Taylor: Ryan to stay
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Statement released by the Raiders by spokesperson Mike Taylor to the Associated Press:
“The recent conjecture regarding the removal of Rob Ryan is incorrect and the constant barrage of rumors is irresponsible. The Raiders organization stated that the speculation that Rob Ryan will be relieve of his duties should stop.”
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January 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
THERE’S A REPORT ABOUT RYAN STAYING ON ESPN TOO…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3181706
January 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Disaster.
We are stuck with a useless DC and our Head Coach has been completely undermined.
If Rob Ryan had any sense of honour, he would resign.
Al Davis, I hope you know what you are doing.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
bs
January 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Why? Why? Why? is this Al pulling rank with the Man Defense? or do you think Kiffin really believes in Ryan?? I read yesterday that Kiffin favored the Cover 2… I hope Al is not setting us back further…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Al probably figured there was no other viable option to replace him with, plus he’s got the players on his side.
Changing to the Cover 2 along with some new def. assistants could help us out. At least he wasn’t traded for 3 minor league prospects!!!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Repost
Here I’ll break it down for ya all: We most likely will make a run at Raheem Morris, but won’t be able to do that until Tampon Bay is out of the playoffs, which could be as early as tomorrow. Under league rule, as long as a coach is making an upward move, he can do that. Lateral moves, (i.e., RRyan going from DC Raiders to DC Jets) will require compensation, since RR will still be under contract with the Raiders.
What does all this mean?????? Stay tuned. (I think the Godfather is trying to weasel the 6th overall pick, NY Jets #1 rounder for Ryan)
January 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
This is a bad thing for everyone, I´m gonna wait for more information but I´m not liking it, our outlook maye just have turned from bright to cloudy, if confirmed.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
That statement leaves more wiggle room than “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
January 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
And if I’m wrong about #6, and Ryan IS staying, I told ya so.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Al Davis is a senile old fool.
The rest of the Alameda staff are too scared to tell him the truth.
Rob Ryan is a failure. Just like his father. Just like his brother.
Will somebody please buy this franchise. Send Davis to a home for the ridiculously demented, fire losers like Ryan and put this franchise on a professional footing.
Nancy Gay, you were right.
Jeffrey Chadiha, you were right.
The lunatics own the asylum.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Why would the Jets be so willing to give up the 6th overall pick for an unproven def. coordinator? He’s great with linebackers but not so much with an entire scheme. I know the Jets suck but damn, they’d have to be pretty silly to take that kind of deal.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
oakglenn,
that’s funny, the jets #1 for ryan, that will never ever happen.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
rex ryan is a failure?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Oakglenn…If you are right I have to give ya props big time on that one…and I hope you are right.The thing is if the tampering rumors have some merit ya just never know…..stranger things have happened.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
buddy ryan was a failure? are you talking about buddy ryan the head coach or buddy ryan the d-cord? because buddy ryan the d-cord was certainly not a failure.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Odd statement, weird organization, what else?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Why would the Jets want to take a complete failure like Rob Ryan as their DC?
Last year’s D stats were a complete mirage. Ryan has failed for four years. Failed to motivate. Failed to organise. Failed to improve. Just like his father, he can’t deliver the results.
The Jets are desperate but they aren’t stupid.
And certainly not as stupid as Al Alzheimer Davis
January 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
if al was trying to get compensation from the jets it wouldn’t be rd1#6.
who knows what is going on in alameda, ryan is under contract, he could stay a raider coach and kiffin could still bring in a new d-cord. who knows.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Thinking about the whole “last hurrah” the players gave Ryan at the end of the last game, I’m thinking Al is holding it up until the Bucs lose against the Giants, then with Morris free to move, he’ll let go of Ryan.
And Al is scheming to see how he can pull a “billy beane” and make the situation more to his advantage. Let’s say the Jets are complete rim jobs and offer some kind of draft pick/ compensation or whatever, it wouldn’t hurt to hear them out.
Highly unlikely but stranger things have happened.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Buddy Ryan’s record at Arizona was 12:20. Failure.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
what an f’ing joke scottish raider. you are looking at buddy’s w/l at arizona and calling him a failure? go f’ing read up on the guy and check back in…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Everybody take a deep breath. WOW you overreact to everything. Al Davis did this, Davis did that. SWould you believe that Kiffin directed these comments to cease and desist. I see as the same rumors created by the media about his going to Arkansas.
Why not wait until something definitive comes out. You all were led to believe that Kiffin was against Ryan and I tried to tell you that, that wasn’t necessarily the case.
Why not wait until something definitive happens. Because you dont get what YOU think should be done desn’t mean that something is amiss. What Kiffin and Ryan now have a clearer idea of hat the other expects.
It could be anything just wait.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
This sounds like one of those “Vote of confidence” deals where you can almost bank on the guy being fired. How come they didn’t make this statement about Kiffin and Arkansas?
Kell, you’re right though. Weird stuff…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
bill belichick, 36-44 as coach of the browns, are you calling him a failure too?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Of course “Big Al” loves subterfuge, bulscit, imtrigue and fukin people, who knows.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
HOw come there are no videos of Buddy Ryan punching Kevin Gilbride in the face on youtube?
I kept waiting for Rob to do that Tom Walsh last year.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
If Kiffin wanted Ryan gone, and Davis is screwing around we are screwed.
Maybe Kiff wants Ryan to stay for another season?
If not this will reak Havoc on the Raiders org.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
bs Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
bill belichick, 36-44 as coach of the browns, are you calling him a failure too?
no he just started winning when he started taping the other teams Defense.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
KK, baby you just were had by the media and you don’t want to admit it. So you blame Mr. Davis.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Ya know BHP,
If “Big Al’s” clever bullschit resulted in winning, that would be one thing. Other than that, he need’s to quit it. Know what I’m sayin, Hit it or Quit it.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Obviously I’m teasing a bit about getting the Jets #6 overall, BUT, hey, stranger things have happened. If you remember the Gruden deal, gruden was gone, 24 hours later, was back, and then 24 hours after that gone for good, SO, hey ya never know. You guys kinda break me up tho, cause last year, Ryan was being interviewed for the HEAD COACH job, not only here, and had lots of consideration both in this organization and in others, and 12 months later he forgets everything he knows about football??????? Huh?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I bleed Silver & Black, but come on.
Canning Ryan would have sent a message, no perform = no job. It also would have been a boost to Kiffs status as shot caller for the Raiders.
Instead Al thinks that someone (jets) covets something he owns and now he has to squeeze something out of them for it.
