Raiders response
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, January 31st, 2008 at 11:19 am in Oakland Raiders.
Here is how Raiders senior executive John Herrera responded to my report that James Lofton agreed to terms to join the Raiders coaching staff, with coach Lane Kiffin receiving the information through a third party:
“Lane and Greg Knapp interviewed James. He was turned over to the organization to Al (Davis) for the contract part of it, and Lane knew that if the organization could agree to terms that James wold be on board. We haven’t finalized an agreement. We hope to in the next few days. The statement that Lane didn’t know about it is untrue. It’s totally false. He did know about it. He doesn’t want to get caught up in the situation where he is more caught up in responding to rumors than he is coaching the football team.”
Herrera said he spoke to Kiffin, that Kiffin called the report untrue, and that Kiffin would not make any public comment on the matter.
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January 31st, 2008 at 11:21 am
I figured this much when I read your report late lastnight Jerry.
At this point Jerry I dont believe anything from you or the media but I do enjoy your blog.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:21 am
lol
January 31st, 2008 at 11:21 am
So maybe you will have to punch your so called “SOURCE” in the face, and stop believing him huh!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Now what do you have to say?
This has turned from the best melodrama in the NFL to the best comedy. Thanks for the laughs guys.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Jerry, defend your sources or quit using them.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Looks like my source might be right after all.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Unless John Herrera is lying….
January 31st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Dakota, who are the Lakers losing too tonight ?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am
shawnraiders81 Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Per Raiderfans.net premium forum, “insider info.”
James Lofton has been hired by coach Kiffin and Al Davis know’s about it. Kiffin still has a good chance of being bought out of his contract and not being the HC of the Raiders next year.”
Your guess is as good as mine.
Sorry to keep posting it Jerry….
Love Raiderfans.net
January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am
can anyone say flip flop?
How come everybody always loses their head based on nonsense rumors. Everybody is sooo quick to trip. I bet some of you feel pretty stupid, if you don’t you should!
Props to Bob, Oakglenn, Raider Dogg and GG for keeping a cool head as usual. You guys deserve credit where it is due.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Withdrawal symptoms must be setting in for all of the Al bashers out there about now.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Pistons…it might get ugly for the next two weeks…9 game road trip.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:27 am
it’s all sort of hilarious. makes you wonder if some inside source is just having a great time yanking everyone’s chains: the reporters, the Raiders’ organization, and us the fans.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:27 am
Although the On premium Raiderfans.net info sources, still do say that Al Davis is trying to buy out Kiffin still. SO they are still on the same page there.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:28 am
*on the* LoL
January 31st, 2008 at 11:28 am
I told you so… that was not just a tea time meeting
January 31st, 2008 at 11:29 am
Oh, John Herrera said it is not true so we can take his word for it…right…Kiffin is as good as gone.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 11:27 am
“Pistons…it might get ugly for the next two weeks…9 game road trip.”
Wow bro, not much confidence in the Lakeshow these days eh? There is plenty of room on the GSW bandwagon. Plus refreshments and hors d’ouvres.
Thanks for the props Acey.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt
None of you were wrong, Herrera and everyone else is lying unless it suits your argument, then its true dammit!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am
haahah i dont know whats going on anymore. i should just hibernate and come back for the new football season and see how much has changed.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am
J-Russ, sorry man, your career is bound to be sidetracked by Al’s insanity. I foresee a different coach and system every two to three years in your future. Ask Tim Brown about how that works out.
You might as well do a few lines of coke with Michael Irvin at T.O.’s Super Bowl Party.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Here is what I think for what it’s worth.
Al Davis is trying to buyout Kiffin.
Kiffin DID interview Lofton.
Kiffin Was interested in college jobs and pissed Al off, Or wanted Ryan Gone and pissed Al off again.
Anyway I think Kiffin stays until next season. Even Al knows it’s to late to start a coaching search.
But this is Raider land who knows???
January 31st, 2008 at 11:33 am
What did we say??
Sorry to Repost:
K-Rock I’ll comment hopefully quickly. No Kiffin isn’t getting forced out. Would any one on this blog say Kiff did an exemplary job??? No. An exemplary job would be 10-6. He did an OK job. Absolutely. By doing an ok job, can he completely remake the franchise starting with the defense?? Ahhh, no.
The offense went from absolutely off the chart last to 25th in the NFL. There was improvement there. What Davis is doing is what any good boss or owner does. he gets his guys help. That’s what’s going on. Kiffin could use some NFL quality help on the offensive side, Davis made a phone call and here ya go. Here’s a Hall of Famer for ya. Pretty nice actually.
But don’t ever kid yourself. Davis brought in a guy to put some heat on Kiffin. He just lowered Kiff’s value, by bringing in a veteran player, a guy who was coached by Bill Walsh in college, some GB Packer greats as a pro, Marv Levy, amongst others. If anything does happen to kiff, you have a pretty solid guy waiting in the wings, ready to take over. Doesn’t seem like some manaical lunacy to me. Seems pretty damn smart to me. Public Service Announcement:
Give a Hoot. Read a book.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:34 am
This article and quote from Herrera still do not make it clear whether or not Kiffin is on board with a hiring of Lofton. Or if it’s Al’s baby, that Kiffin is being forced to accept. I’d like to think it’s the former, for harmony’s sake.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:35 am
I would love to see any poster on this blog admit that he or she was wrong about something, just once. I won’t hold my breath though.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:35 am
Shame on you Jerry!!! you are part of all this caos going on, with bad information. Please get the facts, before writing anything, you are making everything worst, don’t you get it? Unless you talk with John Herrera (who is the oficial voice of the raiders), Lane Kiffin or Mr. Al Davis, you should not write any speculations going on, period!
Thank you!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:36 am
I was wrong. After watching the Senior Bowl I now know Ellis is better than Jerry Ball.
Draft McFadden.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Chill Winston! (Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels)
This has turned into a Pointalist painting, with everyone pressing their noses ever closer to the colors until all is blurred and unrecognizable.
Step back and exhale…for you that burn tree this should be easy.
Allow the picture to come into focus.
The Raiders are hated…and we love our team for it.
The Pats are now trying to take that from us, as all the NFL is sick of them and hate them likewise.
This merely a little saber rattling to ensure we remain the team you either Hate or Love. There is no middle ground.
So allow the rattling, Davis is doing just enough to play mind games with ESPN and the NFL.
