Titans sign Carr to offer sheet
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, March 28th, 2008 at 8:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Tennessean is reporting that restricted free agent defensive back/return specialist Chris Carr has signed an offer sheet with the Tennessee Titans.
The Raiders have a week to decide whether to match the offer and retain Carr. Should they decline to match, Carr, who joined the Raiders as an undrafted free agent, would bring no compensation.
During a free agent visit to Buffalo, Carr expressed a desire for a fresh start. Given the recent additions of DeAngelo Hall and Gibril Wilson into the secondary, the Raiders could grant his wish and find another return specialist.
Carr is Oakland’s all-time leader in kickoff returns (201) and yards (4,841), although he never scored a touchdown on special teams. In 2006, Carr had the Raiders’ biggest defensive play of the season, a 100-yard interception return for a touchdown off Ben Roethlisberger that helped put away an upset win against the Steelers.
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March 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
foist!
March 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
uno
March 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
lol
March 28th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
“TITANS MOVING ON FROM PACMAN?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 28, 2008, 10:06 p.m.
Amid reports that the Tennessee Titans will soon trade cornerback/kick returner Pacman Jones to the Dallas Cowboys, the Titans have made a play for his apparent replacement. According to the Tennessean, the Titans have signed Raiders cornerback/kick returner Chris Carr to an offer sheet. Carr is a restricted free agent. Because Carr was tendered at the lowest possible level, the Raiders have only a right to match the offer. They will not receive any compensation is they choose not to match. The Raiders have seven days to decide whether to match.”
Yes! Finally get rid of Carr. He is just not smart player football wise. He’s fast and that’s it, he doesn’t have what it takes between the ears. I say good riddance.
March 28th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
DSM -
You call it BSPN then you say that they are right with their assessment. Well then which is it?
muahahahahahaha
Laws is my man! He will be better pro than Sims.
March 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I would not give up any “compensation” to retain Carr, but finding a reliable return man who does not put the ball on the ground every other play — while showing some elusiveness is easier said than done.
Thanks, and Good Luck “FastCarr”.
(He seemed like a class guy)
March 28th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Raider81 -
No compensation needed, just have to match the offer. At least according Jerry up above!
muaahahhahaha
March 28th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Yo Jerry!
Any rumors regarding The Raiders pursuing Bryant McKinney? If he’s even remotely available…..Big Al needs to due his due diligence and make that happen. 1) Stanford Routt or Fabian Washington
(although Vikes may not want him since he recently had a run-in w/ the law)
*PLUS*
2)A combination of 2009 Draft Picks (i.e. 2nd & 4th)
March 28th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
What I meant to say is I would not overpay to keep him.
(That is a form of compensation - monetary)
March 28th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
McKinney just signed with the Browns. Don’t any you guys read pft?
March 28th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Hmmm…so…who will pick up the return duties now? I’d say JL Higgins, but he didn’t play with a lot confidence last season, and he has had trouble catching the ball…maybe we should go with Tim Wright until someone steps up in camp…
Btw…THIRD…
March 28th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Okay…ELEVENTH…lol
March 28th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I’m out guys, security check. Remember don’t respond to the fake LMN. That troll is getting clever. Don’t give him the attention ok? I’ll be back later.
March 28th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
DesertRaider24 Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
“Hmmm…so…who will pick up the return duties now? I’d say JL Higgins, but he didn’t play with a lot confidence last season, and he has had trouble catching the ball…maybe we should go with Tim Wright until someone steps up in camp…
Btw…THIRD…”
Who is Tim Wright? Muahahahahaha!
ok now I’m out
March 28th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
How about D Hall picking up the return duties?
March 28th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Duh..typo..Tim DWIGHT…LOL
March 28th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Hall is certainly up to the challenge, and maybe in a game with playoff implications you might try it.
But too risky full-time if you ask me.
(I’d rather give the return duties to DMAC!)
29, 26, and 19.75 yd avg on kickoffs his 3 years at Ark.
Carr’s numbers last year:
22.5-yard average KickOffs. And eight punt returns for a 6.5-yard average.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wDi1nRM-OY&feature=related
DHall did return punts at Va Tech; here’s a video of him from the 2003 Insight Bowl taking it to the house against Cal…
Maybe, just maybe…
March 28th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
too expensive to return punts
March 28th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8FCscTpeeI&feature=related
Duh…wrong video…here it is…
March 28th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
La Milicia Negra -
We can’t respond to you,
“Remember don’t respond to the fake LMN.”
March 28th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Who do you guys predict will be manning the LT spot on opening day.
1) Kwame Harris
2) Mario Henderson
3) Marc Wilson
Harris seems like the natural choice (based on $$$ and exp.), but Wilson looks like a “bad dude”.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493123
Anxious to see what he has in pre-season.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Yeah, But CAL still won the game! Go BEARS! Go RAYDUHS!! I say trade with (anybody but…) Dallas and get D. Jackson and am O lineman. then, next draft, get another RB and another young WR and that should do us nicely. with an improved D and young runners, QB and catchers.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
How are we to know if Cable isn’t licking his chops with the lineman he has albeit w/o a center he wants.
Remember, Cable’s type of O lineman isn’t your father’s type of lineman. He said at the combine 75% of the lineman didn’t fit his system.
For all we know, he could line up the following and we could be great:
LT Wilson/Henderson/Palmer
LG Gallery
C Newberry/Grove/Morris
RG Carlisle
RT Harris/McQuistan/Green
Obviously some of the tackles can alternate with the guards if need be.
I’m not saying we aren’t going to improve the line, but remember his mentor Alex Gibbs used low draft picks, cast-off type players to mold his zone system in Denver during the ’90’s.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Has anyone here seen Mark Wilson play in person? I can’t find much youtube footage on him and am not aware of his flexibility.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I’m just getting on and haven’t spent much time in here in the last two days. Did anyone notice that AGB is back on the roster? Perhaps this was discussed in the Kalimba Edwards post. This looks like an attempt to replace Clemons (the signing of both Edwards and Biamila).
March 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Assassin- Interesting to see how the defensive signings are opening up the path for DMac!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Marc Wilson QB,,,80’s
Bad Memories man…..BAAADDD Memories!!!
Whatta Night mare he was!!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
If D-Mac is available for us…..He will be the NEWEST Raider!!
