Sapp makes it official
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, January 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Defensive tackle Warren Sapp confided to a few reporters following the season finale against the San Diego Chargers that he was going to retire but wanted to hold off until he spoke with Al Davis.
Having had his conversation, Sapp confirmed to Bay Area News Group Raiders beat writer Steve Corkran Thursday that he is indeed retiring.
Sapp, 35, finished with just two sacks in 2007 but in many games looked as quick and active as ever.
Was Sapp a factor in the NFL’s 31st-ranked run defense? As a tackle in the middle of the line, sure. But Sapp’s main job was never as a hold-the-point-of-attack player, waiting for linebackers to clean up. He was paid to shoot gaps and disrupt offensive line play, and Oakland’s soft middle _ particularly mammoth tackle Terdell Sands _ in essence mitigated what could have been a weapon.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
First!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Thanks Warren. You were an awesome tackle…hope to see and hear more of you as an analyst…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Too bad i wish we could have kept him and get Haynesworth or dorsey that would have been great but cheers to Sapp fo rdoing his thing great locker room prescence and teammate
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Honestly…somebody needs to answer this question.
If Rob Ryan goes to the Jets, does anybody really see Rob Ryan changing that defense to a 4-3 Man to Man Defensive Scheme?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Thanks Warren Sapp. Sorry for making your life miserable the last 4 years.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Were going to miss you Warren! Going to games was made much more fun by watching him dance and have a great time during timeouts.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Did you guys see when Johnnie lee muffed that punt return Sapp came and counseled him I wonder what he said
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Thanks Terdell Sands for being a lump of cole and not allowing Warren Sapp to get to the QB. I look forward to you ruining the next great tackle we bring in.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Anthos - Sapp told Higgins that he doesn’t have to feel bad about the punt fumbles anymore because Sapp won’t be there to kick him in the head any longer.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Well Huff, We’ll see. I take it the Jets run a 3-4.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Warren was a beast, and a fine leader. He will be missed, and I really wish we could have played better when he was still around.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
sapp is a great leader and motivator, he will be missed, i just hope morrison and nnamdi can fill that void of leader and motivational guy
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
KoolKell - Yes. The Jets run the 3-4. Rob Ryan would be happy to go to a team with his system already in place and waiting for him. I don’t think Rob Ryan would jump to a team with a 3-4 and change it to the 4-3 man to man meaning that system he currently runs isn’t his choice. Someone above is holding all the cards.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I hope Sapp lands a job somewhere as an analyst…he would very much be like Barkley is for TNT, and would be a refreshing change from the Tom Jacksons and Sean Salisburys of the sports world.
As much he was a locker room presence and leader, we really needed that run stuffer, and unless Sands all of a sudden becomes a stud, we’ll need Sapp replaced. Let the speculation begin, but since Dorsey will likely be gone by the time it’s our turn, it would be nice to draft Sedrick Ellis. Maybe then we could spend some money and sign Haynesworth…?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I’d like to see the Raiders replace him with a grown man, and not a rookie. They need a proven vet, and not another square one rookie. Particularily on the line of scrimmage, where men play not kids.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Big deal. Sapp did nothing but talk for 4 years. Tampa got rid of him for a reason and Davis wasn’t smart enough to realize it. Here’s to hoping Ryan’s next and that Kiffin’s in the process of bringing in a DC who will build us a real defense for a change.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Now that Corkran continues to get cred with releasing the Sapp retirement, I’m curious if Steward’s story 3 days ago on Ryan being canned / released will come to fruition…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Sapp has been here for most of our 5 year dark age. He’s a bastion of our culture of losing. He epitomizes everything bad about us, loud, tough talking with piss pore play. The way I see it is, him leaving is a celebratory move for us en route to ridding this franchise of it’s diseased, all talk, no action, mind set. Good riddance. Hope Mr. Mullet is behind you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
DesertRaider,
Of course it will. These news organizations aren’t in the business of making themselves look silly, Regardless of what the myopics say.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
raiderwill1980 Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
sapp is a great leader and motivator,
…….
He was, IN TAMPA.
Here, he was a mouth. A leader must be judged by their results. I agree, he was a leader, a leader of all talk, no action loud mouths who dogged it Sunday after Sunday, and collected checks from their enabler, “Mr. Davis”.
He’s motivated me by retiring, that’s for sure. One more necessary step to building a winning attitude in this franchise, again. Camp Wuss is over. You hear that, everyone else on our D? If you’re not ready to practice hard and commit to winning, and were content with showing up and collecting your checks, in “Mr. Davis”’s veteran oasis, follow Warren right out the door.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Just some observations from the lido deck:
Coach Sean Says:
“Sapp got the rest of the defense to belly ache about how they’re built for the 4-3 so that’s what they should run, and Ryan caved.”
You couldn’t possibly know this as fact therefore you are purely speculating, just like most journalists do. Don’t speak on things as fact when you are speculating. It is very misleading, even though it may support your argument.
Dr. Huzeinga = MaddenRaider for those that haven’t figured that out.
Just so the rest of you know if you don’t already, all 3 Super Bowls that the Raiders won, the defense was a 3-4 scheme. Look it up.
For all of those posters fronting under new names to try and back up your tired argument under another name, you may consider moving on to another blog. No matter how many names you post under, if you post the same nonsense you will get the same result.
Sorry for the cut and paste early on STR
Lakers SUCK!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
With Sapp retiring, do we get all the cap room back or are there still penalties? He was couting 6.8 against the cap. Do we get that all back?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I’m afraid that if Haynesworth gets the pay day he’s looking for he’ll stop performing like he did this past year.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I respectfully take exception to your assessment on Sapp’s time here, Dr. Huzeinga. Sapp produced 19.5 sacks in the four years he was here…I don’t think you’ll find another D-lineman on the team (besides Burgess, of course) that can claim numbers like that…most importantly, of course, was the leadership that he clearly provided in the locker room…
BTW…”Huzeinga” spells his name H-U-I-Z-E-N-G-A. (I’m assuming that you’re using Dr. Rob Huizenga, author of “You’re Okay, it’s Just a Bruise” as your blog name).
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Acey - You do realize that you can have more than 1 person who feel that same way about Al Davis don’t you? Why does anybody with a similiar thought have to be the same person to co-exist? Is it that hard to believe? Are you BlackHolePriest or RaiderDell? You sound like them so you must be them right? Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
KoolKell -
I am really suprised that you pulled the “1st” thing. Man you are bigger than that
I just received a copy of Dolemite on dvd through netflix, to upgrade my library. Thanks for reminding me…
Sapp thanks for the memories and occasional laugh. You will be missed. Now go get your job from Jamie Dukes.
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
27th
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Acey - Its not running the 3-4 or the 4-3 that is the arguement. Its the rushing 3 or 4 people while playing man to man consistently that is retarded. We have never blitz enough for either the 3-4 or the 4-3. Thats a fact. We’ve always been known to play man to man throughout the years. These are consistent patterns.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Also, Sapp bailing like this is all the more reason to believe that the Count of Monte Kiffo is coming! Too f’n awesome, if it actually happens. Al would run them out in a few years’ time, but the scheme and players Monte brings in would get us much improved D for about 5 years. Kiffin builds his system on offense and when he inevitably gets ran out for Knapp (Davis’ next Norv), we’ll have decent offense and defense that can keep us in the hunt, and that Al probably wouldn’t be able to dismantle before we get some real success out of it.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell…I hear you…I’m just curious as to why it’s taking so long for the club to confirm…what do they gain by delaying…?
BTW, KooKell…Tower of Power is playing Friday through Sunday here in Vegas, at the Orleans…I just figured an old skooler like you might want to know…I remember “What is Hip?” blaring from the parking lots before the game back in the day…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
AceyDeucy,
Like I said they went 3-4 becuase of the unparralled talents of Ted Hendricks. Who was there for all three I believe. They were 4-3 pre Hendricks, and 4-3 post Hendricks.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I never liked Sapp, he was a weekly reminder of the 2003 SB loss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Dr. Huzeinga - I would love to get Monte Kiffin but I’m not sure if thats reality. You have to wonder why the Bucs haven’t signed him to a contract extension however. What do you think of Jim Mora Jr.? He had ties with Greg Knapp and Tom Cable with the 49ers and Falcons. I was wondering what kind of defense he runs. I know he runs the 4-3 but I’m not sure on which scheme he employs. Do you have any idea on that?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I blame Keith Millard and his boss, Rob Ryan. The Sapp/Sands combo never worked. Sapp couldn’t create enough pressure and Sands was left outnumbered. The four man rush depends on creating double-teams, otherwise the five Olinemen will always outmuscle the four Dlinemen. The 2007 ‘lightweight’ Sapp didn’t have the power to beat the opposing OG, the other Guard and the Center could therefore focus on attacking Sands. It wasn’t all Sands’ fault. Simple maths.
Goodbye, Warren and thanks for the memories. First ballot Hof, one of the very great DTs. We will miss you but we can make good use of the extra $6.8m.
Keith Millard and Rob Ryan, bye bye losers.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I watched Mizzou beat the Razorbacks tuesday in the Cotton Bowl. McFadden was the worst RB on the field, I don’t see what all the hype is about.
Tony Temple was the man for the Tigers, after he pulled a hamstring in the 3Rd Qt he went back in the game and ran for 40 yd on one play. Temple set a cottonbowl record 4 TD, 280yd
DMac had such a bad showing that he might stay in school. 21 touches for 105yd.
Fred Jones of the Razorbacks looks like he might be a better fit than DMac in the Raiders scheme.
Jones ran 10 time for 40yd and looke good running back kick offs.
DMac looked like the 3rd best back on the field.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Huff24 Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
“Acey - You do realize that you can have more than 1 person who feel that same way about Al Davis don’t you? Why does anybody with a similiar thought have to be the same person to co-exist? Is it that hard to believe? Are you BlackHolePriest or RaiderDell? You sound like them so you must be them right? Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.”
I usually don’t bother responding to nonsense but you in particular Huff24 need a reality check.
I am not a fool. Apparently you are. These people are posting the exact same thing under different names. Not similar, exact. I am not making an argument either Lame A$$, I am simply stating what I believe to be true. Isn’t that what you do? Get a grip bro contrary to your belief you are not the know it all, stat boy that you think you are. It doesn’t take brains to type someone’s name into google, cut and paste their bio and say you did some research. Whats wrong did I contradict your “theory” about the 3-4 with facts and not speculation? Did I not agree with you? Boo effing hoo!
I am BHP, Bob Marley, Raider Dell, STR, RaiderDogg, Terrapin, Raider Raul, Raiders Rain, SNB666 and anyone else with half of a brain.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
MaddenRaider….
Hey dude, can you get any more pathetic???….
Notice on the first post, he uses the bump and *chase* term and then in the second post under the ”Dr. Huizenga” name he uses the bump and *out* ran term, within the same frame.
Coincidence?…I don´t think so.
MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Rather Rob Ryan came here to run Mr. Davis’s defense or, not, it’s what he did. The bump and *chase*, no blitzing, not much change since Breshnehan.
Dr. Huzeinga Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
So, you’re right. Maybe Al Davis doesn’t believe in the bump and *out*ran, 11 on 11 defense. And, maybe you’re not a regular here pretending to be a lay newcomer?
And the reason I noticed it´s because I was gonna comment to him that the bump and *chase* term was actually very funny. Later on, I started reading ”Dr. Huzienga´s” posts and saw the bump and *out* ran comment and realized it´s one and the same guy.