Hilarious stuff, it’s one week before the Super Bowl and we are one of the three teams talked about nationally, despite the fact we are not going to the Game. Brilliant Al! Each breath about the Raiders is one less comment being made about the Pats!
Keep it coming Al, and F^CK the Tuck!
Here’s looking to two Mannings keeping Brady from another Ring!!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Jerry, can you give Jamele Hill a message.
Tell her that her article about Moss quitting on the Raiders was ok because the Raiders are dysfunctional was the krappiest piece of Journalism I ever read and she should be relegated to covering the WNBA & Womens soccer and filling in for Jim Rome on holidays. Her opinions are no longer needed or welcome.
thanks Jerry
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Glenn,
Your PSA’s are killing me. Keep up the good work, man!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:38 am
If any of these reports were published in the National Enquirer (where they belong) would any of you still believe it as God’s gospel?
January 31st, 2008 at 11:40 am
Hell Yes, Ollie.
This is turning into some Weekly World News-type shtuff.
BAT BOY NAMED COACH OF RAIDERS!
AL DAVIS CONSULTS ALIEN TRIBUNAL!
January 31st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Dakota, is this you?.
http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438#disqus_thread
January 31st, 2008 at 11:42 am
The Raider Nation now believes none of what we read and only half of what we see.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:44 am
I refuse to believe anything from the media or the Raiders. All just food for thought and discussion. Whatever happens it will wok itself out.
I still remember the denials by the Raiders right up to when Jon Gruden’s plane landed in Tampa.
The truth will come out eventually.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Still got that Eddie Jones jersey Dakota? That bandana looks sweet bro.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Lowdown,
yeah we’re being talked about but, in completely ridiculing and dismissing fashion…is that good? I don’t think so. It lends toward good talent not wanting to come here.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Bob, hahahahaHAHAHA
January 31st, 2008 at 11:48 am
Which one of you is this:
http://straightcashhomey.net/post/24972480#disqus_thread
January 31st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Seems like a bad report surfaces, then the Raiders respond with just enough to cast doubt on the report.
Again, a bad report comes out, and once again the Raiders give JUST ENOUGH to cast doubt on the report.
Seems like the Raiders and the Media both enjoy the relationship they have fostered with each other.
Only the fans are suffering.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am
John S
I really hope no one, but I´m sure those guys have their #12 McCown´s by now.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am
I suppose that if you feel insecure about your place in this world you might feel that you have to respond to every rumor and innuendo casting aspersions on yourself. If you are, on the other hand, focused on something else, why bother? The Media have little ever of anything positive to say about the Nation so one might just learn to let it roll on without notice.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
there are so many intelligent raidersfans on this blog that would do a better job than the reporters- i look forward to readingthis daily- and am not adding much as most of my thoughts are usually covered by raiderdogg, coach on wheels, krock etc… this has been entertaining … but did you read howies description of his three sons??? predator….mauler etc!!! if there good enough lets get all of them one by one- that would be awesome!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Keep up the good work Jerry. It not your fault the Raiders don’t have the common decency to inform their customers of the happenings within the organization in a timely manner.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
NR Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
“Keep up the good work Jerry. It not your fault the Raiders don’t have the common decency to inform their customers of the happenings within the organization in a timely manner.”
Do you mean like the Patriots did after getting caught cheating? Caught red handed by the way not based on any rumors? You are on drugs if you think every team in the NFL would respond to every baseless rumors to balance the fragile psyche of its fanbase. Put the pipe down and get a grip!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
John Hererra should be running for President! He lies as good as any politician on the planet.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
What’s up all!
I dont post ever but I do enjoy reading all the post’s… This fiasco is driving me crazy, What the hell is going on out there?? I cant even work all I do is check every half hour on this. Jerry please keep up the good work but for Pete’s sake can you please punch your so called source in the face or is this just you getting the NATION all riled up. I would love to hear what are future J-Rock has to say since Morrison went on last night on ROME and backed up Kiff.
I’m IN
January 31st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
plausible deniability, wild speculation, and i’m sure, partial truth on both sides… welcome to the raider nation jamarcus russell and fellow 3rd or 4th overall pick, the ride hasn’t even started yet,the keys are just now in the ignition
January 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
If we drafted Chris Long we would have to draft a DT in the second rd which means we would’nt be able to draft a WR until the 4th rd unless we trade one or two fartasses we have Jordan, Stu, Sands Brayton and several others for a 3rd rdr which would be great for the Nation. A SS or two as well as a FS and RB in the later rds or undrafted FA steals will be nice to build our team since i doubt we will be able to sign a quality FA due to the recent fiasco with Kiff and Alvin. Do the best we can and leave the past where it is. Today is the start of Recommittment to Excellence.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I will be the first to admit that I was pissed about the rumors as they surfaced. Like many others I was ready to abandon ship had the rumors been true. That being said, it doesn’t change my view on Al Davis. With exception to our last super bowl appearance, we haven’t done squat and responsibility must fall on Al Davis. We made it to the SB with Gruden’s team, but more importantly, Gannon’s incredible play. Having a great QB and a team that believes they can win will always get you a decent season.
I know there is doubt over the current situation and many of us would lessen our support for the organization if Lane truly is gone. I don’t think this has as much to do with Lane as it does with repeat stupidity by Al Davis. We need momentum and progress and Al kills that whenever we get the wheels rolling.
The only way to end this madness is to have Al, Lane, and Rob on a televised press conference to ensure the Raider Nation that the team is moving on. They should admit their distrust in each other and differences in philosophy and that they have agreed to reconcile. Al should make this easy on us and give us the expectations. Such as, he should state that Lane will be given full control, live out his contract, and if he doesn’t win then he’s gone. That’s very fair and he tried to give that a half decent shot during the hiring but he’s already gone back on his word. I would be fine with Lane’s termination had he been given full control and couldn’t produce.
“I’m in, until the next B.S. John Herrera press release”
January 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
The source and Herrera could both be right you know.
The source could’ve heard second hand that Kiffin heard the signing was official through a 3rd party - turns out that 3rd party was probably wrong since the deal isn’t done.
So even if Kiffin heard it was done from a third party, who cares? It wasn’t done first of all, and second of all he knew that it could go either way depending on the contract.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I like how its a new story every day. Its like a daytime soap opera.