Sometimes the STATEMENT is better than getting something/nothing.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
glenn, did you ever find beach?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I can’t believe this sad excuse for a professional organization. How can this not be grand pappy trying to show everyone he is still “in charge”. Un-freaking-believable. How much lower do the Raiders have to sink to start going up again? Every year for the past five years Al has figured out a way to bring the team down. Senile grand pappy needs to be put out to pasture.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
check out the post #7 on the cover 2 article. Al runs the raiders for a living. He has no other job. Giving Kiff control would be the same as Davis firing himself.
Al will NEVER fire himself and thus this organization will continue to be a failure.
25 years of being a raider fan……it is hard to see the franchise in this state, but Al has no one to blame but himself.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Well Rob Ryan is still in Alameda when other coaches have been getting the axe left & right. Im not saying this is a valid story; just like yesterday it was reported Ryan was fired. I think the real blame on Ryan (if Rob had anything to do with it) was he drafted some bust at defense. If Coach Ryan is coming back, I hope Kiffin will have a better nose at drafting & signing true football players.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
JohnS, because Rob Ryan would miss - just like his defense attempting tackles.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Rob Ryan if he stays needs to learn what a blitz is called.
If we draft Dorsey and get some run stuffing d-lineman we will have a good defense.
but this stinks of Al Davis calling the shot’s to me.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Actually Scottish, Buddy Ryan designed the 46 which is in use by almost all the pro teams in one way or another and 90% of college teams. No one obviously runs it as their base D, but you do see it. Shoot, Bellicheck runs it. How much of a failure can he be on that alone?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I am happy if the espn report is true that we are keeping Ryan. This organization needs some sort of STABILITY.The players who respect and trust Ryan will perform next year. I think the coaches have a pulse on the underperformers.There will be a youth movement and after the last 4rys of the coaching merry-go-round I am for it. The dead c-wood[sorry i couldnt help it]I mean wood will be gone.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
lol Scottish
January 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
The same kind of bullschit that kept JaMarcus out of camp, trust me. (lol)
January 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
All the running backs in the AFC West are happy Ryan is staying, more 100 yard games for second tier RB’s line KC’s backup that shredded our D
LOL
January 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I do agree we need stability at all coaching levels, and I hope Kiffin like the raiders org and wants to stay for years, I hope Big Al does not piss this guy off enough to leave.
Kiffin is the best thing to happen to the Raiders since 2002
January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Oakglenn,
You keep saying the 46 that Buddy Ryan played in Chicago is the same that all teams play. I don’t believe that.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
basic PR: If Kiffin is cool with this, i.e. it’s his decision, then have HIM make the statement.
Who is Mike Taylor. What happened to Artie Gigantino?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
If I am not mistaken Daddy Ryan was the D Cord for the 85 Bears. Widely considered the best D ever. Nuff said about Buddy.
His twin sons on the other hand make a living off their last name.
Please give that loud mouth a hole a chance to prove ” I’d get a job in 2 minutes” (the same two minutes that his defenses fold in at the end of games!!)
January 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Talk about delusional.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Between 1988 and 1991, Ryan’s Eagles defense was one of the very best ever. But he failed year after year to build an offense that could take advantage.
The classic Ryan family failings: Failure to learn, failure to correct mistakes, failure to take responsibility.
Rob Ryan is a failure. Just look at his record. Probably the worst of any DC across the league over the past four years. He is the Alvis Whitted of DCs.
Ryan has no shame. Like his father he is too stubborn, arrogant, pig-headed to admit his failings and step aside. You need to fire Ryans.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Kiffin needs to make some statement on the issue.
if he wanted Ryan it’s all good.
If Al did like I said and screwed Kiffin over, we will never get a true 10+ year HC here again.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
yeah bhp you’re right, someone is delusional if they think this marriage with ryan will work if he’s not allowed to run his def
January 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
How many 4th quarter leads did the raiders loose this season with Ryan as DC?
LOL
January 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I heared Ken Stabler on ESPN news over the weekend and hye said when he played for the Raiders they had GREAT players, any coach can win with Great players and it’s mr. Davis job to get them here.
Ryan can be good with great players.
1) Chad Johnson.
2) Glen Dorsey/Chris Long.
3) Any left tackle better than Barry Sims.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Hey JohnS
I got a good link for you, have you seen the ‘’straight cash homey” stuff on espn page2?.
Simmons mentioned it and it´s funny sh+t…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Dude, Mike Taylor is the PR director and a darn good one to boot.
They will hold a press conference to clear everything up.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
JT. Ryan’s pathetic excuse for a pro-defense lost six 4th quarter leads. We could have been 10:6.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
KK, look at my quote, the 46 in one way or another, sure, there are tons of variations of it, that’s what coaches do, same with the cover 2, or an eagle. All coaches like to add their own wrinkles.
Johns, the beach??? didn’t quite get what you were saying…
January 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
RR doesn’t play on the field. Did any of you ever think that maybe what stops the run and plays overall good D has a little to do with who you have on the field?
Give RR the players and he will improve the D. We have a patchwork Defensive line and need better pass rushers, run stoppers, safeties to mention a few. I guess it’s always easier to blame the coach.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Delusional, is not recoginizing that the 78 year old Man, in a walker, GM, is not the same man he was 30 years ago. Sorry, but we all get old. You guys are living in the past. That’s delusional bro. Life goes on. WE ARE NOT WINNING, ok?
January 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
One thing you guys, and I’M SURE THE GODFATHER INSISTED ON THIS, it’s probably better, AT THIS POINT, that Kiff only really has to deal with the Offense and special teams. As a first time head coach ON ANY LEVEL, not having to completely set up a defensive staff, and a defensive philosophy, and defensive personnel, especially with the Godfather hanging over his shoulder, it probably could let kiff focus a little more and get acclimated to the job. just saying.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Eastcoast, Ryan has had four years to recruit, train, organise and motivate. Every player on this year’s defense is Ryan’s choice and Ryan’s responsibility.
Shawn, Rob Ryan will fail next season, no matter who we draft or who we acquire in FA. He always fails.
January 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Ryan has been running his defense or he would be gone. Get it, GONE. He and Kiffin ( that’s if Ryan stays ) will go into next season with a much better understanding of what the other is trying to get done. This is totaly up to these guy’s being on board with each other. If what you guy’s say was going on, none of these coaches would stay here. Rathman, Cable none of them. the only way a coach can be successful is if he believes in what HE is doing………….period.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Hey Scottish
We lost four games where the defense only one offensive TD. This is not High School we have to score points in this league. In 12 losses the offense average just over 9 points in those games. See Al knows what he is doing.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
oakglenn
if that’s the case, whey doesn’t al be head coach and just hire an offensive coordinator? what sense is there in hiring a headcoach and yet telling him not to use his philosophies?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Master Davis,
Please fire yourself sir, our organization is a laughingstock among the league.
