Would Raiders pick a WR in Rd. 1?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Let’s assume for a moment the Raiders, with only five selections in this year’s draft, will consider trading the No. 4 overall pick to get additional selections.
As it stands, the Raiders pick in the first round (No. 4), the fourth (No. 104), the sixth (No. 169) and twice in the seventh (Nos. 213 and 226).
“More than ever, that’s something to look at because of not having a second-round pick, or a third or fifth,” coach Lane Kiffin said at the NFL owner’s meetings. “We could trade down. More than ever, because of having so few picks, if a certain player isn’t there I think you really have to look at that.”
If the Raiders trade down into the middle or late first round and the highest-rated player on their board is a wide receiver, then what?
A big part of the rebuilding process is giving JaMarcus Russell everything he needs to become a winning player, and in that regard, you can’t have enough quality receivers.
The Raiders have already added Javon Walker and Drew Carter in free agency, with incumbent Ronald Curry still on the roster along with second-year receiver Johnnie Lee Higgins.
But it’s worth noting that Walker, Carter and Curry have combined for nine major surgical procedures and that Higgins was less-than-overwhelming as a rookie out of Texas El-Paso.
So you don’t rule out the possibility of taking a receiver in Round 1 if the Raiders were to trade back.
Based on the Raiders draft history, as well as unpredictability of the position, it seems unlikely. On the other hand, if rumors of Al Davis wanting to poach Chad Johnson from Cincinnati are true, he is open to the idea of another explosive player at the position.
Since the merger in 1970, Oakland has taken wide receivers in the first round three times _ Mike Siani of Villanova in 1972, Jessie Hester of Florida State of 1985, and Tim Brown of Notre Dame in 1988.
Only Hester fit the supposed Raiders profile of a stretch-the-field deep threat, and he happened to be the least successful of the three. Siani was a medium-depth receiver with great hands and terrific ability to adjust to a ball in flight, and Brown a catch-and-run all-purpose offensive player who also excelled as a return specialist.
Last season, the Raiders could have taken Calvin Johnson with the No. 1 overall pick and passed. In 2004, they brought in Larry Fitzgerald for a visit on the same day they had in Robert Gallery and Eli Manning, and ended up with Gallery at No. 2 after Manning went No. 1.
Their philosophy has been to bring in experienced receivers rather than use a premium pick on one, and given that it is one of the most difficult positions to judge, it is difficult to argue with the strategy.
“It has the biggest mortality rate of any position percentage-wise,’’ said Gil Brandt, the former Dallas personnel executive who works with NFL.com as an analyst. “It’s buyer beware. There are always a lot of issues. If I pass on the first round and go in to the second or third round, is there going to be a dramatic dropoff? The answer is probably no.’’
Walker was a first-round pick by Green Bay in 2002 (No. 20 overall), but Carter was a fifth-round choice by Carolina and Curry, Oakland’s leading receiver the past two years, was a seventh-round draft pick after playing quarterback at North Carolina.
This year’s crop of wide receivers is considered fairly deep but with nothing approaching Johnson’s status last year, when he was the No. 2 overall selection by Detroit.
At the NFL combine, casual conversation with most coaches or talent evaluators seemed to indicate Oklahoma’s Malcolm Kelly (6-foot-4, 224 pounds) and Cal’s DeSean Jackson (5-10, 169) were at the top of the list, with Limas Sweed of Texas (6-4, 215), Devin Thomas (6-2, 215) of Michigan State, James Hardy (6-6, 217) of Indiana and Michigan’s Mario Manningham possibilities (6-0, 181) in the late-first or early-second category.
Since then, some injury concerns with Kelly (leg) and Sweed, combined with Jackson’s size may have vaulted Thomas into the spot as the top receiver.
Of those six receivers, all but Jackson and Mannigham are physical specimens in the mold of Johnson and and Dwayne Bowe, the two most productive rookies last season. Bowe, a college teammate of Russell at LSU, finished with 70 receptions for 998 yards and five touchdowns despite playing for one of the NFL’s poorest passing offenses.
Among Jackson’s supporters include Jerry Rice, who worked with him in the offseason and likens him to Carolina Pro Bowl receiver Steve Smith. Jackson also is a dangerous return specialist, an open position with Chris Carr having joined the Tennessee Titans after the Raiders declined to match an offer sheet.
Manningham restored some of the luster he lost at the combine with a 40-yard dash time in the 4.4 range at his pro day after running in the 4.6 range in Indianapolis.
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April 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I sure hope not.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Trade back, lol. In what universe has Al Davis ever traded out of the top of the first round?
April 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
go get em
April 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Tradedown with Cinci, get Ocho Cinco. There’s your receiver in the first round.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
no childern in to claim first. good job dakota.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
It certainly looks like DE is the pick at #4. Move up if we have to or trade Sands or Warren and take one of the DT’s.
We should be able to walk away with either Chris Long or Dorsey. IMO the 2 best lineman at their positions.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
That would leave cincy with 1 WR. with a thin WR corp in the draft, and chris henry being well chris henry doubt that 85 will be in silver and black anytime soon. Would be a nice addition though.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
We have more needs at d and o-line.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Yeah, I know, still hopin’ though.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Need? Okay Stu Inman, go with need over talent.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
We have waaaaay more pressing needs on both lines. That’s exactly right.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Nonsense, Gerry. There will be some decent WR prospects still on the Board at the top of the 4th, including:
Donnie Avery, Houston. Was a little disapppointing at the draft - he only ran a 4:40! This guy has real speed and good hands. Yes, Houston run an odd system but the material is all there.
Keenan Burton, Kentucky. He is 6-0, 200lbs and is just a solid, reliable, smart football player. Very safe option. And under-rated because he doesn’t have blazing track speed.
Marcus Monk, Arkansas. Big: 6-4, 222lbs. He’s not fast and is recovering from knee surgery but, if the medics give the all-clear, he could be a steal. Monk had 50 receptions and 11 TDs despite playing with the SEC’s worst QBs.
Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State. The opposite of Monk. Small (5-9), but ran a 4-37 at the Combine and had a good senior bowl. Not to be discounted.
And if we wait until the 6th round, we might have a shot at the likes of Adrian Arrington (Michigan), Ernie Wheelwright (Minnesota) and Mark Bradford (Stanford).
If we do trade down for picks, there is still no need to go after a WR. Focus on OTs, DTs and Safeties and wait for the later rounds. The best WRs in this draft may be found on Day 2.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
get ocho cinco and mcfadden and where set on offense for years and years
April 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Anyone worried about the LT position?
