Falcons draft third
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 am in Oakland Raiders.
In a ballroom at the Westin Hotel at 7:30 a.m., the Atlanta Falcons called tails and won a coin flip, meaning the Raiders will have the fourth pick in the draft.
The Raiders were represented by scout Jon Kingdon.
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February 22nd, 2008 at 7:10 am
No suprise there lol
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 am
that sucks
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:12 am
This looks goood!!!
—”The Raiders are putting together a “very lucrative” multi-year contract for DE Chris Clemons.
Clemons led the team with eight sacks last season, despite the fact that he only started two games.
Feb. 22 - 10:07 a.m. ET”—
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 am
If we good resign both Kelly and Clemons, we could shop Burgess around!
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:18 am
Why would you want to trade Burgess for? I think he’s the Raiders best linemen.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:18 am
Not a bif deal… Considering Oakland & Atlanta really aren’t looking at drafting the same player, it’s probablt a good thing due to the salary they will command.
With their #3 pick, the Falcons select: RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas
With their #4 pick, the Raiders select DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 am
The Falcons just let their top DT go a week ago, so I think it’s foolish to think that they wouldnt consider taking Dorsey with the #3 pick.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Come on Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:31 am
Very seldom does losing a coin toss work in our favor so C. Long is out of reach now and maybe the top three defensive linemen. But we need an LT bad and they do not grow on trees so Ryan Clady or Brandon Allen in the first then Red Bryant in the second.
I also want to see video tape of the coin toss, where are you Walsh when we need you?
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:32 am
The Falcons are not gonna take a DT over McFadden or Matt Ryan from Boston College.
They have NOBODY on offense. They need to draft a player that will fill their stadium (which was half empty last year)…that player will probably be McFadden.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:34 am
Dang, the NFL brought out their two-sided “tails” coin, evidently….
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 am
I can see Atlanta taking McFadden with the third pic but I doubt Dorsey will be there at 4 for us.
A lot depends on Al being able to sign FA or make trades between now and the draft. And what happens at the combines as well.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:47 am
Didnt we lose a coin toss last year too? what happened to 50-50 odds…Its fixed.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:51 am
4th is still a very good pick.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
Lane Kiffin bad play caller?? Soulpatrol2, you have your opinion, and I have mine. Lane Kiffin, for the first time since John Gruden, had the cojones to STICK to the run. I have a question for you. Are you one of the fans that were complaining during the season that Lane Kiffin was calling TOO many runs?
So the head coach shouldnt use his strenghts to try and WIN a game? Tom Cable is a good offensive line coach, and, I believe, Coach Kiffin recognized that and utilized the improvement of the Off. Line. to pound the rock.
Alright now, It comes down to Championships doesnt it?
Soulpatrol2 as I interpet your recent comment, you believe Lane Kiffin doesn’t have what it takes. I do. Lets see who is right…
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 am
Glen Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis would be great, although the last USC DT we picked in the 1st round (Darell Russell R.I.P) didnt work out so well.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 am
DAugusto
yeah, I guess too much was mentioned about a two headed coin so the NFL got cute and pulled a two tail switcheroo.
FYI, the Oakland baseball team has lost at least the last nine coin flips when something of a MLB nature has had to be determined.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 am
Draft Glenn Dorsey…. Period.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:15 am
Dorse
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
Dorsey will not be there for us that’s for sure, it would be nice.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 am
Memo…
yeah he probably one of our best players, but now he is worth something. With, Clemons, Kelly Richardson or perhaps Long we have no need for Burgess.
Burgess = a 1st round, swap 2nd rounds and get a 3rd…
I would do it instantly!
I have no problem with him staying though, I just believe it would make the turnaround quicker
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 am
Is there any chance we’d go after Rod Coleman? Don’t know the salary implications, but we need something to close that swinging fence we call a DL
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:19 am
So, by Florida Pete’s arithmetic the Raiders just saved $5 mil. That is a good thing. Head good, tail good, all good.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 am
VARaider, I read where Chucky was bringing Coleman in for a look.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 am
VARaider…
I hope Gary Coleman has a bigger chance…
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:22 am
—”Impending free agent Bernard Berrian is believed to be in search of a deal paying him $20 million in the first three years.
Because he’ll be the No. 1 WR on the market, it won’t be a surprise if he gets it. Berrian has a chance to become one of the higher paid receivers in the league. Larry Fitzgerald figures to claim the top spot shortly.
Feb. 22 - 11:18 a.m. ET”—
He is not worth that amount, he is fast, but he can’t catch, at least not good enough to get that kind of money!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
Assuming the Falcons draft McFadden/ Ryan & Miami takes Long - I think we still have a good shot at Dorsey. Ellis or Clady is a good plan B.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
I have no problem with Dorsey or Ellis at 4, but is everyone forgetting the other glaring whole on our team? WIDE RECEIVER. We have to have people to catch the ball. Porter and Curry are in reality second option receivers and after that, we have really no one. Jackson, Kelly, Manningham, Sweed, any of those guys for example. Trade our #4 to Dallas for their two picks and then draft Clady and Manningham in the first round and take a DL with our #4 in the second round. Fixes our problems.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 am
ATLRaider, all good scenarios.
LMN, good afternoon, I agree, spending 7 mil. for Berrian makes no sense. For Larry Fitzgerald yes, Bernard no.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:35 am
People keep saying Dorsey won’t be there. I think that depends entirely on how much Dallas wants Darren McFadden. Miami wants out of #1, Dallas wants McFadden, St Louis needs Jake Long and Atlanta needs Matt Ryan. If Dallas doesn’t pull the trigger with Miami (and they take the obvious choice, Dorsey), they can still pull it with the Raiders, but that makes this whole conversation moot, because then the Raiders have more picks, but the first one is 22. If Dallas doesn’t move at all, then the Raiders have to struggle over the choice of McFadden or Chris Long. Neither will hurt the team.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 am
The Raiders are 0-1 & the season hasn’t even started
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:42 am
M…
Good Morning to you my friend! Yup!
BB is fast with slightly bad hands, porter is a bit slow with slightly better hands!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:45 am
What a shock! We lost the flip. From ROTOWORLD:
The Vikings have given Troy Williamson permission to shop himself.
The Vikings are hoping Williamson will agree to a deal with a new team, and they’ll get a late round pick in return.
Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
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The Raiders are putting together a “very lucrative” multi-year contract for DE Chris Clemons.