No doubt in my mind!!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
DSM - Agreed. I’d hate to use the term that it is “obvious” but it sure seems so. I think the Raiders really do feel comfortable with Burgess/Kelly/Richardson/Edwards at DE. I’m sure they will continue to add depth with undrafted FA’s and post June 1 cuts, but it sure looks like they are gearing up for DMAC. If not, they’re doing a hell of job posturing.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
I listen to Sirius NFL radio on a daily basis and today was the Mock Draft show. Pat Kirwan had Gholston going number 1, then J.Long, then C.Long, then G.Dorsey to the Raiders. He has DMAC going to the Jets after the Chefs take Clady. Interesting. Kirwan has a relationship with Kiffin. I wonder if there’s any creedance to the Dorsey speculation or if he’s just blowing smoke.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
JLH would be good if he could just hold on to that football - Hopefully he gets stronger in the offseason - im outy - Have a good 1 Nation - As Greg Papa would say
TOUCHDOWN RRRRRAAAAAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEERRRSSSSSSSS!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
The only player that the aiders will pass D-Mac for is for Howies kid…Chris Long…But other than him….I think it will be McFadden for sure!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Completly Agree Raider Glory - Now im out
March 28th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
These additions will have very little bearing on who they pick, they’re just trying to get good bodies to go to camp and see who makes the team.
I think you guy’s will draw any and every conclusion to make a case for that kid. Hoping will not get you McFadden the Raiders seeing a need for him on the other hand will. You are going to see all knids of signings and be shocked who really makes the team.
No on knows until they get to camp. Edwards and AKG mean nothing, other than getting possible help defensively.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I think we’re all aware that DMAC is not a “between-the-tackles” runner thus it makes it hard to fathom us taking him. However, I think Kiffin is relatively creative and is used to having a multi-talented tail back (R.Bush), and he probably envisions him in that role. It wouldn’t surprise me to see DMAC get drafted and line up in the slot as much as RB. He’s got the speed to take a 3 yd drag route for 15 yds if he catches it in space. He’s such an intriguing pick because he would make every WR on the field that much more dangerous. Also not a bad safety valve for JR.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Why did’nt Dorsey participate in the NFL combine. I would’nt touch him…….He might be damaaged goods…..We already have M. Bush…..We dont need anothe light duty guy on the team, especially risking the #4 pick on him…..No Way!!
Pick….D-Mac or C. Long!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
BHP - Well said. I don’t think Edwards/AGB have any bearing on who’s drafted either. It just makes the choice to take DMAC that much more justified in their minds. I see these signings as an attempt to replace Clemons in a situational role. Going into the draft, I think the Raiders are comfortable with who they have at DE (whether it’s right or wrong) and they’ve already made up their mind. Regardless of who’s signed, DMAC is the prototypical player for an Al Davis pick. He’s well decorated and an amazing athlete.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I’m out boys. See you later.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
BHP- By the way, do you really think I didn’t know the draft boards for all 32 teams would be different than McShay’s, per your previous post in the Edwards signing blog?
It was just a point to show how he tiered the first two rounds.
It’s also a great way to show how taking a pick for need rather than best player available can really hurt a team.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
BHP,
Obviously you dont care much for D-Mac as a Raider…….I admit I want the Raiders to pick him, and to tell you the truth…I will be upset if they choose any one else, accept for C. Long!!
But, who do you hope the Raiders pick and give me your’e reasons??
March 28th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
I’m outta here as well, but one thing to really consider when talking about Gholston:
He’s great against the pass, however he’s suspect against the run as he has a hard time shedding the LT. I can look up the quote, but if you check out various analysis it will point this way as well.
Edwards won’t just be camp fodder, he’ll be a good situational pass rusher.
The only way we go DE is if C Long is available. If not, then it’s either DMac/Dorsey/Ellis or whoever Al & Kiffin can agree on.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
D-Mac is the obvious pick……Im sorry to those of you who dont want him on our team…..But he looks like a lock to be a Raider if available!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
DSM,
I agree with you, but Long will be gone………..D-Mac is the obvious choice…..especially after all the D-Line help we got thru FA!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Man, that INT for a TD Carr had against the Steelers WAS sweet. But yeah, he said he wanted out, so it looks like he’s a Titan now.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
He is the obvious choice to you guy’s unfortunately you wont be making that pick.
Listen I like Mcfadden just not as much as you do. You guy’s think he’s capable of all kinds of things and I disagree I think he’s a speed back and that’s it.
I want a lot of things but they knw what that team needs and if I knew what they were thinking I wouldn’t put it in here. Personally I like Ellis, Dorsey, Gholston, Long and the OT Long.
McFadden is just not a dominant HB IMO and for my money there’s no way I draft him that high if he’s not.
We have what I feel is a dominant HB in Mb and a great change of pace back in Fargas. As far as versatility MB is much more so than DMC, and he can pass as well as DMC. He’s just a much better player.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Ghlston is far from suspect against the run anyone with half a brain would never project a DE that high if he were weak against the run. Sorry but that doesn’t fly. That kid has tremenduos potential as an every down DE/OLB and anyone that doesn’t think so would never draft him in the first round.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
March 28th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
BHP,
I respect your opinion……..Atleast I could agree with you w/Chris Long, but i’m not sure Bush will ever live up to expectations with that bum leg/ffot. And Fargas…..God Bless him, but he is nothing more than a complimentry back who was in a contract yr! I dont believe he or Bush can do for us what McFadden can.
I’m pulling for McFadden, but I respect your’e view!!
March 28th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
maybe higgins can step it up… right..
March 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
So far Higgins was a wasted pick!!
Hopefully, he worked on his game during the offseason and improved!!!
Only time will tell!!
March 28th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
What bum leg Glory?? that’s what I mean you have a vivid imagination. That kid is as healthy as anyone else if not more. But you’ll see soon enough There’s been tons of players that have come back from injuries much worse than his (Willis McGahee) and I’m sure that you are aware of that fact, but you want DMC so anything outside of him in your mind is suspect. MB is a BULL of a back and a great talent that couldn’t be healthier. so we’ll see
March 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
i could definitely see parcells taking gholston #1…..parcells first task when joining a team is to get someone to play the lawrence taylor rush LB position…..the DE in parcells D is not as important…..but howies kid is probably less of a risk….parcells filled the LT role by selecting demarcus ware higher than he was projected…..he will do it again with gholstom and the raiders will have a shot at long
March 28th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
OttO, I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised JMHO but I’m looking forward to making this a top notch defense for years to come.
March 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Alright, here’s my rationale going forward. If you look at our draft position from a standpoint of value, we either take a player that is the safest to invest in (OL or DL), or you take a player that brings fans to the stadium and can make big plays. Given Al Davis’ aggressiveness this offseason it makes sense that DMAC/Gholston/Dorsey/Long would be the most exciting picks. Either of these guys can make game-changing plays. If this is the top four rated players on Al’s board then my money is on DMAC. He’s a playmaker that fills a bigger need than pass rush or run defense. We lack a “burst” and he can certainly provide that. I don’t think he’s an every down back either, but he doesn’t need to be. I know he should be with this kind of money, but I can’t see Al passing on, what he perceives to be, the next AP. On the same note, I can’t see Kiffin disputing having a Reggie Bush type player in his offense. Both would agree on the pick. The only way this changes is if Chris Long is available, then Al makes the pick based on pedigree and he gets to see Howie back at HQ from time to time. I doubt Chris is there at #4, and there’s too many well justified reasons (in Al’s mind) to take DMAC.
