Kiffin talking trade
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, April 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Lane Kiffin was floating the possibility Thursday of a trading the No. 4 overall pick, which could mean any number of things.
Perhaps the Raiders are seeking more and better offers to what they already have for the right to select what could be Arkansas running back Darren McFadden.
Maybe it was to disguise the fact that the Raiders will actually take McFadden themselves.
Or possibly Kiffin was just killing time, promoting the intrigue that goes with the last few days before a draft.
In a welcomed departure from recent years, the Raiders coach met with the media provide an update on club business and discuss the draft. The Raiders even trotted out two of their offseason acquisitions, cornerback DeAngelo Hall and left tackle Kwame Harris, for Q&A sessions.
(I’ll post something on those interviews later)
Kiffin started talking trade as part of opening statement.
“With the upcoming draft, obviously with the fourth pick overall, a number of great players will be sitting there for us to take,” Kiffin said. “More than ever, not in Raider fashion, we may trade back. It hasn’t happened before but it is something we’re seriously looking at. And that stems from the lack of picks and not having a fifth, a third or a second, it’s something we’re really looking at and having conversations about because of the lack of picks.”
Kiffin said there have been “a number of calls, and a few serious conversations” about trading the pick.
The trade partner would most likely be a team that covets McFadden, a player also happens to be the player most mock drafts have as the Raiders choice.
“There are going to be guys there that people are valuing, McFadden especially because he’s so unique and so dynamic, there are a number of teams that want him, and some teams right behind us, maybe not one pick behind us, but two picks behind us, that really want him,” Kiffin said. “When you’re going back there’s got to be something they really want to come up. That’s usually a quarterback or just a phenomenal touchdown maker.”
The team right behind the Raiders is the Chiefs, who already have Larry Johnson in the backfield and could be looking at quarterback Matt Ryan of Boston College, an offensive lineman such as Brendan Albert or a defensive tackle such as Sedrick Ellis. Two spots back are New York Jets, who would love to have McFadden drop to the No. 6 spot, but have the Raiders as a gatekeeper in their way.
After picking at No. 6, New York has a choice early in the second round (No. 36 overall), two picks in the fourth (Nos. 102 and 113) and picks in the sixth (171) and seventh (211).
The Dallas Cowboys, who have two first round picks (Nos. 22 and 28) have also been mentioned as a trade partner. Dallas also has a pick in every round from 2 through 7 (Nos. 61, 92, 126, 163, 167 and 235).
The Raiders have never had fewer than six picks in an NFL draft. When asked if he would be surprised if Oakland had just five draftees in its 2008 draft class, Kiffin said, “Yeah, I think I would. I think I would be surprised because that’s a long time to sit in the room without doing anything.”
Other topics addressed by Kiffin Thursday included:
–Assessing offensive line prospects for a zone blocking system.
“I think if you saw our board on offensive linemen you’d be shocked because it wouldn’t go anywhere near any of the mock drafts or any of the people that you see where you go,” Kiffin said. “We’d have people at the top of our offensive line board that you’d think are fourth or fifth round picks. It’s a different way to eveluate people.”
Albert, the Virginia Tech lineman who has been a climber on draft boards of late as a projected tackle, would be a guard in a zone blocking system, Kiffin said.
– A commitment to Tommy Kelly as the three-technique.
“We re-signed Tommy to play the three technique, so that’s where Tommy is going to be playing,” Kiffin said. “He’s moved around a lot here in the past. He’s played nose, he’s played three, he’s played open side end, closed side end.
That’s not going to happen any more. He’s here to be our three technique and dominate in there. I just imagine that’s going to help him so much, because he gets to focus on one thing instead of playing four different spots.”
Kiffin said LSU tackle Glenn Dorsey, who most figure will be gone by the time the Raiders pick to either St. Louis or Atlanta, is probably better suited to a three-technique but is capable of playing the nose.
– The appeal of Virginia end Chris Long, son of Howie Long.
“I think you see a phenomenal effort player, first of all – nonstop, relentless, a guy who’s played a number of spots,” Kiffin said. “He’s actually played in a 3-technique, he’s played in a 3-4 where he’s head-up and he’s bumped outside, and he’s stood up as a backer inside. So there’s no scenario you need to look at that you don’t have on film, of what he can do, and what he brings to the table. He’s so strong at the point of attack, and would be a guy that I think would help us tremendously in the run game.”
– The versatility of Ohio State rush end Vernon Gholston.
“He definitely can play in a 4-3 system. He’s perfect for a 3-4 system outside, probably, but he can definitely play in a 4-3,” Kiffin said.
– The 2007 slump of nose tackle Terdell Sands.
“Last offseason he went through a lot of tough things. Lost a number of very close people in his family, and as you look back, that affected him,” Kiffin said. “I know he’d be the first to tell you, he didn’t go through the offseason the way he should have, and he let that affect his football instead of dealing with it otherwise, and did not have a productive offseason, and ended up having to play catch up the whole time.
“Training camp isn’t the time here to catch up and to get in shape. Training camp, come in shape, and we’ll improve you and get you better. Instead, he came in to get in shape in training camp and never caught up.”
– The absence of defensive end Derrick Burgess from the offseason program.
Derrick has not been in here (in the offseason) since he’s been here,” Kiffin said.“You like everybody here. You want 100 percent, but there are some guys that you feel more comfortable not being here because you know how they work, you know what they do.
“One of the best stories about Derrick is he plays in the Pro Bowl a couple of years ago, and the people at Ole Miss are telling me, it’s two days after the Pro Bowl and he’s up there working out two days after the Pro Bowl. So, that’s what you got there. So, if there’s anybody you don’t worry about being in shape and working out, Derrick’s one of them.”
– The offseason of JaMarcus Russell.
“He’s having a phenominal offseason. He came back 10, 11 days before we even started,” Kiffin said. “So he was with our coaches and with our strength staff before everybody else got back here five weeks ago and he hasn’t missed a thing since. Most the guys are really here three, four hours a day. He’s here about five-and-a-half, six hours a day.
“He’s here first thing in the morning, he has position meetings in the morning, he goes in and lifts and he goes in and runs. He comes in and changes and goes back out and throws with the guys. By far he’s in the best shape since I’ve seen him, even if you go back to his pro day at college. So I know he’s real excited about the upcoming season as well.”
The status of running back LaMont Jordan.
“LaMont does have a very high contract, and a big number coming into this,” Kiffin said. “So we have to look at what happens in the draft, look at what else is going on and make a decision.”
– Health updates.