I offer my death as a measure of my sincerity and love.
(now i slit open my belly)
January 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
bhp
you need a splash of the holy water dude, you are truly delusional. so by your concept al just hires boneheaded coaches who don’t believe in themselves? these defensive coordinators just happen to not believe in the scheme they want to run is what you’re telling us?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
With the possibility of the Jets tampering with Oakland and RR, Al might be keeping Ryan until either compensation is determined by the NFL or by the Jets.
He could easily be on his way out the door, but until something has been decided, he won’t go anywhere.
Either this, or like I said yesteray, he could be staying but will have to release Millard and a few other assistants.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Can anyone answer this for me…This year we had 2 Def linemen that played the same D last year for us, right? Burgess and Sapp. 11 and 10 sacks respectively in 06 with tommy kelly. 8 and 2 this year without tommy kelly. I’m not saying it was all tommy kelly, but it seems to me that he definitely did something to help 56 and 99. Then injuries got to them, too.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Jack Johnson,
How many more games does Ryan have to lose before you recognise that this loser is just not good enough to run an NFL defense?
How many more Day 1 defensive picks have to fail before you recognise that Ryan either can’t spot talent, develop talent or utilise talent?
Wake up, Nation. Rob Ryan is just not good enough.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
How can Rob Ryan stop the run with no DT? Last year everyone wanted him to be HC, the defense was the only bright spot and Ryan was the man. I heard 0 calls for his head then. This year the D under performs and he gets thrown under the friggin’ wood chipper! To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, “…many of you you know so much that isn’t so…”. Yes, his defense under performed, that does not make him worthless or useless or any of that. Give the guy some talent in the trenches, with a healthy Burgess, then we will see. Move Huff to FS and bring in a real SS. Firing the DC is not the only answer. And it may still happen, what was the press release before Shell got Shelled?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“Ryan has been running his defense or he would be gone. Get it, GONE. ”
What does that mean, cause he’s unsucessful and still here?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Yeah Bob. I’ve seen it. That’s some funny stuff. I was just looking through it to see if there were any Raiders…just a guy in a Hostetler jersey.
I’d be more comfortable if it had said “Raiders spokesman Blackholepriest.” At least then I’d have heard of him.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
jeremy
even if al let him go, if the nfl dertmines there was tampering, we would still get the compensation, that’s not a good enough reason
January 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The crazy thing is everytime there is a rumor one way or the other people jump to a million conclusions. First of all No One knows whether Kiffin wants Ryan or not. Its all been rumored speculation about him being fired and Kiffin going to the Cover 2. Who really knows? If he doesn’t get fired does that mean it was Davis who made the call? Once again who really knows? Not the media and certainly none of us. Remember last year when it was stated that it was irresponsible for the media to make rumor about Shell being fired. Weeks later what happened? So why don’t we just chill out and wait to see what happens. What if Ryan does stay but tweaks the way the defense is ran does that mean that Kiffin won out? All these grand statements about what Al does and doesn’t do, what he controls or doesn’t, the reality is none of us even really know.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
We’ll Li’l Lane, there goes that Cover 2 son.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
No that’s not what I’m telling you . You’re telling yourself that.
Maybe if read carefully what I’ve said maybe you’d understand it better. Then again maybe not.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
August 2007.
“I think we have great personnel and can play pretty much anything we want,” Ryan said. “The great thing with these (young) guys is they have all kinds of talent but they are also very smart. They have jumped right in and grasped what we are doing and have really fit right in.”
Guess who?.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
sorry glenn. I was thinking of Raider Dell…my bad.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I swear it never ends with this damn team. Mixed messages, Al’s attempts to constantly neuter his coaches, piss-poor DCs allowed to retain employment for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT!! Are you kidding me? The only person not held accountable for this miserable dysfunctional mess is senile grand pappy.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
John S
Yeah I was kind of bummed there was no Marinovich jersey either.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
“I’d be more comfortable if it had said “Raiders spokesman Blackholepriest.””
lol.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
you’re right, maybe not…what is it you’re trying to say? because it sure sounds to me like you believe he’s running his defense, and i certainly don’t see a 3-4 defense out there
January 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
But there is the fact that Al can’t talk to or request to talk to Raheem Morris until the season is over. Al might be waiting until he knows he has a replacement and won’t just fire him.
As for interviews, because Morris is a positional coach and a DC job with the Raiders, would Al have to request permission to speak with with since this is an upward promotion?
If the choice is to keep him for a another season, guaranteed Millard is the first assistant out the door. I love the guy given he’s from WSU, but with the way the line struggled, maybe he’s over his head?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I remember i was at a game one time and this guy’s girlfriend was rocking a Jeff George…like he told her “Here, you can wear this one!” and she didn’t know the difference. It’s too bad I didn’t get a picture.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Jaysohn, Thank you brotha, thank you very much
January 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
“I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.”
Thomas Alva Edison…or was it Rob Ryan?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
LOL scottish
January 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
ummm we are here to speculate and jump to conclusions and argue anything we view differently, there wouldn’t be so many hits on the post, or guys coming back everyday to debate and root on the raiders if we didn’t jump to conclusions and make some convo out of these reports
January 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Oviously the DC is responsible for all of his assistants and how the players perform.
Maybe both Al & Kiffin want Ryan back, but know some of the positional coaches aren’t cutting it. Just by looking at the work accomplished by Cable, a new D line coach and other assistants could possibly add some life and proper coaching.
I do want Ryan gone, but whatever decisions are made I’m going to support.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Jaysohn,
Appreciate your sentiment but to some extent, we do know. We all know Al is a control freak, that he is way past his prime and apparently just can’t let go of the reins. I can’t believe the comment he made about his “influence” over the D but that RR would have autonomy. Does he actually expect us to believe that load of crap?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Raider Nation be prepeared for more losing seasons till the man Mr. Burns, (al davis) steps down and gives over the reins….
January 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
jay
yes we should believe that load of crap b/c bhp said he was right there and al told him he just said that to get a rise out of the media, there is no way al would ever tell a coach what to do, he just sits back and lets him run the system he wants, and after a few years, the guy is let go if the system he wants to run isn’t working…yeah f’n right
January 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
You are going to sit here and spew this bullsh*t.
If Jerry Jones doesn’t want a specific offense or defense run, I guarantee you it won’t happen. Al’s not the only owner in the NFL who’s hands on.
However, Al’s the only owner who’s knowledgable about everything related to football.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Keith Millard has to drive Rob Ryan to work every morning. Why?
