Gray would be good move
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 10th, 2008 at 9:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quinn Gray, the Jacksonville backup quarterback who will reportedly (source, NFL Network) be visiting the Raiders Tuesday, may be the best option available to serve as a backup to JaMarcus Russell.
That is assuming, of course, that Andrew Walter is not the backup.
Some of the other quarterbacks on the market include:
– Daunte Culpepper. You wonder if he would consider the Raiders again if no one comes calling. Seemed like a stand-up guy all season, right up to the point when he vanished from sight the moment he had his mysterious leg injury.
In that regard, all his talk about mentoring Russell seemed a little shallow.
– Gus Frerotte. Keeps getting jobs and keeps getting cut.
– Mark Brunell. Would have been a great idea about six years ago.
– Jared Lorenzen. Former Giants quarterback would make Russell look svelte.
– Joey Harrington. May return to Falcons.
– Marques Tuiasosopo. Yep, he’s available again.
There are a few more names, but Gray looks to be the best of a lot. He’s 28 years old, plays a lot like David Garrard and has experience playing on a team with a run-heavy offense.
Apology
Sorry to anyone who had a football-related post deleted this evening. Things got so out of hand I resorted to a “mass edit” mode for the first time.
The bottom line is this _ I have a life outside of work and this is the time of year I can get some time off after a long season of football, free agency, etc. after filing blogs (often more than one in a day) since mid-July.
The draft is still weeks away. I’m pretty much “on call,” which means if I hear anything or news breaks somewhere else that is significant, I’ll probably have something to say about it.
I may be away from the computer for hours at a time and not post for a day or two, and if no else is checking in as a moderator, it can turn into a free-for-all.
Thanks to everyone who contributes responsibly and with passionate opinions.
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March 10th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I know I’m not first, but what the heck, might as well try…
March 10th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Oh, I got it! Ha ha hahahahahahaah
March 10th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
third
March 10th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Jerry, have you contacted the Oakland Police Department or the FBI to see what information they have on Kiffin? He hasn’t been seen or heard from in weeks. We’ve signed a lot of free agents. An opinion from him would be nice, after all, he is the coach and all is well in the Raiders organization….
So, it’s just puzzling that we haven’t heard a word from him.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Gholston in 2008!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
gholston , dorsey, ellis, or trade down.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Ignore Maddenraider. he’s a troll.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
any news on kiffin?
March 10th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
“So Raiders owner Al Davis wants coach Lane Kiffin to quit and Kiffin won’t and now there’s a mess in Oakland. Again.
Talk in league circles, however, is that Kiffin should have known what he was getting into when he took the job a year ago. After all, the same structure that fired Art Shell after a year and then overlooked all candidates with head-coaching experience and ultimately honed in on off-the-radar USC co-offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian and then shifted to even-more-off-the-radar USC co-offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin when Sarkisian passed is the structure that currently is considering dumping yet another head coach and looking elsewhere.
Meanwhile, we’re hearing that Kiffin’s reported salary of $2 million per year is believed to be a $1 million higher than it really is. If that’s so, it’s even more confusing to us that Davis wouldn’t merely cut Kiffin loose and pay his money and move on.
Instead, it appears that Davis will wait until he can conjure up a reason to fire Kiffin for cause. And even if there really isn’t actual cause, Davis likely will claim that there is — and then force Kiffin to try to get his money through the league’s grievance procedures.
So what next for the Raiders? Some believe that Davis simply doesn’t value a head coach in the same way that other teams do. For the Raiders, player talent and offensive and defensive coordinators are the keys to success. The head coach is merely the game-day manager. Thus, the Raiders could make a change at any time before the start of the regular season, and it won’t make any real difference to the fate of the team.
If that’s the way the Raiders truly operate, then defensive coordinator Rob Ryan won’t be elevated to the position of head coach. He’ll stay in his job, and offensive coordinator Greg Knapp in his, and Dennis Green or some guy we’re not presently thinking of (and possibly haven’t even heard of) will get the job.”
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/01/26/kiffin-should-have-known-what-he-was-getting-into/
March 10th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
man, is all you can do . copy and paste.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
say your opinion and put the link.
do you to copy and paste the article too.
March 10th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
why would a real raider fan post anti raider crap that is two months old??
March 10th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
“Raiders’, 49ers’ situations should be a concern to Goodell, NFL
By Glenn Dickey
March 10, 2008
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has done a good job of dealing with the out-of-control players who have been a serious blemish on the league’s reputation. Now, he faces another challenge with two owners in the San Francisco Bay Area who are bringing once-proud franchises, the 49ers and Oakland Raiders, to their knees.
Al Davis is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and deservedly so, but his career with the Raiders can be divided into two nearly equal but hugely contrasting eras.
From 1963 through 1985, Davis put together a team that had the highest winning percentage in American professional sports and played in four Super Bowls, winning the last three they were in.
But from 1986 through the 2007 season, Davis’ Raiders are 27 games below .500 in regular-season play and have been to just one Super Bowl, being routed by the Buccaneers in XXXVII. And it’s getting worse. In the five years since that Super Bowl, the Raiders are an NFL-worst 19-61.
Davis always has been in control of the Raiders, but in the good years, he usually had somebody with contrarian ideas to whom he’d listen. In the early days, for instance, Ron Wolf pushed him to draft Ken Stabler. As recently as 1999, then-head coach Jon Gruden was able to persuade Davis to release Jeff George and sign Rich Gannon. With Gannon at quarterback, the Raiders got to their last Super Bowl.
Davis “traded” Gruden to Tampa Bay, in exchange for draft picks and money. As coach of the Bucs, Gruden’s strategy destroyed the Raiders in the Super Bowl, a resounding 48-21 win for the Bucs. That started a decline for the Raiders, as they crashed to 4-12 in the 2003 season.
There is nobody left in the Raiders’ organization who will challenge Davis as Wolf and Gruden did. Employees know that if Davis asks for their opinions, he only listens if they agree with him. One employee who tired of that routine asked Davis, “Do you really want my opinion, or do you just want me to agree with yours?” Davis snarled at him, “Get out of here,” which pretty much answered that question.
Lately, Davis’ actions have gone from bad to totally irrational, as in his attempt to get head coach Lane Kiffin to sign a resignation letter. Had he done so, Kiffin would have forfeited the $4 million he’s owed over the next two years. Kiffin declined to sign it. Surprise.
Kiffin was only 31 when he was hired to coach the Raiders last spring. He had never been a head coach before, so he was learning on the job. Overall, he did a good job and he seemed on his way to changing the losing atmosphere surrounding the Raiders.
Nobody knows exactly what will happen now, but it won’t be good. If Kiffin stays, his authority with the players will be seriously undermined. If he leaves, who would Davis get to replace him? A coach would have to be suicidal to go to Oakland.
The only way for this situation to improve is for Goodell to appoint a good football man to step in and take operating control of the Raiders. There is precedent for this in baseball, where Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott twice was removed from active control in the 1990s.
Of course, Davis would sue, but Oakland Athletics owner Charlie Finley also sued baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn when Kuhn negated Finley’s sale of star players in the late ’70s. Finley lost, as a federal court judge ruled in 1978 that a commissioner had the right to take action to protect the best interests of his sport. Removing Davis from control of the Raiders would certainly fit that description.”
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2008/dickey2301.htm
March 10th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
l like green.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Why would a Raider fan constantly post anti Raider garbage from SF Whiner writers?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
“Mar 4, 2008 3:00 AM (6 days ago) by Glenn Dickey, The Examiner
SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - Lane Kiffin will soon be history — the betting among insiders is that he’ll be gone before next month’s draft — and the only question is his successor. Al Davis will hire from within, either defensive coordinator Rob Ryan or newly hired James Lofton. My money is on Lofton, who was twice interviewed by Davis for the head job in the past.
It’s a total turnaround from last year, when Kiffin was introduced as the new coach and Davis talked of their common history as Southern Cal assistants, seemingly seeing in Kiffin a version of himself at that age.
Davis also allowed Kiffin the ability to hire new assistants, which previous coaches could not, as well as allowing him to run an offense that is an offshoot of Bill Walsh’s system, not a Davis favorite.
Even then, though, there were hints of future discord when Davis overrode Kiffin’s preference for wide receiver Calvin Johnson to select quarterback JaMarcus Russell with the No. 1 overall pick.
Johnson caught 48 passes for 756 yards and four touchdowns as a rookie with the Detroit Lions. Russell did not sign with the Raiders until after the season had started and didn’t play until late in the season.
It’s much too early to pass judgment on that selection. Russell is a big talent and was a big playmaker in college, but there are disturbing signs. He reported so overweight that a woman reporter suggested he needed a bra. He got back down to his playing weight during the season, but there are reports that his weight has shot up again in the offseason. His focus on football seems less than complete.
He’ll be the starting quarterback, though, because the two quarterbacks who shared most of the playing time last season, Josh McCown and Daunte Culpepper, have left as free agents.
During the season, Davis observed as always but didn’t interfere. The Raiders were more competitive than they’d been the previous season, but still ended up with a 4-12 mark, which was right where they’ve been stuck the last five years, as they’ve compiled an NFL-worst 19-61 record.
Davis tried to get Kiffin to sign a resignation letter. Kiffin refused, but I’m sure the two sides are negotiating a settlement now.
Though Davis has always had the final word on club decisions, somebody else has done the public negotiating. No longer. Agents have said that he’s the one doing the negotiating, as he’s made two big deals, signing New York Giants safety Gibril Wilson, the San Jose native and City College of San Francisco alumnus, as a free agent and signing his own player, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly to a $50 million, seven-year contract with $18 million in guaranteed money.
The first deal was an excellent one. The Raiders can now move Michael Huff, who has been a disappointment at strong safety, to free safety, where he can better use his athleticism.
The second move was a real head-scratcher. Kelly has value because he can play either inside or outside, but he is coming off an ACL injury and he could have been retained at a much lower price.
Davis has clearly decided to roll the dice and show a skeptical football world that he still knows how to put a team together. You can count me among the skeptics. No matter who the new coach is, the Raiders will again hold up the rest of the league this fall.”
http://www.examiner.com/a-1256899~Dickey__New_coach_won_t_fix_Raiders.html?cid=
March 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
man are you not a raiders fan??
March 10th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
“IT’S GOING TO be intriguing to see where the Oakland Raiders offseason maneuvers go from here, because at the moment, it’s hard to see how they are appreciably better than the 4-12 team that ended the 2007 season.
Some would argue the Raiders actually might be worse, considering there have been far more subtractions to the roster than additions. And that doesn’t even include head coach Lane Kiffin, whose status remains a mystery.”
http://www.marinij.com/raiders/ci_8447207
March 10th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
man, stop with the copy and paste, im more interested in reading your post, not a copied article.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
“Killion: On and on it goes. When it will stop, nobody knows.
THE CONTINUING SAGA OF KIFFIN, DAVIS, RAIDERS
By Ann Killion
Mercury News Sports Columnist
Article Launched: 02/26/2008 01:36:09 AM PST
The NFL scouting combine ends today, and the most intriguing question hasn’t been who covers 40 yards the fastest but whether the Raiders’ coach would go the distance.
Lane Kiffin was in Indianapolis, ostensibly still the Raiders’ coach. Though he kept a low profile, he was spotted a few times, notably not wearing Raiders gear. One reporter saw him at a nightspot dancing.
Was Kiffin dancing on his own grave? Speculation continues to rage that Kiffin’s time with the Raiders might be measured in weeks. Al Davis always likes to test the NFL’s limits: So can he field a team without a head coach?
This bizarre Raiders crisis has been festering for more than a month. The reports have been astonishing, even by the Raiders’ peculiar standards. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was fired, except that he wasn’t. Kiffin was asked to resign, and did not. Kiffin has been stripped of his power, either all or part. James Lofton was hired, perhaps to be a backup head coach (another Davis innovation).
It’s just the way Davis prefers it. Mysterious. Strange. And probably causing untold damage to his team.
That’s what Davis doesn’t seem to get. Perception in the NFL is reality. And the perception is that the Raiders are a team in chaos. Again.
The perception used to be that the Raiders were renegades. Cool. That they had a different way of doing things that worked. Now the perception is that the Raiders are a mess. Incompetent. That their unique
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way of doing things doesn’t work. Randy Moss is Exhibit A, but almost every ex-Raider of recent years can attest to the sad state of the organization.
And now this. Heck of a way to enter free agency.
The RTB (Raiders True Believers) insist that this all is an invention of the media. They flood blogs with assurances that everything is fantastic in the Nation, ignoring the reality: Where there is silver-and-black smoke, there’s usually a fire that burns entire seasons. The people the Raiders like to dub “false rumor-mongers” are usually dead-on in their reporting.
Tracked down by Jerry McDonald, my Bay Area News Group colleague, Kiffin declined to comment on any specific questions about his status. That doesn’t exactly squelch the intrigue. All indications are that the situation remains at an impasse.
Two truths are being proven again. The first is that Davis doesn’t value head coaches. He doesn’t care if he publicly neuters his coach. He cares, to a pathological extreme, about control, and this incident takes his usual undermining tactics to a new level.
The other truth is that Kiffin is too young for this job. Hired at 31, he thought he could take an untenable situation - one that has defeated far more experienced men - and turn it in his favor. He was naive enough to believe that he could handle working for Davis.
But Kiffin isn’t the biggest loser in all of this. He will either shut his mouth and be humiliated for the sake of a paycheck, or he will be be gone; either way, he will land another job soon enough.
Davis isn’t the biggest loser either. He will go on running his team in his own strange way.
The biggest loser is JaMarcus Russell, the $30 million kid quarterback, who is finding out what it means to be a Raider.
Russell will either be working under a new coach, with a new offense, or he will be working under a lame-duck coach with no control or authority. He will expend energy trying to decipher the situation, and probably will learn to distrust any coaching or advice. It will be a period of wasted time and false starts - a tense and confusing situation not conducive to developing as an NFL quarterback.
Give Davis credit, though. He’s still an innovator. Sadly, his specialty is devising new ways to wreck his own organization.”
http://origin.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_8365640
March 10th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
“The RTB (Raiders True Believers) insist that this all is an invention of the media. They flood blogs with assurances that everything is fantastic in the Nation, ignoring the reality: Where there is silver-and-black smoke, there’s usually a fire that burns entire seasons. The people the Raiders like to dub “false rumor-mongers” are usually dead-on in their reporting.
Tracked down by Jerry McDonald, my Bay Area News Group colleague, Kiffin declined to comment on any specific questions about his status. That doesn’t exactly squelch the intrigue. All indications are that the situation remains at an impasse.”
http://origin.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_8365640
March 10th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
“Matt Mosley: Who’s the first coach fired and why?
The easy answer always will be the current coach of the Oakland Raiders. As long as owner Al Davis runs the Raiders, this is the most unstable job in football.
John Fox and Mike Nolan are on the hot seat with the Panthers and 49ers, but Raiders coach Lane Kiffin won’t even be able to sit down. During the combine, I talked to a high-ranking official for the team who said the now-infamous postseason note that Davis reportedly sent Kiffin stripping him of power in the organization was completely overblown. Still, the official acknowledged that it was a difficult situation, which is a diplomatic way of saying, “We work for a madman.”
After Jon Gruden bolted for Tampa Bay in 2002, Davis fired three coaches in the next four seasons. I’m told Kiffin developed an excellent rapport with his young players last season, but there’s nothing to suggest that Davis will be patient enough to let him build a winning team.
The Kiffin-Davis relationship soured when the 32-year-old coach pulled the trigger on the Randy Moss trade to the Patriots for a fourth-round draft pick. As Moss chased and eventually broke the season touchdown record, Davis’ bitterness grew. I actually think Kiffin could become an excellent head coach. It just won’t happen in Oakland.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3285928
March 10th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Please set up a delete Madden Raider comments button so I don’t have to wade through all these negative posts day after day. The same point over and over. Please can we move on?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
madden you are stupid.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Haven’t we seen the Troll post these same articles posted over and over and over and over. I think we’re going to see another Madderaider meltdown soon.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
“Meanwhile, Raider Nation finds itself unwittingly trapped in a Black Hole of denial. Check the comments that will be posted at the bottom of this item. Plenty will again chastise the “media” for having an agenda against the Silver and Black.
The truth is that, if the media wanted to see the Raiders fail, the media wouldn’t say a thing. Instead, the media would sit back and watch it all continue to crumble.”
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=376304
March 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
“Then came the inexplicable decision to sign former Broncos receiver Javon Walker to a deal that could be worth $55 million over six years, including $16 million in guaranteed money. Walker, whose 2007 season was shortened by lingering knee problems, will likely get a whopping $21 million over the first two years.
Amazingly, the Raiders promptly dispatched an in-house mouthpiece to explain to multiple reporters that the deal doesn’t really pay Walker $16 million in guaranteed money, and that his agents came up with that number based on a $6 million signing bonus, a non-guaranteed $5 million base salary in 2008 that will almost certainly be paid, and a $5 million base salary in 2009 that is almost as likely to be paid.
The only problem? The information disseminated by Da Raidahs was, well, dead wrong. Walker actually received an $11 million signing bonus, and he’ll get a $5 million roster bonus in early 2009. The roster bonus is fully guaranteed against injury.”
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=376304
March 10th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
“We know Al Davis tried to dump Lane Kiffin. There was that letter of resignation Al tried to jam down the kid coach’s throat. Kiffin regurgitated the letter. We assume Al is working on a buyout. In the weird funny world of the Raiders, where no normal logic applies, this would be logical.
Let’s pause a moment for a wacky Raiders aside. When Al introduced Kiffin to the media last year, Davis called Lane Kiffin Lance Kiffin. You know that, right? All year, I referred to Lane as Lance. I couldn’t help myself. It was part of the hilarity. I mean, Al didn’t even know his coach’s name. A friend of mine — a columnist for another paper — went on TV to discuss the Raiders and right there on camera he called Lane Lance. “It was your fault,” he later told me, laughing. I guess it was my fault.
But it’s not my fault the Raiders are pure comedy.
Anyway, it’s fair to assume there will be a buyout, although it seems awfully late to bring in a new coach now. The two frontrunners for next sucker coach are Rob Ryan and James Lofton. Ryan is the hefty defensive coordinator Lance tried to dump before he himself got semi-dumped. Are you following this?”
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080307/WIRE/803070344/1010/SPORT01
March 10th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
we all have moved on. But one idiot wants to post the same anti raider gibberish by noted anti raider, pro whiner sports writers like glenn dickey and Ira miller. Then there’s a bunch of crazy racist sh**, and people getting there iditiites taken. wonder who is responsible for all the crap here?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Thank you Mr McDonald for your continuing to update for us here, that we may have Raider football related topics to discuss.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
unbelievable. i think this is the 10th time he has posted this crap. why would you post the same stuff 10 times unless you were mentally unstable.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
“Switch to Bill Walsh. When Bill was in the hospital — dying, sad — we would talk on the phone and sometimes, if he needed cheering up, he’d say, “Let’s talk about the Raiders.” I could hear the laugh in his voice. He was not feeling malice. He was feeling the fun — the pure giddiness of the Raiders. He liked and admired Al, but he saw what was going on with the Silver and Black and, well, it was wackiness to the max.
I bring up Bill because a moment ago I brought up Rob Ryan. One day Bill said to me, “What do you think of that defensive coordinator?”
I could see where this was going. I said something like, “You mean the heavy-set guy?”
“Yeah, that’s the one.”
Bill, who always was proud of his appearance, said the guy didn’t cut the right image for a coach of athletes. I asked if Ryan could have been a coach on Bill’s staff. That’s when Bill started chuckling. “No way,” he said, although he didn’t say, “No way.” He uttered an exclamation I’m not allowed to print in this paper.”
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080307/WIRE/803070344/1010/SPORT01
March 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
MR I certainly hope there was a point to all this stuff that you post. Just skip right over your posts now. Get through in half the time now. Thanks!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
MaddenRaider!!!!!! It’s past your med time!!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Quinn Gray would be an excellent pick-up, very professional. Would that mean that AW is to be moved?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
like i said b4 gay 40whiners fans have nothing going on this offseason. so they try to get some attention from here.
its ok gay 40 whiner fan
i understand you over paid for clemmens
lost kwame harris to the raiders for less money than what you paid and he fits in our scheme
gore only plays when mommy dies
nolan needs ray to win
oh and after replacing harris with staley you couldnt rush for a yard.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
M
I had a post to you earlier, it got wiped out for no apparent reason.
Take care, and have a good evening.
Headin home.
This is just crazy!!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
another pro Bill Walsh, anti Raider message from Maddenraider. that’s the tenth time he’s posted that one too. pro whiner, anti raider. what a shock.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
wtf is a “real Raider?”
get real, homeslice, ya’ll ain’t on the team.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“2:27 p.m. update: Great new info from Jerry Mac, who reports the Raiders clarified some of the dollars and the time-frame on the Walker deal–somebody in there must be upset at the reaction to the $$ paid. Obviously, a large portion the $55M total is back-loaded. That’s the way all of these deals are put together.
But even in the Raiders’ own clarification to JMac, it’s clear that they’re egregiously over-paying Walker for the short-term: If Walker’s cut after one season, he’ll be paid $11M for that one year. WHOA. If he’s cut after two seasons, it’s $16M for two years. That is not inexpensive, Raider Nation. That’s crazy money, even when the Raiders explain it themselves.
Last offseason, with the 49ers spending crazy drunken sailor money on free agents, the Raiders remained mostly quiet–a safety here, a back-up RB, that’s about it…
This year? Crazy Raiders! (49ers are somewhere in between this year.) For Al Davis, first came the monster deal to bring back DL Tommy Kelly, setting the bar for cash-out-of-pocket to a man who rarely gets into the QB pocket.
Then big guaranteed money to S Gibril Wilson.
Now… 6 years/55M for WR Javon Walker, who is injury prone, hasn’t been very productive except for one year, was beat out by Brandan Marshall then released by the Broncos, has complained his whole career about something or another… He gets $16M guaranteed.
Wow.
OK, I do understand that JaMarcus Russell needs targets and Walker, if healthy and happy, is better than anybody else the Raiders have. No question. Ronald Curry and TBA/TBA weren’t going to be a three-WR set to scare the Chargers.
And if the Raiders are going to add people, they’re going to have to pay the Dysfunction Bonus–their dysfunction adds 30% to 40% to deals, since players properly need to see the money if they’re going to end up in the wasteland.
It does cost the Raiders, though, in multiple ways. Al is trying to make the team better… It must pain him deep inside to know that he’s badly over-paying erratic players just to maintain a semblance of a competitive team on paper.
Jerry Porter should’ve worked out for the Raiders. He wanted to be anywhere in the world except in Oakland, however, and wasn’t very productive when he was a Raider, and left for short money just to be the hell out of there.
Players are supposed to want to be in Oakland. You’re not supposed to have to over-pay the middling ones to get their attention.
I’ll ask Al about all that the next time I see him.
Let’s do a quick rundown of some comparable WR contracts of guys who are slightly more accomplished than Walker:
* Bernard Berrian, left Chicago for Minnesota: 6 yrs/24M, $16M guaranteed. (Same guarantee, fewer years, lower average.)
* Jerry Porter, left the Raiders for Jacksonville: 3 yrs/15M, apparently $10M guaranteed. (Much less than Walker.)
* Donte’ Stallworth, left New England for Cleveland: 7 yrs/35M, apparently $10M guaranteed. (Much less than Walker.)
* Randy Moss….
Moss: Stayed with New England for 3 yrs/27M, $15M guaranteed. (That’s about the same average as Walker, less guaranteed. Moss is a pain, but he’s less of a pain than Walker, I’m thinking. Same deal–if you’re a malcontent heading to the Raiders, you become impossible. If you’re a malcontent heading to a good team, there’s a chance for you.)
–Other deals over the past few seasons…
* Marvin Harrison: 7 yrs/67M, $22M guaranteed. He deserves it, but now getting hurt.
* Wes Welker: 5 yrs/18.1M. Hmm. Welker’s one-third the player that Walker is? Getting paid like it.”
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/03/05/raiders-give-wr-javon-walker-an-ego-contract-al-davis-ego-i-think/
March 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
40whiner fan, its ok dont cry, some man still loves you.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Night Dell, catch ya later.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
# furious styles Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“wtf is a “real Raider?”
get real, homeslice, ya’ll ain’t on the team.”
_________________________
Exactly.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Well played Howiedoin, well played. I do the same.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Nothing to really see here, night all. Let’s get Gray in camp. He’s the perfect backup for JR.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
EOTS Just skip em you’ll be done with this blog in record time. May I make this suggestion to one and all to regain control DO NOT RESPOND. It will shrivel up and go away.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
hey whiner fan are you still here?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Night, Assassin.
Same here Howie.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
come on maddenraidr. time to come home and take your meds.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
“But because of the ambiguous job status of head coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders can’t do this. Their head-coaching conundrum overshadows everything. For those of you who choose to get their daily dose of drama via “Days of Our Lives,” here’s a quick refresher on how we got to the current impasse:
1) Kiffin wants to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, not surprisingly after Ryan’s stink-job of a season.
2) Owner Al Davis says no.
3) Kiffin, pissed off that Davis blocks the move, flirts with the University of Michigan and the University of Arkansas about their openings.
4) Davis, pissed off that Kiffin would think about leaving, reportedly asks for a letter of resignation from Kiffin, a rumor that the Raiders vehemently deny.
5) Days later, Kiffin shows up to coach the Senior Bowl, sans Raiders paraphernalia. He was recently seen in Indianapolis for the Combine, again doing his best to showcase as little affiliation with the Raiders as possible.”
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2008/sohn022808.htm
March 10th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
we like your posts maddenriader
March 10th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Joe don’t you get it? Don’t give him any meds it will all go away of it’s own accord.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Sorry, couldn’t jump off with one last comment.
First, WHAT UP “M”!
Second, why didn’t we make a play for Antonio Bryant? Bad egg or not, he needs the league more than the league needs him right now. He will play his arse off for the next two seasons to strike a deal. He would’ve came in on the cheap and definitely commands respect from a coverage aspect. He’s a bit of a china doll in terms of injury, but again, he’d be a cheap with a chip on his shoulder.
Oh well, it’s spilled milk now.
Good night…again.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
post#49 THATS FUNNY.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I have repeatedly told my season ticket rep that if the HC situation is not resolved by deposit time I’m OUT!
I know several other long time season ticket holders who are also seriously on the fence and leaning towards watching from home this year.
The lack of any statement from the Raiders or Kiffin at this point when the fan base is so obviously upset tends to make one think that a Direct TV NFL Season Ticket package might be a much better investment.
No way am I sitting through another first year head coach live. I am so f—ing pissed off about all this. It really felt like a corner had been turned and the next few years were going to be a great time to spend 8 Sunday’s a year at the Coliseum. Now, not so much.
Cheers,
Ian
March 10th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
by posting this crap over and over and over and over maddenraider, has does it make you feel?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
who is antonio bryant???
March 10th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
is it that washed up WR from the whiners?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Just trying to focus on Raider football amid the chaos, Assassin.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Dr. Wolf, Who in the World cares????!!!! Skip it. Night all!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
true trueRaider. If we signed him, how would that make you feel??
March 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Ian, I think a lot of people feel the way you do. And, don’t be fooled, all of these “everything is fine, ignore the negative news” people here are really just a couple of people, and I’m sure the moderators here could corroborate it with IP addresses.
Every Raider fan I talk to in real life is pissed right now. Very few people I’ve talked to are either in denial of what’s going on, or believe that Norv Lofton will be fine as our HC. (I actually picked up the term “Norv” Lofton from a Raider fan I work with.)
I hope it all works out, and that Kiffin stays. But if he doesn’t, I wouldn’t blame anyone for canceling their season tix. Just curious, what does your ticket rep tell you when you tell them that you’re awaiting the coaching situation to be resolved? I’ll bet you whatever they say is a carbon copy of some of the stuff we read in here, from people who are of course…just fans. LOL.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
just like awhiner fan
March 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I think I know what MaddenRaider is doing. He is trying to wake up the Nation to the fact that our team has been hijacked by a old man who is out of control. The Al Davis that revolutionized the league years ago, is no longer available. Until all Raider fans let it be known to Al, that his way of doing business is destroying our team, he will continue doing the stupid things he does best. As a huge long time Raider fan, who never misses a game, I for one am getting tired of Al Davis. All I wish for is that he turns to the team over to someone with a little common sense and trust that the people around him are trying to make the team better. So MaddenRaider, I hear you!!!!
March 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
He said homeslice…funny
That’s old school yo.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
maddenraider you seem to embrace the negativity and you want to spread it around. How does that make you feel???
March 10th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Thank you, Raider T.
And, that’s exactly what I’m doing. I just can’t see playing fantasy draft when we haven’t heard from our head coach since the free agency period began. What the heck are we going to do with these players, without a HC?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
me dr i know that one.
let me answer i know.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
raider t is gay too?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Trueraider, I’m trying not to respond to your guy’s person insults, but my god, have we hit the sauce tonight, or what? You’re rambling, dude.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Raider T.
MR hasn’t said anything he just regurgitates. Get your ears checked t.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Folks, we are all witnessing Crazy Al’s desparate acts of his final years. I admit, though, that I admire his passion for TRYING to do ANYTHING he can to turn us into winners. He’s spending a ton of dough, cuz…well…HE CAN. He sure can’t take his money to the grave. Unfortunately, the moves seem desparate, and I’m afraid he’s going to bring in Pacman or Hall next. I hope Kiffin coaches one more year…
March 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Gray if we can sign him would be better than anyone could’ve hoped for. It gives us options that we wouldn’t have had before.
Kiffin make it happen captain.
As far as those that wont get their tickets, so be it. The 49ers have god seats available. c ya’
March 10th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
i think hall would be a good fit here. we could then send fabian and our #4 pick to the cowgirls for there two picks a later pick and barber.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
what has gray done in jacksonville? why is he so coveted?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Raider Raul, what about the Raiders after Al leaves? He’ll likely leave the team with his wife and son. Does it help them if he pisses away good money today that can be used when they’re running the team? You’re not making much of a case for Al. Just demonstrating that he has a child-like sense of selfishness along with his many other flaws.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
jona that will never happen, plus we dont need another big contract, or a corner.
its we couldnt stop the pass last year, it was the run we coulnt stop.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
TrueRaider, it’s time to put on a pot of coffee, bud. Started early tonight, did ya?