Kiffin said Kelly should be ready to go 100 percent by training camp. Free agent wide receiver Javon Walker (knee) should be good to go at the first minicamp following the draft, and safety Jarrod Cooper “is nearly 100 percent) following ACL surgery.
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April 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
No
April 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
DMAC in Silver and Black
April 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Jordan is as good as gone
April 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
TW, XXXL for the yokes ya know
April 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hey where is everybody?
April 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Its getting close now. Al and kiff are playing head games with the mediaheads just like they have since they met.
Man its gonna be a great year and an exciting draft.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
10TH
April 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
8TH
April 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Jerry, Love your informative posting style. Not just a hit and run approach.
I might not always agree on your opions, but I love your formats.
Keep up the good work.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
LMN, Send me the gold star so i can put it on my
DMAC XXXL Authentic.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
11th oh yea!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
If Long is there we take him
If Long is gone, we attempt to trade
If no trade can get done we take McFadden
and you can remove Glenn Dorsey and Branden Albert from future discussions…
April 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
JRUSS will be ready, all those lying reports about him being 300lbs liars….Mediots.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I think we should trade down and take another defensive back.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Long will be gone.
Jets stay at 6.
We draft DMAC.
We trade or cut Jordan.
I get a gold star from LMN.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
JR is good to go! Great News that he’s involved, intense and ready to get it done. Better yet, he’s in the best shape ever! So much for the pundits.
Yes, let’s get the D-Line staffed correctly. Can’t wait for “With the fourth pick of the 2008 NFL draft, Oakland picks…
April 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
A trade would be great. Move down a few spots, still get Sedrick Ellis or Ryan Clady (despite Kiff’s protestations, I gotta believe he’s at the top of the board, OL-wise), and get more picks. And honestly, I have no idea where this bizarre man-love for McFadden is coming from. Mike Mayock has him rated as the THIRD-best prospect at RB. Good grief, we actually had some moron last season complaining that we were WINNING games, “because if we win too much, we won’t get to draft McFaaaaaaaaaaaden!” Grow up, already.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Thec..
LOL, good one =)
April 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
FANTASTIC, THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFO
April 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
looks like we will NOT get a OL for sure with our first pick.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
One question, Who is Mike Mayock. Is he part of the NATION? No man love here for DMAC bretheren. I just support who we are picking.
Did Mayock report that JRUSS was 300lbs ? Bottom line F mayock and thehorse he rode in on. If he stated that JRUSS was at 300lbs he has zero cred with the NATION.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Dude, it is nice to see that we got our coach back. Two interviews in about a month. We are almost like a real football team again.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I was trying to post a link to a story about McFadden on Sportingnews.com, but for some reason I am not being allowed to.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
We’re drafting McFadden, all this “trade talk” is just smoke screens, its pretty obvious.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
LMN, Gold star will be a nice touch lol
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
o/~ I want Trevor Laws! o/~
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
raiderduck,
is mayock god?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
OK, OK! Yesterday I said I would wait till draft day to post but d@mmit Jerry you had to drop this blockbuster blog! I like this Kiff guy, I really do. He simply WON’T let AD marginalize him!! As for the discussion about draft day, I agree with you BART… except - no trade draft Gholston!! YEAH NATION get ready!! I’M IN!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
It doesn’t allow links to be posted anymore.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
if chris long is gone dmac will be a raider
April 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
My people on the island have clammed up on me since yesterday,..both contacts not replying to my emails or text messages,…but prior to that my main guy told me its one of three,..Chris Long,..DMAC or Gholston,…there will be no trade unless its for the Jets 6th,…I was told Bush game ready right now,..how good he is is another question…my opinion, as of right now, is its going to be Gholston,…but I would prefer McFadden.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/04/24/kiffin-talking-trade/#comment-162783
April 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
As I recall, Davis and Mayock (the NFL Network’s Mel Kiper, basically) are good friends. I remember reading that last year that Davis offered Mayock Mike Lombardi’s old job. Mayock only turned him down because he didn’t want to move his family off the east coast. I could be wrong, but I think it was Adam Schefter (sp?) who reported the JR-is-a-lardass “story.” Same network, VERY different people.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Here is a link about McFadden:
sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=403809
April 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
If we draft McDaddy, make sure there is velcro and stick em on the jersey he holds up for pics.
I would hate to see him fumble it
April 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
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April 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
My first-round draft board for the Raiders: Trade down, Chris Long, Sedrick Ellis, Vernon Gholston
Of course, a trade down is never going to happen. Even if the Raiders actually wanted to do it, it is nearly impossible to get teams to trade up into the top 5 anymore, mostly because of the contract you have to pay the player.
Here are my list of reasons why the Raiders should not draft Darren McFadden at #4. Obviously to those like myself who don’t even believe that McFadden is the best RB in the draft, it’s a no-brainer to not pick him. But to humor those who do believe the Raiders should consider drafting him, here is a comprehensive argument against it:
1) Football games are usually won in the trenches
1.1 Running backs get all the glory, but the OL does most of the work.
1.2 DE is probably the most important position behind QB and LT, and DT is not far behind
2) He’s a one-dimensional player
2.1 As a runner, he’s purely a sprinter. In the NFL, even with a good offensive line he will struggle to consistently get past the first level of the defense on run plays.
2.1.1 When needed, he rarely showed the ability to use decent change-of-direction moves.
2.1.2 He runs with terrible body lean, even at the point of contact, and goes down easily.
2.1.3 His stiff-arm is only used on the edge against defenders running essentially the same direction as he is.
2.1.4 He is too skinny for the position. The top 30 rushers in the NFL last season all had a higher weight-to-height ratio than McFadden, except for Warrick Dunn.
2.2 His overhyped throwing ability will be useless in the NFL. For God’s sake he only threw 21 passes last year, Ronald Curry threw five times that many as a senior and we never let him throw.
2.3 His blocking, routes, and hands are average at best for a HB prospect.
3) Need (Depth)
3.1 HB is one of the few positions on the team where the Raiders have solid depth. Bad drafting and cap management has left the team horribly thin.
3.2 The Raiders amazingly only have three DEs, all of them one-dimensional (Burgess and Edwards can’t stop the run, Richardson can’t rush the passer)
3.3 DTs need to rotate more than any other position, and Kelly’s backup (William Joseph) is highly expendable. A situational four-man DT rotation of Kelly, Terdell Sands, Ellis, and Gerard Warren would be the perfect way for Ellis to break in at a tough position to play as a rookie. It would also help our pass rush on passing downs right away, since Sands is so lacking in that department.
