Dysfunction perception and free agency
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 1st, 2008 at 9:32 am in Oakland Raiders.
The belief that the Raiders organization is currently locked in a battle of wills between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin will give rise to the notion that this will hurt the team on Feb. 29, when the free agent signing period begins.
Who in their right mind would sign with the Raiders when there are 31 other franchises out there who don’t have as many soap operas in a decade as the Raiders do in one offseason?
Plenty of players, actually.
The Raiders were a mess a few years back when they went and signed Derrick Burgess and LaMont Jordan, two players for whom there was a competitive market.
Back in 2002, the Raiders traded coach Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay and there was speculation it would cripple them, for it was the charismatic Chucky who would draw the free agents like bees to a flower.
Wrong. John Parrella, Bill Romanowski and Rod Woodson eagerly put pen to paper and contributed to an AFC championship.
In the first instance, the Raiders were a losing team, in the second they were a winning team and it made little difference.
Everyone puts their best face on during free agency. An offensive player is told how the system will suit their needs. Defensive players get to meet Rob Ryan, whose contagious enthusiasm has won over his players despite four years of defense which has been slightly above average one year and downright bad for three others.
In many cases, there is a visit with Davis, long known as a players advocate who will regale and amaze recruits by pulling out stories of their past, knowing where they went to high school, their track and field exploits, and put it all into a historical context as to how the Raiders are ready to win again.
Randy Moss, after being acquired by trade, admitted he was reluctant to come aboard at first but was touched that the club had taken time to send a package of Raider gear to his family and then provided a police escort from the airport.
Still, those are all secondary factors. As Kiffin told reporters nearly a year ago at the owners meeting during his first full-on press session, it’s all about the Benjamins.
“It’s the truth. You do the research. What motivates them? Money. And winning. And let’s be honest — money is probably more important than winning to most of them,” Kiffin said. “So how do they get money? They get new contracts because they play well. So help them. You know? And then they’ll respond to you.”
You could argue that if two teams are battling for a free agent, the Raiders could lose out to an organization with a better reputation. But how many situations are truly equal? There are considerations such as compatability with the system and competition at the position that see to it that situations are never the same.
Agents aren’t about to try and talk their clients away from the Raiders if they’re offering top dollar. They’re about the Benjamins too, and it’s doubtful they’re going to delve into a lecture about the evils of the Raiders with a commission on the line.
The Raiders of late haven’t been all that active in free agency, anyway, a market place which can be a huge gamble. When Burgess and Jordan came aboard, they batted .500.
Last year, they talked with both tight end Daniel Graham and running back Travis Henry, took a pass, and then ended up with Zach Miller in the draft and the resurrection of Justin Fargas. Graham and Henry got a guaranteed $27 million in guarantees from the Denver Broncos. More production, fewer dollars.
It’s all about the Benjamins in that way as well.
The Lofton story
A wise man once said, “Buy what you want, I’m not selling. I use my own mind and you should do the same. Don’t use anyone else as an excuse. I’m telling you what I think, and that’s it. The rest is up to you.”
I stand behind both the news story in the newspaper and the opinion piece posted in this blog and wouldn’t change a word.
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February 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am
You may be on top of the blog world now but we will turn on you like a pack of rabid dogs if you go wobbly on us with the Godfather
February 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am
As the world turns…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am
Very well written, Jerry, thoughtful. Appreciate what you tagged on at the end as well.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
Love us or hate us….we’re still the Raiders!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:45 am
You know there are always players on any team that would just love to put on the Silver and Black. The Nation attracts many from any walk of life. A few years back I had a GF in Mexico City who is one of the main persons in that country advocating children’s rights and helping abused women. She knew nothing of the NFL, but she did want a Raider shirt.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:46 am
period
February 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am
Check out this little media tid-bit…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8186-NFL-Cincinnati_Bengals-Oakland_Raiders-Chad_Johnson_Oakland_Bound_-310108
Did anyone catch it? Didn’t he say Oprah? That seems to be the comment of most…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:49 am
Mr MacDonald…
that was one of the best articles i read from you lately…
well done…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:50 am
How can you guys expect Al Davis to receive loyalty when hes firing people left and right? Isn’t that going against himself being loyal to the people hes hiring? “I’m loyal to you until you lose 10 games…then…get the hell out of here, I don’t want to see your face anymore.” What kind of loyalty is that? Its like telling someone you want to help them become successful and then you stop talking to them after 30 days. Well what the heck happened there? You just can’t give what you don’t have. Its a 2 way street.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
Jerry..On the Lofton story…I know some have been harsh on you but I have to say once you found out the situation may have been different than what you posted at first…you put that news out there also and I think that is about all you can do. Unless AD decides to start sending you updates personally….but don’t hold your breath on that happening.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am
Davis is playing chess with his head coach. I see the move to insert Lofton as the WR coach as Davis saying, “Check,” and we’ll see how the locker room reacts, whether they’ve got Kiffin’s back and play hard for him all year or if the locker room is fractured…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am
The only way for a fan to have any influence on change whatsoever on this team is to cancel their season’s tickets and stop buying game day tickets, raider jerseys, or anything else affiliated with this DOA franchise. To think AD pays any attention to fans otherwise seems to me delusional.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:55 am
dang Huff… are you serious???
it’s a business…
when i hire anyone, manager or worker… i expect and am entitled to production…
start screwing up my system… i show you the door…
start costing me more than i’m paying… there is the door…
believe me, i treat my employees pretty well, and most of them are very happy… of course they are the ones producing and getting promotions and raises…
the others are getting left behind… they probably don’t love me so much…
in time, they will probably be shown the door…
guess i’m not that loyal after all…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
David Densmore, the only thing you can really ever change effectively is yourself.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
Blackholepriest Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:02 am
Buy what you want to buy I’m not selling anything I use my own mind and you should do the same. Don’t use anyone else as an excuse.
I’m telling you what I think, and that’s it. the rest is up to YOU.
(Anybody notice who the quote in this blog was pulled from? Jerry…You’re not helping the situation. This man’s ego will now jump sky high and he will probably throw it in the face of everyone for all eternity but I also see this as a psychological move. I might be killing it by mentioning it but I can’t help it. You just might be asking for peace from someone who is quick to interrogate and critique your every blog. The problem? All it probably did was boost ones ego and make him more powerful and its only going to get worse. Sounds like AD himself.)
February 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Personally, I think a better quote would have been:
A wise man once said, “DRAFT MCFADDEN!”
February 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
Very nice article Jerry.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:06 am
Wow. No matter what is said, inferred, rumored, retracted, gestured, hinted at or denied, some contributors to this blog find only one focus for their comments, their bogeyman, Al Davis. Must’ve heard some pretty scary stories as children.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am
First off Jerry i dont care if your source is accurate on this story or not. I have been reading you long enough that IF a story didnt pan out as you reported it would be in the minority compared to the rest of the info you have given.
How ever if its as bad as your source says, why doesnt kiffin come out and bury Davis once and for all? He has no reason to stay tight lipped if he is on his way out.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
btw what happened to the ask Jerry deal i thought that was going to be ongoing?
February 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Florida Pete - Exactly. So all this talk about loyalty is crap. Like I said, You can’t give what you don’t have. If you tell a coach he has a 3 year contract but you fire him after 1-2 seasons because things didn’t go exactly your way then you’re going against your word. Contracts are not meant to be broken.
Contract:
1. an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.
2. an agreement enforceable by law.
This is the life of business. There is no doubt about it but contracts are supposed to be enforced but they are treated like marriage which is basically a contract as well. The problem? Everybody does what the hell they want to do anyways, regardless. There is no loyalty and for those who have it…its extremely rare. Theres rarely any punishment for breaking a contract so people do it because they can get away with it. Let me tell you…that wasn’t the case in the Military. That is the single most place that I know where its tough to break that contract. You have to go through leaps and bounds.
Loyalty:
1. the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations.
2. faithful adherence to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, etc.
3. an example or instance of faithfulness, adherence, or the like: a man with fierce loyalties.
I believe Al Davis was commited to Mike Lombardi. Then Al brings in Art Shell like a mistress and Shell breaks up the party. Instead of being loyal to Lombardi, Lombardi gets fired so he goes to the Broncos and then Art Shell gets fired as well. So Al Davis was loyal to Lombardi and Art Shell and the feelings were mutual but 1 thing goes bad and both men are gone? Now THAT is dysfunctional.
n. Abnormal or impaired functioning, especially of a bodily system or social group.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:11 am
A wise man once said:
3/4 a cup of sugar, one pack of cherry flavored Kool-Aid on 2 quarts of water……
February 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am
A wise man once said…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tnC8BtNBNLo
February 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Jerry, Jerry, you took personal all of our comments. Still, be more objective in your blog. Maybe if you get the oppinions of several players (not just raider players), and how they feel about the Raider organization, we will get a better idea, they don’t buy on what the media says about anything. In the past, I only heard good things about how the Raiders and Al Davis treated all of his players, that isn’t important anymore or that isn’t the case anymore? Come Jerry be creative.
Thanks.
Jose Aguirre. (Mexico)
February 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Huff…will there be a test later?
You should have sent that writeup to AD.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am
lol….Maybe
February 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am
Dakota, thanks for the link. I’ll check it out when I get home.
Good work as always, Jerry. Ever thought of writing a book? I’d buy it.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Sent to Moss’ family a “package of Raider…?” Not sure what that means. I agree that it’s all about the benjamins, part of the team’s problem of late, getting players who are only out for a paycheck. We’ll always be able to sign players, there’s too much money involved. But, are the raiders able to sign the BEST players, those that place winning as the number one priority? Hmmm, not so sure.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
The mention of Jordan and Burgess being big names isn’t exactly true. Jordan was a backup to Curtis Martin for 4 years. He never established himself and was a question mark. He had a great average as a backup but was never forced to carry the load for a full season. Then…we go out and sign him to a multi-year contract.
Burgess was a nobody until the playoffs with the Eagles. Then he ends up with 2.5 sacks or something like that and goes into the off-season with momentum on his side. He was an injury prone player that had great talent but couldn’t hold up. We signed him to a multi-year contract but I thought the deal was fair and better than Jordan’s. It was still a huge risk nonetheless and obviously the deal worked out great for us.
Basically…that put us at 50-50. I still wouldn’t call them household names at the time we signed them so I wouldn’t consider them BIG moves at the time.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
The whole secrecey thing with the Raiders was cool… in the Pre-Internet Era.
Now it’s just pathetic. Especially when you have a .238 winning percentage.
But I guess that’s how 19 - 61 teams run their operation.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:38 am
Moss free agent signing = show me the paycheck
February 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Moss wasn’t a free agent. We gave up Napolean Harris and a draft pick.
He’s still playing under his Minny contract.
I know this is splitting hairs, but still.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:41 am
the Raiders have always been this way…
since the beginning of time…
even when the Raiders won 10 games every season…
nobody really knew what was going on behind the silver and black door…
it’s got nothing to do with being 19-61…
i would tell you why this is so…
but that’s a secret, too…
February 1st, 2008 at 10:43 am
The free agent part might be right but how about the Benjamins part? I try not to remember details about that guy!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:45 am
Moss got paid, like 10M for each year he was here…
February 1st, 2008 at 10:45 am
Florida Pete, I like your style. Very e.e. cummings.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
I think the secrecy was cool then because there WAS the mystique factor. There’s no mystique when you lose 61 games in 5 years.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am
Sorry to repost:
Huff, who the heck is Davis firing??? Davis fired Norvell after 5-11 and then 4-12. That’s regression. I would’ve fired his ass too.
Regarding Sam Williams, this last year was probably Williams best year as a pro. Like someone said for the $700k, why not. Oh and Mistabrown, Sam Williams is on the 2008 roster. Just so ya know.
Finally you guys the botched Lofton deal is on the last page of this mornings SF Chronicle. The last page!! This is important, because I think we got the story right here. The writer quotes Raider blogs as having Anti-Davis bias. So obviously they read what goes on here. The point is if things hadn’t simmered down, and there was extreme mutiny here, this would have been front page news with Kiffin leaving AGAIN, the Raiders moving to Irwindale AGAIN, and Jamarcus being traded to Atlanta.
And for my public service announcement for today:
Kids, railroad tracks are not playgrounds!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
LaMont Jordan was the #1 running back available that free agency. Although not established, everyone wanted him. The Jets turned down a 3rd round pick the year before Jordan’s signing.
It might not be your household, but to the front offices throughout the NFL, both Burgess and Jordan were the talk of the time. Jordan and Burgess led a mediocre free agent class, but for what it’s worth, the Raiders signed the best men available.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:57 am
Glenn, nice. You know, in Oklahoma, there really ARE public service announcements about the dangers of train tracks. “DON’T TRY TO BEAT THE TRAIN.” Funniest thing I ever heard, this guy saying, “I’m sorry honey, I’ll never do that again!” With the sound of metal twisting.
And people wonder why people on the coasts are “elitists.”
February 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
The Tribune at least put the retraction by Jerry as the headline article, albeit in smaller type-set than the previous day’s astounding, up-to-the-minute falsity.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:02 am
Huff said a few things:
“How can you guys expect Al Davis to receive loyalty when hes firing people left and right? Isn’t that going against himself being loyal to the people hes hiring? “I’m loyal to you until you lose 10 games…then…get the hell out of here, I don’t want to see your face anymore.” What kind of loyalty is that? Its like telling someone you want to help them become successful and then you stop talking to them after 30 days. Well what the heck happened there? You just can’t give what you don’t have. Its a 2 way street.”
Followed by:
“…Exactly. So all this talk about loyalty is crap. Like I said, You can’t give what you don’t have. If you tell a coach he has a 3 year contract but you fire him after 1-2 seasons because things didn’t go exactly your way then you’re going against your word. Contracts are not meant to be broken.