Because Rob Ryan would lose direction and miss the junction.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Has anyone in here ever heard Kiffin say, not anyone else but heard or read Kiffin say in his own words that he prefers the cover2? If he didn’t say it then how do you know that he prefers it. Because the media told you?
And that my friends is MY point. You guy’s read stuff and take it as gospel. Until KIFFIN says I want to use the cover2 on defense then YOU DON”T KNOW.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
There’s always been a coaching tradition of an assistant driving the coach to work whether it’s pro sports or college.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Jayson, BHP,
I didn’t fall off the turnip truck this morning, ok?
I’ve been doing this 43 yrs. This schit doesn’t just come out of a vacuum.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
yes jeremy, i don’t have a problem with him getting a coach to run a system he likes, especially if he were like jerry jones and gave the guy a chance before passing judgement…ryan had 1 bad year in the 3-4, now by contrast, how many seasons has he had als’ defensive preference, and where has it gotten us?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
scottish raider, what did the ryan family do to you? not sign an autograph? not have a beer with you? what?
raiderwill, are you suggesting that wherever ryan goes from here on out he will only be interested in/capable of running the 3-4? that’s his defense, he has no other choice but to run a 3-4? so coaches who work for monte, or dungy, or smith can only land jobs who’s d is a primary cover 2? etc…
i just want kiffin to be able to hire his own d-cord. if he wants to keep ryan, fine, if he wants someone else, let him bring him in. i want kiffin as our head coach, not a glorified o-cord.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
That statement is so vague….Ryan is still gone in my humble speculation….:)
January 4th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
BHP:
I don’t always agree with you, but I love your point on this.
Until the playoffs and Super Bowl are over and things calm down, we’ll have no clue as to what’s really going on in with our team.
We’ll hear snippets about possibilities and everyone will use this to come up with multiple interesting comments and some will be just stupid assh*oles.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
yes bs, that’s what they do, unless they go be assistants and learn the defense first, ryan came from belichecks 3-4 defense, that’s what he knows, why do you think mangini wants him? they run the same system. it’s a natural fit. the attacking angles, the type of defensive lineman and linebackers you look for in a 3-4 vs a 4-3 are different, especially the outside linebackers. it’s a disadvantage for ryan to run this style of defense..dungys proteges run the cover 2 why? because that’s what they know and that’s what they are successful at
January 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Yeah, I’d agree with that. Big Al’s gonna get his pound of flesh for Ryan.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Ryan seems to have problems teaching the basics and playing aggressively. The Raiders defense can’t consistently get pressure, shed blocks, make tackles, and take good angles on runners/receivers. I think the problem is team wide although there are obviously some individuals that exhibit this tendency more than others. I think its a little bothersome that the “players” are so into a defensive coordinator that has so few results to show for his time as a DC. I would rather have someone a little less liked and a lot more productive. Despite all of the cheerleading regarding Ryan, the defense won’t really play hard for him, consistently.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Will, what I said was I think it insures Kiffins overall success AT THIS POINT, to not really have to set up an entire defensive football team from the ground up. That’s an awful lot of responsiblity for someone who has NEVER been a head coach on any level AND CONTINUE with the offensive, coaching, media, and organizational personnel issues. Not having to worry about that at this point, may not be the worst thing. Look at what happened in SF. They took responsibilites AWAY from Nolan, not gave him more. Waaaay more. JMHO.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
the only dungy protege who broke tradtion was mike tomlin when he elected to keep dick lebeau and the pittsburg 3-4 defense intact, and that was smart coaching, because he had the personnell for a 3-4, a defensive coordinator who specializes in it, and a very successful situation to walk into, but for the most part, coaches..offensive and defensive come in and change the defense to their style, and draft/acquire the neccessary players to make it work
January 4th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Bs, I just hate frauds.
Rob Ryan is a fraud because he pretends he is still good enough to coach in the pros.
Alzheimer Davis is a fraud because he dribbles on about ‘commitment to excellent’ but is really only interested in feeding his delusional nostalgia.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
oakglenn,
respect your opinion on that, but if i may…the responsibilites they took away from nolan were the gm responsibilites, not his influence over on field coaching philosophies no matter which side of the ball
January 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Raiderwill, that was very confused #92 read it see if you can make sense of it.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
i just think you are pigeonholing ryan, and every other coach for that matter, to a defense they were asistants in. i think a good defensive minded coach is capable of tweaking/adjusting/modifying their defense to what they want and what works for them at the present time. dungy is only capable of running a cover 2? monte too? monte has even stated this year that he doesn’t run a cover 2 that much anymore because offenses are learning how to beat it.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
EVERYBODY IS A FAILURE WHO COACHES ARIZONA!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Raiderwill1980 Good point about the 3-4 that Ryan likes to run.Chris Longs strength is the 3-4.Draft clue?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
respect that opinion bs, i just know if i were to coordinate or coach a team, if my philosophy is one i believed in…especially one i had success in, i would want every opportunity to run that system, instead of beind placed in charge of a product, and try to adjust my philosophy to what i have..the whole point is to build on what you know is it not? if you are an offensive coach, and you believe in a passing game..if you don’t have the personnell intially, you go and get it instead of trying to be a running team right?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Either way the situation, like always, was handled very poorly.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Chill out, bunch of cry babies. Nothing is official yet.
It already had been reported Rob Ryan was fired as Raiders defensive coordinator.
The statement is only clear on one thing..
The Raiders want the media to stop saying Ryan has been fired or might be.
Remember, Art Shell? There were premature reports folowed by a similar statement from the raiders and then guess what…
he was fired.
Wait for Lane Kiffin to say something in support of Ryan. He’s called the defense a disappointment.
It’ll be interesting to see what Kiffin says about Ryan whenever he speaks publicly again.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I still think Kiff and Al have a plan in place that was longer than 1 year. Although the need NOW is on the defensive side Kiff was brought in to fix the O. I could see them keeping Ryan for another year to see if the players step up they’re game for the coach, then Kiffin goes offense in the draft and FA. Will you really be that shocked if we take Jake Long or McFadden and then trade our second rounder for someone like Devery Henderson and a 4th or 5th? His career is forever linked to Jamarcus and getting him support the first couple of years is the priority. It’s just as easy to say in those close to games to score more would have been just as important as making a stop.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Blood I don’t agree with that. Most of what you say is right, however, possibly the biggest problem with the Raider defense is over aggression and over pursuit. Guys vacate their positions to make plays, and we all know what happens next. Hence why the Denvers and Kansas Shitty’s and San Diego’s have field days on us. I also wouldn’t agree they don’t show results and don’t play hard. Where I completely agree is they don’t shed blocks,they don’t get pressure, they don’t make tackles. Kiffin will tell ya the same thing. That to me is more player than coach. Honestly.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I’m not liking the way this one is smelling, if true.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
jj,
you are a crybaby.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Wow, the quality of the posts sure had dropped. It used to be full of straw-man rebuttals and made up facts, now it is statements of motivation with no evidence at all other than previous statements of motivation with no evidence at all. A quote from my dead grandfather to everybody that KNOWS what Davis/Kiffin/Ryan think/want/feel: “The first thing you know, you don’t know nothin’.” It took me a long time to know that much.