4) Need (Starter)
4.1 The Raiders can run the ball already. You could say that McFadden would upgrade a starting position for the Raiders, and I would agree. However I am not swayed by this argument because there are easily 15+ players in the draft that could upgrade a Raiders starting position right away.
4.2 The Raiders don’t have a DE that can rush the passer who will still be on the roster two years from now.
4.3 The Raiders cannot stop the run. The defense gave up almost 25 points per game despite Lane Kiffin’s staunch commitment to the run (6th-most rushing yards in the league). As a result, the Raider offense had to abandon the run a few times even though it was all they were good at offensively. Other than the Wilson signing and the assumed progression of some returning players, the Raiders have had no upgrades to an awful run defense.
4.4 The Raiders passing game figures to be average at best. This will greatly hamper the effectiveness of an upgraded running game. The passing game is still king when it comes to generating points. Despite an effective running game, bad pass blocking and bad quarterback play prevented the team from getting near the red zone most of the time, and when they did get to the red zone, the Raiders also ranked lower in passing TDs than they did in rushing TDs. The Raiders may have actually taken a step back in terms of pass protection in the offseason, and Russell has a long way to go before being an effective QB.
5) Impact window of a RB
5.1 Running backs have an extremely short shelf life. The Raiders are at least 2-3 years away from contending for a Super Bowl. You are kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. Honestly the odds are greatly stacked against it until Manning and Brady start to fall apart. By then, McFadden will be near the tail-end of his career.
5.2 Running back is the easiest position in the NFL at which to contribute right away. When (if) the Raiders get their act together a few years down the road, they can draft a stud RB to contribute right away at that time. Meanwhile the Raiders have many long-term needs at positions which cannot be easily quick-fixed later.
6) Character
6.1 I don’t think his character is so bad that it is likely to make him a bust by itself, but it is clearly not up to par with the other players rated at the top of the draft
7) Durability
7.1 Like character, I don’t think he’s so bad in this department, but he has had some ankle and Achilles issues. Enough to worry me as compared to the three players on my Raiders 1st-round draft board. Although you may have noticed Dorsey is not on my list, and durability is the reason why. 3-4 years from now, I think Dorsey will be playing like the best player from this draft, but beyond that I don’t think you can count on him.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Darkknight: No, Mike Mayock is obviously not God. He IS, however, a very respected talent evaluator. I included his rankings to point out that it is NOT universally accepted that McFadden is the second coming of Barry Sanders, as so many seem to believe. We have better ways to spend the fourth pick in the draft.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Sporting news had the Raiders taking Clady in their mock draft forever, but now the pick is Gholston. Sporting News sucks.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
thats some great news on Russ!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Best quotes on specific players:
On Tommy Kelly
“he’s here to be our three technique and dominate in there”.
On Chris Long
“He’s so strong at the point of attack, and would be a guy that I think would help us tremendously in the run game”.
On Darren McFadden.
“he’s so unique and so dynamic….a phenomenal touchdown maker.”
April 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I dont want the ghost. The ghost will use his disappearing act and become a figment of our imagination.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
We can quote and twist whatever we want to make our point. McFadden 3rd best back in the draft. B–lsh-t
Vic Carucii has him the best player in the draft. Put that in your already lit pipe and smoke it after you get done with your munchies.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807ef372&template=with-video&confirm=true
April 24th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
McFadden is the best player in the draft. The Raiders will not pass him up like they did with Randy Moss. They can always trade Fargas.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I was just thinking, now that the Chiefs have traded Jared Allen they are in the market for a defensive end. If Chris Long is there for them at 5 I think they jump all over him. Al Davis knows this and I don’t think he will ever let that happen. That leaves me to believe that if Long is there at four, we take him. If not, I believe we trade down or take McFadden.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Please Al, don’t be blinded by Gholston’s combine workout, he is not a ‘football player’
I hope Kiffin’s admission that ‘the Ghoul’ is better suited for a 3-4 means that we aren’t getting him.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The offseason of JaMarcus Russell.
“He’s having a phenominal offseason. He came back 10, 11 days before we even started,” Kiffin said. “So he was with our coaches and with our strength staff before everybody else got back here five weeks ago and he hasn’t missed a thing since. Most the guys are really here three, four hours a day. He’s here about five-and-a-half, six hours a day.
“He’s here first thing in the morning, he has position meetings in the morning, he goes in and lifts and he goes in and runs. He comes in and changes and goes back out and throws with the guys. By far he’s in the best shape since I’ve seen him, even if you go back to his pro day at college. So I know he’s real excited about the upcoming season as well.”
I can’t hear this enough!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The ghost will be invisible, though, and be able to sneak past offensive linemen without being detected. Then all of a sudden, BOOM!!! Holy Toledo, where did that come from. And, Gholston is running down the field with the ball for a touchdown.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Some juicy nuggets today, but we have to remember; Kiffin’s not in charge.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
As Vito Corleone said, “this is not personal, it is business.” Long goes to K.C.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Long or McFab, either or is fine with me. We need playmakers and ballers.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Post 38
TrevJO, thank you for the dissertation on why we shouldnt take DMAC. Nice information great insight.
After saturday you can do a thesis on why it is good
that we picked DMAC.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I still think the Raiders can work out a deal to get both Long and McFadden. Trade next years number one and three plus some players to the Rams.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Not a chance, Thec. If that happens I will certainly hope the pick works out, but I will absolutely not believe that it will.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
What does
“he’s here to be our three technique and dominate in there”.
that mean for us non tech types?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Thec,
Search for Mike Mayock on this site.
Page /raidersblog/2007/05/03/raiders-to-hire-tv-draft-expert/
There was a rumor last year that he would replace Lombardi, but it didn’t come true.
I don’t recall ever hearing him saying that Russell was over weight.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Chris Long is the pick IF he is there. Otherwise the organization is seriously going to try to trade down. Gholston is a possibility although it won’t be the most ideal fit for him. McFadden is possible but not very likely unless we are stuck. (Nothing was said about Ellis who can better play NT than Dorsey …I guess it all depends on Sands at the same time)
April 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
McFadden is NOT the best player in the draft; Glenn Dorsey is. If nothing else, McFadden fumbles way too much, and the highlight clips of him that I’ve seen always show him running for TD’s through huge holes in the OL. Yes, he’s fast. So was Trung Canidate. Am I saying that McFadden will be a bust? No. He could very well be an excellent RB. But there are question marks, when you’re 4-12, you don’t draft players with question marks at positions you’re already stacked at. If Fargas, Rhodes & Jordan were gone, and our starting RB combo was Rashard Lee & Michael Bush (who is very much an unknown quantity at this point), then YES, we take McFadden. But we’re set at RB. Meanwhile our DL is an embarrassment, and we have a Terdell-Sands-sized-hole at LT. Those are where we should be drafting.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Why did I post a recap?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
TrevJo, So you are saying then that you wont support DMAC?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
# Cole Ford Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
The three technique is what Shanahan and Elway used to practice in the shower.