Clemons led the team with eight sacks last season, despite starting only two games. Hopefully the Raiders aren’t planning to rely on him as a starter because at only 6′3/240, it’s unlikely he’d help their awful run defense.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
What do you guys think about sending a late round pick for Williamson, like a 5 or 6. He has a ton of speed (one of the top 20 40 times @ the combine in the last decade) but does get the dropsies. Maybe Lofton could coach him up.
I think we should lock Clemons up as a pass rush specialist and the heir apparent to Burgess but we can’t break the bank for him.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 am
Dorsey will not be attending the combine b/c of a death in the family. Surely he will make himself available for workouts and physicals on his pro day. There is a chance he could be there at 4.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:49 am
i sure hope we can get a awsome DT in this draft. then a SS and your defense will be way better than last year.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 am
Memo
Old Chinese proverb : $5,000,000 in the hand is worth more than a draft day crapshoot.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
Hmm… no reflip this year like last. I bet if the Falcons lost the toss, we’d be reflipping. But the Falcons are no threat, they will draft a QB, unless they’re comfortable with Harrington and Redman….
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
i wish i could be the boss for a day there in alameda. all you peeps would worship me. hell i would worship me, i’d worship me hard.
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 am
I’m using the glass-half-full approach.
We’re still gonna draft a blue chip player, and he probably won’t hold out for 4 months like JaMarcus did.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 am
As of now…to me,
Miami…C.Long or Dorsey
Stl….C. Long or Dorsey, they get Pace back and have another 1st rounder in Alex Barron, I´d say they go Defense and take their chances Pace holds up for another season.
Atl….Ryan or DMC
Oak…Ellis
Seems to me this is gonna turn out just like in 1998 when everyone knew C. Woodson was gonna end up a Raider with the 4th pick. This year it looks like Ellis is the obvious choice.
Kinda takes the fun out of the whole thing but I won´t complain.
Still 2 months left and Ryan, Gholston and Clady could be the wildcards if they shine enough.
One more thing, if the Raiders believe Clady´s potential matches Ellis´s then just take him, I´d rather secure JR´s blindside with a quality LT than patch up the DL with an quality DT who won´t be a dominant player.
Thin about it, one good DT will not fix our D problems, a quality LT bring so much more value. Plus, you just can´t go out and buy a Walter Jones, Ogden or Pace, you have to draft those guys, decent DT´s you can get elsewehere.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 am
The WR question always is an oddity for me. Yes, a WR has to have separation ability and some quicks, but for me it always comes down to something else. A good wide receiver will catch what is thrown to him, but a great wide receiver will battle for the ball even when his QB has thrown an imperfect pass. JR will be learning and he needs someone to battle and perhaps bail him out from time to time, not just someone who can run faster than the wind.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 am
There should be quality players when the Raiders are on the clock. I just hope Al Davis doesnt select the guy with the fastest 40 time with the 4th pick
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 am
Of course, I´m going way out on a limb there, Clady needs to prove he´s worthy. I said yesterday Willie Roaf was the last smaller school OT to go top 10, maybe this Clady guy can be the next one.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 am
Does anyone know if there will be any quality D-linemen in the FA? Since Suggs, Allen, Haynesworth & Corey Williams have all been franchised. Justin Smith is available but the Raiders don’t need another DE
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 am
43rd! YEAH
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
I´m just not that excited about Ellis, probably just because as fans we like to ”figure out” maneuvers and don´t like to ‘’settle” for safer picks.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
Do any of you guys see a chance of us picking up a 3rd rounder by trading anyone on the roster already? If so who, the only ones I could see is Burgess or Washington and I’m not sure if I want to part w/ either of them yet for a 3rd. What do you guys think?
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
Damn! someone beat me
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 am
Marley, good morning,
I agree with the assessment. If that LT is available to protect Russell’s blind side for the next half dozen years it would be an excellent pick. If however the Raiders don’t see that perfect fit in Clady or otherwise, then DT is the way to go.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 am
Hopefully Al lets Kiffin work his magic in the first two rounds… We really need our top picks to make immediate impacts.
Russell & Zach Miller look like studs from last year’s indication.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 am
Perhaps Kiffin already has his eye on his boy Sam Baker in round 2. I just hope that he goes in with open mind and evaluates along with Cable without regard to alma mater.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
I’ll be happy with
Glen Dorsey
Jake Long
Sedrick Ellis
and of course Chris Long!
We’ll get one of those players.
Whatever we do, dont draft McFadden. He’s fumble prone, plus we could draft a decent running back (if needed) in the later rounds.
I’d say Jake Long or Chris Long at #4
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
Morning M…
Gotta run, catch up later.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Sam Baker played in the zone blocking scheme at SC. I hope he is available in the 2nd RD. He has an injury senior season which could hurt his draft stock.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am
Cho-Be, running backs are supposed to be a dime a dozen this year so why waste 50 mil. on any of ‘em.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Well, going 4th will save a few $m in rookie contracts.
The top of this draft is very unstable. No one knows how Tuna and Miami will draft. The Falcons are moving towards taking a DE despite their QB needs. And there are big questions about the top 5 candidates:
Chris Long: Is he a tweener with limited potential?
Glenn Dorsey: Is he too light and too injury prone?
Matt Ryan: Does he have the field-craft for the NFL?
Jake Long: Does he have the footwork for LT?
Darren McFadden: Does he have the frame to take the hits?
This draft looks very long but there is a noticeable absence of star names. Last year’s draft ran out of talent in the middle of the 2nd round but the top 10 picks were high quality. There is nobody of the class of Russell, Thomas, CJ or Peterson in this years draft.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 am
I think Glenn Dorsey has the greatest potential.
Best Player + Biggest Need = No Brainer Selection
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
M, thats what Im saying. Forget about McFadden. If they chose a running back at all in the draft, we could get a back like Tashard Choice in the later rounds. My point was dont settle for McFadden just b/c he’s a playmaker.
We need to address the holes in our Defensive/Offensive Lines.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
I think Dorsey will go to Atlanta and they will take a run at Flacco or Henne in the 2nd. The Rams will take Jake Long unless Chris Long doesn’t go to Miami. I am not so sure that Parcels will take Chris Long. Miami might actually take Matt Ryan or gamble on Vernon Gholston.
I am sure McFadden will be there at No4. But I am equally sure that he is the wrong pick for us. No4 is a reach for Ellis, Clady or Calais Campbell but they all will fill positions of greater need than RB.
Of course, trading down is an option. But who is going to trade up into this top 4?
I suspect the answer is, nobody.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am
I think we should trade up to #1 and draft Mcfadden.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 am
Just kidding….
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 am
Dakota, you are consistent.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 am
Kiff need to channel the LSU Karma to the silver & black.