April 7th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Frozen,
If we do trade down, the smart move would be to pick up a good Tackle. Someone like Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Jeff Otah or Gosder Cherilus.
I think Williams is possibly the best OT behind Jake Long. He is a bit laid-back, but was a Co-Captain at Vanderbilt and hardly ever allowed a sack.
I used to like Sam Baker but his pro-day performance was a disaster. Very sluggish - especially after his Combine no-show.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Ain’t no way we go WR Round 1, unless we have Dallas’ two picks. Even then, why?
We have our z and x WRs in Walker and Curry. Slot is open between Higgins and Carter.
The guys who seem to have the best value at the WR position are, Donnie Avery and Dexter Jackson (as pointed out by Scottish Raider — How ’bout those Claymores!?) at the z and Jordy Nelson at the x. Nelson looks like a third rounder, which is the best case scenario for Avery/Jackson (and their agents).
Needs at 2-gap DT and O-line probably outweigh picking WR. Of the bunch mentioned in the blog, Manningham late 1st seems like a Raider pick.
Peace.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Trade next years pick; 1 and 3 for ocho cinco!!
We dont need Mc Fadden.
Pick all offense and defensive line this year.
Any team is only as good as there O-line and D-line.
April 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Im not actually too concerned about LT i think the offensive line aint great but we have bigger concerns and will get by. Harris will hopefully do a decent job this season.
Im still confident that we will get a second round pick with Washington or another trade so hope Davis/Kiffin will pick up Early Doucet the LSU WR
April 7th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
The Claymores were legendary-1996 Eurobowl i was there in Murrayfield baby!
April 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
If the Raiders trade down and get DeSean Jackson. They would be getting a WR and a return guy. That a 2 for 1 deal. Then consider trading down gets them another draft pick. You may taking care of three positions for the price of one.
If Dorsey and C. Long are gone by #4. I hope they trade down.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I think the most pressing need is D-Line.
I hope uncle Al can draft Dorsey
April 7th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Funny how according to Kiffin the Raiders have zero interest in drafting McFadden, yet he is in Alameda for a visit today…strange how that works, lol.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
My pick is Ellis or Gholston. I like Dorsey but the microfractures in his leg are the things that jump up later and end careers. I’m looking for the top DL that will be good for the next 6-10 years. A lineup of
Burgess-Kelley-Ellis-Richardson or
Burgess-Kelley-Warren/Sands-Gholston
look very upgraded compared to what we had last year. Let’s trade next years first and get BOTH Ellis & Gholston. Now that would be a hand to draw to.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Dakota,
And Kiffin did say that to get the best out of McFadden you would have to set him a little wider - just like Kiffin used to set Reggie Bush in his USC days.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Scottish Raider,
Go easy on “Jerry” ….
But as to your point to Dexter Jackson. On http://www.kffl.com Feb 23, the Raiders made contact with him and have interest.
My prediction is that we use a possible 3rd rounder from a trade for Washington on Dextor Jackson.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
all these predraft politics are great, one long game of poker haha. and mcfadden is a ace
April 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Just checked out the results for Donnie Avery’s pro day.
Ran a 4.32/4.35 pair of forties and a 3.9 short shuttle — but clocked an astounding 3.29 3-cone drill. Balance out playing for a second tier school in a minor conference versus his measurables, and the question becomes where he goes. If he’s available when we pick in the fourth, gotta have him if Athyba Rubin is off the board — and maybe is he isn’t.
Versus Dexter Jackson, Avery is more physical and has better hands. Oh — and in an interview w/ ESPN, when asked what contribution he could make immediately, he talked about special teams.
Peace.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I still say Early Doucet. Probs will never be any gd i jus love the name.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
If we are going to trade for a 3rd, I still wouldn’t take a WR - unless we want to take a chance on Oakland’s own, Davone Bess.
Bess is smart, reliable and apparantly a Raiders fanatic.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Ellis or C. long, cant go wrong. concerned about ghoulston playing against big ten comp. Pac 10
has the best offences in the country IMHO. that said
ellis has seen some of the best running backs and QB’s in his 4 year stint. Ellis or C. long, can’t go wrong.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Bess is in alemeda right now talking X’s and O’s with Al.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Davone Bess will be, at best, a late 7th rounder, more likely a UFA. No need to spend a draft choice on him at all. Compare his workout at Hawaii’s pro day to Avery’s at Houston’s (courtesy of the NFL-controlled internet):
WR Davone Bess (5-10 1/8, 189): Ran the 40 in 4.60, had a 32 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 7-inch long jump, 4.28 short shuttle, 7.15 cone drill, 17 reps in the bench press, ran position workout.
WR Donnie Avery (5-11 1/8, 182): Ran the 40 in 4.35 and 4.34, had a 37 ½-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 6-inch long jump, 3.91 short shuttle, 6.30 cone drill, ran position drills.
That said, I do kinda like Bess. Reminds me, I can’t say why based on his measurables, of Andre Rison. I wouldn’t mind seeing the kid invited to camp.
Peace.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
This sport has really changed. It is wayyyy more sophistcated than in the past. IMHO You damn near have to be a scientist with atheletic skills to play QB. Its not just about physical talent anymore. Need a combo of brains and brawn. QB has to go thru a bazillion things and then could still get killed.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
And we could probably pick up Bess’s old QB, Colt Brennan, at No169.
If the Packers are seriously thinking about taking Brian Brohm as either an insurance against Rodgers failing or as future trade bait, shouldn’t we also be looking to draft a QB in the 6th or 7th?
Ryan O’Hara, Dennis Dixon, Kyle Wright and Matt Flynn would be other options.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
“Dakota Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Dogg, you really hate the Lakers don’t you? Lol. that is good, always hate your opponents.
I never said the Lakers would “sweep all of their opponents in the playoffs”, but I did say that it would be like a bye if they faced the W’s in the first round, lol. Just poking fun.
Are the W’s even in the playoffs at this moment? Seriously, are they ahead of the buttnuggets at this time?
I don’t think that the dream matchup (Lakers/W’s) is going to happen. The Lakers are probably going to finish 3rd. I hope the Warriors can take out the Hornets for us though.”
Dakota -
Yes I hate the Lakers as much as I hate the Bronco’s. Very perceptive of you
There are a few Laker fans on this blog that said those “sweep” remarks and they are in for a surprise.
The Warriors are still tied for the 8th spot, with Sac on Tuesday and Denver on Thursday. They better get it done. I have no delusions about the current state of my team.
