Well Huff, We’ll see. I take it the Jets run a 3-4.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Warren was a beast, and a fine leader. He will be missed, and I really wish we could have played better when he was still around.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
sapp is a great leader and motivator, he will be missed, i just hope morrison and nnamdi can fill that void of leader and motivational guy
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
KoolKell - Yes. The Jets run the 3-4. Rob Ryan would be happy to go to a team with his system already in place and waiting for him. I don’t think Rob Ryan would jump to a team with a 3-4 and change it to the 4-3 man to man meaning that system he currently runs isn’t his choice. Someone above is holding all the cards.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I hope Sapp lands a job somewhere as an analyst…he would very much be like Barkley is for TNT, and would be a refreshing change from the Tom Jacksons and Sean Salisburys of the sports world.
As much he was a locker room presence and leader, we really needed that run stuffer, and unless Sands all of a sudden becomes a stud, we’ll need Sapp replaced. Let the speculation begin, but since Dorsey will likely be gone by the time it’s our turn, it would be nice to draft Sedrick Ellis. Maybe then we could spend some money and sign Haynesworth…?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I’d like to see the Raiders replace him with a grown man, and not a rookie. They need a proven vet, and not another square one rookie. Particularily on the line of scrimmage, where men play not kids.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Big deal. Sapp did nothing but talk for 4 years. Tampa got rid of him for a reason and Davis wasn’t smart enough to realize it. Here’s to hoping Ryan’s next and that Kiffin’s in the process of bringing in a DC who will build us a real defense for a change.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Now that Corkran continues to get cred with releasing the Sapp retirement, I’m curious if Steward’s story 3 days ago on Ryan being canned / released will come to fruition…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Sapp has been here for most of our 5 year dark age. He’s a bastion of our culture of losing. He epitomizes everything bad about us, loud, tough talking with piss pore play. The way I see it is, him leaving is a celebratory move for us en route to ridding this franchise of it’s diseased, all talk, no action, mind set. Good riddance. Hope Mr. Mullet is behind you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
DesertRaider,
Of course it will. These news organizations aren’t in the business of making themselves look silly, Regardless of what the myopics say.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
raiderwill1980 Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
sapp is a great leader and motivator,
…….
He was, IN TAMPA.
Here, he was a mouth. A leader must be judged by their results. I agree, he was a leader, a leader of all talk, no action loud mouths who dogged it Sunday after Sunday, and collected checks from their enabler, “Mr. Davis”.
He’s motivated me by retiring, that’s for sure. One more necessary step to building a winning attitude in this franchise, again. Camp Wuss is over. You hear that, everyone else on our D? If you’re not ready to practice hard and commit to winning, and were content with showing up and collecting your checks, in “Mr. Davis”’s veteran oasis, follow Warren right out the door.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Just some observations from the lido deck:
Coach Sean Says:
“Sapp got the rest of the defense to belly ache about how they’re built for the 4-3 so that’s what they should run, and Ryan caved.”
You couldn’t possibly know this as fact therefore you are purely speculating, just like most journalists do. Don’t speak on things as fact when you are speculating. It is very misleading, even though it may support your argument.
Dr. Huzeinga = MaddenRaider for those that haven’t figured that out.
Just so the rest of you know if you don’t already, all 3 Super Bowls that the Raiders won, the defense was a 3-4 scheme. Look it up.
For all of those posters fronting under new names to try and back up your tired argument under another name, you may consider moving on to another blog. No matter how many names you post under, if you post the same nonsense you will get the same result.
Sorry for the cut and paste early on STR
Lakers SUCK!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
With Sapp retiring, do we get all the cap room back or are there still penalties? He was couting 6.8 against the cap. Do we get that all back?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I’m afraid that if Haynesworth gets the pay day he’s looking for he’ll stop performing like he did this past year.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I respectfully take exception to your assessment on Sapp’s time here, Dr. Huzeinga. Sapp produced 19.5 sacks in the four years he was here…I don’t think you’ll find another D-lineman on the team (besides Burgess, of course) that can claim numbers like that…most importantly, of course, was the leadership that he clearly provided in the locker room…
BTW…”Huzeinga” spells his name H-U-I-Z-E-N-G-A. (I’m assuming that you’re using Dr. Rob Huizenga, author of “You’re Okay, it’s Just a Bruise” as your blog name).
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Acey - You do realize that you can have more than 1 person who feel that same way about Al Davis don’t you? Why does anybody with a similiar thought have to be the same person to co-exist? Is it that hard to believe? Are you BlackHolePriest or RaiderDell? You sound like them so you must be them right? Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
KoolKell -
I am really suprised that you pulled the “1st” thing. Man you are bigger than that
I just received a copy of Dolemite on dvd through netflix, to upgrade my library. Thanks for reminding me…
Sapp thanks for the memories and occasional laugh. You will be missed. Now go get your job from Jamie Dukes.
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
27th
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Acey - Its not running the 3-4 or the 4-3 that is the arguement. Its the rushing 3 or 4 people while playing man to man consistently that is retarded. We have never blitz enough for either the 3-4 or the 4-3. Thats a fact. We’ve always been known to play man to man throughout the years. These are consistent patterns.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Also, Sapp bailing like this is all the more reason to believe that the Count of Monte Kiffo is coming! Too f’n awesome, if it actually happens. Al would run them out in a few years’ time, but the scheme and players Monte brings in would get us much improved D for about 5 years. Kiffin builds his system on offense and when he inevitably gets ran out for Knapp (Davis’ next Norv), we’ll have decent offense and defense that can keep us in the hunt, and that Al probably wouldn’t be able to dismantle before we get some real success out of it.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell…I hear you…I’m just curious as to why it’s taking so long for the club to confirm…what do they gain by delaying…?
BTW, KooKell…Tower of Power is playing Friday through Sunday here in Vegas, at the Orleans…I just figured an old skooler like you might want to know…I remember “What is Hip?” blaring from the parking lots before the game back in the day…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
AceyDeucy,
Like I said they went 3-4 becuase of the unparralled talents of Ted Hendricks. Who was there for all three I believe. They were 4-3 pre Hendricks, and 4-3 post Hendricks.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I never liked Sapp, he was a weekly reminder of the 2003 SB loss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Dr. Huzeinga - I would love to get Monte Kiffin but I’m not sure if thats reality. You have to wonder why the Bucs haven’t signed him to a contract extension however. What do you think of Jim Mora Jr.? He had ties with Greg Knapp and Tom Cable with the 49ers and Falcons. I was wondering what kind of defense he runs. I know he runs the 4-3 but I’m not sure on which scheme he employs. Do you have any idea on that?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I blame Keith Millard and his boss, Rob Ryan. The Sapp/Sands combo never worked. Sapp couldn’t create enough pressure and Sands was left outnumbered. The four man rush depends on creating double-teams, otherwise the five Olinemen will always outmuscle the four Dlinemen. The 2007 ‘lightweight’ Sapp didn’t have the power to beat the opposing OG, the other Guard and the Center could therefore focus on attacking Sands. It wasn’t all Sands’ fault. Simple maths.