Contract:
1. an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.
2. an agreement enforceable by law.
This is the life of business. There is no doubt about it but contracts are supposed to be enforced but they are treated like marriage which is basically a contract as well. …”
First, I would like to know what you meant by “firing people left and right.” Are you referring to the past coaching staffs? If so, would you argue with the performance and the results of any in the last several years as justifying to not get dismissed in an attempt (feeble as they may have been) to get more wins than losses for the team? In other words, do you believe that any of the recent firings have not been the right move for the organization?
Second, to comment on your interpretation of the contracts, I think that you are missing a fundamental point. Every contract that I’ve ever dealt with has included language discussing the procedure for voiding it by either party prior to the contracted time frame. I’m pretty confident that things as elaborate as head coach contracts have this covered in great detail. I would posit that it states that the organization has the right to terminate the employment status of the coach so long as they honor the agreed upon payment schedule. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see that there s language in there that discusses performance.
What this means is that by dismissing a contracted head coach, in all liklihood it is still honoring the contract by following one of the optional clauses. The employer reserves the right to replace people that it feels they can improve on and they will pay for that choice per the contract.
If the coaches don’t like those ramifications then they don’t have to sign those multi-million dollar deals. So when they sign on the dotted line and start accepting those large paychecks, they are fully aware and acknowledge the terms of their employment status.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am
When I lived in Denver some years back, the Post ran some kind of article about Horseteeth 360 days out of 365 (The Post’s own admission). Horseteeth rarely if ever responded to any of it even if the report was that he eaten two waffles for breakfast instead of the two crepes he had actually eaten.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:07 am
M,
What RETRACTION are you talking about? Jerry posted information from his source and then the Raiders responded. He never backed down from his source and first article, he simply put out the Raiders side of the BS…I mean story.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am
Nice post Zymurge.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
Oakland, call me.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
i had such a wonderful response for Huff with the definintions of phrases like:
“good faith” and “hosed up”…
but i refreshed the page and lost it…
i should fire myself…
or at the very least… give myself the rest of the afternooon off…
February 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am
there are performance clauses in virtually every employment contract…
i mean, ya still gotta go to work…
February 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am
C’mon Jerry…
You know just because a “source” gives you info, you have to corroborate his story.
You rushed to print with a bad story and got caught with your pants down.
Suck it up.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Just my opinion, but I think anyone who gives up their tickets to the Raiders for anything other than financial or family reasons wasn’t really a Raiders fan to begin with. Silver and Black for Life!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
This was posted on MLive.com (Detroit newspaper):
“If the Lions do trade Shaun Rogers, it is thought they’ll ask for a proven player who can immediately fill one of the Lions’ many defensive holes, not draft picks.”
Fabian Washington for Shaun Rogers? I’d do it in a heartbeat..
February 1st, 2008 at 11:14 am
Dakota, sorry I used the word retraction. Perhaps I should’ve used a more appropriate turn of phrase. Re-clarification of a rumor perhaps?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:15 am
Jerry, this is what I meant, about getting the players oppinions. The following is an article from the SacBee web page:
January 31, 2008
Hanging with Coop
I spent a couple of hours with Jarrod Cooper down at the Oakland Animal Shelter, where he spends a lot of his time.
I’ll be writing more about that later, but here two things you’d be interested to know from today.
First, Coop’s rehab is going great at the team facility. He tore is ACL in November is about nine weeks removed from surgery. He’s able to run and is looking good and expects to be resigned and back with the team for workouts in late March.
He also is behind Lane Kiffin and the coaching staff. Any disgruntled players are in the minority, he said, because the change from year’s past to last season was drastic, even if hasn’t shown up in wins yet.
Just so you know, Cooper will be at the shelter (1101 29th Street in Oakland) on Feb. 9 helping give tours. Coop is a volunteer for what I learned today is an extremely good cause.
For more information on what’s going on at the shelter click here.
–Jason Jones
February 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am
No One wants to hear it But i’m pretty sure Dennis Green Will Be the new head coach in Oaktown. Before next season
February 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
M,
More like; the other side’s response. I don’t think we can declare either story the truth at this point. Jerry just had the nutz to post information that contradicted his story and source, he didn’t come out and say, sorry, my first article was incorrect. He just laid out what the Raiders had to say…
Not many journalists would do even that. (Mortenson?)
February 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am
Nice article Jerry.
I have been trying to convince some of these guys that the thing that free agents care about most is M-O-N-E-Y! Many bloggers continue to mention that no free agents will want to come to Oakland because of the dysfunction. Hopefully your article will wake a few people up out of there Al Davis induced haze.
I would like to see Chad Johnson play for the Raiders. His antics are excusable if he produces and that guy never takes plays off, unlike some wr the Raiders have had in the past, I won’t even mention that persons name.
If I had to choose though I would take Roy Williams over Chad Johnson in a heartbeat. Johnson is a big play wr but Williams is a beast. I always think of his play last year when he made a catch over the middle, his helmet flew off and he continued down field another 25 yards or so with people in pursuit.
BHP - Props are in order due to the fact you were quoted by the author of this blog. It’s good to know that Jerry actually reads our responses and values some of our opinions enough to respond, whether he thinks we are right or wrong.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am
I would bet large money Denny Green will be sitting at home eating ribs this time next year with no job in the NFL except maybe the NFL network. Wanna bet?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Chris, well said in #39. I was going to say similar.
The one thing that I would add is that Jordan was in very much the same boat that Michael Turner is today. A backup RB behind a top NFL talent. The NFL consensus feeling sounds like they see him as starting material for teams that don’t have an LT in front of him.
In looking at their stats in their years before FA, each them had pretty similar numbers playing as the #2 RB. Turner had a few more carries an yards, while Jordan had considerably more receptions.
In fact, looking at Jordan’s stats as a Raider, it’s not as horrible as recent memory would indicate. He did have a 1000 yard season in year 1 of his Raiders contract. In his 3 year ‘career’ here he has almost exactly 2000 yards in 29 starts, which is the on a per game basis on track for better than two 1000 yard seasons. He’s averaged a not stellar but not bad 3.8 yds per carry the whole 3 years, behind an Oline that we all know had serious issues. Games missed to injury excluded (that’s a different debate) I’d say he performed adequately but lower than expectations for his contract.
Just wait a month and see what kind of deals that Turner gets offered to get a feeling for what the going price is to lock up a high potential yet unproven as a starter RB in free agency. My gut says that it will be in the same neighborhood as what Jordan was given, so it will be good indication of market value.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:26 am
Dogg,
If we do get CJ, any chance we can convince him to turn his gold teeth in for a set of silver and black ones?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am
dakota, I appreciate the posts that Jerry uses to foment this blog site. I also do appreciate that he was willing to quote responses that did not coincide with what he had previously written. No, the Shefters and Mortensens and Claytons and Gays of this world won’t do that. nonetheless, a rumor is just a rumor is just a rumor.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
You know what gets me about these mediots…when they start quoting these “league sources” on RAIDER BUSINESS. Like what the eff does mo-Joe from Cincy or wherever know about Raider business? At least thats how I distinguish “league sources” from “team sources”. Its even worse when you realize that even “team sources” don’t know what the heck they’re talking about half the time.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Totally against getting CJ for one very important reason….it’s gonna cost at least our first round pick…3rd or 4th overall.We need to build, not waste. I believe anything is possible, but realistically, we’re not a playoff team yet, that’s why CJ wants to leave Cincy, we need to improve through the draft and free agency instead of throwing away 2-3 draft picks for 1 player IMO
February 1st, 2008 at 11:33 am
How much has Michael Turner benefitted from being that back-up to LT? How many defenders relaxed a bit when they saw the all-pro on the sidelines? Human nature.
He certainly was not impressive in the AFC title game when the defense knew that LT was out.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
about Jordan…
i can’t get the image out of my mind of Jordan thumping his chest … “my bad”, every time he dropped an easy pass that first year with us…
and i still can’t reconcile all the energy Jordan expends getting up to the line of scrimmage… if just some of that energy were used running toward the line of scrimmage, his freaking momentum would have gotten him an extra 3 yards per carry…
um, i’m not a big Jordan fan…
i like Fargas though…
and i really like just thinking what Michael Bush might do next year…
February 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am
Exactly M - Thats why I am vehomently (sp?)opposed to Mike Turner, who some of our brethren would love to get. The guy is a freakin BACKUP!! They’re are backups in the league for a reason. Why would you want another BACKUP to be a STARTER? LJ hint hint.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am
vehemently
February 1st, 2008 at 11:44 am
I love it…..The same people squawking about Al Davis’ lack of loyalty are the same ones whos cried all off and preseason about the so called “Scholarship” players and Davis’ blind loyalty….Make up your tiny little minds!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
Yeah But he who laughs last…laughs best
like the joy and laughter of winning a Superbowl
No laughter in Sandy Eggo then.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
do you smell that???
February 1st, 2008 at 11:48 am
LT will never be the same.
Just a gimp with knee surgery now.
Oh yeah, so is Rivers.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:50 am
Say Charger, LT is out of gas and leaking oil. He had an interview yesterday and the interviewer asked him what was wrong. Charger fan questioning LT’s heart is just, well heartless. Dude your team is going in the wrong direction. You don’t have 2nd 3rd or 4th round draft picks this year. See ya back where you belong. Face planted in the bottom of the division, taking it like you have for 40 years
February 1st, 2008 at 11:52 am
wow… oakglenn
now that was rude!!!
(good, but rude)
February 1st, 2008 at 11:55 am
And Pete that’s the new improved cleaned up me!!!!! Followed by public service announcement:
Kids, substitute teachers are not objects of ridicule
February 1st, 2008 at 11:56 am
The Faidernation’s confidence is broken, scattered to the wind. It appears your united front is confused and torn just like your team. You will never see a championship again with AL DAVIS still breathing.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:56 am
Anyone on here watch the AFL?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:59 am
I saw the Raiders in the Super Bowl in 2002. I haven’t seen the Chargers there at all.
I know they went once, but I think they let the cheerleaders play the game.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Sorry to repost again. Oh BTW, in 1980 Raiders won the Super Bowl!!!!!
Chargers are STILL COMING IN HERE??? They must be really stupid. The Discharge HAD to get over last year or this year. Had to. they didn’t. Let me repost something I wrote earlier today:
Repost:
And as for the San Diego Dischargers, let’s take a quick look at them in the Conference Championship Games:
1980 Oakland Raiders 34 Lame Discharge 27
1981 Cinncinnatti 27 Lame Discharge 7
2007 New England 21 Lame Discharge 12
I would give them credit for the sole AFC Championship game they won, however the beat down they took in the Super Bowl was so gruesome, that with young children reading this blog, decorum and class prohibit me from discussing it here.
Bottom line, Raiders it’s useless to engage with Charger, they’re losing ways are too much to take. And now on to my public service announcement:
Only users lose drugs
February 1st, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Greetings Raider Nation,
I have not posted in almost a year, but have been reading the blog regularly. I have been reading and paying attention closely since last friday when all this hit the fan. I must admit I am furious at all of this nonsense. Perception is reality, and if the Raiders want to squash all this they could have done so with Kiffin and/or Davis speaking to the media. From all the rumors/reports that started during the season, there is/was a rift between Davis and Kiffin, but we do not know the extent of it or if they have moved on from it unless those 2 comment on it.
However it is true that the media, including the author of this blog, are guilty of embellishing and massaging the extent of the real situation. For example who should we believe when this blog and other articles state the Herrera quote regarding the loften situation in a light where it is vague and not clear whether Lane Kiffin after interviewing loften actually asks Davis and the Raiders to hire Loften and give him a contract. However the SF Gate article below shows the Herrera quote specifically including this:
“He(kiffin) told Mr. Davis to go ahead and get him on board. Jerry’s entire quote of Herrera regarding this issue leaves this part of the quote out. Now maybe Jerry heard it different or Herrera did not mention that to Jerry and did to David. I find it hard to believe though that Herrera would leave that part out when talking to Jerry. This is what I am talking about when i say “massaging the truth.”
Dwhite’s article:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=23889
What i am sure of is that the last Fiday ESPN rumors of Kiffin being stripped of personnel and coaching authority have have been clearly debunked with local media reports that Kiffin did in fact interview with Loften on Monday.
Let’s hope this does not affect our ability to draft well and get quality FA.
Raider Nation Baby!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Continue to live in the past Raidernation, and the Charger fans will love you for it. Ever been to a Faider game all you see on the scoreboard are old Raider highlights from the 60’s, 70’s , and 80’s. That is pathetic. I believe you guys are the only team that holds onto the past. And taking it in the rear? Seems to me the Raiders are better at that than any team in the last six years.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Sorry Charger can’t talk, I’m too busy polishing my Super Bowl rings. They look nice don’t they. You know why Charger can only talk about the future??? They haven’t lost there yet.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dakota -
From what I understand CJ has several sets of removable grills, one of which may or may not be silver and black, now that I think about it, they are probably platinum and black.
Raiderwill1980 -
Regarding CJ, I highly doubt that Cincy will get a 1st round pick for him, especially in this years draft. The reason being that everybody in the NFL knows that he wants out of Cincy, which means teams will wait if they have to, knowing that Cincy will HAVE to make a move eventually, unless they want a cancer in the locker room all season long. They might get a 2nd rounder and if they do it will probably be in next years draft.
A trade scenario will most likely be a 3rd or 4th for next year packaged with a second tier player. That’s my guess anyway.