March 28th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Assassin let me help you with yourlgic. You say he not an every down back but you also say that AD sees him as the next AP, who IS an every down back.
Also there are several big time backs in this draft that provide what DMC provides. Not to mention that he already has the REAL next AP in uniform MB. I know this makes too much sense so you guy’s wont get it but it’s just that YOU haven’t seen MB. I remember preaching the same thing last year about Russell when everyone was saying that he only had 1 great game (the bowl game) you guy’s were begging for CJ and at least I agreed with your assessment of CJ but DMC is waay overhyped.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:01 am
And trust me I’m not knocking you guy’s but you’re speaking for Mr. Davis by saying what HE thinks about McFadden when you don’t know. You’re listening to the media TELL you what he thinks, HE hasn’t said a word.
And he wont until the draft is done. You also have no idea what he thinks about MB, but you assume you do. As well as Fargas you guy’s think that Fargas is some fly by night wannabe. Guess what Mr. Davis disagrees with you. That I know for a fact.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Otto,
If the Dolfins do take Gholsten then yes it could be clear sailing to Chris Long. Good call man. I think what is being lost in all of this offseason Talk is the fact that the raiders personal shows they WILL show some 3-4 looks. We are about to see a hybid defense that has never been seen in the NFL. Personally I think that not only does our D have the talent to do great, but it could potentially run a system that will be the biggest tactical advance since the Tampa 2.
Rob Ryan has been biding his time to implement his “hybid”, and now with Sapp gone he is free to do so. This should be fun gentlemen and anyone who thinks that the “hybid” won’t be out in ‘08 just look at our D roster and you’ll see that a 3-4 shift is easy if not necesarry.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:08 am
thank you Priest-very well said.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Also if there is another Reggie Bush in this draft his name is not McFadden but I happen to believe that there is someone who has those same talents and he’s gettable. Quite frankly I like him better than Mcfadden for the Raiders. He is flat out scary in pen field with great hands, he played WR and runs good routes. This kid would make us one of most dangerous offensive teams in the league. When I think of him in our offense I get chills.
March 29th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Put it this way, could you imagine DeAngelo Hall on offense on a regular basis?
March 29th, 2008 at 12:19 am
No problem Lefty
March 29th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Watched this just now. Didn’t think I wanted the Raiders to get DMac until now…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZ2WoERYfU
March 29th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Yeah, yeah, everybodies seen that highlight reel, try atching Jamal Charles, Mendenhall’s, his highlight reel is great but watch theirs and you’ll see the difference. A halfback has to do much more than run fast.
March 29th, 2008 at 1:06 am
nite all
March 29th, 2008 at 1:37 am
i have a feeling the raiders will package burgess,washington and other players or draft picks for chad johnson.Then draft gholston to replace burgess?
March 29th, 2008 at 1:45 am
you guys are, for the most part, quite knowlegeable- but some of you are rather fickle. schweigert had a poor season:i know it, the world knows it, and he knows it. two years ago, he was praised for having great ball instincts. last year, he was part of a defense that everyone crowed about, although the offense was so helpless that teams didn’t need to do much to outscore us. now we are about to lose carr, and few care, although he contributed much that was positive to the team’s chemistry. how do you know that schweigert hasn’t been working his butt off during the off-season to master whatever new wrinkles kiff brought to the team? and ryan, another that so many want to see executed, wasn’t the worry last year that he would leave to become a head coach elsewhere? how do you know that schweigert won’t join the likes of sapp, cliff branch and gerald irons as comeback players? even old “dr. death” had a poor season and rebounded. everyone hated gallery, now he’s seen as serviceable. at least give schweigert the pre-season before you demand that he be drawn and quartered. then, if he hasn’t gotten it together, some of you will be very happy. we don’t know what goes on in these players lives, and, as in our own lives, sometimes adjustments take a little time. i’m glad i’m not constantly under a microscope! anyway, for most of you, keep up the good work and GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
March 29th, 2008 at 2:25 am
since i have the floor: we have done alot for the defense, although michael vick’s buddy has me dismayed. what about character? i’m loyal to the raider uniform, but if this guy hall can’t play cornerback, safety and linebacker, all at once, i’d like to see him out on his %$@! he’d better be sublime for all that money and the risk of his mouth on a rebuilding team. what about center? we saw in the last raider superbowl what mediocre center play can do to an otherwise great offense. and left tackle? will we fill these slots with free agents? who will protect the quarterback, and open holes? without answers, all this talk about d mac is a waste of time- gale sayers and marcus allen in the backfield do nothing without an above-average line. stabler and plunkett had great lines. what will we do, folks? i hope this is a prime concern to davis!
March 29th, 2008 at 3:50 am
DMAC’s 22 fumbles don’t really impress me. He might be a good back but he has butter fingers.
March 29th, 2008 at 4:12 am
I can’t believe how many of you want Carr gone. The guy is extremely flexible, he’s our utility man back there.
He’s been plugged in at FS and CB and done a hell of a job. He’s small but plays big and isn’t afraid of contact. AS a returner, he’s light years ahead of JLH, who makes me want to close my eyes when the ball’s coming down to him.
I really don’t understand it, especially when you consider how little it’ll cost to resign him.
March 29th, 2008 at 4:59 am
CARR WAS A GOOD RAIDER HE WILL BE MISSED
March 29th, 2008 at 5:04 am
I say if car wants to leave dont let the door hit you onthe way out. If it was not for the cenile old man in charge you would have no NFL career nobody drafted you. At least express some thanks for giving your first chance.
As for this years draft getting the six feeling unless Howie’s kid falls to 4. It will be mcfadden.
Which would be the wrong pick they got more pressing needs but whatever.
March 29th, 2008 at 5:15 am
we don’t need d mac, wr is more of a need I’m not sold on the group we have at this point. Another offensive lineman would be nice also
March 29th, 2008 at 6:40 am
No I cant imagine it at all. What gave you this brilliant idea ?
# Blackholepriest Says:
March 29th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Put it this way, could you imagine DeAngelo Hall on offense on a regular basis?
March 29th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Good luck to Chris Carr.
He always gave 100% and was a good player.
March 29th, 2008 at 6:42 am
Could McFadden be our slot receiver?
March 29th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
JJ says he will not trade up. Top 5 picks too pricey, bla bla,bla. I smell a smoke screen.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
March 29th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Prior to the Indy combine no one had ever mentioned the words “damaged goods” in reference to Glenn Dorsey. Some media-type dragged that phrase into play and the tag becomes part of lore.