Goodbye, Warren and thanks for the memories. First ballot Hof, one of the very great DTs. We will miss you but we can make good use of the extra $6.8m.
Keith Millard and Rob Ryan, bye bye losers.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I watched Mizzou beat the Razorbacks tuesday in the Cotton Bowl. McFadden was the worst RB on the field, I don’t see what all the hype is about.
Tony Temple was the man for the Tigers, after he pulled a hamstring in the 3Rd Qt he went back in the game and ran for 40 yd on one play. Temple set a cottonbowl record 4 TD, 280yd
DMac had such a bad showing that he might stay in school. 21 touches for 105yd.
Fred Jones of the Razorbacks looks like he might be a better fit than DMac in the Raiders scheme.
Jones ran 10 time for 40yd and looke good running back kick offs.
DMac looked like the 3rd best back on the field.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Huff24 Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
“Acey - You do realize that you can have more than 1 person who feel that same way about Al Davis don’t you? Why does anybody with a similiar thought have to be the same person to co-exist? Is it that hard to believe? Are you BlackHolePriest or RaiderDell? You sound like them so you must be them right? Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.”
I usually don’t bother responding to nonsense but you in particular Huff24 need a reality check.
I am not a fool. Apparently you are. These people are posting the exact same thing under different names. Not similar, exact. I am not making an argument either Lame A$$, I am simply stating what I believe to be true. Isn’t that what you do? Get a grip bro contrary to your belief you are not the know it all, stat boy that you think you are. It doesn’t take brains to type someone’s name into google, cut and paste their bio and say you did some research. Whats wrong did I contradict your “theory” about the 3-4 with facts and not speculation? Did I not agree with you? Boo effing hoo!
I am BHP, Bob Marley, Raider Dell, STR, RaiderDogg, Terrapin, Raider Raul, Raiders Rain, SNB666 and anyone else with half of a brain.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
MaddenRaider….
Hey dude, can you get any more pathetic???….
Notice on the first post, he uses the bump and *chase* term and then in the second post under the ”Dr. Huizenga” name he uses the bump and *out* ran term, within the same frame.
Coincidence?…I don´t think so.
MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Rather Rob Ryan came here to run Mr. Davis’s defense or, not, it’s what he did. The bump and *chase*, no blitzing, not much change since Breshnehan.
Dr. Huzeinga Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
So, you’re right. Maybe Al Davis doesn’t believe in the bump and *out*ran, 11 on 11 defense. And, maybe you’re not a regular here pretending to be a lay newcomer?
And the reason I noticed it´s because I was gonna comment to him that the bump and *chase* term was actually very funny. Later on, I started reading ”Dr. Huzienga´s” posts and saw the bump and *out* ran comment and realized it´s one and the same guy.
Pathetic.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Fat Daddy,
Your comment ranks up there with the dumbest comments I have seen on this blog. One game does not make a man…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Terrapin - I respect your posts so I’m not trying to attack you but prove to me that we haven’t run the same defense over the years. At least give me some examples or videos or whatever. Maybe we’re all misinformed in some way but if we are, find that facts that support your arguement. They’re always required of everyone else. This is the way I have seen it from my perspective over the years from just watching the Raiders, reading up on everything, seeing prior quotes from players and personnel. Is there anything you can show me thats different?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Just in case some of you dumbazzes missed it:
Terrapin Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Thanks Aces..people same say of the dumbest, most uninformed sht imaginable like we alway ran the same defense and we never blitz b/c Al Davis is opposed to it. Straight up dumb sht. And eff it if you all are offended cause it was dumb of you to type it. Smartin’ up next time. Or at least acknowledge you were wrong and move on. Be a Man or Wo-Man.
Look at any old Raider footage and you’ll quickly feel like a dumbass!
Terrapin Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
We were one of the 1st teams to implement the 3-4 scheme, blitzing like crazy from my memories!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Actually, I believe Rob Ryan tried running a 3-4 defense here in Oakland his first year DC, as that is what he is comfortable with. But we didn’t have the right type of LB’s to pull it off, so he switched to a 4-3. So going to the Jets and running a 3-4 wouldn’t be much of a stretch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Ace is right, there’s only one person on the planet that criticizes Al’s style of ownership, and they post under thousands of different names….
Notice how these guys never respond to the points, they only play 007 with the identities. That, and “prove it”, their last leg of defense. OJ Simpson still challenges people to prove he killed Nicole. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
But, you know, defending Al Davis is hard these days. So I don’t blame these guys buy using the identity game as a red herring to avoid debate. They don’t have much else to fall back on. Oh, well, they could bring up Al’s success 30 years ago…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
KoolKell-
but we did win all 3 with the 3-4. Thats all I was saying.
DesertRaider24 -
TOP is from Oakland, bringing that Eastbay Grease baby! You should go check them out. Good grooves with one helluva horn section.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Dr
You are creating conjecture regarding my post. I never said anything about or did I once defend Al Davis. I simply stated that you (MaddenRaider) post the EXACT same crap under many names. If you are going to do that maybe you should at least mix it up a little so us regulars have a more difficult time figuring out who you really are. Here’s another tip: When posing as someone you might want to spell their name correctly IDIOT!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Bob did it again! You are the man Bob!
No matter how many names you use MaddenRaider you will always get Marley’d in the end!
That made my day Bob, just like your music.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Acey - Your current arguement proved absolutely nothing to me. Your mad because someone disagreed with you I guess but you’re guilty for disagreeing with someone else. Everyone on here is posting what they believe or how they see it, so why do you attack them when they do and say they are wrong? You’re telling me you NEVER post the exact same thing as someone else? You were able to name all of the people that post the exact same things as you but you’re mad? You threw yourself into the fire on that one, not me.
I don’t really care if you agree with me or not, that wasn’t the issue. I was just curious as to why you had to give people sh!t for having similiar feelings and you had to go off on a tantrum. Are you feeling guilty or something?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Bob Marley, the only thing missing from your post was the soundtrack from Pink Panther…
Oops, I think MaddenRaider said that, too.