Thanks for the entertainment Jerry! :thumbsup:
January 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Any chance Al is waiting until post superbowl to interview someone from Giants or Pmen to be the HC?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Now stop bashing Jerry you fools!.
Maybe Jerry was catching some flack from the other local writters for being honest and taking a responsible stance…a no-no around the Bay.
Notice how quickly he checked back with official word, he may stand by his source and report, but doesn´t play deaf when he hears the other side.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Post 48, well said Raiderwill1980. The truth allways lays somewhere in the middle.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Who could we possibly want from the Patriots or G-Men? Spags is such a hot commodity that he’s not going to take a small check from Al. McDaniels is yound and wants a shot but he’s not going to put is in a better situation than Kiffin. Kiffin has proven that he can restore order and put the team in a position to win with limited talent.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Would someone please just come out with an article that talks about how bad the dolphins sucked this year and get off my man Lane? As long as we get some run stoppers and some GOOD recievers, I feel we can be a contender next season. GO RAIDERS!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:25 pm
MaineRaida,
Can’t remember a time we were NOT dismissed by the mass media…
It comes with our colors brother, we just fight on, and like Jerry Porter’s shirt in 2006, we give them the bird finger!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
It will be interesting over time to see if every move by the Dolphins GM is questioned… Is it really him pulling the strings or is Parcells meddling…Will the media treat it like they do AD the owner/GM or simply say well BP is qualified to do such things.
Bob Marley….Yeah…you have to Jerry credit as he does come back and update info even if it is contrary to an earlier article
January 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
From the Media:
-Lane wanted a college HC job
-Kiffin fired Ryan without telling Al
-Kiffin told Millard to look for a new job
-Rob Ryan is fired
-Rob Ryan is retained
-Lane Kiffin asked Al to fire him
-Al asked Lane to quit
-Al hired Lofton without Lane’s approval
From the Raiders:
-Ryan is under contract is will remain our DC
-Lane is excited to work with Ryan
-Ryan thinks he and Lane can get to the Superbowl
-Kiffin is under contract is is operating as usual
-Kirk Morrison endorses Kiffin
-The Raiders are working on Lofton’s contract with Lane’s approval
-The media is full of CA-CA
GO JAMARCUS!!!!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I’m interested in the Nation’s opinion of who we should draft. I love Sedrick Ellis or Chris Long. I just wonder if Rob Ryan is going to try and bring back the 3-4 in which case neither of these guys are a great fit. As it stands now, we are not competent personnel wise to run either the 4-3 or 3-4 but we are better suited with the 3-4 assuming Terdell can find whatever it was that he lost. Put J-Rich and Tommy Kelly on either side and bring in Burgess and/or Clemons on passing downs and we should have a good shot at pressure as well as coverage given Morrison and Howard’s speed. We have to start getting of the field on third down.
I wouldn’t mind backing out of our spot and trade with Dallas for two firsts and try to land Keith Rivers and the top rated safety. Then take the best WR available in the 2nd, and best C in the 4th.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:32 pm
For those who believe that no FA will want a job in Oaktown, you are going down the exact road that BSPIN and SI with their Raider Haters have paved for you. They plant the seeds that it is “dysfunction junction” rather than a solitary Nation like no other. It is a Nation on the rise once again and the bias against the Nation is pulling out all stops to undermine what they see as a threat to their tidy NFL.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Reports have been that Jones is offering the Tuna one first rounder, a second and Marion Barber for the #1 overall. AKA Dakota’sLove Child.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Wow, we don’t have a chance at that kind of deal
January 31st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
man you guys should hear rod brooks on 680 talking about the lofton situation, they should really check their facts before blabbering on the radio. How can a guy who used to be with the raiders have so much hater-aid in them
January 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
sorry about that ” in him”
January 31st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
what was brooks saying?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Dakota, is this you?.
http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438#disqus_thread
_______________________________________________________
Bob,
Where did you find my picture? I thought I was invisible in those camo capri pants!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
can you believe those raiderfan.net idiots on here talking as if they get their info from an insider. that is the sorries site on the net. they make you pay for the same stuff you can read right here
January 31st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
and we’re probably more eloquent as well
January 31st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
We should draft McFadden to me.
1) Michael Bush.
2) Mcfadden.
We would have a very good offense.
I think we go DT in round 2. and WR in later rounds.
The whole Kiffin drama (there is some truth to.) but is being blowen WAY out of perportion. Kiffin DID hire Lofton and was the one interviewing him………
Shame on all media and us, for making this mess what it is.
Look at the joke with the Redskins everyone is rejecting their HC job. Ever hear ESPN and other media outlets bashing them like the Raiders?
…..Hidden agenda? Maybe.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
DUH Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
can you believe those raiderfan.net idiots on here talking as if they get their info from an insider. that is the sorries site on the net. they make you pay for the same stuff you can read right here
Hey Stupid look at the time I posted this…..
shawnraiders81 Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Per Raiderfans.net premium forum, “insider info.”
James Lofton has been hired by coach Kiffin and Al Davis know’s about it. Kiffin still has a good chance of being bought out of his contract and not being the HC of the Raiders next year.”
Your guess is as good as mine.
*1/30/08 9:52 p.m.*
Yes thats BEFORE JM posted it.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
and they do get the info from someone that WORKS INSIDE alameda.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
i think i’m okay with no FA’s wanting to play for us…
they cost draft picks…
they cost tons of money…
and they usually aren’t worth the price or the grief…
draft your way to success…
that was exactly one nickel’s worth of opinion.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:09 pm
What is apparent is that the offical Raiders position is not one with their coach and it seems to be intensifying, Kiffin is history just as soon as calmer minds take control and there is no telling when that will be. J.Russ probably could not be more thrilled.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Maybe JaMarcus can pack another ten pounds on under the new head coach who is all about the players.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I think FA’s are good for O-line positions due to their experience. Unfortunetly I can’t think of any Free agents that have greatly impacted our team sense Rice, Romo, R.Woodson, and recently Burgess. Griffith and rookie O’neil kept up the pace replacing the Old School Short Yardage Specialist Z.Crocket. Wish we had the chance to give Crocket a proper send off at one of the homegames, guy was outstanding in my mind.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I think it was telling during the season that although the players were behind Russell, they also didn’t voice disagreement with Kiffin’s decision to slow down and delay Russell’s time on the field. Some impatience maybe but not much direct disagreement. They didn’t even complain about the ever changing quarterback situation. That tells me they thought Kiffin was basically making the right calls during the season.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:18 pm
RaiderRaul, nice encapsulation of events/non-events in #60.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Blog 77
Noosing- good one. Let Kiffin tie the knot.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Fender52, after the Shell/Moss debacle anything Kid Lane could offer was like a day of sunshine to the team.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Good point, Fender.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
The best way for all sides to stop this nonsense and just call a news conference with Al and Lane there and just clear the air. Until then, there will be nothing but ennuendo, misinformation and hyperbole, none of it good for the already tarnished reputation of the Raiders,Mr. Davis and those of us who are caught in the middle looking for answers, the fans.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Kiffin can weather the Davis strom, he’s wrapped up and protected just like a TROJAN. Just needs to get used to the full potential.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I would still feel better if Lane or Al came out and made a statement. Using buffers for statements just leaves room for rumors and gossipers.