Dorsey, an apparently outstanding young man who has never missed playing time and has had a hand in helping out the community where he can, has been quite dismayed with portrayal of him as injured and damaged.
A healthy mistrust of the media is the result. Cool. He already has that part of being a Raider in his character.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:03 am
No Kirk our slot receiver is Curry. And DMAC is a RB. Maybe RR will try and convert DMAC to a free safety..
March 29th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Yes, Good morning.
And, I also thank Chris Carr for his efforts while being part of the Silver and Black.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Mistabrown, morning.
According to some posters here DMc can help out at WR, KR, third down pass rusher, 2hd QB, FS, nickel back and be Kobe’s back-up at shooting guard in his spare time.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:08 am
M, id be happy with Dorsey but we need any one of those projected top 4 so I aint even speculating or playing arm chair GM. I’ll be in favor of whoever we pick there its the later rounds and possibility of trading down in the 1st that is holding my interest right now.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Mistabrown,
I had not even been thinking about Dorsey at #4, I just wanted to point out that the kid has the right character for Oaktown.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:15 am
And G’morn
March 29th, 2008 at 7:16 am
The Lakers lost to Memphis?????
HAHAHAHAHA no wonder Dakota isnt here!!!!
March 29th, 2008 at 7:25 am
The 49ers released Darrell Jackson ? I read that yesterday, who picked him up ? No, I dont want him in S&B just curious where he went..
March 29th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Mistabrown,
did you read that Stu Jackson finally offered apologies from the league to the W’s for them getting screwed by the call last Mon. against the Kobes? (As you wrote that same night,it felt like watching a Raider game when Fisher tackled Monta and then the call was completely opposite to what actually occurred.)
March 29th, 2008 at 7:38 am
What was the offer sheet $ for Chris Carr?
March 29th, 2008 at 7:40 am
I didnt read that but my thoughts were it was a no call. Monta ran through Fisher and Fisher held on to Monta for protection because he was going down. Alot of W fans and B. Fitzgerald included were adamant that Fisher grabbed Monta and pulled him down….I disagree but it was a no call.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:42 am
BHP: When you see these, in addition to any other sites you can locate, you’ll see I’m not the only one questioning the ability for Gholston to stop the run.
He’s NOT a complete DE per your post #47:
Blackholepriest Says:
March 28th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Ghlston is far from suspect against the run anyone with half a brain would never project a DE that high if he were weak against the run. Sorry but that doesn’t fly. That kid has tremenduos potential as an every down DE/OLB and anyone that doesn’t think so would never draft him in the first round.
I have more than “half a brain” you moron. This is the second time you called me out, with the first being about the “32 draft boards” last night.
“This past season, Gholston had a breakout season for the Buckeyes and displayed his tenacity as a pass rusher by attaining 15.5 tackles for a loss and 14 sacks. As a sophomore, Gholston posted 15 tackles for a loss and recorded 8.5 sacks.
Gholston’s ability as a pass rusher has never been questioned, but his inconsistency defending the run is well documented. As strong as Gholston is, he has trouble disengaging from blockers to consistently position himself to make tackles.
At 6-foot-3, 266 pounds, Gholston has all the intangibles to improve his inconsistent run defense and displayed those qualities this offseason in front of scouts.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7957044/Head-2-Head:-Long-vs.-Gholston
March 29th, 2008 at 7:43 am
M, if Nellie would play CJ Watson a little more BD would have had some juice left for the 4th quarter and OT, same goes for Jack. Nellie is a stubborn fool sometimes when it comes to bench players getting time. Dont get me started on B Wright the whole world can see that kid needs to be on the court at least AT LEAST 10 mins a game.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:45 am
DSM, if you havent noticed already BHP thinks he knows the world inside & out.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:45 am
My feeling was that the refs should’ve used the ol’ NBA standby. Unpile the bodies, call a double foul, reset the inbounds play. Stu Jackson on the other hand was in the W’s corner on the issue.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:49 am
DSM,
we’ve already got DEs who have been lackluster against the run. Hope the workout warrior goes elsewhere.(I read the same article).
March 29th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Mistabrown: I totally agree with you. He sounds like a granda/father who must dumb it down to explain his comment because we aren’t educated enough to comprehend him?
I don’t know if you had a chance to see my post #312 on the “Edwards signing” blog (previous to this). It listed BSPN’s Todd McShay’s tier system for the first two rounds.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:55 am
M, if we didnt miss so many free throws it wouldnt have came down to OT..
If we take care of Denver tonight that will propel us to the 7th spot I believe. If we lose tonight its going to be a dog fight for the 8th.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:56 am
M- I agree, I was very interested until I did some research and found he was suspect against inferior Big Ten competition in terms of rushing D. If he had a problem in the Big Ten, then he definitely has an uphill climb in reaching his potential to be a every down DE.
I’m for C Long first, DMac, or a trade down for a bounty of picks and hopefully a player too.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:59 am
DSM, you know playing the run isnt necessary in RR’s scheme so Gholston sounds like a perfect fit.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Mistabrown- To me there’s really no comparison when deciding to draft either Gholston or DMac in terms of talent.
Both upgrade already decent positions.
Gholston may not be a complete DE, but his pash rush capabilities will be awesome.
However, I think DMac would provide more explosiveness to the offense than Gholston would the D.
Imagine a solid zone line, having a big Bush in the backfield, Miller at TE, McFadden in the slot, Walker & Curry at wideout, and of course Russell at QB.
What does a D do, especially when DMac goes in motion!
March 29th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Carr did seem like a class guy, but he said he wanted out. I and seemingly Al have always thought when a player wanted to leave let him leave. He always seemed to run full speed into coverage, never making any moves that might lead to a TD. I wish him luck.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Just a thought. If Gholston is looked at as having played against inferior Big 10 opponents, then you have to rate Jake Long the same way as he played against the same competition.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:13 am
#96…Shut up, you don’t know anything about hoops….
March 29th, 2008 at 8:14 am
ExLA,
yep, its chicken entrails, tea leaves, star charts and Ouija board time in war rooms across the country.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:15 am
I would leave Curry in the slot and use Carter on the outside, if you want to roll out DMAC send him to the other slot now you have Walker, Curry, Carter, and DMAC. I like 4 wides and send the TE too spread the D out and let JR pick his target.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Man, if it wasn’t for the NFL Network showing the scouting combine you all wouldn’t know half of the players in the draft…those Big Ten guys suck in the pros..those Big Ten guys can play against their own conference, but get blown away by the top teams from other conferences
March 29th, 2008 at 8:20 am
#104…Who cares what you would do…you aren’t the coach
March 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am
How does Walker just step into the No.1 receiver role? He isn’t the No. 1…he is more likely to get hurt again so I don’t even kno why folks are counting on him like that…it is a fantast to think Walker will play 16 full games..