Pathetic.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Fat Daddy,
Your comment ranks up there with the dumbest comments I have seen on this blog. One game does not make a man…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Terrapin - I respect your posts so I’m not trying to attack you but prove to me that we haven’t run the same defense over the years. At least give me some examples or videos or whatever. Maybe we’re all misinformed in some way but if we are, find that facts that support your arguement. They’re always required of everyone else. This is the way I have seen it from my perspective over the years from just watching the Raiders, reading up on everything, seeing prior quotes from players and personnel. Is there anything you can show me thats different?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Just in case some of you dumbazzes missed it:
Terrapin Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Thanks Aces..people same say of the dumbest, most uninformed sht imaginable like we alway ran the same defense and we never blitz b/c Al Davis is opposed to it. Straight up dumb sht. And eff it if you all are offended cause it was dumb of you to type it. Smartin’ up next time. Or at least acknowledge you were wrong and move on. Be a Man or Wo-Man.
Look at any old Raider footage and you’ll quickly feel like a dumbass!
Terrapin Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
We were one of the 1st teams to implement the 3-4 scheme, blitzing like crazy from my memories!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Actually, I believe Rob Ryan tried running a 3-4 defense here in Oakland his first year DC, as that is what he is comfortable with. But we didn’t have the right type of LB’s to pull it off, so he switched to a 4-3. So going to the Jets and running a 3-4 wouldn’t be much of a stretch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Ace is right, there’s only one person on the planet that criticizes Al’s style of ownership, and they post under thousands of different names….
Notice how these guys never respond to the points, they only play 007 with the identities. That, and “prove it”, their last leg of defense. OJ Simpson still challenges people to prove he killed Nicole. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
But, you know, defending Al Davis is hard these days. So I don’t blame these guys buy using the identity game as a red herring to avoid debate. They don’t have much else to fall back on. Oh, well, they could bring up Al’s success 30 years ago…
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
KoolKell-
but we did win all 3 with the 3-4. Thats all I was saying.
DesertRaider24 -
TOP is from Oakland, bringing that Eastbay Grease baby! You should go check them out. Good grooves with one helluva horn section.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Dr
You are creating conjecture regarding my post. I never said anything about or did I once defend Al Davis. I simply stated that you (MaddenRaider) post the EXACT same crap under many names. If you are going to do that maybe you should at least mix it up a little so us regulars have a more difficult time figuring out who you really are. Here’s another tip: When posing as someone you might want to spell their name correctly IDIOT!
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Bob did it again! You are the man Bob!
No matter how many names you use MaddenRaider you will always get Marley’d in the end!
That made my day Bob, just like your music.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Acey - Your current arguement proved absolutely nothing to me. Your mad because someone disagreed with you I guess but you’re guilty for disagreeing with someone else. Everyone on here is posting what they believe or how they see it, so why do you attack them when they do and say they are wrong? You’re telling me you NEVER post the exact same thing as someone else? You were able to name all of the people that post the exact same things as you but you’re mad? You threw yourself into the fire on that one, not me.
I don’t really care if you agree with me or not, that wasn’t the issue. I was just curious as to why you had to give people sh!t for having similiar feelings and you had to go off on a tantrum. Are you feeling guilty or something?
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Bob Marley, the only thing missing from your post was the soundtrack from Pink Panther…
Oops, I think MaddenRaider said that, too.
Anyway, while Marley plays Where’s Waldo, I’m just going to say that it’s a good day considering Sapp’s retired. He was all talk. Sure, some decent stats, but at the most, that would just make him a decent player, NOT a leader. If he wants to take responsibility for being the leader of a defense that couldn’t stop the run if the opponent team was running toward the wrong goal, then give him the credit. All the more reason to be glad he’s gone.
Sapp sucks. Good riddance. Hopefully, the low rent Ryan is next.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
The Jets do run a 3-4 scheme. Thier run defense is horrible. And thats why most mocks had them drafting Long. If Ryan goes their it’ll be interesting to see if he can improve it cause we stunk at run d for years now.
Miami runs a 3-4 too and thats why I think most mocks have it wrong with Miami chosing Dorsey. They are just as likely if not more to take Long. Dorsey operates in a 4-3 I believe. Tuna ran a 3-4 in Dallas. Long is all you look for a #1 pick expect raw speed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Mike Martz for D-coordinator! Couldn’t be worse than Ryan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Fat Daddy, I think McFadden is special but he is a bit of a playground bully. Brilliant against the lesser teams but doesn’t always perform against the better defenses. The real question is whether the NFL will bring out the best in him or simply expose the fragility you saw last night?
Listening to Kiff, I think he views RBs as tools of the process, rather than star athletes. Fargas is the model - brave, disciplined, uncomplicated and ever willing.
Perhaps we should take another willing lab rat in lower rounds, like Chauncey Washington from USC or Andre Brown from NC State. The McFadden of last night seems very poor value for a top 5 pick.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I’ve got things to do, I’ll catch up later. Peace.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
MaddenRaider says:
December 29th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Actually, that’s just it. He designed the team colors and made up the slogans. He also signed quarterbacks with not much more skill than throwing a ball deep, and receivers and defensive backs that can only run fast. Ron Wolf did everything else.
So, without Al Davis, all we will need is an owner/gm who’ll sign braindead quarterbacks with strong arms, and speedy receivers that couldn’t catch balls if their lives depended on it.
Uniforms, check.
Slogans, check.
We’re good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Huff24 -
Like I said before I was not stating an argument to begin with, just stating facts as I see them. Maybe you should re-read Bob’s post #37, maybe Bob explained it better than myself. You resorted to calling me Lame which pissed me off, considering you obviously didn’t understand what I was talking about. Maybe if you used logic and reason instead of childishly calling me names we could have a civilized discussion.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Better this way. Would have been unpleasant to fire him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Acey–I hear you…I grew up in Alameda and Hayward during the ’70s and ’80s…I have seen them live, and yes –it’s all about their horn section. I think Emil Castillo and Francis Rocco Prestia are still around too (the tenor sax player and bassist, respectively).
Man, it’s only Jan. 3, and there is already so much hate and discontent on the blog! LOL Thank God I’m a baseball playa!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Best of Luck Warren. The quotes wont be the same without you. Im sure we will see him interviewing people on the sideline real soon.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Scottish,
If Miami takes Dorsey and the Rams take Chris Long and we have the #3 pick who do we take? Jake Long? Ellis (3rd best d-lineman in the draft #3 overall)? LLarantigulitsisis or whatever that LB’s name is? Who do we take if not McFadden at #3 or #4?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Acey, I didn’t mean to get you worked up, whoever I am :). You’re really angry, now. This is supposed to be fun, so now I feel bad.
I just don’t understand for the life of me why you guys are so concerned about posters’ identities. Almost everyone here is anonymous. Almost everyone here has posted under different names, and I’m sure Jerry or a moderator could confirm that.
Why not just debate the points? Is it because you know Al Davis is a lousy gm? I mean, if I were on here saying Michael Jordan was a lousy basketball player, or Tiger Woods was a lousy golfer, you guys could just argue against that with actual, tangible points. But I say Al Davis is a lousy gm, and since there is no argument against that point, you guys play this game of figuring out who the person is and making the debate about them.
This is an Oakland Raiders blog. The actual blogger himself is a documented Davis critic. Yet, you guys just go into these emotional fits whenever a commenter comes in and speaks their mind about Davis, as if it’s your house. I’d get over yourselves, if I were you. Because until Al Davis steps aside and lets’ real football people build a competitive team, you’re going to have a tough time trying to make the identities of all his critics that come in here.
Now cheer up.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Dr Hotair
Sapp had 10 sacks in 2006 which LEAD all dt’s in the league. Did you read that Dr H? He LEAD all dt’s in the league. To be a leader you must lead. Put your personal feelings about Sapp aside, your emotions are causing you to ignore facts!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Huff24
Dude, if Ryan goes to the Jets he´s gonna be Mangini´s support guy, that Defense will always be Mangini´s wether it´s good or bad, it´s his bread and butter.
Mangini won´t bring Ryan in to ”implement” nothing, if anyone out there has any hope of emulating Belichick´s success as a tactician is his own prized pupil, Eric Mangini.
My guess is Mangini will feel very comfortable with Rob Ryan overseeing the day to day operations on D that Mangini may not be able to attend as a HC. But as far as calling the shots, it´s gonna be Mangini all the way.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Oh and Scottish…please don’t say trade down, Al never trades down from a top draft position.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
If the rumor is true about Monte Kiffin coming the Raiders,I think he’ll play another season.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
# Al Davis =? Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
MaddenRaider says:
December 29th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Actually, that’s just it. He designed the team colors and made up the slogans. He also signed quarterbacks with not much more skill than throwing a ball deep, and receivers and defensive backs that can only run fast. Ron Wolf did everything else.
So, without Al Davis, all we will need is an owner/gm who’ll sign braindead quarterbacks with strong arms, and speedy receivers that couldn’t catch balls if their lives depended on it.
Uniforms, check.
Slogans, check.
We’re good.
………
Hey, great post ^^^.
I like this guy.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sometimes Hukk24 aka WoOdSoN21 you do get a bit tiresome. Complain all you will about Sapp et al being imperfect beings. My God young man, where do you get off… Warren did his best, he was a professional and he helped out underlings. His sound bites are indeed Barkleyesque with intelligence, insight and innuendo.
The Raiders never heard of a 3-4 until their second Super Bowl Victory. Dave Rowe an anchor of that I believe. To admonish Al for the coordinator’s woes is childish. Think Hendricks never blitzed? Find your own film.
Thanks Warren, it’s been a pleasure
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Acey, you’re right. I agree. Sapp was a leader. He was a leader of one of the worst defenses in the modern day league. Forgive me for equating the concept of being a “leader” with the results of “winning”. I should have known better, dealing with an Al Davis fan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I support fat daddy. I’m sorry you are so short sighted dakota. McFadden lacked, well everything in that game. He showed some burst, but nothing else. If you can’t get up for a bowl game, you’ve got nothing for the NFL. Additionally, Fred Jones has out done him all year, not just in this one game. Either way, they are both too small for our scheme. You choose to call a guy’s comments dumb for posting his opinion? I feel sorry for you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
OOOOO, that was a good one Dr. H! Sorry Acey, but that one was pretty good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Dakota,
I will stick to my guns and suggest that we take James Laurinaitis at 3 or 4, if Dorsey and Chris Long are gone.
Darren McFadden is potentially brilliant but just too risky - and RB is a position of strength for us.
Jake Long is no Joe Thomas. He is great in a run-offense but he is very average in pass protection. We need OTs who can give JR time. Jake reminds me too much of Robert Gallery.
James Laurinaitis is a proven performer. He has the strength, the smarts and the engine. He is a warrior and a leader. Morrison is not an MLB. He is a strongside LB. I just think a trio of Howard, Laurinatis and Morrison will be massive.
I don’t think trading down will be an option. There aren’t enough stars to prompt teams to trade up. Therefore, Laurinaitis looks the best combination of big talent and big need in the draft.
If the Pats want him, he should be good enough for us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Sapp & Monte really didnt have a good relationshp
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Short sighted? He wants to call McFadden a bust because he ran for 100 yards in a bowl game and you call me short sighted? I fel sorry for you dumb@ss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I loved warren but this is the best off-season move! We need a DT that can plug holes in the running lanes. We need to get haynesworth and mold terdell sands into that run-stuffer that ryan invisioned. We also need to get Ryan outta here. I love Ryan but we need a DC that will use line-backer blitz. With the speed of our line-backers, there is no reason why Howard and Morrision shouldn’t have 10 sacks between the two of them.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
thanks warren you are a true raider and your leadership and intensity will be missed in the locker room but hopefully you rubbed off on morrison and thomas — I think you did! but sands not so much.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Dr Hotair aka MaddenRaider aka whoever you decide to be today -
Your hatred for Al Davis is once again clouding your vision. I never once said a damn thing about Al Davis. You are the one who keeps bringing him up as if I was arguing with you about him. Get a clue. BTW I am sitting here cracking up, the furthest thing from being angry. Life is too short to let someone such as yourself make me angry. Especially on a blog.