BHP, Kiffin makes it happen?
Speaking of Kiffin, have you heard from him? In case you didn’t know, he’s been on a milk carton since the free agency period began. It would be nice to get a word from him, on the things he’s making happen…
March 10th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
When the season starts and he leads the team on the field that’s all that matters.
Then what can the media say it’s a mirage.
so real raider fans would trip on this stuff it’s only the insecure ones that do.
I want hear from the coach, well that’s a personal problem aint it?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
just dreaming i guess. but hall would be an uprade over fabian or routt. i know its not a need but when a pro bowl corner is available and probably for not to much, id like to see us try. plus id rather they grab hall than pacman. that guy has serious character issues.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
OK now your seeing things huh?, The coach of the Oakland Raiders is in doing a damn good job of running the team. that’s all I care about as for the rest of this stuff, i couldn’t care. You can post this garbage until sickens even you it’s a free country and you can say what you want I see crazy people walking the street doing the same thing you’re doing. Talking to themselves.
March 10th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
so maddenraider if kiffin spoke directly to you, how would that make you feel?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
i know that one dr, can i answer can i???
March 10th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
I just want coach to keep up the good work and we’ll see him soon enough.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
speaking of your imaginary friends maddenraider, have you heard from mike nolan or mike shanahan or any other coach regarding the signings?? How about Andy ried not getting the playmakers he wanted. and if you haven’t seen or heard from any of them, how does that make you feel?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Boldin was just seen leaving the Oakland Airport headed to Hegenburger
Boldin baby!
I am the MAN!
MaddenRaider - U love to get Oaked over and over don’t you?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Blackholepriest,
good to hear your input. A voice in the wilderness.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
hey doc i know that one too , can i answer?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Ian
Will blackout rules apply even with Sunday ticket?
I agree that my psl paying since they came back and season ticket days are over if Al continues to show his senility.
As for Dickey’s comments about taking the team from Al, it’ll never happen. Teams like the Cards and Lions haven’t won anything since color tv was invented. As much as the last few years stink, teams like these and the Bungles, Tampa (pre-Dungy), Browns, and even Packers have had 5+ year runs of this level of pathetic play.
Beside it being old news, MaddenRaider does present a large body of opinion about how bad this team has become - lie it or not.
The speed with which “league sources” (as in Raiders sources) responded to JR’s weight and the overpaying of Walker, their silence regarding Kiffin speaks volumes about the validity of the story.
Keep calling the box office demanding to know if Kiffin’s staying. Money talks.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
MR,
I’m not really making a case for Al. I’m just calling it like I see it. Good and Bad. I guess I just think I understand what’s going on…an old cantancerous man who is a shell of his former legendary self who will spend what it takes to give the Raiders a chance to improve. Does anyone here gamble?? Alright, stupid question, but the point is that nothing is guaranteed. We should all know that. Right or wrong, I just appreciate the effort. I like hearing that we may add another great WR (Boldin) & CB (Hall)…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1kjNIo9mmww
Raaaiiiddddeeeerrss!
March 10th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
M, i’m always glad to help in any small way. I know it gets a little crazy in here but we’re fine and things are looking up.
I’m real excited about the off season so far, I just want the draft to go as well. Their ducks are in a row but we’ve got several prospects that they need to get a better read on to rate them as best they can. A lot of wrk left to get done and not whle lot of time to do it. So we’ll see.
Hopefully I’ll get the opportunity to see or get a feel for certain players. Then it’s all about the execution on draft day. Of course if I hear anything There’s no way I will put it in here. but you’ll know when I know for sure.
It’s going very well so far. IMO
Also guy’s don’t let this stuff get to you, things will become very clear in a few weeks.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
“what has gray done in jacksonville? why is he so coveted?”
Because we stink so bad signing a nobody back-up QB causes great hope to wash through the people who want to ignore reality and pray that by osmosis we’ll suddenly be in the playoffs.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
in a perfect world, grey would come in and play like gerrard then trade JR away for a couple draft picks. something tells me this JR does”nt have the mentality to take us to the top, I hope he proves me wrong! Hey Jerry, enjoy yourself breath eazy bud the other Raider blogs are so far from being relavant it’s amazing your family and you deserve your own time! If you need a part time moderator I nominate Oakglen he would seriously bust @ss in here! you might come back to the sound of crickets but everything and everbody would be toeing the line! lol
March 10th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
MADDENRAIDER, are you upset little man, come back no one will hurt you,its ok, just dont whine.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Dude Kiffin is taking care of business. He’s not going to come out to address any of this media-generated hysteria that we have been taken by; he is busy trying to rebuild this team.
Free agency is always a busy period for the coaching staff; I doubt you will see much dillydallying with the media by any HC’s this time of year…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
how many think kiffin will be back next season?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Blackholepriest,
thanks again man,
“…Of course if I hear anything there’s no way I put it in here”,
that gave me a laugh. I understand.
Goodnight to you sir.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
COW, Wow man what’s up with the negativity. Who said Gray was coveted? we heard the news and responded favorably no one said he was Warren Moon. But he would be a very good backup do you agree or not?
Coveted, whats wrong with you?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
COW is a little bitch, he should be Oaked and soon!
Boldin bitches
March 10th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
im dont worry, in AL i trust.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
B916,
I’m with you…Kiffin said after the season that we would attack Free Agency. Well, guess what???
How do we know that Lane isn’t recommending these players, and Al isn’t simply getting the deals done?? Lane has Al’s ear.
Jason Jones reported today that Jamarcus is closer to 260 than 300.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
black, plz lets not start again, remenber today, let be man.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
There is no way that Raiders corporate isn’t aware of all of the fan base angst. The lack of ANY information about what the hell is going on with Kiffin is a great indicator that there are some big problems brewing.
Season ticket deposits are due in 13 days. I love the team, my seats, the fans/friends around them that I’ve gotten to know over the years and just going to the “GAME” 8 times a year, but I’ll be dammed if I’m going to fork over one more dime towards this disaster.
What is Direct TV charging for the Season Ticket package these days? I haven’t had it since the mid-nineties.
Cheers,
Ian
March 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
blakpriest, you from oakland?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Bishop and others. I agreed Kiffin shouldn’t waste time pre-combine addressing issues but when he was THE ONLY NFL HC to show up days late to the combine and to refuse to talk to the media even when Jerry Mac went to him, something is obviously wrong.
Last year he wasn’t “taking care of business” when he was interviewed on NFLN at the combine?
How is it interfering with his work load to talk to Jerry on an elevator ride?
The #1 reason Kiffin himself proved that logic is WRONG:
Kiffin took the time to stop what he was doing and call a reporter to say he wasn”t dancing. But he couldn’t answer questions in the same phone call? That’s nonsense. Kiffin’s actions speak louder than the words of denial on here.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
anyone that lives in oakland is lucky man, you dont want your seats, and im killing my self to save money to come live in oakland, so my family and i can watch these 8 games.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
No prob, I’m just wondering what’s up with COW we’ve suffered the last 5yrs and Kiffin is doing work and everything he hears it’s always a negative reaction.
What would you like him to do COW that would get a postive response other than cowtow to the media? because that my friend aint going to happen.
And if that stops you from buying tickets, Oh well!!
March 10th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I can’t imagine Kiff being back. All this silence has told us that it’s over + nobody’s going to preform well under the circumstance’s that Kiff’s been dealing with. bishop and BHP it must be nice too have such optimism! it must be a religious thing!
March 10th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Insider,
If you’re right about Boldin, we should all bow-down to your greatness (including JMac).
If you’re wrong, admit it!!
Walker, Boldin, & Curry…not too shabby…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
BHP - I quoted the post I was responding to:
“what has gray done in jacksonville? why is he so coveted?”
Thus the quotation marks.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
man you guys all have tickets, yo all are soiled.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Hi Raider Men… great site!
RE: comment # 50
(Yes, an HOUR ago!)
Hey…I agree with you…but can we leave “Days of our Lives” out of it! It’s better than the current raider drama!
Try it!
BTW… is Kiffin REALLY worth his salary?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
here in san diego we have to buy 2 extra chargers tickets with the raider charger ticket, cause farter fans hate us here.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
didnt need to post any comments my name says it all
March 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
True,
Dude, can you even afford a new keyboard?? I think you’re missing some letters, man.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
OK, but you see how stupid that sounds right? We have a starting QB. Gray would bring a guy similar to McCown. And that’s what I think Kiffin is thinking that’s all.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
COW. How are you doing. I don’t think we’ve been formally introduced. I am The Bishop916.
That was a far different circumstance last year; NFLN was asking him about his future with the team, his expectations etc, not requesting that he answer to the drivel that we have been getting so antsy about…
Kiffin has always from what I’ve seen been somehwat candid, and a straightshooter; he is not going to pop off to the media re: hype. The dancing reference was a joke. Get it?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
BHP are you under the impression I don’t want Kiffin back?
My negativity stems from the mounting information that Kiffin will be gone or undermined to the point he can’t continue to fix this franchise.
I refuse to get all elated about back-up QB’s and scrub LBs like Clark if we lose the only coach since Gruden who could lead them.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
TrueRaider,
You are right, those of us with tickets are soiled. Shat on by none other than Al himself.
Cheers,
Ian
March 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
madden raider? raider fans are loyal to their team not bandwagon fans ur fan of one of the other 31 teamz dont knw which one… maybe your roger goodell whoz favorite team was one of the teamz from afc west other than raiders who got whooped by raiders year after year lolz now its ur time to enjoy ur little fun lolzz k have fun for awhile… raiders for the first time had 5 straight losing seasonz… every other team had more than that…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
bro i live in san diego i cant afford S@#$.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
[...] version of the west-coast offense, and to steal a quote from the man who posted this information (Jerry McDonald of Inside Bay Area), he “has experience playing on a team with a run-heavy offense.” [...]
March 10th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Ian go raiders
March 10th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
win - lose or tie raiders till i die
March 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
BHP,
Nobody sucks more than McClown!!! I’m sure Gray can throw the ball over 15 yds…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
proud to be a raider fan never went to someother teamz website & comment never cared for any other team unlike sum other people
March 10th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I’ll be checking in with my ticket rep tomorrow. I’ll let you know what the party line is regarding the HC.
Cheers & goodnight,
Ian
March 10th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Kiffin is biulding the team COW let it go, stop with the paranoia. Get a hold of yourself. Just look at the people were bringing in they are pro his system and he’s keeping the players he wants. I don’t need to hear from him because I see results. Make sense?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
lets talk about the raiders the team- of-the -decades a title no other team can claim— lets talk about the draft we have the 4th pick in this draft… what guyz think lane kiffin goin to do pick c. long gholston, dorsey or trade down?
March 10th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Ian we dont care about u
March 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Bishop - You can check the posts. Pre combine I was of the same attitude you are expressing. I’m sure Kiffin didn’t want to get into that but to take it the extreme he has makes it seem like there is enough truth to the rumors he feels uncomfortable saying, “It’s not true,” or “Don’t believe everything you read.” He said that about dancing. HE MADE THE CALL to address the dancing as untrue but when asked about far more important rumors he clams up? Makes no sense.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Yeah you’re right what I meant was the style is like McCown and Culpepper. Sme if we get could fit the system that’s what I was trying say. He does have a strong accurate arm.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
gholston, dorsey, ellis, or trade down, not over hyped long.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Raiders , Raiders , Raiders
March 10th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
when davidG got hurt last season and the year b4 gray cae in and played good, he is not a great QB otherwise everyone be all over him but for a backup, i cant complain.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
i dont care who they pick as long they pick a player who plays on the Dline & can stop the run
March 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
b4 gray came in….
March 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
COW - that has always been the company line, do not address the media re: team direction. You should know that. The Raiders have never been forthright with info re: what is going on behind the curtain. He is simply towing the company line. Raider fans are expected to tow the sails and ride the storm. In this day and age of 24/7 media speculation, it is harder to accomplish for sure. But it has to be done.
Nothing to see here…
March 10th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
it doesnt matter whoz the next qb we gonna sign , we know whoz the starter going to be
March 10th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
This whole thing isn’t about being a real fan or not. What this is about is does this organization have any coherent strategy about where it’s going? It feels like a ship with no rudder, lots of cash feeding the furnace but we are just drifting aimlessly.
Kiffen could have gotten us on track but my gut says whether he stays or goes, the damage has been done. Al’s driven off more good coaches than some owners see in a lifetime.
Cheers,
Ian
March 10th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Guys I’m sick of watching this team lose. Sick of seeing us glorify guys like Jerry Porter because we have so little talent we glorify anybody who looks the least bit productive.
I saw Kiffin cutting the garbage like Moss, Whitted, and now (maybe) Sims? Saw him put Gallery in a position to succeed. Saw him have long-term plan with guys like JR, Bush and JLH instead of the “reload” garbage of the last five years. I want it to continue so we can WIN!
I hope you guys are right and Kiffin is being alowed to work.
March 10th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Kiffin not being favorable of AW tells me that Gray would replace AW and that also tells me Kiffin is runnin the show.
Like it or not…..period
You people that respond to MaddenRaider and the other derelicts are just as much the problem as they are. If you just cant control yourself just click that X up in the right hand corner and do us all a favor.
thank you drive thru
March 10th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Ian u gave ur oppinion now let me give u my opinion i think every coach al davis has signed was a great pickup but sum coaches take long time some dont & al davis dont have patience
March 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
yea ur right mistabrown
March 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
I’m right there with you COW.
G’night,
March 11th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Stability, mindset, and the ability to get players to play hard. Al is Al. Al is a bandit and a rebel. If you go back in time he made a living on players nobody would touch. I think Kiffin will do a good job. He does not have the personality of a Madden or Gruden, but he has the calm of a Tom Flores. Lets stop talkin and start winning.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Mistabrown, if we sign Grey than you are right. That would seem to be more a Kiffin move than an Al move. Al likes the big armed statue QB cut in the Jeff George mod like AW.
Good point - hope you’re right.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:07 am
# Blackholepriest Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
When the season starts and he leads the team on the field that’s all that matters.
Then what can the media say it’s a mirage.
so real raider fans would trip on this stuff it’s only the insecure ones that do.
I want hear from the coach, well that’s a personal problem aint it?
____________
So, you don’t think that Kiffin’s lack of a comment is any sign whatsoever that something is wrong? Do you find it normal that he hasn’t made a comment yet, about anything, since the FA period began?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:08 am
COW they arent bringing him in to bake cookies..
March 11th, 2008 at 12:09 am
# Dr. Wolfbaum, psychologist Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
so maddenraider if kiffin spoke directly to you, how would that make you feel?
______________________
Great! Where is he? But he doesn’t have to speak directly to me. Just talk to the press. Tell us how he feels about the free agency moves. I mean, these are his players, aren’t they? You’d think he’d have an opinion… Or maybe he’s already been fired for all intents and purposes, and is just waiting for the Raiders to announce it? Can you think of a better reason that he’s been on a milk carton since the FA period began?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I don’t know of much chatter going on around the league. Match taht with the radier elusiveness to the media, and kiffin’s candid nature, - no nothing going on here.
that is just my opinion.
I can’t speak for BHP, but yeah.
I’m not sweating it at all.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Lack of comment means nothing. Jumping into the media game is counter productive. How many comments has the New England coach made.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Anyways, my ability to type properly has left the building.
I said it before but now I mean it;
Goodnight Nation
March 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am
maiden raider jus go to sleep already
lolzz
March 11th, 2008 at 12:12 am
# Dr. Wolfbaum, psychologist Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
speaking of your imaginary friends maddenraider, have you heard from mike nolan or mike shanahan or any other coach regarding the signings?? How about Andy ried not getting the playmakers he wanted. and if you haven’t seen or heard from any of them, how does that make you feel?
_____________
Have those guys not addressed the media, as well? Someone here said that Nolan hasn’t, yet I haven’t seen anything about that. If so, then it’s not good in their instances, either. But as far as I know, they have addressed at least their local presses (in the case of Reid and Shanny, as obviously Nolan is in our market) as of recent.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am
# Alameda Insider Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
MaddenRaider - U love to get Oaked over and over don’t you?
_________________
“oaked”. LOL.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:15 am
GO raiders its all about raiders madden u can keep posting that, sumtimes i wonder if ur the real raider hater & u wrote those articles & ur trying to get publicity by copying & postin everywhere
March 11th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Dangit MR your keeping the Bishop awake here;
I want links. You like links. Post ‘em.
Head coach chatter around the league.
Thanking players, welcoming speeches at the podium, etc. Where their respective teams are headed. Anything.
Just remember, the Raiders have always been tight lipped.
Go man go!
Show me something.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Ian made a good point.We’ll see what happens after the date for season ticket renewals.i’d like to see Kiffin stay but i’m not holding my breath.besides,even if he stays will this be his last year?as soon as there is a college job opening next year,the media will be putting his name out there and Al will be pissed again.in a way it’s kind of funny-Al hates the media but he reacts to all its bs.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Coach on Wheels, as far as I know, blackout rules do apply to Sunday ticket.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:19 am
maddenraider calm down
March 11th, 2008 at 12:19 am
It would be encouraging to have some sign from the team about WTF is going on regarding Kiffin. He came in, took charge and talked about the long term plan. He cut dead weight, found some team players and started to get results.
Despite a three QB shuffle, a two RB tango and season long tinkering with the OL we still won more games than in ‘06, scored twice as many points and lost 6 games by 7 or less.
I was VERY skeptical of the Kiffin hire at first but I waited and watched and he won me over. Sure, lot’s of ugly moments early on. Plenty of QB controversy and early griping but he stuck to his guns, was straight up about his intentions and slowly got us competitive again.
Broke the AFC West losing streak, almost beat the freaking Colts. Players sure seemed to like him.
But now nothing, not a peep out of him or the organization. Sorry, I just can’t believe that Lane, Al & SOB are so happily working together in the FA & pre-draft period that they forgot to tell us everything was cool.
Cheers,
Ian
March 11th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Bishop, I’ve never claimed anything, only expressed my suspicion that Kiffin hasn’t addressed the press at all since the FA period began, along with the other suspicious things that have happened since the season ended, none of them being rumors.
Kiffin did want a new defensive coordinator.
Lofton was hired despite having no connections with Kiffin.
Now, Kiffin is on a milk carton. No statement to the press regarding free agents. No response to reporters’ phone calls.
These statements have already been substantiated with the numerous op eds and reports I’ve been posting.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I was skeptical of Kiffin at first, too, Ian. I’d felt he was some sort of runner up to Sarkision, who rejected the offer. But at the end of the preseason I could see just by some of his press conferences (remember when he used to have those?) and the players he was using that he intended on changing this franchise, not just sitting there while Al pulled his strings. The Denver game is when I was sold on him. Al’s got good contacts, that’s for sure. Too bad he never follows the second part of their advice, and that’s, “Al, you have to let the kid coach the team, too.”
March 11th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Lefty, when is the deadline for renewals?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:25 am
MR-reports were Kiffin did interview Lofton.also,since Kiffin hasn’t talked to the press,there is no real proof he wanted a new DC,although he might have.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am
It’s going to be a crying shame to watch if Kiffin moves on and blows it up somewhere else. I remember that the Cleveland media ran Belichick out of town on a rail after his stint there, and he was an ass—- even then. At least Kiff seems like a decent guy.
Sad.
Enough already.
Good night,
Ian
March 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am
bishop916 Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Dude Kiffin is taking care of business. He’s not going to come out to address any of this media-generated hysteria
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I agree; Never mind the hysteria over the resignation. Kiffin shouldn’t address that. If it’s not true, it’s not true. But why not address our free agent acquisitions? Tell us how he’s going to use them? What types of schemes and formations? 3rd down situations? As the head coach, give us the skinny on our new Raiders. Don’t you find it unusual we haven’t heard a word from him? And, we’ve been shelling out some serious money for these guys.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Substantiated?
Rumors and ‘inside sources’ substantiate nothing.
All of this got started because some guys are so cockheaded that they feel that they can take the liberty to call it like they see it.
Nothing will be substantiated until the next Raider press conference.
Now you said that other coaches have been talking, I wanted to see some proof. Got links?
(*not trying to become argumentative here; just insomnia grrrr) -
I’ll catch you on the flip side.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am
MR,i don’t know,but i believe it’s sometime this month.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Sure I’d like to hear something from our HC or the org. I’d like to attend a practice now and then too, maybe catch some photos or get an autograph or two.
Not gonna happen.
Niters
March 11th, 2008 at 12:32 am
# lefty 12 Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 12:25 am
MR-reports were Kiffin did interview Lofton.also,since Kiffin hasn’t talked to the press,there is no real proof he wanted a new DC,although he might have.
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Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that he told Jerry McDonald back at season’s end that he preferred a Tampa 2 scheme to our man coverage, and expressed interest in one of Tampa Bay’s back ups. Now, firing Ryan, I agree. That was never substantiated. But I do think he talked about wanting a new scheme and at least showed interest, publicly, in one of Tampa’s assistants.
And, the only source I know of regarding Kiffin being the one to actually interview Lofton was the Raiders themselves, and that goes nowhere with me. Kiffin has no connections to Lofton whatsoever, and it makes no sense for Kiffin to hire him as an assistant. It’s also noted that Lofton is a “Davis guy”. He’s always one of the first interviews in our seemingly annual head coaching hunt.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:37 am
MR,have you ever worked for someone who was so vengeful that if you said something they’d throw it back in your face.maybe that’s the way Kiffin feels now-whether it’s true or not.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Bishop, either you’re using sarcasm as a diversion or you are entirely missing the point.
It is perfectly normal for a head coach to address his free agent acquisitions. It is bizarre, on the other hand, for a coach to remain mum on the issue; Not responding to any local reporters.
I don’t know what it all means but it does not mean that all is well and that Kiffin is on board for the future of this franchise, that’s for sure. It’s indicates the exact opposite.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Do you have links?
Or is this going nowhere?
did I hear you say that official press releases re: Kiffin and the Lofton interview / hire were BS?
so what do you want, raider responses that you can tear down, or nothing at all so you can claim the sky is falling?
which is it?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:43 am
lolzz madden raider did kiffin had connections wid cable or knapp ??
March 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am
MR-i believe i read in the Sac.Bee-J.JOnes-that Kiffin and Cable interviewed Lofton.however,you’re probably right that it was Als idea,as Lofton does have Als ear so to say.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Lefty, at this point in the game, I could care less about Kiffin addressing the situation with Davis. I’m already thoroughly convinced they’ve fallen out, anyway. And I probably wouldn’t even believe Kiffin if he said everything was cool, because the statement just isn’t jiving with reality.
Again:
Kiffin expressing his desire for a Tampa 2
Rob Ryan staying.
Lofton being hired, despite having no connections with Kiffin. I could care less that the Raider say that Kiffin was the one that hired him. I believe that about as much as I believed them when they said Art Shell was going to bring back the toughness.
Kiffin having nothing to say since the beginning of our free agency period.
At this point, Lefty, Kiffin could come out with his face painted silver and black, and say that Al Davis is god, and I wouldn’t buy that everything is ok, because the statement just doesn’t jive with the actual timeline of events for both Kiffin and this team since the end of last season.
I know I sound like a broken record, but frankly, so are your guys’ responses to what I’m saying, which seem to be limited to moot points and dry sarcasm. It’s no match for someone who’s merely observing what’s right before his eyes, and forming his opinions based on it.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:48 am
The SacBee is only reporting what the Raiders tell them regarding Kiffin interviewing Lofton. I will never believe it without a freaking surveillance video. Even then I would be skeptical. There is no reason under the sun that Kiffin would hire Lofton. There’s a zillion “wide receiver coaches” he would hire before hiring a noted Davis guy.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:49 am
also on the Lofton thing,after the season Kiffin did say JLH wasn’t given the proper opportunities,so one could assume,as the media always does,that that he was unhappy with the WR coach.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Kiffin expressing his desire for T2 defense was attributed to the fact that Monte Kiffin’s contract was up and ooh wouldn’t it be neat for Son/dad to coach the raiders to greatness. Show me a link or its again another media fallacy.
Who said Rob Ryan was fired? The people on this blog?
The idiots in th booth at the end of the Charger game? Again more media nonsense.
Links to ’substantiate’ or your arguments are worthless.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:50 am
kiffin is example of more work less talk , prove on the field not on the press conference thats why he have not made any statementz since beginning of free agency
March 11th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Bishop, what do you want a link for, specifically? Just tell me, and you’ve got it
March 11th, 2008 at 12:52 am
maddenraider link when kiffin said im going to fire rob ryan
March 11th, 2008 at 12:53 am
- All of the other head coaches talking the ears off of the national/local press
- Kiffin stating that he wanted to replace Rob Ryan
- Kiffin stating that he wanted to go with a T2 defense.
Let’s start there.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:53 am
team of the decades, I don’t think so. We’re talking about him giving a local reporter 2 freaking minutes. Just tell us how he’s going to use his new players. How they will benefit the team. That’s it. That’s perfectly normal, and again, it’s contrarily bizarre when coaches don’t do it. It could easily be considered as an indication that Kiffin either has already been canned, and that the Raiders are just waiting for the right time to make the announcement (season tix?), or that Kiffin is going to stay one final lame duck year and thinks that the FA pick ups are such overpaid garbage that he can’t talk about it. If he has anything positive to say, there’s absolutely no reason for him not to.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:55 am
ok talk to the same reporters who made false statementz of him goin to arkansas? no i dont think so
March 11th, 2008 at 12:56 am
MR,i agree.Lofton is a Davis guy.i also agree that one can’t believe reports put out by the team-kind of like reports put out by the white house press sec.however,regarding J.Jones,his reporting has been accurate and he seems to seek mulitple sources for his reports,so i tend to believe him.i wouldn’t believe it if Kiffin said all is dandy either.all we can really do is wait to see what happens.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Yeah even the hometown team @ ANG (Jerry and Co.) have come up with some pretty elaborate info gained from those ‘close to the situation’ - like how Kiffin was distraught whe he received a call on his cell phone informing him that james Lofton had been hired without his prior knowledge? that was a good one. I would avoid these hacks too. (*turns out he interviewed the guy) - ROFL
Unfortunately they are all we have as far as local day-to-day coverage.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am
what does ROFL stand for?
March 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am
rolling on floor laughing
March 11th, 2008 at 1:02 am
you make a good point about how we’re going to use the newer players.the safety we signed is a free safety-same as Huff.what is the plan for those two?who gets moved to SS.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:04 am
thanx bishop
March 11th, 2008 at 1:07 am
one of the problems for us fans is Davis has alienated the press so bad we can’t believe what they say,but we can’t believe what the Raiders tell us either,that is when they rarely do tell us anything.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:12 am
but that happens all over the league, remember the dude from the Jags was like ‘yeah leftwich is my man’ then fired him the next day or so? Its not a probem indiginous to the raider org.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Bishop, I never said that the other coaches were “talking ears off”. So I don’t have to substantiate that. I only said that Kiffin hasn’t said a word, and said that it is bizarre. Both true, without need of a source.
I also never specifically said that Kiffin wanted to replace Rob Ryan. I said that Kiffin expressed his interest in a Tampa 2 scheme. Obviously, by default this would mean getting rid of Ryan. But don’t misquote me.
As far as the Tampa 2 scheme, and wanting a Tampa assistant, I can’t find it. So, I may have been wrong. I apologize. I could have sworn Jerry said it, but I simply can’t find it. Maybe it was a commenter, and I assumed it was Jerry.
I still believe that considering Kiffin’s pedigree, that the reports about him wanting to fire Ryan are true.
All that withstanding, I still do believe that Kiffin and Davis are on non speaking terms, and that Kiffin has likely already been canned, based on the fact that Kiffin has had no comment whatsoever regarding our free agents. He doesn’t have to talk anyone’s ear off. Just give a comment. We just shelled out a lot of money for some free agents, and the head coach should have something to say about it.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Kiffin is still the head coach
March 11th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I finally found where I read it, but I still concede that Jerry doesn’t exactly say for sure that Kiffin wanted a Cover 2 scheme, and an assistant from Tampa to be his DC here in Oakland, but rather that another journalist reported it.
Here’s the page, and some of the blog entry:
“Now Kiffin has set his sights on the defense. He came to town already skilled in keeping things close to the vest, but enough evidence has seeped out for an educated guess that Kiffin wants to go Cover 2.
Bay Area News Group beat writer Steve Corkran reports Kiffin likes Bucs defensive backs coach Raheem Morris, and it makes sense.”
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/01/page/18/
March 11th, 2008 at 1:27 am
RE: Maddenraider. Does it occur to anyone that it’s possible to be fans of a team (Raiders) and its players and not like the owner (or Coach, or GM) if you don’t think they are doing a good job running the team? Do Niner fans like the Yorks or Nolan? Do Cardinal fans like Bidwell? Do Lions fans like Millen? The answers are: NO, NO and NO. That doesn’t mean they aren’t fans of the their teams. Whats with all this undying devotion to Al Davis anyway? Is he totally devoted to you RAIDER FANS? Didn’t he move the team away for fourteen years? Don’t you think he wouldn’t do it again in a NEW YAWHK MINUTE if he thought it was a good business move? Do you think he moved the team back to Oakland because he missed all you fans, Qwik-Way cheeseburgers, and the Oakland mojo? Don’t think so. Al does everything for Al and the greater glory of Al and HIS Raiders. He doesn’t give a crap what happens to the Raiders after he’s gone from this earth..which is why he wants to win another Superbowl in the next five years. Unfortunately he no longer seems to have a plan on how to do it. So every year is Superbowl or Bust. Mostly Bust for the last five years. You can’t deny that fact. Kiffin seemed t have a plan for the Raiders but Al no longer has any patience for slow but steady improvement. He thinks the Raiders can go from outhouse to penthouse in one year. Yeah, right. Go Raiders! Go Al Davis..to a retirement home!
March 11th, 2008 at 1:27 am
What a bitch it was to find that, too. If you were just trying to get rid of me for a half an hour, Bishop, mission accomplished. LOL.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:30 am
LOL
March 11th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Well put, Steve. You know, I see you’re from Concord. I’m from Sacramento. I think a lot of it has to do with us N. Californians, who have some sort of a connection to the Raiders’ first tenure in Oakland, when people like Ron Wolf were heavily involved and the team won year after year.