March 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am
At the same time, having a healthy Bush in the backfield or even Fargas would confuse the hell out of the D.
Are we going to run, is the play action going to be called, is DMac going into motion and if so is it a run, screen, or dump off?
Everyone points out DMac’s body type, but no one really talks about if you give this guy 5 yards of open space he’s going to burn you for 6.
If it’s Bush, then a power back could pound the rock for 5 yard carries simply because there’ll only be at the max 7 in the box.
DMac will provide FEAR and confusion. I love it!!
March 29th, 2008 at 8:26 am
If this team drafts McFadden you have Fargas between the tackles, DMAC for change of pace, and honestly, Curry, Carter, Higgins, and Miller would be good enough. JLH was a 3rd round pick last year, so we should give him a pass, his learning curve was steep..he’ll be a srurpise this year, he has the instincts…remember everyone loved him when he ran that kickoff back in preseason
March 29th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Eric- Walker is three year’s removed from his primary ACL surgery. This is the year he should break out. He obviously passed through the Raiders medical screening process and wouldn’t have been signed if they didn’t think he was capable.
Look at last year when we signed Culpepper and his gimpy knee. He passed the medical tests.
Walker doesn’t have the extra weight a big guy like DC has therefore less strain. Look at another player like TE Winslow and his gimpy knee.
It takes time to heal.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:27 am
They should maybe let Bush go elsewhere…
March 29th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Not to mention about 10 other teams were interested in Walker. Davis did the right thing and paid him before it turned into a bidding war.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Eric- You’re nuts dude.
We get the steal of last year’s draft with Bush and if he’s as good as Fargas that’ll be good enough.
If we land DMac, Bush becomes kind of like our Brandon Jacobs but with good hands.
When DMac is used like Reggie in a two back set with Bush, and DMac goes in motion Bush will be a very nice beat you down RB to get 5 yards.
By the 4th quarter we can go into the I and have O’Neal pounding the line meanwhile Bush/DMac get huge gains as the defense will be hurting.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:33 am
They are letting Bush go! They are releasing him to the playing field instead of the practice field!
lmao
March 29th, 2008 at 8:34 am
DSM he is just trolling.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Ya, all Big 10 players suck as pros. Tom Brady and A.J. Hawk must be laughing at that post.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:40 am
After watching USC the past few seasons, especially since Kiffin left, does anyone notice how the offense just doesn’t seem in sync like it was with Kiffin?
I’m sure glad we didn’t hire Sarkisian as head coach because he’s obviously having a problem with all of the talent at USC. Obviously both Kiffin and Sark were co-offensive coordinators, however it’s obvious Kiffin was an integral part of the game plan.
Now Kiffin’s in his second season and will have more talent to work with and show us his skills as a play caller in addition to coaching the team.
Al’s hired a very good and up an coming head coach. Just keep your head up and we’ll get good again.
I keep saying ‘09 is the year we see the AFC Championship!!
March 29th, 2008 at 8:43 am
When I look at players from Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio State, or Penn State I see players that were big time recruits therefore they get a pass for being from the Big Ten, especially players from OSU or Michigan.
However, if you break down the schedules of Ohio State, Wisconsin, & Michigan you can see how it’s easy for them to get into a bowl game every year.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:44 am
If we do draft McDadden, I hope we can put a stop to his gay arm flexes.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am
NATION what up, first off let me say that I am not a fan of drafting DMAC. I would prefer LT,DT, or trade down. But in reality it doesnt matter any of the top 5 would do nicely.
I live in san diego but from the yay. The true discharger fans that i talk to are scared to S#!t of us drafting DMAC. For those of you who think M.Bush is cannon fodder think again. He is by far the biggest steal in the last couple of years of the draft. Having watched a lot of his games he is fo real no doubt. his leg is good he will be good. Now what the whole NFL should be fearing is giving Kiffin a tool like DMAC with Bush. It will be USC all over again but this time on the NFL Level. These 2 would create nightmares for the opposition the key question is will we be able to score more points? If teams have to keep up with us because we can score more if that is the assumption then they will be in for a rude awakeining.
More Points = More sacks and Int’s
the other teams will have to pass to keep up with us. Against this D that is a no no. We have on paper the best secondary in the NFL. Pass on us try if you like.
Mix in some 8 in the box, and some all out send in the FIRM blitzing. rivers, croyle, cutler you will soon see and feel the greatness of what is the NATION.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Dakota,
Grizzlies are tough critters aren’t they?
March 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Chris Carr is a great guy. Grow up here in my home town Reno, Nevada. Did an excellent job in high school, college and for the Oakland Raiders. Not many people can just walk on to a team and he did. He is a very easy going guy. I wish he would stay with the raiders but I understand a he needs to make a living just like everybody else. Good luck to you Chris.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:49 am
M,
I am still trying to recover from the shock of the last couple games, I am depressed.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Mistabrown, post 114 is funny as hell. LMAO
March 29th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Thec,
nice post (120). Always nice to know what freezes opposing fans.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Mistabrown, I must say you got some funny ish. you are good for some laughs, keep it coming. LOL
March 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I knew guys would bring up AJ Hawk…he’s cool, but he’s no game breaking LB..OVERRATED…Bush is coming off injury, and there is nothing nuts about releasing a guy who missed a whole season, not to mention, what would we be missing? Everyone assuming on if’s with this guy…a steal of the draft doesn’t miss a whole year…
March 29th, 2008 at 8:54 am
“A steal of the draft.”…why? because ESPN and FOX said so? Based upon who played last year, he was hardly a steal…
March 29th, 2008 at 8:55 am
What is all this talk about releasing Bush? Why would we do that at this point? Maybe after training camp or the preseason, but I doubt he will be cut before being given an opportunity to show what he has left.
March 29th, 2008 at 8:56 am
M, The “true discharger fans” and i use the term very loosely also did not appreciate us getting D.Hall. They fully understand that with rivers he wont be able to pass against us. S#!t look at his stats he never does good against us anyway. I had a discharger fan pop off and say cromartie and jammer are better than Aso and Hall. no need to comment on that one. Unlike the NATION where you guys know your S#!t. you canr come on this blog half way or you will get roasted. discharger fans 99.99 percent of them are bandwagoes. the true fans allready know that we will be moving up the food chain they just dont know how far yet.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:00 am
“It takes time to heal”…wow…have you ever had a knee injury the magnitude of his? A guy with a knee problem the last two years, missed 14 games last year, and he’s supposed to start all 16 games? At NFL speed, with all the cuts and moves required out of a receiver? His knee is going to be just fine? Not sold on him the whole season..