…..
Would you quit it, man?
Everyone knows it was the dirty sanchez. Elway talked about it in his book.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
You heard Kiffin said. Sands is going to be awesome this year. We don’t need a DT.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
“I think if you saw our board on offensive linemen you’d be shocked because it wouldn’t go anywhere near any of the mock drafts or any of the people that you see where you go,” Kiffin said. “We’d have people at the top of our offensive line board that you’d think are fourth or fifth round picks. It’s a different way to eveluate people.”
This is good to hear that our top prospects on the OL we can grab after the 4th round which means we can address are other needs first - Its important we get as many picks as possible even if they are in the later rounds
April 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I think LaMont is going to come into the season with a chip on his shoulder and produce when given the chance.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Good post Duck (#60). You’ve got me thinkin about the Gholston pick.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Unfortunately, though, Shanarat’s been giving us the “Three Technique”, from behind, since he’s been a head coach in this league.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Al is in charge and he likes chaos management.
He wants everyone pissed off and fired up instead of complacent and accepting.
He promised to make a run at the SB and he is delivering.
Kiff will work harder to prove Al wrong or right. You know al called kiff on his jobhunt and his 4-12 record. I bet kiff responded with your team sucks and has no talent. Al took issue with that and is giving the kid some talent to back up his mouth.
Al loves the Raiders. He lives the Raiders and he wants them to win more then anyone on earth. I sure am grateful he is in charge.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
You guys say how bad a person is but when they become a Raider you will sing prasies to his name. When DMAC scores TD’s what will some of you be saying, I know you will be on this blog singing praises All hail DMAC blah blah blah. Rember how you put him down, now you praise him. I guess thats what you call a “true” fan.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Exlaraidertix dude,..I think Vitos son, Mike, said that..but whatever…regarding killing that punk cop and the Turk,…I will pop back in here later,..goin to down a Norco and some vino and take my dog for a walk…in my Russell jersey!!!!!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Since Davis seems to be spending all of his money for short term gain. He just trade away our 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 number one picks so we can get Long, McFadden, and Clady.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Dmac may become the explosive on offensive replacement when we lost Moss.
Kiffin….keeps saying we need dynamic playmakers on offense….Dmac is considered dynamic fellas (FACT)regardless whether or not some of you want to believe it or not.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
The status of running back LaMont Jordan.
“LaMont does have a very high contract, and a big number coming into this,” Kiffin said. “So we have to look at what happens in the draft, look at what else is going on and make a decision.”
Jordan is either trade for an UDFA = cut to make room for the real ballers on the squad.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
$$$,
As intriguing as todays’ conference was, Kiffin is not going to be the one making the decisions. Kiffin is also known for throwing disinformation to the press. So adding those two together, there isn’t much reason to believe a word that comes out of Kiffin’s mouth.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Cole, were you just watching them?
Or were you insructing them in this three tech?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
He we go again with the RB position is set. We have a never was, a never will be and hope of recovery from injury. Let’s make it simple, If that was Fargus’s best, trade him while he has value and remember he has a low cap number. If Bush is recovered, pair him with McFadden and make it a nightmare for def cord. Keep Rhodes to spell both and June 1, cut Jordan.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Thec, I will support whoever we pick, and root for their success, even if it’s McFadden. But I will not turn around after the pick and say it was a good pick.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
#66
Until he hurts his back yet again. He was producing last year until he got hurt against Miami.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
#70 Speak for yourself.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Alright, I’ve thought about it. I think Turd will get it done this year because I believe Kiff sincerely does. So that means we nee outside pressure… that has Gholston all over it! But if we took McToothpick legs, I’d accept that too.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
A.I. You’re right on the quote but its still true.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Hopefully it will be C Long. Gholston is over hyped..if not trade down and take Ellis or just draft Dmac…Lamont won’t see a reg season game this yr. at least not in the Oakland.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Sorry - at.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
# Alameda Insider Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
My people on the island have clammed up on me since yesterday,..both contacts not replying to my emails or text messages,…but prior to that my main guy told me its one of three,..Chris Long,..DMAC or Gholston,…there will be no trade unless its for the Jets 6th,…I was told Bush game ready right now,..how good he is is another question…my opinion, as of right now, is its going to be Gholston,…but I would prefer McFadden.
…..
Is one of your people on the island Al Davis? If not, what the heck do they know?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Our Running Backs
1. DMAC
2. MBUSH
3. Rhodes, backup to above, K return & P return.
4. Fargass A$$out traded.
5. Jordan Traded for a UDFA…otherwise know as cut.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
POST 38
DIDNT READ A SINGLE WORD..THIS ISNT THE BLEACHER REPORT.GO LOG ON THERE!
talk about over analyzing…we only trade pick if we stay in top ten and get a secon or third rnd pick..say taking gholston or ellis
if we trade with cowboys well drop to 22 and should get a wr and two more picks
damn I am good and if rams take dorsey and atlanta takes ryan well take LONG but if dorsey and long are gone well take Mc Fadden…guarantee
April 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Thec,
That’s what I’m talking about. You got it!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
OL prospects:
Sam Baker 2nd
Chris Williams 2nd
Anthony Collins 2nd
Duane Brown 4th
Tony Hills 3rd
King Dunlap 5th
Barry Richardson 5th
Breno Giacomini 6th
Will Robinson 7th
David Hale 7th
Thaddeus Coleman 7th
Demetrius Bell 7th
Phil Trautwein 7th
Mike Gibson 7th
April 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
trevJo, you did a dissertation on how bad DMAC is. If we draft him how the hell will you fell brethren?