N. Cali Raider fans expect winning, and put winning above all else.
I’ve heard people in here say that it’s not about winning, it’s a way of life. Is it just me, or did this attitude start when the team was in LA? It had to have, because that’s when the team started doing poorly. Necessity is the mother of invention, and as the team started playing poorly in LA, so many of the hard core fans had to cling on to something.
This isn’t to bash LA. I love LA, and as a Kings fan, well, let’s face it, we’re outright owned by the Lakers. But I have noticed that a lot of the Davis loyals are from LA, and from out of California altogether. It’s just my hunch that that’s where the Al-is-God culture started. It sure as heck didn’t start in Northern California, that’s for sure.
Al Davis was irrelevant in the ’70s because the team always won. It was all about the players, and Madden. Then the team bolted, and there was so much animosity that while people still rooted for the team, Al Davis was persona non grata. If the team sucked, we sure as heck weren’t going to hold our tongues in honor of big Al.
Just my .02 on the origins of the Davis loyalty, and the teaming up on his critics.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:43 am
yeh al davis god when he took over the team thats when they started winning he hired first hispanic coach first african american coach hired madden when he was only 32 so u think wolf made those decisionz?
March 11th, 2008 at 1:44 am
Jerry says: “enough evidence has seeped out for an educated guess that Kiffin wants to go Cover 2.”
That’s right, Kiffin doesn’t say it. Things supposedly seeps out and JERRY MCDONALD makes an educated guess that Kiffin wants to go to a cover 2. The JERRY MCDONALD makes a guess that Kiffin wants to fire Ryan. The JERRY MCDONALD make a guess that everything is in turmoil and poor wittle kiffin isn’t getting his way.
That’s a lot of the problem around here. People get their information from Jerry McDonald and Jerry has it out for Rob Ryan. I don’t know why, maybe Ryan doesn’t give Jerry the interviews Jerry wants. Maybe Ryan isn’t nice to him. Maybe Ryan doesn’t like to pal around with Jerry in the locker room like Josh McClown does. Why Jerry hates Rob Ryan, I really don’t know.
But go back and read the blogs and the online articles, and all the negativity and speculation about Ryan comes from Jerry McDonald, who has an axe to grind with Ryan. Al Davis hasn’t said anything, Kiffin hasn’t said anything, Rob Ryan hasn’t said anything, the team hasn’t said anything, but we get this constant barrage of negativity that has one source, and that’s Jerry McDonald and his speculation based on whatever he has against Rob Ryan. Go back through the blogs and you’ll see it clear as day. Jerry bends over backward to make excuses for Josh McClown and Kiffin, and always goes out of his way to bash Ryan in some way or direct the blame away from the clown and Kiffin and on to Ryan.
I like Jerry and appreciate his blog and his reporting, but Jerry’s hatred of Rob Ryan is just something you have to live with, and it’s a lot easier to understand what’s going on if you keep that anti-Ryan bias in mind when you read his stuff.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:47 am
well said MR.just like when people bring up how Al values loyality.what a bunch of crap.where was his loyality to the fans who at the time had the longest sell-out streak in the NFL.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:52 am
JM couldn’t dislike RR because his def. is always ranked at the bottom of the league could he?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Pirate, do you honestly believe that Lane Kiffin wants Rob Ryan here? I know he never said anything, and nothing has been substantiated. I’m just asking you your personal opinion. Considering Kiffin’s pedigree (he probably knew the Cover 2 from top to bottom when most kids his age were just learning how to keep score in football), do you believe he wants Ryan?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Lefty, great point. Could the anti-Ryan bias possibly have anything to do with 3 out of 4 failed seasons, including the most recent? It’s just like these people calling critics “haters”.
And, as long as Jerry clarifies that someone reported on Kiffin wanting a new DC, then it’s fair game. By him saying that it’s been reported, with the source being an inside source, that’s enough of a disclaimer. If someone is dumb enough to believe it as truth, that’s their bad (like me. But as I admitted, it was a case of me not paying attention). That’s how it works. Surely, as an adult, you understand how the media works? Why cry about it? If Jerry has falsely reported anything, Al could sue him. Which brings up an interesting point, why hasn’t Al sued for all of these “false” reports? Because he doesn’t believe in lawsuits? HA!!! Obviously not. Because he knows that any and every person remotely connected to the franchise and his decisions will be subpoenaed and will be under oath to give their best and most truthful account of what has transpired? Bingo.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:39 am
MaddenRaider: I would agree that Kiffin probably doesn’t want Ryan. But I don’t believe for a minute that this hall-of-fame owner who has run this franchise his entire adult life gave the keys to the mansion to this 31-year-old kid who has never had a head coaching job and wasn’t even the first choice for the job. I believe he was hired as head coach, but not given total control over all staff and personnel decisions. Most head coaches aren’t given such control.
So to me, I don’t really care whether he wants Ryan or Ryan wants him. Kiffin has a job within an organization. Ryan has a job within the organization. They both need to do their jobs. They don’t have to like each other or agree with each other’s decisions. That’s the way it is in any business.
Where the confusions comes in when people think that because Kiffin was hired as head coach, he de facto should have full and total control over every aspect of the organization. That’s just not the way it works.
To make a further point, I do believe that relations are strained between Davis and Kiffin. I think this is so for two reasons: (1) Kiffin tried to parlay his Raiders gig into the Arkansas job. Anyone who knows Al Davis knows that this kind of disloyalty is not tolerated. (2) Kiffin tried to push Ryan our the door without Davis’ approval. Kiffin badly miscalculated and overstepped his bounds.
So Kiffin either needs to learn to live with the fact that his powers are limited or he can walk and Lofton will become head coach. My guess is Kiffin has learned his lesson and is laying low right now.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:55 am
OK, Pirate.
So let’s review:
Jerry doesn’t believe Kiffin wants Ryan.
The entire press doesn’t believe Kiffin wants Ryan.
Most fans dont’ believe Kiffin wants Ryan.
And now you reveal that you don’t believe Kiffin wants Ryan.
Now I have to ask then, what is your point of refuting Jerry’s reporting, when you agree with him? Jerry never comes out and says it is what it is. He just says that it looks like Kiffin wants a cover 2. Now, you’re saying that’s likely, too.
Are you sure it’s not YOU who has the ax to grind with Jerry, for whatever reason?
As far as why Kiffin and Davis are at odds, I don’t care, Pirate. I care about winning. Everything else is BS, and that includes Al and his fragile ego. Lane was disloyal? I don’t care. If he can help us win, Al should do everything within his power to keep him here. End of story. You’re not going to get me to direct any of my sympathy toward Al Davis because some kid tried to parlay his Raider job into another gig. That’s how it works. Ask anyone in the Valley family…
Raiders winning. Nothing else matters to me.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 am
And btw, it’s refreshing to hear a Davis apologist say that Kiffin wasn’t the first choice a year ago, because that wasn’t the tune you guys were singing then. In fact, you guys were accusing the press of making that up, too.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:04 am
yeah rite ! like what diff does it make !
kiff stays / goes!it all gets back to ryan as def cord!
with him & his cronies we are 3-13 again! with a 32nd ranked rush def no sacks!! etc!!!!
if AL, 86s’ ryan & cronies!
( martingadle & maybe millard who ive always liked , but cant trust rite now)
then we go 10-6 minmally, but most likely 13-3 !
WITH A TOP 3 DEFENSE! AND A 1ST RANKED RUSH OFF!
but nevertheless kiffy ruined that for us! by lying to al @ first intview about getting his dad here , then trying to FLEE THE SCENE OF THE CRIME TO ARKANSAS ETC! THEN LYING ABOUT IT AGAIN!!TO AL DAVIS!!!1 OK SO WITH LONG DORSEY ELLIS ETC ! IT MAKES NO DIFFERNCE!!!
OH P.S. RUMOR HAS IT THAT RYAN THINKS GIBRIL WILSON WILL MAKE A GOOD ” MIDDLE LBR !”" ” HELL, ITS’ A MISMATCH ,HIS SPEED IN THE BOX , YOU CANT BLOCK HIM,IT’S A MISMATCH”
ALSO HE WILL THEN PLAY CHRIS LONG @ S.S.OR WOLVERINE, OR BETTER OLBR’ IN THE 4-3,
LIKE HE LOVES DOING WITH UPRITE DEF ENDS!SO MUCH!! “HELL IT’S A MISMATCH , 280LBS @ SAFTEY !THE OFFENSE DONT EXPECT IT , IT’S MISMATCH”"
SO LIKE B4 TILL NOW, HUFF @ S.S., BURGESS @ SDE, KELLY @ NOSEGUARD& W.D.E, BING @ MLBR’, FABIAN AS A RUN SUPPORTING S.C.B!!
SOON WE’LL HAVE THE LONG @S.S.,GIBRIL @ MLBR , “DUAL ROLE MLBR/S.S. SYSTEM!!!BROUGHT TO YOU BY ROBRYAN!!!
CANT WAIT TILL 08 BABY JUST TO SEE HIM WRECK ANOTHER BUNCH OF GREAT PLAYERS’FUTURES!!!
THIS IS WHAT HE IS REALLY GOOOD AT KEEPING THE NFLS’ CAP DOWN FOR SOME PLAYERS!!! ” HELL IT’S A MISMATCH”
March 11th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Jerry dont lie, everyone knows that your only responsibility in life is to report every rumor, half truth and pure conjecture that is floated in the air about our Raiders. You are not allowed to eat, sleep, play golf, or enjoy any form of entertainment whatsoever. You must simply give us what we want everyday. As a great man once said “here we are now, entertain us”
Keep up the stellar work man.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:30 am
I am more convinced now that the out-of-control people who keep posting tlme after time after time are not RAIDER FANS at all.They’re off the chain with their obsession with our Raiders and our Coach.They post here day after day after day continuously with their nonsense abour OUR RAIDERS.Thats it,DISCHARGER FANS in disguise on our BLOG trying to cause any trouble that they can.Their team,fans,and blogs are boring so why not f%ck with the enemy on one of their most popular sites.Looks like another year without a SUPER BOWL for the DISCHARGERETTES.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:49 am
Folks, I usually enjoy reading the discussions here. But any chance we can keep it to discussions … and not dropping and pasting full text articles? Especially when it’s the same ones every day, all out of date, all negative, and all the disturbing turmoil speculation that we all already know about anyway? I don’t get why this needs to be posted and reposted every day. It kills any actual discussion. And when those get going, I usually get alot out of the debates.
On another topic:
So Jerry, are you hearing any word about Drew Carter? Danny Clark? Assorted disgruntled FA cornerbacks?
March 11th, 2008 at 5:59 am
Lol, have you guys been misbehaving in here? Naughty, naughty!
Why do you guys keep responding to the fraud (MR)? He just keeps saying the same thing over and over. He obviously suffers from palilalia. Just ignore him and he will lose it, then we can sit back and laugh at his hysterics. By responding to him you are just encouraging the fraud.
Well, I guess since he is a fraud he would probably just create new personas to respond to himself, lol. What a loser. Get a job or a life fraud boy.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Vegas odds put the Raiders at 100/1 on winning the SB.
Tempting to put down $1000 on that. Not that I am expecting a SB win or even Playoffs.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:04 am
I agree Gray would be a good move, but even if Walter stays. We do need 2 backups don’t we? Culpepper may not be getting the FA starter attention he’d hoped for, and if he’s going to be a backup, why not with the team who’s playbook and system he now knows? I wouldn’t mind seeing him stick around. Frerotte may be a journeyman, but he has done well in many places. He was a decent starter in Miami, won repeatedly as a backup in Minnesota (getting the team in the playoffs, much like Todd Collins did in DC last year), and was ok with the Rams, but decimated b/c of their horrid O-line. Anyway, he also strikes me as a solid vet QB.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Thx Dakota,
Now we will probably have to put up with pastes on “palilalia”.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:06 am
All this attention on backup QB’s makes me wonder if JR is not going to be ready to play. Walter is fine as a backup so unless they plan on trading him, I don’t see why they are interviewing backups.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:11 am
I figured I’d beat him to the paste.
Palilalia is the repetition or echoing of one’s own spoken words,[1] and may sound like stuttering. It is a complex tic, like echolalia and coprolalia.[2] All can be symptoms of Tourette syndrome,[3] Asperger syndrome,[4] or autism.[5]
March 11th, 2008 at 6:17 am
OK Kids here’s your early morning public service announcement. If you skip over all the MR posts you can get through this blog in half the time, maybe quicker. When a fire runs out of fuel it just turns to smoke and the wind blows it away and skies are blue!
Since I was a little boy back in the 60’s there has been little or no info. It’s the Raider way! Same owner, same process. You run your head into the wall over and over and you might end up with a headache.
When you see it on the field there is your reality, otherwise it’s all guessing, Right BHP? This place has been turned into mind f#$@ by some, now you all do yourself a favor and skip MR posts and you’ll feel a lot more optimistic. Ahhhh, I do!
A new day dawning for the Silver and Black and it will be fun again to see them on the field and out of the bloggers imagination.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:34 am
I tried to watch the NFL channel’s Raidersvs Pack after Breit’s dad died. Javon Walker look great or I should say was made to look great by Bucannon & Dorsett. The 2nd play for the Raiders, the refs call a phantom hold, what a suprise, huh?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Jerry thank you for the updates I look forward to read them daily. I apologize for the idiots that waste everyone’s with copy and pase BS.
Keep up the good work Jerry. Enjoy life and your family.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:39 am
http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21521.html
Gee, I kind of thought the Oakland Raiders were doing an excellent job in the offseason, but everywhere I turn, in sports pages virtual or actual, the silver and black front office is getting slagged off for its extravagance. Maybe Raider Nation is onto something here: Maybe it really is them against the world.
EAt that Maddenraiderhater.
While other outlets blast the seemingly headless Raiders for throwing money around, it says here that Davis paid going rate for most of these guys and played it straight-up shrewdly most of the time.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Hey Jerry see if you can find out what is JR’s weight. Someone with his number should just call him and ask.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:03 am
Looks like JJ is no longer interested in giving up the 2 1st’s and another player to trade up in the draft.
http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=79E0FA8D995C5A2B5E4B907DABCA2226?videoId=09000d5d80722bf6
If he is looking for a back-up to Barber, he might be looking at Shaun Alexander.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Man, that maddenraider is one pathetic LOSER.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:23 am
Mayock has the Raiders taking Gholston and leaving C. Long for the Jets at 6. How could anyone think Al would pick someone other than Howie’s boy if he was available? Especially at the same possition.
Mayock doesn’t even have C. Long on this Top Ten! Either Mayock is that dumb, he is mad at the Raiders for not giving him a job last year, or he is trying to talk down C. Long per Al’s orders to make sure he is available at 4.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Lane’s last name is KIFFIN, not KIFFEN….
March 11th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Anybone else notice the picture of Schwag trying to “tackle” Javon Walker on sfgate.com:
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/03/05/sp-298×232-raiders13.jpg
March 11th, 2008 at 7:34 am
That was meant to say “anybody” else
March 11th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Nice ATL, not only is Stu missing the tackle in that picture, he is also throwing a nice block to spring Walker for more YAC, lol. At least his days of starting are over.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Marcus was doing O.J.’s wife as well.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:38 am
In Jerry’s defense, it’s not like we all pay Jerry to post his blog. If he wants to he can stop doing it altogether. It must be frustrtating for him to put his blog up only to be trashed by us so often about one thing or another, but at least he keeps putting it up. And we keep reading it. Thanks, Jerry.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Sounds like McFadden and Marcus have a lot in common…Al Davis better hide all his women if he drafts “McDadden”.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Dakota,
Yeah, Schwag is throwing a nice block on Nnamdi to spring Walker for more yardage! Nice work Stu!
March 11th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Jerry,
Thanks for hosting the blog! It’s too bad that Losers like “maddenraider” and “alameda insider” have to mess things up sometimes.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Jerry,
Thx. LOL
March 11th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Are the Raiders are on an upswing?
McCown - Russell - upgrade
Jordan - Fargas and Bush - upgrade
Sweigert - Wilson - upgrade
Sapp - Dorsey, Ellis, Long - upgrade
Many question marks though…Kiffin, Harris, Walker, etc…
March 11th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Kirk,
Huff & Wilson could be considered an upgrade at safety.
Don’t EVER put the name “Schwiegert” and “upgrade” in the same sentance.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:58 am
ATL, I think Kirk meant that they guys on the left have been replaced by the guys on the right, so he is not saying Stu is an upgrade…correct me if I am wrong Kirk.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:00 am
My thoughts…If Kiffin was leaving and I wish he was, he would have been gone by now. HCs come and go under AD, My beef with AD is the mess he let the “O” line and “D” line become and how much real money he is giving away to FA in the skill positions. I wish he would spend all his high draft picks on the lines and the low picks on the skill positions. At least until we had more All Pros on the lines than any other organization. We would save money and win like the old days.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Dolphins leaning toward Ryan?
Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan and Michigan tackle Jake Long share the same representation, and the Dolphins so far have inquired far more about Ryan, although we are cautioned not to draw any conclusions. The Dolphins requested a private interview with Ryan after BC’s March 18 Pro Day.
–Oh, happy day, Chris Long here we come.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Morning All.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Changing Head Coaches this late in the offseason would be a disaster. Plus, who would replace Kiffin…Lofton, Ryan or Denny Green? That would be worse than bringing Art Shell back.
We need some stability at the head coaching position.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Hopefully Kiffin will be let go sooner then later,..its already too late obviously. Kiffin never was head coaching material but Al had nobody else who would take the job…now that Lofton is there its only a matter of time…Kiffin sucks anyway, the players dont even like him…hes a shut-in, a mealy mouthed little girl,…he doesnt belong in the NFL.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Heres a change from the crap.
Fargas in High School.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jhBcd1th3po&feature=related
March 11th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Dakota/ Kirk,
Gotcha. Gibril Wilson..yes, is a major upgrade over His Schwagness.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:10 am
ATLRaider…no doubt but it will not take long for Lofton or one of the other coaches locked in. People who are smart enough to operate within AD’s parameters, Kiffin isn’t.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:12 am
Al can’t keep changing head coaches and expect to win. Plus, he has just about drained all the options of coaches that would actually come to Oakland.
Most coaches in their right mind would prefer not to work for Al Davis. We could never reel in a coach like Bill Cowher.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:22 am
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/teams/teampdanalysis.php?teamid=23
I like this site, though it costs money for the premium service
March 11th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Draft
1. Gholston
2. Laws
4. Will Franklin WR or Jonathon Goff ILB
March 11th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Alternate draft
1. Clady, after trading down for additional picks
2. Laws
3. Franklin
March 11th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Hobs Gnarly…good site but its getting harder to read up without having to pay now days. How Great Blue North? What I liked about them as they would always give the heads up on those players to watch out for in the bowl games and good info on the PRO days. Although they were not up to speed in that light this year.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:39 am
…….Get a Life MaddenRaider, cut and paste Boy!!1
March 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Julius Peppers is available, I’d love to see him sacking Rivers. He’s good for a turnover every 3rd game & he’s only 29.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Clady ran a 5.20 and 5.27 40 at his pro day. I am concerned about his speed at the pro level.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Stuart Schwiegert’s legacy - the missed tackle:
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/03/05/sp-298×232-raiders13.jpg
March 11th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I think the Raiders’ best chance of trading down in the draft is with the NY Jets @ #6. The Cowgirls would never trade all the way up to #4 for McFadden, it would simply cost way too much. They have been on the receiving side of such a trade (H. Walker) and they do not intend on making the same mistake the Viqueens made in giving up way too much for one player.
The Jets on the other hand, could probably move up to #4 by giving us a 3rd rounder this year and a 3rd rounder next year, and maybe a LB or DT. Raiders could then pick one of the 4 d-lineman that is sure to fall to #6 and land a decent player at the top of round 3.
I doubt it will happen, and frankly, I hope it does not happen. I think passing on McFadden will be a huge mistake that Raider fans everywhere will regret for years to come.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Dakota, the reason so many mock drafts have the Raiders taking Mcfad is that it would be a stupid thing to do as they don’t need another running back.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Dakota,
Not taking McFad would be like not taking Babe Ruth because you had enough outfielders!
March 11th, 2008 at 8:51 am
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/03/05/sp-298×232-raiders13.jpg
March 11th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Hobs
Portland didn’t NEED Michael Jordan either. That turned out well for them didn’t it? McFadden is going to be a stud RB in the NFL. The only player I think we should pass on McFadden for would be Chris Long. But if your choice is McFadden or Gholston/Ellis/Dorsey/J. Long, you better pick the guy that has the potential to be a game changing offensive weapon.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:09 am
With his great Pro Day workout it looks like Gholston now has the edge on C. Long. I still say J. Long for either end of the line and then go “D” line in the 2nd and J. Nelson in the 4th if he is still around.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:11 am
For people that use Firefox, you can use a script that
RaiderMight made that filters out specific people. He posted a link in this http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/02/17/pre-combine-notebook/ entry. It is really easy to use and once you install it you can easily remove MR/AI and all his other troll alias names. It also lets you highlight the excellent posters here so you don’t miss their incite. Hopefully at some point there will be actual logins and user moderation added to this site, so we can self police some of the children. Either that or publicly list the posters IP so the more technically oriented viewers can self police.
Thanks RaiderMight, the only way I see that there were trolls is when they make a new alias or people respond to them.
Please don’t feed the trolls.
As for the backup QB, I figured the Raiders would bring in a undrafted or very late round draft QB and keep Walter.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:12 am
He has a tendency to go down first touch in college, how do you think he will fair in the NFL.
MJ could have been a product of his environment, whose to say he goes to Portland and is an All Star who never wins a ring?
Don’t look now but the Rockets are shooting. Your Lakers won’t smell finals, but this is my prediction. Jazz over Pistons
March 11th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Badmoodguy
Half the fun of this blog is arguing with people, MR and AI don’t bother me one bit, I enjoy going mano y mano with anyone. Why have a moderator?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am
ExLA, exactly. Hmmm, we could feature Justin Fargas and his paltry couple of TDs per season, or we could place McFadden in a great running system and watch him change the way defenses have to defend us, thereby taking pressure off of our “rookie” QB and scoring more TDs thereby taking pressure off of our defense.
Or, we could draft Ellis or Dorsey and hope that one of those midgets can somehow hold their own against 6′6″ o-linemen in the NFL…
Easy decision…Draft McFadden!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=201386
Did he play for the Raiders at one point or am I confusing him with someone else? If he did, does he have some insight?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:18 am
McFadden will be another Maurice Clarrett trust me or that RB from the Rams that busted, can’t remember his name
March 11th, 2008 at 9:20 am
MJ a product of his environment? MJ would have been a superstar anywhere, and a champion. Or did we forget N. Carolina. What a waste for Portland, Sam Bowie
March 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Dakota…DMac has one speed and one direction, he will look a lot slower in the NFL. The Raiders do not need to pay him millions when he is not the best RB in the draft and certainly not a need.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
For most of the past college season McDaddy wasn’t even the premier RB on his own team.
An RB drafted for 25 mil has to be able to carry the load, 25-30 times per game. Never happen with him.
Linemen on both sides of the ball should remain the focus.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Look we already got a guy that compares to McFADden and we know what we are getting. Someone just hitting their stride who is tough. Justin Fargas take a look.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/combineleaders.php?genpos=RB&sortorder=comforty&order=ASC
March 11th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Ex that was a question by me. Who really knows if he would have won all those championships had he been drafted by another team. Its speculation by me that’s all. He was always going to be a All Star but if he never met Jackson and crew would he be legendary, that is all the question I ask.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Come on Mad Dog and M, both of you are dead wrong. Look at stats and video before making statements like those.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Dakota take a look at 275, Fargas was virtually the same thing, only bigger and stronger.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Jerry,
You mean there’s life away from football and the internet??? You mean I can walk away from this computer, from this website and go out and get some sunshine, get some fresh air, eat out? You’ve inspired me Jerry!
I just hope I’m ready for the outside world! =P
March 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am
“Half the fun of this blog is arguing with people, MR and AI don’t bother me one bit, I enjoy going mano y mano with anyone. Why have a moderator?”
Hey Hobs, AI & MR are the same person. They don’t provide any use here, and copy and paste stupid articles and nonsense every day.
It would be nice to see them “removed” from the board.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:28 am
This years draft reminds me alot of the 2001 draft.
2001 Top 5 2008 possible Top 5
Michael Vick - Matt Ryan
Leonard Davis - Jake Long
Gerard Warren - Glenn Dorsey
Justin Smith - Chris Long
Ladanian Tomlinson - Darren McFadden
Not to say D-Mac is the next LT, but, he is a verry explosive player who can do it all. Run, catch, and pass. He is a game changer, that if nothing else will bring excitement. Plus, I’d prefer to swing and miss rather then sit and watch a perfect pitch go by.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Hobs,
You’re right. Whose to say whether Babe Ruth would have accomplished the same in beantown. Maybe he would have remained the best pitcher in the A.L. We can only go by results.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
M,
07-08 Rushing Statistics
NAME CAR YDS YPC LONG TD
Darren McFadden 325 1830 5.6 80 16
Felix Jones 133 1162 8.7 73 11
Still think McFadden was not the featured back?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Nah, c’mon they are harmless and I don’t advocate cenorship. Just skip their posts if you don’t like them but give them freedom to speak their thoughts like the free nation we are
March 11th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Dakota…I was convinced by Mike Mayock when he illustrated his video analysis of the top RBs. Mendenhall was a clear favorite with me and watching DMac get owned by a linebacker when one on one in the open field was more proof that DMac is too one dimensional.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Hobs….Yeah not many know JF ran a 4.35 at the combine and I have often laughed at people posting about him being a slow back.I also don’t think it is a one year fluke as he was running well in 2006…The team just had morons calling the plays….There were two games late in the season where JF had 80 and 90 yards before half time and then got 2 or 3 carries in the second half….That’s on the coaches.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:32 am
JF is a stud whose been buried under bad coaches. He was being put to good use his first year until he had some untimely fumbles.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Dakota,
I acknowledge your expertise on all things McFadden. I simply don’t believe for a second that he is the best RB coming out of college.
Scenario; Most other teams hate on Oaktown. A 25 mil. RB not known for withstanding punishment is targeted each time he touches the ball. Oops, fumble, oops carted off.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:34 am
yeah EX that’s right. But I was only commenting on Dakota’s #264 posting.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:36 am
i dont know why arguments at work between coach and owner are so abnormal– In most workplaces where the owner and employees are in the same building- there is often friction when things arent perfect- and things are never perfect…. big deal- its not like th epeople posting here havent been yelled at by bosses before- its kind of cool to have Al yell at Kiffin a bit and make him realize his mistakes– I think Als helping kiffin grow up and be reasonable- for all of your guys backing Kiffin- i still am not sure he has what it takes to be a great head coach- Noone can explain the whole stupid McCown fiasco to me and make kiffin look even hlf way professional-
March 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Guys,
If you think Justin Fargas is half the back McFadden is, or will be in the NFL, well good for you. The Justin Fargas I have witnessed in the past 5 years in the NFL is a running back that can’t change direction, rarely scores TDs, can’t take it to the house from distance, can’t catch and can’t stay on the field due to health concerns…
But I am sure McFadden will be much worse, lmfao!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
It would be a God Send and/or Miracle if Chris Long falls at us #4
March 11th, 2008 at 9:42 am
If HCs are the deemed lords of the NFL universe, why has not even a single one ever been able to win a Super Bowl with two different teams? If head coaches are such geniuses why don’t trophies just follow them wherever they go? Could it have something to do with the players on the field?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:43 am
MIA,
Chris Long will be the best player coming out of this draft. I hope people keep drinking the Gholston juice and someone picks him in the top three, hopefully, allowing Chris Long to drop to us @ number 4. Chris Long’s intensity and work ethic combined with his crazy skills gives him the best shot at being the HOF player coming out of this draft.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Dakota,
The Huggy Bear Jr - Crash Test Dummy won’t last long. What makes you think that DMc will?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:44 am
The media is a big joke… bart giammatti- first day at Yale- told us that most of the stuff we read is made up- and what we see is very biased both by inclusion and exclusion…. going back to plato— democracy only works if there are two ingredients: an intelligent ethical electorate, and free and fair information—- we are not even close to perfect on these– and are essentially brainwashed for commercial purposes— everyone needs an enemy— distracts from real problems— if there isnt a real threat- well make one up— the media is the agent of disinformation as well as information– the more we worry about Al Davis- the more they have been successfull at preventing us from questioning what we are buying and doing- Al is likely one of the most sane persons around- i would rather the world was run by Al than any of these reporters–anyway i forgot what i was saying—–
March 11th, 2008 at 9:46 am
McFadden is a better athlete by far. His best attribute is his vision, he see’s the hole and hits it hard.
McFadden or Gholston will be fine at #4.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am
oh yeah- I think Chris Long would be awesome in silver and black for a decade, whereas VG might be the next coming of shawn merriman or might get fat and lazy…
March 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Dakota,
I feel that Fargus is a good back. But after 5 years, last year was as good as he is going to get. RB’s do not take 5 yrs to develop. Hell, he’s already qualified for his NFL pension as a 5 yr man. Your concerns about him are valid. Time for McFad if available.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Speaking of the QBs…JJ from the SacBee says a close friend to JR says JR is around 260 not the reported 300lbs. What is the deal with Andrew Walter? He has to be an AD favorite and I still think Kiffin made a huge mistake forcing him to the rear.
Drray…I agree but a first year guy (Kiffin) being disagreeable with the boss is not very intelligent. It takes a special guy to succeed as HC in the NFL and a humble guy to work with AD. Kiffin does not appear to be either.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:50 am
JAZZ & PISTONS i like that JAZZ in 5 though
March 11th, 2008 at 9:50 am
i agree mad road dog - i think kiffin is insecure and bluffing
March 11th, 2008 at 9:51 am
What happened to where everyone is now pulling for Gholston to be picked? I like him, but the things we don’t know about Gholston are safe for the other top picks in the draft. I mean, we know he had a great combine, but that is only 20% of the evaluation process. I have yet to see any film study done on this guy, as to how he can perform on the field. I know Ellis, Dorsey, Long, Long, and McFadden all have the tape to back up their performances at the combine, just not sure with Gholston.