March 29th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Dakota,
Michael Bush is doing fine. That’s just Eric “Everybody is an Idiot except me” Farrell offering non-wisdom.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Eric F, I watch a lot of college football so I go by my own opinion on this one. What i saw with my own eyes and not youbtube was Bush running wild on opposing Dfenses. Bush was awesome in college and before his leg was broken was projected as a top 5 pick. So IMHO to get a top 5 pick who has healed is a steal in my book. Unless you have a better name for it?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Let’s not bring up old news…no ones an idiot here, just a bunch of folks banking on IF’s
March 29th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Thec,
thanks for the further illumination.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Knee injury? WTF? This guy obviously does not know what the heck he is talking about.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Dakota, He is mixing the bag. One minute talking about bush, next walker, then bush. cyclical loop.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am
#133…A top five pick that dropped to the 4th round because of his injury..no one is disputing he was a great college RB but that was in college..not every back that gets injured in college has a Willis McGahee like recovery
March 29th, 2008 at 9:06 am
ooops, my bad, sorry Eric.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Dakota,
Exactly.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Calf injury, whatever…it’s funny how people assume I don’t know what I’m talking about..Dakota, you live in a state that has no major profeesional sports teams…let’s not start this again….
March 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Eric, not trying to play DR Thec. Nor Am I a trying to convince you of anything. dont know much about magahee cuase he does not play for the NATION. IMHO I beleive he will be agood if not great RB.
Nuff said.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Later Nation. Projects await. Check y’all further in the continuum.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am
OK, Dakota and M wants to start the gay, little back and forth
March 29th, 2008 at 9:09 am
M,
How are you today? Any big plans? Wiskey, wine and women?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am
M, Later Bro!
March 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am
I want to remind some people of the difference between Michael Bush and DMac. One had a metal rod inserted in his leg and the other didnt.I have read the pros and cons of DMac, but lets get the kid. We need to score touch downs and break big runs.We need a game changing back. If we get Bush in their and he runs wild great for the Raiders.The Raiders should retain Carr it’s short money.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:12 am
147…EXACTLY
March 29th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Why should the Raiders have to depend on a kid with a rod in his leg when a perfectly healthy RB with game breaking potential is there to be had…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Eric,
What, are you in third grade? You bash my State? What kind of argument is that? A pathetic one really. You think sports knowledge is directly linked to a person’s proximity to a major sports arena? What an idiot.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:15 am
#136..”this guy.”…a fat, middle aged, out of state mountain mutt refers to me as “this guy”…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Why are you even talking to me, dude? Continue to blog, bring up your own points…its amazing how people get on the computer and just assume they know someones personality
March 29th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Pathetic.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:17 am
read my post #120. Never compared Bush to DMAC. Only suggested that we would be more potent using both.
I also stated that it really doesnt matter who we take.
any one of those top 5 guys we could use.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am
“What an idiot..”…lol..if you had the opportunity to have access to major sports like I have, since I live in a big state that actually have inner cities with DIVERSE people, not just a bunch of lily whites, maybe you would understand why I bash your state….
March 29th, 2008 at 9:19 am
31 is middle aged? Fat? How old are you Eric? Seriously, that is third grade stuff. Grow up.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:20 am
the rod was there to help it heal right, he doesn’t need it but it would require ewtra surgery, and extra recovery time, to remove, so they kept it in, and it actually reduces the risk of another break, and let’s remember, it was a clean break, no knee problems to speak of, he’s 100%, and at the moment actually stronger and more explosive than he was in college, so don’t worry about his leg, but still mcfadden is a beast, bush may be a beast, it’s best to take the sure thing, and i will guarrantee that mcfadden is that, and if bush turns into a pro bowler as well then the rich get richer…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Tommy t nice to have you on board sir. Kiff gets to run the USC style in oakland. I would use them both let the opposing D’s figure it out.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:22 am
What is really pathetic is a guy in Dakota in a California based blog..WE KNOW out here in Cali that you don’t have anything to do today but watch TV.. I can actaully GO to the Giants-A’s game today..I get to watch my Warriors, who kicked your Lakers ass last week, not to mention my WARRIORS are inside of your freaking superstar’s head now…LA lost to Memphis last night becasue of GSW..and LA don’t want GSW in the 1st round…bounce you punks just like we did Dallas last year…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:23 am
normally i would jump in his argumant, because one of you is extremely ignorant, but i just don’t have the energy this early in the morning…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:23 am
now, you want to test my sports knowledge? Let’s go, out of state punk…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Screw the name calling, bro, let’s go head up on sports knowledge…
March 29th, 2008 at 9:25 am
eric, dakota, can we please just talk raiders, this is childish
March 29th, 2008 at 9:26 am
nah man, because Dakota likes to start things and bring up old news….
March 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am
#57 BHP- EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
March 29th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Lol, what would you like to discuss Eric?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:30 am
I’m not liking McFadden anymore - I don’t care about his 80 yard runs - fumble problems, weak lower body strength, etc. - he’s a scat back in the NFL - no way we should pick him at #4 - he’s another reggie bush - somebody will want to trade up for one of C.Long, J.Long, Gholston, or Dorsey/McFadden - even if we drop down only a couple spots, we can drop again later on in the first round - we don’t need running backs - Rhodes is a better all around back then McFadden, and can handle the thrid down duties - I know it looks like we’re drafting McFadden, so I’m not going to be surprised, and I’ll hope for the best, and I think if he’s going to be successful in any system it would be our ZBS scheme because he has an amazing first cut and speed to get to the second level, but he’s no Adrian Peterson or LT, and since that’s the case, I’d rather pass. If Al wasn’t dead set on having Kelly play DT, I’d go after Dorsey or Ellis and have Kelly play Burgess’ old spot to shore up the run D on that side.
Oh well, DMAC will add some big plays to the offense, I just don’t think he’s worth the price. I’d even be happier taking J. Long knowing he’s probably only going to be a good RT since his feet are on the slow side. He’s got less bust potential than DMAC - that speed doesn’t do a lot for you in the NFL if you can’t break tackles or hold onto the ball. Hopefully C. Long or Gholston will fall to us.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Well, I’ll jump in on the Lakers part of it.
No Cal basketball fans are hilarious when it comes to your dilusional fantasies about beating the Lakers.
Look at you …
Look at the meaning you put on an end of the year regular season victory. And, uh, by the way, you lost the next night, remember?
Dallas comparison? That was like Gruden playing Callahan. That was Nellie’s old team so of course he was going to beat them.
Sports knowledge, and you want to run your Ws vs Lakers smack.
Wake up dude!
March 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Careful Frozen, you can’t post here because Eric Farrell only allows those people from major cities in California to post on this blog, lol.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Dakota, LOL
March 29th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Eric….How about you keep the racist remarks to yourself?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Sorry …
Back to Raiders.