We have too much loser Karma still on the team (Schweigert, Sims etc) that needs to be replaced with young & talented play makers, that are used to winning.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 am
Jon Kingdon’s a jinx.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 am
ATLRaider, I agree!
But we should stay at #4 and see who lands in our lap. We will get someone to contribute in week 1.
Jake Long has the footwork (for you doubters)
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 am
It would be a shame to miss out on a talent like Dorsey because of a coin flip. I rally hope the Falcons don’t take him.
There is definitely a gap in talent level between Dorsey & Ellis.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 am
Hopefully either Miami or Atlanta pick QB and RB…if Miami goes with Ryan and Atl goes with McFadden, then we would have a choice between two of the top three d-lineman.
I hope signing Clemens does not preclude us from drafting Chris Long. What if somehow Dorsey and Ellis are gone by the 4th pick and we are left with Chris Long sitting on the board. Do we skip him because we signed CLEMENS, A possible one-year wonder? Or do we pick him and trade Burgess for a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick? If we do that are we any better off than we were before the draft? So many questions!
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 am
How come everyone assumes that if the Raiders pick McFadden, it’s an Al Davis choice? Kiffin very well could be imagining and drooling about the possibilities of having McFadden in the Reggie Bush role from his days at USC.
I don’t always agree with the decisions that Al Davis makes, but because most of you think that drafting McFadden would be a mistake, it is automatically an Al Davis decision?
I would hate to be Al Davis. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. The failures and problems are always attributed to Al. But the successes are always in spite of Al.
Welcome back JohnS
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 am
Well said RaiderDogg.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 am
What is all this Burgess Trade? Are guys idiots? I hope clemons isnt really signed to “a lucrative deal”. He’s worth a 3-year contract at a couple of million. He started TWO games, we dont know if you has the stamina to be a starter.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am
Cho-Be, I didn’t mention trading Burgess today, but I am an idiot.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am
I agree, Keep Burgess. He is one of the few play makers we have on Defense…or for the entire team for that matter. Clemons is OK. Hopefully Al doesn’t throw too much money at him.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am
Cho Be
Another blogger calling Raider fans idiot for suggesting trading Burgess, But you say Jake Long has the footwork, how do you know?
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am
It would be crazy to trade Burgess for godssake!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 am
He started 2 games a almost outshined Burgess season…
thats all i’m saying.
As for the toss, if we won th 3rd, we would have had a real trade bait, if a team would have any of the top5, the 4th pick is just a ‘reaction’ pick.
I dont believe Dorsey, Ellis or Long to go 1,2 and 3rd. I belive McFadden will shake it up or that Ryan will, so at least one of the 3 Linemen will be there when its our turn.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 am
Scotttish Raider
I would like your input on the following:
The raiders (Tom Cable) interviewed the following
Tony Hills OT from Texas and Anthony Collins OT from Kansas.
Are they a system fit of the zone blocking, my information has these guys going in the second round to third round.
Any comments.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 am
Keep in mind that Burgess wasn’t 100% healthy for most of the season. I hope he works his a$$ off this offseason.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 am
Burgess = get a 1st round pick, swap 2nd round picks and get a 3rd round pick…
I would do it in a heartbeat.
long term value to build the foundation for the future Raiders
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Gee…I didn’t see this coming. Oh my gosh…I am just so freakin shocked. Whatever.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 am
I think based on Fargas getting re-signed, Kiffin is trying to retain players that are actually good and make plays. I would be surprised to see him let Burgess go.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Burgess obviously is not happy with his contract and his play suffered for it. The Raiders should throw him a little more money, or trade him for additional picks…
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am
Good morning RaiderDell,
Did you send off a hype write-up of Gholston to BSPN?
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
Dakota
See post #69, you idiot.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
Salient point Dakota.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
The Senior Bowl experience will tell Kiffin/Davis if he should draft Ellis over any of the other main options or not since he’ll almost certainly be available. So right now, the Raiders know more about him than the rest of the league.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am
M
Good Morning
I’m going to wait for his completion of all his tests at the combine.
I’ll wait and hope for a fast 40 time.
Then my letter gets sent off.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Project all you want now, but by the end of the combine it’s all going to be moot. Once they start looking at DMac and breaking down his skills, his one dimensionalism will show that at the NFL level he can’t break tackles or pass protect. He won’t be seen as an every down back. As a change of pace guy his value will dropout of the top 10 if not further.
Guys like Gholston and Clady will move up, and one of the CBs will probably blow people away with his athleticism and move into the top 10 as well. The top QBs could swing far in either direction, with Ryan suddenly the #1 overall or falling ut of the top 10 completely.
Which means that the Cowboy’s supposed love affair with DMac and wanting to sell their whole draft to #1 overall is not going to happen. They’ll be realistically looking at moving up to somewhere between 12 and 20 where he’ll ultimately be valued, and likely only need to use one of their first rounders and Barber or a 2nd to get him.
Which is going to leave the #4 pick very intriguing to say the least. #1-#3 value wise will probably be both Longs and Dorsey when the smoke clears. Ryan’s combine it the wildcard here. But if he does well and is there when the Raiders pick #4 then we could see a trade down situation. Something like dropping to #8 with Baltimore, who could really use their QB of the future starting now. That could net an extra high 2nd and maybe a 4th. Then pick whoever is there amongst Clady, Ellis or Gholston. With the two 2nd’s, pick from the deep pool of DTs or combine them to move up into the latter half of the first if there’s someone that’s a good grab at the time. All that, and it’s a lesser overall cap hit.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am
I blame Kiffin.
Just win Baby.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
I read that Ryan won’t even throw at the combine ’cause he won’t have “his guys” to throw to.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 am
I wonder what he would say if it was game time
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
my thoughts exactly, LMN
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
RaiderDell Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I really wanted to see what Draft had to say about our draft this year, as an old time Raider fan he has seen it all.
Draft Beer Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
1st…Dorsey….Sands sucks
2nd… Red Bryant….Defensive Line needs quality depth
4th…Jordy Nelson…a definate upgrade over Porter
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:33 am
Is Matt Ryan related to Rob Ryan? No wonder I didn’t like him at Boston College.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
I see the same girls here gossiping all day.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 am
I just read about the Cavaliers trade to help Lebron. Sorry to go off of topic but I’m curious to find out what some of you hardcore basketball fans think about it and how you think this will help.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am
Ugggh, what’s that stench?? Oh look, Draft Beer has crawled his way back in here.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am
M Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
“I read that Ryan won’t even throw at the combine ’cause he won’t have “his guys” to throw to.”