If the Warriors do face the Hornets, I like the W’s chances, even though they lost to them on Sunday in NOLA. The Warriors had a 13 point lead at one point in the 2nd half and then all of a sudden there was a lid on the basket. It wasn’t about the Hornets as it was more about the W’s just not executing.
What are the chances the W’s and Lakers meet in the 2nd round if the W’s and Lakers make it that far?
April 7th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I can’t remember his name, but there was a WR from Hawaii that looked good. Good YAC guy and could return punts. If he is comming out, I like him in the late rounds. I think the kid played High School ball in Oakland.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
take Bess if he is not drafted if he really is a raiders fanatic. passion is as important as talent.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Now dennis dixon would be nice. problem is he is such a playmaker I would have a hard time sitting him. I am not suggesting starting him over J but I would involve him in the offense.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Oh! Thanks. That was Bess I was thinking of…
April 7th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Bess has bounced up and down this draft board like a rubber ball. Just like the other Brennanites, Jason Rivers and Ryan Grice-Mullen. I have seen them as high as the 3rd and as low as the 7th.
It all depends how you view the June Jones offense. Yes, Bess is only 187lbs and ran a terrible 4.69 at the Combine. However, he also caught 96 receptions, 1,220 yards and 15 touchdowns in 2006.
I think all the Hawaiians are being marked down too harshly. Bess is a smart football player and if he was available in the 7th, that would be a great bargain.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
wide recievers come a dime a dozen rather pointless new blog if u ask me, I guess all positions get love in the chat room.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Hey Fabian. Haven’t we traded you for a 2nd rounder yet? Or are teams waiting on your court appearance?
April 7th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Jerry–to your topic question, NO. The quote you yourself used from one of the top personnel evaluators in Gil Brandt supports my answer, and it’s an answer most of the Nation agrees with. Most of us know that you can always get a quality WR without necessarily spending a 1st round pick.
Perhaps your next topic should discuss whether or not the O-line situation has been settled; you point out that “a big part of the rebuilding process has been to give JRuss all he needs to be a winning player;” since we have already signed both Walker and Carter, the WR needs have been met–what about the O-line to protect JRuss, particularly LT?
You’ve already discussed D-line needs; no need to rehash it (besides, I happen to agree with the majority that says we need to spend that #4 pick on C. Long, Ellis, Dorsey, or Gholston).
Just don’t bring up that RB from Arkansas…LOL
April 7th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
How about reporting on the fact that Darren McFadden is in Alameda right now! Some details would be nice.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
No lets not trade with the bengals, Chad J is easily shut out of a game, he isnt really tough and drops many balls he also talk to much and without Houzmadadaz Chad would have good numbers, we need a big middle LB that can make a running back think twice about coming in the middle that way when they the opponet tries to go outside Howard,Kirk or Burgess is right there to stop him, no offense to Kirk I like him but he isnt real good getting off blocks he is more like an ouside LB, Then we need either a big NT or Terdell to step up and make plays!!!
April 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
What is there to know Dogg?
His 40 time from the lobby to the locker room?
Better hope there was no turns! lol
April 7th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
sorry i ment that Chad would not have good numbers
April 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
NM79, I entirely agree about the need for a true MLB. Sadly the best two prospects (Laurinaitis and Manaluga) have stayed in school. If we do trade down, Dan Connor would be a nice pick-up at the bottom of the first. He is a great tackler and really strong against the run.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
are u crazy chad has the best numbers since 2003. And i hope they trade me soon so i can buy a new house with a new wife and a new roll royce somewhere although i’mmah lose money on my oakland hills mansion. But yeah i doubt you’ll get a 2nd rounder for me prolly a 3rd or 4th.
April 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Rey Maualuga is the Best LB in college, Rey is the hardest hitting LB in college. Rey will be top 5
pick next year.
Maualuga > laurenitis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaaArtCHAvk
April 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I can see trading down if we get a good offer, but a WR in round 1? I don’t think so - we’ve got too much cash tied up in Walker and Curry’s deal isn’t exactly a bargain - I think we’re set this year on WR - I can see a late round pick or a mid round pick if somebody drops to compete with JLH and some of the other guys we have on the roster right now though - a few of these top 5 WR’s have some good pro potential, but nobody has jumped off the board as a “must have” type of guy. If Walker returns to form, I think we’ve got a very good core of experienced Vets that complement each other well - Walker as a good all around #1, Curry as a #2 posssion type of Reciver, Carter with some deep speed, and Miller as a good possession TE. If Walker comes back to form, he would command double teams, which is what we really need. If Walker busts, we’re hosed because his salary will kill our cap and we’ll have to hope to get lucky with a WR next year in round 2 or 3 where the salary will be low. All I can say is that his knee better hold up - I personally don’t think somebody that has had two major knee issues in three years should have got that kind of contract, no matter what the doctors said. I know we were desperate for a #1 WR with some deep speed, but this is risky. Hopefully he can still run a sub 4.4 (4.38 at his combine six years ago or so) - Jerry Porter ran a 4.48/4.55 and has good knees and I always thought they both had very similar abilities and playing styles - porter also cost 1/2 as much as Javon Walker. We’ll see what happens, I was definetly tired of Porter’s inconsistency and lack of intensity on the field. If Walker is a more focused Jerry Porter, then the deal was worth it and we won’t need to worry about WR for a few years, if not, we’re going to be in bad situation.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
If Chad Johnson somehow becomes a Raider, then my questions about our O-line will have been answered…if Al is willing to shell out money and picks / trades for CJ, then they obviously must be confident in the O-line makeup, because the cupboard will definitely be bare…
April 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
if we get chad we have complety made over are offense and defense….Al Davis would be my hero hands down.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Could Gholston play middle linebacker ala Lawrence Taylor?
April 7th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for showing the UH WRs some respect, Scottish. Yes, they get panned for playing in the WAC, and they were dominated by Georgia in their bowl game, but hey, if the price is right, why not? As long as these kids can catch, they can give JLH and Curry some competition…
April 7th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
I definitely would have seen receiver in the first in a trade down scenario before the singings of Walker and Carter. As it is, I still don’t think its out of the question.
Kirk-LT (the real one whom you reference) was an OLB, not MLB.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I would like to see us get Dennis Dixon either late in the draft, or else as an UDFA. I think with his athletic ability he may turn out to be something special.
I believe that if Miami where to fail to make their pick in the allotted time, then St. Louis would go on the clock. After St. Lousis made their pick Miami would go back on the clock for five minutes. If they still didn’t pick then Atlanta would go on the clock, and then Miami would get another five minutes to pick.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
saintkaufman Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
“What is there to know Dogg?