Dline TT if Bush is as healthy as you say.
If one of the DTs is considered one of the 6 elite prospects in the draft, along with McFadden, I just think it would be wise to pair one of those guys with Kelly. Just thinking long term as I don’t see Burgess and Warren around after next year.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Eric Farrell?-I break heem.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am
You kno what the best thing about being a member of the NATION is? You can see a guy walking down any street if he has Raider gear you can instantly bond with that guy and start talking NATION. doesnt matter what race the person is. The NATION is 2 colors and 2 colors only. Silver and Black, race is irelevant to the NATION.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am
The Lakers suck. Kobe went back to his hedonistic, ball hogging ways, scored 57 points and the Lakers still lost. In fact the Fakers lost successive games to Charlotte and Memphis. How does a championship contending team do that? The Golden State Warriors showed the Fakers what heart is all about, and the Fakers confidence is now rattled.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Frozen you are from Alaska right? According to Eric’s theory, since South Dakota has approximately 13,000 more inhabitants than Alaska, and we have more semi-pro sports teams, I therefore have more sports knowledge than you, lol. What a bizarre outlook on thing he has. Kind of sad really.
Sorry, I don’t mean to bring you into the middle of this. You are just a great example of how Raider fans are everywhere.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am
i would love long or gholston, but i don’t see the same need that many of you do, mcfadden will be a first ballot HOFer, he is an all around great back in the mold of LT, OJ, and AP, he has potential reminiscent of barry and bo, he IS the best RB prospect in 20 years, he has the versatility of reggie bush as well as the all around skills of adrian peterson, bush may be a pro bowler, we don’t know, but we know for sure that mcfadden will be a HOFer, and the impact a player like that can have on a team is imeasurable, look what barry did for DET, they would never have had a winning season without him, let alone make the playoffs, we have a team with playoff potential this year, mcfadden would assure it
March 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Thec….You are right to most of us it is that way….as it SHOULD be
March 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am
well said thec
March 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Kush, my confidence in the Lakers has certainly taken a hit in the last couple of games, but then I realize that we have two starters out and two starters playing with major injuries, and I realize that at the end of the day, if our two starters come back healthy (big if, I know) we will be right in the mix for the title.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am
See what I mean …
Never mind that Charlotte plays well against the Lakers as they’ve won the last 4 out of 5.
Nevermind the fact that Fisher was playing with a torn tendon is his foot, and Lamar was playing with the Flu.
Right … It was the Ws who “shook” the Lakers.
Ok, ok …
Let’s just see if you can hold on to the 7th spot and see us in the playoffs.
If it goes more than 5 games, I’ll meet you at a Raiders game and give you a zip of your namesake that’ll blow your wig back.
Put your $ where your mouth is playa …
March 29th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Tommy, In your opinion what are we going to do next in FA. Should we expect another major signing?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Eazy E said: I have a feeling the raiders will package burgess,washington and other players or draft picks for chad johnson.Then draft gholston to replace burgess?
None of us can predict the future Eazy, but your hypothesis does make alot of sense, and I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
I’m pretty sure sly as a fox Al Davis is NOT done yet making free agency moves yet. I think we all get the sense that Al has another blockbuster deal in the makings. The question is at what position? Will it be linebacker, will it be defensive tackle, or will it be receiver. Well, knowing Al’s propensity to go after big name, disgruntled players, I definitely wouldn’t be surprised to see Chad Johnson in silver and black before the season starts.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I don’t know if the Raiders are the most popular team up here or not, but Raider fans fly more colors here than anyone else. As far as sports knowledge goes based on geography, I duuno, I’ve read some pretty sketchy stuff from Californians.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Why is Al Davis waiting to release Lamont Jordan? Is he just trying to make it less likely that an AFC West team will pick him up? No team will trade for him so why is he doing this to Jordan? Jordan sucks, but he is a Raider and he deserves a chance to get into the market and see if he can find a spot on a team for next year. Is Al just being vindictive, or is there some logical sense in holding on to him until the market is dry?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I would like to see us get a good LB in FA. I keep lobbying for Spikes. would be a nice fit. But what the hell d wil we be running the same 4-3, or 3-4? Maybee the “Hybrid” is a mix of both. Should be fun whatever it is. yeah I hope Al is not done. I do get the feeling that something big will hit before the draft.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am
If McFadden is an any ballot HOF’r, you make a good point.
Any chance that C. Long, Dorsey, or Ellis ends up as a HOF’r, in your opinion?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:57 am
DMAC=R.Bush
That being said I really can’t believe he is a sure thing. He is going to be a very good situational\change of pace guy like reggie, but will not be able to carry a full load.Look what happened to reggie when he had to take over full time duty at RB, he struggled. DMAC relied heavily on speed in college, and he is very fast(yes I have seen his 40 time), but you must remember that everyone is faster in the NFL, and his stiff arm just aint gonna work as well.
M.Bush will be a monster(if 100% which is most likely). He is not the type that is going to score 50+ yard touchdowns(but possible) but he is going to grind grind grind. He will wear down defenses and is very good in the red zone, exactly what we need. His running is exactly what we need to set up our passing offense because D’s will have to stack the box. Having a grinding running attack also helps our D, and u should know why. We had a top 5 rushing attack last year, we will be inserting a guy that is an upgrade.And remember that he has a chip on his shoulder and somethin to prove, he thought he was healthy last year and didn’t understand why they wouldn’t let him in, he wants to make a statement.
That being said DMAC becomes a luxury pick, I won’t be mad if we get him, but I think our DL is still in need of some run stopping and pass rush, even with the signings this OS, we have added role players and potential, and we need to keep doing it through the draft.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Thec, I lived in San Diego for a few years and if there’s one thing I know, it’s that S.D. fans don’t know sh*t about football - they know the name McFadden, but that’s it - that makes me not want to draft him that much more - but if Kiffin could get the Thunder/Lighting with Bush/McFadden that he had with LenWhale White and Reggie Bush, then I have to agree with you - on paper it sounds so good! In reality they are two unproven college studs - White and Bush aren’t exactly setting the record books on fire in the NFL anyway.
If we truly want to be competitive, we need to address our weaknesses, not our strengths - run game = good, run d = bad. fix the run d. If defense wins championships, we’re only a few players away from having a really dominant team. The O will be improved from another year in the system and with Russell at the helm - D’s will have to respect the deep ball with our two new wideouts (both have deep speed *if healthy, yikes!*), Miller and Curry are great possession recievers, and Fargas & Rhodes can split the load (either can start) and get us 4.2-4.5 yards per carry - Bush is the X factor - similar measurables to Terrell Davis (a little bigger, a little faster, and excellent vision/cutting ability) - let’s see what we got with him, even if he busts we have a top 6 running game (without Bush or Jordan) coming back with another year in the system.