How can anyone with that much time to post that kind of venom turn around and show support?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Al Davis makes most of his decisions at 3 in the morning, after making late night phone calls to people like John Madden and Satan. His closest second in command has no clue what he’s going to do. He pulled the trigger on the Gruden trade in a late night, 3 way phone call between him, Gruden, and one of those Glazier goofballs.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I have a great idea. We need to hire a private investigator to find out who Al Davis’ housekeeper is. Then we pay them off to bug his house and come on this blog to give us our inside information.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I never wanted McFadden, and I won’t change my tune when we draft him, if we do. I’m sure he’ll have some great moments but I’m skeptical that we’ll even use him, because in recent years we really haven’t ran the ball a lot. Kiffin was an exception, but how long will he be around? That’s why I don’t think we’re taking McFadden, to begin with. The only reason i can see Al taking him is if a rival is looking to get him. So far, us and Dallas seem to be the only teams interested, and Al doesn’t give a rats ass what Dallas does. Him and Jerry are cool.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
if we don’t pick DMAC or we trade down..we could still get a good back up and eventual starter in the later rounds or FA..there is a kid coming out of ASU that is going to be a solid back….Ryan Torain.
His season was cut short with a foot injury but that seems all healed. he just had a great pro day @ ASU.
He would come cheap and thrive in the ZBS.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
$$$ - That’s crazy… anyone know a private investigator?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
#98 If we draft McFadden I will feel f***ing horrible, that is how I will feel. That won’t change the fact that I still badly want the Raiders to win. Whoever is a Raider, I will root for them.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
“Something can happen any minute here. If that happens it’s more that we’re looking at it and saying there’s not someone there we just feel great about. Or the other way is if our guy is not there at that point we’ll go ahead and deal with that on Saturday, but we’ve got to wait until we’re on the clock to make sure our guy’s not there.”
He added a late first and a late second wouldn’t be enough to make a deal. So a team in the middle of the first round that might really want Darren McFadden could be a partner (Chicago?)
April 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Andrews mom Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Al is in charge and he likes chaos management.
He wants everyone pissed off and fired up instead of complacent and accepting.
He promised to make a run at the SB and he is delivering.
Kiff will work harder to prove Al wrong or right. You know al called kiff on his jobhunt and his 4-12 record. I bet kiff responded with your team sucks and has no talent. Al took issue with that and is giving the kid some talent to back up his mouth.
Al loves the Raiders. He lives the Raiders and he wants them to win more then anyone on earth. I sure am grateful he is in charge.
_____________________________________________
Great post !!!!!!!!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
the :jets’ have been rumored to want DMAC. Trading down with the jets would be an option.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Kiffin said Sands has been present a lot this offseason after not being around much at all last year.
*Michael Bush is looking good at running back and just needs an opportunity.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Al would make a private investigator in the first five minutes, and feed him disinformation to confuse whoever hired him.
You can’t BS a BS’er.
The way to figure out what Al is going to do is to profile him. You can’t trust Al, but you can trust Al to be Al. See?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
I too have heard rumors that the Jets want McFadden. There’s no way they will trade up to #4 to draft him though. They know that if we want him, we will just take him at #4. If we don’t want him, they can get him at #6.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Trading down with the Jets would be perfect. Keep DMac away from KC, and still be able to get Ellis (or maybe Clady).
April 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
If the Bears draft McFadden he is going to get injured and suck. He will be known as one of the greatest busts of all time. If the Raiders get him, he will be an all pro.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
[…] Inside the Oakland Raiders is reporting that head coach Lane Kiffin has said today the Raiders are looking at the possibility of trading the 4th overall selection. After reading the title of the article, but before glancing at any of it, a feeling of disbelief came over me. […]
April 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Yeah i dont like the idwea of the cooks getting him either. But they need a DE to replace allen so the ghost could wind up in KC.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
If the Ghost goes to KC, you know he is going to have one of those six sack games against us.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
*Kiffin talked about the need for a “dynamic” player a lot last season. That’s the word he used to describe McFadden more than once.
Post 105,108 and this one are all quotes from
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/012113.html
a couple of extra quotes that jerry didn’t include
April 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
My prediction is McFadden goes late in the first round, and probably to Big D, with that pick they got from Cleveland, at around 20 or whatever it was. I wish I could bet y’all, be seven and eleven and takin’ suckas money….
April 24th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
McToothpick legs? Classic!
April 24th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
X that predicition is ridiculous…ain’t gonna happen.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Peter King thinks the Chargers should trade their number one to Miami for Jason Taylor. That is kind of scary for Russell if they make that trade.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I wish I could bet you, Quagmired. Nobody wants McFadden except for the Boys, and only because Jerry Jones is an Arkansas guy.
April 24th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
TrevJo…..since you made a detailed case…
Here´s the analysis from nfldraftscout.com
They are the scouting agency that provides the Draft information to NFL.COM and for USATODAY.COM´s Top 500 prospects database (the most complete scouting reports out there, everyone should take a look).
-Note, I adapted it because it´s hard to read in its original format.
Darren McFadden
Balance, vision and instincts:
- With his superb balance, he is very smooth when changing direction, showing a sudden burst out of his cuts.
- Has the field vision and awareness to find the open crease and excels at anticipating cutback lanes.
- Has natural running instincts, showing a very nice feel for the rush lanes, as he anticipates openings and has made marked improvement in using his vision to set up his block.
- Makes quick decisions, especially on the jump-cut, has outstanding lateral range to slip off tackles in the open.
- Has the feet to sidestep trash and the body control to slide through holes, doing a nice job of bursting through tight seams.
Speed, acceleration, change of direction, cutting ability.
- Very easy for him to change direction with his balance and plant-and-drive agility.
- Has the pick-and-slide agility to make defenders miss, showing outstanding acceleration and flexibility when changing direction.
- He has that rare speed and explosive second gear to be very elusive getting through traffic, thanks to sharp lateral cuts.
- His acceleration allows him to separate and his body controls allows him to maintain balance throughout his runs.
- Has that initial step needed to accelerate and get to top speed quickly and clear the holes.
- Gets a quick start, as seen in the way he demonstrates crisp cutting ability and is the type that doesn’t need to gear down when changing direction.
- Has the speed to get outside, make the cut and turn it up the field, as he uses quick footsteps when running in-line.
Strenght, toughness.
- Plays with good toughness, lowering his head and driving hard with his legs after contact, can bounce off tackles and gives good second effort when his initial move fails.
- Might not be able to always push the pile, but has the functional lower-body strength to stay up, bounce off and execute his lateral range with good quickness.
Passing game.
- Willing blocker who shows the ability to pick up blitzes and will chip defenders with good intent and purpose.
- Has the speed to get downfield in a hurry on pass routes and is fluid and quick getting into his patterns. Understands coverage and where he fits catching underneath throws.
- Does a good job of reaching and plucking the ball, especially on screens, natural hands catcher who can snatch the ball outside his frame work.
- Will take on the blitz and has developed good cut-blocking skills, will not hesitate to face up and stone the opponent blocking in-line.