His 40 time from the lobby to the locker room?
Better hope there was no turns! lol”
saintkaufman -
My point is that Jerry never even told us about McFadden visiting on Monday. While he’s busy re-gurgitating old news, other journalists are actually reporting inside info, much more so than Jerry. I’m thinking that maybe Jerry isn’t as “inside” as he would like to be or once was.
I guess my sarcasm went right over your head saint.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
The logic in trading for Chad Johnson makes no sense.
Here is why:
The Bengals will want at least a round two pick, as of today we have nonePossibly a low end pick also.
The Bengals will take a cap hit of 7 million for this year from the accelerated bonus paid to him two years ago. My source Cinn Bengals.com/ johnson, MMQB Peter King.
The Bengals will be crippled by the cap charge, and would need to cut or renegotiate contracts.
The Raiders have invested in four wide receivers for this year in Salary $8 million dollars with a bonus to Walker around $11 million, which is not carried into the salary cap for this year only future years if he does not work out.(bonus money spread out life of the contract)
The Raiders have currently $1 million dollars in cap space, not a big deal to restructure or cut a few players for extra room, but Chad is not going to play for his current salary, that is what his beef is all about, show him the money.
With all the factors how can you say we need Chad Johnson, I haven’t even spoke about the samr position both Walker and Chad play, they both line up as the X receiver in the base offense.
Please don’t tell me it’s no big deal, some WR’s don’t like the Z receiver, the strong side, double teams and the tigh end usually create less balls thrown to that side and our flanked out to the short side of the field.
Dream on guys, will not happen.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
D. Jackson is the real deal. Do not be fooled by his size. He has the potential to be the offensive rookie of the year. Oakland needs an impact offensive threat very badly. If they are going to get back to respectability, they must be able to score from anywhere on the field at anytime (Cliff Branch, Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Tim Brown).
April 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
AI -
You must have chronic pain, the way you pop those norco’s. Take it easy bro.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
chad johnson - probably not but you can say what you want about the guy but he is a good football player he may like to celebrate and talk alot of trash but he shows up and dosent take a down off i wish we would of persued this avenue more before overpaying j.walker but im still xcited about this year!!!
April 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I know all about Norcos, just Vicodin but stronger. I shattered my wrist a few years back and had external fixators, basically 2 pounds of metal drilled into my arm to stablize the bone and keep it in place for 2 months bbefore surgery to remove it.
I popped all kinds of Norcos in that time and they weren’t all that easy to come off of after 4 months. I have since got a prescription from MEDICANN and use my own medicinal remedies as opposed to other “conventional” meds.
I know you know about combining Norco’s with alcohol (LB Ales) but did you know that if you mix Norco’s with Valium for an extended period of time it causes the replication of the psychotic state including hallucinations and the like? It’s not the fun kind of hallucinations either. More like a really bad trip on PCP.
I never mixed N & V but I heard all about it from someone in my family that had an “episode”. Just be careful bro, that sh*t is no joke.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
post#64 for Alameda Insider, sorry for any confusion
April 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
AI -
That stuff also kills your liver after extended use. Don’t get me wrong, I still have Norco’s in my medecine cabinet for really bad days. But I try not to take them unless I absolutely have to.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Yes.. as am i excited about this year and this draft….the only way we mess this draft up is by going O-line…thats how I see it.. DE, DT, or Mcfadden is just the icing on this offseason, all has made positive moves, bringing people in even thou all the media said we where a hot mess, the players know alls a players owner, and all the media hate on us cuz were the beauty after the chaos. Im excited to go to games this year…. am i mistaken or do we open on monday night at home?
April 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
# Alameda Insider Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Dogg,..its not the pain,..not physical anyway,..just the rotten world we live in drives me to pop Norcos and chase them with beer…I feel alot better afterwards…got hooked years ago,…no turning back now,…my cross to bare.
……
I’ll take note of that the next time you criticize someone for being “negative”. I guess they should stop expressing themselves and instead kill themselves with drugs, the way you are>
April 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
WHy havent er taken a look at Jeremiah Trotter or Takeo Spikes yet yeah they are a little old but they are some damn good Linebackers
April 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Now he’s blaming his drug use on Mexicans. Look at him go…
April 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Repo Man
Nothing gets by you.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
if we do draft an OLineman it should be Clady because he played in a Zone scheme and he could protect JR’s blindside for many years
April 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
were solid at LB, Morrison and Howard are young studs, plus i dont know are cap situation but we still needa cough up big money for the number 4 pick.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
id love us to go for either Trotter or Spikes. They both have a winners mentality something that this team needs. i dnt think trotters contract would be too big anyway because of last season
April 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Im hoping for mcfadden for the excitment factor that comes along with everytime he touches the ball, defense would be great to, but it just looks to much like what the niners did last year and look how they turned out.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
yes we are solid at 2 lb positions but if we had a better outside lb then we would really be good
April 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
AI -
I say to each his own bro. I’ve lived a pretty full life and I’m not about to judge people for their decisions.
Just be safe man. Just looking out for a fellow Raider. As far as tailgating goes all bets are off baby!
April 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
yeah i usually get on the purple bud b4 games
April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I never trusted a repo man that didn’t do speed
April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Al will not take a WR in the first round. Timmy Brown was a rare talent when he was drafted and he won the Heisman.
There are no Timmy Browns in this years draft. Nobody that even looks like a lock to go in the first round.
James Hardy might be the best talent with upside, but people are scared of his “Basketball” mentality suggesting that he is too soft.
Desean Jackson weighs 170lbs… what more needs to be said: value pick in rds two or three.
Malcom Kelly has yet to work out and his stock has plummeted bad over the past two months out of the first round.
Limas Sweed maybe the only 1st round kid, but he has been slowed by injuries recently in work outs.
Devin Thomas is junior with only one year of productivity. Robert Meachem was a junior with one year of productivity and he was in active all last year. Sidney Rice was a redshirt sophmore, but he had two years of productivity at South Carolina. He had a good rookie year, but nothing to suggest he should have went hire than where the Vikes took him last year. I think Thomas goes no earlier than the Cowboys at 28 because they will not need him to come in and be productive next year with TO, Crayton, and Witten as a nice set of receivers for Romo to play with.
Mario Manningham had a bad combine, but he did rebound well at the michigan Pro day. He is a early 2nd, late 1st pick.
Andre Caldwell is Reche’s little brother which is a scary thought for anyone thinmking 1st round.