Well then good luck in the NFL without “your guys”. A real quarterback will throw it to your grandma if she would run a post route! I can see it now “OK Granny go deep”
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Thanks Dell, it’s nice to be back.
Didn’t Kiffin say that he wanted the running back from Arkansas for christmas or something like that? Would then NOT drafting McFadden be an Al Davis choice?
They’re all Al Davis choices.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 am
Neither JaMarcus nor Brady Quinn threw at the combine last year.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 am
How come nobody ever talks about Felix Jones? He may end up with a better NFL career than the guy he backed up in college!
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 am
The Raiders need a #1 receiver that can develop with Russell. Porter more then likely will be gone. Curry is a good #2. Trade down and get a guy like Malcom Kelley, he has size, decent speed and more importantly catches everything around him.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Porter is probably gone. I think Al has his sights on Berrian.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am
What about Manningham?
Huff, I think the cavs trade was pretty good. It might help them against Boston…but the West is LOADED now. Whoever comes out of there is winning.
I want to see an old fashioned Lakers/Celtics finals.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 am
Dell,
1st Point: Both Tony Hills and Anthony Collins will be on the board at No37. This suggests we are going defense in the first round.
2nd Point: These two are seen as work-in-progress. Hills is a bit raw in terms of technique and Collins is a Junior. Both have the right physical potential and both could be trained in the zone system.
Hills had a serious injury and missed a lot of games. He was once seen as 1st round material but has fallen down the boards. He is very athletic, Texas actually recruited him as a TE. He is forecast to go low 2nd/high 3rd, but he won’t be around at the top of the 4th.
Collins is very unfinished but has a huge upside. He has a tendency to give away penalties (should fitin well at Alameda!) but has real natural strength and mobility. He is unlikely to contribute as a starter in 2008 and might be a reach at No37, but he also will be long gone before the 4th.
3rd Point. By going for OTs with potential, it looks like we will keep Sims for another season and/or bring in an experienced FA.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 am
I’ve read that some analysts rate Ellis higher than Dorsey.
As for the WR hole, I wouldn’t want the Raiders to throw #1 money at any FA receivers. None of which are better than #2 options
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 am
JohnS - Its funny that you say that. The AFC was supposed to be the dominant conference with the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Chargers and so on and the Giants ended up winning. You just never know.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
If you watch Felix Jones on YouTube…he runs just like McFadden. They both avoid contact and all of their runs are on the outside. They are almost Carbon Copies except you can get Jones later on.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
“it looks like we will keep Sims for another season and/or bring in an experienced FA.”
I hope JaMarcus Russell has purchased Life Insurance..because he is going to get destroyed if Sims starts at LT.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Draft
Thanks for the response, I’m wondering why do you like Red Bryant over Trevor Laws from Notre Dame.
Laws has been highly recommended from reliable sources within the Draft expert community.
Draft Beer Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
RaiderDell Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I really wanted to see what Draft had to say about our draft this year, as an old time Raider fan he has seen it all.
Draft Beer Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
1st…Dorsey….Sands sucks
2nd… Red Bryant….Defensive Line needs quality depth
4th…Jordy Nelson…a definate upgrade over Porter
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 am
ATLRaider, the only alternatives to Sims are a FA like Max Starks or Jake Long. Starks and other FA options like Travelle Wharton are going to be expensive and might not want to come to Oakland, Long is a rookie who probably should start at RT.
Sorry, but it is odd-on that Sims will start at LT for the Raiders in September. There are no alternatives in the current roster. Henderson and McQuistan aren’t ready and Gallery is locked into LG.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 am
Trevor Laws is smart, high-engine, high-effort….but he is probably just too small to start in the NFL.
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am
Midwest said, “WIDE RECEIVER. We have to have people to catch the ball. Porter and Curry are in reality second option receivers and after that, we have really no one. Jackson, Kelly, Manningham, Sweed, any of those guys for example. Trade our #4 to Dallas for their two picks and then draft Clady and Manningham in the first round and take a DL with our #4 in the second round. Fixes our problems.”
If we do that, I don’t take Manningham or Sweed, I take a better receiver than those two by selecting Jordy Nelson (Kansas State).
Eric said, “People keep saying Dorsey won’t be there. I think that depends entirely on how much Dallas wants Darren McFadden. Miami wants out of #1, Dallas wants McFadden, St Louis needs Jake Long and Atlanta needs Matt Ryan. If Dallas doesn’t pull the trigger with Miami (and they take the obvious choice, Dorsey), they can still pull it with the Raiders, but that makes this whole conversation moot, because then the Raiders have more picks, but the first one is 22. If Dallas doesn’t move at all, then the Raiders have to struggle over the choice of McFadden or Chris Long. Neither will hurt the team.”
I don’t think Miami wants out of #1 as bad as you seem to think. Especially with all the recent cuts they are making on both sides of the ball, and will continue to make. I’m thinking they will re-sign Cleo Lemon at QB, with John Beck giving competition. Ronnie Brown at RB. So offensively they are okay. They need help at WR and O-line (very similar with Oakland in their needs).
Defensively, they have let Thomas go, and are thinking about cutting Jason Taylor as well. If they do that, you can guarantee they stay at #1 and draft Chris Long. They have Vonnie Holiday and Rodrique Wright at DT, so I think they are good there. If they cut Taylor, and draft Chris Long, they will then have Quentin Moses, and Chris Long at DE. They would also need help at LB. The thing to consider are their options in the FA market. They have the cap room to make serious runs for Lance Briggs and/or Teddy Bruschi. They can also go after Faneca and/or Flozell Adams for help on the O-line.
St Louis will probably go with Jake Long. Orlando Pace is good, but he is aging, and their O-line is becoming a HUGE need.
Atlanta will pick McFadden. I don’t think they need Ryan that bad. Again they have money to throw at proven veterans like with Trent Green available after being cut by Miami. They can also make a run for Quinn Gray, make a run for Derek Anderson (who knows that Brady Quinn will probably take his job this season), or draft a QB in later rounds (say like Ryan Carpenter). If McFadden is still on the board, they don’t pick a questionable QB like Ryan for the amount of money they would have to pay him.
So the question becomes, who do the Cowboys need badly, that they would be willing to trade up to #4? Sedric Ellis, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston? Highly doubtful. The only one on the list I can see the Cowboys moving after is Gholston, and they can pick him up at a lower spot. They need a safety too, and they can pick one at a lower spot as well.