If his tape shows that he is amazing, then he would be a great pick, but I won’t reward a guy more than 10 spots in the entire draft for having a good combine(neither will the common GM), regardless of position. So in example, if Gholston was #20 overall, he would now be #10 at best. Just want to see more on this guy before I can justify the pick. 80% of the evaluation came from September to December. What did he do then is my real question, I honestly do not know the answer, he is the mystery guy. Anyone with something, please post.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:51 am
as i said yesterday…..picking up Gray would be a solid move.
My Raider big board…
1. Gholston
2. C Long
3. McFadden
4. Dorsey
March 11th, 2008 at 9:54 am
loadyz,
in regards to gholston….go to you tube and see as many highlights you can of him if didn’t see any Ohio St games this year.
Lets just say he has upside.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:55 am
M,
You never can predict injuries, but we all know Fargas is injury prone. McFadden, as far as I know, never missed significant time at Ark due to injury. It is not definitive evidence, but it sure is persuasive evidence that “McDadden” will suffer fewer injuries in the NFL than Fargas has or will.
The fumbles and the babies are McDadden’s only concerns. The former can be coached out, the latter might have to be addressed via a surgical procedure.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Morning
What´s this nonesense about Kiffin not having known connections to Lofton?.
As someone pointed out earlier, neither did Greg Knapp and Tom Cable. In fact, Knapp´s only tie with anyone on the Raiders would be the HC interview Davis gave him back in 04.
In the remote event, just because you can never say never, that Kiffin is not with the Raiders in 08, my guess would be that Knapp becomes the HC, Davis said he wants a play-caller at the helm and Lofton has never done it.
Oh and the source for the Kiffin-Knapp-Lofton interview was originally Steve Corkran, not the team. If Lofton was forced on Kiffin, why bother to get them togheter for an interview? Just tell him Lofton is in, deal with it.
But I guess only negative reports are to be taken seriously.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Good to here that JaMarcus hasn’t been hangin’ with Colonel Sanders at KFC like they were reporting
March 11th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Gholston had 14 sacks as a junior CLong also had 14 but he is a senior Gholston handled Jlong the only sack JLong gave up all year
March 11th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Gholston went by JLong so fast he had whiplash and burns on his hand from trying stop him!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I hate the media driven combine, because we all forget who can actually play football when the 40’s and drills are run. If a guy shows up on tape, he will show up on the field, that is just how it works. Gallery happened to have a great combine, look where that got us. Just my rant, but I hate when the combine is the decide all. Give me a guy who never drops a pass and runs good routes, and only puts up a 4.55 in the forty, over a dropsy, lousy route runner with a 4.3 forty anyday.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:01 am
ATL, do you have some info on Russell and his weight? Please share, or did I miss a post somewhere?
I just keep picturing John Hot Plate Williams of the NBA when thinking of Jamarcus and his off-season eating habits.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Gholston fights off blocks and gets to the ball carrier 24 tackles behind the line last year that is a beast
March 11th, 2008 at 10:02 am
R8DR4LFE 75 Jazz in 4!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Loady, the tell on Gallery was that he only bench pressed 24 reps. Weaka$$
March 11th, 2008 at 10:04 am
gotta go, back laters
March 11th, 2008 at 10:06 am
I heard in january that JRUSS was still in town working out and watching game film with Knapp cant remember who said it sorry
March 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Oh and Al, give the nation Quinn Gray please! While you are at it, dump Walter and Washington for Deangelo Hall, as another blogger had suggested in a seperate blog. I love the ring of that, Hall and Asomugha, damn that sonds good. So Al, please bless us with 2 more gifts before the draft. See you tommorrow nation, I am out.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Dakota,
Jason Jones of the SacBee talked with someone who knows JRuss. Said all the CNN/SI crap was fictitious.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am
That sounds o.k. to me HOBS darren williams M.V.P of the finals he will show he deserved to be an allstar over CHRIS PAUL
March 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
D Hall wants a big contract before he signs with another team that will hurt as we need to sign Nhamdi first and that wont come cheap but it sounds good if we can do it
March 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Ok, looked at comments on Gholston, sounds good. If he plays with his hand on the ground for the majority of those stats you guys have mentioned, then he is worth it. I know Jake Long only gave up 2 sacks his entire college career, and I am hearing HERE that Gholston was one of them. If that is the case, I am onboard, he has proven me worthy.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Watch Gholstons arm strength
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0AyWLtterFA
March 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Let me tell you boys straight up: DAUNTE HALL IS OVERRATED!! Big time!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:12 am
loady,
another thing that the old man and his scouts screwed up on with gallery is disregarding his arm length.
He has short alligator arms and for a supposed LT…that is a huge no-no.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:13 am
From sacbee.com:
March 10, 2008
Odds and ends
For a team that was 4-12 in 2007, the Raiders continue to generate a lot of rumors and fodder for jokes.
The latest is rumors JaMarcus Russell is tipping the scale at 300 pounds.
I spoke with someone close to Russell that said that’s not true and that Russell is a lot closer to the 260 pounds or so he finished the season at than anywhere near 300.
*I caught Def Comedy Jam after watching the series finale of The Wire. Even D.L. Hughley had jokes about the Raiders.
Imagine how much talk the team would generate with a winning record.
*I attended part of the Commitment to Excellence dinner and spoke with Justin Fargas, the 2007 season winner.
He’s in good shape and ready to join his teammates for the offseason program later this month.
Fargas is also starting a scholarship program to send deserving students to his old high school, Notre Dame High in Sherman Oaks, Calif.
(Note: Great athletes can get a great education for free at Long Beach Poly. Yes, that was a shameless plug).
A lot of critics have ripped the Raiders’ signing of Fargas, but I think it was a good decision. He’s had injury problems in the past, but he sprained his knee last season and isn’t coming off surgery.
I don’t think a sprained knee is cause for concern like a torn ACL would be.
*Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was in attendance sporting his new haircut. His hair no longer is all the way on his shoulders, but should grow back in time for training camp.
*New WR coach James Lofton is still in good shape. I hear he used to run routes with the receivers in San Diego.
–Jason Jones
March 11th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Yeah woodson was overrated when he was here now look a new start dude should have made the pro bowl
March 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am
There we go, resign Lofton at WR.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am
By the way…this blog is under attack.
The fraud known as MaddenRaider can´t deal with the fact that he´s been exposed, mocked and humilliated many times.
He lost his last shred of credibility when he was called for posting under several nicknames, he issued a strong denial and when prove was presented, he tried to downplay it.
He went down in flames and is now triyng to ruin this fine blog for everyone else.
There is a reason he was banned from another blog and we are all getting to witness why. He´s out of control now and who knows how many new aliases and what kind of garbage to spew he´s come up with.
It´s funny, pathetic and creepy all at once.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Hobs,
Your right about the bench, I forgot about that part. I was going off the fact that he put up a ridiculous 3 cone and shuttle for a 325 pound guy. 24 is weak as hell, that puts him inline with this years Chris Williams or Ryan Clady who are both weak. I think these 2 will be guards in the NFl, yet every analyst thinks OT is deep in this draft, not me, I think the OL is deep, not OT.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I´ll see you later, don´t let this petty maniac ruin it for the rest of us!.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Gholston is an Al Davis kind of guy.A freak of nature to much upside to let him slip away if he’s there take him dont wait the 15 minutes to say his name as soon as we are on the clock just take him
March 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Loadz53,
Gholston is right behind Long as far as the DE position IMO. He had the same amount of sacks as Chris Long and blasted through Jake Long permitting his only sack. He actually rammed through Jake Long and the Fullback (pretty impressive). His only supposed flaw according to Mayock is he is not as strong against the run but what Mayock did not mention is he had over 30 tackles for losses!
I would rather have Chris Long simply for the Legacy in his blood and I love his High Motor. His character is the unquestioned best in the draft class and believe he would be a pro bowl caliber DE for years to come. I would be happy with either DE hoping for Chris Long first.
I just never believed he would fall to us at #4. The wildcard I believe is Matt Ryan being selected by the Falcons or Dolphins. I am crossing my fingers for him to excel and impress at this Pro Day in exactly a week.
We need him to be picked before our pick for us to have any chance in landing either prized DE. If both are chosen I think we need to explore choosing Dorsey (if his injury isnt as serious as expected), I just have a feeling he is going to be another Alan Branch. DMAC as he does not fit a NEED still is very intriguing if we can peddle one of our RB maybe for a second day pick, otherwise I believe we need to draft Defense in round one and a stud WR in round 2 simply given the nack for Curry and Walker being prone to injury.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Mayock say’s Gholston sometimes gets caught playing to high thats when he does not get pressure that was on rare occasions
March 11th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Hobs,
Yeah I remember the arm length, that was debated to death when he was picked. But when we look at it from the present, we drafted a guard, not a tackle. We drafted a #2 overall guard (like Williams and Clady will be). I like the clip on Gholston, shows what I needed to see with strength on the field in pads. Yeah it is one play, but if his character is good, he will play like that every play. You can watch Chris Long all day, and never will you see him give up mentally or use bad technique. Some things are teachable, but effort is not. So I am onbaoard with Gholston, thanks for the video and comments. I actually watch alot on the prospects, just have not seen anything on Gholston in particular. Again, thanks.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Only 46 Days to the Draft! Woo-hoo!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Gholston seems like a humble person but when those pads come on he is a man amongst boys he will demand double teams but by the time teams realize it he will be in his second year so that would mean Drookie of the year
March 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
So back to last week i mentioned trading fabian and a draft pick to the colts for Anthony Gonzales they wont be able to afford him with HARRISON,CLARK,MANNING,WAYNE,FREENEY,SANDERS that is a whole lot of money
March 11th, 2008 at 10:44 am
raider4life,
Only 10 minutes in between picks now.
THANK GOD! hahaha
March 11th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Loady,
I like Jake Long for his strength but he doesn’t have great footwork and hasn’t been in a zone system I don’t believe. I like Clady because he is perfect for zone system, very athletic for a big guy. If we are running a zone system take Clady for less money.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I like the 10 minutes between picks in the first round change, but I do not like that they moved round 3 to the second day. I love the all draft all day ways of the past. It was like Christmas.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Looks like Larry Fitzgerald finally got paid:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3287855
I wanted him over Gallery, but they went with NEED, lol…
March 11th, 2008 at 10:53 am
any new raiders news?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:53 am
R8DR4LFE 75 Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
So back to last week i mentioned trading fabian and a draft pick to the colts for Anthony Gonzales they wont be able to afford him with HARRISON,CLARK,MANNING,WAYNE,FREENEY,SANDERS that is a whole lot of money
______________________________________________________
How would that happen? They can afford Gonzales as he is playing under his rookie contract (low 1st round selection).
If we could pull that off it would literally be a Dream and I would run to buy that jersey being that I am Cuban like Gonzales and would be sweet if donned the silver and black!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
at best j long is a RT.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:55 am
gonzales is not better than JLH
March 11th, 2008 at 10:57 am
im an osu fan , dont get me wrong he is good, but not better than JLH.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Gonzales is WAY BETTER than JLH
March 11th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Wondery why Gonzales whas chosen in round one and why JLH was chosen in day 2 ???????
March 11th, 2008 at 10:59 am
JLH, had 82 catches his senior year at utep, with palmer,who in noy as good as smith.
JLH stock dropped in the daft cause he was suppose to run sub 4.3, and he ran 4.45. but he is alot faster on the field, the man i a speedster.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:00 am
does answer your question?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Johnnie Lee Higgins needs to prove he even belongs in the NFL.
Gonzalez has already proven his worth.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:02 am
plus osu players will be rated higher than utep, look at mr 53 2nd round,LB 6.3 240lbs ran 4.44, and atill went in the 2nd.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Please dont compare JLH with Anthony Gonzalez again..they are in two different classes completely.
I am a Die-Hard Raider Fan and like the JLH pick in the round he was chosed but these are 2 different receivers. Speed doesnt mean he is better. Tony is a better route runner and was one of the most intelligent players to come out of OSU and the Draft. Anyone who can consume the Indy playbook and to top it off Peyton’s line audibles and haul in numerous TDs his rookie year is simply put: Amazing.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:03 am
with that one i agree.he does need to prove himself, and do better on returns and not fumbel.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:06 am
like i said big osu fan, you are right about most, but amazing, ill give him a few years b4 i say that, but for a rookie WR he did great, good representation for osu .
March 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
gholston for raiders will be better than gonzalez for indy.IMO
March 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
TrueRaider Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 10:55 am
gonzales is not better than JLH
_____________________________________
So then dont make a statement like that again. They dont even belong in the same sentence unless your talking about the year they were drafted.
Tony will be #2 with Reggie Wayne eventually replacing Marvelous Marvin. That was the plan when they drafted him. There is no way in hell the colts give him up. Wishful thinking.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:10 am
plus you can never teach speed. route running you can teach.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:16 am
just cause someone got drafted in the 1st dont make him a better player than someone in the 2nd or any other round.
WR: driver. Chad. porter, are better than charly rogers, and mike williams,
and dont foeget little smith.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:17 am
I just want 2 see JR throw the damb ball downtown!! JUST GO DEEP BABY
March 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Post #86
Any word on Boldin?
Thought so, can’t wait for the next inside information.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:23 am
All these mongering-rumors are BS, Kiffin is not speaking for himself probably because of team issues he’s more concerned about, we all know that a stupid interview from Kiffin about addressing the rumors isn’t gonna win us a championship/superbowl ..If i was him hells-loose no one is gonna hear from me until training camp. Their just doing this for shits & giggles just to keep our attention to them..RAIDERNATION pls. it’s like f*ckin responding to BS all these sport writers are cockcoasters that bring BS to the table.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Guess all that stupid noise made about JR being fat was another falsely attached rumor…and if he was fat, SO WHAT! It’s freaking March…Jerry, who only has to chase down emails and phone calls, can get a break, but JR can’t? UHHH….it’s easy to get news if you want it..” I have a life outside of work..”UHHHHH
March 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am
I DON”T CARE IF KIFFIN IS FIRED….he sucks compared to Gruden, period..he does not have that connection or can’r relate to the players the same way a Gruden or another NFL veteran can…6-10, 8-8 at best…
March 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Madden Raider , please stop reposting articles.We all are online , have read them , and you are wasting time and space.It makes you look , well , kinda slow….
March 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am
True Raider,
dont be so fn defensive. your comparison between the aformentioned WR is simply put: ridiculous.
Never like any pro sport organization as much as the Oakland Raiders - that will NEVER change.
just wanted to let you know your statement was ridiculous just like your responses of claiming i am stupid or i am an ahole.
Learn to use any smarts you may or may not have and dispute my claims with substance, stats, etc. and not “your stupid” “your an ahole”
March 11th, 2008 at 11:30 am
MADDENRAIDER:
It amazes me that media reports always say that Gruden “talked” Al into getting Gannon. Gruden has said it was the exactt opposite. Gruden stated that Al gave him a tape of Gannon and asked him to take a look at him.
What!? Al seking approval from a Coach on a player. Say it isnt so!!
March 11th, 2008 at 11:31 am
And this Madden Raider is SO STUPID he’s not realizing he’s playing himself…you’re posting up articles of KNOWN BAY AREA sportswriters who don’t like Oakland teams, period…who cares what they have to say, you’re not telling true Raider Fans anything we haven’t read or heard (By the way, who takes and post articles written by a woman? No lady can relate to a football player better tan a man, Lesley Visser can’t hold my jockstarp, let alone some negative hype like Ann Killion
March 11th, 2008 at 11:31 am
In regards to gholston and long. Ive always wanted gholston bc i am a realist and to this day do not envision long dropping to #4. I was clamoring for gholston when EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE said I was ridiculous, it would be a reach, that if we did that we would be the laughingstock of the draft.
Now, analysts and scouts are thinking he might get picked before us and even before long.
How stupid am i now???
March 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am
raiderdell your class is refreshing, so out of respect to you and only you ill stop.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:45 am
True
Thanks, I love your passion and that’s all of us need for this blog to be great.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Trading Gruden to Tampa Bay obviously turned out to be a bad move. He beat us down in the Super Bowl, and we’ve lost more than 3 times as many games as we’ve won since then.
Kiffin has been the only coach to give us any any hope since Gruden.
Callahan, Turner and Shell are three of THE worst coaches of all time! Why would we want to get rid of Kiffin?
March 11th, 2008 at 11:53 am
RaiderDell,
holding court. Excellent.
hope you’re having a fine day.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:54 am
PFT reports:
ALL’S NOT WELL FOR OSGOOD
Chargers special-teams ace Kassim Osgood wants to play receiver. And he’s ready to make a statement to that effect.
According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Osgood plans to boycott the team’s offseason workouts in protest of the fact that he’s not getting a shot to play offense.
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This could be a good pickup for us. Lofton would know for sure. You can never have too many great special teams guys and it’s not like we’re loaded at receiver, so he would have a chance to compete on offense, too.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:57 am
True
Thanks my friend, try to just ease up the dialogue(bad words)it will be more fun and interesting.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Afternoon everyone
Catch you all later.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
yep
March 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
you guys should stop this…
really, for everyone’s sake…
March 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
or draft beer?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
you tal;k a lot about sucking_. you must realu like biatch.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
CopenhagenFan…
Hva’ sker der? i over 48 timer har de tosser snakket om så meget lort at det gør ondt at tjekke efter nyheder! Gi os vores blog tilbage =)
March 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Keep the topic on Football Gentleman, Keep the topic on Football.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Yo FLPete!
how about them raiders!?
March 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
oh man the natives are restless. brotha against brotha in the Nation right now, we need some good news before we tear ourselves apart. Please Jerry let us know that Quinn Gray has signed in the next few hours.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Sorry Everbody I Had To….(too funny):
Lets See….How is this for Contradiction:
TrueRaider Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am
give your adress, ill show you how brave im,
TrueRaider Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
and come to florida, for what, im from CALI
March 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
them raiders be good!!!!
SUPER BOWL BABY!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Be Careful souldogdave,
He likes men…see previous posts on how he submits to RaiderDell.
No offense dell…just funny how he turns from mr. thug who talks about degrading women to mr. boy when dell speaks…LOL
March 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
big man you other people alking for you, you a real man.
thats how you do it in FL.
soul dont post b4 i start with you and your momoa.
too late i already started with that biatch.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
dave, gay nam for a gay dude.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
souldogdave, what are 60 pushing . old man stay out of it.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Oh Man, JamMarcus is getting dogged for being Fat Albert:
http://profootballtalk.com/
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
missing in action, your namesays it all.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Does anyone know how I can download a good quality copy of the Raiders theme song “the Autumn wind” for my cell-phone? I can’t find it anywhere. I don’t mind paying but I just can’t find it. Thanks.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
why were people still talking about Lane dancing or not at the combine last night?
how stupid r they? they must not be married!!!!
Think about it.
You get home from Indy. In the news it says that you weren’t paying attention while working, and you were out late and dancing.
So she wants to know who were you dancing with?
NOBODY I PROMISE!!! So he calls the paper that reported that and told the reporter that it was not true.
The Raiders don’t like talking about the raiders.
The fact that we are signing people that can make a difference is all wee need to know about how coach feels about these players.
It is not about who is with us when we win.
It is all about who is there when we lose.
If Lane or anyone else (porter) wants to leave.
PEACE THE F()@& OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WIN__LOSE__OR__TIE!!!
RAIDER TILL I DIE!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
as for being 5,9. its ok i can 5,1 and knock you out.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
They have nothing better to do than speculate on our QB’s weight. Can’t wait for him zipping passes to Walker. Going to be quite a tandem.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Everybody is a critic now!!!
Some reports say that he is 265.
some say 320.
i think that he will be ready by MAY
March 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Is there anything to the BOLDIN rumor!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
there is not boldin rumor!! it was an id1ot in this forum who got it started!
March 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
It’s M.I.A. for Miami dumbass. I dropped our little argument simply because you are not intelligent hence the reason i disputed your claim from the beginning.
Real men dont talk to act. If you want to try me over a computer about my mom, my home state and make false statements about me being an OSU or Indy fan because I think Anthony Gonzalez is better than JLH than well your STUPID.
No need to response with Im going to “snath” you because well we smart ones dont know what the HELL that means. My mom by the way has been an established attorney for 23 years and volunteers after grueling hours at the courthouse to help out distressed children from domestic disputes between parents. Just wanted to let you know what a women she is and why I dont take shit from ANYONE talking about her as my mother or any women for that matter.
Souldogdave and other posters here know who childish and dumb you are, hence the “group” your claiming is defending my position. Reason other faitful poster havent joined is they dont want to waste their time with an Idiot like you who started with a dumbass comment like you did from the beginning.
No go suck on your thumb little man.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
there is NO Boldin rumor, even =)
March 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
that would have been great news
THANX FOR RUINING MY DAY!!!!! LOL
March 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
MIA…
hey, some time ago, somebody in here talked smack about my mother too, I asked him politely not to, he instantly stopped and we kept our argument very civil from then on, sometimes you get lucky with you opposition, well yeah and sometimes you don’t….
March 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
stupid little whiner even when i let you do you keep on posting, look here stupid you mom is ho im not a kid FYI, and FD up by telling me what kinf of statements i can make and now youcan take it and others to help, maybe next time you will mind you own Shat.i dont need to suck my thumb, your ho mom is doing it for me.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
MIA
You have every right to be proud of your Mother!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
m.i.a,
i mentioned raiders should be looking at gholston a month before the combine on footballsfuture.com(which i was banned from for ripping and telling the truth about ths cheating patsies) and in the now wacked out contracosta forums. People didn’t want to hear it because alot of you guys didn’t want to think out of the box outside of Dorsey or Ellis.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
people im not the problem, talk with respect and ill show it back to you, tell me what statements i can and cant make and thats what you get.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
tyrant83…
yeah its like telling kids there is a santa, when they realize he doesn’t exist they just stare out in the open… a sad sight like when we look down the field and follow that nice spiral, but no receiver around…
(wow sorry ‘TrueRaider’ if i revealed something I shouldn’t have)
March 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
DarkNight,
Look like we were the pioneers of the Gholston selection. I found it funny that it was a “reach” “ridiculous” and so on…and NOW he is rumored to be selected before Chris Long.
Just hope one of the DE between both fall to our lap. They are both going to be beasts.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Ohhh I wish…
God rest Her soul
March 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
http://www.newerascouting.com/home/209-updated-two-round-mock-draft/
check out this mock draft. That picture of Gholston says it all, that guy is a freakin monster.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
This is a football blog.
If you want to continue this pissing match, get each others e-mail addresses.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
GRAY NO! GRADY YES!!!!!!
The Raiders don’t need Gray…..we need Grady (as in Jackson). We need to add a true run plugger to the D-Line and Grady comes at a very reasonable price.
We had the opportunity last year and let him go to Jacksonville. The same Jags team that was damn near impossible to run against.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
yeah!
see ya later guys, you know who I talk about! I come by later, hope there something good going on then =)
March 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
WHATS UP RAIDER NATION
March 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Bart Bridge Balla
WoW Gholston is a monster
March 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I would like to comment, but with all of the above bs why should I bother?
I always want to talk football/sports and come into this site on a daily basis and see political, religous, and racial/minority/women bs that should’nt even be discussed in this blog?
But since it’s a free blog and there are no rules other than cussing and using duplicate names, people continue to talk about it, especially since there really isn’t any news to talk about.
Let’s talk sports fellas.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
It would be funny to see Al sign Grady Jackson & Rod Coleman. We could sure use their help on D Line!
March 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
My tix person for the Raiders tells me its a likelyhood the Pats game is a monday nighter. (Gigi)
March 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Quinn Gray profile:
http://www.nfl.com/players/quinngray/profile?id=GRA766862
March 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Well aside from the minor squabbling, it has been nice to not having “Alameda Insider/ madderaider” bugging everybody today.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
There is a possibility Big Rob will install more of the 3-4 defense. Sands seems he can be a better NT then DT. He doesn’t get much penitration, but eats up space. Warren, Kelley, and Richardson can play the 3-4 end. Burgess being the odd man out, can be part of a trade along with a 3rd rnd pk for oh let’s say Roy Williams. Draft a guy like Gholston who can play with a hand on the ground or standing up and things are starting to look pretty good. This is the time of the year where everything sounds good.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
ATLHOMO,…we are here, have never left, you have no idea who we all are,..you think its just a couple people in here?..you are clueless,..just like al davis,…we will never leave,…got it now loser?
March 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
TrueRaider,
Your comments (see previous posts) do not make any sense. Not so much the JLH vs Gonzalez reference. The fact that mia didnt say anything vulgar to you is what is wrong. You claimed he is an osu and indy fan based on his argument then went off about his mother and his hometown. your acting like a little kid really and have no respect for the ladies in our life. Your comments are offending and honestly agree that you are all bark also.
I dont want to offend you but if any rationale person read all your stupid posts between you and him they would see that you went off the handle. so stop posting!!!! and grow up and stop talking about mothers and biatch and other ghetto nonsense. please.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Looks like we spoke too soon… Maddenraider is back
March 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
What’s up Nation?
I need an update. Why did Jerry have to resort to the “mass edit mode” for the first time ever?
What in the name of Al is going on here?
I missed it.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
ATLRAIDER Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
ATLHOMO,…we are here, have never left, you have no idea who we all are,..you think its just a couple people in here?..you are clueless,..just like al davis,…we will never leave,…got it now loser?
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
There are Broncos fans trolling here with waaaay too much time on their hands.
Jerry really needs to require registration for this site.
The trolls are out of control.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Gray looked pretty immobile, does’nt really fit the system does it?
March 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
75. Q. What has Gray done
A. Handled his business when he was asked to play.
In his only start he was something like 28/35 for 280 yards. AW has started many games and never got off like that.
Gray has great upside, sign him, cut Walter and sign any decent 3rd stringer, almost anyone is better than AW. That guy blows !
March 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Dude go to raiders.com under downloads! (4 tha dude that wanted the ring tone)
March 11th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Gray is an upgrade over the Clown, AW and C-Pep…sign his ass!
March 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
gray is a quality backup, he can step in and win a game or two if russellwne down, he’s a good system fit and is tough
March 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Tommy Trojan,
According to Maddenraider’s earlier post:
“we are here, have never left, you have no idea who we all are,..you think its just a couple people in here?..”
Apparently he is suggesting that there is a network of trolls.
If so, Jerry needs to starting asking for registration on this blog.
March 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
what did all you do? why is Jerry havin to come in here and regulate shite. stop misbehavin and give the man a freakin break. its the off season people, chill yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Madden Raider,
You remind me of an evangelist preaching at San Quentin.
If you are so convinced the Raiders are doing all the wrong things and will continue on their path of destruction then LEAVE US ALONE and become a Patriot fan or better yet a Chargers fan! I myself could not see myself cheering for any other team in the league my allegiance is true and unwaivering. We all share a bond a bond that goes beyond color or geography. It’s something that Al Davis has injected OUR team with call it attitude, rebelliousness and/or anti establishment. What ever the case what ever flavor that suits your needs I get it from this team, the organization and fellow fans of the silver & black! You speak of us being in a state of denial, well guess what we are a passionate die hard group, if this is to illogical for you you have 31 other teams to choose from. Yes we have fallen on hard times but guess what it was almost inevitable that such a winning franchise should fall on hard times statistically speaking that is. I choose to hold on to my Raiders in good times and bad times thats why we are fans & thats why they play the game in case you’ve forgotten. Its no surprise that its always been an US against the world mentality from the refs to the media and in spite of it all we have so much more to show for ourselves than most NFL teams do combined and guess who’s been our architect thats right the old senile man you haters keep referring to, Mr. Al Davis
March 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
—”Panthers released C Justin Hartwig.
The move clears the way for Ryan Kalil to start at center. The Panthers had planned on having Hartwig slide over to the guard, but he was never keen on the idea so they cut the injury-prone lineman. Keydrick Vincent and Geoff Hangartner will compete for the job.
Mar. 11 - 4:39 p.m. ET”—
March 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
If we cant resign Newberry, Hartvig would be a great acquisition or perhaps even an upgrade…
March 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
hartwig is better and younger than newberry and is a good fit for the system
March 11th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Cable! do you magic, not that Hartwig needs help, but I honestly think Kwame Harris signed as Newberry last year only because Cable is our coach
March 11th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Gray would be a nice back up for Jamarcus Russell. He’s the best back-up available with upside that’s for sure. As for as the draft, why are Raider fans jumping on the Vernon Gholston bandwagon? Don’t listen to all these so-called insiders on who we are gonna draft. Look at our roster, and see what’s the best way to plug holes on our team. It wouldn’t be a bad pick up but we have alot of holes and I believe we should trade down some how and pick up multiple picks. If DE Julius Peppers is really available then lets see if we can swap first round picks with Carolina and still acquire Peppers? With around the #15th pick we trade back to the later first round and acquire more picks. Perhaps a 3rd and a 5th that we currently don’t have. My first selection then would be WR Limas Sweed or James Hardy at the end of the first round. Second round I would go DT Trevor Laws. Third round I would go S Tom Zbowski. Fourth Round LB/DE Marcus Howard. 5th round WR Harry Douglas. Tell me Nation what u think about that scenario.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
LMN jeg blev også fanget i lortet forleden…jeg sat et par stykker på plads men kæft mand der er nogen herinde som er bare lamme!
M.I.A. where you the guy who called Gholston? You hit that one on the head if you called it before the combine. I want that guy!!
March 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Quagmire’d by the way, you cracked me up the other day when you wrote “lekker pik” ha ha. I’m with you on the Quinn waggon.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
why cant we all just get along?
March 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
gray is no more proven than walter
March 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
and walter is much more like russ then gray
March 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
raiderkev … the Raiders don’t have a 3rd or 5th round pick (at the moment), so right now it’s 5 picks total. I’d go with DT DE in 1st.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
raiderkev, we need DE’s in this draft, young ones that can develop with the team. Burgess is not gonna be here much longer, and Richardson is the only other pure DE on the roster.
1. Gholston/C. Long
2. Red Bryant
4. Kendall Langford
6. Marcus Monk
7. Jameel McClain
March 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
#445 That’s a great photo of the trolls!! RAIDER NATION WE NEED BABY HOWIE!!