I think the steal of the draft is Dexter Jackson in the 3rd round/ late 2nd out of App St. The kid is a flyer and he might be the best WR in the class.
I am no expert but I see the WR corps as being rated like this:
1-James Hardy- First
2-Desean Jackson- late first
3-Dexter Jackson - late 2nd/ early third
4-Limas Sweed- 1st
5-Andre Caldwell- 2nd
6- Mannigham- 2nd
7- Devin Thomas- late first/ 2nd
8- Jordy Nelson- late 2nd/ 3rd
9- Early Doucett- late 2nd/ 3rd
10- Lavelle Hawkins- 3rd
April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I’m sure Al looked at aquiring CJ as soon as he expressed his desire to be traded - As someone already pointed out, the Bengals just can’t take that cap hit, and they still feel they are super bowl contenders with CJ, TJ, Rudi, and Carson - it’s going to have to get real ugly in Cinci before they dump Chad. We put all our marbles on Javon being our #1, making him one of the highest paid WR’s in the game, we can’t afford to add another one - besides, both are head cases, we can’t afford to have two of them at the same position. I’d rather have CJ, but I’d rather not have him with Javon already on the roster at this point. Besides, CJ is 30 - it may be 3 more years before we’re ready to contend for the superbowl again - we need to get younger at that position from here on out, but we can address the o line and d line for the next couple of years in the draft before we have to worry about it. If we pick up a couple more picks in the draft and somebody falls to us after we’ve addressed NT, DE, OL, and SLB, then I don’t have a problem going after a reciever.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
hey hey Dell
sitting here listening to some old Muddy Waters, trying to actually get some work done.
Still trying to think of a realistic way for the Raiders to draft Keith Rivers…
April 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
chad would be nice but unrealistic ite yall heading out catch yall another day.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Repo man,..(and yes I know who you are),..Im not blaming the Mexicans for my drug use,.Im thanking them.
April 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Morrison is more like a strongside LB we still need a true MLB not that Morrison isnt any good at MLB but he is built like a OLB
April 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Lane Kiffin needs to continue running this team bunker style. He knows he’s gone, and has nothing to lose. I love the way he’s calling Davis “Al”, as opposed to the obligatory “Mr. Davis” the peons in the organization call him. Anyhow, if he continues to just run the team with or without blessings from the powers that be in the organization, we’ll continue to improve. History has proven that when coaches outright shun Al and just coach the team their own way right under his nose, we improve. On the other hand, history has proven that when coaches cower to Davis and his ideas, we lose. Let’s see what the kid can pull off in his lame duck year. Best case scenario: The team wins and it forces Al’s hand, thus resulting in Kiffin staying. Worst case scenario: He exposes Al for how senile he really is, forcing him to fire a coach that improves the team over 100% with each season.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Fabian ur scaring me telling us that we are looking a bit 07 49er like. it is a bit similar. Raiders do have far more class though in the roster + we dnt have a weak ass QB like Smith
April 7th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I never trusted a repo man that didn’t do speed
……
LOL. Now you know where I got the nickname. Just watched it on Comcast on demand, in the free movies section, a couple of days ago. What a classic. Sy Richardson’s character was my favorite.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
jeremiah trotter is a very good MLB why not look into him i wonder why we havent maybe too espensive (meant to do that)why not look into Dan COnnor or Ali Highsmith
April 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
the quote should have been:
“I’ve never met a repo man that didn’t do speed.”
had to straighten that out
April 7th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
RaiderDogg
Listening to BB King right now, the CD is some of his better songs I burned to one CD.
Keith River is a good football player, I just think if we go linebacker Gholston is the guy.
Gholston can play with his hand down or play the Sam Linebacker position, his strength can be a factor on run plays as he will have to shed the blocks of the tight end and I believe can drop into the passing lanes.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
“middle easterners”..pardon me.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Trotter wont be too expensive he wasnt great last season so he shouldnt demand too much. He is real mean on the field and a winner. id love to see him added to the roster put a bit of intensity into our nice guy defense
April 7th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Gholston, Long or Ellis. please get one of them Kiff. and another physical LBer in the 4th and we are on our way. Anything else is gravy.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I have been saying get spikes, but his injury may be a little more. the whiners passed on him.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Forgive me, then. You’re blaming Chicanos, which essentially means “Mexican Americans”. Corrected. Now, will you stop blaming them (or thanking them, in your words), for your destructive behavior?
April 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Who do u guys ACTUALLY think the raiders wil draft?
Im not sure who i want but think we will go for Gholston
April 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
well if dallas would trade those two frist round picks for DMAC maybe we could get connor and pat simms or red bryant
April 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
the raiders should at least look at spike tho u never know what they can find or not find in terms of injury
April 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Even if his injury is more severe than thought use that to get him on the cheap. put him in on the big plays or 4th quarter his experience and intensity is priceless. other players would learn from him
April 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Lane Kiffin needs to draft Dorsey if he’s available. Just submit him, rather DAvis wants him or not. Who gets the official call? If anyone from the Raiders organization submits the pick, it’s official. So Kiffin should just do that. What’s Al going to do, sue him for making the team better?
April 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Repo,..you dont read so well,..You used the term Blame..I never did…try and pay attention,..even High on pills and beer Im sharper then you.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Dell -
I’m cool with Gholston for sure, I just am really high on Rivers. I just have this feeling that he is going to be a beast for many years to come. It’s a nice dilemma to have, I guess I could settle for Gholston
Down the road when Rivers is tearing up the league think of me and turn up some more BB King.
The BB King I’ve been liking lately is Riding With The King, his album with Eric Clapton. Good stuff.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
i agree with repo man but we already have a 3technique in Kelly
April 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
First you tell me who’s available at #4 when they pick then I’ll tell you who they’ll draft.
The only guy I know they want is C Long.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Dorsey will be availabe the falcons will take Ryan they cant afford not to. i actually think ryan will be better than people say he seems pretty calm almost brady like
April 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
You’re right, I did use the term, “blame”, which is what I believe you’re doing. I read your post correctly. You’re high right now, and the fact that you’re crediting Chicanos for your self destruction in any way is a precursor to your typical racism that you’ve already displayed here. You’re a noted racist against blacks and middle easterners. So how are we not to believe that your “thanking” of Mexican Americans for your current addiction doesn’t instantly transfer to blaming them, the minute you come down and wake up in your trash dumpster?
April 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
C long will be gone J long will be gone and i think Ryan will be gone.