OG - any thoughts?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Charger LT is done. Jamal Williams your best defender is done. You don’t have draft pix in 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounds this year. Do what you do best. Bend over and take it from the rest of the league.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Do you know why the Chargeless don’t show highlights from the past at their games? What are they supposed to show Stan Humphries handing the ball off to Natrone means while they get their butt handed to them by the 9ers in the Super Bowl? Or maybe they can show LT sitting on the bench crying like a little girl.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Dogg, I agree. Maybe a 2nd rounder, which is what Cincy paid for him, plus a couple of defensive players. Fabian Washington, maybe Schweigert too. Would you a 2nd rounder, Washington and Schweigert for 85??
February 1st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Maybe a 2nd rounder next year and Schweigert. I’m not ready to give up on Washington just yet. I would gladly throw in Brayton though…
February 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Unfortunately, you are right Charger LT…giggidy, giggidy…alriiiiight!
February 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I used to, but they merged with the NFL a few years back. The Bills had better unis then. So did the Chargers, for that matter. And the Patriots. And the Colts and Steelers weren’t in our league.
And Al Davis was the commish, and Pete Rozelle hated his guts. And vice-versa.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Hey Charger only winning teams like to fondly remember the past. You know like the teams that have won a superbowl or three. Like the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers and Steelers. You know real legacy teams.
You Charger fans are always the bridesmaids and never the bride, sign.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
So the senate is interested in the spygate videos and why the NFL destroyed them! I say go Arlen
February 1st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I second that notion Hobs. It’s about time too. I read somewhere that Arlen is a closet Raider fan.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
B_rainfarts L_ies O_pinions G_ames S_peculations…..
are you guys gonna grow up and stop making a fool out of ALL of us now?
….on a daily basis for the sake of a freeking post lol?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Charger boy? Kind of sounds like “Under Dog”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I really hope to god that Denny Green will never be a coach of the Raiders. I really hope that Bush comes out like a mac truck next year, I guess we’ll see what happens. I honestly wouldn’t mind CJ in a silver and black Jersey, but I’d have to agree that I’d take Roy Williams over him too. I read on one website that the raiders where changing uniforms for next year, anyone know anything about this?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Dogg, he has to show allegience to the Eagles, but yeah secretly he probably wears silver and black.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Yeah, the raiders are changing their logo want to see?
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=33937
February 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
K-Rock… I know you were talking Arena league, but I had to throw the American Football League out there. Maybe some of you guys have heard of this book, maybe some of you haven’t, but it’s worth seeking out.
It’s called “The Other League” and is a definitive history of the old AFL from, literally, the beginning to the end. Great photography, stories, player and team profiles, etc. Their All-Time AFL team includes Willie Brown, Dave Grayson, Jim Otto and others.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Oakglenn,
I would do our 4th round pick, Fabian, and Stuart for 85. We need to use our 1st 2 round picks and get 2 starters out of this draft. The rest of the rounds is not going to help as we dont have a 3rd or 5th.
Round 1 - DL: Long,Ellis,Dorsey in that order.
Round 2 - OL: Gosder Cherilus(if avail), best avail LT
Unless Dorsey tanks at the combine, I think we maybe able to trade down in the 1st round from pick 3/4 to pick 6/7 and get Ellis and an extra 2nd rounder. This extra 2nd rounder should be a Strong Safety. 215 lbs + and big hitter. No more 200 lb safeties that are fast. We have plenty of speed on defense.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Yeah, notice how that Raider is looking right at the Discharge (faaaaart) putting up the L sign. BTW, how’d you do one game away from the Super Bowl Discharger???? (faaaaart) Oh right, you lost again. (faaart)
February 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Kansasraider….where in kansas?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Lord, there you have it. You’d probably HAVE TO give up a 2nd rounder for #85. Plus one other guy.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
This is good draft site with 4 round mock and positional player rankings.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php
February 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Arlen’s an iggles fan. It says he calls into a sportstalk radio on mondays.
I hope he nails those somanum batches, too.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Oakglenn,
If it takes a 2nd rounder than i say no deal to 85. You are probably right that Cincy will want a 2nd or at least 3rd for 85.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Yeah Lord at least a 2nd and a good defender. And I’m with you then, no deal.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm
You know I used to not even care about the Dischargers, they meant nothing to me because they sucked for so long and always lost. They have a hummingbird qb with an alligator mouth who is always flapping and never backing it up, I hate them a little more every year. And LT really showed his true colors last year when someone made fun of that gay steroid induced Merriman ladder dance when they lost and he started to cry after he ran onto the field to “act” like he might actually fight someone for it, so the dance is o.k. to do unless it’s done to them? Bottom line - Rivers sucks (can you say 4 FG’s and no touchdowns?) LT is a baby and without your tight end who is your best WR, you can’t even contend. It won’t be long until the Raiders put you back where you belong.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
But that may change if we get to day 1 of the draft and no takers for 85. A 4th plus players may work for Cincy. We got desperate with moss at that time of the draft last year.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Proudly representing Oakland from McPherson KS. since 1980.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
“Oprah, Call Me!”
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
there is a story on PFT about an ex-employee of the Patriots who worked in the video department for them. Does anyone know what the speculation is that he knows?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Yessss!! Brad Roll has been hired as Strengh coach. All of our problems are solved!
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=38234
February 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Good Lord Almighty
Big props to Arlen Specter, pounce on Senator…millions of NFL fans have your back.
I just read the espn story, it´s a must read, a Pats former video assistant from 96 to 06 never contacted by the league while a ”thorough investigation” took place?…hmmm
Specter a member of the Senate´s Judiciary Committee writtes a letter to Goodell on Nov. 15 and Goodell says he learned about it 2 months later?…hmmm.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm
ATLRaider Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Yessss!! Brad Roll has been hired as Strengh coach. All of our problems are solved!
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=38234
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can he still play center???
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I say if we can get 85 without giving up the farm, so be it. But is HAS to be a good deal for us and not a desperation-give-up-more-than-we-should thing, or else we compromise too many other areas on what is a young and developing team. One thing that tells me that we porbably aren’t interested, though, is the hiring of James Lofton. He’s here to coach young guys to get better, in my opinion, and it feels like that’s the way we’re going with the WR position.
As far as Roy Williams, I say no. He’s not as young as he used to be and his coverage weaknesses are well-known and exploited more now than ever.
Remember this name: Josh Barrett, Arizona State. Strong safety noted for his toughness and run-stopping ability. He’s 6-2/225 and, according to scouting reports is a classic, in-the-box run-stuffing safety that has good cover skills as well. One scouting report describes him as “a safety in a linebacker’s body.” I don’t think (barring a trade) we’ll get anywhere near Kenny Phillips, and this guy seems to be a better fit for what we need than Phillips would be anyway.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I am not a big fan of congress getting involved with sports like they did with MLB, however I would not get my feelings hurt if they got this Walsh guy on the stand.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
whoops just read my post 116 that’s here not hear.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
On the other hand, I wouldn´t be surprised if national media oulets release an ”Al Davis suspected of harboring Bin Laden in a secret bunker under the Alameda complex, some suspect they are the same person” breaking story…”on a related note, there was some nonsense going around about some senator trying to tarnish the patriots legacy”.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
what’s that smell???
February 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Thanks for the Brad Roll info, Florida Pete.
Did anyone notice who interviewed him for the job?
February 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Im in Falun, Kansas just north of you 20 miles
February 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Is that where the liitle red school house is?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Raider from Birth….Kiffin.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“That smell, it smells like, victory” Robert Duvall
February 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Kiffin is better then Norv, and he could take him in a fight.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
nope it’s 7 miles west of Assaria 12 miles northwest of Lindsborg…. the only business still open here is the grain elevator.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Quagmire… yeah, I know. Just making a point.
Thanks, though.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
No one’s been fired, no one’s been released. So why you crying?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Oh and BTW Discharge, We now have a copy of your playbook.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Frustration is the name of the game with the Raiders. Al Davis, it appears, wants to destroy this time. This goes all the way back to what happened with Marcus Allen. Davis wants control more than winning. Actions speak louder than words. He may own the team, but the fans deserve much better than what he has given since the last Super Bowl appearance.
Commitment to Excellence is nonexistent with this franchise the way it is now. This is just mere rhetoric that gets more and more stale, as it is no longer backed up with winning. On the bright side, at least they did better than last year and beat 2 AFC West opponents.
As long as Al Davis has anything to do with the Raiders, forget playoffs or a Super Bowl win. Learn from the Patriots - they went out and secured the BEST PLAYERS AND COACHES!! Why is Randy Moss doing well with them when he didn’t do well with the Raiders? The answer is obvious. I liked the Raiders the way they used to be, when they were WINNING! Get the picture, Al Davis? WINNING. W-I-N-N-I-N-G. Very different from L-O-S-I-N-G.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Davis was loyal to Ryan. It was Kiffin that allowed his interest in the ARK job get in the news and back to Davis.
And Who did Davis fire that did not need to be fired?
February 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Nancy
February 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Are the people claiming that adding Stu and Brayton to the trade offer for Ocho Cinco in order to make it attractive for Cincy the same that are saying that these guys should be cut?
If so, maybe you should rethink their value to the rest of the league. The last time that I looked, the Raiders roster wasn’t so stacked such that those that can’t make our ‘08 team are gonna be good pick-ups for better teams.
So PLEASE try to consider the other team’s perspective and valuation when proposing a trade. I don’t think that a 4th, Stu and a couple of lightly used jock straps is going to be the best offer that the Bengals would get from a proven talet like CJ, so get real. Or at least state that it’s a dream scenario for you.
Remember, it’s not about what is a good deal for the Raiders. His asking price will be set by the team willing to pay the most. My hunch says that there are other teams out there that feel like they are one bonafide #1 WR away from being a top notch team. There would be a serious bidding contest for #85 if and when he is put out there. And I don’t think that the Raiders are ready to pay that price yet.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Zymurge… thanks for that. I’ve never understood how someone that should be cut from a 4-12 team could possibly be considered seriously as trade bait for anyone, much less a player the caliber of Chad Johnson.
85 would be great. He’s a darn good player and charismatic to boot. We would have to steal him to justify a trade, though. His salary alone puts too many eggs in one basket, so to speak.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Zymurge -
Only time will tell regarding Chad Johnsons value. You are right though it’s all about the highest bidder. When I mentioned the scenario earlier, it was one that I thought would benefit the Raiders the most.
I still think his value you will be lower than you think based on the fact that all teams in the NFL know that CJ wants OUT of Cincy. If CJ wants out so bad, and if Cincy doesn’t unload him, he could become a distraction and a cancer in the locker room of a team that doesn’t need any more headaches. Knowing this teams will under bid for his services, knowing that Cincy, at some point, will have to settle. Very similar to the Moss situation last year actually.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Maybe we can trade Brayton, Schweigert & Simms for some tackling dummies.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
see ya KoolKell er umm I mean Charger Boy
February 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I don’t like the Patriots at all, so let me make that clear. What I DO like is what they did to start winning. The Raiders could have and should have done that long ago.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
KK - you’re not very bright are you?
lol
February 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I hate the Patriots as much as anyone, but the Fed. Government should not be sticking its nose in the NFL’s business. Besides Specter is a RINO.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm
So is McCain
February 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Man it totally slipped my mind that this was SuperBowl weekend. Man if it aint the RAIDERS then I don’t get too interested. How can I root for another team?
With that said: GO GIANTS!!!!
hahahaha …man Mr. Davis, please don’t make me leave the S&B. I know you won’t. 2008 will be the final year of mediocrity. All years following will be post season memories - contenders - for the next 10 years.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
terrapin…
i think you are closer to the truth than you realize…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
WHAT’S THAT SMELL…
February 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I agree Explain It To Me
February 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Mr. Terrapin -
Thanks for the “shout out” as the kids say these days. I am doing everything in my power to make the Raiders a contender for years to come. Thank you for your patience and allegiance.
Al Davis
February 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Maybe other teams will see what happened with Moss this year and think that some of our scrub players are only bad because they’re on the Raiders. Maybe we can squeeze out some more value for scrubs like Jordan and Schweigert
February 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Chad Johnson told Kirk Morrison he can turn the Blackhole white. Wow
February 1st, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Uknown I just saw that too. Al do something right and go get Chad!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
let me help…
Schweigert is one of the best freaking safties to ever play the game of football…
if he were on any other team he would have been All-Pro 3 years running… he’s another Rod Woodson …
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there, that should do it…
85 straight up trade for Stu…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Where did you see this?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
The jim rome show
February 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Nice Florida Pete… We all must do our parts lol… by the way are you related to Handsome Pete?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
i ain’t handsome…
i’m a raider fan!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Sorry that was a Simpsons reference
February 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
ahhh!!!!
so how is O.J. these days???
February 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I believe in Chad. He can change the culture on the field because he is willing to go over the middle and take a hit. Plus, why would he say Al come and get me.He could’ve said any owner but he said Al. I like that enthusiasm!
February 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
In what context did Chad Johnson say that?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
We got Roll and guess what…
Roll interviewed with Raiders Head Coach Lane Kiffin and reached an agreement with the organization.
Kiffin was involved, what no spin on this story?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
he can play center…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Chad Johnson also said “85 + 89 equals Super Bowl” while on Charlotte radio, referring to his buddy Steve Smith with the Panthers. He’s courting the entire league, anywhere but Cincy for him.