As you can see, you and them have a very different opinion. I do feel you are wrong about McFadden but since it´s your opinion, I respect it as well.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
You guys if we trade down with the Jets, 2 slots, we are NOT going to get the Jets 2nd and 3rd rounders, Dwayne Robertson and D’Brickashaw Ferguson. We’d most likely get a fourth, more likely a fifth rounder to move down 2 slots. So, would you rather have Long/McFadden/Ellis/Gholston or Clady/Harvey/McKelvin/Rivers and some guy you’ve never heard of????????? Other than Keith Rivers, you can’t compare. Stay at four and grab a pro bowl player. Then trade some of our backups for whatever we can get. We don’t need them now.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Jason taylor, where do the dischargers put him? They have the 2 seans.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Remember fellas, this is the time to lie, lie, lie.
Take everything Kiffin said and multiply by 3.142857.
If he’s somewhat honest here then I think what’s most interesting is going to be how we move back into the 2nd and what that pick becomes. We were all pretty satisfied with taking either RB or DL at the #4 spot and OT with the next pick. Now what? WR? LB? RB?
He certainly let teams know that if they want McFadden that they will have company. Is he trying to hype him more for more value??
No mention of Ellis?
Long would be a TREMENDOUS help against the run??
Game on!
April 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Most*
April 24th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I don’t care if Kiffin’s lying or not, the bottom line is that he won’t be the one who decides. Kiffin telling us what the Raiders are going to do is like the blind leading the blind. People who’ve been with the team for decades have no clue what Al is going to do. He makes most of his decisions at 3 in the morning, on the eve of hour zero. It would have been a cheerleader sitting in Kiffin’s chair today, and I’d invest just as much into it.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
OK OK OK >>>> Per PATH TO THE DRAFT: Kiffin says (video) “….obviously we’ve watched a lot of him done a lot of research on him but obviously hmmm there’s so many different directions for us to go before we get to RB”
NOW can you McLovers finally get your heads out of HIS ass and move on?
April 24th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Sorry to Repost from a few minutes ago:
Oakglenn Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
So, based on what Kiff just said let’s review:
The Raiders are NOT going to trade down, as I discussed yesterday, e.g., the overall #4 to Dallas for #’s 22 and 28. As I said, would you trade a potential pro bowl player for a couple of servicable starters??? The answer is NO. Thank You Kiff.
As I said yesterday there are deals on the table for a variety of different players. Until we know who is available when we are on the clock, it makes no difference what those deals are. We’re not going to trade our guys to have picks for players we don’t want.
Defensive line is our biggest need. Thank God someone understands this!!!!!!!!! Notice how he said defensive LINE!!! In other words both end AND tackle!!!!!!!!!! As I have reiterated over and over here on this site, all the teams in the playoffs last year had multiple high draft choices on their dlines. We didn’t. Neither did KC. Those teams were in the playoffs. KC and us sucked ASS!!! Is there a connection??? People keep telling me we can find excellent defensive linemen in the 6th round. Yeah, 6′6″ 310 lb guys that run 4.8 forty’s just fall out the sky every three seconds. Sure.
And I haven’t even gotten to Jam and Mike Bush yet…
April 24th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
ideally we can get #6 and #36 from NYJ in exchange for #4, in that case we can get gholston or ellis, save some money, and then get sam baker, lawrence jackson, pat sims, gosder cherilus, quentin groves, or even one of the WRs, this would be the ideal scenario that seems possible right now, otherwise………….With the 4th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft……..the Oakland Raiders select……..Darren McFadden…Running Back..from the University of Arkansas………………..
April 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I cannot beleive the level of conjucture on this blog. Priceless. Does anyone think that AL just figured out what he is going to do? Does anyone think that AL doesnt tell his staff HC, OC DC etc what he plans to do?
Thats what makes this blog so greqat. allways good for a laugh or 2.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I don’t see Mangini wanting McFadden, so I don’t buy any reports suggesting it. The only team I buy wanting McFadden is Dallas. Now that Jerry’s got nobody underneath him putting on the heat to build a real team, he has room to make goofy decisions from his heart again, like taking McFadden solely because he’s a Razorback.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Bob, the nfldraftscout scouting profile has only been posted on this blog about a hundred times.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
or 5
April 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
i think the Patsies would take McToothpick legs as long as they didn’t break if he fell to them.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
The New York Jets have traded defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Denver Broncos for a conditional 2009 draft choice, coach Mike Shanahan announced Thursday. The move improves a great position of need for the Broncos.
The conditional draft pick will be a late-round selection, reports NFL Networks’ Adam Schefter.
Robertson (6-foot-1, 310 pounds) is a sixth-year player who joins the Broncos after playing his first five professional seasons with the Jets. New York selected him with the fourth overall pick of the 2003 NFL Draft from the University of Kentucky.
In 77 career regular-season games (75 starts), Robertson has totaled 319 tackles (188 solo), 14.5 sacks (106 yds.), four forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and two pass breakups. He also has totaled 18 tackles (11 solo) in three career playoff games (3 starts).
Robertson has played every game in four of his five seasons and missed only three games for his career.
The Broncos also on Thursday waived center Norm Katnik.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Al makes the final decision. Jesus, run for the hills Ma Barker!!!!!!!!!!!!! What owner doesn’t??????????? Do you think for one second that Scott Pioli doesn’t go to Bob Kraft and say, “Uh, Bob, we’re right about to invest 55 million of your cake in this guy. You’re good with this right????” You think Pat Bowlen or Jeff Lurie or Mark Cuban for that matter aren’t involved??? Al is going to invest big money in the team’s needs. he already has.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Post 129, what are you saying. that says nothing about us drafting DMAC, or not.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Well, I posted it again, now you have to read it!.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Thanks Quagg. You guys are all making valid points based on our probable needs. Fact is, when you’re 4-12 you got a lot of holes and question marks to fill. But like Jerry said in an earlier blog, we had some early success last year and also lost some close ones with most of the cast we still have. I think we’re closer than you guys know. Also, would I rather have McToothpicks running on us in the division or Gholston wacking our QB. 1st scenario hurts our pride, the 2nd hurts our franchise. (for years no less)
April 24th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
the person that started that rumor was Don Banks (sports illustrated) and peter king (also SI)
April 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Chris Long is going to look goooood in silver and black!
April 24th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
OakGlenn
You forgot the most important part, Davis makes those decisions at 3:00am, like some other bloggers here are blogging at 3:00am also.