March 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
jerseyraider, gray is 6-3 250 and is fairly mobile, walter is 6-6 235 and is a statue, russell is 6-6 265 and is mobile, the only things walter has is common with russell are hight and arm strength, walter isn’t a system fit, and although i believe he will eventually be a starter in this league, walter is not meant for this system, gray would be a good option, although we’re taking about a backup QB so let’s not get too excited, hopefully he’ll never take a snap……..for the next 10-15 years
March 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Gray are you kidding me?
Like someone said … what has he done!
You guys need to give your head a shake. Walter had no time and terrible playing calling by Mr. B&B … what QB would be able to anything will that OL (worst in NFL history?). Did any one of you watch the Super Bowl … what did Brady do?? Not too much when you are under pressure all the time. Walter is better than Gray … just give him a chance and the protection.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
You guys, I’m gonna go over this one last time just so everyone gets it. One of the most respected posters if not THE most respected poster in here, Bob Marley, in post #330 from earlier today, probably says it best so I won’t repeat it. Go read it.
A lot of you haven’t been here for the regular season. Every Raider hating fukup from across 7 known galaxies comes in to this site to pile on and spew sh**, especially after a Raider loss. So guys and gals, it’s imperative we all stick together as the greatest fan base in all of sport.
When the whole “Kiff is Gone” thing exploded 2 months ago you could literally hear the tearing of the fabric that has held together the greatest fan base in all of sport beginning to fray!! It was mostly trolling eff ups stirring up sh**!!!! I immediately jumped into the middle of it trying to take on as many troll fukups as I could, and in the course of that, became the de facto point person for troll hatred. That’s fine, I’m totally ok with it. I don’t mind idiots attacking me, I don’t even mind effups posting under my name.
With all that being said, most trolls are pretty easy to recognize. “F*** the Raiders!” Well, ok, we know where that screwhead stands. It’s the ones who come in here posing as die hard fans, who claim they want to win, but then continue to say the QB sucks, the Oline sucks, the coach is leaving again, the team is moving, we are in total disarray, no free agents will ever come here, etc, etc, etc, over and over and over and over and over again. We’ve pointed them out to you very clearly, but some of you keep wanting to bring them back in here and engage them in conversations. don’t do it!! They start spewing vile racist, or other crazy bile for one reason and one reason only. THEY WANT TO TAKE DOWN THIS SITE!!!! This is a great fan site with the greatest, most knowledgable fans in the world!! Right now the Dischargers fan site has like 3 hits, the buncos site 40 hits, I don’t even think there is a whiner site. Since yesterday we’ve had hundreds of posts and millions of them got wiped out because of this crap. And it’s the off season: There is nothing going on!!! Still, we have literally hundreds if not thousands of people from around the world and countless thousands more who don’t post and just read the comments, on this site. These pukes have nothing better in their lives than to ruin what we have here!! Don’t let these fukups in here. Don’t let them spew crap and bile and ruin it for all of us. Am I clear??? Are there any questions??? Thank you.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
walte is better than gray, bu he isn’t likely to succeed in this offense, russell and gray are, gray has shown he can be a decent bakup, manage a game, put up respectable #s and walk away with a win, he played in a run heavy offense with sub par WRs and a moving pocket, he’s a good fit
March 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Oakglenn,
There is one cure for getting rid of trolls like Maddenraider and Alameda Insider:
Require registration with a valid e-mail address on the site.
No other blog out there lets you enter whatever name and e-mail address you want without verification. That invites trolls like Maddenraider
March 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
we are talking about a back-up QB here. Walter might be gone simply because he has too much value to be a 2nd stringer in a system that doesnt fit his strengths.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
PS. Let’s discuss football.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Sean, we’re gonna have to do that. ATL Raider has been posting here for months. ATLhomo??? come on. It’s just meant to destroy what we have here.
March 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Maddenraider’s Crew:
http://www.revengeofthenerds.com/images/nerds.gif
Normally they have Jay Culer jerseys on!
March 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
yup! as i predicted… Falcons resigned Joey harrington
March 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Sean…
that maybe so, but if I recollect right, those nerds wins in the end…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Jerry: any chance that “mysterious leg injury” suffered by Daunte was due to the Raiders not wanting to pay incentives in his contract related to increased playing and/or starting QB time? You seemed to have a good relationship with him during the season, any chance you can get an email quote from him, e.g. what’s next for him?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Good call oakglenn … lets discuss football … Raider football.
What’s the number #1 need for the Raiders??
In my opinion it’s this Kiffin situation … it has to been resolved.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
the #1 need is building an offense, we need to fix the offensive line, which although it has made progress is far from settled, we also need someone on offense who scared opposing defenses and keeps opponents honest on offense and defense
March 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
number 1 need overall — WINNING!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
The first rule I learned in football…
football is won on the line, dominating the line you win the game! If its the D-line or O-line if your line puts its opposition out the game, it takes the other team oout of the game!
So O-line and D-line is where we should focus, I believe Cable will take care of his line, but the D-line needs a philosophy
March 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
If the defense can stop the run and put pressure on the opposing QBs … we will have a winning season but first you need a coach the leader.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I think Alex, Tommy and LMN say the exact same thing. If it was me, I would say continuity. I think continuity in coaching. Be it Kiffin or whoever, continuity would bring stability to an offense that seems to be adding players and with stability and an improved defense, I think wins will quickly follow.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I agree NML … Cable did a great job last year and I fully expect him to improve the OL even more this year. It’s the DL that I’m worried about … has to improve alot more.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
This is a No Troll Zone
http://securosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/NoTroll.jpg
All trolls will be removed on site!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Sean…
LOL, that troll (the real ones) was designed in DK =)
March 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
the best defense is a good offense, not only because of the points scored but because of the pressure put on the opposing offense and the situation that the defense is put in, they are able to pin their ears back and disrupt the QB when the offense if forced to pass, we have and elite pass rusher, great LBs, and one of the best secondarys in the NFL, our D was built to disrupt the QB, that has always been Al’s philosophy and when coupled with a good offense it works, waht we need to do is fix the o-line, ideally in the 2nd rnd of the draft, and mcfadden would be a good move because it provides an elite offensive weapon that keeps opponents honest, we have adequate RBs right now, and we can be successful wih them, the donkeys were always successful with no-name RBs but when they had an elite RB in portis, they were great, and mcfadden is a far superior RB to portis, with russell, walker, curry, miller, and griffith, our offensive weapons are adequate, with mcfadden and a legitimate LT, our offense can be good, and potentially great
March 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
This is a great blog, but Jerry needs to do something about the Troll Problem
March 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
No mistakes about it. Bringing in Gray is Kiffin’s move.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
People that have no discipline or who aren’t willing to accept personal responsibility are always looking for a 3rd party or government to control what they are unable or unwilling to do themselves.
You want to stop trolls???? Have the discipline to ignore their posts….they’ll get bored when they don’t get the attention they crave and move on to a blog where they do.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
yalls trippin
completly agree with you - If Al and Kif did bump heads - It sounds like to me there kissin and makin up
March 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Sean…
http://www.bladportal.dk/?entityType=Magazine&id=48#
click on the cover and look behind the guy on the coverpage, btw he is a danish musician…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
to say continuity or consistency or winning are too general, everyone knows that winning is a byproduct of continuity, consistency, and talent, you need to explain how such things will be achieved, obviously we need to maintain our HC, and if he is fired he should be replaced with someone who has experience within the organizationa nd knows the roster(cosistency), who can comand the respec of the team(continuity), and can make the most of the talent we have, if kiffin is fired, which, hopefully he is not, and it still appears unlikely to me that he will be, then RR(consistency/continuity) should be named as HC and Cable(talent) as assistant HC
March 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
tommy I have to say I really enjoyed your post from a few days back essentially saying the same thing. Especially with the Raiders secondary, which played fairly well, if the Raiders could play with some leads, and I mean 2 TD leads not 3 point leads, it would put HUGE pressure on opposing teams, and play into our hands a bit. One thing about Mike Huff, and I know the fans here don’t like Mike that much, but what Mike says is he didn’t take chances his first two years, and in his defense, he really couldn’t. He tries to make a play, misses, and costs the team the game, he would look like a judasgoat. So he played conservatively. You’re right TT. A good Oline, some leads, this team would be much more formidable.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
you summed it up right there LMN. The defensive line, and the defense as a whole needs a philosophy. Since Ryan came in here this defense has played like its every man for himself out there. Burgess is out of place on the stong side, Warren Sapp was just shooting the gap and leaving Terdell Sands to fight off quadruple teams, the linebackers just chase the ball without any thought for gap containment or discipline.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
well we definatly need a mobile type qb to back up russel. i wonder what we can get for walter and huff in a package deal…………..and to those who are wondering where kiffin is ? he`s more than l;ikely on a Bay area beach on the west coast of Florida relaxing with the `ol man. it`s an awesome time of year here right now……………..
March 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Gray is accustomed to a run happy offense. Kiff was swinging off JAX’s nuts in his presser, saying he wanted the Raiders to be like them. This guy doesnt force stuff and has a decent arm..
March 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
the thing that I can’t stand now is how Gholston is now being considered a top 3 pick? I was hoping him and or C Long will still be there in at 4! Otherwise the pick may still be DMC. Then Oak will need to get a DE or DT in round 2. Or they may go with Dorsey or J Long. The thing about Gholston is that he runs out of gas easily.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Yup, the defense is about as controlled as Rob Ryan’s drinking. Completely out of control.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
TT, exactly. I wrote a couple of months back that rifts happen between owners and coaches. Jesus, Steinbrenner wanted to fire Torre every two weeks and they stayed together for 12 years. These things happen. It’s not unusual. To me Kiff getting fired is a moot point. Hate to tell everyone, but Kiff is gonna coach this year.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Oakglenn is refering to post #858 of the danny clark visit(previous page) for anyone who is interested, because i’m not reposting it
March 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I still say we take mcfadden, think about it, say if and when micheal bush and rhodes exsplode and then mcfadden explodes………..think of the draft picks we get in the future, we`d be building for a dynasty!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
RaiderKev25 your on the money w/ your picks, but Malicia may have a good point. We’ve addressed several holes in our team, but the focus of this draft should be on the O & D Line period. If nothing else this year we can all agree that the surest way to lay down the bricks for the foundation are in acquiring and developing OL & DL talent from the draft. If we can avoid sexy draft picks and stay the course we should be able to pick up some good talent in the areas previously mentioned. As of now we have five picks not counting compensatory picks or if we trade down for more picks. Since we find ourselves in a rebuilding stage from coaching to players we need to carefully evaluate how we drafted last yr and learn from the mistakes and from the positives even if it means Al can be vetoed in a consensus manner. If not we always have free agency. We should acknowledge that we need in the particular order the following position filled in this yrs draft.
OT
C
DT
DE
WR
This is what we should be focused on as the draft is a little more than a month away. So who should fill those spots?
March 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
LARaider70, thankyou for post 437
Oakglenn, thank you for post 453
La Milicia Negra, hey. (It is all about the interior line play. Shhh. It’s a secret. :))
March 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
i would be satisfied with gholston, long, mcfadden, or ellis in the 1st, as long as the 2nd rnd is used to solidify the LT position(sam baker, gosder cherilus, anthony collins), DL is a priority but no single D-lineman can make the impact on a team that a pro bowl RB can, fargas is good and rhodes is adequate, jordan will certainly be cut, if bush can live up to his potential and become a pro bowler than it may be OK to igore mcfadden, but u need 2 RBs in this league and the prospects of mcfadden and bush in the same backfield as russell for the long haul is too appealing to ignore, and is potentially frightening for opposing defenses
March 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
As much as it pains me to say it, picking McFadden would be pretty awesome. I have serious doubts about his abilities, and it isn’t a position of need; but we do need more weapons for the offense, because last seasons version put fear into no one. My personal preference however would be Chris Johnson in the 2nd round, to complement Bush, Fargas, Rhodes.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
with dmc on offense….it will add that extra game breaking weapon that is needed and with him on the field…it will only help JMarc and the rest of the offense. I do agree…
March 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Oakglenn,
I could never figure out why people have dumped on M. Huff. Not a superstar in years one and two. So what? Adequate would describe his process. I look for quite good things from the young man playing next to Wilson this year.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Whats a little scary is that alot of updated mocks have Long and Gholston being picked up #1 and #2 and we might be left with neither.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Picking McFad will also help the D as they will not be gassed from being on the field sooooo looong.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Mike Mamula would be proud of what Gholston has accomplished.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
The foundation of Russell & McFadden would be a heck of a base for the offense to build on.
I wouldn’t cry if we drafted McFadden at #4 and addressed the D Line in the 2nd round.
Besides, Rob Ryan has been given high draft picks on defense lately and has squandered their talent. Do the names Michael Huff & Fabian Washington ring a bell??
March 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
MIA if thats the case then we must go with OL as we can get a much better suited NT in round 4 & pick up WR at #2.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
cj isn’t the prospect mcfadden is and the 2nd rnd is best reserved for an OT, we don’t need a RB, the only reason for taking mcfadden is we need an elie offensive playmaker, cj isn’t one(he’s a smaller, faster fargas, just a good starter), mcfadden is a potential all pro RB, the best friends of a young QB are RBs(mcfadden and bush), TEs(miller and madsen), pass catching FBs(griffith) and possesion WRs(curry), these weapons are utiled because a good, pass blocking LT(2nd rnd pick) can provide time for the QB to throw and allow the TEs and RBs to go out on routes rather than block, mcfadden and sam baker as 1st 2 picks, of corse i’d still be happy with gholston or long, as long as 2nd rnd is OL help, THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE(look at the colts…….that can be us in a year or two)
March 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
M That is classic! but i got to give vernon more credit then double m.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
CopenhagenFan Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
M.I.A. where you the guy who called Gholston? You hit that one on the head if you called it before the combine. I want that guy!!
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I called it before the combine and caught a lot of heat albeit well deserved since he was an unknown product to most.
I had a gut feeling given the need at DE and his freakish ability that he would wow all the scouts at the combine. His Pro Day topped all his results at the combine and he has been the player with the most buzz so far, to the point that a lot of analysts and mock experts have him gone by our pick. This would be a blessing in disguise if we land chris long given the legacy and high motor factors imo.
I would love it if either were available if not then maybe DT. I was completely oppossed to DMAC but wouldnt not be to upset if we both DE were gone and if Dorsey’s leg injury is valid. I think Ellis is too much of a reach need at #4 and feel if both DE are gone then DMAC would give us another cornerstone on the offense.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder,
good afternoon, I enjoy the posts you bring here but I have question re: DMc. Has he ever picked up a blitz? Can he get tough, crucial yards? Will he fight or fall at first touch. Gaping holes to the house are like highlights of 360 dunks. Yeah, but can you play the game? East Coast hype dis-enamors me of many a player.
March 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Just Draft McFadden, Baby!
March 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
exla, TOP is no an issue, wewere one of the top teams in he NFL in TOP, but we didn’t score, so teams could run all they wanted to, and if they put up a few points they would win(refer to post #858 on the previous blog(hammerhead…), i’m starting to go into the same rant and refuse to repost it over and over)
March 11th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
hey I agree the 2nd round needs to be Sam Baker or D-line Tommy T. I just like Chris Johnson’s potential as a scat-back and kick returner. I watched some of his games and he has straight up scary football speed, but he is a bit of a tweener. The off-season is for dreaming though.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Well bart your wrong buddy, our rushing attack early on drove fear into everybody, why in the hell you think they started to load the box, now for another receiver, i`m sure bolden is going to be cut or traded after larry`s huge contract increase…………….drafting mcfadden gives us a ton of options for the future.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
can we really afford to invest any more money into out d-line? anyone we take at number 4 is going to get paid and paid well. we already have alot of dough up front and im not sure we should invest a bunch more. with that said the same goes for rb and other than j. long there doesnt seem to be top end o-line talent in this years draft. the only logical thing to do with that pick is trade it
March 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
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March 11th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
TOP is only an advantage when you have a substantial lead. I think what TT is saying is we need to generate points and create the lead before paying the possession game.
With a basically rookie QB at the helm, having a 1-2 punch with solid RB we then can generate points and build leads. Remember what happened last year losing games by one or two scores!
A notable quote by Kiffen last year when we faced JAX, was that he admired the team and coaching philosophy. Built to run and stop the run.
We already proved we can run the ball with no name RB and ZBS. Our issue is we cannot stop the run. I remember playing fantasy last year and having other players anxious to start ANY RB that faced our Defense. This needs to be at top of the list in our draft. Question is if the DT (dorsey/ellis) worth the dice at #4 or do we add say Trevor Laws at round #2. I know Rob Ryan certainly loved how Sedrick Ellis played at Senior Bowl. After his safety in the endzone, RR could not remove the smile off his face.
RB is so far off our list with Fargas, Bush and Rhodes in the arsenal. But you never know with AD.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
huff and fabs have been far from squandered, they are both good players, however, they will not live up to the TO expectations until opponents can be forced to pass, but huff is one of the best coverage Ss in the nfl and is a solid tackler, he doesn’t get as many opportunitys because he plays on the same side of he field as nnamdi, and noone throws to that side, and for the same reason, they always go to fabs/route’s side because it’s safer to pick on washington, route and schweigert than nnamdi and huff, which is why route, morrison, schweigert, and howard were all successful in the INT department, QBs avoid nnamdi and huff, because even the best WRs and TEs can’t get open against nnamdi and huff, respectively, they’d rather force them against the other side of the field and over the middle, fabian and stanford are both above average CBs, the problem is you’re using nnamdi as the standard, and he’s at the very least, a top 3 CB in this league, if not the best
March 11th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
I think he is the Best. Lets reward him and make him a lifetime Raider already!
March 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
the easiest and most consistent method of stopping the run is by preventing your opponent from handing the ball off at all, by putting pressure on them to score
March 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
i agree tommy well said but we dont havean offence that can do that.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
M
Thx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HnJxcQh_I6o
I get pumped thinking he’ll be a Raider
March 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
the jags are a nice team to want to model yourself after, but the colts(although i hate them) are a better role model for how to be consistently successful, offense dictates to the defense, defense can not dictate to the offense with the same level of consistency, which is why the colts have been the winningest team in the last decade and the ravens and bears have been sporatic
March 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
M
Thx LOL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HnJxcQh_I6o
I get pumped thinking he’ll be a Raider.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Tommy Trojan,
I think this is a make or break year for Huff.
Fabian? He is a c@nt hair away from being a bust. Last yeah he was weak, so put it mildly.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
M
Another
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I1E5GzxjXWs&feature=related
wowwwwwwww
March 11th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
We will with a QB going through a full training camp and playbook digestion and upgrading our WR corp with Walker and a second year of growth from Higgins and Miller.
Add a healthy Bush, more playing time for Rhodes, a rewarded Fargas and our RB corp has been upgraded.
Add Harris to the OL give Gallery and Co. another year with ZBS and cut False Start Sims and our OL improved.
Gather more offense personel in the draft and we have…..
A Much Improved Offense Next Year. N
March 11th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
salisbury… any realation to the steak?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
jerseyraider, which is why we must build such an offense, we now have a good TE, adequate WRs , a potentially great QB, a good interior OL, what we need now is a superstar RB and a quality LT, both can be achieved in the 1st two rnds, the DL can be addressed later as there is a higher rate of successful late rnd picks than any other possition, and also the highest rate of busts in the top 10, it’s safer to lock up the LT position, add an elite RB, and address the DL with our last 3 picks, there are some solid opions there
March 11th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
remember harris really hasnt been very good so far. i understand that his body type fits our system but im not sold on him untill i see him play well
March 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
toomy you still feel we need to add a superstar back? im not so sure. i fear that a superstar back may try to do to much and our system is set up to just take what is there
March 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
It’s a long way to the top if you want to Rock & Roll!
DRAFT MCFADDEN, AL!
March 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
this is not a make or break year for huff, he had a good year his rookie year and a very good year this year, your saying tht if he doesn’t make the pro bowl than he must be a bust, that’s ridiculous, a bust is someone who is not at the very least an good starter, and huff is one of the top 15 Ss in the NFL, washington is a decent starter, the problem(for washington, not for us) is, so is route, but he is making half as much as fabian and doesn’t have a sense of entitlement, which is a key factor in why he was benched, he got on the wrong side of the coaching staff
March 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
462………
I think DC screwed up playing games after practice and pulled his hammy. He went straight to the Kiff pound and was never heard from again sorta like what happened to my boy when he didnt jump on a practice fumble.
Kiff didnt put up with anything less then 100% 100% of the time last year.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
fargas is a great fit if he can stay healthy wich is a very bif if. i dont he has played a full season yet.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
TT are you saying if either C.Long or Gholston are available at #4 you would still snatch DMac?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
a superstar RB is not one who is out of control, but one who can take control when there is none, that’s what mcfadden is, you’re over simplifying our offense the same way the media does when speaking of the ZBS, the lanes are designed so that there are many of them, bu they are structured, the RB has just as many options in the ZBS, the key is that the ZBS attacks hoizontally rather than vertically, moving the OL as a whole(creating a “zone”) in order to get the D out of position, this horizontal approach is best utilized when the RB is fast enough to take advantage of the D being out of position, and shifty enough to find the right whole, it’s harder to dirupt because it’s based on disruption itself, disrupting the D, and dictating to the D in a systematic approach rather than through the “who is stronger” approach
March 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
you gotta have offensive balance to scare a defense. Running the ball on first and second down, then passing on third did not scare any body except the Dolphins. Kiff needs some playmakers that can be a TD threat whenever they touch the ball, we had nobody that fit that description last year.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Two Wise Guys Assessing Mock Draft:
Funny and Interesting…….
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8GxPbt4Qsc
March 11th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
McFadden my butt. Tennessee ate him alive!! Give me a break!! Defensive Line first!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
i would prefer Run DMC, but would be happy if we took one of the DEs, and would be happy with ellis if the other 3 were somehow gone(a trade up for mcfadden would be implied in this scenario), but my philosophy is that a good O is the best D and that no single D player(however good) can make the impact on a game(consistently) that a great O player can, that is why MVP is an offensive award and Defensive POY is a secondary award
March 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
It’s amazing how much people try to defend Huff & Washington. Given their draft positions, they should be be making a name for themselves by now.
Hardly anyone outside of Oakland knows who they are.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
ask a NFL QB and you’ll here that huff has made a name for himself, QBs don’t like to throw to their TEs against huff, fabian has character issues and is overpaid, he hasn’t met expectations but is a descent starer, and when behind route is the best nickle CB in the NFL, huff is a very good S, but your assessment is weighting INTs too heavily, our D doesn’ allow for our DBs to have great INT #s, because teams do no pass against us, especially not to huff and nnamdi’s side of the field, you need to reevaluate your evaluation of a very good S
March 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
tarde the pick for an elite wr! i would take chad fitz orwilliams over anone we may get at number four
March 11th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
TT
You’re so right that McFad could exploit the ZBS better than any backs we have. On the 2 links I put up on 516 and 518, the explosiveness in his getting into the secondary before they could react would put our running attack on a another level.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Huff is solid yet conservative. I think he did an good job with the exact job description he was given: Stop Gonzo. Stop Gates. Stop Graham/Scheffler.
With the Gibril signing, watch his reins slacken and pick some balls. This is going to be an exciting year for Turnovers with Gibril, Huff, Nnamdi and Routt/Fab.
We need some more pressure and stout run D. That why I think DLine is imperative. On the flip side, a game changer at RB will be a great consildation (sp) prize. But will DMac be a game changer in the NFL?
March 11th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
fitz would be a steal for the #4 pick, but now that ARI has cut his salary in half(it’s amazing that $7.5 M is half…and we’re overpaying?), they have no need to trade him, roy williams would be a good option, but they would need to give up more because he isn’t the WR that fitz is, and chad johnson is too old to spend a top 5 pick on
March 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
we have 3 running backs who could start on most teams in the nfl on our roster and no one single reliable number one wideout. for get about dmc he is a luxuary that we cannot afford
March 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
i would love to have d mac on our team but we have some many other needs
March 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
what everyone is ignoring is how helping the O will help the D, it relieves pressure, teams can not win consistently on D, the margin of victory is too small to be consistent, this may sound odd as i was a Mike in HS and Morrison is by far my favorite player, but O>D
March 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
walker is good but the chances of him staying healty for 17 weeks are slim
March 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
MIA, I can see with clarity now thanks for pointing out what is so obviously the right choice! If we pick either C.Long or Gholston we create much needed pressure in our base 4-3 defense thus creating more turn overs/sacks. Which is why need not forget that a huge NT is still needed and imo can be had in the 4th round or late 3rd if we get one there since we don’t have one right now. If either C.Long or Gholston are gone I would still think a Dorsey could be equally disruptive as any of the prior mentioned DE’s & more so than Tommy Kelly. Still a DL/DE must be acquired w/ #1 pick! If all three players are gone then and only then if McFadden is available we go with him if he is gone we get J.Long. I still drool over the idea of having a run stuffing line up of Kelly, Dorsey, Sands & Warren inflicting havoc on opposing offenses.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
LARaider70,
EXACTLY MY POINT! Just look what transpired in the Superbowl. With all due respect TT, I beg to differ with some of your points. O does help out the D. But D wins championships. Case in point: Most recent superbowl.
NE had the most potent offense and could score at will. Some considered it to be one of the most potent offenses of all times! Well that was until they met the 2 bookends in New York with Strahan and Osi.
If we grabbed either Gholston and Long to pair up with Burgess well then we would match up nicely with the NYG DEs. We know we have a superior secondary…our Defense would be downright Nasty and Scary and WE all want the Nastiness back dont we??
My only concern with Dorsey is his leg injury like all the scouts. If healthy he would be a logical choice as for the longest he was the consensus #1 pick. If healthy he certainly should be 3rd on our draft board behind C.Long and Gholston. If all 3 are gone (with a healthy Dorsey) then D-Mac would be the next BPA.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
the problem LARaider is consistency, a DL like that still can’t be consisten over an entire game, or and entire season, or over several seasons, offenses can be consistent, no matter what, if you have a great playmaker, eventually they will come through, when you have several, they consistenly come through, defense works the same way but the prize is not as big, TD>scks/ints, which is why offense is more important than D, because more often than not, the O dictates to the D, good DL are common late in the draft, bust DL are common early in the draft, it’s safer to address the O first and DL late
March 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
ideally, yes, LARaider1970…but when was the last time the Raiders D-line wreaked havoc on anything? It won’t happen with just one acquisition, let alone a rookie.
March 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
LARaider70 Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
MIA, I can see with clarity now thanks for pointing out what is so obviously the right choice! If we pick either C.Long or Gholston we create much needed pressure in our base 4-3 defense thus creating more turn overs/sacks. Which is why need not forget that a huge NT is still needed and imo can be had in the 4th round or late 3rd if we get one there since we don’t have one right now. If either C.Long or Gholston are gone I would still think a Dorsey could be equally disruptive as any of the prior mentioned DE’s & more so than Tommy Kelly. Still a DL/DE must be acquired w/ #1 pick! If all three players are gone then and only then if McFadden is available we go with him if he is gone we get J.Long. I still drool over the idea of having a run stuffing line up of Kelly, Dorsey, Sands & Warren inflicting havoc on opposing offenses.
*****
Once again, for the record, I say either Dorsey or Ellis…good to see that there are other posters out there who see this need above all else…both Dorsey and Ellis have the ability to be able to tie up both the center and the guard, leaving Richardson or Burgess one on one with the tackle, and giving Howard or Morrison the chance to shoot through the gaps…
March 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
the raiders have signed gray to a 3 year contract. they are close to a deal in aqquiring chad johnson. stay tuned. and about the jamarcus rumors, he currently is weighing in at 255 pounds.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Good Debates guys…..We all know this much.
Its going to boil down to possibly 4 Defense Players
or
1 Offense Player
Defense
C.Long
V.Gholston
G.Dorsey
S.Ellis
Offense
D.McFadden
I just cannot envision us picking up Jake Long after Cable’s comment in the combine. He practically assured that Jake will not be taken.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
ellis and dorsey are not nose tackles. They are both 3-technique guys like Warren Sapp. What we need are big run-stuffing DT’s that tie up blockers, like Red Bryant, Pat Sims, Okam, Dre Moore. These guys are available later in the draft. Great DE’s on the other hand are not that plentiful after the first round.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
the giants have not been conistent, they have been sporatic for a long time, NE and IND have been consistently great, the giants were great for one month and suddenly a DE must be more valuable than a QB, the patriots were forced to pass because the giants scored on the pats’ aging worn down defense, and the giants could pin their ears back and tear the O a new one, because NE had to pass, and it was the giants O that forced the pats O to pass, and the D reaped the rewards, and let’s not forget that the pats were one play away from being universally considered as the greatest team in NFL history, and they’re an offensive football team, your letting the media dictate your belief, when again, more often then not, they’re wrong
March 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Tommy Trojan probably made the best observation in post 472 and Oakglen picked up on it in post 479: the best defense is a good offense.
The storyline since the end of the season is that the Raiders problems were caused by the defense, and Rob Ryan is primarily to blame. This story has been pushed by Kiffin himself, his sympathizers in the media, and by the general Al Davis haters who see Ryan as “Al’s guy” and therefore shift their hatred to Ryan.
But like Tommy Trojan and Oakglen point out, if an offense can’t score points, the defense can’t be aggressive. When you’re always behind, the front seven can’t pin their ears back and go after the quarterback and the secondary can’t take risks.
So, I went back to every Raider game this year and looked at how many points they scored in the first half. Keep in mind that some of the points were caused by K.Morrison or T.Howard interceptions for TDs or turnovers that resulted in easy field goals.
Here are he results:
Raiders First Half Points
gm01 vs Det - 0 points
gm02 at Den - 3 points
gm03 vs Cle - 16 points
gm04 at Mia - 14 points
gm05 at SD - 7 points
gm06 vs KC - 0 points
gm07 at Ten - 9 points
gm08 vs Hou - 0 points
gm09 vs Chi - 3 points
gm10 at Min - 19 points
gm11 at KC - 6 points
gm12 vs Den - 14 points
gm13 at GB - 7 points
gm14 vs Ind - 7 points
gm15 at Jax - 3 points
gm16 vs SD - 10 points
No matter how you look at it, this is TERRIBLE and unacceptable. There is no way you can win games if you can’t score points in the first half, and you can’t blame Ryan for not scoring any points in the first half. Kiffin has to take some of the blame.