hanging on by my fingertips….but still in.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
As stated earlier, I too want a press conference, unfortunately we will only be dreaming for one. I doubt Al will do anything that has been dictated to him by the media. It would be his way of saying the mediots won.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
There are lots of reasons why the organization wouldn’t and probably shouldn’t come out with a major press conference to address all of this. For one, a press conference with denials of the rumors don’t really get the Raiders anything (see how the press has dealt with the denials by Herrera this past week). the denials are ignored and disreagarded. Second, there are plenty of questions which the Raiders (Al, Kiffin or Ryan) should not have to answer, but which would be asked at a press conference; such as “did you want to fire Ryan,” “did you refuse to let Kiffin fire Ryan,” and of course, the most basic of all, “was there a letter,” and “was there any tension at all between Al, Kiff and Ryan?”
all a press conference does is expose them to those awkward questions. And even if there had been some tension, or wishes of changes, or some confrontation between the three guys, the question is really are these guys prepared to move forward with what they have now? I don’t think its our business what internal machinations were going on. We only have a right to know what the staff ends up being, not all the ways the decision makers got there.
just my opinion.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
See what I mean, Jerry, you sound and now look like the rest of the mediots, and you are throwing your credibility to the wind. You need to redeem yourself. Name your “sorce”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
This is an earlier post before the TRUTH came out AGAIN! Please enjoy, I like to go back and see who jumps ship so easily. Easy to tell who the trues are, or are NOT.
ATLRaider Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 9:10 am
I’m surprised some of you in the Bay Area haven’t started picketing for Al’s resignation at the Alameda HQ.
Crazy Old Al needs to go!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
what was so dumb about the report that kiffin didnt know was that kiffin was the one who interviewed him. if al wanted to hire lofton without kiffins involvement he could have done it without an interview. al just interviewed lifton last year so he knew him well… its obvious that kiffin interviewed him and passed on all the info and the o.k. to davis and al handled the contract.. the media is getting ridiculous with all of this..
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Anyone else see Berman blowing up on You Tube ? They have a link on profootballtalk.com……pretty funny… he would never make it past the moderator here.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Kiffin did something to piss off al that’s for sure but what that was we and the world may never know! He new he pissed off al and may have really worried about being fired when he said he hoped he would be back as HC after the senior bowl. Kiff may also be more like Al than we think in his statements of not being concerned with the media’s rumors and only coaching. I hope that’s true and we can move on. This whole lofton thing is much adue about nothing until the next thing.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Fender52…I agree
January 31st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Has a rumor been proven to be true yet? Hmmmm…nope! What if the organization some us dump thousands of dollars into every year is actually…..telling the truth. Then with out all the B.S. by writers with every unknown source, everyone would still be feeling positive about our step forward last year. Not just some of us.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
KD
I realize some posts look like they represent as you have said “jump ship”
Atl Raider is not unlike Dakota, Huff 24, and others who believe Al should relieve himself of GM job, and support and hire somebody to do those dutys.
My feeling Atl Raider is a true Raider fan just frustrated with Al and wants to see change.
He has not shown any bandwagon craze on this site. Well almost, (He’s getting more frustrated as these rumors persist).
Just feels (I hope I am sensing this right) the Raider org charts need change.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Hey:
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438#disqus_thread
”Bob,
Where did you find my picture? I thought I was invisible in those camo capri pants!.”
DAkota:
Al Davis has had it with you, he told me to find you and take you out, but that you can go in peace because he´s on to that Darius McFarlane kid from Kansas.
After looking at your outfit, I decided that letting you walk around in public is punishment enough.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
HEY Oakglenn ..:Great post there about bringing in Lofton to assist Kiffin and help the offense. Johnnie Lee needs a hall of famer coach.
You know that I called Al some nasty things and I think he’s disruptive, BUT…..bringing Lofton in is in line with Kiffin’s own policy: There are no scholarships and every body has to COMPETE for their job! Interesting twist. If he doesn’t get the job done, Lofton is waiting in the wings.
Now that I think of it, I don’t blame Al for bringing Lofton in at all. It is a smart move because Kiffin could pull a Bobby Petino.
Now all this stuff about locking him out, the “letter” stripping him of his power, not letting him influence the decision making process is B.S. if it’s true.
In Al’s defense he covering his bases and securing a viable future candidate if Kiffin bails or fails.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Hey guys do you think if Al Davis jumped out of an airplane he could fly with those baggy windbreakers on?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wingsuit-01.jpg
January 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
RaiderDell…
Ok, I respect your support of dude, just picked him out of a hey stack. But with out the proven lies so far, what has Al done wrong this off season to take such attack from a raider family member?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Even Danskman finds circumspection. Cool.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Having been a Raider fan since 1970, none of this surprises me. Back then the media blasted the Raiders as party boys and convicts, mostly true. Al has never allowed the media inside info and never will. I think Lane is simular in that respect.
All the Ark HC rumors are crazy. Would Lane entertain another job while under contract and during the season, I doubt it. If there is anything that Lane could have done to piss off Al it might be trying to fire Rob prematurely. I’ll bet Al and Lane discussed getting rid of Rob but Al decided it wasn’t the right time.
Lane has improved the Raiders with squat to work with and I believe Al sees that. The Lofton issue kinda confirms that Lane and Al are working together but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t some friction. Lane and Al are both strong willed individuals and there will always be friction but kept in house and settled.
Raider fans The Sky Isn’t Falling!