It is kind of funny though that on a national NFL show he said “Oakland, call me”. Maybe he is imagining the possibilities of playing with a qb like JaMarcus.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Terrapin
He was joking around with Kirk but he was serious. He said Al come and get me, I can turn the blackhole white. Dont take this as a ‘racist’ statement but I cant picture the blackhole white. Seriously, he seemed very sincere about coming to the Raiders Terrapin
February 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pm
k..i din’t take it as a racist remark though…but thats good to hear that he may want to come to oaktown…make it happen Kiffin …unless we got bigger plans
February 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
why wouldn’t CJ want to come to the Raiders.all the players know that if you’re an older(31),me first,on the downside of your career player,you can come to the raiders an old man Al will over pay you.we need young blood,not players who are getting up in age.unless we could get CJ for a 4th-7th,no deal.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pm
What are you saying Lefty? We’re the NFL retirement home? lol
February 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Time to start for ALL concerned to talk football. Jerry will need to move on and my advice to John is not parlay.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Terrapin
You mean make it happen Al. Remember, Kiffin doesnt know if he is going are coming. lol
February 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
in a way-yes.Al always seems to go get these guys when they only have a few years at most left.he rarely gets some young stud in FA,usually older guys.lets build our team with youth so we can be good for more than a couple years at a time.like the old days which i know some of you don’t like mentioned but they did happen.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I love how all how all the Kiffin supporters/Raiders& AL haters who said that no top FA’s would want to come to Oakland.LOL!!!! “Oakland call me!” Just more proof that the AL-bashers/Raider haters are more concerned with exaggerating and hating than actual truth.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Somebody help me out the first member I recall is Calvin Branch of the “Why is he still on the roster?” a college running back converted to CB to safety and now is lost somewhere in the scouting department! The “N F E” National Football Entertainment gets better by the day! Will Goodell claim ownership of the Raiders? would that be equivalent to Vince trying to be a wrestler?
HELL!! All the Al supporters talk about loyalty he left all you guys and went to LA where the money “supposedly” was.. he came back thinking he was going to cash in some more… he was so ignorant he sued the county,city, whoever because they promised him sellouts …pleaseeeee Don’t bring the loyaty card against Kiffin.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Hey charger fan…why are you so concered about the raiders? Are you tired of crying over your own team…go to a chargers site so you can all whine together…When you guys win something worth talking about,get back to us.Until then eat shit……..
February 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Just Sign Ocho Cinco, Baby!
(…a LT, DT, DE, LB & Safety wouldn’t hurt either)
February 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
It was Oprah call me…not oakland…….
February 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
when the Raiders used to build the team thru the draft we were on top.since FA Al has tried to build more for each year than looking at the long haul-and it hasn’t worked.sure guys like CJ are talented,but haven’t we learned that when players start to get up in age it really is more about the benjamins.young talent is hungry and needs to make a name,old guys need security as they can see the end getting closer.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Dakota -
The Lakers just traded Kwame Brown, rookie Javaris Crittenton and their 2008 and 2010 first-round draft picks to the Griz for Pau Gasol.
Just thought you might like to know…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Hobnarly said …
Hey Charger only winning teams like to fondly remember the past. You know like the teams that have won a superbowl or three. Like the Raiders, Cowboys, Packers and Steelers. You know real legacy teams.
Legacy teams last 28 years
Pitt 1-1 in SB
Dall 3-0 in SB hasnt won a playoff game in 11 years.
GB 1-1 in SB
Raiders 2-1
Looks like they are struggling to keep up with Al.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Success breeds success… well Erratic owner breeds erratic fans. I mean always looking for a malcontent which is what Johnson is to save the team. How about a new D-coordinator and some real FULL TIME DT & DE that would be a start.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I wouldn’t mind OchoCinco….but I saw on another blog that the Lions are putting Roy Williams on the block.
…….above someone mentioned Shaun Rogers as well.
That’s a trade I could see working with #’s 30, 91, 27, 34,….there is all kinds of ways a deal could happen with the Lions…..maybe get a 3rd from ‘em too?
(I can dream!!)
I BEEN IN FROM JUMP.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Marley, I’m glad the spotlight is back on the NFL for spygate, but Arlen Specter has no right to be talking about cover-ups(see Magic Bullet Theory)
February 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Another high priority is trying to find a replacement for Barry Sims at LT. JaMarcus getting drilled on his blind side against SD hopefully stuck a fork in Sims’ Raider career. You can’t have your $60 million future being protected by the WORST left tackle in the NFL.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
With Chad we can be on the up-n-up
February 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
85 and his act this year were a little to MOSS like.
I believe he has skills but I wonder if he will be MOSS like in the Locker Room as well.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Native -
Did anyone on here say “First things first we need to get Chad Johson in the Silver and Black”. Nope. All of the Raiders needs have been covered on this blog including DLine and safety help among many others. The Chad Johnson talk is just that.
You might want to settle down a bit. When you call Raider fans erratic you don’t shine a very good light on yourself. I’m just saying…
February 1st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Sorry mom, but steelers have 5 rings. I was referring to the whole legacy
February 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Gentleman, and ladies, the word is that all FA’s wish to sign with the Raiders in order to propel them back into prominence. Everyone outside of Bristol, Connecticut is sick to death of Tuck Bundchen. The conspiracy turns in favor of the Nation.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Chad will get the ball. Jamarcus is a quarterback unlike walter and brooks.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
We want the Raiders to win so bad we come short of selling our souls to the devil. Maybe AL has.?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I said the past 28 years.
Go back ten years and we have been to a SB.
Dallas and GB have not
My point is why cant the legacy teams make the playoffs and SB every other year as you expect Al to?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Native, you think the governing body of the NFL hasn’t?
February 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Slapper…
Lol, I hear you, how embarrasing is it then that Specter of all people is calling you out?.
Takes one to know one, don´t they say something like that?.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
because I am not a fan of those teams
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I haven’t read about any Left Tackles worth a damn as either FA or draftee. Jake Long seemed a slow-footed behemoth when I saw him play.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Wow. Where did that lame Discharge fan go??? Here’s a lesson for everyone here. He was on his own site, and he was the only one there. It was like echoing in a cave. How’s about them Dischargersssssssssssssss? Hellooooooooooooooo. Anyone hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? That’s why he came here. To find someone. Anyone. Of course he found us, you know why???? Because We’re here. And we’re not going anywhere. And we stand our ground. We stand and fight.
I’m serious when I say this. The Dischargers were one game from the Super Bowl and now their “fans” are out surfing, or surfing for porn. Us, we’re 4-12 and we’re all here debating how to get this team better. That’s why this is the greatest fan base in the world, and why we are gonna get better.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
On this site at any given time are people from rural Kansas, The UK, Texas, Montana, Denmark, Dakota , Florida,Mexico, New York… on and on… pity the poor boy in SD where there is no fan base whatsoever.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
HEY JERRY.. IF WE [ RAIDER FANS ] DIDN’T HAVE HATERS…WE WOULD’NT BE IN THE NEWS SO MUCH. THANKS JERRY.. KEEP IT GOING.
BAY LUV / HATE : ]
MR. SNAKE
February 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I THINK LANE IS GOING TO BE A GOOD COACH BUT WHAT’S THE DEAL WE WERE
4 -12 AND EVEN LANE KNOWS THAT NOT A GOOD LOOK. LETS WAIT AND SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT WITH THE QB AND THE DEFENSE. HUGGY BEAR IS THE RB THAT CAN GET US OVER THE TOP BUT WE NEED ANOTHER [ BUSH MAYBE ] ALSO ANOTHER TE.
BAY LUV,
MR. SNAKE
February 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
M
Dont forget Scottland…
By the way, Where is Scottish Raider?….
I´m very concerned he has crossed the atlantic and is now in American soil looking to extract his own brand of justice on Al Davis…I have always pictured him as Willie from The Simpsons.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Get off of C. Johnson’s Johnson.Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
oakgirl
February 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Marley, when I mentioned the UK I was including Scottish Raider and since I don’t know where Hobs Gnarly is located I decided to use an ecompassing designation. No slight intended ye Scotsman.
He could indeed be Willie.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
LT wussied his way out of a shot at the Big Game.
At least he didn’t cry this year, like after last year they lost to the Patsies. Chargers Suck. LT is Soft.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Hey Underdog do you know what your Chargers all time winning percentage is?
w l t %
343 354 11 .492
They have an all time losing record.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
M,
I’m in England Molesworth RAF to be exact
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Haven’t from any of the Down Unders in a long time either. Perhaps they got disinterested by the childishness which inhabited this site some time ago. Or they’re at the beach enjoying voluptuous summertime views.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
So this Roll fella has spent the last 2 years keeping Ike Bruce, Marc Bulger, Torry Holt, S. Jackson, L. Little, Orlando Pace and his OL mates healthy?.
Allright.
(sigh)
February 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
they raise a lot of sheep in Montana…..look for Scottish there first.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I’m not English, heck no from the good ole USA. I wish I could say from somewhere cool, but I grew up in Bronco country (UT) and it was a treat when we got to see the Raiders play
February 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Was hoping the Raiders would come to London, maybe 2009
February 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
M
Yeah, I was just looking for an entrance to express my Scottish concerns..lol…oh and that should have read exert not extract.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Hobs, if the NFL allowed the Raiders to play in London it would develop into the NFL’s greatest nightmare. The stands in Wembley would be packed with members of the Nation from all corners of the globe.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Lets anylise Jerry McDonalds Column.
Dysfunction,is an academic and applied discipline involving the scientific study of mental process and behavior.
Perception,Is the process of aquiring,interpeting,selecting and organizing sensory info.
Free agents,are players without a team.
Therefore, I beleive our first pick should possess,smarts,discipline and the need to think and react violently.He should aquire his target and let him know his senses are about to be disrupted.Finally he should never become a free agent.He should always be a Raider.
So when you look at it scientifically the number one pick should be Chris Long.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Not a flaw in your ideas “Once Upon a Time in the West”
also a fully underappreciated masterpiece of cinema which my femme francaise declares the best western ever made.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
oakglenn….geuss its back to the future for him lol
February 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
M, compared to the rioting and hooliganism that goes on in England, the stuff that happens in the HOT is just good, clean fun.
The occasional fist fight is one thing. People out there get trampled…
February 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm
4real..chelsea head hunters…birmingham zulu etc
February 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
John S, I wasn’t referring to any shenanigans on the part of Raider fans descending upon England, I was referring to the nightmare the NFL has of acknowledging that Oakland is the most popular franchise they have. They would rather spin that it is treacherous and dysfunctional and ever in turmoil.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
oops, sorry guys
February 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pm
SO LETS’ SEE SHALL I START W- CAPS?
OR SHALL I WORK MY SELF INTO FERVORED FRENZY FIRST ??? HUMM!!!!!
well lets’see , 1week ago ROBRYAN,showed all of you ryan folk that there is no DEFENSE for him as a a coach or HUMAN! he is a NON COACH &HE ALWAYS WILL BE #1, AND HE IS DEFINETLY ‘ SUB HUMAN” #2 !
once again he is given a “PROVEN ,DOMINATING ALL STAR CAST CALLEDTHE ” NORTH ALL STARS! AND HE REDUCEDTHEM TO A UNDERACHIEVING BUNCH OF NON FACTOR ,
VERRATED TYPES!
” THEY BLEW A BIG LEAD IN 4TH QTR!”
SOUND FAMILIAR!!
ISNT THIS WHAT RAIDERS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR 4 YEARS NOW!!!! YEAAAHHH!!!!!!!
SO THIS SHOULD DO IT ONE MORE TIME!!!! NO MORE PRO RYAN ANYHTING!! HE MUST BE FLOGGED/BEATEN/DRAGGED TO BORDER & DUMPED IN NEAREST RIVER OR LAKE ! AND LEFT FOR ANY OTHER AFC TEAM TO HAVE OTHER THEN MINE!!! “THEMIGHTY RAIDERS”
February 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
WE dont need free agents! we got the talent on this roster to win with!!!
we just need better DEF CORD #1
and
A HEAD COACH WITH HIS OWN AGENDA!!#2
SO FIRE RYAN & PUT LANE ON ALERT !!
( i still say this has got all to do with him promising MONTE during his initial interview w/ davis,and not being able to deliver his own dad)!
o.k. we need a starter @ SDT,
THANX to kiff&ryan cutting all the good ones,and not gettin grady jax or tank for free!!
we got kelly @wdt, brayton@ sde , sands,shaw,warren to rotate @sdt/wdt/sde! burgess @wde,rotating w/ williams,brayton !! oh whoever the new def cord is will cut clemons , & richardson immediatley!! they are a NO TALENT JOKES!!!!O.K.THATS FINAL!!!!RITE THERE WE GOT 7 DEF LINEMEN READY WE CAN USE 9 YEAR ROUND! ALSO ALL WE GOTTA DO IS GO GET BACK ANY TWO OR MORE OF GTHER FOLLOWING CUT PLAYERS
HUNTLEY/MOSES/RIDDLE/RASHAD MOORE/BING/TOLLEFSON/FRAMPTON AND WE ARE FINE!! OH YEAH & KEVIN BOOTHE!!! THE NLY PROBLEM IS THE OTHER TEAMS ARE GONNA WANT HIGH DRAFT PICKS IN RETURN , DUE TO THE TALENT LEVEL THEY ALL POSSESS!!!ANY ONE OF THESE 9 PLAYERS ARE BETTER THEN WHAT WE GOT NOW!!!
AND THEY WERE AT THE TIME OF THEIR CUTTING!!!
THAT IS WHAT ZACK & MOSS MEAN WHEN THEY SAID ” BUDDY SYSTEM & NOT ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL THERE ” O..K.
THEY WERE PRETTY CLEAR, THE COACHES ,
NOT AL DAVIS!!!!! O.K.
ZACK SPECIFICALY THNAKED AL & BOOED LANEY & RORBYAN!!!O.K. FACT!@!!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Soulpatrol you’re a mess.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Quite a rant there SP2. Not exactly certain what it was pertaining to. Is there some sort of self-medicating involved? Hope you feel better.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
LORD RAIDER #78
Al Davis thinks all media is “good” media.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Jerry were you aware of the Brad Roll interview?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
nice Q native?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
remove the question mark…
February 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
In early January I questioned the conditioning of the Raiders and stated how it would be nice to replace fish, to all that wish R. Ryan gone I will continue to chase the Lucky Charms’ Leprocon and make him make my wish of getting rid of Ryan come true.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
raiderwill1980 Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Totally against getting CJ for one very important reason….