So, for this team to win, there needs to be big improvement on the offense and the defense. Keep this in mind when you feel the urge to hero-worship Kiffin and blame Ryan for all the problems.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Defense almost always wins championships…
Our defenses during the ’70s and ’80s, the Steel Curtain, Dallas’ Doomsday Defense, Da Bears of the ’80s, the Bills during their Super Bowl runs, the Ravens, the Bucs, the Pats, the Colts…
March 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
bart bridge you’re right, but for the time being, we have a great DE and this may be our last chance to get a player such as mcfadden, which is both a good thing and a bad thing, but a grea RB makes a greater impact on a team’s record than a DE, look at the vikings, they have no DE at all, but they nearly made the playoffs behind AP
March 11th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
bart bridge balla,
Exactly regarding DE’s being more valuable than DT’s overall.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Steel Curtain Had Bradshaw, Swann, Franco Harris, Dallas had Aikman,Smith and Mr party @ WR Bills had Kelly , Thomas etc. Offence helps the D
March 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
those teams also are accompanied by good O’s and the D’s look better because it is the O’s that make the opponent’s O’s one dimensional, the short sighted person see’s it simply as O v. D, ignoring the relationship between the two, all of the teams you mentioned, that won consisently, had very good O’s, i am not going to list the offensive skill position players and OL for each team because i don’t have that much time
March 11th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
can you imagine a RB like mcfadden in our ZBS?
with his explosion to get to the 2nd and 3rd levels?
WOW!
Once again the Raiders draft board should be this IMO.
1.Gholston
2.C Long
3.McFadden
4.Dorsey
March 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
The 3 most valuable positions in all of FB are 1.QB 2.OT and 3.DE, it’s no coincidence that the 1st 2 are offensive players, i played D in HS, and so did everyone else in my family, so in a way, i’m actually trivializing myself for suggesting the superiority of O over D, but it’s true
March 11th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
and i see the draft board as
1.McFadden
2.Gholston
3.Long
4.Ellis
5.Clady(not that the 5th player is significant on our board but it’s a possible, however unlikely, curve ball)
and i make these choices not because the so called “experts” claim that certain players are the best but because these players will have the greatest impact on the success of our team in that order
March 11th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Excellent observations, Pirate…it’s good to see rational discourse return to the blog…
March 11th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Very convincing material from both Tommy Trojan and Pirate Arrgggghhhhh!
So why do you guy think we locked up Fargas, Rhoades and Bush???
Doesnt this signal that we are content with our RB corp?
March 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
it signals hat we are about to release jordan because he is overpaid and injury prone, and that the organization is aware that you need depth at RB when you run 30+ times a game, as we learned last year with nearly every RB being injured
March 11th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Sorry…didn’t mean to oversimplify, but I guess I’ve always been a fan of being the “hitter” and not the “hittee…” yes, of course you need both–actually all three if we’re really going to analyze a football team correctly (offense, defense, special teams)…I guess I’m just really tired of seeing LT and LJ (and guys like Chester Taylor–WHO DA F##K was Chester Taylor BEFORE WE RAN INTO HIM?!?!) run ALL OVER US…
Btw…Chester Taylor’s best game of the year this past season was against who-know-who…STOP THE RUN!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
tommy trojan,
see if the pick is gholston or c long…then we can take a look at the best available WR who i think we should take Doucet if he is there (because him and Jmarc played at LSU together)Doucet is strong quick and can run all the routes IMO. Plus he likes to block. Or we can look at the best OLT for the ZBS system (maybe Anthony Collins) if they choose not to take a WR in round 2 then there should be some in round 4 (assuming we don’t get a 3rd rounder)
if the pick is Mcfadden then the pick in round 2 will surely be a DT or DE. Maybe Laurence Jackson will fall to round 2 but i doubt it.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
speaking of mean hitters I hope we take a look at picking Zbikowski in round 5 if he is there.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Have any of u guys taken a look a raiderfans.net??? The members on that site are a bunch of cry baby’s. There is one guy named hitman who looks for everything negative Raiders. Sounds just like maddenraider here. No way these 2 are Raider fans unless they suffer from 24hr pms.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
#561 YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
DOOOOOOO!
March 11th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
POSTED 9:39 p.m. EDT, March 10, 2008
RUMOR OF RUSSELL WEIGHT GAIN DISPUTED
In response to our posting of a rumor from Don Banks of SI.com that Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell is closing in on 300 pounds, a league source says that Russell isn’t close to 300 pounds, and that his weight is south of 275.
Russell’s listed weight is 255.
Last year, Russell caused a mini-stir at the Scouting Combine when he weighed in at a flabby 265 pounds.
*****
I suppose if one is going to chase down rumors, PFT.com would be one reliable source to “confirm or deny” them…
March 11th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Guys stop convincing me already. I am starting to like Tommy’s draft board at least pegging Gholston at second.
More I do my research and factoring in our 1st Half Point Production (Thanks Pirate)the more I see the need for a game changer on the offense. I mean forget about helping out the Defense. Nobody mentioned what it would do to our passing attack. I’ll take Nasty on Offense too…shoot I’ll take Nasty on both sides of the ball…I just want the Nastiness back in the Black Hole!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
These are the NFL #’s for 2008.As you can see a premium is put on a QB,Corner,DE, We have the first 2.Logic says we go DE with our first pick. But is AL logical? Logic said we should have taken Leinert over Huff (according to NFL value) but we know how that turned out.If C.Long is there Al will take him if not the choice will be D-Mac JMOA
Cornerbacks
Franchise tender: $9,465,000
Transition tender: $7,659,000
Defensive ends
Franchise tender: $8,879,000
Transition tender: $7,679,000
Defensive tackles
Franchise tender: $6,363,000
Transition tender: $5,654,000
Linebackers
Franchise tender: $8,065,000
Transition tender: $7,335,000
Safeties
Franchise tender: $4,396,000
Transition tender: $3,893,000
Punters/kickers
Franchise tender: $2,514,000
Transition tender: $2,245,000
Running backs
Franchise tender: $6,538,000
Transition tender: $5,699,000
Quarterbacks
Franchise tender: $10,730,000
Transition tender: $9,500,000
Offensive linemen
Franchise tender: $7,455,000
Transition tender: $6,895,000
Tight ends
Franchise tender: $4,522,000
Transition tender: $3,733,000
Wide Receivers
Franchise tender: $7,848,000
Transition tender: $6,872,000
March 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
raiderfan.net…what a joke…why pay ANYTHING besides time to get football news???
March 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Hey Jerry,
I just want to thank you for the work you do. As a Raiders fan here on the east coast, it is hard keeping up with the little notes on the team and then when I do hear something, it is always with a negative connotation.
We know you have a life outside of Raider reporting but we’re fanatics and sometimes we forget about the guy giving us the news. We just want our Raiders info.
Take care and again, THANK YOU
Raider fan in Clearwater, fl
March 11th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
i would be happy with gholston or long, more importantly than mcfadden i am advocating LT in the 2nd, and we should avoid DT at #4, DTs are common later in the draft, great RBs and DEs are not, a good LT opens up more opportunities on O, it allows it allows you to pass without fear of being sacked(42 timeseven with RBs and TEs in to block) rather than run on every down(30+ times/game), all of your weapons to be utilized rather than being left in to block, and it allows the QB to stand up and get the ball to the weapons
March 11th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Jerry Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
the raiders have signed gray to a 3 year contract. they are close to a deal in aqquiring chad johnson. stay tuned. and about the jamarcus rumors, he currently is weighing in at 255 pounds.
*****
Where was this info found?
March 11th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Evening..
Trojan mentioned something interesting..
Most of us agree that the team should be on the rise and there is a decent chance we are looking at our last top 10 pick for the next few years.
This is important because a weapon such as McFadden will never be available outside the top 10 picks, and I´m stretching it.
When you take a look at last season´s final standings, you can see that a 7-9 record can leave you anywhere between the 9th and 15th pick, an 8-8 record and you might be choosing 19th like Philly will in this Draft.
So, if we can win 3 or 4 more games, which seems reasonable, and finish with a 7-9 or 8-8 record, that means we will be picking anywhere from 9th to 19th.
That means we will be looking at the second tier of prospects, the elite ones will be long gone.
Point is, McFadden may be the last chance we have to grab an elite prospect, maybe we should just swallow hard and take him.
March 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Hmmm…we resign BOTH Fargas and Rhodes, Bush and Jordan are still around (Jordan’s days are clearly numbered), and Al decides to go for DMac anyway?!? Over the need to get either a DT or DE?
I still hold fast to either Dorsey or Ellis, but hey, it IS Al’s team…hopefully some deal is being put together right now that will send Jordan and / or others / draft picks to address the team needs so they can go for DMac…
Interesting point on elite prospects, Bob Marley…I’m assuming by your argument that DTs and DEs aren’t held in the same regard by you…I would counter by saying maybe we should just swallow hard and take Dorsey or Ellis…
March 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Any word from Kiffin?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
not just 7-8 wins, i believe that under the draft i am advocating that we will win 9-10 games(otherwise i wouldn’t be advocating it), we a alented defense, it’s being underutilized because our style(and caliber) of offense does not mesh with our defensive scheme, which is geared to stop the pass, it’s easier to change an offensive philosophy than a defensive because one offensive player can completely change the dynamics of an offense, the same can seldom be said of a single defensive player
March 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
“We know that the Kiff-ster almost certainly wants out, or else he’d have stepped up to the podium at some point in the intervening months of rumors and outright guffaws, and actually, you know, said so….
….Like it or not (and I know Al does not like it), in the NFL, the head coach is the face of the franchise…
…You’ve got the owners meetings coming up at the end of this month–a great, easy platform for coaches to spill happy, no-pressure PR. Lane was a star there last year.
Will Al go into that with Lane hanging on the edge? Will he bother to bring Kiffin? Will Kiffin have to pay his own way? Will Kiffin go to the press availability wearing a Buccaneer shirt?…
…Whose system will Al be drafting to fit? His own? Kiffin’s? James Lofton’s?…
…My guy Jerry Mac says JaMarcus hasn’t been spotted at the Raiders complex recently. I don’t blame JR–working out… for who? To do what?”
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/03/11/10-reasons-al-davis-has-to-pull-the-trigger-on-lane-kiffin-by-next-week/
March 11th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
DTs are not very valuable and many supposed elite DT prospects end up as journeyman if not complete busts, many late rnd picks/undrafted FAs end up as solid, quality DTs, DEs are valuable, and so are elite RBs, DEs are valuable because they are rare, and although about 5 are taken in the 1st in most years, there are so few elite DEs, because so many are busts, there are very few RBs taken in the top 10, yet when one is, they end up as pro bowlers and all pros, it is safer to go with the elite RB than a DL in the 1st rnd, and almost always safer to go with O over D
March 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
It’s repost and paste time kiddies. Just skip em and enjoy the great posts that have been going on all afternoon. It’’s spring and time for weeding out the garden. Ignore MR posts and you’ll all be fine!
March 11th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
“…the good teams say that it’s incredibly important to get the work done in February and March–the team-building, classwork, loose atmosphere work that builds cohesiveness.
The Raiders don’t have that. They’re guaranteed not to have that in 2008, with the QB not around and the coach who knows where…
…Al, you need to sell some tickets. You’ve tested your most loyal fans for a long time. But now? Who’s supposed to invest hundreds of dollars into your brand… when you’re telling your fans that you don’t like the person most identified with the daily branding?…
…If Al lets Kiffin talk–still sort of the Raiders coach–think of the damage that Kiffin can do.
He’s a smart guy. He has played it right. He’ll probably keep playing it right… and that is not good news for Davis.
Kiffin will get sympathy. He will get support. Then at some point, he’ll walk or get fired, and Al will be sitting there, not talking.”
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/03/11/10-reasons-al-davis-has-to-pull-the-trigger-on-lane-kiffin-by-next-week/
March 11th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
DesertRaider
We re-signed Fargas, Rhodes only re-structured his deal. And we just don´t know about Bush, if the team passes on DMAC, maybe it means Bush is healthy and showing promise.
And Minny had Chet Taylor and Mewelde Moore when they took AP, you could say they equal Fargas and Rhodes.
As far as elite prospects, I actually don´t hold RB´s as high as DL, that´s what I meant by ‘’swallow hard”.
It´s just that DMAC can potentially be one of the top weapons from the RB position in the league, a game breaker.
Meanwhile, Ellis and Dorsey will surely be good players, but do either of them project as a dominant inside force? and are they that much better value at 4th than the rest of DT´s available later on?.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
# raideralex99 Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
“Good call oakglenn … lets discuss football … Raider football.
What’s the number #1 need for the Raiders??”
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For Al Davis to resolve the situation with Lane Kiffin (which would mean letting Kiffin fire Rob Ryan).
March 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
RBs are not as valuable as DEs, elite RBs are, and the only players that make more of impact on a team than an elite RB does are elite LTs and elite QBs, value isn’t dictated by how rare a prospect is but by the impact the player makes on your team
March 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Sean Salisbury Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Oakglenn,
There is one cure for getting rid of trolls like Maddenraider and Alameda Insider:
Require registration with a valid e-mail address on the site.
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I’m all for it, Salisbury. The problem with that is; How would people then be able to post under multiple names pretending to be more than one person disagreeing with me? (like that crowd that seems to follow Oakglenn around..) And also, how would people be able to post racist drivel under my screen name? The registration wouldn’t hurt me, one bit. Jerry, mods, count me in for a registration system. I’m all for it.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
we think we have an elite QB and we can get an elite RB in mcfadden and an elite LT in sam baker, the DL can wait until day 2 and the 2nd stage of FA, which isn’t over
March 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
i would be happy with a registration, as long as the site remained free, i’m not paying for this, i’m already sacrificing time, which i think i’ve spent enough of for one day
March 11th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Reka5matic Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 11:23 am
All these mongering-rumors are BS, Kiffin is not speaking for himself probably because of team issues he’s more concerned about, we all know that a stupid interview from Kiffin about addressing the rumors isn’t gonna win us a championship/superbowl ..
………………..
I agree with that, regarding Kiffin addressing the supposed resignation letter, etc. But how about addressing the free agent signings? We’ve made some big moves. I saw a picture in the Sporting News of Andy Reid and one of their acquisitions (Samuels?). Have we seen anything like that with Kiffin, yet? Kiff and Wilson shaking hands? Kwame Harris? Javon? Just a word about them? A comment? Nothing. Just crickets. It doesn’t sound to me like Kiffin is going to be around very long.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
This might have already been mentioned but I think this guy may be worth a look. I’m curious to know whether he fits the cut blocking scheme or not. Anybody know? Funny thing is..USC boy Ryan Kalil, who most coveted this last draft is the guy replacing him.
PFT.com
POSTED 5:55 p.m. EDT, March 11, 2008
PANTHERS HACK HARTWIG
The Carolina Panthers have continued to move toward a dramatically revamped offensive line in 2008 with the release of starting center Justin Hartwig.
The move was first reported by Steve Reed of CarolinaGrowl.com and confirmed by Charles Chandler of the Charlotte Observer. The Panthers had signed Hartwig to a five-year, $17 million contract in 2006, after he spent the first four seasons of his NFL career with the Titans. The move creates more than $2.15 million in 2008 cap room. Hartwig most likely will be replaced in the starting lineup by Ryan Kalil, a second-round draft pick in 2007.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
# Hobs Gnarly Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Badmoodguy
Half the fun of this blog is arguing with people, MR and AI don’t bother me one bit, I enjoy going mano y mano with anyone. Why have a moderator?
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Now I like this guy’s style ^^^. And, I tend to be of that same school of thought. Let the points and positions speak for themselves; Let them be the name and face of a person. But since so many people here are convinced it’s me who’s doing most of the trolling (I’d like to see Marley’s “evidence”, considering that a matching IP address is the only possible evidence there is, and he doesn’t have access to mine), I’ll be the first one to step up and vote for a registration system. But why do I get the feeling that if we do have a registration system, it will be the Davis defenders who are most hurt by it, because they will no longer be able to power post under different names, pretending to be a large group of people. I mean, look, when like 10 people respond to you at 1 in the morning, all with the same writing style and grammar…
I’d love a registration system. Count me in. I’ve got a feeling that with a registration system, the Davis critics will actually start to have a voice in here, again.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
MaddenRaider - AD may not die for another 5-10 years. Are you going to go on for that long? Thats a long time.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
MaddenRaider - I take that back. I don’t think AD is EVER going to die.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
any1 heard of chris long of uva? miami is gonna trade wit da cowboys and der gonna take dmac. st. luis is gonna take dorsey and atlanta gonna go wit matt ryan. we take long and get a beast. Not to mention the son of howie our best deffensive end eva.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Last post this evening…good night fellas! Sorry for the dispute with TrueRaider…just touched a nerve.
M.I.A. Raiders Board
1. Chris Long
2. Vernon Gholston
3. Darren McFadden
4. Glenn Dorsey
5. Sedrick Ellis
Good Night Fellas!
March 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
WFT are you, or anyone for that matter, doing on this site at 1 in the morning?
March 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Okay, TT, and I’m sure at 1 in the morning you’re in the spa with your three supermodels. Forgive me…
March 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
wow A actual football blog….nice
Tommy, dont care how good the offense is, without a defense that can stop ANYBODY when it counts it meaningless. I agree a great O puts alot of pressure on the other team, but your D has to stop someone sometime, or else its meaningless…see, the greatest show on turf, the lambs could score but won only 1 SB. As far as the MVP…. I think a few have gone to defenders???? maybe Im crazy…ok I am, but I believe defensive players have won the mvp….without looking LT? not sure
March 11th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Tommy it is called time zones. I post from Thailand, we are 11hrs ahead.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
wow a kicker won mvp??? eek 1982
March 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
lol was wrong site bad info
March 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
how bout we go after lito, we could always anotha great corner
March 11th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
but lt won…looks like was a good crazy guess
March 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Full Name: Justin James Hartwig
Born: November 21, 1978
Mankato, MN
Height: 6-4
Weight: 312 lbs. Age: 29
Pos: C
Experience: 6 years
College: Kansas
Drafted: Year:2002 Round:6 Pick:15, Titans
2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 65 | Key
Alert: I
Comment: Hartwig is strong, versatile and fairly athletic. He plays big and could fill in at guard. He has good initial quickness and understands body position and angles. He is smart, instinctive and efficient. He can handle the calls and adjustments on the line. He is a solid technician who can get position and wall off. He stays balanced and in control when slipping off combo blocks to get to the second level. He can short pull, then locate and hit moving targets. He can slide and mirror off short pass sets. He has strong, active hands. He plays with awareness and reacts well to zone dogs and stunts. But Hartwig is tall for a center and doesn’t play with ideal leverage. He isn’t very explosive and fares best using angles instead of drive blocks. He sometimes struggles to maintain pocket depth against bull rushers. He had been durable before spending most of 2006 on injured reserve (groin).
(He seems like a great fit for the cut blocking system)
March 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
time sones is a legit excuse(no that you really need an excuse, it’s your life), but the rest of you must be in the middle of a late night porn fix(no judgement, we’re all dudes…..i think) if your on the internet at 1 in the morning
March 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Raiders | Russell not the guaranteed starter
Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:11:58 -0700
Don Banks, of Sports Illustrated, reports Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell may not be ready to takeover as the starting quarterback permanently, yet. There are rumors that Russell is close to 300 pounds.
wow what bs reporters on kffl….a day late eh, any bad raider news or rumors…print it NOW!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
who thinks jwalker was a good pickup
March 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
POSTED 10:05 p.m. EDT, March 11, 2008
CARTER TO RAIDERS?
At a time when many league observers presume that defensive lineman Kevin Carter eventually will re-sign with the Buccaneers, Carter is throwing the folks in Tampa a curve ball by visiting the Raiders on Wednesday, according to the St. Petersburg Times.
Carter was cut late last month, prior to earning a $2 million roster bonus.
The 13-year veteran has spent two years with the Bucs, and also has played with the Dolphins, Titans, and Rams. He perhaps is best known by football junkies for taking himself out of Super Bowl XXXIV during a last-minute, potential game-tying drive by the Titans — to the amazement of Rams coach Dick Vermeil.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
INTERESTING…
Huff said: ” He isn’t very explosive and fares best using angles instead of drive blocks” about released Center Hartwig. Hmmmm Sounds like a zone blocking fit. Center is a glaring need for us. Hartwig isn’t without his injury issues but his tires aren’t as bare as Newberry’s. Grove hasn’t shown much.
Interesting Part 2 or is it FINALLY?
The Raiders will finally talk with a FA DE on Wed when Kevin Green visits. He’s old but is still good enough that Gruden wants him back. Al would love to have Kiffin call his dad and say, “Sorry pop but we need D-line help…”
And NO I don’t think signing Green means they pass on Chris Long. Neither Green (age) or Burgess (contract, age, injury) are good for more than a year or two.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
JWalker if youve been around this forum was my free agent wish Granted once he was released by the broncos.
My first choice for FA WR.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I think Javon Walker was a good pickup. lst we need someone to stretch the field. 2ndly don’t listen to the media idiots. $30MM of the $55MM is the back 3 year salary. Walker will never see that unless he’s putting up 120 receptions 1800 yards and 25 TD’s per year. 3rd, he is REALLY pissed at Mike Shanahan who basically called him a quitter and wanted him to cut his salary. Look for him to have a big game against a Bronco defense with no pass rush and an aging secondary.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
COW…
good to see you back and i like that you agree with me, post #438 and 439 =)
March 11th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Hope he toasts Champ Bailey Like Porter used to.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
That Monday Night Snow game when Bailey got doo doo’d on by Porter was priceless
March 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
carter would be a big addition, he coul start at DE and also rotate at 3-technique, he may be old but if the last few years are any indication he still has some tread on those tires, it’s nice to see the team is proactive in addressing our greatest needs
March 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
jamarcus russel 300 pounds???? arent those the rumors that were going around last year saying he weighd 280… even if he is 300 pounds he can go from QB to DT haha jk
March 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
in carolina they didn’t play ZCB scheme, but they did in GB, that was why I was pulling for wahle..
March 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
no team plays a ZCB scheme on offense genius
March 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
AI….if it happens ill try and be first to say your right….but for now means nothing, our qb is eating right now and doesnt want to play
March 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
lol
March 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Yes but AI, your claims that Boldin was in Oakland eeting with the Raiders don’t really fly unless everybody involved wanted to go waaay overboard on the tampering violations.
No player or team would rub the tampering rules in the commish’s nose by having a contract player visit. Especially when, as Jerry Mac wrote, there are far more subtle ways to test the water.
Beside, you claimed Berrian and Stallworth were as good as signed too…How much credit do you want if you end up being right ONCE out of all your many wild guesses?
March 11th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
What did I say 3 days ago? Boldin and Fitgerald AREN’T coming here.
March 11th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
AI…
we’ll see, I still doubt that we end this month with Javon, Drew Carter AND Boldin
March 11th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Boldin isn’t coming here. Al has no trade leverage. The Cards will want in the neighborhood of at least a second round pick.
We are already short two picks this year.
A team like Dallas has extra picks to play with. They’re far more likely.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
in post #629 I mean.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
AI: “Hey COW, if that is your real name”
yeah he is batisted Coach on wheels, his mother loved that name, come on, what are you thinking
March 11th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Good evening Jerry Mac
March 11th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
What would it take to get boldin anyways, and is he worth it?
March 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Or Philly, COW, who are REALLY looking for playmakers and they have extra picks. Plus, Andy Reid is REALLY BIG on not developing recievers. Kind of a match made in heaven right there.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Zone Cut Block = ZCB
it is not the same thing
March 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Snake, Anquan Boldin is fantastic. Possession guy, Pro Bowler after the ‘06 season, puts his #’s up, never complains on a bad team, everything you want in a guy. He’s just not coming here. But believe me, I’d love to have him.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Coach if it’s about the Raiders, it’s on topic.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
is it me or there some editing going on?
If its you Jerry McD whos visiting, then thanks for you good work, no need for your apology, you deserve a life. you are by far the best raiders source!
March 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Wow!! the mods ARE HERE!!! Everyone look busy!
March 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
I did’nt think calling someone a tool which actually deserves it would get bleeped.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
ALL power to the MODS!
March 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Saint, I thought you had the best comment of the evening. Unfortunatley it got nixed. Don’t worry, I’m up there pretty high in the deleted and edited column.
March 11th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Where´s everyone?.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
waiting for you to write something =)
March 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
So whats new with the Raiders? Heard Kevin Carter is getting a look, makes sense, a washed up d-lineman with nothing left, looking for one last payday, perfect fit for Al.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
here is my top 5 board for the raiders this draft.
Chris long
Vernon gholston
Glenn dorsey
Keith Rivers
Sedrick ellis
with the number 4 pick i would take chris long 1st bt if he is not there then take gholston and if he’s off the board then i would like to trade down if any teams are interested
March 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
what the heck is it going to take to land either Bryant Johnson and/or DJ Hackett….
talk about dragging ass….why haven’t we just signed them both and be done with the position for the next 2 years or so…when they “Rockstar Redshirts” start filtering into the draft…
this could be that chance to totally eliminate a need in this years draft…also anyone think that Brandon Chillar should be in S & B…to compete with Robert Thomas and Sam Williams…that is…unlesss he is signed by Denver…the LB black hole….
March 11th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Has Gray signed? I hadnt heard so. I still think the best idea is cut Russell, he will be a bust, and draft Ryan.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I threw this out the other day. Now this isn’t me but the rumour going around is #4 overall PLUS Andrew Walter to Miami for #1 overall. Personally, I don’t know if I would do this BUT, if you are a Chris Long guy, and I am, it would be the only way to get him. Miami gets the QB they need, plus another position. Don’t worry about the $$$ considerations. what do all of you say???
March 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
I obviously want Kiffin to stay, but if Al fires him is Jim Harbaugh a possible candidate?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7891078/20-Questions:-Coaches-on-the-verge-of-stardom
Just curious what others think of this article?
March 11th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
We’ll get what we need count on it. And that player who someone said we dn’t need in the second rnd. dn’t be surprised if he’s a raider come draft day.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I say Gholston at #4 if he doesn’t go to St Louis.
I really, really want DMac and up until Rhodes reduced his salary was totally set for drafting him.
Now we have Fargas, Rhodes, Bush, Joe, & Lee and there would be no room for DMac unless a draft day trade was made.
Gholston could totally play right DE and befuddle the opposing LT’s like Ware/Merriman have been doing.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Tom Flores…
I’ve been hoping we’ll get Chillar, he is a californian btw so you should think he still has some family here…
I think he could be our MLB, but I think he’ll end up in Green Bay
March 11th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
well DSM, he used to work here. He’s at Stanford right now, so….believe me if anything happened, which I don’t think it will, the Raiders have back up plans and options, Harbaugh being one of them. Plus, Jimmy Harbaugh coached my guy Josh Johnson the QB from University of San Diego!!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I JUST FINISHED READING WAR AND PEACE! Hallelujah, holy shite, where’s the Tylenol!
Three months and 1386 pages! I am now going to relax my mind by reading some Dean Koontz, Greg Illes, Stephen King, Robert Harris, Nelson DeMille or Bernard Cornwell.
GO RAIDERS!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
After going back and reading different posts, does anyone here actually believe our backups are going to be really good and focus on that?
McCown was signed last year and we hoped to keep him around. We aren’t hoping for a starting QB, just someone to work with Russell and help develop him, but at the same time fully capable of starting a game or two but nothing more.
Quinn Gray, Kevin Carter, and any other role/bench player we sign is for depth and on the cheap.
We obviously need depth along the D line while we bring in other players via FA, the draft, and undrafted college FA’s this year.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Kevin Carter would lend some vet leadership not much else.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
BHP: I agree and he would be cheap enough for a year or two and could play Sapp type # of plays.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Dear Mod, can you please edit post #654 and place a question mark after “Tylenol” instead of the exclamation point? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
GO RAIDERS!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
I just dont see this and signing a #1 two years straight is serious jack! Miami drafted Beck last year and signed McCown what do they want with Walter ? I like Walter and he is a victim of Art Shell & Walsh but he isnt proven enough for Miami to go after him but I cant believe Parcells signed McCown either so I guess anything is possible..
# Oakglenn Says:
March 11th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I threw this out the other day. Now this isn’t me but the rumour going around is #4 overall PLUS Andrew Walter to Miami for #1 overall.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Mista they know Beck isn’t the answer and we all know about McCown. Now don’t get me wrong, I like Walter, he just doesn’t fit what we do here. It makes sense for Miami, don’t worry again about the $$$, does it make sense for us??? We would get chris long, conceivably.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
good to see maddenraider back. bye, cya!
March 11th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
How do they know Beck isnt the answer he started 1 game with a horrible team. They passed on Brady and snatched Beck in round 2 and you give up on him after 1 start? If Walter was a proven NFL Qb I could see it.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
maddenraider we’ll find who you are. posting that garbage is not very smart. it’s now time for you to go. bye.
March 11th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
It is no use Mista. We may have to move over to Realfootball365, They recently implemented a registration process. I guess their tech guys are a little smarter than the guys at ibabuzz.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
see ya tomorrow. my day is done here.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Sure is La Mil,…some loser no doubt,..likely maddenraider…I think hes a nig,..I mean I think hes black,..that would explain it. I heard the Trib is real close to closing down this blog,..oh please, say it isnt so…
March 11th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
i think my draft board at this point is:
1. DE C.Long - I saw the production in college but I really thought he was just a hyped overachiever due to his HOF father. Then I watched him at the combine and he is superior athlete. I also see him as a strong character guy, not a guy who’s going sign a big contract then kick back rollin in the ATL smoking the chronic and flashing the bling bling. That’s important.
2. DE V.Gholston - watch the tape, look at at the combine/pro day numbers. This guy’s a monster, who knows what he’s capable of.