I really enjoy exposing frauds such as yourself for who they really are and it makes it even more enjoyable and sweet when someone (Bob) backs up my point with cold hard facts. You got Marley’d! lol
If I were to post under a different name I would at least be creative and say different things. I wouldn’t agree with myself and pat myself on the back. You make it so obvious man. I do believe that Huff24 only posts as Huff24 and that deserves my respect. We may not always agree but at least he has the balls to stick to one name whether people agree with him or not. You should consider doing the same.
Dakota -
Lakers suck. Ha got you with that one!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
So let me ask you guys something. Let’s say Bellichick quits and becomes the Raiders DC and wants to run his version of the 3-4 here. Who’s the NT in that defense??? Sands?? Since Miami is gonna run Sabans hybrid 3/4 4/3 and it’s all but guaranteed they’ll take Dorsey cause he’s a perfect fit for their scheme, don’t say Dorsey. And very athletic 340 pounders who can constantly command double teams don’t just fall out the sky.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Dr Huz, there was a great book written some years back called ‘Shibumi’. In it an elderly gentleman around the time of V-Day was explaining to a young man that honor had become a dead rite. The world was now to be ruled by winning and losing only. And all the whoredom of the Yankees and Pewkriots are then celebrated
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I think Warren will be a great analyst somewhere; Charles Barkley is a good comparison.
Dakota, that one game making a man thing, I’m not so sure. I tuned into the Sugar Bowl last year to watch Brady Quinn and came away wondering who was the big fella destroying the Irish (your boys, right? Sorry) while Brady was lobbing INTs and getting sacked. Not saying McFadden is an automatic bust, but I tuned into a little of that game on Tuesday, because everyone on here has been talking about him. I’d never really seen him play before, and I have to say I came away unimpressed.
Although, they didn’t have a coach for that game, did they? Is Bernard running things there yet?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Does anyone know what being “Marley’d” means? These goofballs, the same ones all butt hurt about my Davis comments, keep saying that. This Marley cat doesn’t seem like s’t, to me. Seems like another Davis shill who spends more time trying to discredit people who discuss how lousy Davis is than actually refuting them. Oh, sure, he’ll refute them with high road quotes from Madden…Like Madden is going to bash him in public. Again, though, what do you expect? Formal complimentary quotes from former employees, success decades ago, and attacking the messenger. The formula for defending the indefensible, Al bonehead Davis.
Marley, put down the bong and step to daddy, biiaatch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Maryland, trust me, Sands will be 10x more effective without Sapp than he was this year. They were like the world’s worse blind date, absolutely no chemistry.
Every Bill needs a Monica, not a Hilary!!
Who’s winning in Iowa? Wherever Iowa is….
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Scottish, if we pick Laurinittissitsy, or whatever his name is, I think we better let the clock run out on our pick a few times and pick him #6 if we can’t trade down. That would be a major reach at #3.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Haynesworth is a bust that only performed beyond expectations in a CONTRACT YEAR. Once he gets paid he will lack the motivation just like Terdell Sands and Shaun Alexander…maybe even LJ. Let’s see how he does next year since he got injured.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
First, Bob, give your mini Me (Acey) a nose rub, and put him to bed. We don’t want him and his midget arguments to get stepped on….
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Copy n’ Paste, got a problem?
Injuries limited the number of defenive lineman Madden had available so he used Hendricks as a stand-up defensive end, the positon Hendricks played in college. At season’s end the Raiders defense was among the NFL’s top units, despie injuries to a few key defensive linemen. They led the NFL in interceptions and they ranked 2nd in the NFL in sacks, 7th in fewest points allowed, and were 3rd in total defense (which is fewest yards allowed).
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
We need big bodies that can play. the Raiders have drafted the least interior linemen of any tem over the past few years. Our offensive and defensive lines are both very very weak. We keep drafting safeties in the first round. Safety is one of the few positions you can get a good one in free agency. We need a DT or LT that can play dammit. We need a few really.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Dakota,
If he has a solid combine, Laurinaitis will go top 4. He is the best LB prospect since A J Hawk and just what we need….and there aren’t too many FA options at MLB.
This is looking a strange draft. Relatively few nailed-down stars but quite a lot of depth. The complete opposite of last year. 2007 had some real HoF prospects (Russell, Johnson, Thomas, Peterson, etc.) but there was precious little talent left after Round 2. 2008 looks much deeper and is ideal for the sensible shopper.
Laurinaitis is Alameda bound.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Cuzin Vinnie…that sounds a lot like Justin Fargas too…I’m just sayin’, let’s pick McFadden. McFadden. McFadden!!!!! I love McFadden!!!!!!
Second down and six to go for the Raiders at the Broncos’ 45. Russell comes under center, checks the coverage. Here’s the snap, handoff McFadden right side, cuts back to the inside, oh what a move, he’s at the 40, 30, 20, 10, 5……TOUCHDOWN RAAAAAAAIIIIDERS!
That’s all I want for Christmas!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Acey is walking funny. He must have been Marley’d again.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Dr -
Now you are just playing dumb. Or maybe you’re not playing. You know damn well what getting “Marley’d” means. It’s the VERY reason you had to change to your name.
As far as “mini me” goes I am just over 6′4″ and I weigh in at 262 lbs. Hardly mini. Shows how much you know. I do respect Bob for many things but my wife is the one that gets all my attention. Your bathouse comment was childish and wrong. How did that comment back up your argument? You are grasping at straws now MaddenRaider.
BTW you might think about not calling people “shills”. That’s another clue as to who you really are.
Still laughing my a$$ over here.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Another one, for the youngsters
Hendricks was likely at his best over nine seasons with the Raiders. The Raiders gave him the freedom to roam the line, blitz on impulse, read the play and react. Opposing players had great difficulty keying on him. He could disrupt the other team’s offense like few others. His 6′7″ frame and long arms made him hard to pass against; it also helped his tackling and reaching the quarterback quicker on blitzes. He sacked opposing passers 42 times while in a Raider uniform and set a Raiders record of 9 sacks in post season games. During Hendricks’ time (1975-83) with the Raiders the great pass rush led by Hendricks, Howie Long, John Matuszak, Pat Toomay, Lyle Alzado and Otis Sistrunk, the Raiders logged 394 team sacks, second only to the Dallas Cowboys during that span (who had 413).
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
“give someone enough rope and they hang themselves”
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Nice post KoolKell.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Anyone here 4′9″ and 350 lbs? We need a NT for the 3-4 everyone here thinks we should install.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
thanks for everything sapp! u deserved the pro bowl last season 10 sacks u still havent lost a step its just time to call it quits thanks for being a raider!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Davis compiled a coaching record of 23-16-3 in three seasons as head coach in Oakland
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
dakota,”You love me”
Thats why i dont want to be drafted by any california teams.
im “quality” bro, in a football sense.
Btw, i havent announced if im coming out, get it
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I’m just sayin’, let’s pick McFadden. McFadden. McFadden!!!!! I love McFadden!!!!!!
“give someone enough rope and they hang themselves”
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I still love you man!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
nice visual Dakota. 4′9″ @ 350lbs would be just as wide as tall, or wide on all sides as they say. No one would get by him!
Lakers still suck.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Once he rejoined the Raiders organization, Davis ruthlessly attempted to gain power within the club. In 1972, while managing general partner Wayne Valley was attending the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Davis drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him near-total control of team operations. Valley sued to overturn the agreement once he returned to the country, but was unsuccessful
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I would like to thank all yooz who use your heads when commenting. It makes Jerry’s blogs a lil more intresting.
For the rest of you idiots, take your lame thinking some where else. Your going to affect our minds with your ignorance.
Also, if the shoe fits, where it!
That said, do we think Tommy Kelley will be able to come back and produce since Sapp is gone? I think our first pick has to a DT, unless we can get Haynesworth.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm
The best NT prospect available is………Terdell Sands.
If Chris Long was on the board, we could try a switch to a 3:4 of Long/Sands/Richardson backed by Howard/Morrison/Kelly/Burgess.
Its not that daft!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Wayne Valley also knew that eventually that was exactly what Davis would do. Davis is a ruthless business man but Valley also knew that at the time he hired Davis that he would turn things around in a short period of time. Valley figured that he would cross that bridge when he got there and ultimately lost his lawsuit with Al. But Valley even said he figured Al Davis would do that but he hired him anyway.
Right KoolKell?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
After failing with three puppet coaches, Davis hired Lane Kiffin in January 2007. Kiffin, protege to offensive master mind Norm Chow, coordinated the offensive juggernaut USC
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hey McFadden doubters…did any of you watch this game? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21941844/
You know, the one where McFadden ran for 206 yards and three tds (and threw for a td) against Dorsey and the #1 LSU Tigers in Baton Rouge and took them down single handedly?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Yeah, I gotta figure they knew who they were hiring.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
‘best’ position, dakota?= lovin ‘man’
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dakota
RE Post 49
It seems like dumb is contagious
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
KoolKell–thanks for the trip “back down memory lane…”(props to Minnie Riperton) I do remember all of those names quite vividly…
let’s face it…we have a lot of work to do to get people to remember the new names (Russell, Fargas, Asomugha, Morrison, Howard, etc…)
Here’s to a successful draft, a good FA signing or two, no holdouts, wins against ALL division opponents, and 6-8 wins next season. Hope we sign a good DC too.
I have my baseball finals this weekend to prepare for…gotta hit the cages…I’m out Raider Nation!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Yeah Fat Daddy, I knew when I hit submit that one was coming right back at me…good catch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
is there a Dr in the house?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Scottish, good call. I like that idea.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Thanks Warren, I know it didn’t work out how we expected but you never quit and deserved a pro bowl nod last year.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
keep the knowledge coming KoolKell
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
R8R_ERN, there is quite a depth to the DT list. We could pick up a very nice prospect in the lower rounds, for example:
B.J. Raji, Boston College Sr, 6-1, 340lbs
Jason Shirley, Fresno State Sr, 6-5, 330lbs
Terrance Taylor, Michigan Jr, 6-0, 310lbs
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’m glad Sapp is no longer playing for us. He talked too much crap, or he didn’t talk enough. He was overweight or underweight. He was great one year (10 sacks) and wasn’t so great the other years. I just think he epitomized all that was rogue and undisciplined about the ‘old Raiders’. Now, with a new attitude from Lane Kiffin, both Sapp and Ryan leaving will help complete the change in culture.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Does anyone else notice as soon as the good Dr aka MaddenRaider left the IQ level in this ongoing discussion has increased? I just thought I would point that out…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Jason Shirley? Surely you must be joking Scottish.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
does that mean dakota also?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Scottish, Chris Long has been my favorite for our first rounder. Who do you suggest we pick up at WR and ST.
Would be nice to grab Berrian in FA.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Hey Acey (sounds like a bathhouse name), seriously, what does “Marley’d” mean? I just don’t get it. Surely it doesn’t mean to own someone in a debate, because he hasn’t done that in his life. If you’d come out from behind his leg, mini me (not buying your large frame, because you just post like you’re small…), you’d realize that. Bringing up formal complimentary quotes from friends of Al’s doesn’t win debates, not against someone who’s pointing out actual things on the field and coupling them with quotes that have come right out of Al Davis’s reeking mouth.
Seriously, why are you so content with being Marley’s bottoms?
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Sapp was one of the few players currently on the team that would have fit in with Alzado, Matuszak, Davis and the other great defensive players of the 60s, 70s and early to mid 80s. Sad to see him go.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Terdell Sands and Finch from the movie Wildcats would be a great comparison, except that Finch actually could make a play when he got paid $20 bucks, unlike Sands and his ridiculous contract.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Jason Shirley is a bad, bad, boy. If he stays out of jail, stays off the beer and focuses on football, he could be a monster DT.