Who has proven better than CJ that we should draft in the first round. I don’t see a huge gap in talent from 1st to 2nd round from position to position (ex. the RB’s) I’d trade our first rounder for CJ in a second. He screams “Raiders”!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
How is this possible? Who would want to come to this dysfunctional franchise ? Kiffin did the interview ? Was AL in the loop or did Lane hire this guy on the downlow ?
Jerry, can you muddy up the waters please I cant take the lack of media spin on this!
# ATLRaider Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Yessss!! Brad Roll has been hired as Strengh coach. All of our problems are solved!
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=38234
February 1st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Notice there is nothing about Lofton but the RAIDERS.COM reported on the interview and hiring of Roll hum.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Yeah on Roll, and like someone asked earlier…Where´s the spin on that?…
What? no Davis hiring behind Kiffin´s back? not another sign that hell is about to break loose? not the latest Davis power move to hummiliate Kiffin and force him to quit?.
The media is getting sloppy.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
What would Zack Crocket care about Rob Ryan? Of course he’s pissy about Lane, he cut him.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Bob, it’s Friday, I’m about to get sloppy.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Lane had a cold as a child but Monte did not want him to sneeze on the furniture so Monte told Lane to be a good boy and do as he wished. He told Lane that if he held his sneezing he would never have to answer any media rumors if he didn’t want to. Case closed. Anything else to dispense with?
February 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
John S…lol…I guess you’re right.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Excerpt from Raiders.com Keith Millard Jan 26.. Sounds like Kiffin…Who was he referring to when he said “we”
“You get to see them first hand. You are right there working with the players. You get to see what they do, how they are in meetings, how they retain information, you get to see first hand how they practice, do they practice hard? You kind of get to know their personalities a little bit and see how they react to everything you give them,” Millard explained. “We are trying to keep a fast pace, we’re moving and grooving, doing different drills. Some of this stuff they probably haven’t done before so you like to see how they react to that. We get to see everything that they do and that is a major advantage as far as I am concerned and as far as getting a jump on things for the Draft, prior to the [NFL Scouting] Combine. It doesn’t get any better than this.”
February 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Notice how I have already written extract instead of exert and hummiliate instead of humiliate today. Sloppy Bob.
February 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Can Roll be trusted? LOL
On the picture they posted on Raiders.com he’s wearing a silver shirt but no Raider logo anywhere and no hat either!
February 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Native..Lol..I don´t think you can.
Plus, I don´t like/trust guys who button all the way up like that.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
WELL john s, a roster spot, is a “SPOT” , and if ryan dont cut the rite guy on D, then the O needs to compensate with an extra cut!!! like keeping chris johnson CAUSE HE CAN “PLAY SAFETY , MAYBE , AAAHH JUST IN CASE “”
YOU SEE,YOURBOY RYAN CUT 5 STARTING CALIBER SAFETYS , JUST SO HE COULD KEEP HIS BOYFRIEND/SNITCH/RAT/FLY ON THE WALL ” STUEY” ! FACT/!!!!!!O.K.
OH HEY ‘MISTA BROWN” THANX, youve proven to be WRONG on almost everything this year,so thanx for agreeing w/ me thru PROXY,
( iknow a big word for some of you poor grammer & single letter types!!)
oh yeah 1 more thing ” buster brown” who do you like in supe bowl,with & without points , and the over under please! so that way all us SMART,NON SELF LOATHING FOLK CAN GO THE OPPOSITE!!!
O.K. PLEASE REPSOND BY KICKOFF PLEASE!!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
What happened with Fish… was he fired? or simply contract expired?
anyone…
February 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Just sell baby……..and so it is !!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Raider nation Shazam a Raider who I am ! All this hoopla here’s the scoop ya’ll .Give me a dominating DT,Mlb,a true SS (Huff’s a FS).I’ll coach our Silver and Black! Question was it really Rob Ryan’s scheme,or was he lacking these ingredients? Hmmm !Raider nation where ya at ? Who are the top prospects at WR,LT,C,and runningback besides (Mcfaddden)if he’s not a Raider on day one .Personally I think we attack free angency on the defense side of the ball .then load up the offense in the draft.find a solid LT in free agency too!Raider nation where ya @ Holla at a brotha !
February 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Something on this:
“The Oakland Raiders have added Brad Roll, who has 15 years of pro coaching experience, as strength and conditioning coach. Roll interviewed with Raiders Head Coach Lane Kiffin and reached an agreement with the organization.”
Is Kiff still under control of SOME of the Raiders hirings??
February 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
http://snrmedia.com/temp/chadjohnson20080131.mp3
Johnson interview, He said he wants 3 things:
1.”Opportunity to win”
2.”Get a ring”
3.”Play after Dec. 30 for a change.” “PERIOD!”
” I can’t be CJ here”(Cinci)
February 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I GUESS LIKE AL WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE IN THE PAST TO FOR ANY CHANCE OF KNOWING WHAT WINNING IS LIKE REMEMBER THE DAYS AHHH YAHHH THOSE WERE!!!!!!!! THE GOOD OLD!!!!!DAYS WE ALL LOVED YOU AL AND ARE ALL LOYAL OAKLAND TO LA…LA TO OAKLAND I WONT GO TO DUBLIN…COME ON WE LOVE LOYALTY TOO BE LOYAL TO YOUR STAFF AFTER ALL YOU PICKED THEM THEY DIDNT PICK YOU. AND BE LOAYL TO YOUR FANS BECAUSE WE PICKED YOU AND IF YOU KEEP IT UP WE JUST MIGHT PICK SOMEONE ELSE (I HEAR DENVER HAS BEEN LOYAL TO THEIR COACH AND LOOK TWO S.B RINGS) WE GET IT YOU JUST WANT TO WIN….AND WIN NOW BUT WHO WAS THE LAST FIRST YEAR COACH WITH A NEW TEAM TO TAKE THEIR TEAM TO THE S.B AND WIN DONT FORGET I KNOW YOU WONT SINCE YOU LIVE IN THE PAST….MABY THE RAIDER NATION WOULD BE BETTER OF ….. I HATE TO SAY IT BUT WELL MAYBE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF AL WAS IN THE PAST ALSO ;(
February 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
ok ok, i know this is our raiderboard, but i still can’t stop smiling about the trade my lakers pulled off today
February 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
The reason all this is still hovering in the news is because the showdown has not yet come to a definitive conclusion. It’s like a debate that drags on about who’s right and who’s wrong about something.
There will be a couple of situations during the week where players/assistants say enough is enough and want a resolution. It’s coming to a head.
But in the meantime, Lane is still head coach and is still working and making hires ‘alongside’ Al.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Is there a bigger clown out there than Peter King?.
Check out his blazing fast response to the Specter issue on from cnnsi.com:
”If I’m a Pennsylvania citizen, I’m furious that the most important politician in my state is spending time planning a hearing at which Roger Goodell will have to appear to justify why he destroyed the tapes. I’m furious because this is football, not national security. It’s absurd that Specter would think this is important enough to put the full force of the U.S. government into attacking it.”.
Whoa, attacking it? Specter is attacking the league now??..why so defensive dude?…
First of all Peter, this is not only ”football” it´s a multi-billion dollar industry paid for by the fans who believe they get a fair product on the field, if there´s the slightest chance of suspicion and the league fails to act properly on it they have to answer to someone else then.
But that´s nothing, check out this this gem from both Goodell and King:
”One of the other things we learned from Goodell today in his press conference is that the league destroyed six tapes plus some additional notes about the Patriots’ spying. He has said on several occasions, including today, that destroying the tapes was the best way to prevent the Patriots from keeping any of the tapes or documentation of the tapes.
”By doing this, he reasoned, any leaks of the tapes in the future would be traced directly back to the Patriots and could result in further sanctions. We can disagree with that, which I do, but I can at least see the logic in it.”
The logic?.. First of all, are you telling me that the team caught cheating went ahead and delivered ALL of the existing tape? and that it amounted to only 6 tapes and some of them of pre-season games? and that by destroying the tapes they gave away, they made sure the Pats would never be able to use them, you do know that it´s rather easy to make a copiy, right?….and to top it all…Why on earth would the Patriost leak any of the tapes to anyone???.
How stupid do they think we are?.
Don´t stand there folks writte an e-mail to your Congress members, tell them we DO wanna know what happened there.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
great trade for the lakers!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
At the risk of being called a lunatic or worse, I will tell you that since spygate I have not bought any Kraft product and I never will again. well, at least until the Raiders win one, then I´ll forgive them.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I’m exhausted as to how things have gone downhill for the Raiders in recent years but I do seriously believe in some way the “NFE” is FIXED in some way or another!
Its still one of my favorite shows but I cant get over the feeling of it being fixed.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant and now a golf pro at the Ka’anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the Jets’ allegations which ended up with the record fines.
“If I had a reason to want to go public, or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke,” he told ESPN.com’s Mike Fish. “I could have said everything rather than having [Jets head coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out.”
Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1996 to 2003, also suggested to ESPN that he has information that could be embarrassing for the NFL and the Patriots. He has not been contacted by the NFL.
“If they’re doing a thorough
February 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Wait did we travel back in time or something? Is this 1990 when I came to America? TAPES!!! TAPES!!! (imagining Jim Mora screaming) this is the 2000s’ people can afford to have digital cameras but ‘NFE” franchises use tapes… Goodel probably knew it was going on he just didn’t do nothing until Mangi called the old wizard on it.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I think the old strength and conditioning coach took college job.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
there season has an *.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Yea Matt Walsh already hired him a lawyer and I believe the Patriots will be like Michael Jordan and it will come out how they really cheated and had impact on their winning! Goodel just messed up BAD. He either couldn’t trust his people or had something to hide my feeling BOTH!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm
LOL marley, that might be a little far, but I hear ya
February 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Just in Bellicheat RETIRES and moves to CALI to hang out with Ricky Williams in the Monk Monestary and spread peace and joy!
February 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I should have mentioned, I dealt with Rand-Whitney in my business, but not anymore.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
look the only people that benefit from all the media generated turmoil surrounding AL DAVIS,IS THE following PEOPLE & conections,
#1 LANE KIFFIN!-& ROBRYAN !!!
LANE lied to al & owners comitee, on contract stips,w/ “no i am not talking to arkansas or any other college team” , lane then deflects attention from him & directs it to al davis thru his cu>>T buddies CHRIS MORTENSON/ SHEFTER!BOTH ARE THE SAME!WITH ALL THESE WILD STORIES OF AL WRITING LETTERS,AND HIRING LOFTON BEHIND HIS BACK!! WHO BENEFITS? LANE & MEDIA, WHO LOOKS BAD ?? AL DAVIS ONLY!!
AND ROB RYAN ALSO IS LEAKING B.S. TO PRESS, SO HE FIGURES WITH ALL NEGATIVE PRESSS, AL MITE NOT MAKE ANY MOVES TILL DUST / FIRE GOES AWAY!
SO ROB RYAN HAS ALSO “ALL TO GAIN, & NONE TO LOSE” REMEMBER THERE ARE TO MANY GOOD RAIDER CUTS ON THE JETS & PATRIOTS, ROBRYANS EX- CRONIES ARE STILL THERE THO!!!!
SO HAS ANYONE THOUGHT OF THAT!! LANE FU’D ON 2 COUNTS , PROMISNG HIS DAD, AND TAKING CALLS FROM ARKANSAS & MICHIGAN!! O.K. SO AL SHOULD BE MAD AT HIM!
WHAT AL SHOULD DO TOMOROW, CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE, W/ LANE THERE REFUTING ALL THE PRESS HAS COME UP WITH, AND LANE THEN ANNOUNCES ROBRYANS’ FUNERAL , AND THE NEW DEF CORD IS ” RON RIVERA “
February 1st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Who are these Chargers everyone keeps talking about? Are they some kind of Canadian Football Team or something? I’ve never heard of them.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Chad Johnson or Jerry Porter:
Both have attitudes but one has some serious talent. I guarentee Johnson would be great here. I haven’t had a chance to read on anything concerning him but I would take him in a heartbeat. I agree to trade a 2nd round + a player. The Bengals defense is awful and I think they could be desperate for any kind of talent. Maybe we signed Sam Williams so we can trade him? They do need linebackers and badly. They’re also always looking for DT’s. I say trade Terdell Sands. They’ll get what they’ve always been looking for…AND MORE!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Jerry, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not buying any crap that doesn’t even sound logical. And I would certainly change/dump my traitor source that’s passing you this crappy information. How reliable can a backstabbing snake be.
I hope your source gets rooted out by Al Davis and Co. Then we’ll see some real fireworks.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=38234
This might have already been mentioned earlier by everyone but this is the new Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Oakland Raiders.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I hope they call Ray Guys name for canton tommorow.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I hope they call any Raider for Canton tomorrow.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Wasn´t there a regular poster named ray guy 8? I think I liked him…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Al kept Kiffin in the dark on Lofton Now he interviews Brad Roll without Al Then just hires him. When Al wakes up He’s gonna be pissed.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Allright, I´m taking my NFL-Pats beef to the Bar and there better not be any Pats fans there either!.
Have a good weekend people…
February 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Charger Hater ,
Jeff Fish went to the Falcons.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Bob Marley - That could be why he left. I think he mentioned something about being creeped out about something. lol. J/K.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I got a question as serious as cancer think about then ya answer !
If we don,t get chad . Who in college are the best prospects coming out of college @ WR ? If we don’t get Mcfadden who are the next best ? We know the holes ( LT, C , DT , MLB, SS)I want answers I want them NOW !