Leaving Gholston, McFadden, Dorsey and Ellis
April 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Repo,…its clear that you are a racist,..leave me out of your hang ups.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Could Gholston play middle linebacker?
April 7th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I think he could. He would be very similar to Derrel Brooks if he moved to linebacker maybe not middle
April 7th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I was watching ESPN and there was a comment that after QB, WR is the hardest position for a rookie to come in and be successful at.
I don’t think Cincy would trade Chad to us because we have little to offer in terms of replacement to them. They would need to plug that hole this year, otherwise, it’s a big waste of Carson Palmer.
I like the idea of McFadden, but we need someone who can help with run defense immediately. Adding another pass rusher will have minimal impact unless our offense forces teams to play catch-up.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
RaiderDogg
As I churn out the 1040’s I was given a CD by my friend, he thought I would like some Kansas City Blues singer named Jimmy Rushing.
this was a few years back, has a uniques style and since then I have purchased over and burned the following in that era also, Walter Brown, Little Hatch.
I know your a youn guy, you may have heard of them, just a different sound of music than what were use to today.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
well gholston is strong(455 bench) and big but it might be a tough ajustment
April 7th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Repo,..if the CIA and whatever Gov peeps got the drugs here let me thank them,..better then me having to go there to get them,..I knew there was something about the CIA I liked.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
off subject but, last year coach Kiff built the team around the defense - The defense took a nose dive that no one seen coming - This year is going to be different - Kif can’t take any chances on building the team around the defense, so I see Kiff being more agressive this coming year and taking more chances - He held back a lot in the begin of the year, towards the end he started to open up the throttle more, which sure helped out a lot - I see Kif being more agressive with the additions of JJWalker and Drew Carter - Curry will be a great slot reciever and i’m expecting big things from Zach Miller’s 2nd year - Teams will have to watch for that play action and will be tenative to loading 8 men in the box every play as they did last year - With a better offense teams will have to take more chances in the air against the best 2ndary in the league - also with a better offense are defense will be on the field less and will have more energy throughout the game - granted we stay healthy my crystal ball tells me we will be either 1 or 2 in the league in rushing as a team
April 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
DoeDoe Bird,…we will win the West this season…bank that.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
last year we didnt do a good job of drafting defence Jay Richerson DE, Quenton MosesDE,Eric FramptonFS, John Bowie CB thats one of the reason our Def was tired plus “defence wins superbowls”
April 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
if we want to win the west we need to do what chicago new england and green bay did to them STOP LT
April 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Dell,..are you serious?…who the Hell listens to that crap?…the blues?…hey man Navin Johnson said it best in the Jerk,…”theres something about those songs,…they depress me”….I only listen to Metal,..Megadeth,…Maiden….Priest…Kings X,… UFO…etc.,…
April 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I MEAN SAN DIEGO
April 7th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Alamed
We all have variety of tastes in the music we listen to, your music is not bad, just they are not my type.
I will say a group you didn’t mention, has a unique sound just saw them recently is Linkin Park.
My son had a dude bail and it was a last minute deal, pretty intense group and sound.
I guess there is hope for me, right.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Why would you want Gholston to play MLB??? his greatness is at DE. Where he might be an impact player to bookend with Burgess, giving us one of the better tandems in the game.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
It sure would be nice if C. Long fell to us at 4, but unfortunately Parcells is running things in Miami now. Wouldn’t surprise me, though, if the Fins traded out of that spot. What would surprise me is if we draft an offensive tackle early, although stranger things have happened. With all the D-Line signings lately we could be looking elsewhere with our #1, although unless it’s trading down or McFadden I think that would be a little wrong-headed.
I spoke about Donnie Avery a couple of months ago, and still think we should grab him if we can. He returned kicks and punts at Houston as well, if I remember correctly. It would be fun to see the footraces between he, DeAngelo, Johnnie Lee and Routt during training camp…
April 7th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Linkin Park?…any “band” that has a dude scratchin records, as an instrument, sucks…..we only play metal at our tailgates,..to drown out the Rap that surrounds us.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
gholston would be nice but teams will run up the middle like they did last year because our outside is solid
April 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
per your #112 post I would prefer Gholston if not him Ellis and Dorsey or even in my mind, a little different but both soo talented it comes down to your scheme.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
BHP, I agree with you completely. Gholston is our man, for two reasons; he’s going to be a great player, and after Burgess leaves next year we won’t have a genuine passrusher at DE. Great players at that position are hard to come by, and they change games.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Alameda
You are just waiting for an argument, you know somebody is going to defend Rap.
I’ll just watch and learn as the argument moves forward.
You are a character, that’s for sure.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
With a 1 word answer I want to hear the Mock draft of the Raider nation just into regards to our #4 pick - So with the 4th pick in the draft the Oakland Raiders select???
April 7th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Why does everyone think Burgess will leave I’m not sure I get it. for what money??? Burgess is just too talented and when you get two bookend DE’sof that calibre why let one get away unless someone better is waiting and I don’t see anyone better.
So maybe you can see the future, but I think we need both.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Dell,..We already have or playlist for the niner preseason game in august…Megadeth,…Black Label Society…Maiden…..then old Rush and Priest…and old school UFO.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Theyll probably draft a kicker ha ha!
April 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Who the Hell said Burgess is leaving?…hes not…him and Gholston will put at least 4 qb`s on the injured reserve this season.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Burgess aint going anywhere.he was injured last year.and when hes healthy hes a pro bowler.they wont let him go.
April 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
They need d line help bad.if you think otherwise then ur a fool
April 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
kirk ….. post 114 !
now that is amillion dollar question that i pondered on myself. the man is a tackling machie who can shed blocks…hmmm
be interesting !
April 7th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
AI, I just read that a lot in here. I don’t get it He’s the passrusher we’ve had in years. Very similar to Greg Townsend. Those guy’s are extremely hard to find. whatever you have to do you keep them.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
108, Hes not leaving ,…F what the mocks say and what Mel Jr says,..we should draft Gholston.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Greg townsend dint have the speed of burgesss by any means.Its a whole different era bhp
April 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
A.I. What lot do you tail gate in We’ve got to party.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Gholston cannot stuff the middle AI.If u cant stop the run,then ur not gonna b in those passing situations where u can get to the QB!Its pretty simple
April 7th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Lamb,..A lot,…66th ave side,..hey I saw Lamb of God last year with Megadeth at Gigantour,…pretty hard core.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Defense has to be the pick preferably a dt I’m tired of getting run on
April 7th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
AI, seems the bay is bit too libbie, for you. My feeling is most bay area residents wouldn’t miss you, either. There has to be a shed in Montana with your name on it. I’d be willing to supply you the norcos. Deal?