Anyway, while Marley plays Where’s Waldo, I’m just going to say that it’s a good day considering Sapp’s retired. He was all talk. Sure, some decent stats, but at the most, that would just make him a decent player, NOT a leader. If he wants to take responsibility for being the leader of a defense that couldn’t stop the run if the opponent team was running toward the wrong goal, then give him the credit. All the more reason to be glad he’s gone.
Sapp sucks. Good riddance. Hopefully, the low rent Ryan is next.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
The Jets do run a 3-4 scheme. Thier run defense is horrible. And thats why most mocks had them drafting Long. If Ryan goes their it’ll be interesting to see if he can improve it cause we stunk at run d for years now.
Miami runs a 3-4 too and thats why I think most mocks have it wrong with Miami chosing Dorsey. They are just as likely if not more to take Long. Dorsey operates in a 4-3 I believe. Tuna ran a 3-4 in Dallas. Long is all you look for a #1 pick expect raw speed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Mike Martz for D-coordinator! Couldn’t be worse than Ryan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Fat Daddy, I think McFadden is special but he is a bit of a playground bully. Brilliant against the lesser teams but doesn’t always perform against the better defenses. The real question is whether the NFL will bring out the best in him or simply expose the fragility you saw last night?
Listening to Kiff, I think he views RBs as tools of the process, rather than star athletes. Fargas is the model - brave, disciplined, uncomplicated and ever willing.
Perhaps we should take another willing lab rat in lower rounds, like Chauncey Washington from USC or Andre Brown from NC State. The McFadden of last night seems very poor value for a top 5 pick.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I’ve got things to do, I’ll catch up later. Peace.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
MaddenRaider says:
December 29th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Actually, that’s just it. He designed the team colors and made up the slogans. He also signed quarterbacks with not much more skill than throwing a ball deep, and receivers and defensive backs that can only run fast. Ron Wolf did everything else.
So, without Al Davis, all we will need is an owner/gm who’ll sign braindead quarterbacks with strong arms, and speedy receivers that couldn’t catch balls if their lives depended on it.
Uniforms, check.
Slogans, check.
We’re good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Huff24 -
Like I said before I was not stating an argument to begin with, just stating facts as I see them. Maybe you should re-read Bob’s post #37, maybe Bob explained it better than myself. You resorted to calling me Lame which pissed me off, considering you obviously didn’t understand what I was talking about. Maybe if you used logic and reason instead of childishly calling me names we could have a civilized discussion.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Better this way. Would have been unpleasant to fire him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Acey–I hear you…I grew up in Alameda and Hayward during the ’70s and ’80s…I have seen them live, and yes –it’s all about their horn section. I think Emil Castillo and Francis Rocco Prestia are still around too (the tenor sax player and bassist, respectively).
Man, it’s only Jan. 3, and there is already so much hate and discontent on the blog! LOL Thank God I’m a baseball playa!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Best of Luck Warren. The quotes wont be the same without you. Im sure we will see him interviewing people on the sideline real soon.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Scottish,
If Miami takes Dorsey and the Rams take Chris Long and we have the #3 pick who do we take? Jake Long? Ellis (3rd best d-lineman in the draft #3 overall)? LLarantigulitsisis or whatever that LB’s name is? Who do we take if not McFadden at #3 or #4?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Acey, I didn’t mean to get you worked up, whoever I am :). You’re really angry, now. This is supposed to be fun, so now I feel bad.
I just don’t understand for the life of me why you guys are so concerned about posters’ identities. Almost everyone here is anonymous. Almost everyone here has posted under different names, and I’m sure Jerry or a moderator could confirm that.
Why not just debate the points? Is it because you know Al Davis is a lousy gm? I mean, if I were on here saying Michael Jordan was a lousy basketball player, or Tiger Woods was a lousy golfer, you guys could just argue against that with actual, tangible points. But I say Al Davis is a lousy gm, and since there is no argument against that point, you guys play this game of figuring out who the person is and making the debate about them.
This is an Oakland Raiders blog. The actual blogger himself is a documented Davis critic. Yet, you guys just go into these emotional fits whenever a commenter comes in and speaks their mind about Davis, as if it’s your house. I’d get over yourselves, if I were you. Because until Al Davis steps aside and lets’ real football people build a competitive team, you’re going to have a tough time trying to make the identities of all his critics that come in here.
Now cheer up.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Dr Hotair
Sapp had 10 sacks in 2006 which LEAD all dt’s in the league. Did you read that Dr H? He LEAD all dt’s in the league. To be a leader you must lead. Put your personal feelings about Sapp aside, your emotions are causing you to ignore facts!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Huff24
Dude, if Ryan goes to the Jets he´s gonna be Mangini´s support guy, that Defense will always be Mangini´s wether it´s good or bad, it´s his bread and butter.
Mangini won´t bring Ryan in to ”implement” nothing, if anyone out there has any hope of emulating Belichick´s success as a tactician is his own prized pupil, Eric Mangini.
My guess is Mangini will feel very comfortable with Rob Ryan overseeing the day to day operations on D that Mangini may not be able to attend as a HC. But as far as calling the shots, it´s gonna be Mangini all the way.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Oh and Scottish…please don’t say trade down, Al never trades down from a top draft position.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
If the rumor is true about Monte Kiffin coming the Raiders,I think he’ll play another season.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
# Al Davis =? Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
MaddenRaider says:
December 29th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Actually, that’s just it. He designed the team colors and made up the slogans. He also signed quarterbacks with not much more skill than throwing a ball deep, and receivers and defensive backs that can only run fast. Ron Wolf did everything else.
So, without Al Davis, all we will need is an owner/gm who’ll sign braindead quarterbacks with strong arms, and speedy receivers that couldn’t catch balls if their lives depended on it.
Uniforms, check.
Slogans, check.
We’re good.
………
Hey, great post ^^^.
I like this guy.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sometimes Hukk24 aka WoOdSoN21 you do get a bit tiresome. Complain all you will about Sapp et al being imperfect beings. My God young man, where do you get off… Warren did his best, he was a professional and he helped out underlings. His sound bites are indeed Barkleyesque with intelligence, insight and innuendo.
The Raiders never heard of a 3-4 until their second Super Bowl Victory. Dave Rowe an anchor of that I believe. To admonish Al for the coordinator’s woes is childish. Think Hendricks never blitzed? Find your own film.
Thanks Warren, it’s been a pleasure
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Acey, you’re right. I agree. Sapp was a leader. He was a leader of one of the worst defenses in the modern day league. Forgive me for equating the concept of being a “leader” with the results of “winning”. I should have known better, dealing with an Al Davis fan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I support fat daddy. I’m sorry you are so short sighted dakota. McFadden lacked, well everything in that game. He showed some burst, but nothing else. If you can’t get up for a bowl game, you’ve got nothing for the NFL. Additionally, Fred Jones has out done him all year, not just in this one game. Either way, they are both too small for our scheme. You choose to call a guy’s comments dumb for posting his opinion? I feel sorry for you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
OOOOO, that was a good one Dr. H! Sorry Acey, but that one was pretty good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Dakota,
I will stick to my guns and suggest that we take James Laurinaitis at 3 or 4, if Dorsey and Chris Long are gone.