February 1st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
The fates of the finalists will be determined by Kent Somers (Cardinals), Len Pasquarelli (Falcons), Scott Garceau (Ravens), Mark Gaughan (Bills), Charles Chandler (Panthers), Dan Pompei (Bears), Chuck Ludwig (Bengals), Tony Grossi (Browns), Rick Gosselin (Cowboys), Jeff Legwold (Broncos), Mike O’Hara (Lions), Cliff Christl (Packers), John McClain (Texans), Mike Chappell (Colts), Sam Kouvaris (Jaguars), Bob Gretz (Chiefs), Edwin Pope (Dolphins), Sid Hartman (Vikings), Ron Borges (Patriots), Pete Finney (Saints), Vinny DiTrani (Giants), Paul Zimmerman (Jets), Frank Cooney (Raiders), Paul Domowitch (Eagles), Ed Bouchette (Steelers), Bernie Miklasz (Rams), Jerry Magee (Chargers), Ira Miller (49ers), Clare Farnsworth (Seahawks), Ira Kaufman (Buccaneers), David Climer (Titans), David Elfin (Redskins), Charean Williams (PFWA), and the following at-large voters: Howard Balzer, Jarrett Bell, John Clayton, John Czarnecki, Nancy Gay, Dave Goldberg, Peter King, Bob Oates, Len Shapiro, Vito Stellino, and Jim Trotter.
(Something tells me that Len Pasquarelli, Ira Miller, John Clayton, Nancy Gay and Peter King will have an impact towards Ray Guy not getting into the Hall of Fame. Just a hunch.)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:43 pm
P.F.T just reported that C.J made another pitch to be a Raider on the Jim Rome show.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:44 pm
LJ Da Raider:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/rankings.html
This should answer all of your questions.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kbse9vFIU9Q
Come get me AL!!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm
I guess it wasnt Oprah after all.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Huff24,
I agree with the nots except Clayton.I know Clayton works for ESPN but I am not so sure he would vote against Guy.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
UPSHAW THINKS OWNERS WILL TERMINATE DEAL
The guy who runs the NFL Players Association thinks that the league’s owners will decide to pull the plug early on the landmark 2006 Collective Bargaining Agreement that narrowly averted a year without a salary cap.
“It’s very clear to us from what we see in the tea leaves the owners will terminate the deal in November,” Upshaw said on Thursday. “I have prepared the players for the worst.”
To the extent that the owners will try to reduce the percentage of total football revenue paid to players, Upshaw won’t go for it.
“We will not agree to a rollback,” Upshaw said. “They are not hockey players and they are not hockey owners. We’re getting 60% of the revenue. When all is said and done, we’re not giving any of it back. I don’t want the owners to believe there is a Santa Claus. There is not one. At the end of the day, there will be a deal. I think they have to learn to survive on their 40%.”
(I almost want to see the salary cap go away because I think the Raiders would have a greater chance of becoming good again. We were always good without a salary cap. Who knows?)
February 1st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
About the video:
Instead of Chad Johnson…can we sign up that Veronica girl instead? Thats what I’m talkin bout.
February 1st, 2008 at 6:56 pm
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html
1st and 2nd round mock draft.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I don’t know much about betting so if someone does…correct me if I’m wrong.
If there was a minimum bet I could make in the Vegas odds and that minimum was $100…I would pick the Giants to win the Superbowl. Wouldn’t you be able to make a ton of money since most people are betting for the Patriots? I mean…you could really capitalize and the risk would be minimal.
Now…I am not a gambler so maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about but if its possible…I’d think it would be one heck of a strategy.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Ray Guy is out of the race again…
February 1st, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Huff24 i would put $20 bucks for the giants to win out right and hedge it with $20 bucks on the giants with the points. Barring a blowout you should break even at worst. And if the g-men pull off a upset you could be popping the bubbly
February 1st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Football is a game of field position, yet…there are no punters in the Hall of Fame.
Games have been decided by 3 points many times. How many game winning field goals have there been? There is only one kicker in the Hall of Fame - JAN STENERUD
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=203
(His name had to be Jan.)
February 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
THETOWN - Thats what I thought. How do you go about doing that?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Does anybody know when the coin toss for the 3rd/4rth draft possitions is suppose to be held?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
The first is called a straight bet
February 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Raiderkoolaid - During the Scouting Combine.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/combine.htm
The 2008 NFL Combine will be held February 20th-26th 2008
February 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
kool a Norwegian
February 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Huff24…
the next kicker in the HOF is going to be a Dane!
February 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Stenerud is the first “pure” placekicker to enter the Hall. His list of outstanding achievements is long. With 1,699 points, he ranked behind only the fabled George Blanda in all-time scoring at the time of his retirement.
(Now that is something to be proud of.)
February 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Thanks
February 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Yo smellas!
Did anyone actually see and hear C Johnson on Rome??
I would really like to hear a YES from someone.
Thanks
February 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Yes? Does that count?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm
LMN - And who are you referring to?
February 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Huff24 on post 273 left a link to youtube showing C Johnson saying it. He said it kind of jokingly but I am sure there was an element of truth or he wouldn’t have joked about it.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
I have too many posts out there…I gotta stop flooding. Its Halo 3 time. Peace.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Sadly only one Dane has played in the NFL…But he has all records a Kicker wants…
Morten Andersen
February 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Thanks Huff and Koolaid.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Get ready gents…quite time is about to end. Here comes the fires and hires. Its Feb and the positioning is about to heat up.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Anyone saying Ocho Cinco is gonna be a Raider because of those comments must also belive ESPN. That boat sunk deeper than the Titanic.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Krowlz,
I won’t belive nothin until its in black and white…I mean Silver and Black.
Having 8-5 in S&B is nice thought though, right?
February 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Chad was just being his goofy self. Mike Brown wont be too happy though. He has 18.5 million left on his current contract. Man, he could fill a huge need and a bunch of seats! Get him if you can Lane.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
yeah id have to agree….I think him a Jmac would go good together….Kinda opposites…You got the cool and calm and then mr center of attention. Kinda like a Jackie Chan and Chris tucker….well not really but It would definatly be interesting.
Just hope it wouldnt turn out to be Moss part 2. If Big Al is so big on loyalty, I dont see him around long if things dont go so good. Especially if he is blabin in the media.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
He definatly would bring attention to the Raiders.
I hope Bush tears up the field. Id love to see the offense stand out again.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Is he a Kiffin kinda guy though? He seems to be more of a me myself and I type, Lane seems to want team players.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I think his passion is very much like T.O. but he does’nt do it with a middle finger flying out the window.
I always remember when he was sobbing after a loss that they were’nt the Bengals of old. Comparing him to Moss is unfair and inaccurate.
Imagine fly routes with Jamarcus, holy crap!
February 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
What up fellas, I just got home from dinner and a movie with the wife. We saw There Will Be Blood. Unreal movie. Daniel Day-Lewis is a sure thing for best actor.
His character reminded me of Al Davis…watch the movie and you will see what I mean.
Thanks RaiderDogg, I am pumped about the Lakers’ trade…I can’t wait to see how that line-up works once Bynum returns.
Great day in the Dakota household.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Here is a great link to a bunch of mock drafts.
http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm
February 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Krowlz,
Think about it this way, when Moss came in Norv and Collins were here and we knew it was already bad. We were hoping somehow Moss would be the answer and thats when we found out who he really was, a selfish bastard. CJ on the other hand has his issues but I dont think they’re as bad as Moss’. I actually liked some of CJs antics like the pepto and most recently him grabbing the TV camera. That’s entertaining and causes no harm to anyone, especially his team. So I look at it as the guy goes the extra mile to entertain the fans. Just my opinion.
Now we have a coach who knows what he’s doing, has a good system he’s putting in place and one hell of a QB who looks very promising. Needless to say was not the case in 05 and 06.
F*** RANDY MOSS!!! AND THOSE CHEATING BASTARDS HE PLAYS WITH!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Couldn’t agree more StKaufman.
Dakota,
Thats what Ive been telling my friends about the trade. Wait til ANDREW comes back…and Ariza for reinforcements…I’m giddy.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Im not comparing him with Moss even though i referenced him. But its not like he is doing things the ideal way. He has not quit on anyone…so thats very good. At the same time the word ‘Loyalty’ sticks out in my mind after all of the things that have been going around lately.
Dakota: U could watch that online…not the same thing though. I saw No Country for Old Men..that was crazy.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Krowlz,
No Country for Old Men looks amazing too, but I don’t know if I missed it in the theaters or what…maybe they forgot South Dakota? Wouldn’t surprise me, we only have a population of 750K.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
La rdr- I kinda liked the things he did too. Cracked me up. I think it would be fun to watch him in the S & B for sure. Wouldnt say there isnt a risk, yes there is one with every player but he seems like there would be extra risk.
I envision things not going to good for him then he would split on us, making himself look risky for others. Then landing with a team and calming down to prove hes serious, and making a change in his ways. Kinda like T.O.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Right on LARDR76! Here’s to hoping Moss gets pancaked Sunday.
Krowlz,
I use to hate the Bengals in the mid 80’s, but I have to admit that I have become somewhat of a fan of their offense these past few years. From what I’ve seen it just appears TO ME that he’s just having fun with the whole thing. I think he’s a hell of competitor as I have seen that dude laid out on many occasions going for balls.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm
No Country dint have a strong showing…You probably missed it but it will be released on DVD soon I think.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Man I cant wait for the freakin season to start. Sure draft n everything first blah blah (it will be fun i know) but I really feel cut off. I need my fix. Seeing Jmac start 1 game… man I wanna see what we got with him. And Bush, cant wait to see him.
I do lean on the DMac side…he would be a helava lot of fun to watch( plus I think Kiffin saved Bush for 08) Hope D gets fixxed.
Im stuck watchin documentaries…and i dont have much of those.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I feel like im Silver Black N blue balled.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Thanks for the link Dakota. That should just about do it, huh?
Man, I’m friggin geeked about Gasol!! I hope we can hang on to Odom for at least 2 more seasons.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pm
While I am not fond of the way AD runs his ship, I am really tired of all the hate on AD. Its gotten personal and is now a full blown conspiracy by the media to run AD out of town on a pole. There is no guarantee things will be better when AD is finally gone. I think we need to stick together as a Nation and give AD his due, he will be gone soon enough. Its kind of like the lyrics from a Crossby, Stills, Nash and Young’s song…”if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you are with”
February 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Get a left tackle and Chad Johnson in free agency, draft Ellis or Dorsey in the 1st round then Laws in the 2nd round.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Dakota has heard all of this before but I am just not all that impressed with McFadden. I REALLY like him but not as a top 4 pick.
This draft is so deep at RB that I would go after the DL or OL with that high of pick and if need be get a RB in the 2nd. I’ve preached Jamaal Charles a few times and I believe he would be a steal for us kind of in the Bush scenario. If not, go deeper into the 4th or 5th.
There are certainly other needs unfortunately.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm
With all of the talk of Mr. Davis’ demise. I wonder how it will be recived by the NFL, media and the rest of the world. I hope they give him all the credit he deserves. That man has done more than many dream of.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Saint,
Mitch really came through. Never in my wildest dreams did I think he could pull something like this off, makes me wonder if THE LOGO had a hand in it somehow…just kidding Mitch.
I hoped for maybe an Brown trade for Artest, with a key young player like Farmar thrown in, which would have bummed me out. Instead we get a legit big man and only have to give up a stiff and a rook…nice!
Odom never has to score now…he should be happy setting up the O and rebounding. Man, we should out rebound everyone once Bynum returns.
WOW! I can’t wait till Sunday…ABC-Lakers/Wiz.
Sorry Mista and Dogg, the West is back in the hands of the Lakers.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I dont know why but I just dont like basketball…not since Jordan. Even then I didnt really watch…..maybe thats why I dont like it.
Warriors fan though.lol.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm
It’s going to be a “who’s going to dunk off of the missed shot?” contest. And you know Kobe’s gonna want some of that too.
This might be better than when Malone and Rice were healthy. Dude, if Al pulls something off in the next few weeks it’s gonna be a great Feb!
Krowlz,
Sorry man. The Warriors are a training ground for future stars. I mean, they bring them in, make sure their legit then trade them away. It’s like a Nor-Cal thing I guess.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Sounds like the A’s and our head coaches! Great I love em then! Its the Oakland way.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
…wish I knew how to type out the whistling part from the spaghetti westerns…
February 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Dakota,
We’re on the same wavelength, brother. I too said that Jerry probably had something to do with it. If it was all Mitch then good for him. This would be his second great move. First is keeping bynum of course.
Sorry about the LAker talk guys. Just have the same passion for the Purple and Gold as do Ido for the Silver and Black.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
…as I do for the Silver and Black
February 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Dakota, Finally saw the Berman vid. And Mitch really came through. He is off my s-list. It’s on. And Kobe just went for 46. And yes, I’m a Lakers fan. I was trying to keep it to football but this is too big.
I was just watching NFL Total Access, and it was the blondie hosting with Madame Schefter and Rod and Solomon Wilcots, and anyway, she kept calling Eli Manning “Easy E.”
1. Since when is that his nickname?
and
2. What does that imply? He’s going to get in a beef with his best teammate (Plaxico = Ice Cube) and then die of AIDS while coaching the Browns (weren’t BONE from Cleveland?)?
February 1st, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Damn, a Laker and Raider blog!
and that Berman video had us cracking up at work today!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Dude, I am 31 and that trade almost got me to go out and buy NBA Live 2008 just to run the Lakers through a few seasons in dynasty mode…Wal-mart is open 24-7 right? See you later guys, I am going to Wally-world!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Go GIANTS!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Some charger fan posted a link to their fourm…Like the official fourm of the chargers…then i went to the main site…i gotta say it is waaaaay better than raiders.com. they have like actual news instead of parks n crap like that. I wish our team site kept us as informed…plus the layout is way nicer. did anyone else see that site?