He is a project but a real prospect. His off-field antics will offend the puritans and he will fall to the 6th. But he just might be a great Raider.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
BigMark, Sapp wouldn’t have lasted one day on that old Raider team. Nobody on that old Raider team would have played on the current Raiders for more than one year. Once they saw what was going on, they would have left a dent in their locker and walked right out the door, sadly realizing that a sad, new day has dawned on this once great franchise (Al’s giant f’n ego).
Sapp was way too tolerant of this culture of losing to be compared to those great Raiders that simply did not tolerate losing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
DAMN!lmao! Im getting dumber by the minute!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Acey’s 6 ft tall and weighs over 250? Talk about more bounce to the ounce. Come my way, sweetie. I’ll Marley you…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
“If he stays out of jail, stays off the beer and focuses on football, he could be a monster DT. ”
Scottish, that sounds a lot like Darrell Russell right there. I don’t think we want any part of him, unless he comes with an AA sponsor and a breathelizer-equiped face mask…
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
R8R_ERN, I really like Berrian - he has speed and heart and might appreciate working with a decent QB. Bryant Johnson (Cardinals) is the other top WR but he is a bit less proven than Berrian.
The other one I like is Drew Carter from the Panthers. He should be available and has good size and discipline. He isn’t a burner but could be a go-to option for JR.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
ihate al as much as maddenraider/liberace/al davis/art shells hat/anikinskywalker/als brill cream/dr. huzeinga/ and that “pink panther theme”
Now thats the ticket
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Hey JohnS -
Thanks for the laugh. DR H aka MaddenRaider aka Liberace has lost all credibility on this board and only has childish insults left in his arsonal. Poor bastard.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
“After John Madden resigned as Oakland coach following the 78 season, Walsh, who was then Head Coach at Stanford, was mentioned as a candidate for ther Raider job. After telling friends he was not interested in working for Davis, accepted the San Francisco Head Coaching position.”
Black Knight, Al Davis and his Raiders.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Yeh, Tags, they’re all one person. Only one person on the planet criticizes Al. Got delusions?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
It just seems to me that DMac should have played better in the Cotton Bowl, concidering the fact that he is projected one of the top picks. It was a perfect opportunity to showcase his talent.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
JohnS, the Shirley kid just needs a bit of guidance and some better role models?
Okay, he has gone off the rails, but he did have a sensational game against JR and the LSU offense in 2006. He is a big risk but he could be great value.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
You’re welcome, although it looks like the moderator might taken my snap down…although he left all the bath house cracks up…weird.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
“What we do in life echoes in eternity” Thanks for your loyal service Warren.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I know Berrian’s got good hands and decent size from the game we played against the Bears earlier this year.
What’s the story with his speed? Is he a 4.4 or 4.5 type of guy?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Acey - I can see where you got mad and I understand but I didn’t call you lame. I said, “Come on dude, that arguement is so freakin lame.” I was stating that the arguement is lame and many people use the same excuse for everything. Thats just a perfect example of how people see things differently of course but I promise you I wasn’t calling you names. If anything, I’m the one who usually gets annoyed by the name calling on here and BHP is notorious for it. Of course, when I tried to call him out on it, everybody took his side and ignored that fact so whatever…it probably doesn’t matter much anyways but you have to read it the way that I said it…thats all.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Hey Acey (aka Marley’s groupie, and not the real Marley with talent, but the fool who sits in here like a caveman and desperately tries to defend Al Davis with obviously complimentary, generic quotes from Davis colleagues), where in the hell is YOUR credibility? And, I’ve lost my credibility with who? A bunch of Davis brownies? That’s a credibility I don’t need, my bi-curious Marley jocking door knob. Believe me, I get support from the people in here with brains, that aren’t on some kind of payroll to make Al Davis look good. People who speak honestly and candidly about this team welcome my presence here. People constantly on the defense for a failed owner and a failed philosophy, like your dumb ass, are the only people threatened by me. Deal with that, wuss.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Acey - Right after reading your post about me calling you names, I see you start calling Dr. Huzeinga…Dr. HotAir. So…you’re resulting to the same things you criticized me for? Fukin Hypocrite.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
LOL
# Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Mike Martz for D-coordinator! Couldn’t be worse than Ryan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Berrian is officially a 4.47.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Sapp is gone.
Now maybe we can stop the run.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Is this guy worth it?
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/11/lions-to-trade-shaun-rogers-at-2008-draft/
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Is Acey pissed again? It’s time for his meds, or another trip to the bathhouse to get “Marley’d” (his term). That usually calms him down.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Scottish, if it was a later round pick without a huge cap number, it would be a pretty good risk. Then again, this IS the Raiders. I guess as long as he doesn’t move in with Seabass it would be okay…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Parcells just “marley’d” Cam Cameron. It’s a sign. Another Discharger eating the chocalate rain. Now for the game on Sunday.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Bob Marley - You’re right. Mangini will be the boss and run his defense the way he wants to. What I’m saying is…I believe Rob Ryan intended to run the same exact defense with us. Why would Mangini want to bring a guy over who runs a 4-3 Man to Man scheme? Thats my point. He doesn’t…he wants to hire the “real” Rob Ryan…the one that wanted to run the same 3-4 defense that Mangini runs that I personally believe Al Davis didn’t want him to run. Thats just my opinion but it all adds up to me. I believe Rob Ryan will be allowed to run that defense on his own and run it in a way he would have ran our defense if he was allowed to.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Its a sad day in Oakland …swish is traded and Sapp is retiring…and this dr H. guy thinks Sapp was dogging it on sundays…I didnt read all the posts but i hafta rebuke the insanity of this guy calling Sapp a check collector…honestly if he were just collecting a check then why wouldnt he just collect another years worth? Why wouldnt he just fake an injury and collect his check every week from the sideline? For you to say he was a slacker is just asinine DR….The guy brought it every single down. Was he as good as he once was? No…was he a slacker ? hell no. Sapp was always down field making tackles so im really not sure what games you were watching. He may not have disrupted defenses the way he used to but give the guy some credit for playing hard. HE WILL BE MISSED.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
m Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Sometimes Hukk24 aka WoOdSoN21 you do get a bit tiresome. Complain all you will about Sapp et al being imperfect beings. My God young man, where do you get off… Warren did his best, he was a professional and he helped out underlings. His sound bites are indeed Barkleyesque with intelligence, insight and innuendo.
The Raiders never heard of a 3-4 until their second Super Bowl Victory. Dave Rowe an anchor of that I believe. To admonish Al for the coordinator’s woes is childish. Think Hendricks never blitzed? Find your own film.
Thanks Warren, it’s been a pleasure
(I’m confused…can you tell me what you’re responding too?)
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Huff, you nailed it. But these guys you’re trying to inject an ounce of common sense into don’t want to believe that Al Davis ruins his teams with his meddling.
It’s not just your opinion. It’s documented fact. Don’t let these bozos push you into that corner. They sit there and demand proof from anyone who criticizes Al, but offer no evidence of their own when taking down other figures in the league.
Al’s defensive philosophies and subsequent meddling are common knowledge, documented by so many people it would actually hold up in a courtroom if for some reason it were ever brought up in a lawsuit against him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Huff24 -
You got me. I resorted to childish name calling just as you did. I am man enough to admit my mistakes, unlike many posters here. Here is another quote from me:
“I do believe that Huff24 only posts as Huff24 and that deserves my respect. We may not always agree but at least he has the balls to stick to one name whether people agree with him or not.”
Dr H -
Look internet tough guy I am no longer interested in exchanging insults with such an ignorant person, that relies on sexual deviant comments that are completely inappropriate. I never once defended Al Davis. You are delusional and irrational, too many names to keep up with. No matter your point of view many others including myself would respect your opinion more if you didn’t change your name constantly to back up your own argument. And with that I am done with your ignorance.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Thanks, Scottish.
4.47 is not too bad. I remember being pretty impressed by the guy…he’s a gamer.
If we don’t pay too much for him, he could be a solid fit. If we bring Porter back, it should be for the #2 spot and for #2 money. Curry is an OK #2, but a much better #3.
I really don’t want to see Tim Dwight back next year! Maybe, just maybe we give JLH another year, but he’s already turning into one of Al’s Boyz.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Yeah Jerry, this guy Sapp, unlike some others, brought it. week in and week out. plus, he spoke his mind. The killa didn’t mince words that’s for sure.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Thanks for the effort #99.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Thanks for the video post earlier OakRaider 831
Good stuff
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
# Jerry Mac Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Its a sad day in Oakland …swish is traded and Sapp is retiring…and this dr H. guy thinks Sapp was dogging it on sundays…I didnt read all the posts but i hafta rebuke the insanity of this guy calling Sapp a check collector…honestly if he were just collecting a check then why wouldnt he just collect another years worth? Why wouldnt he just fake an injury and collect his check every week from the sideline? For you to say he was a slacker is just asinine DR….The guy brought it every single down. Was he as good as he once was? No…was he a slacker ? hell no. Sapp was always down field making tackles so im really not sure what games you were watching. He may not have disrupted defenses the way he used to but give the guy some credit for playing hard. HE WILL BE MISSED.
……….
Now, let’s see, do I play the identity game now, and assume that Acey has gotten beaten down so bad today that he’s now resorting to posting as the blogger of this site, himself, knowing Jerry Mac’s screen name is in distinct font and color to demonstrate it’s administrative authenticity?
Nah. I’m not going to play that game. Jus the facts, ma’am.
So, it’s a sad day that the bastion of our piss poor, talk loud but lose on Sunday culture is finally out the door? You do know our record under Sapp’s “leadership”, do you not? Considering that, the fact that some of you dare to mention him along the lines of Lyle and Howie and the Tooz is blasphemous on it’s face.
Sapp will not be missed. It’s our winning ways between ‘00 and ‘02 that are still missed. Sapp came later, and lead us through an era of darkness with his pompous attitude and poor run stopping. Good riddance. I pray to god that the king of mullets is right behind him..
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I really liked Sapp, but it is time to move on, good luck see you on the tube…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I have to agree with the W.Sapp supporters on here. He was a great player and although his numbers slipped this year, he was never short on effort..just maybe he can take Schweigert with him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
You guys are right this Dr Huzienga character is a complete moron
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:36 pm
1959 Al Davis was a coach and recruiter for USC, accussed of recruitment improprities and was fired by incoming USC coach, John McKay.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Dr. Huz, Davis ruins the team with his crappy drafting. Five defensive backs and one kicker?! drafted in the first round in the last eight years. WTF?
Hey Al! Let Lane do it!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The whole run defense can not be pinned on one man. and even Howie slipped his last couple years but it wasnt from lack of trying. The Raiders forced him into retirement.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Your lack of intelligence makes any argument with you futile. Bloggers like yourself ruin perfectly good conversations. They are called trolls. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Bob Marley, Acey40Deuce, RaiderLifer and the countless others are completely right about you!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Sapp supporter here.
anyone else?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
good to know that I am not the only one.
KoolKell - That was a tidbit of info that I didn’t know. Like I said earlier thanks for the knowledge. It reminds me that there are still some people in here that have something insightful to offer.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
1960 Chargers:
Head Coach Sid Gillman
Backfield Coach Al Davis
Defensive line coach Chuck Noll
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Sapp supporter
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
LOL, Acey just called me an “internet tough guy” right after trying to intimidate me by lying to us about his height and weight. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, bozo, and is only matched by your utterly delusional and stupid support of Al Davis. Give it up and let Marley do your fighting.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Moss was a check collector..7 million worth. how can you compare the 2?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
sapp supporter
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
R8R_ERN,Like the move for Rogers if we could get him for a late round pick.Add him and go with Scottish draft idea [J.Laurinaitis] our d will be instantly upgraded and our backers would arguably be the best and fastest in the nfl.We would be able to run blitz better and shoot the gaps to shut down the run.LT and the cutback runners would have a harder time making those cutbacks which are always killing us.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Most of the mock drafts have us taking McFadden.