Darren McFadden is potentially brilliant but just too risky - and RB is a position of strength for us.
Jake Long is no Joe Thomas. He is great in a run-offense but he is very average in pass protection. We need OTs who can give JR time. Jake reminds me too much of Robert Gallery.
James Laurinaitis is a proven performer. He has the strength, the smarts and the engine. He is a warrior and a leader. Morrison is not an MLB. He is a strongside LB. I just think a trio of Howard, Laurinatis and Morrison will be massive.
I don’t think trading down will be an option. There aren’t enough stars to prompt teams to trade up. Therefore, Laurinaitis looks the best combination of big talent and big need in the draft.
If the Pats want him, he should be good enough for us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Sapp & Monte really didnt have a good relationshp
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Short sighted? He wants to call McFadden a bust because he ran for 100 yards in a bowl game and you call me short sighted? I fel sorry for you dumb@ss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I loved warren but this is the best off-season move! We need a DT that can plug holes in the running lanes. We need to get haynesworth and mold terdell sands into that run-stuffer that ryan invisioned. We also need to get Ryan outta here. I love Ryan but we need a DC that will use line-backer blitz. With the speed of our line-backers, there is no reason why Howard and Morrision shouldn’t have 10 sacks between the two of them.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
thanks warren you are a true raider and your leadership and intensity will be missed in the locker room but hopefully you rubbed off on morrison and thomas — I think you did! but sands not so much.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Dr Hotair aka MaddenRaider aka whoever you decide to be today -
Your hatred for Al Davis is once again clouding your vision. I never once said a damn thing about Al Davis. You are the one who keeps bringing him up as if I was arguing with you about him. Get a clue. BTW I am sitting here cracking up, the furthest thing from being angry. Life is too short to let someone such as yourself make me angry. Especially on a blog.
I really enjoy exposing frauds such as yourself for who they really are and it makes it even more enjoyable and sweet when someone (Bob) backs up my point with cold hard facts. You got Marley’d! lol
If I were to post under a different name I would at least be creative and say different things. I wouldn’t agree with myself and pat myself on the back. You make it so obvious man. I do believe that Huff24 only posts as Huff24 and that deserves my respect. We may not always agree but at least he has the balls to stick to one name whether people agree with him or not. You should consider doing the same.
Dakota -
Lakers suck. Ha got you with that one!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
So let me ask you guys something. Let’s say Bellichick quits and becomes the Raiders DC and wants to run his version of the 3-4 here. Who’s the NT in that defense??? Sands?? Since Miami is gonna run Sabans hybrid 3/4 4/3 and it’s all but guaranteed they’ll take Dorsey cause he’s a perfect fit for their scheme, don’t say Dorsey. And very athletic 340 pounders who can constantly command double teams don’t just fall out the sky.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Dr Huz, there was a great book written some years back called ‘Shibumi’. In it an elderly gentleman around the time of V-Day was explaining to a young man that honor had become a dead rite. The world was now to be ruled by winning and losing only. And all the whoredom of the Yankees and Pewkriots are then celebrated
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I think Warren will be a great analyst somewhere; Charles Barkley is a good comparison.
Dakota, that one game making a man thing, I’m not so sure. I tuned into the Sugar Bowl last year to watch Brady Quinn and came away wondering who was the big fella destroying the Irish (your boys, right? Sorry) while Brady was lobbing INTs and getting sacked. Not saying McFadden is an automatic bust, but I tuned into a little of that game on Tuesday, because everyone on here has been talking about him. I’d never really seen him play before, and I have to say I came away unimpressed.
Although, they didn’t have a coach for that game, did they? Is Bernard running things there yet?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Does anyone know what being “Marley’d” means? These goofballs, the same ones all butt hurt about my Davis comments, keep saying that. This Marley cat doesn’t seem like s’t, to me. Seems like another Davis shill who spends more time trying to discredit people who discuss how lousy Davis is than actually refuting them. Oh, sure, he’ll refute them with high road quotes from Madden…Like Madden is going to bash him in public. Again, though, what do you expect? Formal complimentary quotes from former employees, success decades ago, and attacking the messenger. The formula for defending the indefensible, Al bonehead Davis.
Marley, put down the bong and step to daddy, biiaatch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Maryland, trust me, Sands will be 10x more effective without Sapp than he was this year. They were like the world’s worse blind date, absolutely no chemistry.
Every Bill needs a Monica, not a Hilary!!
Who’s winning in Iowa? Wherever Iowa is….
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Scottish, if we pick Laurinittissitsy, or whatever his name is, I think we better let the clock run out on our pick a few times and pick him #6 if we can’t trade down. That would be a major reach at #3.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Haynesworth is a bust that only performed beyond expectations in a CONTRACT YEAR. Once he gets paid he will lack the motivation just like Terdell Sands and Shaun Alexander…maybe even LJ. Let’s see how he does next year since he got injured.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
First, Bob, give your mini Me (Acey) a nose rub, and put him to bed. We don’t want him and his midget arguments to get stepped on….
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Copy n’ Paste, got a problem?
Injuries limited the number of defenive lineman Madden had available so he used Hendricks as a stand-up defensive end, the positon Hendricks played in college. At season’s end the Raiders defense was among the NFL’s top units, despie injuries to a few key defensive linemen. They led the NFL in interceptions and they ranked 2nd in the NFL in sacks, 7th in fewest points allowed, and were 3rd in total defense (which is fewest yards allowed).
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
We need big bodies that can play. the Raiders have drafted the least interior linemen of any tem over the past few years. Our offensive and defensive lines are both very very weak. We keep drafting safeties in the first round. Safety is one of the few positions you can get a good one in free agency. We need a DT or LT that can play dammit. We need a few really.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Dakota,
If he has a solid combine, Laurinaitis will go top 4. He is the best LB prospect since A J Hawk and just what we need….and there aren’t too many FA options at MLB.
This is looking a strange draft. Relatively few nailed-down stars but quite a lot of depth. The complete opposite of last year. 2007 had some real HoF prospects (Russell, Johnson, Thomas, Peterson, etc.) but there was precious little talent left after Round 2. 2008 looks much deeper and is ideal for the sensible shopper.