February 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Oh to live in Dakota. Have fun man!
Enjoy the SuperBowl! Go Giants indeed.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I hope the SB is as good as their last meeting together. That was a great game.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Most are better than ours Krowlz. Except ours has Silver and Black and dude, I’ve never been much of a Mylissa Milano fan, but my eyes always stray to the right when I got to the home page!
Uh-huh, chicks are cool!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
So I come home from work tonight and find that my dog has shredded my Raider blanket!! Edges eatin, 4inch holes all over it.
I’m thinking maybe it’s like a “Jules” moment. Like maybe it’s time for a change. To get rid of all of the losing and bad charma and such.
But I’m also thinking about killing the dog. But I’ve got 2 little ones and it could put a BIG downer on the whole SuperBowl weekend.
But I’m still thinking about killing my dog Ringo, but I’m trying real hard to be the shephard!
February 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Saint,
If you give that store $25 for a new blanket, I’ll shoot him on principle.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm
That dog’s gonna be a long effing way from OK John!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Al’s gonna send some hard crack pipe hitting mothers to come down here with some pliers and a blow torch and go to work on that dog!
Like I said, time for a change!!!
February 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Actually Huff 24 wins. Of all the hundreds of posts he wins. I agree. Who are these so called Chargers, and what have THEY EVER DONE???
February 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pm
The Lofton story:
Good job. You should always back what you have written as it should be demonstrably the truth. Too bad so many reporters have taken to wildy spreading what ever hits the breeze.
Keep up the good work…
February 1st, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Hold on Saint, hold on here. The dog is onto something here. We need a new Raider image here. Ringo’s right. We’ve milked the past for all it’s worth. The dog is right. We gotta tear up the past, and look toward the future. I like this. I think Ringo IS onto to something here. The GREATNESS OF THE RAIDUH’S IS IN IT’S FUTUAH!!!! Ringos’s right dude. OK, let’s tear up all the bad energy that we’ve had over the last few years and start new right now. I like it. Huff still wins tho.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Jerry, don’t respond to these lunatics in here directly. It’s bad enough they’ve hijacked the place and have even made their own rules, as if it’s a message board and THEY are the mods.
I can’t stand FoxNews, but there’s one slogan of there’s I like; “We report, you decide”, even if they are full of it and in fact only exist to begin with for a political agenda.
Jerry, do your thing, boss. This Raider fan not only believes your Lofton story, but I’m also fully signed on to the story of Al’s resignation later. It fits Al to a “t”. Al handles employees looking for other jobs on his dime like a 16 year old boy handles his girlfriend smiling at another guy, except maybe not as maturely.
Al has learned nothing from ChuckyGate. Kiff wants a new DC, after Ryan’s 4th straight season of nada. Al says no. Not only do I believe Kiffin’s loading up his life boat, but I also don’t blame him.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm
What ever happend to Jerry’s weekly Q&A? Is that only durring the season?
February 1st, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Actually, Jerry’s Q and A is one thing of his I’m not a fan of. Or, is that the reason you brought that up? LOL, if so. You got me.
For some reason, Jerry just plays softball with the Q and A. When someone asked about Al’s control, Jerry replied something to the effect that Al’s no different than the other owners. Yikes! That’s now our Jerry! I was wondering if Artie Gigantino was posting under Jerry’s name while Jerry was tied in a basement.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Oh, that what now.
I was just watching HBO, inside the NFL. The showed this thing about Tom Brady being on the “Mt. Rushmore of Boston Sports.” And some Boston jaggoff sportswriter with crooked teeth actually said Brady’s legend started with the Tuck Rule, got the ball rolling, etc, and how magical and awesome a moment that was.
I hope the Giants win tomorrow. Not only that, I hope they win because Mike Carey makes a bad call that goes against the Patriots at the end of the game on a play that should have sealed it for them.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Madden, that’s a good line about the 16 year-old boy.
February 1st, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Good news on the new S/C coach. Like I said before I’d sacrifice a shade od speed for for run-stopping strength on D.
BTW, is it just me, or did KoolKell & FIRE KIFFIN both completely disappear from this blog??
Way to go Jerry & Moderator!!
We were right…same IP: same person!!
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
Madden,
I don’t think Big Al necessarily said “No” to Kiffin’s request to fire Kiffin. I think Al said, “Lane, why don’t we give Rob one more year? I’ll stock your D with FAs & rookies. We’ll get a run-stuffing DT, LB, & SS. If you still feel the same way after next year, then I’ll consider letting you ick the next DC. One more thing, could you tell Stu and Tyler to get me a clean Depends?”
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 am
Jerry there’s one thing ou can be sure of, You stories or blogs which ever you chose to call them. Are what i think you really believe I’m not saying that you’re coming in here and lying to us. I’m saying you work carries an obvious bias, that taints yur comments.
I’ve been reading most of what you do and I know you have good contacts. But you see things your way and I also know why you feel the way you do about Mr. Davis. But You never bring out all the positive things that YOU KNOW he does it’s just always negative. There is never any balance nor objectivity.
Take for instance Glenn Dickey and Dave Newhouse they have fostered this antagonistic adversarial relationship more than any of you writers. And it shows in ythe work they do.
Mr. Davis is not going to change we all know that, I don’t agree with many things that he does, but I’m keenly aware of all the things he does right. Which is totally dismissed in here especially by YOU.
So my comments that challenge a lot of what you write is based on things that I know is either incorrect or questionable based on evidence that I’ve observed.
I’m just trying to give a more balanced viewpoint, it’s not personal. Because I do think your a talented writer it’s just that a lot of your frustrations come out in your articles and blogs much like a lot of the local media. Eventhough some of it may be understandable.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 am
Als eventhough that may not have been a retraction. The original story was somwhat ambiquous. You say that Kiffin interviewed Lofton but had no idea that he was going to be hired.
Well based on what I hear Kiffin was very sold on Lofton and wanted him aboard the rest was handled by the parties that negotiate the contracts and I think Mr. Davis was part of that. But only after Kiffin’s approval. That’s the way I heard. But your paper said he was in the dark. How could that possibly be when conducted the interview? That’s just dirty pool, anyone that conducts an interview and gives a glowing report and says he was in the dark, has to be either lying or crazy.
So you can stand by every word if you want but it belies any objectivity.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:01 am
RR I’m not even sure that Kiffin wanted Ryan fired, I’m probably wrong but they could’ve just had phylsophical differences and it got out of hand. That stuff happens all the time in every organization. You jus work them out or maybe Ryan told Kiffin where to go. Rob-O is very much like his father, very headstrong and no one is going to change him unless he sees a need to change. That’s how I see it.
Kiffin just wanted him on the same page and I think that they have achieved that as best they can. So we’ll see what happens.
But the media takes everything to eenth degree so they have something to write about. Maybe they’re right on that but I doubt it . Like I said we’ll see.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 am
# Raider Raul #53 Says:
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
“Madden,
I don’t think Big Al necessarily said “No” to Kiffin’s request to fire Kiffin.”
………
I believe he did. And as the Al Davis defense league (ADDL) always says, “we will never truly know”.
……….
“I think Al said, “Lane, why don’t we give Rob one more year? I’ll stock your D with FAs & rookies. We’ll get a run-stuffing DT, LB, & SS. If you still feel the same way after next year, then I’ll consider letting you ick the next DC. One more thing, could you tell Stu and Tyler to get me a clean Depends?””
……..
It is my belief that if Davis said that to Kiffin, Kiffin would reply with:
“Mr. Davis, with all due respect, this is the NFL, which, to quote Jerry Glanville, means, ‘not for long’. Rob Ryan has had 4 years. Our scheme relies too much on one on one pressure, which doesn’t cut it when the NFL defense is in an age of deception. Simply put, Mr. Davis, our defensive scheme pretty much gives opposing offensive staffs and personnel a week off in the film room. I don’t like that, Mr. Davis. I want them to spend their entire week figuring out just what it is we’re going to do on defense, who’s going to blitz when, which zone we’re going to use, if we’ll use zone or man, because the less they know, the bigger our advantage is, Mr. Davis. You know how you close your training camps to the public, Mr. Davis? It’s to keep the opponents confused, right? Well, I’m just trying to do the same thing on a weekly basis, Mr. Davis. And it’s been determined that I just can not do that with Rob Ryan as my defensive coordinator. So, Al, I’d like a new defensive coordinator, or I’m fixin’ to go all Gruden on you.”
February 2nd, 2008 at 4:03 am
I would just like to say I have enjoyed this column and have followed it daily. Its nice to hear about what’s going for the perspective this column has.
Keep up the great work and I hope it continues.
ColumbsOhioRaiderFan
February 2nd, 2008 at 4:16 am
Some dysfunctional families succeed in their own weird dysfunctional way.
Raiders have always been a strange NFL refuge.
That’s why they hate us.
We have our own way.
Things will work out.
Raider dominance will return.
A wise man once said,
“Poop in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.”
February 2nd, 2008 at 5:25 am
poop?
February 2nd, 2008 at 6:15 am
Madden,
Very nice #357. If Kiffin didn’t actually say that, well, then I wish he did!!
Lane sure as hell didn’t give Rob a ringing endorsement, even though he says he’s “excited”.
February 2nd, 2008 at 7:08 am
I as much as anyone would like to see the Raiders to have improved more since the 2002 AFC Championship year.
What Al did that year was similar to many other years in that he “sold out” to win now. The difference with that 2002 team is that it was extemely old with more starters than EVER before. (Rice,Romanowski,T Brown,Kennedy,R.Woodson,Gannon,Wheatley etc.) The rebuilding is much more complete than most think. The Raiders need a solid Dline draft and the results will be very positive.
Winning will put most of the recent foolishness to rest.
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 am
Al Davis is an unstable decision maker. Wants loyalty to him only, none to the Coaches. It’s my way or the highway. It will be interesting what plays out with Coach K. in regards to his contract or will Davis do to Coach K. what he did to Coach S. which was pull the plug and not live up to contract terms……..Anyway you look at it from what we saw of Chuckie’ going out the door, the same will happen to Coach K. if he becomes a winner……..Lets hope by then Davis will have a heart attack and die just to keep a wining Coach around to keep those W’s coming…….
Or Just Sell [or die] Baby and so it is !!
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 am
Just sell…. SAY SOMETHING NEW ALREADY. YOUR BORING. Go to your charger site and converse with yourself.
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 am
What do you guys think about the Chargers and Saints goin to London next year? I was hoping the Raiders would go, I bet theres alot of fans out there.
February 2nd, 2008 at 8:49 am
Who here think the fix is in G-Men vs Pats? I’ll be honest, the more highlights I see of Moss the more I’m thinkin’ they are not going to give the G-Men a fair chance.
Most highlights of Moss, when covered in the endzone, shows him blatantly pushing off. Making room like a bulldozer. Its flat out disgusting. How many times did he get called for the same sht when in Oakland?
And the League destroying evidence? WTF is up with that? “Somethin’ fishy goin’ on here.” Plus I read somewhere that a former Pats employee has more damning evidence that would embarrass both the League and the Pats, but he has never been contacted by the League in their investigation? I’m startin to think the fix is in. Everything is being pushed under the rug.
Damn I just hope the 2nd Manning sends Brady home AGAIN although he faces a much tougher task. He faces a Raideresk task - i.e. THE RAIDERS vs the weekly opponent, the refs, and the league. I hope he’s up to it.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 am
I hope that Arlen Specter pushes whatever he can, interviews whomever necessary and exposes the fraud of the Tuck Boys. The golf pro in Kaanapali will talk if given immunity.
The one and only time that I visited the US Congress (in ‘89) I went to sit in the gallery to watch the process. I was surprised at how small the room was. Anyway, Arlen Specter was at the podium explaining why there was a need to increase minimum wage by a few dimes. there were all of five other congressmen in attendance of which none seemed to be paying any attention to what Specter was saying. Interesting to see that of the 435 members of the house of representatives that a mere handful bothered showing up when the topic involved the have-nots of society.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
The pats are the NFLs golden child. They can do no wrong.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 am
Yeah Terp…
I don´t think it´s fixed, I think it´s more like the league decided that they wouln´t stand in their way, I think that during the regular season they may have said: this undefeated thing is going great, let´s make sure it´s not us blowing it, hence, they gave them every questionable decision. But during the playoffs I just think the Pats beat Jax and SD fair, they are just better.
Just go back to the pre-season Vick and Pacman were giving the league a very bad image, now who mentions them anymore? it´s all forgotten by the undefeated season.
Also, MLB with their drug problems, the NBA with the gambling Ref scandal, Vick and Pacman making the NFL seem like a bunch of thugs…Pro sports were taking a beating in so many ways and here come the Patriots stealing the spotlight and giving sports and the media an icon to focus on, it all worked out great.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 am
I often wonder how different it would have been if it were the Raiders instead of the Patriots that got caught for cheating. Imagine how different the whole scenario would play out.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
My hope is that the referees are uninvolved out of fairness in any contest. But, as Raider fans, we’ve all seen how that pans out.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
TO>>>>>>Krowfizz
I would love to say something >>>>>>>> NEW !! But when you have a owner that never changes !! What else is there to say…………..O’ the Bolts are going to Europe, this is all excellent marketing “BABY”. Would you pay to see a looser = a looser of a team……….?? Not !! not many ticket’s will sell !!
And so it is,,,,,,,,,,,, Just sell the baby !!
DID THAT HELP !!
8-
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 am
Hmmm…maybe that is a fixed as you can get away with after all.