Please God, make it so.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
# Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Your lack of intelligence makes any argument with you futile. Bloggers like yourself ruin perfectly good conversations. They are called trolls. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Bob Marley, Acey40Deuce, RaiderLifer and the countless others are completely right about you!
……….
Give it up, Acey. Jerry doesn’t write like a retard. You do. That’s the giveaway.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Sapp gave it his all every game.his “all” just wasn’t what it used to be.Sapp is also the reason RRs switch to the 3-4 didn’t work.he couldn’t play end.but at least he didn’t pull a woodson or a scumbag moss and quit.you at least have to give him credit for that.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Warren Sapp leaving has alot to do with Lane Kiffin in my mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lane went to Sapp and said that things have to change around here and hes starting with him. Didn’t Lane want to get younger anyways? I remember talk about Lane wanting to get rid of players that were older than him so he could have a sense of more power on the team. Along with that, our defense sucks and it has to change as a whole. The attitude, the talent, everything. If that starts with Sapp then so be it. I appreciate the contributions but he was also getting paid pretty good to be here.
This defense has to stop being built from the roof down and it needs to start from the ground up. I believe Lane Kiffin is going to make that happen, even if it gets him fired. He understands how an offense should be built and did a great job hiring Tom Cable to make that happen. Now its time to find the right coaches to make it happen on defense as well as the players. We need that Carlisle, Newberry impact on that defensive line. We need guys who can be effective on everydown. We need guys with versatility. We can’t keep signing one dimensional players who can only stop the run or only rush the passer.
We literally have to go for a guy who can get 70 Tackles and 6 sacks in a season and the retirement of Sapp is just a start. Not only does it free us of our obligation but it creates room for more players and it gives us a ton of money to work with. We need to build this defensive line in order for the rest of the defense to be successful. Even if Rob Ryan stays, its imperative that we get this done. Once we solidify that defensive line with real players, even with our current scheme, we would be alot better. Sapp…its been a real pleasure but you hurt us in the Superbowl and you continued to hurt us for the last 4 years as well. You had some decent plays but it wasn’t enough to carry this defense as a winner. Good luck.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
calling all doctors,calling all doctors, there’s an emergency requiring your attention in San Diego, or Denver, or Kansas City, or New England….go please, go, those other cities teams needs you…..
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Sapp never took a play off in his entire career. why do you think he is retiring? Because he has too much pride in his game. he knows he isnt what he used to be and knows that for him to collect another years paycheck would put him in the over-the-hill-gonna-collect- a-free-paycheck club. Im just curious, what are his stats for the last 2 years? anybody? Do u know Dr?
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Acey -
I wouldn’t bother arguing with people like Dr Huzienga although it doesn’t seem like much of an argument. There is no reasoning with a person like that. They just want to start sh!t. Like someone said earlier, the word is Troll. Huff24 on the other hand is a cool guy if you give him a chance.
What up to all of my Nation brothers and sisters!
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
On Jan 10 1063 the Raiders and Al Davis came to agreement on a 3 year contract at $20,000 per annum. Head Coach and General Manager.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Huff i cant agree with you more. But u have to admit that Sapp did play with everything he had and was NOT a check collector.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Now that is calling the kettle black Dr H. You are accusing me of the very thing that YOU DO! Talk about delusional. Wow.
Sorry RDogg I couldn’t resist poking my stick at the troll one last time…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I don’t know who the good Doctor is, but he’s been holding his own, and then some in here today. IMHO
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Kiffin talked about our first 2 picks needing to be great picks that could come right in and start. I don’t see that happenning with a LT, WR, or Safety. We will likely go defense with the 1st rounder (Dorsey, Ellis, or Long), and OL (Center?) with the 2nd rounder.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
RaiderDogg - I appreciate the comment. Thank you.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Huff24 says:
“I remember talk about Lane wanting to get rid of players that were older than him so he could have a sense of more power on the team”
Are you sure you want to use Nancy Gay as your source? Just checking…
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
RaiderHaterHater - I agree with you. I just don’t think that 35% of the plays at 6.8 million is enough to justify it. I’m not mad that we signed Sapp, I thought it was great. Just like Sapp, I’m ready to move on to better things. Sapp leaving and me watching him. I’d say its been fun but it really hasn’t.
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
No worries Huff24. I think Acey is a good guy too, just a little abrasive. How boring would this blog be if we all agreed on everything?
Raiders for Life…I’m In!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Alyssa Milano is advertising Raider Gear for us. SCORE!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
http://oaklandraiders.stores.yahoo.net/category-womens-touch.html
Alyssa Milano
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Good bye and good luck my friend! You will be missed! Thank you for all your football!
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I found this site from Pft, and all you guys talk about is Davis.
The Dr. and some Marley dude need to have a internet slobbering fest.
I was hoping to hear better comments about Sapp,enuff said about your hatred for the man.
Later losers.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Alyssa Milano and AD make a great pair, they both peaked in the 1980s.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“I don’t know who the good Doctor is, but he’s been holding his own, and then some in here today. IMHO”
How is resorting to childish sexual deviancy “holding his own” as you put it? All he has done is resort to internet tough guy tactics and continues to argue with me about something that I am not even talking about! I called him out as who he really is and he starts up some argument about Al Davis. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. He just got mad because I exposed his fraud. Holding his own right? Wow KoolKell, and here I though you were an OG.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Acey - Well…I don’t know if Nancy Gay is right or not but look at the roster. Sapp is 35 and retiring.
Barry Sims - 33
Tim Dwight - 32
Jeremy Newberry - 31
Shane Lechler - 31
Cooper Carlisle - 30
Everyone else is below 30. Thats a pretty young team.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Dakota - Yeah but Alyssa Milano looks good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Brownie - What were you expecting to find? Fairies dancing and candlelight dinners? Sheeesh!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
i personally like Scottish Raiders idea about drafting Laurinaitis in the 1st,if C.Long& Dorsey are gone.but leave Morrison in the middle and let Burgess play as our modern day Hendricks;DL-Richardson,Sands,Kelly:LB-Howard,Morrison,Luarinaitis,Burgess.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
No your right it doesnt justify the pay and with the production ( sackage slip ) he probably felt it wasnt justified as well. Therefore time to retire. It just irks me that the Dr. said Sapp was collecting paychecks. It was definately time for Sapp to move on and he knew it. He was honest with himself and it takes a man to do that….(Schweigert still thinks he should start.) I enjoyed watching sapp jawing all the time. He was enjoying the game the way it was meant to be played. He still had 50 tackles this year playing 35 % of the time. that equates to 140 tackles and 6 sacks full time…
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
dakota-looks good
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Huff24
The only reason I said that is because Nancy Gay was the one who said that initially. Remember she ran a column that said Kiffin was going to cut Sapp and others because they were older than Kiffin. We saw how that panned out. She isn’t the most reliable journalist to say the least.
I do agree that we need to get younger in a some areas. But we still need some of that savvy veteran leadership. None of those guys on your list inspire that kind of feeling for me though. Maybe Dwight or Newberry would but not like a Rod Woodson or even a Warren Sapp.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Huff-it’s called rebuilding
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Huff…..No your right it doesnt justify the pay and with the production ( sackage slip ) he probably felt it wasnt justified as well. Therefore time to retire. It just irks me that the Dr. said Sapp was collecting paychecks. It was definately time for Sapp to move on and he knew it. He was honest with himself and it takes a man to do that….(Schweigert still thinks he should start.) I enjoyed watching sapp jawing all the time. He was enjoying the game the way it was meant to be played. He still had 50 tackles this year playing 35 % of the time. that equates to 140 tackles and 6 sacks full time…
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I’ve been doggin’ McFadden quite a bit, cuz I think it would be SICK to have Howie’s boy on our team. But the thought of McFadden lining up as either a HB or WR on any given play is pretty sweet. With Kiffin’s play designs and our zone-blocking scheme, DMac could seriously tear up the league.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Acey - All you have been talking about today is how Dr. Huzeinga is MaddenRaider. That topic has gone on and on and on. Dr. Huzeinga (regardless of who he might be) has been argueing his own opinions while stating that anybody who doesn’t have good arguements, results themselves to fighting about the possibility of trolls and multi-identities. In other words, lets just argue about our opinions instead of spending the day worried about whether that person is this person or that person is the person over there or he used this name but its not him, its the other guy, no wait…which one is it? Blah.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Anyways ive said my piece / peace out…
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
wow I think you guys really fritzed maddenraider’s brain AGAIN. Man, he was freakin’ blowing a curcuit, like when Frank Grimes blew a gasket on the Simpsons, or when Kirk fritzed “nomad” with logic in the old star trek.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
DM - I love you man.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Lefty 12 - I can take rebuilding if the structure is built right. Ya know what I mean? Damn building needs renovation work.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
In case anyone still cares about football, check out the tackle from Kansas, Anthony collins. Damn good OT.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
if DM is still on the board at 35-take him.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Huff24 -
All I did was state what I believed to be true and Dr Huz started in on all of the sexual crap that to me seems very innappropriate as well as a crutch for someone that has nothing else left. I may call someone a name now and again but do I bring someone’s sexuality into the discussion? Nope I would never resort to such childish behavior even if I was wrong.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Actually James McClinton the DT from Kansas is pretty damn good too.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html
Here is the College Player Rankings.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Oakglenn -
For my own peace of mind do you think Dr Huzienga is MaddenRaider too? Just curious.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
thanks for the link huff24
good stuff
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
exactly Huff-i’m tired of retooling every year and ending up2-14/4-12.Tear it down and rebuild the damn thing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
The Dr was posting anti-Al, got attacked and responded in kind. I do the same thing, If I have to
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Acey - Two wrongs dont make a right. You did this, he did that. We’re all guilty. Let’s just move on from it.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I fight for what I believe as well. That has nothing to do with my nickname or whatever. I say whats on my mind and I take a beating for it sometimes but what would I be if I didn’t stand up for myself and say what I really feel? Either way…in the scheme of things, we’re all Raider fans bickering over things we don’t like about the organization and its ok to do so. Sometimes it gets tiring and thats why I took a step back for awhile but we all feel different. So what?
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Anyways, I just picked up my new Comcast HDTV box to go with my new 42″ LCD HDTV. I’ll be able to watch football in a new perspective. Hopefully I’ll have the power to slap the refs with this.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:25 pm
If everybody’s thinking alike, nobody’s thinking. Somebody said.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:30 pm
“I may not be the smartest man…but I know what love is.” - Forrest Gump
I just wanted to get in on the quote thing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
“I may not be the smartest man…but I know what hate is.” - MaddenRaider
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
The Raiders got 100% of what Warren Sapp could give them. Yes the tank was low but he did keep the team playing hard for pride.I dont think any real Raider fan could see it any other way. Its not the end of the line for him he will do well, Warren is very colorful, see you around big guy. 3-4 4-3 lets get off the subject and start focusing on our replacement.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:35 pm
“I may not be the smartest man…but I know what hate is.” - Dr.Huzeinga
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Profootballtalk.com
POSTED 10:53 a.m. EST, January 3, 2008
REX RYAN INTERVIEWING WITH FINS
A league source tells us that former Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan will be interviewing for the head-coaching job with the Dolphins.
Ryan is expected to be a candidate for the same job in Baltimore, even though Ryan was fired with the rest of Brian Billick’s staff.
Some league insiders believe that there’s a glass ceiling hovering over the heads of Rex Ryan and his brother Rob, the soon-to-be-former defensive coordinator of the Raiders. Given that their father is Buddy Ryan, the concern is that one or both of them might be as erratic and unpredictable and brash as Buddy was during his coaching career.
Still, we think the Ryan brothers should be judged on their own merit. But in an industry with way too many candidates for way too few jobs, it’s a factor that definitely could be holding them back.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Art Rooney and Dan Rooney are both in the Hall Of Fame. Those Steelers are pretty impressive, I must admit. What myopics?