By the by, for the love of god, you can’t trade an unrestricted free agent!
The combine can’t get here fast enough. At that point, the excellent posts about specific players will hopefully recommence (especially later round draft candidates).
January 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
You al haters crack me up. How many flies on walls post in here cause I wanna know who has the inside scoop. Oh yeah none of you. Ryan could be gone next week or he could be here next year. Take a chill pill people and just wait to see what goes down
January 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I just hope Kiffin is down with this move…otherwise…
On a positive note, changing DC’s could…could…be a setback of sorts for a team yearning for continuity…and with the retirement of Sapp, who limited defensive scheme options with his limitations of being a 3-technique tackle only, maybe we see a change in approach defensively for Ryan.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Doh!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
“mike tomlin when he elected to keep dick lebeau and the pittsburg 3-4 defense intact”
thats’s my point raiderwill, rob ryan (or any coach) may very well stay with a 3-4 his entire life (once he leaves the raiders), but he may not, he might feel that how the nfl is evolving, the conference/division he is in, the personnel he has, he may want to run something other than the 3-4.
just because someone moves up the ranks in a certain phiolosophy, doesn’t mean it is always their preferred philosophy forever. buy ryan did want to run the 3-4 when he got here, so i feel what you are saying.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Over pursuing is one thing, nobody watching the backside is another. That’s coaching.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
“By the by, for the love of god, you can’t trade an unrestricted free agent!”
badmoodguy,
yes you can!!!
if the raiders want to trade asomugha all they have to do is franchise him and work out a trade with another team.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
OMG! This means Al Davis is in control! Kiffin is a puppet, he wanted someone else! We’re going to screw up the draft! It’s raining and it’s all Al Davis’ fault!
January 4th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
here’s the deal. I gave big Al a call yesterday and let him know he was firing the wrong coach. Rob Ryan knows football. Lil Kif is a phoney. Lil Kif must go. Keep the zone blocking. Lose the phoney.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
BadMood,
Because the decision to retain Ryan (if it is indeed correct) is more profound and will have more impact than whoever we draft or whoever we sign in FA.
In four years, Rob Ryan has failed to demonstrate that he has the ability to organise and motivate a defense of the required standard. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he will be any better in 2008.
Our defense is disorganised, inconsistent, ill-disciplined and basically ineffective. Ryan IS responsible and, if we don’t replace him, we are condemned to another season of mediocrity. Even Glenn Dorsey and Chris Log would fail with Rob Ryan.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I remember how the players marched up to Al’s office in support of Joe Bugel. He said he’s learned that lesson.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Great news! We just need better players.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Bs I don’t know you from Adam and I don’t recall you whinning much but now I see from your response that you assume yourself to be the biggest cry baby and projector in the room thus far.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Oakglenn, i didnt agree with you much this year but you might have made the right call on Ryan. I wouldnt be surprised with Al wrestle something or try to stick it to Mangini. Ryan will probably be gone next week. If the Raiders really wanted to keep Ryan they would have clearly said he is staying. Bring on Morris baby. We are already built that way.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell - What lesson?
January 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Whoa, I think everybody just needs to calm down. The bottom line is we don’t know jack squat about anything right now. All the name calling and insults toward one another are uncalled for.
We don’t really know what’s gonna happen until some teams start getting eliminated from the playoffs, and really not until after the Superbowl.
What this sounds like to me is a classic case of PR. Rob Ryan is well liked by his players and as of yet, no suitable replacement has been found. So yes…
“The recent conjecture regarding the removal of Rob Ryan is incorrect and the constant barrage of rumors is irresponsible.”
Does that mean that Rob Ryan will be the DC at the start of next football season. NO! It just means exactly what it says, that as of now Rob Ryan has not been fired. That’s all that statement says, nothing more, nothing less. And any responsible, professional, sports organization will always try to present a UNITED FRONT to the media, while they handle whatever turmoil may be going on within the organization in an ‘IN HOUSE’ manner. Period.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Not listening to players on coaching decisions.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
jj,
i just like throwing it back at folks, no need for you to come in here and say ‘bunch of crybabies’, no one knows who you are talking about. call me a crybaby, that’s fine, but ‘bunch of crybabies’ like you are talking to everyone here? please.
January 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
kush
what convo is there without drawing our on conclusions and commenting on them? that’s what we fans do
January 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
should say own conclusions
January 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Your right Bs, I like tossing it around myself, no hard feelings?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
that comment doesn’t say to me that Rob Ryan will definitely be back as DC. It says that the Raiders want the rumors to stop.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
exactly Jerred
January 4th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Yeah, stating an opinion is one thing. Insulting someone else when they state theirs is another. And arguing as if any of us know for a fact what’s gonna happen is even more ridiculous.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
problem is, rumors never stop, that’s how journalists keep their name out there.they draw up rumors and put out articles, and if it catches a little spark, it catches fire
January 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Al, I appreciate you saying that, no hard feelings believe me. Just between you and me, stranger things have happened than us trading Ryan once TB is eliminated.
KK, the guys with contain, watching the backside is the one overpursuing. The DE’s waay put themselves out of position to make a play. You can’t blame that on Ryan, you are taught that in Pop Warner.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
i don’t recall the team putting out anything like that reguarding any of the kiffin to college rumors
January 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
oakglenn
i don’t disagree with you at all about philiosphy and fundamental football, you know your stuff, props where they are due….but don’t u think mental toughness and accountability come from coaching? the coach has to preach that, and repercussions should be made for the players who can’t follow their assignment
January 4th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Lil’ Kif’s job is in jeopardy. Al doesn’t appreciate the way that phoney is running his mouth.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Raiderwil1980 - True that.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Any lawyers on this board, care to break down the statement into regular English?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Midnight in Edinburgh and my final post of a very depressing evening.
I have sadly come to the conclusion that the Raiders will only return to greatness when Al Davis is dead. He no longer has the skills, the instincts or the judgement to effectively lead this franchise. All that is left is idiosyncracy and delusion.
This isn’t PR, this is the dysfunctional spasming of a failing organisation.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
BHP is right, you all are a bunch of sucka’s! I laugh out loud when I read some of the posts up on this blog. Some of you are completely clueless about the most basic football fundamentals. Deep down you know who you are.