So I say we use our #4 pick to select Ellis, Dorsey, or a WR at that slot. If we select a WR, I’d seriously consider Jordy Nelson.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Scottish Raider
I knew you would give me the skinny on the two of them.
I have been reading about those two this morning and my interest is what Cable really looks for in and O-lineman.
Based on what you said and I read it doesn’t seem to be a reach that we will look for an athletic lineman.
Scottish your comment:
Hills had a serious injury and missed a lot of games. He was once seen as 1st round material but has fallen down the boards. He is very athletic, Texas actually recruited him as a TE. He is forecast to go low 2nd/high 3rd, but he won’t be around at the top of the 4th.
Scottish, we heard Cable likes athletic lineman and Cable has said Gallery fits his scheme, able to move and stay low and cut.
I believe Hill is more of a RT than RG as I originally thought. He is use to the end like a TE.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
What are the chances of Rob Ryan implementing a 3-4 defense? It’s what he prefers. The main thing that stopped him before was Sapp not fitting the system. If so you could have G.Warren, T.Sands, J.Richardson on the D-line. With S.Williams, T.Howard, K.Morrison and C.Clemons as the LB’s. Wich would leave out Burgess, who really doesn’t fit the 3-4 type and saves us the money to sighn Nnamdi to a long term deal. Just a thought.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
We have a problem. The guys we need a major 2 gap stud at DT or a premium nose guard are not available. So we’re pretty much screwed in both the 3-4 and 4-3 lineups.
Another issue is that there is no sure thing Left OT to plug that hole. Even though we have a great draft position it doesn’t look like there is immediate help with a “sure thing” player.
AND we’re too high up to go after a WR that we desparately need.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 am
Huff24…
welcome back, long time no speak!
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
text or whatever
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 am
Scottish…
I dont think Laws hight will be a problem! his arms are long and he can jump too! I believe he is the real deal…
well i’m Trevor Laws ‘Dakota’ and ‘RaiderDogg’ i’ve been a Laws fan from the get-go =)
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am
ATLRaider Says:
Keep in mind that Burgess wasn’t 100% healthy for most of the season.
TW: The year before he lead the league in sacks. Why worry about DE all next year?
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 am
Trevor Laws will be a successful DLineman in the NFL. His height will not be a problem. Plus he’s versatile and can basically play DT or DE, he has experience at both.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
Well, I had 3 guys on my draft board for the 1st round. So picking 4th is only good if one of them is still there, IMO. Those three are Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, and Sedrick Ellis. I do not want to spend $60M on a running back. I don’t know why I’m not more excited about Jake Long or Ryan Clady, I guess I’m nervous after the Robert Gallery fiasco. (Then again, I guess we can’t be too excited about our history of drafting USC DTs either!)
The plus side of losing the coin toss is we pay less for our draft pick. Plus I value my top 3 pretty equally. Ideal scenario to me is the Falcons take McFadden or Ryan and we get one of my top 3.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
5 Years after the Super Bowl debacle, Barry Sims remains a thorn in our sides.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
The Raiders need a young stud WR for Russell, wich they will not find on the FA market. The Raiders can fill a void in the D-line through FA like they done in the past with veterans like R.Maryland, J.Perrella and W.Sapp. They can get a FA like Brian Young from the Saints.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 am
How about signing a guy like LT Fonzell Adams who has or is supposed to be released by the Cowboy’s.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
Ghost, he was released by the Cowboys, but he may not fit in our cut-blocking scheme.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
I’m hoping for Pat Sims in the second round as I think he’ll be a beast in his second year.
One thing to remember though is the last time a rookie DT did really well his first year who was drafted top 5 was Cortez Kennedy in 1990. Their have been 5 DT’s drafted top 5 since: Dewayne Robertson #4 ‘03, Gerard Warren #3 ‘01, Big Daddy Wilkinson #1 ‘94, Sean Gilbert #3 ‘92, Russell Maryland #1 ‘91.
Kind of scary looking at those picks and to think everyone thought each of them would be future HOF on draft day.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 am
If we draft an O-lineman, Clady may be our best bet, assuming we can hang on to our coaching staff for a while and implement a consistent program.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 am
Raider Dell…I think Bryant is more effective than Laws at stuffing the run.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 am
I believe I read somewhere that the loser of today’s coin flip would get the 3rd pick in the 2nd round. With NE losing its 1st round selection, we should be able to land a solid player witht the 34th pick. Hopefully, McQuistan is ready at RT so we can draft a DT/LT/WR with out first two selections, filling the other through a FA signing. If we land Dorsey or C Long, then I’m a happy Raider fan.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
I read that Bernard Berrian has a daughter over in Fresno and said he would love to be closer to her so he doesnt have to travel so far to see her. He also said though that he wanted to determine the contenders from the pretenders. For all the Al haters out there I got this to say anyone who talks to Al is impressed. If Berrian comes to Oakland and talks with Al I see him signing with us. As far as the draft I really do hope they let Kiffin and Cable have the most input on who gets drafted this year. Kiff is still only a few years removed from college and knows the talent coming out well still
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
The only way we would sign Berrian is he isn’t hoping for top $$$.
Besides, there should be a few very good WR’s available in the 2nd.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Draft
Good point.
One stat that occured last year, which is telling considering we couldn’t stop the run was on first down opposing teams ratio to pass or run was 59%.
My stat information from the NFL stats history index.
Second down was 49% pass vs run.
I believe we need a combination of a DT two gap guy who can also rush the passer, or have two guys similar to Sands who can’t move upfield very well, this DT must get a middle push to avoid relying on our ends for pressure.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
RaiderDell, I agree. We can also go with an all-out pass rush like the Giants did last season. Id rather just stop the run!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
burgess’ injury was due to wanting to renegotiate his contract which did not happen; which made kiffin comment that he was surprised about the “lack of professionalism” with some key veteran players. lamont jordan and dominic rhodes were other players he was referring to as well.
so if he doesn’t get to renegotiate his contract this offseason, i expect he will be “ineffective” again this next season. so i’m not counting on him being in the mix of things, and we may even cut, and or trade him before the season starts.
turd sands is a bust at dt, kelly has been more effective. if we stick with a 4-3, we are going to need another guy at dt. if we were able to sign haynesworth, then i’d think we’d be pushing for a 3-4 defense. we really lack a good linebacker and a defensive tackle to switch to a 3-4; so i don’t think that is a plausible move; though we could move that way in the future.
4-3 lineup, richardson and clemons at de, kelly/warren at dt, and we draft sedric ellis at #4.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Cho-Be
Why do you like Jake Long, you said his footwork is not a problem.