3. RB D.McFadden - he’s got the speed and moves where if a defender blinks an eye, McFadden is past him and running downfield for a touchdown. We’ve got an elite secondary, two great linebackers, some decent DL, though we obviously need help there. Maybe not perfect, but well get by on defenses. But the offense can be a mess. With McFadden, defenses will have to play 8 in the box to contain him, which will open things up for of J.Rus, with J.Walker going downfield, R.Curry finding the soft spots, and Z.Miller getting open all over the field. We’ve got Fargas as a solid backup, M.Bush as a project, and Rhodes is fairly meaningless and can be cut in a heartbeat if we go with McFadden.
I’d be happy with any of these guys.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
And as I’ve said before, I would be the first one in line for a registration system at this blog. We know who’ll really hurt once this blog goes to such a format. Oakglenn will no longer be able to accuse every single person with a realistic view of this organization of being me. I can’t wait till they put up a registration system here, Oak. It’ll be vindication for me.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
There is a possibilty CJ and RW will be available for the right price.
Adam Schefter, NFLN tonight.
We probably dont have any $$$ left.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Pirate, did you get back to me last night?
You said that Kiffin was actually the number two choice between him and Sarkision. Funny, a year ago the Davis crowd was insisting that Kiffin was the first choice, all along. Something about how Al knew the kid had an eye for talent. Something about how Sarkision was never really offered a job, and, what do you know, the press “made that up”. But now you’re saying Kiffin was in fact the second choice.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Following this pattern, Pirate, we should assume that every time a Davis guy says that the press is making something up, that the press is certainly telling it like it is. Fair enough?
March 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Well glad to hear its becoming more of a consensus that DE’s are valuable especially at the high picks and that they will over all improve the wins & losses count at the end of the season, I’ll elaborate on this in a bit. However in our case(Raiders), the two points I have to make in regards to a few comments I’ve since read. DT is our biggest hole bar none! It is just coincidence that the top rated DT’s play the 3 technique ala Sapp & the actual position of need is the Defensive NT.
BART Bridge Balla, made the point earlier #551 and I concur w/ him 100% on some of the two gap NT’s that fit the role and they are all 3rd 4th rounders! So getting back to my 1st point that as we are or should be concerned with this position and quite frankly I believe we DO NOT have a legitimate productive starter at either tackle spot we can greatly assist our D guys by getting DE’s with our first pick Gholston or Long would give us the two book ends needed to orchestrate the 4-3 base defense. I say this still believing that DT are a higher need just that we can address them later in the rounds. If both DE’s are off the board then I say go for DT’s another 3 technique guy wouldn’t hurt us and after tommy kelly there is no depth in this faulty position that is failing the defense as a whole. The only thing here is I personally don’t think Ellis is a 4th overall pick and if Dorsey is also gone I would consider offensive players like J.Long or I hate to say it McFadden(great player but not a position of need)for just one heart beat then I would negotiate a trade down with someone who wants McFadden really bad ala Cowboys & pick up two late 1st round picks and maybe a 5th rounder if Al’s cutting the deal. I’m not going to guess what will happen at that point, I’m just stating early draft strategies that will address the holes in our defense & team as a whole. The 2nd and last point I have is directed at TOMMY TROJAN #546. I disagree with you philosophically when you say the offensive play makers are more important than their defensive counterparts. You make your point that a good offense dictates to a defense and wears them down collectively as they stay on the field. . Yes of what was just stated I agree with the last part in regards to wearing down a defense and it also runs the clock in our favor for time of possession which is critical in the larger scope of the game. The point I’m attempting to debate is when you say TD>sacks/int.’s. In my mind I take an objective look at our team and conclude our defense is closer to being an elite defense than our offense is at being an elite offense in this league. So if we can invest two more players on defensive NT & DE we can translate it to sacks/int.’s>TD as we would then be able to score on both possessions(Off & Def), because they are turnovers and turnovers equal 7 points or a minimum 3. who ever wins the battle of the turnovers usually wins the game. Statistically speaking I too would rather have an elite offense, however two good players don’t make us a great offense. And as for your defense is not and cannot be consistent. They have two line ups which should consist of different players;one for pass rushing(Burgess,Kelly,Warren & Gholston/Long) and one for run stopping(Kelly,Dorsey,Sands & Richardson or 6′5 260 pound LB Sam Williams using the 3-4. This is how they can be consistent through depth at the front four positions.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Obviously you don’t know what you;re doing Maddenraider. Posting hate filled venom on a public site is a crime. And I will make sure you get prosecuted. Bye, MaddenRaider. Bye!!!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
There’s actually a helicopter circling our neighborhood, right now. Wow. Oakglenn wasn’t joking! LOL. Reminds me of that SouthPark episode, as soon as they download a song.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Oak, if you honestly go to the police with what’s been going on in this comments section, they’ll throw you in the mental hospital.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I’d prefer we trade with Dallas for their two firsts and a third, but whatever.
1 Vernon Gholston (or Chris Long)
2 Sam Baker (Id he’s not available here, I hope another promising LT is, so he can compete with Kwame Harris)
4 Frank Okam (he’s like 700 pounds and we need another monster, lane-plugging DT since Kelly is sort of undersized)
6 Dexter Jackson (he’ll probably be gone here, but we need a Kick/Punt returner)
7 Brian Johnston (according to nfldraftdog.com (probably not the most reliable source), this DE is 6′5, 280, and ran a 4.78. If he’s around in the 7th, why the hell not?)
March 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
And Oak, don’t tell them about Montana wanting to play for the Raiders, either. There’s a good chance they’ll just keep you for observation for a couple of days. If you tell them your little Joe Montana story, you’re staying indefinitely.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Pirate the defensive ends would be for us, fantastic. Chris Long really is amazing. Not only as a physical specimen, but his motor just does not stop!! That’s what makes him so special.
LARaider, you guys are smart. Drafting DE would improve our DT’s. It’s true. I think Long and Gholston may go one two tho.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Kevn, no one right now is looking to trade up. Dallas might give us their 2 #1’s 22+28, but not even a third as well. Gholston and Baker would be REALLY solid 1-2.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Maybe not, Oakglenn, but it’s my stated preference all the same.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
OakGlenn if we trade with fins then I would get a healthy Dorsey or Gholston even though it would be really cool to get son of Howie in S & B
Either 3 would be really great! Hope there is some truth to that rumor.
March 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
MaddenRaider:
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no idea who this “Davis crowd” is. I have no idea what this nonsense you are talking about the press is. You are a nuisance and an annoyance. Usually I just skip to the next post whenever I see your name, but for some unfortunate reason I read this particular post so I’m responding to it. So there. That’s my answer: I have no idea what you are talking about (and don’t care to know). Now I’m going back to ignoring you as usual.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
To echo Mistabrown’s statement. Paying a DE the guaranteed jack that #1 would get is ludacris. I’d rather continue the FA spending and fill three needs with depth players that can compete and use our #4 to take a playmaker. Drafting that high is a luxury and a playmaker has to be taken (ala DMAC or Gholston). I would include QB in the mix but we’ve got one.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
As for Andrew Walter (sorry for backing up but I just got on), I’m not convinced he doesn’t fit the system. I remember him being plenty agile in his preseason performance against SF. I know it was only one game but his playing time in normal games didn’t allow him the time to move as Defenses were just coming after him left and right. Our O-line was never going to make time for any QB to move around. I say keep AW and let him show us what he has.
March 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Someone suggested drafting DMAC earlier but it made no sense due to the recent Rhodes restructure as well as the number of RB’s already on the roster. I think it was DSM. Perhaps we could trade Rhodes and Jordan, or Rhodes and Fargas, to Houston and acquire a 2nd and 3rd pick. The asking price seems high but a combination of those two have plenty of history to justify the trade.
This would allow us to draft DMAC, implement Bush, and stockpile much needed picks in early rounds to pick up the OL and DL that we need. I recognize that we’d be going to camp with two RB’s that never saw the field last year but we are rebuilding. Many have suggested us draft Gholston/Dorsey/Ellis with the intentions of starting. I don’t see the RB situation being any different.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Walter can slide in the pocket but he isnt a scrambler, he isnt the statue so many say he is. He is every bit as mobile as Brady and has a similar frame and arm. If he can learn to read def and make quick decisions he will be very solid.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:21 am
New England Head Coach Bill Belichick on Tommy Kelly.:
“Tommy Kelly. is one of the best defensive linemen in the league. He’s an outstanding player…Kelly plays everywhere. He’s a little bit like Howie Long in that Howie Long was a guy that they would move along on the front. They would take Howie and mismatch him against whoever they thought the other team’s worst lineman was. There is a little bit of that with Tommy Kelly., too, find a guy that they want to go after and stick him there because he does have the flexibility to play outside and inside. He can pretty much play across the board. He can do everything. Play the run, rush the passer, he’s good in pursuit. He’s a very physical player. He’s pretty good.”
March 12th, 2008 at 1:05 am
dorsey, gholston or DMAC baby!!
March 12th, 2008 at 1:17 am
i agree with the gholston pick and maybe the damc, but im not sold on dorsey. i think he’s overrated!
March 12th, 2008 at 3:22 am
We are going to get the choice of Dorsey, Ellis or both.
The first question is whether we can go into next season with Kelly, Sands, Warren and Josh Shaw as our 4 DTs?
So much depends on whether Sands failings last season can be addressed and he can return to the form of 2006.
If the answer is no, we move to the second question: Do we draft Dorsey or Warren in the first, or wait until the 2nd or 4th?
In the 2nd we would have the choice of:
Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina Sr, 6-5, 295
Pat Sims, Auburn Jr, 6-4, 315
Trevor Laws, Notre Dame Sr, 6-1, 295
Dre Moore, Maryland Sr, 6-4, 311
Frank Okam, Texas Sr, 6-5, 320
Red Bryant, Texas A&M Sr, 6-5, 324
These are all very reasonable prospects, but I still think it would be very hard to pass up Sam Baker or another of the excellent crop of OTs.
Which leaves the 4th round, where we may get a shot at:
Marcus Harrison, Arkansas Sr, 6-3, 310
DeMario Pressley, NC State Sr, 6-3, 291
Andre Fluellen, Florida State Sr, 6-4, 285
B.J. Raji, Boston College Sr, 6-1, 340
I like Marcus Harrison and he would be an upgrade on Josh Shaw. Raji is huge but is very unfinished.
So, I think we could take a risk and draft:
1) DE: Vernon Gholston or Chris Long
2) OT: Sam Baker or Anthony Collins
4) DT: Marcus Harrison or B J Raji
March 12th, 2008 at 3:31 am
Mr. Scottish—I could easily live with your “take a risk scenario. But what about WR? What’s your plan there? To keep going after some FA’s and then some retreads that get cut?
That would be ok with me, because no WR we draft this year will be able to step in and do anything major any way.
March 12th, 2008 at 3:56 am
Moving on to Rounds 6 and 7.
Javon Walker’s signing removes the need to draft a WR on Day 1. This year’s class is very deep and there will be some strong prospects available at the start of the 6th:
Adrian Arrington, Michigan Height: 6-2. Weight: 203.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48. Caught 40 passes for 544 yards and eight touchdowns in 2006.
Kenneth Moore, Wake Forest: Height: 5-10. Weight: 195.
Combine 40 Time: 4.47.
Marcus Monk, Arkansas: Height: 6-4. Weight: 222.
Combine 40 Time: 4.57. Had 50 receptions and 11 TDs in 2007.
Ernie Wheelwright, Minnesota: Height: 6-4. Weight: 215. Pro Day 40 Time: 4.50. 66 receptions for 775 yards and nine touchdowns in 2007.
Darius Reynaud, West Virginia: Height: 5-9. Weight: 201. Combine 40 Time: 4.47. 64 catches, 733 yards and 12 TDs.
Dorien Bryant, Purdue: Height: 5-9. Weight: 175.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.44.
Maurice Purify, Nebraska: Height: 6-3. Weight: 224.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53. 34 receptions for 630 yards and 7 TDs,including 7 passes for 80 yards against USC.
Marcus Henry, Kansas: Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Combine 40 Time: 4.50. 46 receptions, 885 yards and 7 TDs.
Arrington (like Purify) will be downgraded due to off-the-field issues, but he has real talent. I really like Wheelwright, he and Monk, both suffered through lousy QBs and good be under-rated. Marcus Henry isn’t very quick but is tough, smart and a good size.
In Round 7, I would be very tempted to take a QB who we could develop as JR’s long-term back-up. It would also give JR a practice-mate of the same age. I no longer think that Matt Flynn will be around in the 7th but there are likely to be some reasonable prospects still around:
Paul Smith, Tulsa - he’s smallish, only 6-1/208, but is accurate and smart.
Ricky Santos, New Hampshire - didn’t play at the top level but racked up impressive numbers. Could be anything.
Anthony Morelli, Penn State - immature, moody but has a great arm and could make a fine QB if he sorts himself out.
Kyle Wright, Miami - hero to zero, but he can’t really be judged
March 12th, 2008 at 3:58 am
On topic of JR, who cares if he weighs 300lbs now, as long as he doesn’t for the season and I am not a big JR fan yet. I am more worried about him being a bust in ways other than his weight.
On subject of this blog, I am of the mind that if people are so thin skinned that they can’t have fun with someone they deem a troll because of them pointing out Raider “issues” then I guess they should start a knitting club or something to do rather than have faith that Raider Nation can be strong and opinionated and still be fans.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:01 am
cont’d
Kyle Wright, Miami - hero to zero, but he can’t really be judged too harshly given the desperate state of Miami’s program.
So, Scottish’s latest Raider Mock is:
1) Chris Long DE
2) Sam Baker OT
4) Marcus Harrison DT
6) Adrian Arrington WR
7) Kyle Wright QB
4 likely starters and a QB of real potential.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:02 am
I am not sure the Raiders can draft a WR they sure haven’t had any luck with it.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Five WR’s drafted since 2005 and how many TE’s and who do we have to show for it other than Miller and I like Madsen too but who ever is scouting these guys are not cutting it with the parameters Al gives them.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:07 am
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/teams/teamdraft.php?teamid=23
March 12th, 2008 at 4:24 am
look at the WR’s on roster now and with the exception of Javon and Higgins none of them are high draft picks, listen Al Jerry Rice only comes around once in a blue moon.
Will Buchanon- undrafted FA
Curry round 7
Dwight undrafted FA
Higgins Round 3
Holland Round 7
James undrafted FA
McFoy undrafted FA
Walker Round 1 FA
Watkins Round 7 by Arizona
March 12th, 2008 at 4:25 am
Did the wind blow everyone in the UK off this site? Hellooooo?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:27 am
Hobs,
Because we tend to draft WRs with great measurables but ordinary game-stats (Francis, Holland, Buchanon, etc.). I think we should focus on those WRs who have proved they can perform on match-days. That is why I like the Marcus Henry-type prospects.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:32 am
Maybe but if we are going to draft a WR it needs to be a high profile one because second day drafts are typically busts for them. That being said there are some worth taking a second day pick on, like Will Franklin if he lasts and admittedly he had a heck of a combine.
March 12th, 2008 at 4:56 am
WR - Robert Jordan from Cal
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/12/SP3NVHTT1.DTL
March 12th, 2008 at 5:04 am
JORDAN SHOWED WHY HE NEVER WAS A STARTER IN HIS NFL CARRER AND RHODES IS RIGHT BEHIND HIM. TAKE MC FADDEN AND LET HIM RUN WILD WITH THE BALL AND SHOW HIS WORTH.
DUMP JORDAN AND LET FARGAS AND MC FADDEN LEAD THE WAY.
WE NEED MAKE SURE THAT RUSSELL CAN THORW THE BALL BEFORE WE WORRY ABOUT WHO WILL CATCH IT.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:11 am
Gholston round 1 early doucet round 2
March 12th, 2008 at 5:11 am
Smalls that’s a two way street, a QB has to have talented receivers to throw to. I think Walter is talented so there is insurance there because I too am not sold on Russell
March 12th, 2008 at 5:14 am
Did you know that Fargas was very comparable to McFadden at the combine? Look it up, I posted the website in post 276. We don’t need Dmac.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:24 am
I like Russell but he needs someone to be with him at all times a mentor and a personal trainer maybe hire Gannon to help him look at film and show him how to work out as far as Q/B go.They dont just bench press their workouts are different and Gannon knew how to do it
March 12th, 2008 at 6:31 am
“Russell needs omeone to be with him at all times”….WHY? Because everyone is worried about the typical little “stereotypes” that he’s into his bling, $, etc, etc. do we hear this about Brady Quinn? Trent Edwards? Like JR can’t be responsible without someone around him. All these little idiosyncracies kill me that people place on this guy, I wonder why…and, see James Lofton is already interacting with players better than Kiffin…I can’t believe some of you believe in this little arrogant, spoiled, socially awkward Kiffin
March 12th, 2008 at 6:45 am
I am saying that is a lot of money for a youngster more than Quinn or Edwards besides Russell is the Raiders investment they should do what they can to protect it.Now i am not saying i believe what is said about him but at the same time give your 10 year old a $100 bucks see if they make the right choice they will spoil themselves with BK or Wendy’s or candy it’s just what happens i dont want to see him fail so surround him with positive influences and maybe he wont start a dog fighting ring
March 12th, 2008 at 6:58 am
HEY GET READY FOR THE VAUNTED / FEARED / REVOLUTIONARY!
NEW STYLE NFL DEFENSE BEING PERPETUATED BY YOUR HERO ROB RYAN!!! THE
” 3-4/4-3/PERSONEL W/ THE 3 SAFETY/ 2 DL / 2 CORNER / 4 OLBR LOOK / DUAL ROLE SAFETY / MAN UNDER / VARIATION FROM PLAY TO PLAY TYPE DEFENSE “”
NOW THIS NEEDS TIME TO DEVELOP,
YOU ALL MUST BE PATIENT WITH THE MAN !
THE BIG QUESTIONS ARE WHETHER GIBY WILSON CAN PLAY THE ” MLBR ” SPOT THAT RYAN ENVISIONS, ” cause its’ a mismatch ” & HUFF , WHAT DOES HE DO WITH HUFF??
PLAY HIM @ S.S. OR MOVE HIM TO “MLBR” ALSO !! THEN YOU GOT THE LONG/GHOLSTON/DOSEY/ELLIS ISSUE !! DOES LONG MAKE A BETTER SAFTEY ? WHERE HIS SIZE MAKES IT ” MISMATCH”
OR NOSE GUARD , WHERE HIS SPEED MAKE IT A “MISMATCH”
THE SAME WITH DORSEY / ELLIS , WHERE DO THEY PLAY!
THE LINE VS THE RUN , OR THE BACKFIELD @ CORNER VS THE PASS @ 320 LBS CAUSE ITS’ A ” MISMATCH ”
THE TUFF ONE IS GHOLSTON ! A HYBRID SAFETY-MLBR-NOSEGUARD!! PLUS FIELD GOAL KICKER!!! “THE MISMATCH ” WITH HIM IS ALL OVER THE FIELD!! SO LOOK YOU GUYS BETTER JUST BE PATIENT, THIS NEW SYSTEM BY RYAN IS GONNA NEED 4 YEARS AT LEAST B4 RYAN KNOWS WHO CAN PLAY IT & WHO CANT O.K.!!!! NOW EVERYONE JUST LEAVE THE MAN ALONE !!! & LET HIM TO HIS THING!!!
March 12th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Townsend93…
How does your friend Davis70 feel?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Hey,
If by some miracle, the Raiders make the playoffs next year…do you think Rob Ryan will ask the team to shower him with a keg of beer instead of Gatorade???
March 12th, 2008 at 8:11 am
yes
March 12th, 2008 at 8:13 am
I bet RR turns into “Frank The Tank” after he tips a few back.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:13 am
recent article in the SF Chronicle says that Raiders coach- James Lofton attended the CAL Bears Pro Day, no mention of Kiffin…makes you wonder…
Briefly: New wide receivers coach James Lofton attended Cal’s pro day Tuesday along with scout Jon Kingdon. Lofton threw passes to receivers DeSean Jackson, Lavelle Hawkins and Robert Jordan, who is Russell’s cousin, during position drills.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Uh Oh, it’s St. Paddy’s day on Monday. That means RR will be heading out for a bender to end all benders!
March 12th, 2008 at 8:17 am
if the Raiders do select any QB in late in this draft, it will most likely be John David Booty. IMHO
March 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
—”The Arizona Republic’s Kent Somers does not believe WR Anquan Boldin will be traded.
Somers speaks glowing about Boldin, calling him the “soul of the team” and more of a leader than Larry Fitzgerald. When the Cardinals speak to college scouts, they hold up Boldin as the ideal template for players they want. Regardless of trade possibilities, agent Drew Rosenhaus will want a new deal. Mar. 12 - 10:50 a.m. ET”—
So Alemede Insider, do you still believe in you own babble ?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:26 am
JR, why does that make you wonder ? Seems logical to send your WR coach & a scout to scout a WR!
Its called delegating. KIffin is the HC he isnt a scout or position coach. It would make me wonder if Kiffin was sent and Lofton stayed in Alameda..
March 12th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Mistabrown, you are assuming that all Lofton is scouting are WR’s? Why wouldn’t the Head Coach (Kiffin) travel the 10 miles from Alameda to Berkeley to scout all participating players?
Has Lofton been named the WR receiver’s coach? I thought he was in an unamed coaching position.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:33 am
I got the hook-up on Raider throwbacks and track jackets…good prices too…anyone interested?
March 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Head Coaches do perform scouting duties as well, not just assistant coaches and scouts. Heck some owners even attend events such as the combines.
As an aside, Head Coach Herman Edwards attended the CAL Bears Pro Day…
March 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
JR
Go to the official Raiders web site and look up coaching staff
James Lofton Wide Receivers
March 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Right next to the Biog on Kiffin
March 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am
La Milicia Negra, I also heard Anquan Boldin is due only $2mil a yr the next 2yrs. He’ll get a big payday after that or be traded.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Quagmire’d, sure, I see they are selling Javon Walker 84 replica jerseys at $74. Not that I want one of those. Always interested in throwbacks. I got biletnikoff to sign a throwback this last summer.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
JR, Im assuming that because he is fact the WR coach. Why send a defensive or special teams coach if the only target from Cal is a WR ? Think man..
FYI…Herm Edwards is a joke.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Why would they only be targeting a WR from CAl? CAL had 19 players there.
But my point is Kiffin news is no where to be found.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Jerry, when will the 2008 season kickoff? Are the RAIDERS playing on September 7th?
Dave NYC
March 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am
This is from post #553,
Here are he results:
Raiders First Half Points
gm01 vs Det - 0 points
gm02 at Den - 3 points
gm03 vs Cle - 16 points
gm04 at Mia - 14 points
gm05 at SD - 7 points
gm06 vs KC - 0 points
gm07 at Ten - 9 points
gm08 vs Hou - 0 points
gm09 vs Chi - 3 points
gm10 at Min - 19 points
gm11 at KC - 6 points
gm12 vs Den - 14 points
gm13 at GB - 7 points
gm14 vs Ind - 7 points
gm15 at Jax - 3 points
gm16 vs SD - 10 points
The #’s dont lie we need offensive weapons,Walker was a good pickup,and can streatch the field as well if he can stay healthy,although I like are Rb’s we dont have any with the game changing plays like R-Dmc,Fargas is a pounder 6th yr coming off a knee,Rhodes 8th yr. still not sure why we even signed him,Bush coming off a broken leg,so we still dont know what we have in him Jordan will be gone & Echemandu not to bust on him you can tell me you woundnt want R-Dmc over him,Rhodes was returning kicks tell Fargas got hurt,If you have R-Dmc we could use him like Reggie Bush put him out in the slot and backfield,Dont get me wrong I think the d-line guys in the draft are good,but seems like most take a yr or 2 to develope,by that time we have 2 backs if we keep them with 8-10 yrs,I would rather bring in a couple veteran d-line guys,I think we have some good young guys in Richadson,warren,& Kelly.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Raider TW, these are Mitchell & Ness throwbacks…Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Howie Long…sorry, no Javon Walkers…lol.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:57 am
I am not saying that I believe Jamarcus is 300 lbs, but if he is anywhere over 275 lbs I sure hope we have an out clause in his contract, because that would demonstrate to me that he does not have the work ethic and/or dedication to be a super-star starting QB in the NFL.
March 12th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Rhodes 8th yr. still not sure why we even signed him
—because Fargas is injury prone. Rhodes got 300ys in the last 2 games. If this is another vote for McFad you guys have got to rember that we can’t stop the run & haven’t for 5yrs!!! First rd will NOT be for a RB.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Cal might have had 19 player there but only 3 WR’s were of interest to them. If the Kiffin rumors were real, the Raiders would surely remove his Biog from the web site and just list him as coach.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Herm is pathetic, he’ll ruin the chiefs as he did with Jets, not that i have a problem with it, its just a fact
March 12th, 2008 at 9:01 am
If JaMarcus is nearing 300 Lbs, then it’s clear he been on the “Rob Ryan Diet”
Consisting of Beer, Jack Daniels and Pizza.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am
LMN
He has already ruined them. It went downhill during the training camp TV series.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Glad to see our new head coach was at Cal, checking out draft prospects.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
yup, but I have strong faith that Herm in fact can do worse. After the 2009 season they’ll have one win!
March 12th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Dogg and Mista,
I was happy to see that the Warriors extended Don Nelson’s contract for a couple more years, it means the Lakers will continue to own them for the foreseeable future, lol.
DRAFT MCFADDEN OR CHRIS LONG!
Kiffin, give up, turn in your resignation and try to find another job while there is still time.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am
—”NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports the Bengals still “have no intentions” of dealing Chad Johnson and “aren’t budging.”
The cap hit Cincinnati would take to trade Johnson ($8 million) simply makes a deal unlikely. The team is probably more concerned with getting T.J. Houshmandzadeh extended, then possibly adding to Chad’s deal this summer. Mar. 12 - 12:14 p.m. ET”—
March 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am
FYI, Herm Edwards is a Cal alum. Visiting one’s alma mater in Berkeley beats another wintry day in KC anytime.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am
SHOW ME THE MONEEEEEYYYYY!
March 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Rob Ryan’s Gatorade:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/DES/D780~Jack-Daniel-s-Black-Label-Posters.jpg
March 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/11/SP51VI7IP.DTL
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Guys!!!! Stop with the Jamarcus Russell weight issue.
Read the above link and give it a rest.
He is dedicated and will be ready to go.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Dakota, nobody wants to play the W’s in the playoffs except 1 team and that 1 team is not your Lakers its the Utah Jazz. You dont own anything you dont want to see us in a series and Utah will eliminate you before we have a chance.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
RaiderDell…
who here talks about his weight? or rather who here believed in that rumor?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Dakota
I a little tease here. How could the Lakers lose to the Sacramento Kings 114-113 and lose a game they had to win.
That was an easy win, the Kings are in transition, Artest, is ready to leave and they are in team turmoil.
For the Lakers not to pounce on them shows me they may not have the killer instinct to get through the tough mental part of the playoffs.
You had to win that game.
The Kings are not the spurs or Suns.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
LMN
Post #731, #735
The implication to continue to spread a false rumor just keeps the story alive and growing.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Mistabrown, morning.
Watchin’ the Ws this year is to watch a fearless team. No matter their opponent they are undaunted.They know they can beat anybody. They simply have not figured out Utah yet.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
RaiderDell…
ahh, well since its RRPL, I take it more as Rob Ryan bashing than Jammy bashing =)
March 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am
The extra weight that JaMarcus Russell is carrying is only all of the hopes of the Raider Nation.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Mista,
Lol, Utah? Just because you guys can’t beat Utah (this year or in the playoffs last year) does not mean that the Lakers are going to lose to them, lol. I’ll take the Gasol/Bynum matchup against Boozer/Okur (sp?) any day of the week. Lamar over AK47, Kobe over anyone they play at two…Jazz own us at PG, but Kobe will move over to guard him during crunch time and it will be game over for Utah.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am
RaiderDell…
But I agree, no reason to talk about, because its most likely a lie…again
March 12th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Morning Dell, LMN, Dakota.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am
LMN
RRRPL can critize Rob Ryan all day, that’s fine with me, but to continue to mention any weight issue regarding JR is continuing to spread a false rumor that started with Don Banks at SI is what we all despise as Raider Fans.
By doing so we make that idiot sports writer have truth to what he said.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am
M, morning dude
March 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Rob Ryan hosting one of his “Pizza Parties” last year to reward his defense for all of their hard work:
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2003_Old_School/2003_old_school_002.jpg
March 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
M
Good Morning
March 12th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Dell,
The loss to Sac was bad, but what you need to understand is that the Kings are a team that is just getting healthy, and their record does not reflect their talent level at this time. Not to mention they have beaten the Jazz, Hornets, Pistons and Mavs this year…so they are certainly not pushovers, and a one point loss to them is nothing to hang your heads over….now losing to the Heat or Memphis would be concerning.
GO RAIDERS!
March 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
About Lofton, Kingdon and Sanjay Lal, a Kiffin guy, attending Cal´s workout..
Maybe it was because Kiffin knows all about DeSean Jackson, he was the main recruiter at USC and alomst got the highly coveted Jackson to become a Trojan but he chose Cal at the last minute. He then got to watch him perform in the Pac 10 for 3 seasons.
Kiffin also got to watch Lavelle Hawkins in college and recently coached him at the Senior Bowl.
Anyways, I can see people running away with this bit as proof that Lofton is our HC or will soon be, we know it doesn´t take much. I just think that Knapp would be the one if Kiffin is gone (highly doubtful if you ask me).
March 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Good mornin’ M!
March 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Bob,
Or, Kiffin has had his duties curtailed and is not allowed to travel to visit prospects unless he hitchhikes.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Quagmire’d how do I check out what you have?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Dakota
I was attending college is SoCal in 1979 -1983.
I was fortunate to be there during the early Magic Johnson era, with Worthy, Scott, Kareem, Coop etc..
They would have never lost a game to a team like or similar to the Kings.
I believe the Lakers other than Kobe have no mental toughness to compete for a championship.
The regular season is what it is, but the playoffs are different.
The intensity picks up the presure builds and if your a mental midget your not going to win the real tough cruncher games.
Look at the Kings with Vlade, Webber, Stokovich etc..
That team regulars season winners, playoff mental losers.
They still talk about the Horry shot for three to win that game in LA and Sac, Horry is what you call a gamer and has the toughness to make critical shots when you need them.