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm
“I may not be the smartest man…but I know what hate is.” - Koolkell
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I dont hate ya Mr Davis
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Acey, clearly the good Doc is/was Maddenraider amongst other monikers. Great work by Marley, (again), you can tell one absolute cause Maddenraider aka huizenga, only wants to talk about the last 5 years. Someone here brought up, what about the prior 40 years???? Didn’t want to talk about that. I always say just immediately prior to the last 5 years we were playing for the world championship. Doesn’t want to talk about that either. He was bitching about our defense with the exact same quotes last nite. My point was the Joke-sonville Jackoffs run the EXACT same defense, and no one is bitching about them now are they??? And I can tell you why but….you can figure it out if you read my posts.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Thanks for all you have given the Nation, Big Warren!
http://mvn.com/nfl-raiders/
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
KoolKell, Huff24 -
For the record the only thing that I questioned about Dr H was his identity. I never once mentioned Al Davis or even did I once mention anything about what he was saying or disagree with him in anyway. Dr H didn’t like what I had to say about his identity and then he attacked me with all of the inappropriate nonsense. He then resorted to questioning my sexuality and my relationship with others on this blog. Completely out of line and uncalled for.
I shall rise above the negativity from this point forward.
January 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
The Jaguars built their defense with a solid Defensive Line. Thats for sure.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
thanks Oakglenn. I really appreciate it bro.
Keep up the good posts, always insightful and informed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Didnt we trade back a few places in the second round and picked up miller- if long is unavailable- traing back a few places and picking up the middle lb or the wr from cal would be great, i agree that we can get a decent dt later, and for rb, we dont need a superstar, lets use rounds 5-7 on zone type offensive lineman and rb if we dont sign two of the guys we have—-
the focus of the team has to be russell- getting him a deep threat he can develop with and throw to for ten years is key
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Thanks for the memories Warren Sapp, if only we could clone you! See or hear you as a talking head, preferably replacing Raider Hater Tom jackson on ESPN.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
You guys are so childish, grow up and join the adult world like myself. I am going to play PS3 for the rest of the night…you guys better start acting your ages like me by the time I get back.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm
is anyone else watching the Orange Bowl with KU vs VT?
I wonder if Michael Vick is watching on his DTV feed in federal prison.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Oakglenn,
only wants to talk about the last 5 years. Someone here brought up, what about the prior 40 years????
”
What the hell does the 60’s 70’s or 80’s have to do with the price of rice?
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Dakota -
Have you played on both XBox360 & PS3? If so which do you think is better? Just curious…
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Ron Mexico is probably getting the NAFTA treatment as we speak…lights out @ 9:00pm!
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I’ve only used the PS3. Sorry.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I hear that it’s pretty cushy in Federal Prison. It’s when Vick has to go to a Virginia State Prison when he will be screwed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Ok folks, I’ll give it a rest for now. \
I’m guessing the announcement comes tomorrow, so as to not step on the QB Killa. Mr Davis is good about that kind of stuff.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Dakota -
the reason I ask is because I have a 360. I have the XBox 360 Elite with the 120gb hard drive and after 5 months I got the “Red Ring of Death”. I just recently got my new box back from Microsoft after a month and a half and the overall experience was enough to make me want to get a PS3 and sell my XBox.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
KoolKell says:
“I’m guessing the announcement comes tomorrow, so as to not step on the QB Killa. Mr Davis is good about that kind of stuff.”
Good point. Now about the price of rice…
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
ouch…it is actually my son’s PS3, but he has not had any problems yet and he lets me play Madden 08 whenever I want, so I can’t complain. Call to Duty 4 is pretty amazing, and so is Assassin’s Creed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
No worries. I am expecting a PS3 AND an XBox 360 as we speak. I will let you all know once I have played Madden 08 on both systems.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Madden 08 has some issues on PS3…in franchise mode eventually too few FB are available and suddenly teams cannot play games because they have too few fbs on the roster. Also, you cannot change a player’s position, so Gallery is locked in as a tackle, Tommy Kelley is locked in as a DE, Huff is locked in as a SS, etc. You can still play them out of position, but it just kind of bothers me.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Hillary must go down and she must go down hard.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Visually and statistically speaking Madden 08 is amazing on XBox360, never had any problems like what you mentioned Dakota. I am just like you, Gallery is now a guard and I have moved Huff all over. Huff is a stud in the game but then again Schweigart gets picks for me too. I guess both systems still have bugs to work out.
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Acey…Lakers rule…what, are you a GS fan?
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Drray don’t confuse a good arguement with the facts
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Yep I have been a GS fan since Run TMC. I have suffered for years at the hands of the Lakeshow, and I even lived in LA for 5 years as a GS fan. In 2003 I attended a game at Staples in all my GS gear and caught heat all night long. At one point I had an entire section booing me. It was cool though at the end of the game, after the Warriors lost, many Laker fans approached me and showed me much respect for representing in their house. I’m sure it would have been different if the Warriors had won that game.
What was it about jello jiggling and eggs cooling?
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:52 pm
BHP,
Still think we are stacked at RB, or did you finally come to your senses?
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
The problem with trading down is almost everyone wants to trade down. j/k - well, partially.
But really, trading down from say the top 5 spots is nearly impossible. The cost for teams to do so are just too much for the prospect gained. Thats why you don’t see as many trades at the top 10 - really top 5 - this day-n-age. Unless you have a Peyton Manning type prospect on the boards you can just forget about it.
Now trading out of the 5th pick onward per say is easier and gets even more and more easier the futher into the draft you go. The cost isn’t so high. Thats why you see more trading later in the draft (ala our trading down and still picking up Miller).
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
So I get home, crack a beer, turn on the game and launch this blog only to find out Sapp has officially retired. I scroll to the bottom to see what my hardcore Raider brethren think and everyone’s trading opinions about…. VIDEO GAMES! I better get another beer.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
So many times its not teams “not wanting” to trade down for extra picks, etc. Its that they can’t trade down from the pick. (Or they feel the deal is not there - trading partner is lowballing them).
Kiffin may love to trade down if the play we really want that high is unavailable, but he’ll likely be stuck with the pick nonetheless.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
“Oh, sure, he’ll refute them with high road quotes from Madden…Like Madden is going to bash him in public. Again, though, what do you expect? Formal complimentary quotes from former employees, success decades ago, and attacking the messenger. The formula for defending the indefensible, Al bonehead Davis.
Marley, put down the bong and step to daddy, biiaatch.”
LMAO! I suppose that’s why John Madden had Al Davis induct him into the HOF & vice-versa…Still delusional Maddum Raider
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
sorry Saintkaufman if the video game talk was too much, just looking for some quick perspective.
I have watched your show on Wednesday mornings on KICU 36. Very inspiring…
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
i hope sapp comes back to us to coach
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I have a show?? Sweet!
I thought of the name on the spot, not alot of thought really.
I still have my #26 jersey, glad to hear he’s doing good.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:09 pm
You can go online with your PS3 and it will automatically download the newest roster for you. Thats one way you can change it if needed. It will save the roster file onto the system and you can start a new franchise with the new roster. If you have never gone online with the system, you will have to go through the initial setup stages first of course. I got myself into that FB situation with another Madden game one year on PS2. I remember being in like Year 4 and I got screwed because I lost my FB for the season and there were none left on the market. I was so pissed.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
SaintKaufman -
This is why your namesake retired early:
http://www.thewellchurch.net/kaufman.html
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Huff24 -
How come you couldn’t just create a new player as a fb or edit a current player to change the original position to fb. XBox 360 allows you to do all of this…
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Imagine there’s no Kiffin
It’s easy if you try
No McCown under center
Or 64 yard firld goal trys
Imagine the Oakland Raiders
Playing sound football
Imagine there’s no Kiffin
It isn’t hard to do
No more bad trades
And wasted draft picks
Or bizzare roster moves
Imagine the Oakland Raiders
Playing well on the road
You may say that I’m a hater
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And Raider Nation will be as one
Imagine no more Kiffin
I wonder if you can
No more moral victories
A head coach who is a grown man
Imagine the Oakland Raiders
Playing in the super Bowl
You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday that you’ll join us
And Raider Nation will be as one
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
John Lennon was a Raider fan.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
He is one of my all time favs.
I knew he retired for the greater good.
…and man was I pissed!
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Acey - I really can’t remember why I was unable to do all that but I do recall trying. I think I was only able to create a player in the offseason or maybe prior to starting a franchise or something like that. I tried everything but I got stuck with the same result. I could have gone back to a previous save but I had automatic save and I got stuck and couldn’t go back. I don’t use automatic save for that very reason anymore. I make sure I sign off on the dotted line this time.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Dakota,
Go play outside, on the freeway.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
I was bummed to see him go too. I still have my reversible #26 jersey. Steve Wisnewski is an active member of his church as well.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
LOL! That was good FireKiffin.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I got my last franchise to year 7 or something like that. Thats alot of damn time and effort. I had a franchise QB, Franchise RB, Franchise WR, Franchise TE. My team was freakin stacked. Its so much easier in the video games. You can start a rookie without worrying about his mental state or if he doesn’t know the playbook very well. Watch…Future video games are going to be so realistic that they will take all those factors into account. The future games are going to be hell to build winning teams.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:21 pm
if you haven’t purchased your 360 yet I suggest asking the date of manufacture. Supposedly Microsoft has fixed the problem but only as of June 2007 I beleive. Wikipedia “Red Ring of Death” and it will tell you all about it.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Well…I just purchased both systems, so everything should be more up to date and hopefully without all of the bugs.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
BTW - I am the Champion in my Fantasy Football League for the 2nd consecutive season. I just had to get that out there. Now I feel like I have actually accomplished something in life….yyyeessssss!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Dakota, the last time the Lakers & GS met you told me the Lakers were going to win and when they lost I couldn’t find you. I see you came out of your hole…
# Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Acey…Lakers rule…what, are you a GS fan?
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I’m out y’all
everyone have a good night!
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=3628
GREAT ARTICLE - MUST READ
This breaks down alot of the defenses that we discuss on this blog. I think we can all gain a better understanding of defenses in general and they highlight the Jacksonville Jaguars in particular. I think you will find out what we do vs. what they do and you can compare and contrast. I must say, we have all been right in our own ways regarding defenses. I really suggest you guys read this and let me know what you think.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Huff24
Are you up for the league we wanna start next year? I don´t recall if we talked about it already but John S, myself and a few other regulars talked about it before.
FIRE KIFFIN
Can´t say I agree but that was pretty funny.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Thanks Huff, good article.
DT, ILB, SS. But do we pass on Chris Long if he’s there? Hell no!
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Bob Marley - I’m always down. Let’s rock.
January 3rd, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Bob Marley - I have played ESPN Fantasy Football the last 2 years. What about you?
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Let me clear that up…I’ve been playing longer than that but with ESPN the last 2 years. I like the format.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Even if we name it The Al Davis Fan League?.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:01 pm
J-K….you´re on pal.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Huff,
Please tell me you did’nt have any Patriots on your team.
I play in a 10 man $1500 league and I just get convince myself to do it for the money.
Of course, having LJohnson, Andre Johnson, Marc Bulger and Curry on my team was pretty brutal.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
I would LOVE to be the winner in The Al Davis Fan League. Imagine the Bragging Rights.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Huff24–thanks for the link to the Jaguars article on defenses. Very informative indeed…
I’m going to take the position that we get a DT to make this D work…if we don’t score one in March during the FA period, then I’ll go on record as one who prefers Sedrick Ellis. But we really can’t go wrong with either of the Longs, McFadden, or even Laurinaitis, can we? I’d love to have Dorsey, but we pretty much know he’ll be gone by the time we get on the clock.
KoolKell–I would politely remind you that while Davis may be giving the “QB Killa” top billing in the news today by putting off the decision on Ryan, he did fire Mike White BY FAX ON CHRISTMAS EVE.