They must be taken less lightly, I guess, or they have a problem.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Yeah, I agree C Long will look good in the silver and black benz he is going to buy. Long will be in yellow and blue the rams colors.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Philly, I completely agree. Regardless of who we take the number one thing this team needs, number one, and I said this before last season even began, this team needs to learn how to win. That’s a very serious statement and the operative question is then, which players know how to win???? Which are the winning players?? Glenn Dorsey, and Sedrick Ellis to me are one and two.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Option 1: Draft CLong, trade Burgess for a 2nd Rounder
Option 2: Trade the pick for a 1st and 2nd
Option 3: Draft Darren McFadden
Option 4: Draft Vernon Gholston
this is it peeps, these are the only scenarios, it will all come down to who the Rams and Falcons take, and who wants to talk business with Uncle Al
April 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Well, the good news is that according to Kiffin we can still get an offensive lineman with real ability in the 4th round. So things look pretty good from that perspectve. If they could just make a trade and get a second round pick, we could have our D-Lineman ( Gholston or Long ) and a good prospect at DT. That would cover all of the bases.
There’s a lot of heat on the D-Line that we have now, so I expect that their performance will improve. Warren, Joseph, et al all have a lot to prove. From what I saw last year, Sapp was something of a liability, and I don’t believe he will be missed. I’m glad to hear that Sands is getting his act together and has recovered from all of the family trauma. That can be tough to deal with. If he comes to camp in good shape, then things will definitely look up.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
C’mon McFadden is the hype of the century. I’ll tell you right now, Chauncey Washington is better then him.
I say go with Keith Rivers, he’s worth it!!!Trust me.
He’s the best player coming out this year.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Someone is about to get……toasted
April 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Now Charlesley (sp) may be wrong on McFadden but he says Chris Long is BETTER THAN Patrick Kerney coming out. He says he scouted Kerney and Long is better. Man if he is better than Kerney do whatever you can to get him. Kerney makes a HUGE difference on that defense and if Long can have a even better impact than Kerney - dude we’ve got to get him! CLong is the pick.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
We’re not going to get a decent pass-blocker in the 4th round, let’s not kid ourselves. If all we want to do is run all day then yeah we can draft an OL late who can help us do that. But we won’t win many games that way.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
#121 Tommy Trojan
I agree, Sam Baker, Lawrence Jackson…sleepers.
The#1 Football Factory in the country is…? USC
C’mon you can’t go wrong with USC products.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Sounds exciting, Kiffins sounds good.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Please SL pick Dorsey - PLEASE!
April 24th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Available o-linemen coming out of USC:
Rachal, Chilo
Radovich, Drew
Spanos, Matt
Baker, Sam
These guys will find a home.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
42 hours 6 mins
April 24th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I am glad that are fans who think nothing of Kiffin not wearing black when he is doing press interviews but it bugs the crap out of me. He is wearing Buccaneer red, WTF!
NFL Network at 4:00 PST says the Rams are in a dilemma on whether to take DE or Dorsey.
No surprise with the Falcons debating either Ryan or Dorsey if there.
McLoven says his name has surfaced with the Raiders in several conversations. He sounds like he would be happy to go to the Jets and why not, running behind Ferguson, Faneca and Mangold.
C. Long still going with the Co. line that he does not care where he goes. Charlie Casserly says the C. Long is better than Patrick Kerney when he scouted Kerney just prior to entering the NFL.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Terrapin
You´re biased as hell, Casserly is wrong on McFadden but right on Long…LOL and you call other people names?.
Dude, Casserly was asked directly and he said he would draft McFadden over C. Long.
Are you gonna say draft McFadden then or are you gonna rip Casserly?.
By the way, Casserly is just another opinion out there but at least he has extensive first hand experience.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Good update MRD
April 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
No holes on our D, by week 1
April 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Well said OG! I would love to have Dorsey, in fact in my earliest draft posts I was on the Dorsey bandwagon. But I’m completely sure he won’t be around when our number is called. After that, I just think that the Ghoul is our next highest need pick!
April 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
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April 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
BART:
My best case scenario…
Trade the 4th pick to the Jets (Jets get DMC)and draft Branden Albert #6.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Of course everybody’s lying this time of year (Raiders lie year round) but it sounds like they’re set a the 3 technique in their own minds. (No Ellis, Dorsey)
Chris Long very strong at the point of attack (sounds like a perfect fit). If Long’s gone, we trade the pick??
April 24th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
“Albert, the Virginia Tech lineman who has been a climber on draft boards of late as a projected tackle, would be a guard in a zone blocking system, Kiffin said.”
April 24th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
If whoever we draft is a pro bowler in 3 years, we will all forget about whoever we passed on.
I love those team updates, sounds great.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I just read on this blog called “across the silver and black pond”, where the writer of the blog mentioned something about mcfadden likes the broncos…..HAHAHA! no j/k.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
KELL:
If we stay at pick 4 and CLong is there I think we take him over DMC.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Marley - First off not everyone is right on everyone, including ME, Casserly, Mayock or whomever. Just because Casserly has high opinions on McFadden doesn’t mean he is right - doesn’t mean he is right about Long either. Like I have written before this, I said I don’t agree with his assessment of McFadden; but IF …see that IF.IF> he is right about Long we have got to take him.
I just don’t see eye to eye with his opinion of McFadden. What’s exactly wrong with that? Should you agree with Everything someone says just because you agree with one thing? Doesn’t make much sense does it?
But you are right I AM BIASED - I want C.Long - YOU MUST BE BIASED to even make a freakin’ pick. If you are not the time will run out homey. Better luck next year. However, I don’t have my lips sealed to a player’s ass live my McFadden lovin’ bros out here - I can see pass Chris Long’s ass cheeks to other alternatives. (i.e. Ellis, trade down, Gholston, or even skinny legs)
April 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Hey KK….
KoolKell Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Sounds exciting, Kiffins sounds good.
Starting to have a little more faith now? or do you remain in your previous position?.
I guees I know the answer, but let´s hear it.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
808, I agree
April 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Marley,
Hope springs eternal.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Particulairly this time of year
April 24th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
KELL:
We already have a DMC clone on our roster and his name is Justin Fargas. Fargas ran a 4.35 forty at the combine the year he was drafted. DMC ran a 4.33. Fargas is about the same height but 10 lbs heavier.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
What a world this would be if everyone agreed on everything? ….boooorrrrinnnnngg
April 24th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Just heard Lane Kiffin on KHTK. States needs are things that can be filled later in the draft and that the first few, highly paid, players of the draft need to be big time play makers. Whether offensive or defensive. When asked about McFadden he sounded pretty hyped up about him. Said he would make some team VERY happy. Also talked about trade possiblities though. The way he sounded made me feel like they might just take McFadden because of his big time play and touchdown making ability. His ability to take what would normally be a 15 yard gain a 60 yard TD.