Always in and still in!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Casperghost…I agree
January 31st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
LOL! Bob…that was some funny sheeeeet.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:19 pm
KD
I’d support Dakota or Huff24 like I did Atl Raider.
They have strong beliefs that even without all these current rumors and media speculation I suspect they would still want to see a GM instead of Al.
My support is just to point out how all of us have different views on the direction of the Raiders, but the end result is the same, we just have different beliefs that our paths our all different and mean different things.
I know you want to win , Atl Raider does to, just without Davis as the GM.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I really enjoy reading these posts and chuckle at some of the fans that are ready to jump off cliffs. You can really tell who has been a fan for a long time. Although that doesn’t mean that the old time fans don’t get pissed off at some of the decisions the team makes. We just suck it up and move on.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
The source is Herrera hes a double agent working directly with the president AD
January 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Exactly, Copenhagen. Maybe you can explain it to the nation, they sure don’t understand it from me. Every time I come in here it makes Mutiny on the Bounty seem like Miss Kitty’s Happy Tea Party with Wiggy and Mr. Teddy. Jesus. Plus, I’m running out of public service announcements.
“If you want to be popular, just be yourself,” Your Mom.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I heard Kiffen came to us from space, and that he has 3 arms and the visor he wears is actually a communications device used to keep in touch with his commanding officer
January 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
“. He doesn’t want to get caught up in the situation where he is more caught up in responding to rumors than he is coaching the football team.””
No, I am NOT Herrera posing as a blogger but this is EXACTLY what I said a few days ago. Do you want your coach evaluating talent and preparing for free agency or answering the rumor of the day?
Kiffin’s To Do
Prep for FA signing period Mar 1
Prep for Combine in three weeks
Evaluate FA’s and resign who we keep before March 1
School JR
Prep for draft
Reveiw last year’s film and make changes
Walk the dog
Spend time with family
Floss
Fold Trojan boxer shorts
Answer daily rumors
January 31st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Oakglenn, ADD doesn’t just mean attention deficit disorder on this site, it also means Al Davis detractors and there seem to be plenty of those who jump at any rumor to bash Al. I do not know their reasons for this, perhaps it is just a Pavlovian thing.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
RaiderDell
That is exactly the reason we have something to talk about. In my opinion and my back ground, the older the member of the family, the more respect you give them. They have the most obtained wisdom. Al Davis IS with out any reasonable argument the GodFather of the Oakland Raiders Organization. He built it, and if he makes a few mistakes in his final years, I still will ride with him untill he can’t ride anymore. We played in the superbowl just 5 years ago, we have been hurting for money due to chump fans not putting their money where their mouth is, along with a Gruden, Allen, and a Lombardi turning their back on him. Last year is the first year Al was really back in the drivers seat for some time. He was leaning on the prior mentioned, and look what happened, he picked out a coach that excited people to get back in the stands, made some money, and now we are as good as anyone sayary cap wise. We are on our way up, why can’t people see that? You say Alt is frustated, hes bashing my oldest elder. Thats frustrating.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Oakglenn,
“I’ll live to see you - all of you - hung from the highest yardarm in the British fleet.” William Bligh
January 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
COW, I agree.
If Lane was to respond to rumors the media would spin his answers and cause more rumors.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
COW…I agree as well
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Casper - Exactly. When Kiffin hasresponded, Jerry and other media types have said his responses weren’t strong enough or clear enough or good enough.
A press conference? So Al gives a “Vote of confidence” and everybody starts yelling about how that’s a sure sign Kiff’s doomed.
A conference last week would’ve been trumped by the Lofton hired behind Kiff’s back rumor this week. So what? Another conference?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Darius McFarlane…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
The Raiders official response doesn’t necessarily contradict yours but it sure puts a different light on it. Think maybe the Raiders are trying to weed out the “sources”??
January 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
A John Herrera Sighting…
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9091/bgdadbob7rt.jpg
January 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
OH MY GOSH THAT IS SOME FUNNY STUFF ATL! #118…LMFAO!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Every 49er fan I know hates Al Davis.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I read that the Bears are thinking of franchising Bernard Berrian, are there any other WR FA’s on anybody’s wish list?
January 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I want to thank all you guys on here. I know that I have a tendency to freak out a little bit with every new rumor that comes out. It’s fun for me to speculate, as well, and if I get smacked down once in a while, well, I’m a big boy.
Glenn, how about this one:
“[redacted so as not to offend moderator] does NOT make you go blind. In severe cases of coyote-arm, however, blindness can occur.”
I think the Surgeon General said that.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
who is john herrrara?????? isnt he the travel guy at the raiders……what a joke to have him speak for the raiders…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Andre Davis from the Texans, not sure if he’ll be a true one though.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Berrian I think could be a one, bummer if we don’t get a shot at him.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
M,
Bryant Johnson, Cards
Andre’ Davis, Texans
Jerry Porter, Oakland…I hate to say it but we may need Jerry back…pretty slim pickings out there.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
jh….
They should cut and paste his voice in with a normal show and have him cursing during the highlights.
Brady gets sacks and says “What the f do you think I’m doing here? I mean Jesus Christ!”
January 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Who benefits? The easiest way to determine motive and determine source is ask this simple question.
The media benefits - period. NFLN, ESPN, InsideBayArea, CC Times, Chron, etc..want fans from the nation’s most popular sort to keep tuning in during the dead time between the SB and draft. Shoot, even the draft went completely unnoticed just ten years ago.
What does PFT do from Feb to August, tell their sponsors good bye? The media needs traffic so they need rumors. Doesn’t matter if they’re true because as I’ve said, nobody holds them accountable.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
John S, that was a fine public service announcement. You have the gift.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
KD
Your post is a strong argument for your beliefs about Al.
You will find on this blog and I know you have seen many, detractors of Al and people like yourself who have a loyalty of belief in him.
Most of the detractors are young, (not all of them) and most of the older fans have a different view of Al (not all of them)
I just hope we can get to a SuperBowl soon, and WIN!!!
The end result is all Raider fans have what most team fans do not, PASSION, AND WE EXPRESS OURSELVES IN MANY WAYS.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Assuming that Lofton signs it’ll be interesting to see what he can do with JLH.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I get the pro and anti Davis comments here, but really am just not concerned. I disagree with many of his decisions, but don’t doubt his passion to get back to winning (or that of anyone on this site for that matter).