My son plays OL in High School, his coach played at Notre Dame blocked for Bettis, he has doubts about his overall footwork.
I never played OL, the coach said footwork is crucial to leverage and applying your hands on the opposing player as the coach explained to me.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
This is an interesting draft in that there is NO consensus #1, like Jamarcus was last year among knowlegable scouts.
I’ve seen Dorsey possibly fall to #4 overall, and Chris Long, Jake Long, Darren Mcfadden, and Matt Ryan ALL going #1 along with Dorsey. Shows you what a crap shoot this whole thing is.
Atlanta is NOT gonna take Mcfadden. After the debacle with Vick, Arthur Blank is NOT going to take a guy with clear character issues, pay him $65mm, and watch him sit suspended on the sidelines or rot in jail for some stupid sh**. They have Harrington and Chris Redman. If Parcells doesn’t take Matt Ryan and Glenn Dorsey is on the board, they’ll take either one.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Draft Dorsey & Sign Berrian..along with help at safety, middle linebacker and left tackle. It’s all pretty simple.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
From what Ive seen in games. It look pretty good. When defenders were able to get of the line quickly his body and strenght became a problem for them along with his footwork. Durning running plays, he’s fast and can also block down field.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Cho-Be
Thanks for the response, to many others in the draft business have questioned not so much his run blocking, his pass blocking skill is questionable and he seems to play high to often.
I don’t want to beat this issue but I know the LT has to be your best lineman in the NFL and have no questions re any skill level.
Most LT that are the best today get paid almost as much as a WR, RB.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
ATLRaider, sounds simple but it probably isnt. Berrian is worth considering but not the salary he is gonna demand
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Berrian - would be a good fit with JR. He isn’t that big rangy receiver like a Moss or TO. I would look at him more like a Hines Ward a gamer. He had 71 completions from a team that had a more pathetic QB situation than us last year.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I know. and thats an issue that the raiders must address because sims isnt gonna cut it for us.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
There’s always Flozell “Hotel” Adams
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
There has got to be somebody on the roster or in free agency that can play better than Sims at LT.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Flozell Hotel!
We need a number 1 reciever aswell and a number 2.
Sounds easy, but damn we’re in mess!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Laker fans -
Just heard on Sirius radio that Kobe Bryant has been told by the team doctor that he HAS TO HAVE surgery on his pinky to avoid permanent damage. He is expected to miss 6 - 8 weeks.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Dante Stallworth is now available. Patriots didn’t pick up his option.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
If true Dogg, rum sales are about to go up in SW S. Dakota
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Do Not Get Berrian! Willie Gault II Get Glen Dorsey = No Question About It! If you want a running back so bad get Jonathan Stewart! Overspend for the right WR. Don’t go after DMAC, Berrian or any of these other HACKS! Dorsey was our pick from the first LSwho game of this last year and continues to be the right pick - call these teams - deal however you need but get Dorsey! If you don’t get Dorsey then trade down a few and overspend for the can’t miss receiver we need so bad. Porter isn’t the answer and at least Curry tries. Too bad Moss didn’t work out but he was really expensive - whatever happened to Chad Johnson or Roy Williams? If I was convinced on a Left Tackle I’d say get him, I’m just not convinced on any of them and why would Atlanta go after a QB when just about the rest of their team is worse than their QB’s? Fun to blame the QB but it really isn’t their problem! We can’t win all damn year and we even lose coin flips!!!
Just Win Baby!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
No way do we go after Berrian willie Gault II !!!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
YES! for the Lakers. Now Golden State can sneak some ground without Biedrins and Jackson. We’re also in a mess
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Sorry guys, that last post about Kobe was BS. You all can blame Dakota for that one. I was just getting him back for the other day.
Now we are even Dakota!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Darren at the combines being interviewed, just said he was a big broncos fan growing.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Dogg is that a true story in LA or are you yanking Dakotas wang ?
• DE-DT Tyler Brayton has played 41 consecutive games without a sack as a starter and reserve, outside and inside, but the coaches love his energy and motor.
No wonder why we have no pass rush, how do you love a guy that can go 41 games without a sack and let a 3rd round pick walk and keep a player like Brayton?
Rob Ryan is how!
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Ok Dogg,
Dakotas not here so all you did was yank mine.
Here we go WARRIORS here we go
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Pirate,
Stallworth = Doug Gabriel with bad hammies.
Id rather give JLH a shot.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
The defensive line needs to be the number one concern for FA and the draft. The Raiders gave up 24 rushing TDs last year. The next highest was Detroit w/ 19. (Source: NFL.com) The Raiders gave up only 17 receiving TDs (which is 4th) but the 24 sticks out like a sore thumb when you look at the other teams that gave up few receiving TDs.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I could care less who McFadden is a fan of. If he were to play for the Raiders (which i hope not) its not like he would play soft when facing the Broncos
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Mista -
He’ll be here soon enough and he will read my first post, scramble a bit and then see my later post. Turn about is fair play and all of that.
Sorry to yank your chain Mista, trust your instincts, your first thought was the right one.
Warriors will get their 6th home win in a row against Atlanta tonight! I wish I got FSN, does anyone know if I can get the Warriors game on Sopcast or TVU?
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Cho-Be,
Capt Jack is just day 2 day he might play tonight! Im not aware of a biedrins injury.
If you have info pass a link mayne..
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Dogg, its all good!
How do you not have FSN ? No cable or Sat ? I dont even a clue what Sopcast or TVU is…Comcast = Sopcast ?
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
The link is on dailyreview. Somthin wrong with Biedrins stomach. He’s gonna have surgery
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
115…….
Makes me realize how fortunate we were last year with the #1 pick.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Rob Ryan’s Lust for Tyler Brayton is sickening.
41 consecutive games without a sack???? Yet RR is probably Pining to have Brayton re-segned after the mutant voided his conract.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
How is it possible to go 41 consecutive games without a sack?! What a Loser!
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Well he has a good motor lmao
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Biedrins is to undergo an appendectomy this evening, out 2 weeks or so.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Two and a half years without a sack and we cut Moses to keep Brayton.
With a friend like Rob Ryan who needs enemies?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/010728.html
the last line of this article,
There is only one boss at the Raiders, and we all know who that is….from Rob Ryan…….
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Yet I’m sure RR thinks, “We need more guys like Brayton”
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I’m sorry to hear that about Biedrins I love his play, however…
I like Patrick O’bryant maybe Nellie will give the kid some playing time. That Weber signing is looking like a real blessing.