I would take McFadden over Gholston but not over Dorsey or Long.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
40 times notwithstanding, I don’t think Fargas is the homerun hitter DMac is. Vision and lateral movement.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I dont know that any of the posters on the blog has there lips sow to any potential players ass. I also notice that the people who do want DMAC dont go bashing the other potential players with venom.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Must say Kiffen sounded really good, not like last year when he was hired. Way more confident. Also had good stuff to say about DeAngelo.
Could be an exciting year all.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
KELL:
The last HR hitter we had was Kaufman. That’s the lure of DMC.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Kaufam was useless in the passing game, Dmac is purported to be an excellent option coming out of the backfield. Good since Kiffin like his QB’s to dump down. But he better be able to pick up blitzes.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I think DMC will surprise some people with his ability to catch the ball.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
KoolKell, posts 163,164…haha you´re mellowing old man, but I´m sure you´ll be back if you don´t like our Draft moves.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Marley,
I don’t think the Raiders can lose at #4, any of those players the Raiders could use.
But they have to win, that’s all I want to hear & see. And Al better get that pick in camp on time.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
178th! who cares, and what does this silly business prove?
April 24th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
There are a lot of posters on this blog with there lips sewn to a particular players ass. Thats why they get the venom. It would be one thing to say ” I like so and so because…”. But we dont get that, we get ” so and so is going to be better than Bo Jackson, and O.J. and Emmit Smith, and Eric Dickerson, etc., etc. And their going to run for 1800 yards and score 20 TD’s. Which is so absurd being they have never even played in an actual NFL game much less a preseason game. Even though the actual player has the potential to do all of those things, it just isn’t reality based.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Raiders Board (assuming Dorsey off the board):
1. Chris Long
2. Trade Down w/Jets nab Ellis
3. Trade Down w/other team
4. Darren McFadden
This is what will happen. Im with you Terrapin…
April 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Take Chris Long, then grab Jamaal Charles in the 2nd so that you guys quench your home run thirst. He’s just as fast as McFadden, has WAY better moves and is a better receiver.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
GRIM, very well said, bravo.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
The Raiders got what they needed last year, Russell.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
If theres one thing I cant stand is someone who talks out of their a$$.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Last time i checked this was a blog….. A blog should be a place to discuss ideas offer opinions etc etc etc.
what have found hear is that a few “elitist” try to control the blog and make others feel inferior with the comments. Truly funny S#!t. The level of conjecture is truly amazing and very humourous.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
alameda,
well i would think that the only trade down possibility that would make sense is with the Jets. IMO…ONLY if Dorsey is picked by the Lambs and if Ryan goes to the Falcons….then we would be guaranteed to have our choice between C Long or Gholston and we would add the Jets 2nd rounder and a player I would think. Kiffin pretty much said it is a waiting game to see happens until they are on clock at #4.
I wish i heard Kiffin on the sac station….sounds like DMAC is the player they will target to add explosiveness to the offense for now and the future with JMarc and M Bush
April 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
don’t care what disinfo kiffin offers. we need to trade down, and yes, get the dl many crave, but first get clady so our rookie quarterback can survive the season.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
If we want DMC….then they will have to watch out for the Jets trading up with the Falcons.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Post 182 spoken like a true elitist.lol
April 24th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
If you were the Jets, why would you trade up to #4?
April 24th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
KoolKell….”And Al better get that pick in camp on time.”…haha, there you go, that´s more like it.
See you around KK.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
See Ya Bob.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
agree with GRIM. no one knows how an individual player will adjust from college to the pros. we just take our chances like everyone else, and let the sportswriters, with 20/20 hindsight, declare the geniuses.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Trev,
are you serious? to get McSkinny obviously
April 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
trevjo,
if they were desperate for dmc…
Thats if they don’t try and trade with Atlanta. I think if Dorsey goes to the Lambs…then there will be more trade possiblities for teams to move up and trade with the Falcons and us. It’s the Ryan factor….does Atlanta think that highly of Ryan to take him at #3 if Dorsey is off the board?
April 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I think Baltimore jumping up to get Ryan if Atl passes on him is our best chance to trade down. If Denver lands DMAC Im going to break something!
April 24th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
GRIM…..post 177
I like McFadden, but I agre that some of the stuff said here is outrageous and it goes both ways too. Facts is, he´s not Bo and he´s not Trung Canidate either.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
MistaBrown, Dont go near that plasma TV.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
The jets like McFadden and Gholston…both possiblilites to us or KC…the only way to assure either one is to take our spot. Period.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Be careful bo, you might be taling out your a$$. ROFLMAO
April 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell
Your comment regarding Ellis will not be drafted due to Kelly playing the three technique position, all scouts and NFL personnell have said, Ellis can play the NT and be effective in the 4-3 defense as well as the 3-4.
Most believe he is more familiar with the 4-3 defense.
Ellis can handle the NT.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
You’re the best, Jerry. Keep the updates coming. We love ya!
April 24th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I like your train of thought Coinman
April 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Interesting Kiffin did’nt mention Ellis, eh Dell?
More games…
April 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Sedrick Ellis is a HIGH POSSIBILITY…….especially if a trade is consummated with the Jets or Ravens.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
#192 there is no chance in hell the Jets will trade up with us to get McFadden at #4. We are the only team ahead of the Jets who might possibly be interested in him. The Jets know that if we want him, we’ll just take him at #4. If we don’t want him, they Jets know they don’t need to trade up, they can get him at #6. All this talk of trading with the Jets is purely wishful thinking.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Saint
You and I are on the same page, he mentions everybody, yet never says a peep about Ellis, real strange, especially since he recruited him to USc.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Q: Would you be surprised if this draft ended and you had just five picks?
Coach Kiffin: Yeah, I think I would. I think I would be surprised, just because that’s a long time to sit in a room without doing anything.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
The silence is deafening….
April 24th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Mad Road Dog: i know we’ve been like voices in the wilderness (of running backs who will be great without blockers) for some time now. ols are boring to alot of fans who want instant greatness.
April 24th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
trevjo,
then the Jets are out of luck getting a player they REALLY want….he has been visiting NYJETS plenty the past 3 weeks they say.
I’ll take DMC on the Raiders anyday of the week!