Davis isn’t going anywhere regardless of opinions.
But that’s also exactly why I’m more focused on coaches and players. I want Kiffin to stay bc I think we are only at the first phase of a major turnaround. As FL Pete notes above, drafting is going to be key, and Kiffin does have insight there, and not just because of the senior bowl. Plus we all seem to agree that JR needs consistency of coaching, of system, and so on … and damn he can really be something.
But that’s also why I think Lofton as WR coach would be GREAT. He’s had the rep as a superb position coach. Kif got a real running game going last year, with 3 different backs. But the passing game and QB carousel was weak. Lofton should be able to get the best out of vets like Curry, newbies like Higgins, and potential draftees (Mario Manningham?).
Just hope that Kiffin, Lofton, and Russell all stay on the same team, and together get this thing back on track. Crossing my fingers now …
January 31st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
M, obviously Davis has made some mistakes over the last few years. What I find amusing is if we took his detractors, and looked at all the dumb decisions THEY have made in THEIR lives, and then BROADCAST it world wide on a reality show, let me tell you, THAT would be entertaining.
Hopefully we call all settle down and get back to work, instead of responding to every rumour and innuendo. You guys I am REALLY jazzed about the possiblity of Lofton coming here. As I said in my earlier post, this guy was coached by Bill Walsh at Stanford, went on to be coached by Bart Starr and Forest Gregg, in Green Bay. Now while Starr and Gregg were not great coaches, they learned from one of the all time greats in Lombardi. So they probably know something about the game. Then he went Buffalo and Marv Levy, who might know a tiny bit about the game, going to four straight Super Bowls. It also is interesting that San Diego hadn’t had a winning season in like 6 years before Lofton got there and have had their best run since he’s been there. Coincidence?? Don’t think so.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Dakota, thanks. Bryant Johnson has never been afraid to stick his nose in over the middle and the Cards seemed to never miss a beat with him on the field whenever Fitzgerald or Boldin were out. Andre is an excellent receiver. Thanks again for the input.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Shoot, I forgot. Kids, Stay in School.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Maybe Lofton will have to be a player/coach if we can’t pull a deal for CJ from the Bungholes or RW from the Lions.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
JohnS, I should turn the psa’s over to you. LMAO.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
I think it’s good that the team is considering adding coaches and close to signing Lofton. And it doesn’t mean that davis is forcing Kiffins’ hand.
Building a winning team of people isn’t always a completely straight line. Sometimes one adds members and later realize they didn’t really pull it off, or do the job, or were the wrong fit. I also think that going into last year Kiffin wasn’t necessarily able to pull in and attract the top position coach talents because of the mess the organization was perceived to be in. I think (absent the recent bruhaha)(sp?) that most would perceive the team as heading in the right direction which creates a more attractive spot for other coaches to consider (remember when free agents wanted to join the silve and black under gruden?). So i expect there to be continued improvement and pressue to do better for every member of the team.
so i’ll say it again, for now, i’m hopeful about 2008.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Nice thoughts Fender52. The weather outside might look like Southeast Alaska, but somewhere rays of light are emerging once again upon the Nation.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Since now we can get back to football, I think the rumours of Dallas trading up is (at least right now), some blogging hack making crap up.
However, Chicago does want a marquee linmen and they have some spare pix. So, what do you guys think of #3 or #4 going bye, bye, and we get Chicago’s #13, #46, and #75?? What sayest thou??
January 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Whatever…just wait until tomorrow, I am sure the Kiffin/Davis saga will continue. Both sides are gearing up for the contract dispute. Herrera is throwing BS out there as is Kiffin’s agent. The dust will settle, Kiffin will be gone, prior to this year or after this upcoming year, and AD will still be the owner, much to my chagrin.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Could be blogging hack Oakglenn, but the Tuna does need more for Miami than just a #1 overall.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Oakglenn,
I like the idea, but only if Chicago throws in Mike Brown…maybe his injuries are now behind him? Maybe the Bears have moved on from him and would be willing to include him in a deal?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
REPOST, Glenn you were to busy working on those PSA’s to respond, thoughts?
RaiderDell Says:
January 30th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Glenn
If were going to wheel and deal let’s go an extra step.
I know this will not happen, but It’s fun to look at.
Let’s trade our number one next year for Dallas 22nd pick.
Al and kiff would have #13,#22 #37,#45,#76.
Five players of the top 76 in this years draft.
We make up for the lost number 1 on 2009 and trade Burgess. His contract ends after the 2008 season, he wants to much money based on other DE’s in the NFL, I’m referring to Peppers and Freeney.( $30 million Guaranteeed)
Do we get there quicker or take longer and hit it this year.
Based on last year’s team we could of easily won 7 games. That would put us in this year’s draft between 12-17, and probably the same for 2009 or very close.
my reason for the trade with Dallas.
Burgess has definite trade value.
Possible players at #13,#22:
Jeff Otah OT
Lawrence Jackson DE
Kentwan Balmer DT
Ryan Clady OT
January 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
A deal with Chicago such mentioned would be interesting, but do they need a marquee D-lineman more than they need a RB? Benson went Salaam on them.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
If we picked at 5 I would do the trade, but there are 4 major talents in this draft, and any time you can add one, I would have to say get it while its there. I seriously dought our draft choice will be this high near year.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I don’t care if we trade up or down, I just hope whoever we get is a difference maker. Would be nice to have more picks, not a bad idea, I’m just of the opinion that we need help just about everywhere, so I hope whoever we get is ready to settle that position
January 31st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
M, the thing about this draft is there is no consensus #1. Which is good and bad. What that means is there are four or five players who could easily go #1 overall. That devalues the worth of the #1, but makes the top 4-5, excellent picks. I’m glad we are in the top four. What is really funny is of all the mock drafts, no one has us at three and Atlanta at four. they all have Atlanta at 3. What does that tell ya??
January 31st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
glenn, I would be cool with that, since we need a lot more than one pick, too.
Depending who will be making the selection and then signing them, of course. There’s too much up in the air right now.
PSA: A roach is a terrible thing to waste.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Glenn, no psa but I’ve got your back.
Don’t eat yellow snow
January 31st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
The Parcells-Jones connection adds some potential to the trade rumor but trades in general involving high picks and players are rare.