I said before, I dont blame Belichick for finding ways to take advantage of the rules, I blame the cover up and the free pass they got from the league and mostrly the media.
Are you telling me a national media outlet, wouldn´t have found that Walsh guy or someone else involved if they decided to do their own investigation??.
Just look at Fainaru-Wada or whatever his name and his Barry Bonds investigation, it took them years and inumerable interviews and whatnot, thats how far reporters can go when they want to.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 am
Krowlz Im glad the Raiders aren’t going to London its a road game x2 man. They are better off home, besides Kiffin and RR on that long flight together who knows what kinda stories the media could make up.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 am
Some years back the Raiders were at Indy. Peyton was ripping through the Silver and Black. At halftime Biekert said he’d figured out Manning’s audibles. Raiders come from behind and win.
Callahan hangs Gannon out to be slaughtered by not changing the audible calls. Tampa knows everything that is coming.
You tell me if a QB and O-line is not advantaged by knowing every defensive alignment beforehand.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 am
Why aren’t my post posting?
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 am
M
I remember that game, I lived in D.C. at the time, went to a sports bar, it was just me and a Raider girl fan I always ran into there, shaking our heads in the first half, while a few Indy fans rejoiced…oh how sweet it was, when we turned the tables on them, one of the best regular season wins I remember.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
The website blows sometimes. There was absolutely nothing derogatory in what I wanted to post - no bad words at all but it never made it through.
The bottom line was I think there are teams out there that evoke more passion out of diehard NFL fans than the Patriots. I rarely - VERY RARELY - come across Patriot fans. Not many people hate them, but not many love them either.
These teams evoke more passion from real NFL fans: (in no particular order)
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 am
This site really blows sometimes. I just don’t get it. I can’t list the teams? How perposterous!
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 am
Mista- It would have counted as an away game for us.
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 am
Goodell knows that along with antitrust exemptions that they enjoy at the whim of the federal government you can count on them sticking their nose in your business….especially if there is the slightest hint in sports of condoned cheating or gambling that could change the game to something other than a true sports contest that does not have a pre determined outcome…Goodell knows better and ignored requests for information by the government and evidence was destroyed.If Goodell was being as transparent as humanly possible this would not be happening and it is as you said Bob Marley this will end up being all about the cover up….If pressure continues from the government look for Goodell to go down as the owners will turn on him like a pack of dogs ….maybe he will end up with Michael Vick
February 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 am
Terrapin, if it makes you feel any better, I despise the Pats. Hell, I despised them when Babe Parelli, Jim Nance and Gino Capelletti were wearing their minuteman helmets. Tuck day only made it even more so.
February 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
Wake up! The Raider’s management is making more money than any team in the NFL selling Raider “gear” to criminals and members of street gangs (security threat groups), so much that they don’t need to “just win baby” no more. They just don’t care at this point in time. If we somehow start to win again, it will be in spite of ourselves and probably due to J-Russ. PS: I really cannot stand the Patriots either, never could.
February 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Up-date the Patriots will win and naught commit any mistakes. Why you ask, they have the Red, White and Blue plus a Eagle look to their logo all over their uniforms = U.S.A. All the flags will be throwen at the Giants = anyone that goes up against the Red White and Blue = Iran, Jordan, Syria, Russia, Venezuela, China the list axis of evil goes on and on will loose !!
I can just see it now, referee throws the yellow at the USA team = Phone call from the Taxman, saying we will audit you if you don’t pic-up flag = flag is pic-up, no fowl on Team USA…………….
K, I said something different !! O’ by the way, Long Senior was asked about Long Junior not wanting becoming a Faider. Senior said “No Comment”. The way crazy treated Senior, no wonder Junior will not play here……………
And thats the way it is,,,,,,,,,,,
February 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 am
boy, all the cheating they have done is coming back to bite em in the butt. i cant wait to see it unfold.
February 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 am
As a Raider fan I have no problem with CHEATING, because if you don’t cheat you don’t try hard enough, in fact my respect for the patsies has grown for everytime some new thing has come up. I just have one problem and thats with the patsies, not that they are cheating, but that they still exist!
Goooooo Giiiiiaannntts!!!
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
Great article written by Larry Krueger on Al. He tells it like it is.
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Krowlz, I guess you fail to see the difference between flying to London vs flying to San Diego or Denver for an away game.
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Milicia
I have no problem either as long as we abide to the: do the crime, do the time policy, but in this case, they didn´t let us judge wehter the time fits the crime.
As expected, following cnnsi´s Peter King ”furious” message to Senator Specter´s ”attack” of the League, we now have espn´s Len Pasquarelli telling us how silly Specter is looking and how this should just go away because the Pats have ”accepted their penalty”, on top of it, he throws a jab at Mangini on how the Pats kicked their butt during the spygate game.
Well Lenny, we put billions of dollars into the league´s pockets every season and we have the right to demmand transparency, here´s a suggestion for you guys:
Instead of trying to lecture us on what we should think about it, why dont you put out one of those polls you love so much and ask this:
Would you support further investigation on why the NFL destroyed the Pats ”Spygate” evidence?….yes or no.
See how that goes.
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Bob Marley…
couldn’t agree more. Here in the Army, we had a saying ‘its not cheating if you not get caught’ - But if you get caught you got Hell to answer…
So should Patsies, no doubt about that. But a year ago, NE to me was this perfect pink world with unicorns and stuff, the fact that they cheated, made me respect them so much more, and that they have done it for so long without being caught, is just great. Had it been the raiders we would have the largest grin in the league.
But a single 1st round pick is nothing. If that was the prize i would do it every year… all their picks should be withdrawn
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:36 am
Ooops…
Turns out espn does have a:
Should Congress get involved with Spygate?… poll
So far, 113 thousand people have voted and 74% says No, 34% says yes.
I guess people have just taking a liking on being bs’ed by now.
I rest my humble case now as the people have apparently spoken.
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 am
Why is it people are so afraid of the government? Of course this Spector should make an investigation. 74% would rather be screwed than let government do what they are elected to… weird..
Now jh is going to bash me, i’m sure of it, but this is just something i will never understand. but hey jh also said the economy was just great =) LOL
February 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 am
Man if that were the Raiders caught cheating Al Davis would be in leg irons singing “I been working on the railroad”while swinging cancel that holding a pick axe.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Bob Marley…
I must be blind, I cant find that poll….
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
LMN, in this country there have impeachable criminals running the place for many years now. They lie and spy and cheat everyone while wrapping themselves in the flag. The Patsies are very emblematic of what has been going on in the US for quite some time. Some people take umbrage, the rest just bury their heads in the sand.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Milicia
Once on the main paige, click on sportsnation and it´s on the right side…they had it on the main page earlier, but I didn´t see it either now.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
M…
thats just sad. We believe they are to serve and help the people. if not they get shown the door.
As Marley said, all the reporters are in the face of this Specter. they should embrace him, adn said thank you for interesting for our sport and taht you want to make it better and more transparent. IMHO
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Bob Marley…
got it. thanx hope my one vote helps =)
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
LMN…I never said our economy is without problems at the moment….But it is also not as bad as people running for office say it is… but that is the way it is here…Trust me the same people saying the economy is great now… will say it isn’t the day after they lose the White House. I enjoy your posts LMN but once in awhile you take a shot at us and say you don’t mean to bash us…I will say I agree with you many times….Even if I got a little upset with you it doesn’t mean I think you are a moron or a jerk or any of the other name calling that goes on here….I have read enough of your posts to have every reason to think you are a knowledgeable decent person.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
As Marley pointed out a while back, no offensive holding calls at all on the Tucks during two playoff runs. Seems pretty transparent to me.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I wanna say, there are clearly much more important issues for Congress to address.
But let´s be honest here, they wont´t fix any of the major issues that affect people´s lives anyways……
At least use your power to make sure we are not being duped in our pastimes as well. After all, it does get people´s attention off of the lousy job those guys ”perform”.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Allright, not everyone.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
How much money is bet in Vegas and Atlantic City on the SB? I would assume the people that wager those billions might prefer the cheating and/or “fixes” were dealt with (unless the wagerer is betting with foreknowledge). The networks and the boys at BSPIN could care less about such things. They want the revenues brought in by Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Tuck Bundchen.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
First, before answering the Senator from PA, the NFL should ask him to clarify the magic bullet theory he delivered to us as counsel in the Warren Commission Report. He is the last person to lecture on any conspiracy!
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
It takes one to know one buddy.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I love this guy “Just sell”. He must be getting stupider by the second. yeah, the New England Idiots have red, white and blue colors, with silver. But wait, aren’t the New York Giant colors Red, white and blue,and grey as well???? Gosh, that guy is an imbecile. So much for what you think, imbecile. And they edit mine and Terrapins posts.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The senator from PA asks Laraider if there were something he might have done forty years ago that he might not be fully proud of?
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Oakglenn, I have found your comments to be most welcome. Even when you vent there threads of sense in your posts. The psa’s are a definite plus.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Well the media has found another team to quote SOURCES
about and spread rumors.
Maybe there is more to Spygate than meets the eye.
Giants vs. Patriots
News and analysis:
Burress participates in walkthrough
Report: Pats filmed Rams before SB 36
Kriegel: Spygate tapes haunt commish
Marvez: Looking for Patriots’ flaws
Gordon: Giants look like ‘01 Pats
Behrendt: Giants’ lessons learned?
Super Bowl Live
Players and experts talk Super Bowl
On the eve of Super Bowl XLII, a published report out of Boston claims that a Patriots employee filmed a Rams’ practice prior to beating St. Louis in Super Bowl XXXVI.
A source told the Boston Herald that a member of New England’s video department filmed the Rams’ final walkthrough before the 2002 game, which the Patriots later won 20-17 on a last-second field goal by Adam Vinatieri.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
jh…
yeah okay… It reminds me about a simpsons episode…where there is this German back packer, he’s rampling a list whats wrong with the US. Well, my point is that there is so much wrong with the US, but we can’t help us being fascinated and enticed by it, So we’ll all end up visiting you or being a fan or you sports or something. Like the German Backpacker, he is clearly against some of it but he is still visiting =)
German backpacker: Problem with America number 35: No universal healthcare! Problem number 36: No metric system! What is this! The time of Charlemagne? Answer me! Answer me now!
http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/18/strudel-sucking-globenheimer-the-simpson-s-german-hostel/
the sound is very low =)
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I seriously hate you guys!
Except for Raider dell, Raiderdogg and BHP
The rest of you rejects have about a 70 IQ
I’M IN!!
I have always been IN!!
in my past life is was IN!!
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Oh yeah LMN is pretty cool too
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
LMN, the best quote I have ever read regarding this country was written by Walt Whitman in 1871 in his ‘Treatise on Democracy’. Whitman wrote, “Anything you can possibly say about the United States is true.”
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Thanks Silver and Black666, I’ll take it under advisement and eat a bunch of Gingko Biloba in an attempt to up my Intelligence Quotient.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
M…
LOL
well US is this little brother with the cool house and all the girls, Us the old countries is the older big brother with 3 marriages behind us and finally out of debt, and only memories how we were when we were young and was the starting qb for our college team. But we’re wiser and can only see from the sidelines how our little brother is fumbling the ball because he thinks to much of himself =)
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
LMN…Heard it fine but 500 watts of pc speakers will do that.
Silver-n-Black hows the music going ?
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
M…
yeah perhaps i should take some gingko my self =)
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
LMN, when I was a street vendor during wintertime in the streets of Oslo twenty years ago I had ill-suited clothing. One frigid day a Danskman loaned his sealskin coat to me. All he asked in return was that I write down the words for him of Arlo Guthrie’s ‘City of New Orleans’ song.
Okay, enough of that, are there any worthwhile prospects as a Left Tackle out there either as a draftee or FA? Anyone know?
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I would submit to the Senator from PA. that I did not participate in the coverup of the murder of a President forty years ago. I was busy getting an education.
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
first
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Well put, Laraider.
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
thanks for asking jh
Rock and Roll aint noise pollution!!!
I just wish there was more of a live music scene in the Bay Area these days.
February 2nd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Josh freakin’ Barrett. Arizona State. Strong safety. 6-2/225. Hits like a truck. Plays in the Pac-10 so knows pro-style offenses.
Oh, and Max Starks from the Steelers is a tackle. And a free agent. And he has a ring. So he might be ok.
February 2nd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Dear oakglenn !!
K, so I was really not up on the Giants Uniform. You must look at the entire picture and not under a microscope.. The look of the Patriots holding a musket, the colors the logo on their helmets it’s all “USA BABY”……..They will win, they will get their way on the field, they will get their breaks under the hood. They are the troops of a war that will be this Sunday. Just as our troops in Iraq strap on the body armour, the Spirit is with them..After they win in this Sundays Super Bowl, the Patriot of the American Spirit, will stand alone, Undefeated, of all the battles they have entered in too. The Patriot, an American Spirit will prevail. What is on the bottom pile of the pile the Undefeated Patriots so proudly stand upon, …………………the Faiders !!
And so it is…………………..
February 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 am
The Patriots film their opponents.
The Raiders lie to their fans.
Stick to your story. You are right. Al, he of the “balky” quad, lies all the time to the press and Raider fans.
Just Sell, Baby!
February 4th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
“Continue to live in the past Raidernation, and the Charger fans will love you for it. Ever been to a Faider game all you see on the scoreboard are old Raider highlights from the 60’s, 70’s , and 80’s. That is pathetic. I believe you guys are the only team that holds onto the past. And taking it in the rear? Seems to me the Raiders are better at that than any team in the last six years.”
But you come to us…we dont come to you..are we really in your heads that much? any rings from 60s, 70s or 80s?
Thats right.
see you next season.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Lyrics to Mr. Rock & Roll…
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