I’m not hatin’; just stating a fact…
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Huff24
Lol…
By the way, everyone is welcomed, we´ll work out the details later on depending on number of players and site preferences.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
SaintKaufman - I play to win. I don’t discriminate any player.
My Team this year:
Tony Romo
Edgerrin James
Willis McGahee
Ryan Grant
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Chris Cooley
Buccaneers Defense
Crosby (Kicker)
I originally drafted Drew Brees in the first round but he took a backseat quickly to the later round pick of Romo. I had Jerricho Cotchery and he was a main player while Andre Johnson was hurt through the beginning of the year. I originally drafted the Ravens Defense and Vinatieri but both disappointed very much. Its all about in game adjustments. Gotta search for talent all year long.
I don’t pick Raiders for the sake of being a Raiders fan. They have to give me alot of points just like anybody else.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
By fax on Christmas Eve? Ouch.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Huff24
I missed your question before…I´ve been playing on yahoo for a few years now, same as John S so we wanted to set it up there, but like I said, we´ll work it out once is time, how do u feel about yahoo?
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Bob Marley - Cool Beans. (Movie - Hot Rod)
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Bob Marley - No site can stop me. It can be Yahoo, wingwangwallawallabingbang, ESPN….It doesn’t matter. lol.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Romo was awesome this year.
Man, I was the free agent whore of our league due to all of the injuries. I wound up with Bowe, Selvin Young, Fred Taylor, Kurt Warner and Kolby Smith.
It was a crazy year, no doubt.
We also make the bottom 3 throw a kegger on championship Sunday, I just barely made it out of the loser bracket!
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Bob Marley–are baseball players welcome?
Just turned on the Orange Bowl–the Jayhawks are up, 17-14…love to see another upset…
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Right on then Huff.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
I had Selvin Young for awhile. Big disappointment.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Desert…
All our fellow bloggers are welcome…my guess is that we´ll need a couple of leagues to fit everyone but no matter, we´ll work it out.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:19 pm
another pick for the Jayhawks, and DEEP in VT territory…Touchdown Jayhawks…go upset!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Thanks Bob Marley…I’m out Raider Nation! Here’s to the Titans to upset the Dolts this weekend!!!
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
man charger fans suck they can’t even sellout there home stadium for the playoffs, the NFL has to give them an extension just so they don’t have a local blackout….
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/01/03/sports/s174832S38.DTL&feed=rss.raiders
Hey Charger, great fans, your so loyal to your non superbowl winning team. They will not go to the championship game, shoot they might not even beat the Titans.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:28 pm
That’s what happens when 40% of your fan base are really Raider fans.
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
DesertRaider24, I got fired on the day after Christmas one time.
I collected unemployment for six months, and then got a job making TWICE as much money.
Fxxx them!
January 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Sleep tight McFadden.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
do they even have freeways in the dakotas?
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:58 pm
I saw a pic of Jessica Alba wearing a RAIDERS hat the other day, I wish I could remember where I seen it so I could post a link here. I liked Warren, but I’m ready for the change.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 pm
fire kiff, catchy, keep it up I think there’s a melody in there, somewhere. humm…
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
warren sapp…
2006 - 1st in sacks in the nfl for dt’s
2007 - 10th in tackles in the nfl for dt’s
2006 - 1st on the raiders in sacks for dt’s (2nd on the team, 1 less than the leader)
2007 - 1st on the raiders in tackles for defensive lineman (more than twice the amount of the next dt)
if sapp wants to retire, fine, but he certainly wasn’t the problem.
January 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 pm
I was reading somewhere that the RAIDERS added 2 players to the roster from the practice squad. Does anyone have more info on who these players are? Are they any good?
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm
first!
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm
The Titans can beat the Chargers with or without Vince Young. All they have to do is put 8 in the box and make Rivers beat you with his arm. Easier said than done I know but thats the only way.
Fisher should also be able to outcoach the great Norvell Turner.
Go Tenn!
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
# Huff24 Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Alyssa Milano is advertising Raider Gear for us. SCORE!!!
……….
Her career must really be on the upswing.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Obama wins Democrat side in Iowa Caucus. Huckabee wins for the party of moral hypocrisy and oil. I don’t think a brutha’s ever won a major primary like this. Could it happen? *roll sound “One Nation”, Parliament
January 4th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Let’s get some facts straight.
1) The first time we ran the 3-4 was in 1976. During the preseason 3 of our linemen went down with injuries. Art Thoms, Irons, and another guy I can’t remember. We switched to the 3-4 as an emergency measure. I remember because I was a Raiders fan then. Willie Hall came in as the extra linebacker. Luckily for the Raiders, they had Ted Hendricks who was the perfect outside linebacker to fit this system and it worked; we won the Super Bowl.
2) Later we drafted Reggie Kinlaw who was a monster of a nose tackle and the legacy continued.
3) Later we switched back to the 4-3, but we had a long line of high draft picks on the D line during the period where we were successful: Long, Townsend, Bill Pickel, Sean Jones, Alzado etc.
The problem is that you can’t run the 3-4 without a great nose tackle and good hybrid outside LB’s who can rush the QB.
And you can’t run a 4 man rush, with tight man to man without quality D-linemen, who dominate.
We just haven’t had the players to play either of the two Raider’s defensive schemes.
We have had holes on defense for years. First the linebackers, and now the D-line. Our recent history has been marked by us never being able to get a complete defense on the feild that is strong all the way through.
This is why we need to draft defense, get the players in house and THEN implement the right scheme to fit to their capabilities.
January 4th, 2008 at 1:48 am
ups…too late on the last post..kudos to KOOL KELL post 82! Consider it a confirmation of your claim.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Let’s put the draft in perspective in this way:
What is our timeframe for winning?
If we are trying to win NOW, then we need D-Line, MLB and LT, WR, which means no McFadden!
If we are looking at 3 years down the line, then it would be cool to have JMoney and McFadden as the two skill position studs who will form the backbone of the franchise and then fill in the rest of the guys on D and Oline with later round picks and then future high picks over the next two years.
Getting McFadden is not going to help us win next year.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:27 am
Huff 24…cool article you posted:
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=3628
The question is, what defense do we use?
It doesn’t seem like our personel fits in with any of those descriptions.
1) We aren’t running the cover 2.
2) We don’t seem to play with 8 in the box, which is the description of the configuation of a man to man defense.
It would seem that we are missing two things in order to make our scheme work.
1) Defensive linemen that pressure the QB.
2) A strong safety that can play in the box, and blow people up on the line when they run.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:12 am
I don’t buy it. Thanks for being a Raider Sapp, but good riddance. The defensive “leader” of the team was released from TB for a reason, and it greatly showed while he was here. Last year was his only good year hear, a defensive year that was exposed a year later according to the “experts”.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:35 am
Lefty,
No freeways, just dirt paths where Bison stampede. Dangerous stuff you know. My internet connection is by way of smoke signal too.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:40 am
Some of you guys in there thought Coach Kiffin was too young of a pup to be coaching, now there’s a possible DC Raheem Morris.
The guy gets really good reviews by his players. Like Kiffin, “he’s on the fast track” and considering he was a DC for Kansas State for a year (prior to accepting the DB coach position with Tampa), he should be alright.
I don’t really know too much about cover 2 & cover 3, but different articles I read stated he favored using these two defenses.
Obviously this is considered speculation and I’m sure other names will come up.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:41 am
My internet connection is via an Iowa cornstalk and soybean plants. I know what you’re saying.
January 4th, 2008 at 6:25 am
i like the way kiffin is trying to go, if you read some of my past posts, i’ve mantained we are built for the cover 2 with our lbs and smaller def line. this could very well mean ellis will be the draft choice if morris is brought in. he’s the quick, up the field dt required for the scheme
January 4th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Raider Will..isn’t that what Sapp was? A quick guy shooting the gaps?
January 4th, 2008 at 7:09 am
yes, which was the problem with the scheme we had under ryan, the players didn’t fit. you need basically three big dts on the line to run the 3-4, and we had 1 if can even count sands, and our 4-3 was predominantly man to man, and our d-line isn’t big enough to hold up for that
January 4th, 2008 at 7:12 am
LOOK, you “THEROBRYAN-DOPES” ,need to just sit back & SHUT UP!!!!o.k., the talent on this team can play any defense they want, except a ROBRYAN bizzaro world/freak/robzombie! assbackward style!!!
if it goes to MONTE! he imdeiatley brings creditblty!
the 4-3 2 sfty/ 4 cover! 3 under is perfect! & so would be the REX RYAN ” 34″ attack style! , but it is tuffer& more dependant on talent!! we are better suited for 4-3 2-sfty! it will look like this!!
WE-BURGESS(finally where he belongs)-WDT-KELLY then
SDT- WARREN?(need depth here)SDE-BRAYTON
(@ 6-6-295he is ready for this spot!a motor&strenght is needed for this spot!& tylers’got it)
the rotation after this is where the problem is we need depth- SANDS makes a good #2 WDT/ #2 SDE #2 wdt/sde gets alot of reps!btw!(30PERGAME), we will need better then richardson/as #1 depth?@wdt sde! matter of fact hes’ gonna get cut!cause he flat out SUCKS!!! CLEMONS SUCKS TO hell get cut!! so we need a vet def tackle for run def!,the 1 more vet @ sde for depth! , then we can go for talent /impoact at other spots!!!!!
THE BACK IS 7 IS LOADED & IS TO GOOD RITENOW!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 7:18 am
you obviously overestimate the talent of a bunch of castoffs and players who’ve never proven they can dominate their positions, our def line is a mess, and losing sapp really leaves us in a bind. burgess is the only proven player, and he’s a pass rusher, but not a good run defender
January 4th, 2008 at 7:20 am
same as Raider Will…….
January 4th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Tampa’s starting D:
DLE Kevin Carter
DRE Gaines Adams
LCB Ronde Barber
RCB Phillip Buchanon
SS Jermaine Phillips
FS Tanard Jackson
DLT Chris Hovan
DRT Jovan Haye
SLB Cato June
MLB Barrett Ruud
WLB Derrick Brooks
Based off on our starting D last season what would the lineup look like:
DLE Jay Richardson
DRE Derrick Burgess
LCB Nhamdi
RCB Routt/Washington
SS Michael Huff
FS Hiram Eugene/Stu
DLT Tommy Kelly/Terdell Sands
DRT Gerard Warren/Tyler Brayton
SLB Robert Thomas/Sam Wiliams
MLB Kirk Morrison
WLB Thomas Howard
January 4th, 2008 at 7:29 am
I think Nhamdi will fulfill Barber’s role to a T, however Routt/Washington would seriously have to work on their tackling.
LB’s would be set except for SLB. I would assume if Raheem was our coach he would move Howard to Brooks position to utilize his speed. Morrison would have no problem as MLB in this system and would be a advantage over Ruud.
D line obviously needs a body. If we could land Ellis with a lower pick via trade for draft picks, our D line wouldn’t be as bad as it looks. I think Warren teamed up with Ellis would be pretty good if the coach can motivate Warren to play every down.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Does anyone know about John Lynch and his awareness and speed while he was a Pro Bowl safety in Tampa?
I don’t know if it was the system helping him out, or if it was his actually athletic ability, for which he never really had a lot compared to other safeties.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:34 am
And of course our safeties would have to be good in deep coverage….maybe Huff can do that if we’re lucky….but the other two guys….no chance in hell.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Jeremy
I think that Lynch was a ball hawking type of guy who had great instincts but not great speed. Like Dallas’ Roy Williams actually, just slower.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Great read on how the local news feels about Raheem Morris in Tampa:
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/09/Bucs/Will_Kiffin_stay_Bucs.shtml
January 4th, 2008 at 7:44 am
i could really see us trying to land lance briggs if this defense is what we are implementing, we would definately be set at lb, and he’s been in a cover 2 def in chicago for his whole careeer
January 4th, 2008 at 7:48 am
thanks jeremy, no wonder kiffin is trying to acquire him asap, seems tampa views him as montes’ successor
January 4th, 2008 at 7:54 am
So Kiffin wants a Cover 2 guy? Uhggh
January 4th, 2008 at 8:02 am
kk you don’t like the cover 2 defense?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Does it really matter what defensive scheme we play in next year? The fact is our d-line and safeties are sh!t, no matter what scheme we play in. It is about talent, not schemes. We need to address the d-line with free agents and trades. We need men, not boys on the d-line. Forget Ellis, he is the 3rd best d-lineman in this draft (behind Dorsey and Long) and you want to select him #3 or #4 overall? No way.