Laurinaitis is Alameda bound.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Cuzin Vinnie…that sounds a lot like Justin Fargas too…I’m just sayin’, let’s pick McFadden. McFadden. McFadden!!!!! I love McFadden!!!!!!
Second down and six to go for the Raiders at the Broncos’ 45. Russell comes under center, checks the coverage. Here’s the snap, handoff McFadden right side, cuts back to the inside, oh what a move, he’s at the 40, 30, 20, 10, 5……TOUCHDOWN RAAAAAAAIIIIDERS!
That’s all I want for Christmas!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Acey is walking funny. He must have been Marley’d again.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Dr -
Now you are just playing dumb. Or maybe you’re not playing. You know damn well what getting “Marley’d” means. It’s the VERY reason you had to change to your name.
As far as “mini me” goes I am just over 6′4″ and I weigh in at 262 lbs. Hardly mini. Shows how much you know. I do respect Bob for many things but my wife is the one that gets all my attention. Your bathouse comment was childish and wrong. How did that comment back up your argument? You are grasping at straws now MaddenRaider.
BTW you might think about not calling people “shills”. That’s another clue as to who you really are.
Still laughing my a$$ over here.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Another one, for the youngsters
Hendricks was likely at his best over nine seasons with the Raiders. The Raiders gave him the freedom to roam the line, blitz on impulse, read the play and react. Opposing players had great difficulty keying on him. He could disrupt the other team’s offense like few others. His 6′7″ frame and long arms made him hard to pass against; it also helped his tackling and reaching the quarterback quicker on blitzes. He sacked opposing passers 42 times while in a Raider uniform and set a Raiders record of 9 sacks in post season games. During Hendricks’ time (1975-83) with the Raiders the great pass rush led by Hendricks, Howie Long, John Matuszak, Pat Toomay, Lyle Alzado and Otis Sistrunk, the Raiders logged 394 team sacks, second only to the Dallas Cowboys during that span (who had 413).
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
“give someone enough rope and they hang themselves”
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Nice post KoolKell.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Anyone here 4′9″ and 350 lbs? We need a NT for the 3-4 everyone here thinks we should install.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
thanks for everything sapp! u deserved the pro bowl last season 10 sacks u still havent lost a step its just time to call it quits thanks for being a raider!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Davis compiled a coaching record of 23-16-3 in three seasons as head coach in Oakland
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
dakota,”You love me”
Thats why i dont want to be drafted by any california teams.
im “quality” bro, in a football sense.
Btw, i havent announced if im coming out, get it
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I’m just sayin’, let’s pick McFadden. McFadden. McFadden!!!!! I love McFadden!!!!!!
“give someone enough rope and they hang themselves”
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I still love you man!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
nice visual Dakota. 4′9″ @ 350lbs would be just as wide as tall, or wide on all sides as they say. No one would get by him!
Lakers still suck.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Once he rejoined the Raiders organization, Davis ruthlessly attempted to gain power within the club. In 1972, while managing general partner Wayne Valley was attending the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Davis drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him near-total control of team operations. Valley sued to overturn the agreement once he returned to the country, but was unsuccessful
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I would like to thank all yooz who use your heads when commenting. It makes Jerry’s blogs a lil more intresting.
For the rest of you idiots, take your lame thinking some where else. Your going to affect our minds with your ignorance.
Also, if the shoe fits, where it!
That said, do we think Tommy Kelley will be able to come back and produce since Sapp is gone? I think our first pick has to a DT, unless we can get Haynesworth.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
The best NT prospect available is………Terdell Sands.
If Chris Long was on the board, we could try a switch to a 3:4 of Long/Sands/Richardson backed by Howard/Morrison/Kelly/Burgess.
Its not that daft!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Wayne Valley also knew that eventually that was exactly what Davis would do. Davis is a ruthless business man but Valley also knew that at the time he hired Davis that he would turn things around in a short period of time. Valley figured that he would cross that bridge when he got there and ultimately lost his lawsuit with Al. But Valley even said he figured Al Davis would do that but he hired him anyway.
Right KoolKell?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
After failing with three puppet coaches, Davis hired Lane Kiffin in January 2007. Kiffin, protege to offensive master mind Norm Chow, coordinated the offensive juggernaut USC
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hey McFadden doubters…did any of you watch this game? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21941844/
You know, the one where McFadden ran for 206 yards and three tds (and threw for a td) against Dorsey and the #1 LSU Tigers in Baton Rouge and took them down single handedly?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Yeah, I gotta figure they knew who they were hiring.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
‘best’ position, dakota?= lovin ‘man’
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dakota
RE Post 49
It seems like dumb is contagious
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
KoolKell–thanks for the trip “back down memory lane…”(props to Minnie Riperton) I do remember all of those names quite vividly…
let’s face it…we have a lot of work to do to get people to remember the new names (Russell, Fargas, Asomugha, Morrison, Howard, etc…)
Here’s to a successful draft, a good FA signing or two, no holdouts, wins against ALL division opponents, and 6-8 wins next season. Hope we sign a good DC too.
I have my baseball finals this weekend to prepare for…gotta hit the cages…I’m out Raider Nation!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Yeah Fat Daddy, I knew when I hit submit that one was coming right back at me…good catch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
is there a Dr in the house?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Scottish, good call. I like that idea.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Thanks Warren, I know it didn’t work out how we expected but you never quit and deserved a pro bowl nod last year.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
keep the knowledge coming KoolKell
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
R8R_ERN, there is quite a depth to the DT list. We could pick up a very nice prospect in the lower rounds, for example:
B.J. Raji, Boston College Sr, 6-1, 340lbs
Jason Shirley, Fresno State Sr, 6-5, 330lbs
Terrance Taylor, Michigan Jr, 6-0, 310lbs
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’m glad Sapp is no longer playing for us. He talked too much crap, or he didn’t talk enough. He was overweight or underweight. He was great one year (10 sacks) and wasn’t so great the other years. I just think he epitomized all that was rogue and undisciplined about the ‘old Raiders’. Now, with a new attitude from Lane Kiffin, both Sapp and Ryan leaving will help complete the change in culture.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Does anyone else notice as soon as the good Dr aka MaddenRaider left the IQ level in this ongoing discussion has increased? I just thought I would point that out…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Jason Shirley? Surely you must be joking Scottish.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
does that mean dakota also?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Scottish, Chris Long has been my favorite for our first rounder. Who do you suggest we pick up at WR and ST.