None of you know a damn thing about football, but go ahead and keep pretending that you do. It’s sad when people believe that their own BullSh!t is the way it is!
Preach on BHP preach on!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Scottish, I am seriously considering flying out to Edinburgh to slap the taste out of your mouth. Al Davis inventeded football. SHOW SOME RESPECT.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Irish, Scottish, English whatever the hell your name is -
your last post appeared to be dysfunctional spasming of a failing argument. Let it go, contrary to popular belief you are not as smart or as informed as you have convinced yourself to be! Now be gone…
January 4th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
amen Warren
January 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I have to agree with Grant when he said that evryone loved Ryan when the D was #3. The D underperformed and Sands took his money and ran. Ryan called some right schemes to play…it is not him missing tackels, not him getting stiff armed into the end zone, etc…If Ryan stays or goes…so what? I am a fan that (don’t get me wrong, I hate losing) no matter what, I will support what happens because I, along with everyone on here, is not the owner of the team!!! I like the idea of the cover 2, but that may take longer because we need the players to execute…hmmm…EXECUTE!!! WHoever the DC is in 2008, I hope that this will get fixed…
January 4th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
LARDR76 u do realize D.Burgess played most tha season at 70% right…. and if not for him missing a few games with injury he’d have had another 10+ sack season….
January 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
jj,
nope.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
nope meaning…nope, no hard feelings. just to clarify.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
All this means is Monte Jr., Al and Ryan are going to change to the 3/4 defense next year. Ryan came in with that intention and Al signed Sapp (who could not play in the 3/4). Now Sapp is gone and Monte Jr./Ryan can go ahead and implement their scheme…
We need a good draft and to sign key players and we’ll be alright. Anyone seen our schedule next year. Based on records this is the easiest schedule I have ever seen for the Raiders. Only 3 teams with winning records…
I see us winning at least 9 games next year with the development of Russell and the rest of the offense. I think we’re ahead of denver and kc and not far from dego…
Everyone relax and get ready for the combine, draft, ota’s, etc…We’ll be back…
Born In!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
aight, i’m off now, goodnight fellas, we can argue from here to kingdom come, and lord knows, fingers or verbally i’m long winded lol, but bottom line, winning cures all ills, we all want to win and just have different opinions on how it should be done, i enjoy the debates, we’re all passionate and i like that, till next time fellas…..
January 4th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
12-12-07
For $30.00 I will give you some secret information, and I’ve never been right (oops i meant wrong. This is a 100% guarantee..so give me your money.
Rob Ryan will be fired at the end of the season.
LOL! wrong again.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Get this through your dense little skulls…
None of you know jack squat about football except for my boy BHP!
Got it?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
BHP’s Sidekick Chester Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
“BHP is right, you all are a bunch of sucka’s!”
“None of you know a damn thing about football”
—
bhp’s sidekick chester,
you are a sucka. you don’t know a damn thing about football.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Count me as one guy who will be very disappointed if Ryan does stick around. He believe he has done a good job, but he has not. Worse, his players also mistakenly believe he has done a good job. If he stays, it’ll get worse before it gets better.
That said, I am not sure about the Tampa 2 defense here, with the safeties outside and the MLB also responsible deep. Been thinking about it a lot. Our OLBs have great speed so they’d be a fit, but MLB Kirk Morrison does not have that dropback speed to be the middle deep-guy.
We could try Cover-2 instead of Tampa-2 (deep safeties responsible for half the field, LBs and CBs responsible for 1/5ths), it’d be perfect for Morrison, but then we are wasting the speed of our OLBs and especially our CBs.
Try as we might, we’re going to have a hard time justifying a zone defense with Asomugha, Washington, and Routt as our top 3 guys. Of the three, only Asomugha tackles well. I’d love to re-sign Asomugha, but top-CB money is too much to pay for a largely-zone defense. Whether we keep Asomugha or not, we are probably better off sticking with a man-base, mixing in zone situationally, and focusing on personnel improvements.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Bs
you don’t have a clue sucka!
At least your name is honest cuz thats all you spew is BS!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
BHP’s Sidekick Chester Says:
None of you know jack squat about football except for my boy BHP!
—
lol. wonder who that is…maybe huff24? any guesses?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
kk?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
bs Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
BHP’s Sidekick Chester Says:
None of you know jack squat about football except for my boy BHP!
—
lol. wonder who that is…maybe huff24? any guesses?
-
I wonder who that is, oh yeah I already know: A heaping, steamy pile of BS!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
please keep it up bhp’s b!tch, i needa good laugh now and then.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
sh!t me too. Why do you think I actually read this crap? Y’all crack me up!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Why would anyone in their right mind claim to be BHP’s sidekick? That dude is the most arrogant, “know it all” blowhard on this blog!
Hey Chester get your head outta BHP’s a$$ ok?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
ryan is a pretty good defensive coach however he is not so good on the run,i dont think you we should fire him yet give him a chance tell him either make the run defence stronger or next year will be your last.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
The Raiders corner’s better bulk up for next season because they will pressured into a physical style of defence. These style of defence is a much needed change and should provide the defence with more 3 and outs. The Raiders Know they can play man to man quite well lets see what cover 2 brings.
Has any team played covers 2 and man to man defence in the same games? Will it be exclusively cover 2 ?
I did feel The Raiders played man to man well,but Washington( washington may be to small), and Routt needed to be more physical at the line. Maybe they will take a closer look at that as well.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Scottish Raider… you were anointed the “unofficial GM” of the Raiders but you sound like you’ve drank way too much ale…. dry out and see how you feel about it in the morning. Ryan will be just fine as our DC if Al gets him the players like the 1985 Bears Defense had. OK - that is how we will attack free agency and the draft. I’m pissed that out of the last 9 first round picks only 1 (Nnamdi) is a game changer.
Thats what needs to change Scottish Raider, is the talent we draft.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
guess we all are here to entertain each other.
raider nation,
on average…how many times a day do you press f5 on this blog?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hey WTF? -
WTF man?
January 4th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Bs…I read your post #124..
I looked up the last place where Ryan called the shots as DC, that´s Oklahoma State for 3 years from 97 to 99 and Ryan ran a succesfull Defense out of the 4-3 front.
Like you said, the fact he was a position coach for NE does not mean he´s married to their scheme, he´s had experience running a different style before so he may have ditched the 3-4 for what he figured would work better, it´s not like he set up the 4-3 out of nowhere. Still stunk by the way.