Back to Football…
FIRE RYAN AL
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Mistabrown, I told you so. Now a washed up Webber could fill in
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Big Chill I read that earlier its a direct poke at Kiffin. RR is a yeast infected _ u s _ y!
Fill in the blanks.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
JohnS Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
[... Didn’t Kiffin say that he wanted the running back from Arkansas for christmas or something like that? ...]
How do you know that he meant McFadden and not Jones?
To those that think these two are interchangeable, you’re looking at different film than I. What I saw of Jones was juking, jiving and making people miss. I saw him running low and breaking arm tackles. What I saw from DMac highlights were either wide sweeps where he beats everyone to the corner or runs through gaping holes and him outrunning the secondary. The latter doesn’t translate as well to the NFL where everybody is fast. Jones ability to run lower and make people miss, coupled with the same breakaway speed, will make him a more complete NFL back. By the time the combine is done, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him ultimately picked before DMac — you heard it here first!
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:10 pm
did Brayton ever even tackle anyone for a loss? I can’t recall seeing that. seems as if every tackle or assist was 3-5 yds downfield.
motor was perhaps revving but the gearbox wasn’t engaged.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Mista -
Sopcast and TVU are peer to peer programs that allow you to watch TV shows that may be blacked out in your area on the internet. I watched 2 Raider games last year on the internet because it was blacked out locally. It’s how LMN is able to watch most Raider games on his laptop in Denmark. It’s a good way to go.
http://www.myp2p.eu/softwareitem.php?softwareid=5&part=software
http://www.tvunetworks.com/
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
yeah it’s sad, Kiffin is probably hating his job, and anyone not liking there job does not perform well, i really used to like Rob ryan but since our D has sucked and he hasn’t changed a thing, plus Brayton has done nothing for us and since he is all on his ….sack makes it more unbelieveable, why is al so much in love with Rob Ryan, we gave him a chance, why can’t we give the head coach a chance, only one year and he already wants to get rid of the guy, i know 4-12 isn’t great but we were competetive we fought hard, that was kiffin’s doing, al please go to a home, the nation will treat you well if you step down, but as long as you screw up our beloved team you will be hated, from your beloved fans, and actually we are the only ones in the world that actually give you props…..
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Mista -
Sopcast and TVU are peer to peer programs that allow you to watch TV shows on the internet, that may be blacked out in your area. I watched 2 Raider games last year on the internet because it was blacked out locally. It’s how LMN is able to watch most Raider games on his laptop in Denmark. It’s a good way to go.
I just posted this a minute ago with links but it is awaiting moderation which means that my first post won’t show up. Just type “sopcast” or “tvunetworks” at google for more info.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I’m going to go way against the grain here and say that I don’t see Brayton as the garbage that others portray him as. Has he lived up to his first round status, no. But is he a seviceable and versatile plug-in to round out your bottom 4 DL, absolutely. I don’t really care about sack numbers as I do overall effectiveness. Based on what I saw last year, he’s certainly as good if not better than either Burgess of Richardson against the run and at least, unlike the latter, knows to stay home in backside run support and to not let the back reverse direction and go for 30+ yards — I saw that happen to Richardson numerous times in ‘07.
I’m sure that Ryan likes him because of his attitude, work ethic, willingness to try anything from DE to DT to drop back LB. To me it just comes down to price. If he wants to come back at a cap friendly price, I’d be happy to have him stay in this back-up role.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
The only thing Brayton did do, he insert his kneecap into the groin of that punk TE from Seattle I forget his name. I guess his motor resides in his knee area!
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Latest RB’s taken with high picks, if memory serves me… Cadillac, career threatening knee injury; Ronnie Brown,should recover nicely from knee injury; Cedric Benson, a complete waste; Peterson, single game record followed by knee injury (and if you throw in Marshawn, solid year despite missing 3-4? games with ankle injury). 50 mil. for an RB?, call Lloyd’s of London.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Rob and Rex Ryan were interviewed on Sirius today. When Rob was asked about the Kiffin thing he blew it off as usual and said the Raiders are heading in a winning direction. He then said Al Davis is probably the best at toying with the Media.
When asked about the opportunity to coach in the Senior Bowl, he said he was glad he did and guys like Chris Long and Sed Ellis really stood out. He was super excited (tone of voice) when talking about Chris Long. I’m sure that is who he wants.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Assassin, nice post (182).
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Thats what I like to think, that the Raiders just toy with the media. Dont believe the hype you read in the papers (no disrespect jerry)
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
M - Anytime. Hope all is well with you.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Zymurge you would rather cut a 3rd round pick and keep Brayton around well thats fantastic.
I guess when you have Ryan as the DC you dont really know what any given players capabilities are so Brayton, Richardson, Moses, C long doesnt really matter who is on the roster does it?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
If you are going to talk about Felix Jones you can’t forget about Steve Slaton who definitely looks more impressive than Jones. My favorite small back though is Justin Forsett.
Slaton: 5′10″ 190 lbs, 4.37 40 (kind of reminds me of Westbrook)
Jones: 5′11″ 197, 4.4 40
Forsett: 5′8″ 196, 4.4 or lower
Westbrook: 5′8, 200 lbs, 4.57 40
Being a PAC 10 guy I love Forsett, but I’d prefer Slaton over Jones.
Forsett has some thick legs for his size and has awesome hands.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Yep, just chillin’
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Cho-Be - I should add that Rob was asked about his relationship with Mangini, Rob said they have a great relationship and wouldn’t mind coaching for him however he loves the talent on Defense in Oakland and can’t understand why Oakland is always given a black eye before the season starts. He also said that he wasn’t entirely limited in his playcalling however it’s been made clear to him that they are to run a specific defense (must be the Al Man to Man Defense).
As for the media hype, the hosts were less interested in Rob’s talent evaluation process at the combine, rather they delved into Rob vs Lane topics right away. Rob said that continuity on a team is critical and that they are on the same page.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
DSM,
Justin Forsett has the heart of a lion. I had never made that connection to his size and that of Westbrook. Good angle.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
DSM - I’d prefer Forsett over Slaton. I recognize Slaton’s film and production but he just seems to narrow in terms of build. When his QB went down on National TV he wasn’t given that many more touches thus I doubt his own coaches felt he could get it done.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 am
“How come everyone assumes that if the Raiders pick McFadden, it’s an Al Davis choice?”
………….