Would be nice to grab Berrian in FA.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Hey Acey (sounds like a bathhouse name), seriously, what does “Marley’d” mean? I just don’t get it. Surely it doesn’t mean to own someone in a debate, because he hasn’t done that in his life. If you’d come out from behind his leg, mini me (not buying your large frame, because you just post like you’re small…), you’d realize that. Bringing up formal complimentary quotes from friends of Al’s doesn’t win debates, not against someone who’s pointing out actual things on the field and coupling them with quotes that have come right out of Al Davis’s reeking mouth.
Seriously, why are you so content with being Marley’s bottoms?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Sapp was one of the few players currently on the team that would have fit in with Alzado, Matuszak, Davis and the other great defensive players of the 60s, 70s and early to mid 80s. Sad to see him go.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Terdell Sands and Finch from the movie Wildcats would be a great comparison, except that Finch actually could make a play when he got paid $20 bucks, unlike Sands and his ridiculous contract.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Jason Shirley is a bad, bad, boy. If he stays out of jail, stays off the beer and focuses on football, he could be a monster DT.
He is a project but a real prospect. His off-field antics will offend the puritans and he will fall to the 6th. But he just might be a great Raider.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
BigMark, Sapp wouldn’t have lasted one day on that old Raider team. Nobody on that old Raider team would have played on the current Raiders for more than one year. Once they saw what was going on, they would have left a dent in their locker and walked right out the door, sadly realizing that a sad, new day has dawned on this once great franchise (Al’s giant f’n ego).
Sapp was way too tolerant of this culture of losing to be compared to those great Raiders that simply did not tolerate losing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
DAMN!lmao! Im getting dumber by the minute!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Acey’s 6 ft tall and weighs over 250? Talk about more bounce to the ounce. Come my way, sweetie. I’ll Marley you…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
“If he stays out of jail, stays off the beer and focuses on football, he could be a monster DT. ”
Scottish, that sounds a lot like Darrell Russell right there. I don’t think we want any part of him, unless he comes with an AA sponsor and a breathelizer-equiped face mask…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
R8R_ERN, I really like Berrian - he has speed and heart and might appreciate working with a decent QB. Bryant Johnson (Cardinals) is the other top WR but he is a bit less proven than Berrian.
The other one I like is Drew Carter from the Panthers. He should be available and has good size and discipline. He isn’t a burner but could be a go-to option for JR.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
ihate al as much as maddenraider/liberace/al davis/art shells hat/anikinskywalker/als brill cream/dr. huzeinga/ and that “pink panther theme”
Now thats the ticket
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Hey JohnS -
Thanks for the laugh. DR H aka MaddenRaider aka Liberace has lost all credibility on this board and only has childish insults left in his arsonal. Poor bastard.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
“After John Madden resigned as Oakland coach following the 78 season, Walsh, who was then Head Coach at Stanford, was mentioned as a candidate for ther Raider job. After telling friends he was not interested in working for Davis, accepted the San Francisco Head Coaching position.”
Black Knight, Al Davis and his Raiders.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Yeh, Tags, they’re all one person. Only one person on the planet criticizes Al. Got delusions?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
It just seems to me that DMac should have played better in the Cotton Bowl, concidering the fact that he is projected one of the top picks. It was a perfect opportunity to showcase his talent.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
JohnS, the Shirley kid just needs a bit of guidance and some better role models?
Okay, he has gone off the rails, but he did have a sensational game against JR and the LSU offense in 2006. He is a big risk but he could be great value.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
You’re welcome, although it looks like the moderator might taken my snap down…although he left all the bath house cracks up…weird.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
“What we do in life echoes in eternity” Thanks for your loyal service Warren.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I know Berrian’s got good hands and decent size from the game we played against the Bears earlier this year.
What’s the story with his speed? Is he a 4.4 or 4.5 type of guy?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Acey - I can see where you got mad and I understand but I didn’t call you lame. I said, “Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.” I was stating that the arguement is lame and many people use the same excuse for everything. Thats just a perfect example of how people see things differently of course but I promise you I wasn’t calling you names. If anything, I’m the one who usually gets annoyed by the name calling on here and BHP is notorious for it. Of course, when I tried to call him out on it, everybody took his side and ignored that fact so whatever…it probably doesn’t matter much anyways but you have to read it the way that I said it…thats all.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Hey Acey (aka Marley’s groupie, and not the real Marley with talent, but the fool who sits in here like a caveman and desperately tries to defend Al Davis with obviously complimentary, generic quotes from Davis colleagues), where in the hell is YOUR credibility? And, I’ve lost my credibility with who? A bunch of Davis brownies? That’s a credibility I don’t need, my bi-curious Marley jocking door knob. Believe me, I get support from the people in here with brains, that aren’t on some kind of payroll to make Al Davis look good. People who speak honestly and candidly about this team welcome my presence here. People constantly on the defense for a failed owner and a failed philosophy, like your dumb ass, are the only people threatened by me. Deal with that, wuss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Acey - Right after reading your post about me calling you names, I see you start calling Dr. Huzeinga…Dr. HotAir. So…you’re resulting to the same things you criticized me for? Fukin Hypocrite.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
LOL
# Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Mike Martz for D-coordinator! Couldn’t be worse than Ryan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Berrian is officially a 4.47.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Sapp is gone.
Now maybe we can stop the run.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Is this guy worth it?
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/11/lions-to-trade-shaun-rogers-at-2008-draft/
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Is Acey pissed again? It’s time for his meds, or another trip to the bathhouse to get “Marley’d” (his term). That usually calms him down.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Scottish, if it was a later round pick without a huge cap number, it would be a pretty good risk. Then again, this IS the Raiders. I guess as long as he doesn’t move in with Seabass it would be okay…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Parcells just “marley’d” Cam Cameron. It’s a sign. Another Discharger eating the chocalate rain. Now for the game on Sunday.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Bob Marley - You’re right. Mangini will be the boss and run his defense the way he wants to. What I’m saying is…I believe Rob Ryan intended to run the same exact defense with us. Why would Mangini want to bring a guy over who runs a 4-3 Man to Man scheme? Thats my point. He doesn’t…he wants to hire the “real” Rob Ryan…the one that wanted to run the same 3-4 defense that Mangini runs that I personally believe Al Davis didn’t want him to run. Thats just my opinion but it all adds up to me. I believe Rob Ryan will be allowed to run that defense on his own and run it in a way he would have ran our defense if he was allowed to.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Its a sad day in Oakland …swish is traded and Sapp is retiring…and this dr H. guy thinks Sapp was dogging it on sundays…I didnt read all the posts but i hafta rebuke the insanity of this guy calling Sapp a check collector…honestly if he were just collecting a check then why wouldnt he just collect another years worth? Why wouldnt he just fake an injury and collect his check every week from the sideline? For you to say he was a slacker is just asinine DR….The guy brought it every single down. Was he as good as he once was? No…was he a slacker ? hell no. Sapp was always down field making tackles so im really not sure what games you were watching. He may not have disrupted defenses the way he used to but give the guy some credit for playing hard. HE WILL BE MISSED.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
m Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sometimes Hukk24 aka WoOdSoN21 you do get a bit tiresome. Complain all you will about Sapp et al being imperfect beings. My God young man, where do you get off… Warren did his best, he was a professional and he helped out underlings. His sound bites are indeed Barkleyesque with intelligence, insight and innuendo.