If the Raiders can get a top 3 D lineman in Dorsey, Ellis or Long it would be hard to pass up. If not I’d trade down and get more picks to secure a DT, WR and DE or OT all on Day 1.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
The flippin’ coin done have two heads.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
It would be cheaper to trade down though. Extra money for some DT FA.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Speaking of the top 4 or 5 picks, it’s too bad Ellis showed so well at the Senior Bowl because his value has climbed. I think Kiffin knew this kid and now everybody knows him. Could have been a sleeper.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Yes, COW, premier D-lineman are the priority. Sorry, Dakota.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Is there any beef between Tuna and Jones? I know he didn’t want TO, and then left with a year on his contract, and now he’s raiding Dallas’ staff.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
We have plenty of cap space for free agents and for draft picks, even if we pick at #3.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Dell run that one by me again. Since Burgess would be out of contract how would we trade him? And most likely to get Dallas’ overall #22, we would probably have to throw in a 3-5th rounder also in 09. Let me know.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
“Whatever…just wait until tomorrow, I am sure the Kiffin/Davis saga will continue. Both sides are gearing up for the contract dispute. Herrera is throwing BS out there as is Kiffin’s agent. The dust will settle, Kiffin will be gone, prior to this year or after this upcoming year, and AD will still be the owner, much to my chagrin.”
Wow man you’re right. Eventually Kiffin won’t be the head coach. If not this year than next year or maybe a few years after that. Real ballsy prediction there homie! Kiffin at some point won’t be the Raiders coach! Maerd anyone can say that.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I would like us to trade down but its unlikely. you got to go with ellis or long on the defense with that pick.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Kid Lane was being loyal to Ellis, CasperGhost. That is a good thing.
psa- Listening to the talking heads on BSPIN or reading SI will lead to ED.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hey Killa.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Dell run that one by me again. Since Burgess would be out of contract how would we trade him? And most likely to get Dallas’ overall #22, we would probably have to throw in a 3-5th rounder also in 09. Let me know.
I heard the rumor the Raiders will try to deal Burgess to. Didn’t hear about Dallas being part of it. You sure its not Pitt
January 31st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
did you miss me McFadden’s lover?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
wow. My goal in posting comments on this blog is to someday write something that inspires someone to post under the name “John S = sux”, or “John S hater,” or even “John S is an idiot jerry please ban him.”
January 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
If it’s Pitt, do you think we could get Polamalu?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
M…I agree Kid Kiffin did the right thing with Ellis. My point was nobody had him placed in the top 4-5 earlier.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
My McFadden man-crush keeps me occupied.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Glenn
My point is we trade with Dallas for their #13, and we give them our #1 next year.(2009)
Depending who we draft, I believe we trade Burgess this year to compensate for no number 1 next year.
Burgess will command a #1 or some multiple picks to make up the loss for no #1 next year.
We will then have our #1 back or have multiple picks to move in to the first round in 2009.
Burgess has made overtures to wanting to be paid as a top DE, like Freeney, and Peppers.
I don’t believe we should pay that much, Burgess has very good trade value, and is proven himself the last 3 years, but $30 million guaranteed,to much.
Lauren Jackson, can be a good start to replace Burgess.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
I mean Dallas 22 pick
January 31st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
JohnS you son of a sharecropper!
I have had it with you and your rational and concise posts. You make too much sense dammit!
Feel better?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Wow. You guys are pretty sharp guys. So many excellent comments. Maybe some of you guys should get assistant GM positions in the league. Lord knows some teams could use you guys. Then they wouldn’t be drafting Ted Ginn Jr, #9 overall.
The drop off is sharp after the top 4. Sorry Kansas Shitty. Ellis IS climbing in value, he could go ONE OVERALL. That could be a problem.
Chicago has the OTHER Adrian Peterson to go along with Cedric Benson, and there are tons of good RB’s in this draft. I think with Chicago, they get a good lineman early, still have a 2nd rounder, they have a pretty solid defense, and can add WR’s and maybe RB’s in later rounds. Might be a good move for them to trade up.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Why not save the hassle and trade Burgess for a number one this year? Isn’t it the same thing?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
don’t take the brown acid
January 31st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
What about the sugar cube
January 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Uh GUYS DALLAS HAS TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS
The rumored offer to Miami is both #1s and Barber for the #1.
Since we don’t need Barber we could ask both #1’s and a 3rd rounder or maybe a lineman of medium value.
Burgess has 1 year left on his contract so we could trade him - maybe get a 3rd for him.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
If we draft Chris Long, trade Burgess for a 2nd rounder this year…no one is going to give us a first round pick for Burgess, or for anyone else on our roster (outside of JR and maybe Nnamdi).
January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
KD
Justin Smith is the only viable DE as a FA from Cinn.
As teams miss a player targeted Burgess value will be in more demand then now.
You may command more value after the draft and FA is over.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Dell - What’s in it for Dallas?
Why would they trade for next years pick? They want MacFadden that’s the only reason they’re looking to move.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Yeah, bad post saying a one. I say kepp him if we only get a two, definatly not for a 3rd. Rather have him for another year.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
#172: AWESOME. I feel much better now.
Glenn, do they post those GM jobs on craigslist? Because maybe I’m looking in the wrong place. I’m available. It even says on my resume that I’m a frequent contributor to the Inside the Oakland Raiders Blog comments section.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Dell…
Post 170…I´m sorry man, but I don´t want anyone named Lauren Jackson to take Burguess´s spot, I´m all for equality but come on.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Ok, that makes sense. I give my approval. lol Maybe swing something with Arizona, they always draft pretty high. Wait…so do we.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm
It is definitely a treat to finally exchange ideas about football players.
Burgess had a couple of fine years here but if he has an appropriate trade value, move him. The raiders need both a pass rush and an end who might actually defend against the run. Chris Long anyone?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Dell, got it. Ok, couple of things here. First off, after QB the most valuable position on a football team is DE or rush LB, followed by LT. See where we’re going here? So trading our best pass rusher, boy Dell, I gotta say, I would have a REAL hard time doing that, philosophically.
The other problem with that is I don’t think anyone would trade a 1-3 round pick for Burgess knowing he had just one more year left on his contract. Look at the Moss deal. Everyone yells we got nothing for the guy, but what, you’re gonna trade a 1st round pick, someone who could be a standout on your team for 10 years, for someone who could be on your team for one year?? Hence the fourth rounder, even tho it’s Moss. So, to get top value for Burgess, you’d have to sign him to at least a multiple year deal, or have him work out a deal with the new team, to make it worth while. I hope this is making sense.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Cow
Their cap is in trouble, the signing of Romo and they have issues resigning some top starters.