January 4th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Suckers!! The overpaid, overhyped media bozos fed you a line of crap and you bought it, hook, line and sinker. These jock sniffing bitches will report anything if it gives them the sensation of being an “insider” or “in the know”. Mainstream media is no more reliable these days than the tabloids. (and most of the time the tabs are more accurate)Think about what was said….”Ryan was told before Sundays game..”
Bullsh#t! “Ryan out in Oakland,source says.” (SJ Mercury) These guys (and girls) think that they are just as important as the Game itself. If you cross them it’s like a woman scorned.(ADAM SCHeFTER) Now everyone is salivating over the prospect of bringing Laney’s daddy to the table. Gruden was pissed at Al for bitchin’ his old man out after a game and he never got over it.What do you think would happen if we brought in this fossil and he didn’t like something Al said.Rob Ryan has 2 SB rings..let him put in the 3-4 and see what happens, especially with Sapp gone. Don’t you remember Long,Pickel and Townsend? They kicked ass.
If the 3-4 fails then ship him out. Cover 2 is for tampons…I’ve been “in” since I was a gradeschooler in Alameda in 1965 and I’m a Raider fan BECAUSE we throw deep and go mam to man, That’s what the Raiders are about.In my mind, we need both lines to be stellar, that’s where it starts.We need the 2nd coming of Marv Hubbard to compliment the backs we have.And we need another Aso for the other side.Throw in 2 fast WR’s and pray that Jamarcus is smarter than he looks.(I mean c’mon,McClown and Greenpepper both nailed down the playbook in a matter of a few weeks,and in week 14 we’re giving JRUSS a limited # of plays to run because he doesn’t have the whole playbook down yet.Just cuz you’re not in camp doesn’t mean you didn’t have a copy of the playbook.) Raiders to the end,WIN OR LOSE!!!
January 4th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
bs 25+
January 4th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
DAMN!!! I was so excited to see Rob Ryan go - The Jets are not going to give picks for Rob Ryan, no freaking way. Cash, on the other hand, they might cough up, and we all know how Davis refuses to give up something without getting a little something in return. He’s especially cheap with Coaches and front office personnel - players he will pay, everyone else he feels comes right out of his pocket, and he’s freaking cheap.
If Davis gets cash out of the deal, so be it, but it better happen fast…these things aren’t good for team morale, especially when it concerns the players favorite coach. There’s no way these rumors fly from all these sources without there being some truth to it (e.g. Kiffin wants him gone). This is terrible for team chemistry and basically ensures Kiffin will be gone at the end of his contract. There’s no way a scheme guy like Kiffin puts up with Ryan’s Man-to-Man D by his own free will.
When Kiff was brought on board, he said he wanted to change the losing culture, and the first way you do that is to purge the entire staff and start new. I’m sure he wanted to fire Ryan when he got hired because nobody in the new school runs a man D and Kiff is a legacy of the Cover 2 and Ryan was part of the losing culture. He knew the turnaround was going to take more than a year, so I guess he probably figured he could fight that battle after the season if the D failed to live up to expectations. Now that the D has been exposed as an abject failure, how could Kiff want to bring back Ryan? No way. Ryan also undermines Kiff’s authority as a previous candidate for the Head Coaching position with the Raiders, and a favorite of the players because he doesn’t throw them under the bus and thinks every last one of them is “great”. Even Moses who got cut by three teams and didn’t do jack all year.
Man D stinks as the base package and will for the rest of football eternity - the passing schemes are too modern, receivers are too big, you can always find a mismatch (e.g. fabian v. any tall WR) and the blocking schemes prevent the four man rush from doing anything. You can run shotgun with Three Wide Recievers all day long without fear of getting pressure on the QB because he will have 7 blockers availalbe to pick up the loose pieces. Eventually, somebody gets open, if not, you dump it off to a RB. This scheme stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks. It’s not even a scheme, it’s a bush league pop warner defense.
If Rob Ryan is coming back, he better bust out the New England 3-4 and Al better shell out serious bucks for FA’s and find some gems in the draft. I don’t think I can watch another season of this garbage man defense loose us games.
I understood bringing him back the last two years. He had almost nothing to work with talent wise. This year he had his chance and it stunk. Fabian Washington is not able to cover Terrel Owens, Brandon Marshall, Chris Chambers, etc. etc. one on one. This is so dman obvious it’s painful. We might as well march the same 11 out there again next year and draft all offense because we’re going to need to throw up 40 points a game to win against anybody good.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
WTF …The Terrapin was had by the media …eff ‘em all! Effin rumor mongers! …oh well, now I know not to trust anything unless it comes from the RAIDERS organization itself.
Oh well …whatever. Still don’t know who’s in or who’s out. Well see shortly I reckon. But I’ll verify with the Raiders official website of course before believing it.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Nowhere in this statement it says Ryan stays. Instead reading between the lines I think Raiders wanna make sure they can get Raheem Morris first before punting Buddy’s fat boy.
“The recent conjecture regarding the removal of Rob Ryan is incorrect and the constant barrage of rumors is irresponsible. The Raiders organization stated that the speculation that Rob Ryan will be relieve of his duties should stop.
But if Buddy’s fat boy stays then Al needs to be committed not to excellence but to nearest mental assylem for NFL has-beens.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
SilverSurfer
If you really like the Raiders, you want them to win, in fact, “just win, baby”. That old school man defense is just as outdated as Art Shell’s “Vertical” Offense, which sucked in the 1980’s and 90’s when we ran it then with HOFers across the board. Those days are gone. Free Agency, Salary Cap, Scouting Departments that are better than ours, and modern schemes designed to beat the living sh*t out of man defenses.
Another Asomugha? So we have to spend 160 million (20 mill a year) on CB’s if we can even find them? What happens when they go four wide? Do we get four Asomugha’s? I loved Hayes and Haynes, and the old scheme back in the day, but you just can’t monopolize the talent like Al used to. Those Glory Days are long gone, now we need to implement schemes that hide players so we can save money at some positions to pay it to more important positions. Zone Blocking Scheme, cheaper, interchangable lineman and cheaper interchagable RB = $ for QB, WR, and TE. Cover 2. Cheap CB’s (the most expensive players on the field), Cheaper MLB/SLB (small and fast), Cheaper SS = $ for D line, WLB, and FS.
And how does Rob Ryan have any credibility if he tries to implement a 3-4 now? He tried it when he got here and proved he was an idiot then (Brayton and Irons at OLB???? Sapp at DE????), and he’s an idiot now for running Davis’ defense. If he started building a 3-4 when he got here it would be just about done by now. It will take us 3 years to acquire the talent we need to field a decent 3-4 D. Howard isn’t built for the 3-4, we don’t have another OLB (unless Burgess can play it), we don’t have a NT, and we’re still short two DB’s. Also, Burgess isn’t built at DE for the 3-4 and the DE’s need to be studs, so the whole defense would be a joke.