Our present problem is that the only NT we have is Sands, and he’s below average/backup quality. Dorsey and Ellis are both 3 technique DT’s, and Kelly is slated to start there with Warren presumably backing him up - if Warren starts at the NT position, then we’re screwed in the run game because Kelly and Warren are the same penetrator type of player - we need a space eater in order to stop the run, and good ones are available in the second round - but we don’t have that pick anymore (good trade though, gauranteed pro-bowler that’s only 24 years old for a 2nd and 5th? I’ll take that deal everytime - except for PacMan). I would like to start Warren at the DT, Kelly on the left side against the ROT to shore up the run and provide a pass rush (his skills would overwhelm ROT’s), trade burgess for a 2, draft a NT in round 2 with that pick, and select Long or Gholston at #4. That would really fix our screwed up Roster:
RDE Long/Edwards (Speed/Rush Ends)
DT Warren/Joseph (Penetrators)
DT Okam/Sands (Run Stuffers)
LDE Kelly/Richardson (both large DE’s that can match up against ROT’s)
What nobody is owning up to is that Warren Sapp, Tommy Kelly, and G. Warren are ALL 3 techniques. So when you play them on the line at the same time in any combination, your run D will suffer because they don’t occupy lineman so our LB’s can flow to the ball. Add that to the fact that Burgess is a liability against the run (somebody back me up on that) and Sands is weak when he’s in there and Richardson is a backup in this league and it’s no wonder why we gave up so many yards on the ground.
I gaurantee a top 15 rush defense with the following personnel at the right position
Edwards
Warren
Draft Pick that pans out that’s a NT (not dorsey/ellis)
Kelly
I gaurantee a top 10 rush defense with
Long/Gholston
Warren
Draft Pick that Pans Out
Kelly
I gaurantee another bottom 20 rush D if we field this:
Edwards
Kelly
Warren
Burgess
There’s obviously other combinations to work with on our curent roster and based on who we draft, but we need reposition our players - you can’t just field the best players on your roster - that doesn’t work - it has to be at their natural position or where their natural abilities suit a specific position/weakness.
The definition of insanity is reapeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome!
March 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am
damn, that was long, sorry. Hopefully it was *Chris* Long
March 29th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Dakota,
The Lakers have OWNED the Warriors except for the Rick Barry years and that was so long ago that his kids are nearing retirement age. Let’s compare NBA titles since they both moved to the West Coast. Furthermore, they remind me of the L.A., Calif., Anaheim, L.A. Angels of Anaheim because they can’t even keep one cities name because there market is too small. Like calling them the Dakota Warriors. Now that even sounds better.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am
dorsey, ellis and long all have potential, which is why they’re considered top 5 picks, dorsey has the biggest bust potential of the 3 but also the highest ceiling, he could be better than sapp or an absolute bust, ellis is for sure an adequate starter and probably a pro bowler, in the right situation he could reach canton, long at worst is brayton+6 to 8 sacks a year, at best, he is better than his dad, at worst mcfadden goes to 2 pro bowls, at best, he is better than barry, my projection is somewhere in between
March 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am
most players like jordan get cut after june 1st, usually in case a trade can be made and salary cap reasons.
from l. pasquarelli article:
What the date represented in the past was a mechanism for teams to unload overpriced veteran players and, by waiting until after June 1, to lessen the impact on that season’s salary cap.
Example: Let’s say a team signed a player to a five-year contract that included a $10 million signing bonus, but after two seasons of the deal determined he no longer fit their plans and wanted to release him. Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, the team would be charged $6 million against its cap, the remaining prorated share of the signing bonus, if he was released before June 1. But by delaying the release until after June 1, the team would be charged only $2 million against its current cap, with the $4 million balance carrying over into the following season’s spending limit.
The other reason some players were released around June 1 was because they had roster bonuses built into their contracts that were payable early that month. To avoid paying the roster bonuses to players who were no longer productive, teams would simply release them.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:07 am
The satifaction in beating they shorthanded Lakers is like feeling good about beating the Bulls minus Pippen and Rodman, the Warriors minus Thurmond and Barry, or the 76’s without Doc J. I like to puff out my chest when we beat a team at full strenght.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Jedi, That was a very good read. As stated in previous post I would prefer we:
1. Get the best LT.
2. Get the best DT.
3. Trade Down.
I would not be mad at the Idea of getting DMAC gives us a lot of options. Kiff will do a lot better with his options.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am
TT,
Well it could all be mute if we could find a way to get back into the top part of the 2nd rd.
If we could get Sims or Laws in the 2nd, D Mac would be ok at #4.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:14 am
DT is not the need LT is, if we got into the 2nd, baker or cherilus would surely be the pick
March 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Hmmm …
Are we sure that the Gallery at LT expiriment is over?
March 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I don’t know …
I just seem to have a bit more faith in the O line and TC. I just don’t see our starting LT not already being on the team.
I don’t know who it is, but I don’t remember who Atlanta or Denver had playing LT during their ZBS successful years.
I don’t think we need a pro bowl LT per se. Just a guy who can do his job and not get too many penalties.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
yes, he was a good RT, a sub par LT(factoring in that shell was the coach only brings him up to sub par), and a great OG, if he can lose he penalties he’ll make the pro bowl, it’s best to leave him be and find a LT in the draft, we have options but harris and henderson can not be he only one’s competing, let’s not assume that we will have a 2nd, le’s assume that we will get a 3rd for fabs and nothing more, we can use the 3rd on a LT and the 4th on a DT, then we can all be happy, but there’s no reason to beleive we will have a 2nd
March 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am
That should make us all happy …
March 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder: I definitely understand the satisfaction of beating a team at their full strength.
I felt that way earlier this season when the Warriors beat 1)San Antonio WITH Tim Duncan,2)Cleveland WITH Lebron,3)Boston WITH KG,Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen,4)Houston twice WITH Yao Ming,5)New Orleans WITH Chris Paul, should I keep going???
The bottom line is that The Warriors are for real this year. They are no fluke. They have consistently stepped up and beat the best teams in THE LEAGUE this year when they needed to.
Yes I understand that the Lakers don’t have Bynum and Gasol, but that don’t change the fact that HEART overcomes so called Big Name players any day of the week, and the Warriors have more heart than any other team in the league. Night in and Night out they have consistently lived up to the meaning of their name.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
I must say I just dont get a lot of you guys and this DMC craze. Yeah, I’ve seen the highlight reels so pls refrain from posting that again for ur argument. I’ve pointed out numerous - serious - flaws in DMC’s game that will prevent him, at this point, from being a dominant back. Yet you all ignore common sense and continue with your fantacies of what could be. Well he’s NOT what you think he is!!~!
Look at the freakin’ defensive line for crying