You’re right. What could Al Davis possibly have to do with a Raiders’ first round draft choice?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Pete’s evil plan to destroy the draft…
not easy to follow, so pay attention…
year one: 2008
trade the fourth pick in the draft to anyone for their 2nd, 3rd, and next year’s 1st…
year two: 2009
we have 2 first (early-middle) rounders, and we trade each to a team for their 2nd or 3rd and their next years 1st rounder.
year three: 2010
we have 3 first rounders, (an early rounder, middle rounder and a late rounder)
the early rounder we trade for a late 1st (2010 and a 1st in 2011), which we then trade for a 2nd rounder and a 1st rounder the following year…
the middle rounder we trade for a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the following year, and the late 1st rounder is traded for a 4th rounder and a 1st rounder the following year…
year four: 2011
we have 5 first round picks scattered throughout the 1st round…
trade the early (top 10) picks for later first rounder and next year first rounder… (assume 2 top 10s)
trade all (still have 5) for 2nds, 3rds, 4ths, & a 1st rounder the following year…
year five: 2012
we should have 7 first round picks….
by year 2017 we should have about 22 picks in the first round…
we use every one of them….
and offer veteran minimum salaries to each of them…
the outcry would be enourmous…
that geezer Florida Pete is an embarrassment to the sport and should be shot!!!
but…
that should take care of the draft problem…
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Nice follow-up Assassin.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
They Call Me Assassin Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
“He then said Al Davis is probably the best at toying with the Media.”
……….
While a lot of fans might think that’s just dandy, some of us fans would like Al Davis to focus more on building winning teams again; I mean, as cute as his games with the media are…
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
We’re going DLine with our 1st pick, and WR with our 2nd pick.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Burgess is going nowhere but the ProBowl for the Raiders next year.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Dogg,
Good one about Kobe, my heart did start racing while I searched downward looking for the post where you would say it was a joke…thank gosh I found it, lol.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Pete, good afternoon. Got any solutions for getting rid of the electoral college?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Hey Pete, that is flippin’ nutz!
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I’m defintely in agreement with Forsett over Slaton.
I do think both backs will be good, but I believe Forsett is going to be a stud 3rd down back.
My hope for the draft would be to land Dorsey in the 1st. If not available then trade down to land Clady or Williams from Vandy. Hope to land Lavelle Hawkins & Sims in the 2nd (if a trade down occurs) and still land Forsett in the 4th as teams are shying away from him and he’s projected as a 4th rounder because his size.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The article failed to mention that Rob Ryan is a Fat, Drunken Loser…and isn’t qualified enough to coach a high school defense.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Guys, when looking at the draft order it appears (based on team needs) that there will only be four OT’s taken in round one. There’s a good chance that Cherilius, Sam Baker, Anthony Collins, and Chris Williams will be available at our second pick.
If so, we can build this team from the trenches by taking Ellis then any of the above mentioned OT’s.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
mushin muhammed has been cut by the bears.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDogg
So far the warriors game isnt going to be on Tvu or sopcast tonight.
The link is http://www.MyP2P.eu
Click on live sports at the top of the page, basketball, and saturday for todays game. They are 1 day of the US for some reason.
Maybe later the feed will appear.
I’m going to watch my Mavericks whip up on the grizzlies tonight on tvants!
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Mushin Muhammad was a nice player Nate..
*WAS*
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
My question for Raider Raul is if JR is on his back which 2nd round WR is going to be of help? An OT is more of a need than a WR.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Noshadowking Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am
“For all the Al haters out there I got this to say anyone who talks to Al is impressed.”
………….
As in who, for example, besides players that are more impressed with the number of zeros in their salaries?
I sincerely hope you’re not speaking of the Bill Walshes, Bill Belichicks, Dennis Greens, and Bill Parcellses out there…
Because as impressed as they may be with Mr. Davis, notice how they wouldn’t work for him if their life depended on it.
And, how impressed could Gruden and Kiffin be with him when they both immediately tried to undermine him, his expertise, and his authority the minute they were hired?
At the end of the day, the only thing truly impressive about Al Davis anymore is how he’s still able to convince so many fans into believing in him, despite being the worst in his profession over the course of the last 5 years (I challenge anyone to point out a great general manager responsible for 5 straight last place teams).
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Let me be clear that I am not a Rob Ryan booster. Just reporting his statements. It’s funny you mention him as a fat, drunken, loser as the hosts met the two brothers at Steak and Shake the night before and asked permission for the interview.
Although I don’t think Rob Ryan is his dad, it’s obvious the players will play hard for him. My issue with him is his over optimism. When he said we stold Quentin Moses, then cut him, that pretty much took the credibility with him.
If he can get Sands to a Pro-Bowl and turn Fabian into a legitimate number 1, then I’ll give him some respect.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
“the hosts met the two brothers at Steak and Shake the night before and asked permission for the interview.”
Yeah, and what’s your point?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
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February 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Assassin,
The players will play hard for Rob Ryan???
I think you might want to review the ‘07 Raiders.
Poor tackling, no ability to stop the run what so ever.
The other major flaw was their being out of position to make plays on key passing downs, which is actually Ryan’s fault because it’s due to scheme.
Not only do the players not play hard for Ryan, which is, again, evidenced in our 2007 game film (Indy is one game, you have to do it for 16 games…), but it’s obvious Ryan either doesn’t know what he’s doing instruction wise, or he’s merely relaying Al Davis’s philosophy to the players, considering the defense we ran last year was so similar to failing defenses this franchise has had before Ryan was ever hired.
I don’t wish bad things on anyone, but if Rob Ryan had choked to death on the 10 lbs. of steak he was stuffing into his mouth during that interview, it would not hurt the team one bit.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I think the raiders should try their hardest to pick up flozell adams now that the cowgirls released him. that would solve our LT problem (if he can fit our zone scheme)then hope that dorsey is still on the board for our #4, if not Ellis almost surely will be. As far as recievers go, I think we should try to pick up Stallworth and Berrian, the more depth the better, GET SOME WEAPONS OUT THERE! we do have enough cap room.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
We can forget about drafting a WR early, it’s not our style. A third rounder is probably the earliest we would look, in which case we don’t have that pick this year.
I agree with “M”, we have a bigger need at OL. JR needs time to throw and a running game to keep the chains moving. There will be plenty of WR’s open when the fundamentals kick in. Let’s compare the Titans versus a team like the Bengals. The Titans went 10 - 6 without a passing game, the Bengals 7 - 9 with good QB play and WR threats. The Titans weren’t Conference Contenders but they are a lot closer than the Bengals are. Build the trenches and running game first. This year the Titans are in a position to draft a WR to help get them to the next level, as the Bengals have major issues with RB, OL, and DL.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Jake Long is a beast and if he’s there at #4, he’ll be a Raider. Love it or hate it, I just can’t see us passing on him. Not a popular de