FIRE RYAN. Go to Cover 2. Trade Nnamdi for picks or D line help. Win Games.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
jedi Raider you have completely described the Cincinnati Bengals … you really want us to be like them???
January 4th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
If Rob Ryan is really staying I hope we can sign Rex to come in and help him. If it is a ploy to get something out of the Jets, then even if we could get a 3 we would be getting something for nothing. Whatever is going on I hope that we come to the realization that there is serious problems on the defense that have to get fixed for us to have a chance. Like nobody being there to contain a play when the runner cuts back, DT’s that can’t always hold their ground, and safeties who miss tackles and turn 6 or 7 yard gains into 20+yrds. Even if Ryan has responsibility for the break downs, I hope that he can recognize his mistakes and improve.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
What modern passing schemes are you talking about. There’s no passing scheme that man definitely is weak against. Jediraider you can play zone in some situations that call for it. As we already do we play cover2 when the coaches feel it’s needed and we play man mostly because of the versatility of it.
You guy’s are of the opinion that if we go to a cover2 that all of a sudden we will start blitzing every down. Let me tell you Tampa very rarely blitzes.
this isn’t Pittsburgh. The cover2 is a very good defense but it’s not the panacea for defensive football in the NFL.
I personally am not against it or for it. I just want to win. And I think we will with whatever defense they run next year. BTW man defense requires more talented personnel than a cover2. If Ryan stays I’ll be happen for the continuity. If he goes I like the kid down in Tampa. So we’ll see.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
If he stays then who’s decision was it? If Kiffin wanted him out but Davis overruled him then this ain’t gonna be good news… was kind of looking forward to going Tampa 2 on defense too.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
This would have been a good April fools joke but its Jan
January 4th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
The thing that makes for great pass coverage, whether man or zone, is great pass rushers. If we could get Chris Long to bookend with Burges our pass coverage would immideatly get better. He couldn’t stop the run all by himself though.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
no, the cover 2 isn’t a blitz happy defense, it’s a zone principal defense, whoever thinks it’s a blitz happy system is misinformed. i however maintain whatever defense we go with, kiffin needs to be behind it, if it’s not “the groceries” he wants, then what’s the point? he is the head coach, and his job is to make sure the offense, defense and special teams are all up to par, so if he feels a 3-4, cover 2, 43-/3-4 combo or any other defense is what we should go with, i say it should be his decision. the w-l record is his, and he shouldn’t be held accountable if it’s not what he wants, same problem i have with the one and done of ryans 3-4 scheme..should’ve let him go then if we were going to change philosophies
January 4th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
BHP’s Sidekick Chester Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
BHP is right, you all are a bunch of sucka’s! I laugh out loud when I read some of the posts up on this blog. Some of you are completely clueless about the most basic football fundamentals. Deep down you know who you are.
None of you know a damn thing about football, but go ahead and keep pretending that you do. It’s sad when people believe that their own BullSh!t is the way it is!
Preach on BHP preach on!
Why don’t you go to a bed and breakfeast with him.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
All those flunkies in the Raiders Public Relations Dept certainly know how to handle the press don’t they?
The Raiders can’t seem to handle their business with any class these days.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
This is a smokescreen. Remember last year the Raiders issued a statement regarding Art Shell NOT being fired and blasted Schefter at the same time…
Well we all know what happened at the end of the season. We dont have a 3rd round pic right now but I bet the Jets have one for us if they want RR.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
will1980..post 178.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
wasn’t aware of that fact marley, that’s good info,and if that’s the case, fire his ass now. he’s failed at a defense he has a background in
January 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
It gets out in the media that Kiffin wants Ryan out. They both twist in the wind until todays weird statement was issued, prompted by the neighbors complaining about the smell. Then flunky, Mike Taylor, puts out that ridiculous statement. Nothing but Weird, definitely not professional.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I prefer the blitz 3-4…we don’t have the personnel, and we’re not even close. I’m describing the Tampa 2, which is the number 2 D in the NFL. Cincy has no leadership and a bunch of dirt bag lazy players, I’d never want to be like them. Also, their Def. Coord. was Chuck Breshnehan, the loser we used to have who ran the famed “sticks” defense where all our players lined up on third down at the first down marker because his defensive scheme sucked so bad he couldn’t stop a screen pass.
I went off in previous posts about implementing the Tampa 2 or any other scheme and why Man D stinks. I’ll summarize: First and foremost, it’s impossible to stockpile 11 pro-bowl caliber players on one side of the ball, and if do, you won’t have money left to pay the offense. Eventually, the talent gets depleted (Ravens) if you don’t build a specific system and draft/acquire players to fit it, and keep the foundation in place while you plug in the less important roles. Second, the man scheme is flawed against modern offenses that use multiple sets to create mismatches (e.g. fabian washington on any reciever 6′2″ or taller), and someone always gets open if you run crossing routes. It’s worse when you don’t know what to expect or the running game is working, because the LB’s have to honor the play action and let the RB’s, TE’s or Slot recievers get a step on them. Third, the reason teams run on us so well, is it does’t take much to motion a reciever across the formation, watch the cornerback follow him, and then run to the other side (by the way, the reciever will take out the DE while the Gaurd pulls and and the Tackle attacks the LB, thus totally eliminating one side of the D). Also, in draw or delayed runs, the DB’s and LB’s are chasing their man, with their backs to the ball, and then are expected to recogize run (apparently with the eyes in the back of their heads) and maintain gap assignments. By virtue of covering your man, you leave your assigned gap, thus creating gaping holes in the defense, cut back lanes, and bad tackling angles for everyone but the deep safety (stu or Hiram) who has to come up and make a tackle from 15 yards down the field.
Man D cannot be the base defense - it’s totally obvious and easy to beat. Run a cover 2, disguise it a little bit by running some man (even cover 2 teams run man and other zone packages 40% of the time) and mix in some blitzes and blitz looks to make the QB think, and we’re good. Get a good Tampa 2 teacher and the right personnel (we’re reasonably close) and the D won’t be so damn pitiful in the run game because everybody will be facing the ball instead of running away from it which will help our DB’s and LB’s make plays on the ball in the pass and run game.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
JediRaider
The Pakcers play man coverage almost exclusively and they are doing fine, just like Miami did recently under Jim Bates and they were stout every year they did.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
JediRaider
The Pakcers play man coverage almost exclusively and they are doing fine, just like Miami did recently under Jim Bates and they were stout every year they did.
Well we have not been, = time for change.
January 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Than being said, I´m for cover 2 as base D as well.
January 4th