Draft a safety in the second round. Sign a veteran for next year (Doss?).
Draft McFadden. Re-sign Fargas only if reasonable.
Sign Berrian or Bryant Johnson. Re-sign Porter.
Sign a veteran backup QB…anyone but McClown.
Hire a new special teams coach.
Sign one impact free agent, like Briggs, if he fits in our defensive scheme.
That is about the best we can hope for. We cannot fix all of our problems this year, but we can build towards becoming competitive again, but only if we have patience and add the players that give us the best chance to win in the long run (McFadden)
Yes, I have a man crush on McFadden…so what…kiss my butt.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:14 am
i beg to differ dakota, scheme can hide some of your defensive defiencies, although we need to improve our dline and safety spots without question, the rest of our defense is built for the cover 2 right now. we have the smaller fast lbs to read, react and get to the ball, our dline is already small, we just need more talent there, and for the love of God, find someone who can be the enforcer instead of schweigart..those go without saying, but the reason scheme matters, look no further than the colts. those dbs cannot play man coverage very effectively[look at jason david now that he's in new orleans]but the cover 2 scheme hides that liabilty, because they aren’t in man a majority of the time, so fabian wouldn’t be so exposed in a cover 2, his speed would allow him to play a spot on the field and just break on the ball
January 4th, 2008 at 8:18 am
That’s fine, cover 2, 3-4, 4-3…whatever works for our players. I hate coahes that come in and try and fit players into a system instead of finding a system that fits for the players. I think we tried that a few years ago with the 3-4. Guys like Brayton were supposed to play linebacker…wtf is up with that? Whatever works, just fix that darned problem Al!
January 4th, 2008 at 8:20 am
[...] Sapp retires January 04th, 2008 | Category: NFL News Warren Sapp has decided to retire from the NFL after 13 seasons. He finishes with 96 sacks in his career, which is pretty impressive [...]
January 4th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Was that supposed to be breaking news?
January 4th, 2008 at 8:22 am
LOL thanks for the “heads up”
January 4th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Kool Kell doesn’t know what a cover 2 is….he thinks it’s putting condoms on himself and his boyfriend.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:56 am
General observation…
Quit having your dumb personal conversations about dumb stuff no one cares about on a public blog. I can only scan and ignore so many posts before I just say screw it and find something interesting to read. Keep the conversation to football and the Raiders. If you need to have a pickle party where you can discuss music, curtains and fluffy pillows, exchange email addresses or find a hotel or something.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Guys, I have to say Coach Kiff is the man. I love Al, but he needs to let the kid run his team. He has to have just a little knowledge from daddy, especially when it comes to defence.
Raheem Morris sounds like our “ACE” in the hole. I think I would take him over Old Kiff.
This would let “The Kid” concentrate on getting his offense up to par.
After this season, if our defense could of held teams we would have won at least 3 or 4 more games.
Sign Berrian, draft Chris Long, Sign a veteran LT, find a show stopping SS or FS either in draft or FA.
We can find a decent DT in later rounds of draft.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Thanks You Warren Sapp for your fire you brought every down as a Raiders. Sorry the Raiders could not reciprocate that type of desire you possess.My wish is that you take the positive events that occurred with the Raiders, as little as that may be,And carry the Raiders spirit with you wherevery you may go. God Bless You. Thanks again for the many battles you fight for Raiders. Raiders Be with you.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Briggs would be an awesome addition to our LB’s and we’d immediately have a top 5 group of LB’s. If the D line were to be as good as Tampa Bay played (and their players aren’t much better, just more sound due to FUNDAMENTALS) these LB’s would be all over the field.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Here’s Morris’ Bio, and check out those Tampa cheerleaders, “God almighty!”
http://www.buccaneers.com/team/staffdetail.aspx?coachid=38
January 4th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Never mind all this DC talk. We need to sign some free agent cheerleaders from the Bucs. Holy Toledo!!!!
I am sad to say, but they put some of our Raiderettes to shame. Some much flesh……….
January 4th, 2008 at 9:37 am
their cheerleaders are smokin i agree, sign some of them whewwwww
January 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Too bad we don’t have the personell up front to run a 3-4. With our CORNERS (NA and Fabe ..maybe Washington) a 3-4 alignment would really be monstrous.
Consider - our corners are highly capable of playing man-to-man press coverage. They do it all the time. Esp NA, you can just leave him on an island. In a 3-4 alignement you can exercise the option AT OPPORTUNE TIMES to leave them by themselves.
Extraordinary responsibility and risk I know, but whoa look at the benefits: Great corners can allow an extra men in the box when facing a traditional 2WR offensive alignment; thus, allowing a 3-5-3 or 3-6-2 configuration with the extra man/men being SS,FS and/or LBs depending on the personnel and what you are disguising. Thats 1-2 extra defenders in the box. Any of them can blitz but of course the FS/SS would be better options as they should be better in coverage on potential passing downs - fake blitz. But on obvious run downs bring in the wood - extra LB (although Mo and Ho are good coverage LBs ..which gives this kinda defense even more flexiblity and potentcy).
But we just don’t have the personell up front. JRich may be capable at DE in a 3-4. He often draws a double team with his bull rush. That leaves a 4 other position at qustion: another DE (C.Long?), NG, LB, and a true SS. Just too short on the right personell to take advantage of our corners.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Wow, I am moving to TB! But we have Alyssa Milano modeling Raider gear…okay, we suck.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:41 am
First!
January 4th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Why, oh why is it taking Al Davis so long to fire Rob Ryan? He has all the evidence. Ryan’s ineptitude was visible from Week One. Last years stats were a joke - our run defense was so pathetic that teams didn’t even need to throw the ball.
Ryan has failed. Sack him, now.
January 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Turd Sands STINKS! What a waste of money!
January 4th, 2008 at 9:53 am
You were a good Raider Warren!
January 4th, 2008 at 9:55 am
For those who like Bernard Berrian check this out.
Free Agent WR Bernard Berrian talks to Harry and Jamie about possibly joining the Eagles - Thursday, January 03, 2008
http://sr950.com/Roster/TheFanatics/tabid/118/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/398/Bernard-Berrian-Free-Agent-WR.aspx
January 4th, 2008 at 10:10 am
According to my calculations, Sapp’s retirements and the departure of the one-year men (Culpepper, etc.) has reduced our wage bill to the second lowest in the league. Only the Bills are cheaper.
Sapp’s decision to retire also boost our cap space.
The transformation in our finances has been amazing.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:11 am
A lot of people discusse taking more defensive players early in the draft. PLEASE don’t draft another DB in the first four rounds. Our defense can be improved without sacrificing a first round pick. Here’s an idea that might really help our team as a whole and I’ll explain why.
Trade our first round pick to Dallas for their two first round picks, they would die to get McFadden and it alleviates having to pay top 5 money again.
With Dallas’ two picks draft:
1. Mario Manningham from Michigan (because DeSean Jackson will be gone) an instant upgrade to the receivers corps and he’s used to playing in the cold so any winter games he’d be fine. He can fill in right away as a starter receiver. Porter might be gone and Curry drops to many passes to gain the confidence of Russell once Russell gets in a grove.
2. Felix Jones from Arkansas. He was in the shadows his whole career behind McFadden but has blazing speed and great moves, plus he can catch swing passes out of the backfield very well. Even with Fargas, Rhodes and Bush, we have no speed back to modify the tempo of a game and could eventually become the starter. With the possible health concerns about Fargas and Bush and Rhodes age, having a potential starter than can get experience before starting would be ideal.
With our second round pick: draft any of the following solid defensive line picks.
Kentwaan Balmer - DT North Carolina
Red Bryant - DT Texas A&M
Lawrence Jackson DE - Florida
Derrick Harvey DE -USC
Then in free agency sign Bernard Berrian at all costs to either supplement or replace Porter/Curry and then you have a vastly improved offense and defense in one offseason.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:13 am
We have to sign a free agent WR this off season, no doubt about it, because current Raiders receivers are:
1. Curry
2. Higgins
3. McFoy
Porter and Dwight are FA, but I think Dwight will be resigned.
We also need to draft one in round 2 (2008 class is depth at WR: Sweed, Bowman, and others could be there when we pick 35)
I want either Berrian or Bryant Johnson being Raiders next year. I think Johnson is starting material but he played with star WR Fitzgerald and Boldin in Arizona.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:17 am
MidwestSilvernBlack:
L. Jackson is from USC, Harvey plays with Florida.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am
MMMMMMMM Cheerleaders…
January 4th, 2008 at 10:21 am
El tato -
Thanks for the correction, I mistyped the schools.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:49 am
That is an intresting option Midwest.
January 4th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Truly a sad day for me and many other Raider fans who have the ability to see just how important Sapp was and how difficult it will be to replace him. Sapp was by far our most productive and reliable interior Defensive line. Sapp leaves the game the same way he came in…as one of the best DT’s in football. I hope AL can pull out the old wallet and convince him to stay.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Kiffin needs to stop talking and start acting.
Sapp is gone, Ryan may go, Al Davis is hanging on to Ryan just in case they can’t find a D.C soon, Fargus needs to be signed,ASOMUGHA must be signed, rumor has it Porter wants out of Oakland, the defense needs help and a new scheme, On top of all that he has to be great in the draft.
We need players that will help the team and mature quick.
He needs to sell the future now to the players or they will not play for him, they will only play for the Raiders.
I love the Raiders, Kiffin has to show us something or his stay with the fans will be short in Oakland and around the Nation. I would love to be at .500 next season or even split the series in our own division. If we can’t build to go .500 in our own division we are not going to go .500 at the end of the season.
Does Sapp know something we don’t????????
January 4th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Thanks Warren for being a Raider
January 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Kiffin lead the Raiders to victory over Denver and KC so he’ll get another year just for that, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because as a Raider fan sure I always want to beat KC, Denver, and SD but I also recognize that both Denver and KC are garbage right now so the victories were bitter-sweet. Next year Kiffin will be starting a rookie QB all year and possibly bring in a new DC with a new scheme. This all adds up to another losing season. Yeah, Sapp might have seen this coming.
January 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
SUCK A$$ JAY!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Right on Jay to blog #347, right on.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Mad Road Dog -
Maybe you and Jay should get a room! Thats what lovers do
kiss kiss flame
January 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I don’t care who you are that’s funny right there.
January 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Thanks for everything , Mr.Sapp. You have always been the real deal. Please don’t let them change you , we need your voice in the wilderness.Peace.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Thanks Warren! I have been dreading this day. You were the heart and soul of the defense. I truely believe if not for you we would not have won the games we did. And boy with you and Burgess together - what a force! I am going to hate going to that first home game and not seeing you on the
field. I hate our record cost you the pro bowls - again thanks for being a class player - thanks for all the great memories. Whatever show you end up on I will definetly be watching.
January 4th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Warren sucks. Good riddance. I am so sick of people making excuses for the man and why he can’t tackle a running back. If he never was a point of attack player then he wasn’t much of a complete DT. This defense just got a whole lot better on a consistent basis. Sapp will say more stupid schit on espn than Boomer and Salisbury put together.
January 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Wild Bill…
Good work. I am going to read some more on this….
February 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
screen under the bath…
Its fried rice, you plick!…