(joking, NSA or DEA agent monitoring this site…)
April 7th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Yeah outta the cookie monster vocal bands i think they’re the best. Ill be there in my tatum jersey on monday nite football with a black tooth grin. I’ll bring the Crown
April 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Just in case youll didn’t know already
Raiders re-signed exclusive rights free agent S Hiram Eugene.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
C0le ford was a better kicker than ghb boy
April 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Eugene was garbage!Thats not any news
April 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Are you a illusionist Black Ghost?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
DoeDoe Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
off subject but, last year coach Kiff built the team around the defense - The defense took a nose dive that no one seen coming -
…..
Our defense was exactly the same last year as it was in ‘06. The difference you’re looking for is the fact that teams didn’t need to throw the ball on us in 06 because they knew we wouldn’t score points. Kiffin changed that. Why do you gus guys constantly downplay the efforts of the smartest and most determined guy in this plummeting organization; Lane Kiffin? Lane is our only prayer, and you guys talk about him as if he’s a liability. Show some respect for this kid. He’s all we have, in regards to personnel building and game planning that can get us back above the 8 win mark again.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
The effing draft cant get here quick enough. I need a football fix. the raider report just doesn’t do it for me
April 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Repo,..I dont live in the bay area,..never would…nothing but an open sewer.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
no man is an island
April 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I know who the Raiders are drafting in 2010. WR Jesse Hester Jr. from Southern Florida
April 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
check out this play from Russel’s future favorite target http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyhAIzBITU
April 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Albert -
And another of the Long brother…
April 7th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Might as well draft all ex raider children. Wheres Bo’s kid play?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
24/7,..nice fixing of your message board nick,..took you that long to see you didnt have it right from the beginning?
April 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Bo Jackson highlight, the greatest play I have ever seen. http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAAgfY_NHzw
April 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
sorry AI been drinking you know
April 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Ok dammit…Im outta here,..that last Norco did me in,..barely hangin on,..however still alive enough to make it to the fridge for another icee cold Bohemia style beer….sayanara.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Now this is an A+ post, Jerry. Well thought out, great analysis, a question certainly worth contemplating even if the answer is no. This definitely makes up for the lame hit job yesterday.
If we could just get away from the mentality that everything bad that happens on defense is all R.Ryan’s fault while everything bad that happens on offense is the player’s fault, we’d be just fine.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
BRING ME CHRIS LONG OR OCHO CINCO!
April 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I hope the Raiders draft MacF that way ticket prices stay low when we have another losing season with one of the worst front seven defenses in the league.
That’s true sarcasm.
As for DMAC’s visit - who cares? As Jerry pointed out the Raiders met with Eli Manning too…They have a whooping five picks but will meet with probably thirty players. You do the math. They met with Calvin Johnson last year. Why would they draft a wR this year? They’ve got Manning-to-CJ all day long.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Goodnight, AI. Hope that intervention comes soon. Surely someone out there loves you enough to care.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Jerry’s post yesterday was great. I’m glad someone in the press is keeping tabs on Al Davis and how he doesn’t allow Kiffin to bring this team back to greatness. He needs to be allowed to do his job, so this team can win again. I’m glad Jerry writes about that, and this fan, along with the silent majority of Raider fans, no doubt, thank him dearly.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Coach on Wheels, you nailed it, as usual. Keep ‘em coming. Glad to see more of the silent majority in the Raider nation are starting to speak up.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Just watch tapes of our games from the gruden years, or from the early ’80s. That’s what I do in the off season. Heck, for the last 5 years, that’s what I’ve done during the season for a football fix, too.
April 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Repo how about that game in denver when lincoln kenedy went into the stands that was a classic
April 7th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
ineed it was, twenty four sev.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Repo Man
I wasnt downplayin coach Kiff - I like Kiff a lot and would have been pissed off if Al would have fired him -He had a great draft and had all the players playin hard for him throughout the entire season, they never quit on him - Just wanted to clear that up
Just Coach Kiff Baby!
April 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I would love to see the Raiders trade down. McFadden isn’t needed, especially in the cut blocking scheme. Denver has made a living putting 7th round choices in their backfield and watching them run for 1500 yards. This team needs talent, and the more the better. Kiffin knows this even if AD doesn’t. The best run stuffing DT available and a wide receiver with two first round choices makes sense to me.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Albert, post 159
That was an incredible run but I thought the refs missed a clip at about the 30 yard line.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Arkansas has three rbs in this draft D mac ,Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis their running game must be really potent or great run blocking. I’m still not for drafting Mac Daddy Fadden. Stopping the run is still priority one
April 7th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
If we draft McFadden I hope he turns out to be everything his supporters say he is. If we don’t draft him I hope he flops.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Repo Man Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Jerry’s post yesterday was great. I’m glad someone in the press is keeping tabs on Al Davis and how he doesn’t allow Kiffin to bring this team back to greatness.
“Doesn’t allow Kiffin to bring this team back to greatness.” “Doesn’t allow Kiffin to bring this team back to greatness….” Oooooookayyyy. How is that? By trying to get Jeff Garcia who Kiff said he wanted? By getting Josh MCCown who was available when Garcia wasn’t?? By allowing Kiff to trade his prized Possession Randy Moss for basically nothing??? By shoring up the defensive line, by getting the leader of a Super Bowl team in a desperately needed position??? This is NOT allowing Kiffin to return the team to greatness??? How’s about getting not only a #1 receiver, but a very good #2 WR as well???? How’s about listening to Kiff and Cable and shifting Simms out for Harris who Cable thinks he can reclaim???? What about making the biggest off season acquisition in the league by trading for a pro bowl corner???? Maybe bringing in a Hall of Fame reciever coach after Kiff’s choice Coe couldn’t develop JLH??? I could go on for hours but, this is just moronic! Why do you people even read his drivel???
April 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Oakglenn, spoke it like a true employee of the Raiders. Riddle me this, whey didn’t Al let Kiffin fire Rob Ryan?
Why did Kiffin allude to not wanting D. Hall, or spending the money we did on Kelly?
Davis is building this team, Oakglenn. And Davis doesnt’ know how to build a team. Kiffin does. And Al’s not letting him do it. That’s why Kiffin already wants out, and therefore why he’s disrespecting Al in public, via calling him “Al” as opposed to the comany line of “Mr. Davis”.
You’re not living in reality, Oakglenn. You’re living in a world of hype, and cherry picking the very few realistic things that support your hype.