The Raiders never heard of a 3-4 until their second Super Bowl Victory. Dave Rowe an anchor of that I believe. To admonish Al for the coordinator’s woes is childish. Think Hendricks never blitzed? Find your own film.
Thanks Warren, it’s been a pleasure
(I’m confused…can you tell me what you’re responding too?)
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Huff, you nailed it. But these guys you’re trying to inject an ounce of common sense into don’t want to believe that Al Davis ruins his teams with his meddling.
It’s not just your opinion. It’s documented fact. Don’t let these bozos push you into that corner. They sit there and demand proof from anyone who criticizes Al, but offer no evidence of their own when taking down other figures in the league.
Al’s defensive philosophies and subsequent meddling are common knowledge, documented by so many people it would actually hold up in a courtroom if for some reason it were ever brought up in a lawsuit against him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Huff24 -
You got me. I resorted to childish name calling just as you did. I am man enough to admit my mistakes, unlike many posters here. Here is another quote from me:
“I do believe that Huff24 only posts as Huff24 and that deserves my respect. We may not always agree but at least he has the balls to stick to one name whether people agree with him or not.”
Dr H -
Look internet tough guy I am no longer interested in exchanging insults with such an ignorant person, that relies on sexual deviant comments that are completely inappropriate. I never once defended Al Davis. You are delusional and irrational, too many names to keep up with. No matter your point of view many others including myself would respect your opinion more if you didn’t change your name constantly to back up your own argument. And with that I am done with your ignorance.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Thanks, Scottish.
4.47 is not too bad. I remember being pretty impressed by the guy…he’s a gamer.
If we don’t pay too much for him, he could be a solid fit. If we bring Porter back, it should be for the #2 spot and for #2 money. Curry is an OK #2, but a much better #3.
I really don’t want to see Tim Dwight back next year! Maybe, just maybe we give JLH another year, but he’s already turning into one of Al’s Boyz.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Yeah Jerry, this guy Sapp, unlike some others, brought it. week in and week out. plus, he spoke his mind. The killa didn’t mince words that’s for sure.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Thanks for the effort #99.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Thanks for the video post earlier OakRaider 831
Good stuff
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
# Jerry Mac Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Its a sad day in Oakland …swish is traded and Sapp is retiring…and this dr H. guy thinks Sapp was dogging it on sundays…I didnt read all the posts but i hafta rebuke the insanity of this guy calling Sapp a check collector…honestly if he were just collecting a check then why wouldnt he just collect another years worth? Why wouldnt he just fake an injury and collect his check every week from the sideline? For you to say he was a slacker is just asinine DR….The guy brought it every single down. Was he as good as he once was? No…was he a slacker ? hell no. Sapp was always down field making tackles so im really not sure what games you were watching. He may not have disrupted defenses the way he used to but give the guy some credit for playing hard. HE WILL BE MISSED.
……….
Now, let’s see, do I play the identity game now, and assume that Acey has gotten beaten down so bad today that he’s now resorting to posting as the blogger of this site, himself, knowing Jerry Mac’s screen name is in distinct font and color to demonstrate it’s administrative authenticity?
Nah. I’m not going to play that game. Jus the facts, ma’am.
So, it’s a sad day that the bastion of our piss poor, talk loud but lose on Sunday culture is finally out the door? You do know our record under Sapp’s “leadership”, do you not? Considering that, the fact that some of you dare to mention him along the lines of Lyle and Howie and the Tooz is blasphemous on it’s face.
Sapp will not be missed. It’s our winning ways between ‘00 and ‘02 that are still missed. Sapp came later, and lead us through an era of darkness with his pompous attitude and poor run stopping. Good riddance. I pray to god that the king of mullets is right behind him..
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I really liked Sapp, but it is time to move on, good luck see you on the tube…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I have to agree with the W.Sapp supporters on here. He was a great player and although his numbers slipped this year, he was never short on effort..just maybe he can take Schweigert with him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
You guys are right this Dr Huzienga character is a complete moron
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:36 pm
1959 Al Davis was a coach and recruiter for USC, accussed of recruitment improprities and was fired by incoming USC coach, John McKay.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Dr. Huz, Davis ruins the team with his crappy drafting. Five defensive backs and one kicker?! drafted in the first round in the last eight years. WTF?
Hey Al! Let Lane do it!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The whole run defense can not be pinned on one man. and even Howie slipped his last couple years but it wasnt from lack of trying. The Raiders forced him into retirement.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Your lack of intelligence makes any argument with you futile. Bloggers like yourself ruin perfectly good conversations. They are called trolls. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Bob Marley, Acey40Deuce, RaiderLifer and the countless others are completely right about you!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Sapp supporter here.
anyone else?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
good to know that I am not the only one.
KoolKell - That was a tidbit of info that I didn’t know. Like I said earlier thanks for the knowledge. It reminds me that there are still some people in here that have something insightful to offer.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
1960 Chargers:
Head Coach Sid Gillman
Backfield Coach Al Davis
Defensive line coach Chuck Noll
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Sapp supporter
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
LOL, Acey just called me an “internet tough guy” right after trying to intimidate me by lying to us about his height and weight. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, bozo, and is only matched by your utterly delusional and stupid support of Al Davis. Give it up and let Marley do your fighting.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Moss was a check collector..7 million worth. how can you compare the 2?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
sapp supporter
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
R8R_ERN,Like the move for Rogers if we could get him for a late round pick.Add him and go with Scottish draft idea [J.Laurinaitis] our d will be instantly upgraded and our backers would arguably be the best and fastest in the nfl.We would be able to run blitz better and shoot the gaps to shut down the run.LT and the cutback runners would have a harder time making those cutbacks which are always killing us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Most of the mock drafts have us taking McFadden.
Please God, make it so.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
# Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Your lack of intelligence makes any argument with you futile. Bloggers like yourself ruin perfectly good conversations. They are called trolls. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Bob Marley, Acey40Deuce, RaiderLifer and the countless others are completely right about you!
……….