That’s why he has 5 rings or maybe 6, I forgot he has so many.
Just my little point of view.
I know that Horry is no longer on the Lakers but it;s an example of the player needed to compete for a championship.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Dakota
Yeah, I guess that could be it too.
Honest question, do you believe he´s gone (Kiffin)?.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Dakota,
how goes it in the land of Triceratops and bison?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Dakota
Hang in there and I’m off to save the Tax disease from spreading.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Hobs,
Yeah Jake Long has not played in zone, but you are right Clady has. I see it this way, Clady fits the scheme, Long is better overall. To me, I am happy if we just committ to a lineman now while we still have Cable.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Question (as addendum to Marley’s query): does JaMarcus respect and want to play for Kid Kiff?
March 12th, 2008 at 9:56 am
You know, Maddenraider may just be Peter King from SI.
That fat slob always loves to spew vitriol towards the Raiders & their fans.
Remember that fat idiot saying, “Lane Kiffin is not a lock to stay in Oakland.”
Wow, amazing insight there…”not a lock to stay”
March 12th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Morning Marley Esq.
Later Dell.
March 12th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Raider TW, good question…I was trying to post a pic of the Raider Track jacket (Mitchell & Ness), but i couldn’t figure out how to do it…it’s pretty sick.
What city are you in?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Morning M
Hope all is good.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Go get ‘em Dell.
M,
Things here are going well. I skinned a Bison this morning and I intent to use his hide for my Chewbacca Halloween costume for next year.
Bob,
All BS aside, I truly believe kiffin is finished and that Lofton or RR will be our HC next year. Of course I do not have any proof of this, it is just my gut feeling. Al Davis is not a forgiving person, and if Kiffin went for the Ark job, or if he tried to fire RR without Al’s permission, then I think the damage has already been done and there will be no going back. I really hope this is not true and I hope that Kiffin and Davis are buddies, but I highly doubt it. If Kiffin is forced to stay for another year, it is going to be very bad for the Raiders and the development of all our young players. I just hoe this gets resolved quickly and that the next head coach is given some time to right the ship.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am
I think Lane is here to stay. He got a slap for overstepping his boundries & seeking other employment but when he wins more than 5 games this year everone will be thrilled. Lofton is a reminder to do good. Notice how some coaches are better at coaching positions than being head coaches? Norv Turner, Jim Haslett, Chan Gailey, etc.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I live in Denver
March 12th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Sorry…hope…no hoe
March 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
shite, I give up, I can’t spell
March 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Lane Kiffin needs the Raiders.
The Raiders need Lane Kiffin.
It’s that simple.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Dakota
Fair enough, I do hope your gut feeling is wrong but I respect your civilized ways.
Have a good day everyone, I´m out for a while.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am
RRPL,
The Raiders need their HC to do well.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Raider TW, if you give me your e-mail address I can send you a pic of the jacket…and pics of the jerseys when i get them.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Likewise, later all.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:14 am
So far, the Fish have been able to keep their intentions with the No1 pick under wraps. However, there is a developing school of thought that Parcels will actually go offense rather than defense. Two scenarios are emerging:
1) Miami take Matt Ryan - because they don’t rate John Beck and the 2009 QB draft class looks very weak, unless Tebow jumps early.
2) Miami take Jake Long and plug him into RT - because they already have a decent LT and Long will instantly give them a very effective running game. If they can control the clock, the pressure will ease on their defense.
Both of these scenarios would force rethinks at St Louis and Atlanta. The Falcons might take Ryan, but if he’s gone, then they will choose from Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey and Vernon Gholston. The feeling is that they might take Dorsey, due to the SEC connections and their need for some leadership.
The Rams seemed set on Jake Long, but if he’s gone, they will face the choice of a sensible defensive selection or McFadden. Gholston might be the better pick for them.
So, from having no chance at getting Chris Long a fortnight ago, things have changed. I now think we have a 30% chance of seeing Howie’s boy still on the Board at No4.
This is a very volatile draft board. There is even speculation that Miami are looking to trade up for a second 1st round pick - offering their 2nd and 3rd 2008 picks plus a 2009 2nd. Seems like the scouts are already negative on the 2009 draft prospects - because all the best juniors (apart from Laurinaitis, Jenkins and Manaluga) have declared for 2008.
We still need more picks, Al.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:21 am
I think Kiffin will do well this season.
If the team falters, it will be due to Rob Ryan and his defense.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am
NFL Network reporting Miami is shopping the pick to try and trade down.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
i think Kiffy is a video game addict and couldn’t break away from his PlayStation 3 to make the ProDay workout…
(hey, it’s as valid as any other reason…)
March 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Rob Ryan must have set a record over the past 4 years for “most blown 4th quarter leads”.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Lets look at what Al did for Kiffin and why he changed his mind about letting Lane get the players that he wanted in the first place. He traded away Randy Moss, traded to get McCown and Mike Williams. Now its understandble, based on these 3 players, why Al would go back to his scouts and listen less to Kiffin. It is safe to speculate Kiffin had alot of influence on last years draft and those picks have not panned out well either.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:35 am
RRPL…
we all know you feelings about Rob Ryan, but don’t got anything new to add, or is it just the old record again?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Pete,
Which game do you think Kiffin is playing; Madden 08 or NCAA Football 08??? My money is on the college game, lol.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Ryan is working with a stacked deck because of Al’s belief that your 4 down lineman should create enough pressure on the quarterback without blitzing. I would say since Davis was at the Superbowl and witnessed his philosophy win the game, I doubt much will change. But we do need to blitz more thats for sure.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Great point, Eyepatch….other teams are proving that Al’s ideas can be successful, unfortunately the Raiders are the ones that are not succeeding….it’s only gonna add fuel to the fire.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:42 am
anybody have a link to info regarding the Rams and their interest in drafting J. Long at #2…I still think he’s gonna fall to the Chiefs at #5.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Eyepatch
HAHAH, yeah because our scout done a really good job scouting the last 5 years? Haahha, most important job for the scouts is to make our 1st round pick right…
Look at our 1st round picks? only, ONLY Nnamdi is worth talking about.
Look what we’ve done in 2nd round or 3rd? tons of wasted picks. TE’s that never became anything and so on.
And you arguments, McCown, Mike Williams and Moss. What world do you live in?? Moss would take a Jerry Porter year if he had stayed. We got a guy in McCown that could get teh fire back on the team, Yeah I know i was not superman, but Daunte didn’t do squad! And Mike Williams was a gamble, it didn’t cost us anything.
The Draft Kiffin did, is the best draft in 5-7 years
March 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
—”The Arizona Republic’s Kent Somers does not believe WR Anquan Boldin will be traded.
Somers speaks glowing about Boldin, calling him the “soul of the team” and more of a leader than Larry Fitzgerald. When the Cardinals speak to college scouts, they hold up Boldin as the ideal template for players they want. Regardless of trade possibilities, agent Drew Rosenhaus will want a new deal. Mar. 12 - 10:50 a.m. ET”—
So Alemede Insider, do you still believe in you own babble ?”
Who the hell is Alemede Insider? Way to butcher the English language DOLT!
Boldin baby!
March 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2. Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
3a. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
3b. Mario Henderson, OL, Florida State
3c. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP
4a. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
4b. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
5a. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
5b. Eric Frampton, S, Washington State
6. Oren O’Neal, FB, Arkansas State
7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech
7 of the 11 players drafted are still on the team hows that not a good draft with 4 seeing alot of playing time,and although I didnt care for him to play McCown played most the year
March 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
2 picks got playing time that were Kiffin picks. Thankgod Al took Russell over Quinn. The players over the last 5 years are now starting for the team. Glue is not good for you.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Chris Carr was visited Carloina yesterday
http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/532586.html
March 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Quagmire’d
therion93@msn.com
just opened for this purpose so trolls can’t spam me.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
What up my brothers and sisters of the Nation!
I have been out of commision for a few days but I’m back and ready to go. This blog has gone completely nuts over the last couple of weeks and I have been hesitant to check in, let alone post. But then I figured why let a few loser trolls ruin it for me? That is what they are trying to do and there is no way I’m going to let someone idiot ruin this for me.
So what up to:
Oakglenn, RaiderDell (Blues baby!), Dakota, Mista, M, LMN, Tom Flores, BHP, and my boy Unknown. Big props to all of you for staying on point and holiding it down for the real Raiders fans. Much appreciated.
With that being said it’s back to work for now. I just wanted to make my presence known. I will be hovering throughout the day but there is much work to do so my posting will be limited.
Have a good day everyone!
March 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Moses and Frampton did not even make the team.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:55 am
RaiderTW, cool…i’ll send you the pic.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Eyepatch…
if its a pick you like its an Al Davis pick, if its a pick you dislike, its the coach pick??
or how does that work?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Then we get to sit back and watch in horror as McCown can’t throw the deep ball and we loose a bunch of close games and Moss sets records on the way to the Superbowl. By the grace of God the Giants came back and won the game because if not, Moss would have been the hero on an undefeated team for making the catch for the go ahead touchdown late in the game.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Does anyone know if Kevin Carter started all 16 games for the Bucs last year?? or did he play more of a reserve roll
March 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Alameda Insider…
Nice comeback, why don’t you just admit you were wrong, and that you tried to make a fake hype?
March 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
don’t know, DoeDoe, but he’s gettin’ up there in age- 34.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I read all the bs about last years draft like you did. We all know who wanted who, its no big secret.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I remember Carter taking himself out of the Superbowl during the last drive against the Titans, we don’t need him.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
QUAGMIRE’D
link that Rams will take Jake Long
http://www.thefootballexpert.com/abromowitzmockdraft.html
March 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am
The JAZZ would destroy the lakers boozer will punk gasol just like he punks yao ming Kobe had one good game against ak47 he will shut him down come playoff time the Spurs are the only team that give UTAH headaches
March 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Quagmire’d Says:
March 12th, 2008 at 8:33 am
“I got the hook-up on Raider throwbacks and track jackets…good prices too…anyone interested?”
Quagmire’d -
Can you hook a brother up too? I set up a new email account like RaiderTW and it’s raiderdogg24@yahoo.com. I would definitely be interested in both jerseys and other stuff.
Thanks in advance and Giggidy.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:12 am
testing…?!?!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:15 am
whats going on?
March 12th, 2008 at 11:18 am
1999 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 18 Matt Stinchcomb
2 40 Tony Bryant DE
4 102 Dameane Douglas
2000 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 17 Sebastian Janikowski
2 47 Jerry Porter WR
4 107 Junior Ioane DT
March 12th, 2008 at 11:18 am
2001 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 28 Derrick Gibson DB
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo
3 89 DeLawrence Grant
2002 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 17 Phillip Buchanon
1 23 Napoleon Harris
2 53 Langston Walker
2 55 Doug Jolley TE
March 12th, 2008 at 11:18 am
2003 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 31 Nnamdi Asomugha
1 32 Tyler Brayton DE
2 63 Teyo Johnson TE
3 83 Sam Williams DE
3 96 Justin Fargas RB
2004 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 2 Robert Gallery T
2 45 Jake Grove G
3 67 Stuart Schweigert
4 99 Carlos Francis WR
March 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am
2005 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 23 Fabian Washington
2 38 Stanford Routt DB
3 69 Andrew Walter QB
3 78 Kirk Morrison LB
2006 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 7 Michael Huff SS
2 38 Thomas Howard OLB
3 69 Paul McQuistan G
4 101 Darnell Bing LB
March 12th, 2008 at 11:22 am
30 players, Thomas Howard, Kirk Morrison, Stanford Routt, Nnamdi Asomugha are the few players around worth mention. 4 players, you still think our scouts is doing a great job?? of these 30 players how many is starters in the league? if they are in the league at all, they most likely are backups…
Kiffin was hired to get our drafts better AND HE DID! Our scout has no reason to be proud!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I got you, raiderdogg…just sent you a message.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Eyepatch, the NYG defense & the Raider have nothing in common. I have the SB on DV-R (ask OakGlenn). The Giants pressured & rattled Brady with blitzing, stunts, they showed blitz many times & then dropped back into a zone. They had 5 men on the line for the most part.
NE’s O-Line were false starting because they were rattled big time they didnt know where or when it was coming from. When did you ever see NE O-line making mental errors?
You tell me how we are running the same Def as the SB champs. Its not just cut and dry as 4/3 or 3/4 its what you do with those 11 men on the field.
# eyepatch Says:
March 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Ryan is working with a stacked deck because of Al’s belief that your 4 down lineman should create enough pressure on the quarterback without blitzing. I would say since Davis was at the Superbowl and witnessed his philosophy win the game, I doubt much will change. But we do need to blitz more thats for sure.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
re post 789-Davis tried to sign Mccown when he was a free agent before the 2006 season so you can’t put the total blame on Kiffin.also getting M.Williams was exactly the type of move Davis would do-1st rd pick who flopped elsewhere.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
LMN: Notice something for the past several drafts? Until Kiffin came on board there wasn’t much to talk about.
Except for Charles Woodson selected in his first year ‘98, no impact players drafted until Nnamdi in ‘03 and he’s the only player until the ‘07 draft to make a significant impact.
I think Kiffin showed Al in one year what a good draft can be. To think that Al has full control of the draft and makes every decision about the talent is crazy. He gives the coaches the say, but they also take the heat. Rightfully so.
Gruden, Callahan, & Norv really screwed up this franchise via the draft. Art gets a free pass since he landed Huff (who’ll make a big name for himself this year as FS), Howard, McQuistan, & Boothe (although he was released due to a system fit).
Previous 10 years, Woodson, Nnamdi, Howard, Morrison, Gallery, McQuistan, & Huff.
In Kiffin’s first year drafting he lands Russell, Miller, Richardson, O’Neal, Bush, & Higgins.
Two or more years consecutively drafting well will mean long term success for this team!!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Read that Dwayne Jarrett may be in trouble since his latest arrest….might get cut possibly? I don’t think so, but since he is a USC guy the Raiders should put their bid in if he were to be released.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Ryan is working with a stacked deck because he is a nimrod & chooses to be a nimrod…..period
Dogg, whats up man! Toronto is our beeatch tonight !
March 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Lefty, that makes sense and MW was cut midseason and that was ALL Kiffin regardless if Al brought him here or not. Kiffin has stones!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am
eyepatch-and why do some of you keep bringing up scumbag(moss)?he said he would not play for the Raiders.what part of “i will not play for the Raiders” don’t you understand?
March 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am
LMN: I posted before you discussed the previous drafts.
Same conclusion, we both agree Kiffin has drastically improved our drafts.
Now imagine what it will look like after two more drafts!! That’s the great part.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:42 am
LMN- oops, per #820, I started writing my little piece and published it before I read yours.
Are you still high on Trevor Laws? Have you seen anything about Pat Sims? I personally want Sims in the 2nd.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:42 am
DSM-if Kiffin is still around to run them.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am
lefty 12- If not Kiffin then I bet Jim Harbaugh gets a call before Lofton.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I think Harbaugh would make a great HC.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Quagmire’d -
Thanks bro, I just got back to you. That’s a nice looking jacket. Old school, I like it…
March 12th, 2008 at 11:48 am
DSM…
Kiffin is such a vital part of this resurrection. Not his play calling or how he coaches. Stability and structure of the franchise and to get a 5 year plan. Thats why I would cry like a child if he got fired.
Instead of crab shooting in the draft, we need plan, whats our needs in ‘09 which talents will be in the ‘09. we needs to plan better and not do everything just before deadline…
March 12th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Ohh btw…
MIA-Raider and FLPete… I need your help, is there more guys here from florida?
March 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
DSM…
yeah Laws is my man! I’m really pissed he did such a good job at the combine! In october I had him as our 4th round pick, he could have flown under Radar!
March 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
LMN: I agree Kiffin is a big story behind the success of the Raiders, but if we lose him and sign Harbaugh then I wouldn’t shed a tear because I know Harbaugh knows talent too.
I differ though on my opinion of how we draft. If you are building a long term organization, you always draft best player available despite need. If you look at the Steelers and how they draft it’s based on best available player as well.
Obviously you don’t load up on one position, but you fill the needs across the board but base it on who’s the best person left.
If we are in the 4th and a steal is available over a need do we take it? Of course, you can always upgrade your positions or provide great depth.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Eyepatch…
if its a pick you like its an Al Davis pick, if its a pick you dislike, its the coach pick??
or how does that work?
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
the same way everyone likes to blame A Davis for every bad thing…
and give the coach credit for evrey good thing…
same thing…
same-o, same-o…
March 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
La Milicia Negra, saw the past draft breakdown but things equal out, look at ARZ, how many draft picks went on to win SBs with other teams? That stuff(ignoring the worst teams) proves to me the Media won’t say anything good (on orders of the ghost of Pete Rozelle or the rest of the owners). Wait until Al Davis dies, they’ll be praising him (and for once being right) like they did R Reagan. While ARZ, Detro, etc can’t get out of the cellar for years.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
DSM…
A good team plan their needs! if you plan your needs after whats available you’ll get the best player available.
Good team: drafts for what they plan
Medio team: drafts for best player
Rebound team: drafts after need!
we are a rebound team, like it or not! but with continuity you can plan you future needs with your scouts report and signings.
if the best player is a QB, but you drafted a QB in the first round previously year, you would be an idiot to draft a QB in 1st round again, rite?
in other words, it will never be to draft best player
March 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
FLPete…
exactly… you cant choose and pick what suits your agenda…
My point is that over a long period we haven’t been drafting clever! if its Santa, Al or Coach! But if we compare last year with previous years, ‘07 was a good year.
RaiderTW… I disagree… it doesn’t even out, the draft is where you make instant impact on you team, because the player cant choose his team, you need to get those players you find to deliver, to perform. Period.
See it like a factory, if you by the machines, you need those machines to serve as you expected, otherwise you company will lose on the markets.
The Draft is where you make you foundation for your team, the FA is where you get those last pieces you need to fill the puzzle
March 12th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
FLPete or MIA Raider
I need you to take a swim, yeah thats right, but for real, Our Crown Prince lost his wedding ring diving around the Keys =)
March 12th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
LMN: I never said to overload a position per my post above.
If we are in the 4th round and the best available player is a RB, do you take the RB or pass for need?
When teams do this, they tend to hurt themselves more than help them. Look throughout the past several drafts and you’ll see, especially in the later rounds when they pass up talent for need they tend to overanalyze the position and get a bust.
That RB in the 4th round could easily be another Brian Westbrook same size, speed, and hands.
Would you pass on Justin Forsett in the 4th if he’s available and we have a need pick like C?
March 12th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
We never blitz so we can’t fake any blitzes thats whats wrong with the defense you got it right.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
And the only reason last years draft was good is because we sucked so bad and had very high picks.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
LMN,
Whats up buddy? I am from Miami Florida and can help out my fellow Raider brothers….
March 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Eyepatch…
ahh thats why? so all our ohter picks in after 2002 has been low pick because we have been playing good? in my recollection, all picks have been in top 8, so the picture is the same… last years draft was good!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I don’t think any team drafts purely for the best player or for need. If players are rated closely, you will go for the possition of need, but if one player is much better than anybody else on the board you take that player.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
M.I.A. Raiders Draft Board
1. Chris Long
2. Vernon Gholston
3. Darren McFadden
4. Glenn Dorsey
5. Sedrick Ellis
March 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
When you make a Superbowl run and hit the cap ceiling thats what happens, years of frustration living off the draft, look at the Titans for example. They got lucky to make the playoffs and got crushed anyway. But the common theme is we have had bad quarterbacks since Gannon left.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Rod Woodson dissed Rob Ryan’s defensive philosophy on national TV…that’s good enough for me
LMN,
I will continue to criticize Slob Ryan as long as he putting a poor product on the field.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
If Carr goes in free agency, then we should pick up Haruki Nakamura as an undrafted free agent to replace him. He is a free safety, and kick returner,and was the leader of a tough Cincinnati defense. Very smart football player according to his coaches, and has a nose for the ball.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
He’s got one year left is a safe bet.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I don’t know about you guys but McFadden reminds me more and more of Marcus Allen, I hope he is the pick.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
RRPL…
yeah i know, and I feel ya, but i was just a bit tired of that record, hates when the pick-up gets stuck =)
March 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
If Rob Ryan somehow puts together a top 10 defense in ‘08, I will be the first to sing his praises!
March 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Another reason not to believe the media and their evil ways towards the Raidas’.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/12/SP51VI7IP.DTL
March 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Dr. Kevorkian is going to run for Congress out of Michigan. I wish he would take a position with the NFL instead and help move things along in Oakland….if ya know what I mean.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Chill, it was just a joke.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Nice article and it shows how Kiffin and The Raiders are both staying quiet about the upcoming year. I’ll believe all this bs in the media the day I hear Kiffin is fired. Raidernews.com has a link to another positive article and it claims Gnapp would be the most logical successor to Kiffin if that rumor turned out to be true.
March 12th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Little Johnny’s parents were finally getting divorced, and went to famiily court for a custody hearing.
Little Johnny’s mother’s attorney told the court that he should live with his mother because she was nurturing and kind, and even worse… Johnny’s Daddy beats him!
Little Johnny’s father’s attorney told the court that he should live with his father because he could better provide proper necessities, and even worse… Johnny’s Mommy beats him!
Finally, the judge asked Johnny “Who do YOU want to live with, son?”
And Little Johnny wiped his eys, sniffled and squeaked out “I want to live with the Oakland Raiders, because They can’t beat Anyone!”
LOL, if you can’t laugh at yourself….
March 12th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Very funny Dakota….I told you that your missing your calling not performing onstage.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Dakota, exactly!
If Dr. K can’t make a visit in Oakland, maybe someone here has a fishing boat we can borrow
March 12th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Fitzgerald gets $40mil $30mil guarenteed & we’re the crazy team.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
YES!
Chris Carr agreed with NYG - finally no more schollarships!
March 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
MIA,
Are you still on board with selecting “McDadden”? I see on your list you now have him #3 behind both DEs. I can see where you are coming from and I would certainly place him behind Chris Long, but I don’t know about Vernon.
Vernon was listed as 6′4″ 258 lbs at the combine. Burgess is listed at 6′2″ 260 lbs. Chris Long is 6′4″ 275 lbs. I don’t think we can draft Vernon and realistically hope to play both he and Burgess at the same time (unless we switch to a 3-4) given their respective sizes. I think we might be treading water if we draft Vernon.
Same might be said of McDadden, but I would argue that none of our running backs are anywhere near as gifted as McDadden, whereas Burgess is a proven big-time NFL commodity…
I would be bummed if we drafted Vernon over McDadden, unless we can turn Burgess into a pick or two, or a player or two via a trade.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I didn’t mind Carr..remember that interception he had against the Steelers..100 yards.
His “scholarship” wasn’t as obvious as Sam Williams and others. What the heck has Sam Williams ever done?
March 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I hope the unnamed source out of Alameda who said Jamarcus has been working out and is nowhere near 300 lbs is not the same guy that put out those incorrect contract numbers on the Raiders’ free agents, lol.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
1. Haruki Nakamura to replace Chris Carr
2. Drafting Gholston would work just fine because he is a rush-end, and doesn’t need to be a great run defender. If we get Gholston, then Burgess could spell Richardson on passing downs, or even better we can trade Burgess for some picks as he has a lot of value and is hampering this team with his refusal to play on the weak-side where he belongs.
3. Jonathan Holland might be returning kicks next year
March 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
McFadden may go at #1 via trade or Parcels himself. He is the most gifted player and will have the biggest impact in his first year in the nfl than anyone else in the draft. Prey he drops to us. A tailback with a burst and 4.33 speed would be nice in a zone blocking scheme.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Paging Bryant Johnson, paging Bryant Johnson, please pick up the white courtesy phone and call the Raiders for a better contract offer than the one from the Bills. Thank you and have a nice day.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Was Lofton hired as WR coach or offensive coordinator? A article at nfl.com says he’s the OC?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=58B40B7D3D4F697ADE6C694CD241669A?id=09000d5d806b4a39&template=with-video&confirm=true
March 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Rod Woodson dissing Ryan’s defense on NFLN. As I remember his concern was the cost involved w/ running such a defense. You need allstars at almost ever position.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Greg Knapp is OC
Lofton is Receivers Coach
March 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Had to be misprint on Lofton’s title, nice to see he was there watching DeSean though…
March 12th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Ghoulston in 2008
Wouldn;t it be great if Big Al was somehow linked with Mike vick allowing Goodell to suspend him too. Maybe then we could get someone in there who knows what they are doing. Al Davis needs to go and Oaktown will never be anything more than a 4 win club until he steps down.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Rod Woodson’s point was that you can’t run that defsense in the year 2008 and have a chance to win
March 12th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Rob Ryan’s Pickled Liver
I was just wondering if Al had made some unannounced to the public coaching changes.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I guess Gil Brandt is getting senile or not proof rreading his reports.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
ChargersChoke
I was just wondering if Al had made some unannounced to the public coaching changes.
Just another example of the NFL sportswriters not caring whether it’s true when it comes to the Raiders.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Pickled Liver - you may be right…i can’t check at work (its on NFL.com) …but on your point I dont think he was questioning the validity of the defensive scheme ..it was moreso the personnel req’d to run it ..I think his point was its too expensive and too hard to find the right personnel this day in age.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
GNN is reporting that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is blaming inflation, high gas prices and the current residential mortgage crisis on Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders.
“Mr. Davis’ inability to field a competitive Oakland Raiders team in the NFL over the past 5 seasons has lead to a downturn in our economy, as many depressed members of the “Raider Nation” (which some estimates put membership in said Nation at between 35 and 40 million fans) have stopped paying their mortgages and are not spending their disposable income on consumer goods, such as cars, televisions and appliances, and are instead spending their money on Puerto Rican rum, heroin, and Mexican cigarettes” says Chairman Bernanke.
As questions continue to be raised about the Raiders’ head coaching position and the questionable free agent signings the team has made this offseason, many wonder; when will the Raider induced recession ever end?
IN OTHER NEWS: Al Gore has scheduled a press conference for 6:00 pm, e.s.t. and is expected to announce that he and other “scientists” have discovered the cause of Global Warming. Early indications are that it has something to do with Alameda, California.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
March 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
David Carr Agreed to NYG - I haven’t read anything about Chris Carr getting signed
March 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Maddenraider are you using Dakota’s id???? Just kidding, well, they don’t blame bush!!!
March 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
DSM:
WHY YOU ARE SURE THIS IS A GOOD DRAFT?
RUSSELL: WE HOPE HE WILL BE A GOOD QB.
MILLER: HE LOOKS GOOD. OUR BEST PICK RIGHT NOW.
MOSES: CUT
HENDERSON: NOBODY KNOWS IF HE CAN PLAY
HIGGINS: 4 CATHES
ONEAL: HE LOOKS LIKE A KEEPER
BOWIE: RANDY MOSS DEAL
AND THE LIST GOES ON….
SO YOU REALLY THINK YO CAN SAY RIGHT NOW THAT KIFFIN KNOWS HOW TO PICK IN THE DRAFT?
RIGHT NOW WE “HOPE” HES RIGHT, AND WE “HOPE” THAT HE KNOWS WHAT HES DOING.
BUT RIGHT NOW A GOOD TE AND A FB WITH MORE THAN 10 PICKS DOESNT LOOK VERY GOOD
March 12th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Still no respect from NFL.com
Biggest statement: Even with the uncertainty surrounding the status of coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders have pressed on with big spending. And the huge investment in Walker, despite his injury history, is a sign that they are willing to go to the greatest extremes to get the greatest production from last year’s top overall choice, JaMarcus Russell
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story;jsessionid=89C476CF00EFAA101730D991E7832809?id=09000d5d8072b60a&template=with-video&confirm=true
March 12th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Respect comes from RESULTS !!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Did you know?…that the name of South Dakota’s “Black Hills” comes from the Lakota words Paha Sapa, which mean “hills that are black”. Seen from a distance, these pine-covered hills, rising several thousand feet above the surrounding prairie, appear black.
DRAFT MCDADDEN!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Did you know…The Mammoth Site of Hot Springs, South Dakota contains the largest concentration of Columbian and woolly mammoth bones discovered in their primary context in the world! This National Natural Landmark is the only in-situ (bones left as found) display of fossil mammoths in America.
GO RAIDERS! GO AWAY AL DAVIS!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Did you know…the world’s largest underground gold mine is the Homestake Mine in Lead, South Dakota.
DRAFT CHRIS LONG!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Did you know…the U.S.S. South Dakota was the most decorated battleship during World War II.
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Did you know…South Dakota’s Jewel Cave is the third-longest cave in the world. More than 120 miles of passages have been surveyed. Calcite crystals that glitter when illuminated give the cave its name, and with more than 82 miles of mapped passages, South Dakota’s Wind Cave contains the world’s largest display of a rare formation called boxwork.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
LAST ONE….
Did you know…Belle Fourche, South Dakota, is the geographical center of the United States of America, designated in 1959 and noted by an official marker called a “Stone Johnnie”.
COME VISIT SOUTH DAKOTA, GREAT FACES AND GREAT PLACES!
GO RAIDERS! COME TO THE STURGIS MOTORCYLE RALLY!
March 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Did I scare everyone off?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Spitzer swallows?
March 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
South Dakota does rock. Did you know Amy Trask’s husband is from South Dakota?
I personally hope that Chris Long slips to us after Ghostons rise.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
SF Gate reported a Raiders guy said JR has been staying in shape. They also reported:
“Briefly: New wide receivers coach James Lofton attended Cal’s pro day Tuesday along with scout Jon Kingdon. Lofton threw passes to receivers DeSean Jackson, Lavelle Hawkins and Robert Jordan, who is Russell’s cousin, during position drills.”
Looks like they will still take a look at a WR on draft day even with Walker.
Hawkins should be availble in the 4th. Jordan should go undrafted or maybe the 7th. Barring a trade down in the first Jackson isn’t happening.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I remember Russell was practicing with Robert Jordan last off-season before he signed. We should sign Jordan if he goes undrafted just so JaMarcus has someone to keep in shape with during the off-season.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Dakota,
Ever go to the annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. I once had to stay at the 150 yr old St Charles Hotel in dtwn Rapid City because there were no rooms within 100 miles of Sturgis or Spearfish the week of the rally.
March 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
keystone has some good taffy.</