My info is from a professional friend of mine who lives in Dallas.
He is a die hard, and knows of their cap situation.
If you look at Dallas cap numbers combine them with the #22, #28 they will have some reworking to do to fit it all in next year.
My reason for the trade with Dallas.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
THATS IT JOHNS!!! They are using this blog as the sources to “Inside the organization” rumors! lol..
January 31st, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Will this be the year Al Davis trades down from a top spot in the first round of the draft? If he does, it will only be because he can’t afford another huge signing bonus for a top 5 pick, otherwise AD always wants to move up or stay put and draft the best athlete at the combine.
McFadden anyone?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
John S
”It even says on my resume that I’m a frequent contributor to the Inside the Oakland Raiders Blog comments section.”
lol.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
lol…Dakota…I would be perfectly happy if landed McFadden. But we better find a flippin savage for the DT position. Or heads are going to roll.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
We have the cap room to accommodate high draft picks and free agents, but does Al have the money on hand to pay their signing bonuses?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
This is the problem with NFL cap structure. Since contracts aren’t guaranteed beyond the signing bonus (which is then pro-rated over a number of years for cap purposes), you need an abacus to figure out who is owed what on which contract.
The NBA structure is so much easier to understand, since you can look at the salaries, and then try to match them up to make a decent trade. And players in the last year of their contracts are often desirable. None of this “needs to be cut after June 1 because otherwise his cap number accelerates.”
Maybe somebody can break it down for me.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Glenn
Makes sense, as with all deals the trade can be executed with the parametes in place, a multi contract will be in place before the trade can be consumated.
Burgess can then be assured of a new contract and the team trading for him has assurance of his contract status.
Deal complete.
Also Burgess the last three years has more sacks than Peppers.
I believe a very strong trade could happen.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Oakglenn Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Since now we can get back to football, I think the rumours of Dallas trading up is (at least right now), some blogging hack making crap up.
However, Chicago does want a marquee linmen and they have some spare pix. So, what do you guys think of #3 or #4 going bye, bye, and we get Chicago’s #13, #46, and #75?? What sayest thou??”
OG -
We talked about this before. I am down if we can make it happen and you know why. If the Raiders had 2 second round picks it wouldn’t be as hard to justify picking Trevor Laws in the 2nd round. You know I’m high on this kid and I still think that he would be a hell of a pick in the second although most people think he is a 3rd rounder. He really impressed me at the Under Armour Senior Bowl.
Speaking of the third round I think it is critical for The Raiders to get at least 1 pick in the 3rd round. There is quality depth and thats exactly what the Raiders need.
So the long and short is I do like your scenario. Now for a PSA of my own:
Don’t Sweat The Petty Stuff, Pet The Sweaty Stuff!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Glenn
Can we afford $30 million guaranteed.
How can we afford Namdi, as the franchise player and in 2009 Burgess.
If Namdi is Franchised this year , what do we do next year, if we franchise him again, (2009) Burgess walks to any team.
No compensation, Al can’t afford Burgess and a few other Raiders coming up for free agency in the nexrt two years.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I will defer to those with more football knowledge than me on this site, but isn’t the goal to have two excellent DE’s rather than just one? If that’s the case, why not try to keep Burgess around? I would think both players (not to mention our secondary) would benefit by having two strong players at the ends (provided we can also improve our interior positions).
Am I mistaken on my premise?
January 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
DUH Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Yeah you pay for it and we dont Shawnraiders81
Whos the idiot?
You know all you want to do is brag you have insider info so you can find a few you can sucker out of money.
Why buy when you can read it here and sometimes days before your report whats already been reported.
Dude I pay 7 bucks, you probably spend that on porn every night.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
fender 52, if 2 girls are better than 1, why wouldn’t 2 de’s be better than 1?
January 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I do not work for Raiderfans.net in fact I think the man Bob that runs it is a jerk he won’t promote free speech and there is to much censorship.
But who was right about Lofton???
January 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Raider1980:
That is the type of explanation that would make you a great teacher!
(of course they’d fire you if you actually used that example….)
January 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Fender52
You are correct, the cap is the issue and cash is the bigger issue.
Jamarcus signed for no guaranteed money up front, instead received large cap numbers $ for the next 5 years and incentive pay for goals met.
Cash is the issue, as Glenn said, players want guaranteeed money up fron at the signing of the contract, that’s their only guaranteed money they can walk away with.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Dell, as usual, you bring up a lot of good points. Let’s say for the sake of argument, right now we sign Burgess to a 2 year extension at fairly favorable terms and we can consummate this deal. Who would you want to draft as a premier pass rusher?? Derrick Harvey of Florida, Lawrence Jackson I like. I like your scenario, but ONLY if we draft Chris Long with the #3 overall, which blows everything up. lol.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I don’t see how trading Burgess helps a team like ours who is devoid of talent. Sure he has trade value, but he’s also VERY valuable to our defense.Of course he wants top dollar, he’s one of the best pass rushing linemen in the nfl, and is worthy of a hefty pay raise.It’s not like we’re oozing with defensive line talent either. The rest of the dline isn’t reliable, and he still gets the job done, it definately makes more sense to get others around him….Remember the excitement with the pickup of Moses in the draft? We thought we’d given Burgess the help to do even more damage…That should be our goal
January 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Without going into detail that has been rehashed numerous time over the past weeks, my 2¢ worh is as follows:
There are only two people who can be our #1 pick at the 3 or 4 draft position. Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU or Sedrick Ellis, DT USC. And, not necessarily in that order. I personally am leaning towards Ellis because he can play in either the 4-3 or the 3-4 alignment. Dorsey is a 4-3 only player. Until we can plug up the middle run efforts and/or collapse the middle of the pocket on pass plays, we will not be successful on D. We DO NOT NEED any additional DE’s including Little Howie. We have plenty of competent DE’s already. WE NEED DT’s.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
hey give jerry a break. all reporters have sources they trust. until they screw up. he is manning up on this. now yes from here on out jerry should likely stratch that source hisfmy list from here on out….
January 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
M,
Thanks on #79. Why would I even begin to