Give it up, Acey. Jerry doesn’t write like a retard. You do. That’s the giveaway.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Sapp gave it his all every game.his “all” just wasn’t what it used to be.Sapp is also the reason RRs switch to the 3-4 didn’t work.he couldn’t play end.but at least he didn’t pull a woodson or a scumbag moss and quit.you at least have to give him credit for that.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Warren Sapp leaving has alot to do with Lane Kiffin in my mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lane went to Sapp and said that things have to change around here and hes starting with him. Didn’t Lane want to get younger anyways? I remember talk about Lane wanting to get rid of players that were older than him so he could have a sense of more power on the team. Along with that, our defense sucks and it has to change as a whole. The attitude, the talent, everything. If that starts with Sapp then so be it. I appreciate the contributions but he was also getting paid pretty good to be here.
This defense has to stop being built from the roof down and it needs to start from the ground up. I believe Lane Kiffin is going to make that happen, even if it gets him fired. He understands how an offense should be built and did a great job hiring Tom Cable to make that happen. Now its time to find the right coaches to make it happen on defense as well as the players. We need that Carlisle, Newberry impact on that defensive line. We need guys who can be effective on everydown. We need guys with versatility. We can’t keep signing one dimensional players who can only stop the run or only rush the passer.
We literally have to go for a guy who can get 70 Tackles and 6 sacks in a season and the retirement of Sapp is just a start. Not only does it free us of our obligation but it creates room for more players and it gives us a ton of money to work with. We need to build this defensive line in order for the rest of the defense to be successful. Even if Rob Ryan stays, its imperative that we get this done. Once we solidify that defensive line with real players, even with our current scheme, we would be alot better. Sapp…its been a real pleasure but you hurt us in the Superbowl and you continued to hurt us for the last 4 years as well. You had some decent plays but it wasn’t enough to carry this defense as a winner. Good luck.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
calling all doctors,calling all doctors, there’s an emergency requiring your attention in San Diego, or Denver, or Kansas City, or New England….go please, go, those other cities teams needs you…..
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Sapp never took a play off in his entire career. why do you think he is retiring? Because he has too much pride in his game. he knows he isnt what he used to be and knows that for him to collect another years paycheck would put him in the over-the-hill-gonna-collect- a-free-paycheck club. Im just curious, what are his stats for the last 2 years? anybody? Do u know Dr?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Acey -
I wouldn’t bother arguing with people like Dr Huzienga although it doesn’t seem like much of an argument. There is no reasoning with a person like that. They just want to start sh!t. Like someone said earlier, the word is Troll. Huff24 on the other hand is a cool guy if you give him a chance.
What up to all of my Nation brothers and sisters!
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
On Jan 10 1063 the Raiders and Al Davis came to agreement on a 3 year contract at $20,000 per annum. Head Coach and General Manager.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Huff i cant agree with you more. But u have to admit that Sapp did play with everything he had and was NOT a check collector.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Now that is calling the kettle black Dr H. You are accusing me of the very thing that YOU DO! Talk about delusional. Wow.
Sorry RDogg I couldn’t resist poking my stick at the troll one last time…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I don’t know who the good Doctor is, but he’s been holding his own, and then some in here today. IMHO
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Kiffin talked about our first 2 picks needing to be great picks that could come right in and start. I don’t see that happenning with a LT, WR, or Safety. We will likely go defense with the 1st rounder (Dorsey, Ellis, or Long), and OL (Center?) with the 2nd rounder.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
RaiderDogg - I appreciate the comment. Thank you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Huff24 says:
“I remember talk about Lane wanting to get rid of players that were older than him so he could have a sense of more power on the team”
Are you sure you want to use Nancy Gay as your source? Just checking…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
RaiderHaterHater - I agree with you. I just don’t think that 35% of the plays at 6.8 million is enough to justify it. I’m not mad that we signed Sapp, I thought it was great. Just like Sapp, I’m ready to move on to better things. Sapp leaving and me watching him. I’d say its been fun but it really hasn’t.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
No worries Huff24. I think Acey is a good guy too, just a little abrasive. How boring would this blog be if we all agreed on everything?
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Alyssa Milano is advertising Raider Gear for us. SCORE!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
http://oaklandraiders.stores.yahoo.net/category-womens-touch.html
Alyssa Milano
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Good bye and good luck my friend! You will be missed! Thank you for all your football!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I found this site from Pft, and all you guys talk about is Davis.
The Dr. and some Marley dude need to have a internet slobbering fest.
I was hoping to hear better comments about Sapp,enuff said about your hatred for the man.
Later losers.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Alyssa Milano and AD make a great pair, they both peaked in the 1980s.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“I don’t know who the good Doctor is, but he’s been holding his own, and then some in here today. IMHO”
How is resorting to childish sexual deviancy “holding his own” as you put it? All he has done is resort to internet tough guy tactics and continues to argue with me about something that I am not even talking about! I called him out as who he really is and he starts up some argument about Al Davis. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. He just got mad because I exposed his fraud. Holding his own right? Wow KoolKell, and here I though you were an OG.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Acey - Well…I don’t know if Nancy Gay is right or not but look at the roster. Sapp is 35 and retiring.
Barry Sims - 33
Tim Dwight - 32
Jeremy Newberry - 31
Shane Lechler - 31
Cooper Carlisle - 30
Everyone else is below 30. Thats a pretty young team.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Dakota - Yeah but Alyssa Milano looks good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Brownie - What were you expecting to find? Fairies dancing and candlelight dinners? Sheeesh!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
i personally like Scottish Raiders idea about drafting Laurinaitis in the 1st,if C.Long& Dorsey are gone.but leave Morrison in the middle and let Burgess play as our modern day Hendricks;DL-Richardson,Sands,Kelly:LB-Howard,Morrison,Luarinaitis,Burgess.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
No your right it doesnt justify the pay and with the production ( sackage slip ) he probably felt it wasnt justified as well. Therefore time to retire. It just irks me that the Dr. said Sapp was collecting paychecks. It was definately time for Sapp to move on and he knew it. He was honest with himself and it takes a man to do that….(Schweigert still thinks he should start.) I enjoyed watching sapp jawing all the time. He was enjoying the game the way it was meant to be played. He still had 50 tackles this year playing 35 % of the time. that equates to 140 tackles and 6 sacks full time…
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
dakota-looks good
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Huff24
The only reason I said that is because Nancy Gay was the one who said that initially. Remember she ran a column that said Kiffin was going to cut Sapp and others because they were older than Kiffin. We saw how that panned out. She isn’t the most reliable journalist to say the least.
I do agree that we need to get younger in a some areas. But we still need some of that savvy veteran leadership. None of those guys on your list inspire that kind of feeling for me though. Maybe Dwight or Newberry would but not like a Rod Woodson or even a Warren Sapp.