Davis is driving Kiffin out of here, and it’s too bad, because Kiffin is our only prayer to being good again.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Oakglenn, I have to learn to read your entire posts, because I see toward the end you actuall come around to admitting that Al is taking control from Kiffin, by downplaying Kiffin’s choice as recievers coach and supporting Al bringing in Lofton.
Why do I even bother arguing with you? It’s much better to just leave you with your own rope.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Home from work. No way do we trade down. Not happening. We are assured a likely impact player from the top eschelon fo the draft: Gholston, Dorsey, C. Long, or J. Long. We’re not giving that away. It’s just not the Raider way.
Okay, so if we do? I agree with the combined comments of Scottish R and NM79 that we start by taking Ryan Clady (OT) (a better system match than Otah). And then we take a tough linebacker (Rivers if lucky, otherwise Dan Connor) or DeSean Jackson. Despite the success of the Saints’ Marques Colston a couple years ago, WRs typically take several years to deliver. Jackson’s return game, however, gives him the chance to make an impact as a rookie. And his natural talent might worry defenses, drawing more than his share of coverage down field while letting Miller roam underneath.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Dick Williams won under Charlie Finley, albeit out of spite but this unholy union could play out to at least a playoff run if Kiffin gets the respect of the team and play for the kid.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I’m not worryied about the coaching. Keeping Kiffen is key (continuity, player confidence [the way they kept fighting], the training of J Russ).
You don’t have to love your boss to be great at what you do. Kiffen loves football and he has proven to be a real competitor. He will not sit on his hands whimpering about an argument with Davis at the end of the season. He wants to do his job well and he wants to win.
With our cornerbacks, we can play man under Ryan and win. A killer talent on the D-line would really amo up our D, and Kiffen obviously appreciates that.
I think we will be good to go.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I was surprised to see both Mel and Todd McShay state that they would select Matt Ryan over Russell if they were both in this year’s draft. McShay practically gave Russell a reach around after the LSU pro day last year. He said it was the best pro day he had ever seen…but somehow Matt Ryan’s less than impressive pro day has vaulted him over Russell? What a joke.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
holy shite, did you see that?
April 7th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Can you say carry or travel???…but since I want Kansas to win…good no-call, lol.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
WoW, I didn’t hear about that.. Todd McShay said that J-Maks performance at the combine was the greatest he has ever seen in the 12 years he’s been evaluating players - I bet ESPN added a extra bonus for Mel and Todd to say that they would take Matt over J-Mak
April 7th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
The only way man to man works is with pressure from the front four and were not consistent with that.So it is an absolute must that we shore up our defensive line!We could have two of the best D ends and it wouldnt matter much if we cant stop the run,cuz teams wont pass on us.You have to stop the run and get teams in passing downs,then come hard on the edges and up the gut and force Qbs to challenge hall and nmandi.That would be the perfect situation
April 7th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Prepare yourselves for the “Greatest Championship Game Ever” debate on all the sports shows tomorrow.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
at his pro day I meant - typical BSPN type sh!t
April 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Kansas got this one
April 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Some of us deal in facts, some of us here deal in rumour and innuendo. Say Mo whatcolour were Kiffs sox today??? Silver means things are looking up….Black means,
Dakota that’s crazy. Hence why those guys aren’t working in any personnel depts. So what part is Ryan better??? Physically?? No. Level of competition??? No. As I’ve said here over and over I saw Elways first game as a pro and Jam is SO much more developed as Pro QB than Elway was coming out. Unbelievable.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Classic game BTW
April 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
They said that Matt Ryan did more with less than Russell. None of Matt Ryan’s RB, WRs etc. are going to be NFL players, so his leadership and intangibles are better than Russell, or some BS like that.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
With Kelly at 3-tech, I’d like Dorsey for the burst inside. Otherwise, it’s Sand on 1st and 2nd with Edwards on passing 3rd downs, perhaps in a 3-4 with one of Burgess, Edwards, or Gholston/C. Long up.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
3-4, lol…not going to happen.
April 7th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Not on 1st or 2nd. On 3rd and Long, make that a 3-3 nickle with one of the pass rushers up (with Morrison and Howard).
April 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Warning: Non-football related, just sad and crazy stuff.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347275,00.html
April 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Intangibles make Ryan a better player than Jam??? Even tho Jam was 25-4 as a starter in the SEC. That’s another way of saying they have NO IDEA why Ryan would be a better prospect.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Sheesh, even I can’t make any Texan jokes about that. That’s just rough!
April 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I think Al Davis had that surgery in 1984.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I really hate the argument, “Matt Ryan did more with less.”
Like it’s Russell’s fault he had talent all around him. He still won 26 out 30 games he started in a tough SEC, not a WEAK Big East.
Russell is by far the better QB than Ryan, hands down. I can’t believe Kiper & McShay would actually say something so ridiculous.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
199- BLAM !!!!!!!!!!!
April 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
OOPS- Ryan plays in the ACC now so there’s a step up in the competition, but it’s still not as good as the SEC.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
The funniest part of all of it is Jam has done NOTHING to dispel the feeling that he is going to be very, very, good for a long time. You could almost give it up to those knuckleheads if Jam came in and REALLY struggled, but that didn’t happen. As a matter of fact he looked pretty damn good.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
The ACC is weak comopared to the Pac-10, SEC, Big Ten and Big East.
Did any of those draft analyst see Ryan play against Michigan state in the bowl game. Show me a player that has talent on that defense. Ryan completed less than 50% of his passes in that game. the man stunk it up against Va Tech all night save two nice drives at the end of the game. On top of that he does not have a strong arm. You need a strong arm to be a franchise QB in the NFL. I like Henne, Brohm and Woodson way better than I like Ryan in this years draft. Ryan probably will not go in the top ten. KC has Croyle: Ryan does not make the case to scrap the croyle experiment. QB’s like Russell, Rothlisberger, Eli, and Vince Young will make you forget about a player like Croyle, but Ryan is not in that class.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
DSM, you’re right but it’s not like he was even a four year starter. Basically he started two years. I like Matt Ryan, I think he’s going to be a good player, but he is NOT Jam. Sorry.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Ryan threw 19 int’s his senior year any way you look at it. When Brady Quinn cried about his talent and dropped balls last year, i knew he was through, and Ryan is through as well.
Ryan is at best a Matt Hassellback: what round was he drafted?
I think Alex smith is the same grade a Ryan. Maybe there is a team stupid enough to take him in the top ten.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Then again, maybe the ability to speak English may be a factor in McShay’s comparisons: