Last call for Michael Huff
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, July 8th, 2008 at 11:54 am in Oakland Raiders.
Fifth in a series of concerns regarding the makeup of the 2008 Raiders with the reporting date approaching on July 24 at the Napa Marriott:
Other than a temporary oasis provided by Rod Woodson in his last great year as a Hall of Fame player, the safety positions have been a wasteland since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
When the Raiders came back, Eddie Anderson had begun to slide and neither he nor Derrick Hoskins provided much in the way of playmaking, although both were capable of delivering the occasional big hit.
It’s been a revolving door ever since, th the likes of Darren Carrington, Anthony Newman, Marquez Pope, Anthony Dorsett, Ray Buchanan, Derrick Gibson and Stuart Schweigert, with some others I’m sure I forgot, and probably with good reason.
Erase Woodson’s eight interceptions in 2002, which included the signature defensive play of the season _ a 98-yard interception return for a touchdown against Brian Griese in Denver _ and you’d be hardpressed to come up with many instances where Oakland safeties made a play that turned a game in their favor.
Only Woodson, acquired through free agency, went to a Pro Bowl, and the Raiders have not had a safety that they drafted and developed themselves reach a Pro Bowl since Vann McElroy in 1984 _ nearly a quarter-century ago.
That was supposed to change when the Raiders drafted Michael Huff out of Texas in 2006 with the No. 7 overall pick, installing him at strong safety.
The Raiders were roundly criticized in some quarters for bypassing USC quarterback Matt Leinart. I didn’t agree at the time, and still don’t. I’d take JaMarcus Russell over Leinart in heartbeat as the quarterback of the future.
But the jury is still out regarding Huff. For two years he has been a solid cover safety in a division where Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez reside, not to mention a Denver team that loves bootlegs and throwing to the tight end.
When you’re drafted No. 7, you expect more than coverage ability, and Huff has just a single interception in 32 starts and one forced fumble. He has handled himself professionally since the day he arrived, but Huff is extremely slender, more of a blade than a hammer, and while can make the occasional sharp tackle, Huff has intimidated no one.
The solution in Year 3? Move Huff to free safety and see if he has the ball skills to make some plays. It was made possible by the acquisition of Gibril Wilson through free agency. Wilson played both sides with the New York Giants, but his ability to be physical in the box makes him more suited to the strong side.
If Wilson can provide the sort of physicality of, say, a Bob Sanders in Indianapolis, Huff will get the opportunity to demonstrate he can still be a worthwhile selection at No. 7 overall by coming up with some turnovers on the back end.
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July 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am
—”Las Vegas Police have made a second arrest in the June beating and robbery of Javon Walker. Arfat Fadel is already in custody. Deshawn Thomas, 40, is the second man charged with kidnapping, robbery, and conspiracy to commit robbery with substantial bodily harm. Walker had his orbital bone and jaw broken during the beating. He also suffered a concussion and had $103,000 in items taken. Jul. 8 - 2:28 p.m. ET”—
July 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am
#1
good read. thanks jerry!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
This is the critical year for Huff. Make some plays kid.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
That’s the Raiders problem, unlike the Oakland A’s, the Raiders don’t seem to have the in-house ability or institutional knowledge to develop their own players.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
yeah Huff…get it done or perish
July 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
before the acquisition of Gibril and alter on Hall, I was argumenting that Huff should be a corner opposite of Nnamdi…
I still like this waaaay more =)
July 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Go Raiders. Huff you are a thug, this is your breakout year!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
KoolKell I see it differently in that they were $40 million over the cap after the Superbowl run with a roster full of worn out veterans. This is the youngest team I can remember ever seeing. I guess thats what it takes is to hit rock bottom and have to rebuild.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I love you Jerry. Keep up the good work
July 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
no respect…I can’t wait for this guy to eat his words:
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2008/7/8/566983/game-8-raiders-ravens
July 8th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Memo!!!
good to see you back Bro’
July 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
“I would take the 89 Shell over the 89 Shanahan, and I would take the 1995 Shanahan, after he learned the ropes in Frisco, over any Art Shell version.”
I agree, hope that is the last of that discussion..
July 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Only thing I will say more about Shell is he made the right decision for the franchise drafting Huff instead of Leinart. I agree with Jerry, Russell is going to be much better.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
What about the picture of Vince Young, with Huff standing behind him in the now infamous shirtless party photos’?
July 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Rebel,
True this is the youngest Raider team I’ve ever seen (Good)
But they haven’t shown the ability to develop their own rookies. The only one I can think of is Nnamdi.
Gallery
Grove
Stinchcomb
Mo Collins
Doug Jolley
Fabian Washington
Andrew Walter
Jonnie Lee Higgins
Tyler Brayton
Teyo Johnson
Sam Williams
To name a few
July 8th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
justinMcBush….. = winning record within our divison.. Huff heres ur chance to prove ur self step it up son THE NATION needs you and JHL to do the damn thing this year….
July 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
The jury is still out KoolKell, they have reshaped the roster. By the numbers, this is the youngest Raider team in many years.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
The Oakland A’s on the other hand, with a very tight budget, unsubsidized by their wealthier competitors, unlike the Raiders, field a team of nobodies every year and compete for the pennant.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
For Instance Look at the 2004 Class
2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech
3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue
4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech
5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse
6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware
6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas
7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State
July 8th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Every NFL team has high turnover from the draft and because of FA. They also don’t have a farm league here in the states to develope players like baseball, only a handful on the development squad.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m blaming NORF on all the offensive picks in 2004
July 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Woohoooooooooo!!
I look for Huff to have a huge year!!
Blade instead of a hammer!!
Roaming at free safety will make him a pro bowler.
Yes sireee. This year is looking great.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Baseball gets to put their drafted players all in a league and can watch them compete against one another before they pick who will move up to the majors.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Eric Turner had a good year in ‘97.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Turner was a beast, very bad luck there.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Rebel…
I agree… Huff was a better pick than Leinert, I still think he is bad, I rather have Cutler or rivers than leinert.. But jammy is way better IMO than any of those 3…
But I still think Donte Whitner is a better Safety than Huff…
I think it was Vernon they were going for, and luckily SF took him, so we would need one and got Miller…
But as alway i’d hoped for we would trade down (which will never happen) and get Tye Hill
July 8th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
2004 draft looks like it has Lombardi’s finger prints all over it.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
RIP Turner
July 8th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I don’t know why Huff gets such a bum rap. He usually was paired up with tight ends and if I remember correctly, he shut them down for the most part. He needs to develop his ability to read and recognize the plays better, and take better angles on tackles. He will be utilized better as an FS.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Baseball gets to put their drafted players all in a league and can watch them compete against one another before they pick who will move up to the majors.
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is it the same thing with hockey? I know gretsky’s team drafted a guy, but I cant find any stats on him… not that I tried that hard… its not a sport i follow very much
July 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I think for a change the Raiders just got lucky and landed Russell and McFadden, which nobody ever envisioned would happen.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Not sure about hockey but it is a safe assumption in some northern american and canadian cities where hockey is popular.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Google semipro hockey and see what you get.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
30 year old Arfat Fadel, 40 year old Deshawn Thomas, hummmm. What was Walker after in their car?
All quiet on the Walker & Raider fronts, hmmm.
If there’s drugs involved, contract clauses could come into effect. Too quiet.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Jerry Mac…
Not to be critical but, J. Jones over at the competition pretty much wrote the same thing, YESTERDAY.
Nevertheless, keep them coming Jerry.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
909
yeah but JJ never gets any hits on his blog?? go figure
July 8th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Yeah the Walker story is not good but he would have to fail a drug test or get arrested to fall under the personel conduct policy I think. I don’t care what he does but he needs to think about the team watch where and what time he goes places, and who he hangs out with at least. He’s got plenty of money to hire protection.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Jerry, you said:
“The Raiders were roundly criticized in some quarters for bypassing USC quarterback Matt Leinart. I didn’t agree at the time, and still don’t. I’d take JaMarcus Russell over Leinart in heartbeat as the quarterback of the future.”
Can you explain why? It seems black quarterbacks have the stigma of not being able to reach the big one and are prone to rely on athleticism instead of decision making and check downs. I still think Leinart, while obviously less athletic than Russell, can be a great quarterback because he has seems to possess the qualities of a Tom Brady or Joe Montana.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
this guy… What about Doug Williams??
July 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Duh, because Russell is the most talented quarterback to come into the NFL since John Elway.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
KoolKell…
let those speculation go, no reason to make assumptions when we don’t know squat!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
NewBlack…
lainert is the next testerverde
July 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
hello raider nation
July 8th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
In fact when Russell and Quinn worked out for pro scouts Quinn insisted the work outs be seperated so they could not see how much better Russell would look against him.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
we have no choice but to have faith in Russell and Kiffin.. break out year for the RAIDERS.. I know I’ve been swimming in the Kool-Aid again
July 8th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
hey whats this news on walker
July 8th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I don’t care what happens to Leinert, he’s not a raider. I just hope to god, buddha, whoever that JaMarcus has the capacity to win.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Spawn
Walkers a tard and his face is still broken
July 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
408…
Could it be that, whole REGISTRATION nuisance at the BEE. hmmmm.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
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July 8th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Look at all us umemployed folk on here giving our opinion about million dollar athletes…Jerry, I need a job. I’m studying Journalism at a local community college to become a sports reporter.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
hmmm
didn’t give me much… well Hockey is way down on my list, but getting draft 10th overall, must be some kinda good sign =)
July 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Walker better do something cause i still think of that fool as a loser
July 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Huff is a solid player that is never out of position. He has been far from an impact player: which is expected if you are drafted in the topt en. Gibril Wilson will allow him to showcase his skills a little more, but Honestly he probably will never be a player the caliber of Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, or Troy Palamalu. He is on par with players like Darren Sharper, Madeu Williams, Gibril Wilson, Bethea from the colts, Ken hamlin, Deon Grant, Reggie Nelson, and definately Donte Whitner. Like Whitner, Huff was drafted in the top 10, so they have high expectations. Huff has gone toe to toe with the best TE’s in the NFL for the last two seasons and held his own. Whitner has went head up with Baker from the jets, David Martin, Justin Pelle, and Ben watson (solid player). Lets slow down on saying he is better than Huff.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
If you watched any of LSU’s games with Russell at the helm you can quickly notice similarities in thier offense and what Kiffin is running in Oakland.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I took the day off.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
One thing about huff is he’ll do way better then stewie at FS thats forsure.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Waggon… #57
Amen, to that.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Plamaking is overrated in the secondary. The ability to blanket a reciever in coverage is a far more valuable asset than anything else a defensive back can provide. Roy Williams makes big hits and occasionally picks off a pass but is consistently abused in coverage and is the weak link is his team’s secondary. Huff is an asset. He is put on an island in man coverage more than any safety in the NFL and shuts down every TE, RB, and WR he encounters. he is the best man-coverage saffety in the NFL and that can not be understated. To further grasp the impact he has had, one can compare the impact of Gates and Gonzalez before and since Huff’s arrival. With Hall opposite Nnamdi and Wilson opposite Huff, and Morrison and Howard roaming the middle, there is no safe place to go with the ball. Since Huff has been consistently effective in coverage many QBs have been reluctant to test such tight coverage. With less open windows available, with Stu now gone and Routt placed in the nickle, as well as Huff spending more time roaming the shallow middle in the intermediate FS zone, he will have more opportunities to make plays. But to be straight, it is not huff’s job to make plays, it is his job to cover recievers, a job at which he is the best of any safety in the NFL. INTs are a bonus. It is ridiculous to judge any individual player solely by a subjective and irrelevant stat line, especially at a position such at defensive back, where even the overrated metrics fall short of measuring an individual’s impact. Michael huff is a great safety, and the entire premise of this article is ridiculous. Anyway, need to right about something, right?
July 8th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
hello people….. whats goin down today????
July 8th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
ERRR…. *Wagon*……..oops.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
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July 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
huff….come on baby!!! this is your time to shine!!!…. u bigol pimp u!!!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Tommy,
Then to be fair, it’s not the Free Safety’s job to make plays in the running game. I don’t remember a lot of long bombs going over Stuarts head either.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Good point tommy T….With the addition of Deangelo hall, a playmaker….we all know that Thomas Howard flies around the field always around the ball…and Morrision has a knack for sneaking in and getting a int….. Huff will have a strong season…. There isn’t really any speed burners in are division anyway for him to get beat deep in the AFC west, which has always been a run first division, with the exception of the west coast offense.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Notice the above link I posted says the police say Walker was intoxicated, he may face some league punishment, hopefully not.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
i expect to see huff making the tackles in the open field that stewey would only grab a leg and get dragged until howard or morrison came to help..
July 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
i wanna why are we making a fuss about Huff i think this kid is good give him a chance now Walker on the other hand is a case.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Dick V…good post. All last year it was evident that the star tight ends who have KILLED us in the past were SHUT DOWN….mission accomplished by Huff.
We got burned last year because we couldn’t stop the run. Huff will never be a run-stuffer at 205 lbs. It is stupid to expect him to stuff the run. Yeah Bob Sanders does it, but nobody else at that size in the NFL does it consistently so why expect Huff to?
July 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I agree with you Tommy, but Jerry article is not the only time this conversation has come up. I have had to defend Huff many times talking football with friends and co workers. This blog/ article just really touches on what people are saying about Huff.
He was brought in to be a play maker. He reminds me a bit of Namdi. Namdi was always around the ball and was a sure tackler his first three seasons, but he never made any plays: not even one pick in his first three seasons. Huff is ahead of Namdi, but is in a different position obviously. He has to make plays. That being said, offenses have to throw at him or this defense for them to make plays.
I bet Huff in a bellicheck defense would be a Pro bowler. The different looks that New england gives and the way they disguise their coverages and roll the safeties is frustrating for every QB. Huff would probably be a big playmaker in that sort of defense, but that would also minimize what seems to be his greatest strength: man coverage.
Bottom line is Al and Ryan have been building this defense for a while, and it is time for the playmakers to make plays. The offense has to start scoring points to give the defense more oppertunities to make plays in the passing game as well.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
So the truth has come out and Walker has said he willingly got into the Range Rover. So was the first report a false interview or what?
July 8th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
As long as huff keeps tight ends from catching the big 3rd downs and red zone plays, occasionally makes open field tackles and doesnt get burned deep what more can you ask for? I would also like to see him blitz every now and then as he has a quick first step.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Huff looked fine covering tight ends last year but the deep middle? I will have to wait and see.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
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July 8th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
well huff’s going to have a lot of room to roam as both nhamdi and deangelo both play a solid bump and run.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
It will also be very important for, Wilson to be dishing out some PAIN, to anyone and everyone, he can.
Make those backs and receivers, hear them footsteps.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I think we are frustrated because of the way Al has drafted. He has given the premium to speed and play making ability. He is unconvetional in the approach with regard to how typical winning franchises build teams: inside out.
The Steelers, Chargers, Colts, Pats, Eagles, Green Bay, Cowboys( under parcells),titans, and Jaguars all seem to draft big guys first and foremost. These franchises are seemingly always in the mix: in recent years under their current regimes. They are physical at the point of attack, and they usually just whip the opponenets tail. The Raiders have loads of talent, but they lack in physical presence up front on both sides of the ball.
Tell me what team I mentioned or playoff team that you feel the Raiders OL or DL is better than.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
TT…
I agree wit your post#59. The same thing could be said about Nnamdi’s year last season, he didn’t get the Int, he had in ‘06 but, the fact was he was there, and QB didn’t dare to try him out, what was it 23 times during and entire season!?, if Huff could be the same thread in the back field as Nnamdi is on the flank, then he is a steal, still I think Donte Whither has done a far better job than Huff…
July 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
lst off the Raiders did have a great All Pro safety whom they signed and expected to get some fantastic play from. That guy was Eric Turner. Say what you will, but that bit of incredible bad luck set the franchise back right there. Yeah, I know, Davis should have known he was going to die prematurely before we signed him. May he RIP.
Strong Safety is arguably the toughest position after QB for a player to come into the league and learn. I completely agree with Trojans comments above, altho I think pix are absolutely essential to a defensive secondary. Mikes main responsiblity coming in was to shut down the opponents TE. He has done that and done that incredibly well.
The issue with Mikes game isn’t so much that he is playing out of position, (he is), the issue with Mikes game is that he is playing extremely tentatively. He is playing not to lose, not to give up the big play, instead of playing fluidly and confidently. As happens with a lot of 3rd year players, hopefully the light goes off for Mike and this year he becomes the player we all know he is.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Lombardi got us into a mess player wise and Kiffin has started fixing it in my opinion. It’s hard to run a team from a wheel chair.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Gruden put us in cap hell.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Back to being the trenches. The Raiders have all these play makers, but do not have the big boys to win week in and week out. The O-line under Cable/ Knapp, and Kiffin was vastly imrpoved, but Kwame at Lt and the whole RT still scares the hell out of me. Gallery, Cooper, and Grove, Wade, Morris whoever wins that battle will hold it down in the middle. but the pressure of the edges will still be hell for Jamarcus.
Burgess is great in pass rushing, but really bad against the run. Kelly is a ? to say the least. Sands is just lazy. Warren is decent but he was a bust 7 years ago, and just is a nice player to rotate in to the game. Richardson is a ?. Kalimba Edawrds crapped out in Detroit for millen and co. Trevor Scott is two years away from even seeing playing time before we can even call him a ?
July 8th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Oakglenn, yeah, I would agree with that. Those guys have to learn to read well, plus they are the last line of defense.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
You guys crack me up:
Shell drafted Huff,
Gruden put us in cap hell,
Lombardi messed up the drafts,
blah blah blah.
What a bunch of BS, nothing in the Raiders’ organization is done without the approval of Al Davis. Al Davis did all of those things, not those stooges.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
LMN why do you keep giving props to Whitner. He has one more INT than Huff. On top of that Huff has almost three times the number of deflected passes as Whitner. What gives with your man crush on Whitner. What am I missing? He has not made any plays either.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Good point La Milicia, supports the Hall siging that much more knowing teams could just throw when they needed to on the other side of Aso. Huff looked out of position to me last year but was good covering on pass plays for th emost part. he looks like an NFL FS, just big enough to lay out a WR and slender enough to run with them, lets hope so.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Rebel….#66
For what? being drunk & stupid. That doesn’t merit any league action.
So far, that is the only think Walker is guilty of. And most of us in here, have been drunk & stupid before also.
Granted, Walker’s situation is different, because of who he is. Otherwise the whole ordeal might not have even made the “blotter” secion in the local fish rap.
Vegas doesn’t like bad pub.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Al might have approved the moves but that don’t make him the one that made the decision from a scouting perspective.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
when are we going to sign ASO
July 8th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Excessive drinking in public might get him into trouble. Hopefully not.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Dickie V, i agree with what you’re saying about the trenches, although without warren sapp who was light for a DT and not as expolosive as his younger years, are run defense should improve, although sands is lazy he’s still a presense and holds his position well, although he doesnt expode off the ball on every play say like a glen dorsey would, as he seems to take plays off. We are light on the corners yet thats ok as burgess is hell to deal with off the corner and usually requires help from a rb. No we don’t have a stud on the DL as the likes of, Seymour, Demarcus Ware, Burnett, Stroud, Strahan, OC, Merryman, those guys are probowlers, and are hard to comeby. As long as Mr. Ryan can get them fired up and in position, are D-Line should be fine, with the help of the linebackers and safteys to plug holes. We are another DLineman away from a top 5 D in my opinion.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Al might have approved the moves but that don’t make him the one that made the decision from a scouting perspective.
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Lol
July 8th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Dick V…
Regarding Whitner over Huff..
Simply because of his upper strength, the way he plays and how he hits…
But we’ll see in week 3
July 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
LMN,
There are plenty of minor league hockey teams in the US and Canada. Try searching for the AHL, which has several minor league hockey teams in it.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I give credit to Davis for signing off on Kiffin’s decisions the last two years. They knew last year was going to be a washout anyway after a 2-14 crusade. The rebuilding under “kid” Kiffin has begun.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Dakota I agree. Al has made this mess. Refer to posts 77 and 82. It is like the draft is one big crap shoot with each player being a pontetial HOF. al should look at his buddy Parcells style of drafting. Granted Al has had more success than Parcells overall, but not for some 25 years now. it is time to start re thinking the way he does things.
I liked the draft Parcells had this year with Miami: Long, Phillip Merling, Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy, and Chad Henne. Parcells went to work in his first draft and got a solid LT, a starting RG( in the 4th), two solid 5 technique DE’s for his tried and true 3-4 defense
On top of that he brought in Anthony Fasono at solid inline blocking TE, and Fergueson a solid undersized nt from Dallas. the man just beefs up his teams to make them more physical at the point of attack. He will have Miami competitive by 09 because he draftes with a plan.
He doesn’t have two shut down corners, a play maing RB, a safety that can cover any player, a franchise QB with all world potential, but he has started to lay the building blocks for a solid football team that if he does get a chance to acquire a play maker or two, will be a competitive team in the near future.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Gruden put us in cap hell.
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So very true, and we’ll first be out of that mess next year…. just in time =)
Gruden was all about old and expensive players…. he still is when you look towards florida
July 8th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Yeah and that very thing he learned from Davis its sad to say. But Davis has changed and Gruden has not.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Dream Superbowl, Oakland vs Tampa 2008, Garcia throws 5 interceptions, three to Huff as Raiders roll 44-14.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I’m not going to say these stats are the end all of facts involving huff, and stats are only facts in the loosest sense of the word, as they are overly subjected in the way they are attributed and interpretted but these numbers are a nice “snap shot” of the impact huff has had within the division alone. As the SS in our defense, it has been Michael huff’s primary responsibility to cover the TE, the slot reciever in a big nickle, and occasionally the RB out of the backfield. Gates and Gonzalez are both HOFers and have been the two best TEs in the NFL the majority of their careers. When comparing the two seasons prior to Huff’s arrival to the two seasons since huff’s arrival, these are the stats I came up with. The combined totals of Gates and Gonzalez dropped significantly. Their receptions dropped by 33%, their yards dropped by 20%, and their TD numbers dropped by 66%. Those are pretty significant totals. You can’t judge a defensive back by stats, and certainly not by INTs. If that was the criteria, many people would consider Cromartie a great CB, oh wait, many people do………. Of course, many people are stupid and/or ignorant. And it is those types of people who do not recognize Huff as a very good safety/
July 8th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Lets all get over jon gruden already, he’s like dat ex-gf that left yah wanting more.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
good stats tommy t
July 8th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
But we get to beat Gruden again this year, he’s already on the radar.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Stats don’t mean sh*t. Jeff George could put up stats. If you have a player leading the league in any category, it doesn’t mean anything unless the W’s are there too.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
ABA…
he got drafted by phoenix as 8th overall, but I guess the new season hasn’t begun yet, so thats why there isn’t much news about him… all i get is from his year in CHL in ‘07… I guess we’ll hear more in the fall, I assume thats when the season starts… woaw 8th not 10th as i wrote earlier… Mikkel Boedker is his name… Or Bødker for real…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Say what you want about Gruden but if Al keeps him for the 2002 season we win the SB…period.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
That brings us back to Tim Brown again if you want to talk about wins vs stats lol.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Rebel….#90
Walker, was drinking in nightclubs, casinos etc. Excessively, yes. Still that does not merit any league action, other than to tell the players “don’t let this happen to you.” Cause the next guy might just get a ride to the Coroner, instead of the ER.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
That is true but as I remember he decided to leave. Al should have paid him more but Gruden knew what he was walking away from. It would have been smarter to dump the traitor on Notre Dame.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Stat’s are not overly significant, and they should not be used to formulate opnions but they are useful in facilitating them.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
what is impressive is when you go to the Raider image stors and see all the Jersey’s of potential playmakers side by side: Russell, McFadden, D hall, Namdi, Burgess, Huff. Players like Morrison, Howard, wilson, Zach miller, Javon Walker, Ronald Curry, Justin Fargas all have the ability to make plays. The Raiders have a lot of talent, but not enough up front.
They need beef up front. A solid LT, NT, 3T, or a stud RE would have helped this team out more in my opinion. I do not dislike the signings of Javon Walker, trade for D hall or the draft pick of D Mac, because they are all home run hitters, but Al should have sacrificed one of those play makers for a stud up front somewhere.
Thats not Al style because he wants to win now, and he feels play makers will make you competitive right now. To me its sort of like trading tommorow for today. Patience is a good thing, and the Raiders roster is an example of what happens when you have a decision maker who does not have patience and wants to win now.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Tommy T,
Where have you been? The way you disappeared after the draft I was beginning to think you were just a Raider plant placed in here to drum up support for the McFadden pick.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Kelly, and Kwame Harris are average players with some talent that has not been tapped, but they are far from being studs.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
If Davis wanted to win now Kiffin would already be gone. He is letting him build this team with young players because thats what Kiffin wants to do. It couldn’t be more obvious than it is.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
That is true but as I remember he decided to leave. Al should have paid him more but Gruden knew what he was walking away from. It would have been smarter to dump the traitor on Notre Dame.
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Al should have kept him for the final year of his contract and then let him walk away…instead we get a couple of picks that Al blew and a couple mil to line Al’s pocket and no SB victory. How embarrassing.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
What happens if Wilson gets hurt? Huff at SS again, and Hiram at FS? Out of his four years, Wilson has only played in 16 games once, and isn’t any bigger than Huff is. Think he switched around from FS and SS for the Giants because his body probably wouldn’t hold-up as a SS for 16 games.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Harris is a good run blocker and thats where it all begins.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
LMN,
The Coyotes have 2 minor league teams. The San Antonio Rampage (of the AHL) and the Arizona Sundogs (of the CHL). Both teams are comparable to minor league baseball. The season starts in the middle to latter part of October.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Dakota…
yeah hindsight is a bliss =)
July 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Davis got several picks and 8 million. Kiffin is reeping the rewards now. BTW it was such a shrewd move the NFL banned trading coaches, go figure.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
And Kiffin would not have opened up the offense like Callahan did and we would have lost to Tennessee anyway.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Gruden not Kiffin.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I’ve been busy. This is the time of year where I have to do a lot of work. During the season, I usually get a chance to relax a little more and leading up to the draft I have a lot more free time as that is typically the dead period for NFL offices unless you work in personnel, which, much to my chagrin, I still don’t. Hopefully, eventually………
July 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Let’s face it. We got srewed big time in the Gruden to Tampa debacle (we, as in the fans). Al protected Al and the team has been in decline since. Pretty sad day when Raider fan was thinking not of the Superbowl at the beginning of the seasion, but rather was wondering when we would break the winless on the road streak in the division.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
WTF??? “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Hey, MODERATOR. That post had NOTHING in it worthy of “moderation.” what so ever.
With all the crap, that is spewed daily here, you picked that post to look twice at.
Moderator, if you were working for me, I would fire you azz right on the spot. Total BS.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Tennessee physically beat up Oakland, thats why they lost the Superbowl, a bunch of beat up old vets. I remember Fisher saying the Raiders would know they played the Titans that night because they were going to be physical win or loose and that is exactly what happened.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
How is Kiffin reaping the rewards of Nap Harris and P. Buchanon?
Anyhow, I am done with the past for now; I am starting to get depressed!
Our future is bright as long as Al can keep his cool. Let Kiffin grow into a head coach, draft some o-line and d-line next year in the middle rounds instead of track stars (should have taken RED BRYANT!), lock Cable up with a long-term extension, as well as Nnamdi and we will be set for years.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Rebel…
most of those picks have been released… or traded…
Nnamdi is the only one left, and that was our own pick
July 8th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Yeah but 40 million over the cap with old players takes years to straighten out.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
909…
take a breath… its jsut because you have written one of the many names in the filter…
just rephrase it use 1, 3 and z instead of other letters…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Dakota,
I promise you that I will make sure that Al’s bedpan is in pristine condition and regularly emptied. I’ll also even apply the fix-o-dent to his dentures every morning. And make sure he has his Depends.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Plus they would have went into the season with a lame duck coach, it would have never worked.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Quinten Moses
Mario Henderson
Robert Gallery
Jake Grove
Tyler Brayton
Matt Stinchcomb
Mo Collins
Leon Bender
Darrell Russell
Paul McQuiston
High pick trench players……..
July 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
For you super hard core fans who spend the night outside the parking lot gates prior to gameday, overnight parking just became prohibited for this year (just announced).
Early line-up will begin at 5:00 a.m.
I’m not sure how or if this impacts the gate opening time, which has traditionally been 5 hours before kickoff.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Dakota…
yeah hindsight is a bliss =)
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Guilty as charged, one count of MMQBacking.
Sentence: No Guitar Hero III tonight.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
D.J.’s, bands, and other amplified noise is also now prohibited.
I guess we’ll have to get back to the AFC Championship when we had a suprise free concert by Metallica before we get our amplified noise back.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
rebel…
still you must admit, kiffin reaps nothing, the cap problem got solved under Turner, Shell and Kiffin, and we not out of the woods yet…
All picks received form the Gruden deal has been let go, or traded…. and 8M peanuts…
I’m with Dakota, let gruden stay the one year, and let him go with a title, and then burn out somewhere else…
but the question is, would we have been in a far worse downfall with Gruden handling the reigns one more year??
July 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Shanahan was a bigger mistake than Gruden for Davis.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
The mess Gruden created casued most of the loosing and now Kiffin gets the players because of the high draft picks. I bet Gruden would cream in his jeans to get Russell, let alone McFadden.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Shanahan was a bigger mistake than Gruden for Davis.
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LMFAO
July 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
jesus effing Chirst… 5 HOURS BEFORE KICK OFF??? and the freaking game lasts for ~4…. Jebus, i would fall to pieces with boredom…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Dang this is a great problem to have, should i get the thomas howard, deangelo hall, or mcfadden jersey?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
jesus effing Chirst… 5 HOURS BEFORE KICK OFF??? and the freaking game lasts for ~4…. Jebus, i would fall to pieces with boredom…
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but you watch soccer!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
At least Davisis willing to roll the dice and spend the money, we could be like the Vikings or Cardinals.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
la milcia negra dats why you tail gate haha 2 beers a hour by the time you get in dere 10 beers in yah and 3 plates of food your sober haha ready for round 2
July 8th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
not if you bring in tv’s with a direct tv satellite hookup with NFL ticket to watch the 10:00 a.m. games.
5 hours goes by quick.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
ahhh.. of course…
its a very astute of Al, it was his plan all along, to be the laughing stock for years, then load up with great players in the draft due to poor play, but the poor play was the entire Idea so we could lock up more players in the draft with early picks - and then hire a caoch who gets all these diamonds in the rough… Great Idea Al, thanks a bunch, but it would ahve great if you informed Us fans at hand, so we owuldn’t have wasted the last 5 years on your clever rebuilding project…
ahhhh - sorry just had to get it out, now that we were ripping up old wounds…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Bedpan….#131
HAHAHAHA!! Good one there. Needed a good laugh, after having the MOD trying to eff w/ me.
thanx, bro.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
What’s the haps Nation?!
I have a serious feeling this will be the year Huff shows the NFL why he was chosen #7 overall. The Raiders’ mistake was putting him at strong instead of free safety, but then again who were we going to put at strong,, Stewart Schweigert? Huff wasnt bad at the strong but he was out of position. He’s a solid tackler but not a smash-mouth hitter. He’s more of a coverage ball hawk and thats what a free safety is which means he’s now at the position he should’ve been when he was drafted in the first place. Huff being at Strong Safety is like Darren Mcfadden playing fullback. Yeah he’s in the backfield but he wouldnt produce the expected results because he’s not at his natural position which is halfback. Now that Huff is where he belongs, we should see the results we’ve been hoping for when we chose Mike over Matt. YA KNOW?!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
McFaddenwagoner…
you should get a Morrison jersey… He is the Main Raider in my book =)
July 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Go root for another team La Milicia if you hate Al so much. Why hang around if you are so sure it will be a bad outcome? You guys kill me with this Davis pulls the strings from his walker myth.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
you forgot about Eric turner R.I.P
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
At least Davisis willing to roll the dice and spend the money, we could be like the Vikings or Cardinals.
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True!
The problem is that Davis drew us all in by setting such high standards of winning in the 70s and early 80s, but he has been unable to sustain it, and now he is the victim of his own success. We expect more, and demand more from the Raiders than other fans expect or demand from their teams. Davis did this to himself, and some of us were lucky enough to see the good times, others, like myself, are young enough that we have only experienced the last 25 years of bad to mediocre football.
I can certainly understand the loyalty many of us have to Al Davis. I certainly respect him, he has done more for the NFL than perhaps any other person, but his time has passed.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
909,
Those were actually my 2008 New Year’s resolutions. When I showed then to my wife she told me that I’d probably be institutionalized. She didn’t understand that insanity and instability was a prerequisite to be a member of Raider Nation!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
MR get banned or something?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
ahhh.. of course…
its a very astute of Al, it was his plan all along, to be the laughing stock for years, then load up with great players in the draft due to poor play, but the poor play was the entire Idea so we could lock up more players in the draft with early picks - and then hire a caoch who gets all these diamonds in the rough… Great Idea Al, thanks a bunch, but it would ahve great if you informed Us fans at hand, so we owuldn’t have wasted the last 5 years on your clever rebuilding project…
ahhhh - sorry just had to get it out, now that we were ripping up old wounds…
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You crack me up dude! That is some funny sh!t!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Johnny Rebel…
have I anywhere posted that I hate Al?
if its anybody here who is a raider hater, its you, you have been bitching about Al this and Al that, Tim was so bad and Al listen too much to him, and what not, so don’t come her e and talk about size of fandom…
Right?!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Dakota…
thanks =)
July 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Al doesn’t pull the strings from his walker?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/nucleus/media/21/20070830-vicoldyeller.jpg
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Think outside the box you two and you might learn something.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
At least Davisis willing to roll the dice and spend the money, we could be like the Vikings or Cardinals.
In the immortal words of Cinncinatti Bunghole President Mike Brown upon being asked about his 9th straight dismal season, Mike replied, “I couldn’t be happier. We keep turning a profit.”
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Im convinced that alot of you eat your own waste.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Al is guilty of who he surrounds himself with, that much is obvious.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Kind of like Walker wouldn’t you say?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
MR get banned or something?
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I don’t think so, he should have been for over a year ago, and its not like he has changed suddenly…
No the reason why MR isn’t here yet is because he gets up around 3 pm, so its about 15 min till he contaminate the site…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
You mean the lackeys he intentionally surrounds himself with?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“Why hang around if you are so sure it will be a bad outcome? You guys kill me with this Davis pulls the strings from his walker myth”
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Rebel,
Point of fact is that we aren’t sure of any outcome. We are all passionate fans. As far as I am concerned a football team is like any other business. The responsiblity lies in the hands of the guy who runs the business. In this case it is Al.
I have been a Raider fan since seeing my first Raider game in 1972. I’ve seen the good and the bad. Just because I think Al has done some stupid things pately doesn’t mean I’m not a fan.
We all here are hoping for a successful season this year. I really want to beat the chefs twice this year so I can rub my wife’s nose in it (she being a diehard chefs fan). That’s passion when you want your team to rip the guts out of your wife’s team! We all have passion but some of us put the blame where it belongs. Al has that same plaque (figuratively) on his desk as Harry Truman: The Buck Stops Here.l
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Al makes bad hires and they screw up the team, its nothing new. He gets it right every once in a while and I think Kiffin will produce this year.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Al Davis is a victim of his surroundings?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Does Al Davis have a son who can take over? like in the goddfather or sumtin.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Some of you guys break me up. Teams have down cycles. All teams do. Look at the Boston Celtics, Tampa Bay Devil RAys, who were the great football team of the 1990’s???? Yep, Dallas, Buffalo and San Francisco. Where have they been lately??? Dallas hasn’t won a playoff game in 13 years.
We all want to win. Winners go about doing what it takes to win. Losers whine and bitch about not winning.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Think outside the box you two and you might learn something.
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Go back to your Madden game…
most of you arguments lack logic, and those who has logic lacks facts…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
KoolKell you reworded what I posted lol.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
On a serious not…I see the raiders goin 4-2 in the division this year…very possibly 5-1 if we can pull a close one or 2 out..
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Fans are not allowed to complain about losing?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
MR get banned or something?
What’s that expression, speak of the devil and he will appear?? something like that. Be thankful Debartolo Raider, er, MR, er loser raider is not here.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Down cycles? Losing since 1989 perhaps qualifies?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
At least Davisis willing to roll the dice and spend the money, we could be like the Vikings or Cardinals.
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reminds me of one of the best quotes ever…
Ozzy, looking back on his years, with all his shakes and stuff ” Maaan, it could be worse, I could be Sting, mann” Classic stuff =)
July 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I have been complaining about loosing all day but I don’t place blame into a fictional story about Davis zooming in and out of everything going on, making decisions from his walker via maybe a teleporter or walkie talkie. He makes the hires and then they procede to win or loose. The buck does stop there but he owns the team so prey he got it right this time around with Kiffin.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
“But the jury is still out regarding Huff. For two years he has been a solid cover safety in a division where Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez reside, not to mention a Denver team that loves bootlegs and throwing to the tight end.”
Jerry, before you say this you say “Other than a temporary oasis provided by Rod Woodson in his last great year as a Hall of Fame player, the safety positions have been a wasteland since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.”
Why if you are analyzing a position do you throw out one of the most meaningful points - because it does it agree your theme.
Personally based the observation mine and yours that Huff has been a consistently good performer in coverage from game one, he is well worth a #7 choice in a division where the TEs by themselves can be the difference in a win or lose situation.
It is typical of fans who overvalue the big hit or interception but fail to fairly value consistent coverage and limiting options of the opposing QB.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Most of you guys weren’t even born when the Raiders dominated, sheesh.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
KoolKell…
and?? you’re point is?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
At least Lofton has thrived in the NFL as a player and coach if Kiffins fails.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
It goes back to what you said earlier LMN. All these young guys know is losing Raider football, yet they regurgitate as if they were there in the heyday.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
76-83 is a short window but thats the real dynasty in Oakland.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Regurgitate all the Al Davis lore.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Raiders sent us season ticket holders an email today. Tix coming next week!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
F’ck Lofton and the horse he rode in on! he is hell of an assistant but HC material is he not, then we’ll be back to the bugle-white kinda stuff…
its Kiffin or Die…. this will be it!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
No Johhny,
The dynasty started in 1966 10-4 67 13-1 68 12-2 69 12-2 70 13-1 etc until 1985.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell…
true…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
LMN,
Seeing as how death is so final, I think I’ll stick with Kiffin.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Dynasty includes winning a Championship in a short span the last I looked, not to be smart.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Multiple Championships, my bad.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
The Immaculate Reception was in the 1972 AFC Championship game
July 8th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I saw Randy Moss at Safeway. That’s what I’m talking about. You whipper snappers don’t know nothing.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
ABA…
Hahaha, yeah Me too =)
July 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Did I really say the immaculate reception was in the AFC championship game? Shows you how full of it I am! It was a divisional playoff game. What do you expect from an old fool?
July 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
In that case you are correct J Rebel.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Troll,
Pittsburg is not nor never has been a division rival, young troll fool.
Face me like a man.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
So was the Sea of Hands.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Now the Lidel fumble kept them from back to back Championships. The week before agianst the Colts was one of the greatest games I ever seen until that one. I was heart broken.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Bedpan…#154
Insanity?, Instability?. Prerequisites!
I’m In!
Hook, line & sinker. And ain’t it great, to be a Raider fan.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
The AFC road to the Super Bowl went through Oakland from 1967-1984. Every F’n Year.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Hopefully this year we talk about the game where McFadden breaks a 97 yard run from scrimmage with under 2 minutes to play and the game where Russell completely takes over and dominates for the first time, or the game where our Run D shows up and stuffs LT and holds him to 42 yards.
All are dreams, but they are dreams I hope for every year. Just that lately they have stayed dreams and never became reality.
I know this year will be different (and yes, I say that every year).
July 8th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I’m a Raider junkie and have no intention of breaking the habit.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
It isn’t called ‘divisional playoff’ because the teams are from the same division, you idiot. Look it up. You’re just an old blowhard.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
LT could have played on that bum knee in the playoffs last year just like Rivers did and the rest of the team knows it. Trouble could be looming for them with all the off the field issues and injury problems. I’m not sold on them out right winning the west this year.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
All those times Stu had to run up and tackle a TE coming underneath of 3rd and long, who do you think was suppose to be covering the guy?
TT - Gates and Gonzalez have both seen their production fall off against ALL TEAMS the last two years. Hardly going to give Huff credit because the guys are getting old and playing injured. All those TE under screens Denver ran? Huff.
Huff needs to improve dramaticly to be worthy a #1 pick. The ther question is if Ryan will put Huff 20 yards off ala Stu. If he does, there will be no more big plays than last year.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
ABA…
if Mcfadden runs a 97′er its in the left side, with both Gallery and Harris…
Left side will be the strong run side, whereas it was right side last year!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
What?
Face me like a man. Idiot. If you had any confidence you’d use your own name.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
And you’re a jealous young punk wannabeme.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
i was 5 when the Raiders last won the Sb. i was about 18 when darrell russell, mo collins, and stinchcomb were drafted KK. why you try to fatten your list with those players. the raiders have 9 spots in the trenches and have maybe one solid player from the draft at only one position: gallery at lg and everyone agrees he was a bust as the no. 2 overall pick. either way you slice it to win these days you need to draft early to get good trench players. the raiders are preoccupied with track players and play makers not trenches
July 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
LMN,
I totally agree with the left side being the side to run behind. pass blocking another story….will have to see how Harris pans out. I just hope we don’t need blocking help on every passing down like last year. We need more options for Russell on known passing downs.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I’m a buffoon.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Gotta go, Later Nation!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
You sure are.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Kiffin will compensate for the lack of pass blocking with the moving pocket that has been used at USC for years now, just like McNair used and now Young. Fisher brought it with him to Tennessee.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I saw Jack Tatum at Toys R Us one time. I drooled on his hush puppies.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
So what?
July 8th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
But Dick V they got two prodigy players not just one and they happen to be a QB and RB. Can’t blame them there when so many teams do fine not drafting lineman high in the draft.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
harris and gallery will be very good aginst the run in the zone blocking scheme. they will struggle to protect JR blind side. he will have to get the ball out fast which all but kills the deep threat.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Kiffin will compensate for the lack of pass blocking with the moving pocket that has been used at USC for years now, just like McNair used and now Young. Fisher brought it with him to Tennessee.
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Sounds like the “Floating Pocket” Hank Stram used to protect Len Dawson in K.C.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
what is ‘hush puppies’??
July 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
There’s an oldtimer!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Didnt Mike White have us at a 8-2 start then we lose 6 straight to end the year, that was horrible I still dont know what tha hell happened
July 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
johnny reb i like russell and mcfadden, but tyvon branch, jlh, trading away the 2nd for d hall… trading up for a project like henderson, drafting a situational pass rusher like mosses then cutting him. i like mcquistain but cable and kiffin don’t
July 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Ultraswede loafers, LMN
July 8th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
# dick v Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
harris and gallery will be very good aginst the run in the zone blocking scheme. they will struggle to protect JR blind side. he will have to get the ball out fast which all but kills the deep threat.
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LOL, I rather keep Harris and Gallery on Offense, I know we not strung in run defense, but to shift those two over on D wouldn’t be a great idea….
sorry, couldn’t help myself =)
July 8th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
at some point you have to adress the trenches if you want to win
July 8th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
KollKell, ahhhhhh I had a completely other picture in my mind, I think I’ll keep that to myself =)
July 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dakota,
Cubs get Rich Harden from the A’s.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
did they really trade harden?
July 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Newblack - how the hell could you compare Matt Leinart to brady or manning? He has never done nothing…In fact, he may not even be able to beat out the ancient Warner this year… I for one am very thankful we did not take him. Huff will be solidthis season in his new spot… He is much faster than Stu ever was…
July 8th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Troll,
You were right it was a divisional game
July 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Trade just announced on EPSN.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Rich Harden, I have heard of him, is he any good??? I hate trading with the A’s, they always get the better end of the deal.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
BTW, what ever happened to to Sean Salsbury? did BSPN finally wise up and send him packing? Didn’t I hear that he got caught showing a female BSPN employee a picture of his johnson?
I hate BSPN. Especially Chris Berman. He looks like Fred Flinstone…
July 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Link to trade:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902
July 8th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
He’s great but injury prone. Power Pitcher
July 8th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Good. the A’s trade their best young arm. Maybe we won’t to contend wth the cursed infield too long this season. NO MORE INFIELD!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Dick V…
post 228… was just a joke, because you wrote Harris and Gallery, is great ‘against’ the run… I hope they will be good FOR the run…
well, I just get a bit silly here at night =)
July 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
GOOOO CUBS!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Rich Harden is absolutely fantastic. has a history of injury problems but that now seems to be behind him. They better have gotten the Deed to Wrigley field for Rich Harden
July 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Nooo not baseball talk…. please talk basket =)
July 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
The A’s have a helluva farm system. They supply the league with young talent.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
ExLA…
There is a article, in my local fish rap’s sports sec.
That says, McCourt vetoed a trade w/ Cleveland for C.C. Says he didn’t want to pony up the $$ to sign him long term.
McCourt, denies that. Saying, “The players didn’t match up.”
No wonder, the Dodgers suck.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
What about Chad Gaudin…is he a starter???
July 8th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
At least the Cubs did’t pay $122 mil like the Giants did for dead arm Zito!!
July 8th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Huff will be a pimp at free safety…just wait and see. Hall and Asomugha on the outside and Wilson at the Strong should allow Huff to make some plays on mistake throws on a regular basis. To me, Huff has been a solid player on a bad defense. With the extra talent, we should see more from him or I’ll be some other name with the #24. No worries.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Yeah…and who are the Cubs again? They only have a million pitchers who are hurt all the time.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
LMN….
Baseball, Apple Pie & Chevrolet. My friend.
Beats, talking about “Kickball”. LOL.
RAIDERS are always #1 in my book.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
W’s lost Michael Pietrus:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3478921
July 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
By the way…San Diego was an awesome city. I know they’re the enemy and everything but I love the area way better than the Bay Area. I think I’m going to definately move there in a year. I just have to persuade my girl. Of course…I may have to throw down an ultimatum.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Holy Crow we gave up Harden and Guadin for basically one underachieving top prospect, and a couple of real scrubs. you’ve got to be kidding.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
909…
LOL that list is just sad, but I guess Apple Pie is something =)
July 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
damn we better have got some good for hardin…..but yeah we got another young stud pitcher suppose to come up in august.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The Warriors are screwed. They are going to suck forever.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
909raiderlifer
What a great deal for Milwaukee. When they can’t resign C.C. because they can’t afford him, they get 2 first round draft choices to add to the 3 that they already will have next year.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
damn all east bay teams on the decline raiders on the rise.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
2 hours and my day is finally over… why did i forget my ’speed up time’-gizmo at home :/
July 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Gallagher and Patterson have potential. Murton is a red-headed whimp. Never heard of Donaldson.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
The A’s are retarded. They develop a bunch of players and when they become good, they ship them away. Real smart. Develop players for other teams. Sounds like the Warriors.
Personally, I’m a S.F. Giants fan. We’re stacked with talented pitchers in Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez and Lowry (hurt). Zito is FINALLY starting to pull his head out of his @$$. We’ll see.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
LMN - Think I can borrow that gizmo thing ya got? haha.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
You know what’s more boring than baseball = Talking about it.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Oh…can’t forget Brian Wilson (closer). Finally a reliable closer.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Maybe if some of you guys quit commenting on a blog and go out and watch the A’s they will make some money and keep some of the players…vicious cycle I guess.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Talking about nothing is more boring than talking about baseball. At least its sports. This is dead air Raider time.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Dakota - Why watch the A’s when they will just trade away the best players? Its better to sit on a blog than to waste your money isn’t it?
July 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
What has Billy Beane, been smoking up there??
Isn’t the “Harvest.” still a couple months down the road??
July 8th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
The Cubbies are smoking a cigarette after fing the A’s, they gave up sh*t.
Chicago also received Gaudin, who was 5-3 win a 3.59 ERA in 26 games — including six starts. Last season, he was a starter all season and went 11-13 with a 4.42 ERA.
To land the pair, the Cubs had to part with Murton, a former top prospect who has yet to live up to his billing. In his fourth season, Murton has shuttled between Triple-A Iowa and Chicago. He’s hitting .250 in 40 at-bats.
They also traded the right-handed Gallagher, who is 3-4 with a 4.45 ERA in 12 games, including 10 starts, in his second season.
Patterson, the brother of Corey Patterson, was sent to the minors on July 3, the fourth time this year he’s been sent down. An outfielder who can also play second base, Patterson was hitting .237 with a homer and seven RBIs in 38 at-bats with the big league club.
Donaldson, a catcher for Single A Peoria, was hitting .217 with six homers
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,lol
July 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Huff24
I live in San Diego, It is beautiful and the best place I ever lived. (this is going to piss some people off but can you see it THE SAN DIEGO RAIDERS! I only would want this to purchase season tickets) All I need is my team closer. Than I could die happy.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Huff24…
Lol yeah it could be great…. swush, bang, september =)
July 8th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Huff24 Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Dakota - Why watch the A’s when they will just trade away the best players? Its better to sit on a blog than to waste your money isn’t it?
______________________________________________________
Well, I guess so, but if you never go and the A’s never make money aren’t they just going to keep trading their good players? Or are the A’s one of those greedy teams that is making plenty of money from revenue sharing and simply will not spend money?
July 8th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
All McCourt cares about is making the VIP types comfy.
And long as 3mil + keep coming out & he’s making $$.
Dodgers blow.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
this is exactly my point when it comes to Al Davis. The example I use to everyone here in Oakland is what has Lew Wolf the new owner of the Oakland A’s done for their 40+ year customers here in Oakland???? Name one thing, ONE THING, that Wolf has done for his loyal fan base. When he got the team, they were four games away from playing in a World Series. What has this guy done for his customers????
July 8th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
909raiderlifer
When I woke up this morning, Joe Torre had the Dodgers tied for 1st with the Diamondbacks even though they are injured throughou the starting roster.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Dakota - The A’s make plenty of money to run a franchise and if they don’t…they will probably move to some other city in order to do so and I’m not talking about Fremont. (Maybe they want the team to suck so they can have an excuse to leave.) I just think the owner hasn’t pulled his head out of his @$$ and makes poor decisions. As far as greed goes…I think everyone has a little bit of that.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
2nd arrest made in beating of NFL’s Javon Walker
Las Vegas police have made a second arrest in the beating and robbery of NFL wide receiver Javon Walker.
Deshawn Thomas, 40, was arrested Monday night and is facing charges of kidnapping, robbery, and conspiracy to commit robbery with substantial bodily harm.
On June 24, police arrested 30-year-old Arfat Fadel on similar charges in the crime.
Walker, who plays for the Oakland Raiders, was found beaten and unconscious June 16 lying in the street on Koval Lane behind the east side of the Strip.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Huff24
Rumor is that Lew Wolf wants to beat the Maloof Brothers to Las Vegas with the 1st major league franchise.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Maybe we can all chip in and buy the Steelers, move them to L.A. and call them the Raiders Deuce or the Deuce Raiders or Raiders Dos or something? Then we won’t have to worry about whether theres the Oakland Raiders and the L.A. Raiders anymore and we’ll also have a better chance at watching either Raiders team make it to the Playoffs and beyond?
PFT.com
STEELERS BEING SHOPPED
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 7, 2008, 6:10 p.m. EDT
There may be no NFL team more closely associated with the family that owns it than the Pittsburgh Steelers are with the Rooney family. Art Rooney founded the franchise in 1933, and he and his sons have run the team ever since.
But after 75 years, that could be coming to an end.
John R. Wilke of the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Dan Rooney confirmed today that the franchise has been secretly shopped to potential buyers.
But Dan Rooney also released a statement saying, “I have spent my entire life devoted to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the National Football League. I will do everything possible to work out a solution to ensure my father’s legacy of keeping the Steelers in the Rooney family and in Pittsburgh for at least another 75 years.”
According to Wilke, the effort to keep the Steelers in the Rooney family and in Pittsburgh has involved Dan Rooney and his son, Art Rooney II, arranging a financing plan to buy Dan’s brothers’ shares.
Some younger members of the family, however, have asked whether they might get a better deal by selling to someone outside the family. It seems unthinkable that someone not named Rooney could own the Steelers. Then again, it once seemed unthinkable that someone not named Brown could own the Browns.
(Update: As multiple readers have now reminded me, it was never unthinkable that someone not named Brown could own the Browns. Please disregard the last sentence.)
July 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder - Interesting. Makes sense considering that Oakland players get beat up in Las Vegas these days. Imagine all the future beatings.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Here’s a pic of the second guy arrested. I have no idea how to make this a hyperlink.
http://www.southernledger.com/ap/149335/2nd_man_held_in_Javon_Walker_case_in_Las_Vegas
July 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Rooney need to shop the Steelers so he can establish a market price so he can buy out the rest of the family.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Whatever happened to just handing down the family business? Sheesh.
Son…You can have my car but you must pay $10K for it if you really want it. I know you’re 10 years old but if you really want it..you will make it happen. Be a man.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
I’m out for awhile. Peace.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Rooney is going to give the franchise to his son, but he has brothers and sisters with minor shares that want to cash out due to their conflict of interest with gambling at their Horse and Dog Racetracks. Slot machines ownership is not permitted in the NFL.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
El Dirty…#283.
2nd. dude, was the “brains” behind this caper. IMO.
Has 1st. dude use his ride, knowing full well, about security cams. and all.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
909
Maybe… I’m really interested to see if there was drugs in Javon’s system. If there was maybe we would have a clause set in the contract to cut him and recoup money lost.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
ExLA…#277.
Good point there, Torre is definitely earning his paycheck. My point is, that McCourt doesn’t really have the fans best interests at heart.
Best owner in baseball by far, (sorry A’s fans.) is Arte Moreno of the Angels. One of the first things he did when he took over was to LOWER the price of BEER and other concessions.
Went to their game last tues. vs. A’s (sorry again), still only $6.50 for a 12oz. cup and only $7.50 for a 16oz. bottle of your favorite domestic ice COLD beer.
Imported beer is higher of course.
Rumor has it, that McCourt is ripping the fans for $12.00 for a 16.oz domestic brew, Although I do not know that for a fact, but that wouldn’t surprise me.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
wouldnt this be great if the saints trade colston for Jordan
July 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Rumor not true. Dodger Dogs are $6. and Beer is $8.00.
Still a lot of money.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
thas better than oaklands
July 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
909 that is exactly right. And what the A’s say is what Moreno has done in LA is exactly what the A’s want to do here. Except: the A’s organization RAISED the prices of EVERYTHING, (which weren’t cheap before), they’ve gutted the team, sold the fan favorite players, threatened to move to Fremont, threatened to move anywhere, bellyached, Publicly insulted their long standing customers, and now lastly wonder out loud why no one (including me) any longer attends games. You would think someone with a billion dollars (and that’s billion with a b), could not be that freaking stupid. And you guys think Al Davis is bad.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Oakglenn,
The A’s put competitive teams on the field year in and year out. Al Davis does not.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
The A’s are a model franchise. The Raiders are a laughingstock. Big difference.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Cultist: Well Al tries every year to win, he really wants to win.
Rational Fan: Well he aint doing it. hasn’t done it in 25 years, let’s do something else.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Cultist: You home me real fan.
End of discussion>
July 8th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Cultist: You homo, me real fan.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
On the trade of Harden, I live in Iowa and have seen the players play for the AAA affiliate here. Gallagher is a real good pitching prospect. Murton is RF or LF and was forced of the parent club when Soriano was signed. He should hit around .280-.285 with 15-20 homer power. Patterson can play CF and 2B. Has above average speed and has shown patience at the plate. Think Mark Ellis with more speed and less power. Donaldson is a C propsect that the Cub don’t need with Soto around
July 8th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Oakglenn…
Also, Moreno has done everything right, IMO to make it FUN for the fans, to come out to a game.
From, always having a competitive team, keeping ticket prices somewhat reasonable along with concessions and encouraging fans to bring the kids along.
Little varmits are everywhere, and that is a good thing.
ExLA…. Must be $12.00 for an imported beer.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
No comment huh? maybe you use another moniker, mines perhaps?
July 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
KK I’m talking strictly about the ownership of the teams here and Davis has owned the Raiders for 40+ years, Wolf and his group have owned the A’s for a little over 2 years. In that 2 years, they’ve taken a team 4 games away from a run at a world championship and gutted it. They raised prices, and then bitched. Last year the team did a little worse, this year the team surprised everyone, they are 5 games out of first and they just shipped out more of their best players. That doesn’t send a winning message to either the players or the fans. Wolf and his group have bought the A’s as a means to make other investments. They are trying to leverage the asset to benefit themselves. Can’t really say Davis is exactly the same way.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Well, all this talk of ice COLD beer, has caused me to take action and ice some down. And they are now fit for consumption. I can hear them calling me over, to rescue them from their frigid plight.
Take care, all
JUST
WIN
BABY!!
July 8th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
909 I am sure that’s right and good for Artie and the LA A-hole fans. (Sorry I had to get that in.) Moreno did things right. Here in Oakland all we hear about is the stadium sucks, the fans won’t come out, we have a good team but no one supports us, what is wrong with these fans, etc, etc…. The truth is they have NOT made it fun for the fans, they have made it expensive for the fans, they have sent the best players out, they have told the fans of Oakland they are not interested in staying here, they have told the fans of Oakland basically you’re not welcome and you’re wasting your time, so no one is showing up.
Now 909, and maybe you can clarify this for me, but the Big A is what 30 years old??? People don’t care about the ball park. They care that the experience is fun, it’s reasonably priced, and the team is a decent team. When the A’s had quality teams under the Haas family we drew 2.9mm fans. And that’s with the Giants drawing about the same. So I don’t want to hear that the A’s cannot draw or it’s all about the stadium. Make the experience a good experience, show commitment to the fans, and they will show up in droves. That is exactly what Moreno did.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
what did I miss?? I hate it when the slave drivers make me miss out on my RAIDER fix
July 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
“Wolf and his group have bought the A’s as a means to make other investments.”
I don’t know that, do you?
All I know is they put winning teams on the field every year. They’ve always been on a tight budget, and they develop players.
They’ve won 5 World Series here.
Low attendance or not they did not pack up and move to LA.
They have not sued the City or County.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
The A’s are just a tease now every year.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I just watched the top 10 cornerback tandems in NFL history on the NFL Network and they have Willie Brown & Skip Thomas rated at #8 ( which I thought should have been higher)and Lester Hayes & Mike Haynes as #1 tandem of ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Of course they were #1 thats why they changed the trading rules after that season.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Moreno has one of the highest payrolls in MLB and some of the most recognized players in the game.
The A’s are “Threatening” to move all the way to Fremont, oh my god!
I’m out.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I think history will repeat itself and D-Hall and Nhamdi will be just as good as Hayes and Haynes
July 8th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
“Wolf and his group have bought the A’s as a means to make other investments.”
I don’t know that, do you?
Yes I do. Of course they are. Their deal with Fremont includes a “Baseball Village” with shopping centers, condos, and other real estate development which is the hallmark of Wolf and his group. A lot like what DeBartolo was trying to do with the PhonyWhiners before felony convictions felled him.
All I know is they put winning teams on the field every year. They’ve always been on a tight budget, and they develop players.
They’ve won 5 World Series here.
Low attendance or not they did not pack up and move to LA.
Actually, Wolf and his group have nothing to do with the great Oakland teams of the past and last year they barely eeked out a winning record if at all. That was really his first year as owner and he was lucky to get near .500 after the year before his team got to the ALCS.
They have not sued the City or County.
Actually the City of Oakland was the ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN THE NATION that had law suits involving all their sports teams. At one point a couple of years ago the city of Oakland had suits with The Raiders, the Warriors and the A’s all happening at the same time. What does that tell ya????
July 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Now I like our corners don’t get me wrong, but the 2ndary is only as good as the pass rush.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
What lawsuit, A’s vs Oakland???
“Their deal with Fremont includes a “Baseball Village” with shopping centers, condos, and other real estate development which is the hallmark of Wolf and his group”.
Touche
July 8th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Huff will have a nice year.
He hasn’t made big plays or been a standout, he’s been good in coverage. He’s not a liability, but he hasn’t been the playmaker the Raiders expected when they picked him at No. 7.
Hopefully he’ll play fast and loose and have a breakout season.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
It’s still a “prove it to me” season for the Raiders. Not just Huff, but the whole team. The last 6 off-seasons have been nothing but hyping the team; time to live up to the hype, or shut up.
The last 3 seasons we’ve heard, “We have the team to win now!” And the same song and dance coming into this season. PROVE IT!
My concerns (from priority to less priority):
Stopping the run on defense
Pass protection
Wide Receivers
Defensive Pass Rush
Scoring Offensive TD’s
Turn-overs
Special Teams
Janikowski Field Goal Attempts
We have not improved in these areas in the offseason, but we expect different results? The case is out on “Scoring Offensive TD’s” due to Fargas, Bush, and McFadden; but the only one with experience is Fargas. It’s time to put up or shut up for me. I will always root for the Raiders (don’t get me wrong), but I’ve had my fill of Kool-Aid.
If we fail to have a “winning” season this year, I think Al needs to evaluate his “Commitment to Excellence” to the organization. In his words, “JUST WIN, BABY!”
July 8th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
One thing to remember about Mr. Davis is, not only is he smarter than the rest of us, he’s a better human being, as well. He has something called integrity.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Al Davis is a egomaniac Old man, douchebag troll.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
NFL Insider (ESPN) has the Raiders ranked 11th in running.
“Even though the Raiders finished the 2007 season with the 25th-ranked offense, they had the No. 6 run offense although they were often playing from behind. In terms of overall talent, the Raiders are deep at the position despite the fact they are eventually expected to release veteran RB LaMont Jordan. It all starts with Justin Fargas, who is entering his sixth year and more then doubled his career output when he ran for 1,009 yards last season. Next is Michael Bush, whom the Raiders drafted in the fourth round in 2007. Bush missed his senior season at Louisville with a leg injury, but had he been healthy would have likely been the second RB taken in his draft class, and he’s supposed to be back at full strength this year. Take that group and add rookie Darren McFadden, who is the most electrifying player from the 2008 draft class, and the Raiders may very well have the deepest backfield in the NFL.”
July 8th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Just stopping in to say hello
What is up Nation?! Training camp is right around the corner…
July 8th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
I haven’t been so excited about a football season since Hewritt Dixon was running the old pigskin and the Mad Bomber was flinging it. Mr. Davis still has it. He’s right on the money.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Shut up, troll! Jerry, come on man. Do something. I mean, I like Al Davis, and I think he’s going to get us turned around, but not that much!
July 8th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Yep right it is that the secondary is as good as its pass rush and we need a RDE badly. If richardson is the guy we are in trouble. Garbage ass Burgess is one dimensional but can rush the passer. Either Kalimba edwards or Trevor Scott have to be the guy on the right side. I’m pulling for the rookie.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
What lawsuit, A’s vs Oakland???
Exactly. As I said, the City of Oakland was the only municipality on earth that had lawsuits going against all their sports teams. The Warriors and Raiders won, the A’s settled and are allowed out of their lease basically on a moments notice. As I said before if everyone and their 95 year old grandma is suing you, what does that say about you?
July 8th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
The mess Gruden created casued most of the loosing and now Kiffin gets the players because of the high draft picks. I bet Gruden would cream in his jeans to get Russell, let alone McFadden.
……
You’d think if Gruden wanted a qb like Russell he’d draft a bomb thrower as opposed to the scrambling, short throwers he’s drafted and/or acquired. So, I’m betting Gruden’s not “creaming his pants” for Russell.
The mess Gruden created, btw, got us to our first Super Bowl since 1984.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Everyone forgets what a great game Mike Huff had in the National Championship Game versus USC. On more than one occasion he absolutely lit up Lendale White who is NOT a small back. This guy can hit, this guy can tackle. This guy can cover. He had a GREAT game in the national championship which was over shadowed by Vince Youngs last drive. As I said above, right now he is playing waaaaay too tentatively to be effective in the NFL. Hopefully it will all come together in his third year like it did with Nnamdi.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Warriors reach verbal agreement with Maggette.
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3479117
July 8th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the game of football would absolutley LOVE to have Jamarcus Russell as their QB. As I have written on this blog a billion times, this kid just ooozes athletic ability,
Right Now Gruden has 5 or 6 QB’s on the roster including my guy Josh Johnson. There is an old expression in the NFL. If you have 3 or 4 QB’s on your roster, that really means you don’t have any.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Huff24 Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
The A’s are retarded. They develop a bunch of players and when they become good, they ship them away. Real smart. Develop players for other teams. Sounds like the Warriors.
……
They don’t have the money. That’s been the story with the A’s for the past decade. If the A’s had a Boston type payroll they would be so good that MLB would impose an NFL style cap just to keep them from winning the world series every year. The A’s are the class pro sports franchise of Oakland right now. They’re a breath of fresh air from the football team that’s stinking up the city year after year, thanks to a senile, clueless owner.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Oakglenn, I’m sure there’s an expression for an owner going 19-61 over 5 years, too. Gruden’s never gone 19-61 in 5 years…
July 8th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Actually MR you’re right there is an expression, let me see if I can remember it…an expression where you take a world championship team that another coach and personnel guy built, the very next year you have a losing season, and then basically you run that championship calibre team into the ground in five short years.
What’s that expression where you have three losing seasons and one winning season before everyone in the town is ready to run you outta town on a rail? You are ready to forever be run outta the league But then miraculously you have one more winning season and get to the playoffs and salvage your job, only to fold in the playoffs at home faster than Superman on laudry day!!! You only had a winning record because the other teams in your division Atlanta, New Orleans and Carolina fall off the edge of the earth. So in reality, Your team didn’t really win at all, it’s just every other team in the division lost. What’s the expression I’m think of??? Oh right Hey MR is how does my ass taste??
July 8th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
# Eric Farrell Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’m blaming NORF on all the offensive picks in 2004
…….
I’m blaming the guy who hired “NORF”.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I don’t know. One of the recognized “geniuses” of the league A.J. Smith hired him to coach a 14-2 team in San Diego.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Oakglenn,
Tampa Bay won their division last year. Dungy has been gone since ‘02. How you got to the logic that Gruden has “ran that team into the ground” is beyond me.
Gruden’s not as good as the press thought back when he was here, but he’s proven one thing, he doesn’t stay down for more than a season or two. We can’t say the same about Mr. Davis, can we?
Oh, and, again, don’t know how your ass tastes. I’ve only seen it, on the count of you showing it in here day after day.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I don’t know. One of the recognized “geniuses” of the league A.J. Smith hired him to coach a 14-2 team in San Diego.
…..
I’ve never bought into AJ Smith being a genius. IMO, SD’s personnel has Marty written all over it.
I think Smith hired Norv for the same reason Davis did, he’s easy to control.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Tampa Bay won their division last year. Oakland has won their division three times in the last 8. No other division in the NFC South had a winning record last year. Let’s see what happens in the AFC West this year.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Oakland has won their division three times in the last 8.
…..
…Thanks to Gruden.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
“Let’s see what happens…”
……..
A white flag, if there ever was one.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
No. Gruden took at world championship team and has had three losing seasons out of five. Read that carefully and then think about that. Gruden didn’t take a losing team and turn it into a winning team. Gruden didn’t take a marginal team and turn it into a championship team. Gruden took a World Championship team and then couldn’t even produce winning seasons half the time. And if every other team in his division didn’t completly fall apart at the seams, he would have taken a World Championship team and had one winning season and four losing seasons. As it turned out last year he was 9-7. Barley a winning season against division foes in complete dissaray.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
MR Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
“Let’s see what happens…”
……..
A white flag, if there ever was one.
No. wrong again. I’ve never met anyone who can be completely covered in shi* and say they won an argument the way MR does. Denial is endemic with this guy.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
If you want to lionize a guy who has run a world championship franchise into the ground in a couple of years, go for it. Most of us see differently.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
later
July 8th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Okay, I’ll admit it.
YOUR ASS TASTES FANTACTIC.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Oakglenn, What are you wearing?
July 8th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Oakglenn……RE:#305
The big Effin “A” is, 41yrs. old now. Opened in ‘67.
The “L.A.” Angels, had some down years after ” Mickey Mouse”. bought the team, from “The Cowboy.”
All is GOOD now, since Moreno took over.
NO disrespect to the A’s & their fans.
After all, I am stuck in SO-CAL, for now. And the big effin “A” is 20mi. or 20 to 90mins. from my little castle, in the 909.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
MR….
How ya doin??
Last time we chatted, 24hrs. ago +or-. You got personal w/ me. And Invited me to perform felli&&o on you.
Sorry, to disapoint ‘ol chap.
The facts are, sad but true. I AM A LESBIAN trapped in a MAN’S body.
I eat SNATCH. and enjoy it TOO!!
July 8th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
MR you Gruden loving rump ranger I am sick of hearing about it.
He is no better than Mark McQuire, Miguel Tejada, and Jason Jiambi, etc, they all left the Bay Area for the big paycheck.
Gruden checked out when they were courting him for the Notre Dame job, he was so egocentric that he lost sight of his team and we lost 4 of our last 5 games and had to travel to New England in the snow and lose in the Brady “Tuck Rule” game (it was a fumble by the way).
If Gruden would have kept focus on the team and got distracted by being one of the 50 best looking persons(see People Magazine) we would have won those games and not had to travel to the snow game.
I hate Gruden for that and always will.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
909raiderlifer
“I eat SNATCH. and enjoy it TOO!!’
I couldn’t have said it any better myself!!
July 9th, 2008 at 12:11 am
666…..
Hey dude, what up??
Back, when I was single, B4 I hooked W/ my ‘ol lady (who btw. puts up w/ my Raider “sickness”)
The old saying that I coined, is still true. ” I am A lesbian, trapped in a mans body, I eat snatch and like it too.”
That, will get you laid or your azz kicked. I guarantee………LO effen L.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:21 am
909raiderlifer
LOL
July 9th, 2008 at 12:34 am
SilverNblack666…….
Take care now, ya hear??
I, had best shut it down now & mix in some sleepie time.
Crap to do, and azzes to kick…..Oh schmeeet, it is TODAY already……yikes.
PEACE,OUT.
” I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A RAIDER.”—— Jim Otto.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
“Gruden didn’t take a marginal team and turn it into a championship team.”
…..
Well, he did take a cellar dwelling Raider team and turn it into a division champion, and eventually an AFC champion, even if in absentia.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Oakglenn, “we’ll see” is weak in internet debate. BTW, “white towel” was the phrase I was looking for, not white flag. I’m tired. Some of us worked today.
Resting on the prospect of “we’ll see what happens” is certainly a white towel. It means you’ve got nothing else to bring to the table. It means you know good and well that recent NFL history absolutely proves that Jon Gruden understands the modern day NFL more than Al Davis. It basically means that you’re out of gas.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Oakglenn Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
“If you want to lionize a guy”
……
Anyone’s better to lionize than someone who’s 19-61 in the most recent 5 years. Again, Gruden has never gone 19-61. He never will. Gruden has never gone more than 2 seasons under the .500 mark. We can not say the same for Mr. Davis. I understand good and well what Davis has accomplished years ago, but in recent history he hasn’t accomplished much of anything, at least not without Gruden.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Gruden has never gone more than 2 CONSECUTIVE seasons under the .500 mark, I meant to say. Oakglenn’s out of gas as far as empirical data goes, and is now pretty much limited to pointing out typos, so I’d better watch it.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:23 am
# SilverNblack666 Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
“He (Gruden) is no better than Mark McQuire, Miguel Tejada, and Jason Jiambi, etc, they all left the Bay Area for the big paycheck.”
…..
One of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen from a Davis homer, and I’ve seen some dumb ones.
The A’s were cash strapped in those instances. Davis had the money to pay Gruden. It was Davis who offered Gruden an extension after the ‘00 season as opposed to a new contract. For all intents and purposes, that is a pink slip. Gruden was basically canned after the ‘00 season. He knew it. Everyone knew it. He had no choice but to shop around for a job. Don’t blame Gruden for being distracted late in ‘01. Blame the guy who gave him no choice. Do the same in regards to Kiffin this year, because Davis is back to his same stupid games again.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:32 am
909raiderlifer Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
“I AM A LESBIAN trapped in a MAN’S body.”
……
More like, you’re a wannabe athlete trapped in a geek’s body.
And, I seriously doubt you’ve ever eaten, or have done much of anything, for that matter, with any “snatch” that wasn’t connected to a woman who’s ass you had to kiss to the point of degradation before you even saw her with her clothes off.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:38 am
another sleepless night Morning NATION!!!!!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:59 am
Hey 408
July 9th, 2008 at 5:36 am
Haha, one thing is for sure MR, Davis is a better person than you any day of the year. Put away your Davis voodoo doll because it won’t do you any good.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:38 am
Gruden was shopping for higher a higher paying coaching job in his first year as Raiders coach, more b.s. from MR. How old is this guy 10?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Gruden 39-41 in 5 seasons with Tampa, looks like he misses Davis to me. Soft division and still no winning record.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:45 am
137 Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
D.J.’s, bands, and other amplified noise is also now prohibited.
I guess we’ll have to get back to the AFC Championship when we had a suprise free concert by Metallica before we get our amplified noise back.
………………
WTF so the dude with the turntables,the van and his framed posters isnt gonna be able to get his jam on any more thats BS freakin next there gonna ban bulletproof vests handguns and beer unfreaking believeable
July 9th, 2008 at 5:49 am
morning LMN I was catching up on my reading I missed alot after the TIM BROWN thing yesterday.. Johnny R its all good now dude you were just bashing on my guy and I got a lil angry no worries tho…. 1 NATION…
July 9th, 2008 at 6:02 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
jesus effing Chirst… 5 HOURS BEFORE KICK OFF??? and the freaking game lasts for ~4…. Jebus, i would fall to pieces with boredom…
oh i doubt that veary much unless a giant party with beautiful women (an ugly 1’s) where the foods great and the liquor flows bores you.. dude you get there set up ur tailgate watch the morning game drink beer take a shot drink more beer go give the parking guy a plate of food for letting us thru with our disabled persons card drink more beer go inside drink more beer and yell till ur voice is gone oh yeah….
July 9th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Finally someone who agrees that passing on Leinart wasn’t a mistake. GO RAIDERS!!
July 9th, 2008 at 6:05 am
I am just glad Gruden and Allen have 3 more years to finish ruining Tampa’s roster with over the hill vets and poor drat choices, sound familiar?
July 9th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Warner will beat out Leinart again this year if they don’t give a free pass to start to Leinart.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Heres a post from a Tampa fan on the Bucs Beat: “To all you “Gruden lovers”.. The Bucs played a last place schedule in the worst division in football this past season.. Why sitting your entire team for 2 weeks and then getting your azz handed to you in the first round of the playoffs didn’t get you fired is unbelievable to me. Lets see how well the Bucs do net season with a first place schedule. If I remember right they went 4-12 the last time that happened.”
Can’t wait for the Raiders to beat them at the end of the season to throw a little iceing on the cake.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:14 am
ERIC TURNER — REST IN PEACE
NEVER FORGOTTEN
July 9th, 2008 at 6:16 am
ATL…
believe me, a lot of Cards fans thinks that too, now… the difference is, we had that feeling before the draft
as I wrote earlier, Leinert is the new testeverde…
July 9th, 2008 at 6:31 am
Seems to me Bucs fans are starting to hate Gruden, here’s more fuel to the fire.
From Tampa Bay Sports Fanatic:Its Time The Bucs Part Ways With Gruden:”Thanks for the Superbowl Jon, but don’t let the door hit you on the way out. These are the words I hope coach Gruden hear very soon from the Glazers. Gruden has now coached as many years with the Bucs,6, as Tony Dungy did. Gruden has the Superbowl title, but has 6 less regular season wins, and only one more playoff win than Dungy. If you take away the Superbowl season Jon Gruden
a regular season record of 36-44 and is 0-2 in the playoffs. There are 10 coaches who have coached continuosly the last 6 years
July 9th, 2008 at 6:32 am
“and only one has a worse record than Gruden.”
July 9th, 2008 at 6:50 am
“I will admit that when the Bucs decided it was time for Tony Dungy to go that I felt it was the right move.
He had gotten us as far as it seemed he could and refused to make the necessary changes to his staff the Glazers wanted. Things seem to have almost come full circle now for the Bucs, except that they are worse off. Gruden has a worse record than Dungy did, the team is in worse shape than when Dungy was fired, and Gruden refuses to make the necessary to fix the problem. The difference with Dungy and Gruden is the changes needed to be made by Dungy were about the X’s and O’s of the game, while Gruden needs to change everything but the X’s and O’s. Gruden is a great offensive mind, there is no doubt about it, but he is not a good head coach.
Since Gruden took over the reigns in 2002 there have been 9 other coaches who have coached the entire time as head coach. Of the nine other coaches in the last 6 years only one, Herm Edwards, has a worse record than Gruden.”
July 9th, 2008 at 6:52 am
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUBS!
July 9th, 2008 at 6:53 am
I guess the Glazers are responsible and not Gruden. MR is sounding more and more like a disgruntled Tampa fan to me with his Gruden man crush lol.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:04 am
“Since the Superbowl season the Bucs have gotten worse and Gruden shows no signs of being able to get this team back on track. The three playoff wins by Gruden all came in the Superbowl year and he has not advanced since. The team that lost the playoff game today against the Giants did not loose because they lacked talent. They lost because they played uninspired football and had a bad game plan; those things are on the coach.”
Sound familiar? You bet it does.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Good morning nation! Good post jerry you sure know how to get us talking. I really don’t understand why you riding huff because its not fair for a few reasons: 1 huff played out of position, to have him at ss and expect him to play in the box and take on them big guys, all he’s gonna do is get swallowed up like he did and 2. The defense was on the field like 90% of the time I mean come on, the offense didn’t help much last year punting and not finishing drives. The defense was tired and worn out for being out there so much but this year will be different being that the offense will be better and huff can play his position so he can have moe of a chance to make plays
July 9th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Gruden w/o Al is doodley squat.
Callahan w/o Trestman is the same.
Just win baby.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Drinkraiderade,
Last year, surprisingly, the Raiders averaged almost 2.5 minutes more time of possession than our opponents. The D was poor regardless.
But you are correct, Huff was no SS. He is really sized like our other CBs.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:34 am
I just hope Huff does not bite on pump fakes this year or we will see a lot of bombs completed over the deep middle.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Good point Reb. FS is basically the only zone position in our secondary, so Huff will get more flexibility to make plays…or get burnt. I hope our solid CBs will cover for his inevitable growing pains.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Marshall just eeps inching closer to be suspended for the start of the season.
http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/Brandon.Marshall.citation.2.766606.html
July 9th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Good point bo, with our dbs I don’t see that happening with huff to be honest I don’t remember the last time nnamdi got beat for the long ball I don’t know about hall, haven’t watched him closely
July 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Aso got beat over the top for a toucdown this year I just can’t remember who it was agaisnt.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Rebel…
funny how my memory has neglected to store that one =)
I bet it was because one of the safeties, didn’t keep their assignments…
July 9th, 2008 at 8:33 am
No he got turned around and just got beat one on one.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:40 am
okay, well got to admit can’t remember
July 9th, 2008 at 8:41 am
I bet Nnamdi remembers, I bet he has watched that play over and over again….
July 9th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Lol I simply don’t recall that………are you sure it wasn’t routt that got burned cause hime and washing ton we liabilities
July 9th, 2008 at 8:48 am
“hime and washing ton we liabilities?” Man, get your butt back to school.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:50 am
KoolKell
LOL, I was thinking that, but knew I couldn’t say it =)
July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 am
FYI…
if any here has a latent interest in the ‘Tour’ I would take a look at tomorrows stage… they are going to the ‘Massif Centrale’ not the big climbs but constant ups and downs… a day in hell =)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Kookell kool aide whatever your name is shut the hell up dude I know how to spell its a bit difficult to type on a cell phone and drive at the same time so get a grip you understood what I meant so I made my point
July 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am
DrinkRaiderAide…
well, then drive into the side, and text. talking and texting on a phone while driving, is jest as bad as drink and driving….
July 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Sure, you made your point, but just looked dumb and uncouth while doing so, that’s all. Kids nowdays! When I was your age, boy, I was working three jobs and respecting my elders.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am
just as bad….even =)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Dont even bother with FOOLKELL, nobody likes her anyway.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am
True enough la milicia im gonna kill myself and others out here
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Jerry failed to mention the late great Eric Turner RIP.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am
DrinkRaiderAide…
I hope not… but as long your attention isn’t on the road, you might…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am
RaiderAide -
Dude, don’t sweat FoolKell, nobody likes her. She is in here just to stir up trouble and act like a keyboard cowboy. Just blow her off and ignore her like the rest of us do.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:26 am
AND, La Milicia isn’t even an American. She lives in Zimbabwe or something like that.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:28 am
The best off season move by far without question was the dumping of the worst football player in NFL history. Ms. Lil Stui bi*ch Schweigert. Too bad we don’t play the foreskins this year cuz I would love to see Michael Bush and Dmac run over her sorry as*.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Raider4life -
True, releasing Stuey was a good move, however, I would include Jerry Pouter, and LaLame Jordache as good lost baggage as well.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Raider4Life…
what do you mean? why should he mention him in this piece? he died in 2000
July 9th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Looked dumb……………hmmm I thought a person who was considered dumb was one who couldn’t speak, I don’t know I guess that’s why they call what we say on this blog mere opinions, for one im not your boy secondly you don’t know me from adam and lastly you assume im a kid but if your as old as your making yourself out to be I would think wisdom would come in and allow you not to judge people by the content of their grammar so I don’t take offense im here to talk raider football so good day koolkell
July 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
RAIDERAIDE,
BRO, don’t waste your time with FoolKell, we have all been there with her. She just likes to stir up crap. You are her latest victim. JUST IGNORE HER LIKE THE REST OF US DO. Easy enough dawg.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:33 am
MBTLA…
excuse me, but isn’t it you who tries to stir things up? hiding like a coward, if you used your regular nick, we might respect your views, but hiding like the mouse you are, why should anybody here even listen to you, even if your point were valid?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:33 am
You guys are goin down! Al still owes me money!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Settle down, now, young fella. All I ever said was that writing stuff like “hime and washing ton we liabilities” makes a person come off as dumb. And it does. If you don’t like it, tough. Get mad at me all you want — it’s like bugs on my windshield.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:34 am
LMN,
STFU sweetheart. Isn’t football in your small area of the world a round black and white ball? SOCCER SUCKS honey. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:35 am
He mentioned every other safety since coming back to Oakland. Eric Turner was a hellava lot better then Dorsett, Pope or Lil bi*ch Stui.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:35 am
lol… you dont take offense…. it seems to me that exactly what you did =)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am
FoolKell is like that one night stand where you took a bullet for your friend and bagged the fat ugly girl. That is FoolKell, the fat ugly girl. She just keeps coming back as if she has anything important or worth while to say. And, as if anyone cares what she says.
Sheesh, some peoples kids…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Raider4Life…
well okay, i just misinterpreted you RIP, as you thought he just died within a week… But you’re right, he should have been mentioned…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Gottcha bro yeah your right though I can’t wait to get rid of jordan we got sucked in, at least I did by watching him with the jets he would come in after curtis martin would do the dirty work………he was never able to handle the load so dump him and make way for mb and dmac
July 9th, 2008 at 9:40 am
LMN,
Do you even know who Eric Turner is honey? How can you misinterpret what he was saying? As an American who actually understands football we completely understood what he was saying. RIP #29.
Raider4Life The REAL #30 Stacey Toran, was also one helluva safety!!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am
WOMEN ON THIS BLOG IS LIKE A WOMAN ON A PIRATE SHIP!! ITS BAD LUCK. I VOTE NOW TO BOOT ALL WOMANE OFF THIS BLOG, STARTING WITH FOOLKELL AND LA MILICIA NEGRA!
WHOS WITH ME?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am
LMN–He also didn’t mention Johnnie Harris who was probably better than all the others, but who cares now.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:42 am
of course I know who he is, he is one of the highest picked DB’s in the draft, and he went to the pro bowl in 84, with 8 or 9 interceptions..
July 9th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Boot the sexist idiots instead.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Raider4life - He didn’t mention Albert Lewis either.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
yup all WOMANE out, what ever that is..
July 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Move–Stacey Toran was an awesome safety 1985-88 out of Notre Dame. Would have gone down as the hardest hitter since Akinson and Tatum.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
LMN - 84? are you talking about Toran or Turner?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am
probowl in 94 even, whooops
July 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
happy fingers =)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Albert Lewis was a corner who moved to safety at the end of his career. Was more interested in the Raiderettes than hitting receivers.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Ahh, so you aren’t perfect either eh LMN? Call out typos but type your own, now thats classic…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:47 am
What a bogus nick - MoveBackToLA. Anyone smart enough to leave LA (one such as myself) knows better than to ever move back.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I just hope gabril turns out to be what we hope because its been a while since we had a safety that could put fear in the hearts of wrs
July 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Anyone notice who the NFL network voted as the top cornerback tandems ever??? Hayes and Haynes #1. Also had Willie Brown and Skip “Dr. Death” Thomas at #8.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Ok Schembechler… as if Oakhole is any better.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am
hahaha…#398 and #428 i corrected my typos, but “hime and washing ton we liabilities?” is not a typo, either its a series of typos, or its really bad english… as I said I wouldn’t point it out since my english isn’t tht great, but at least its waaaay better than that lousy sentence
July 9th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Stacy Toran died down the street from me in Marina del Rey on Glencoe. Needless one-car accident…missed the curve in his beemer and no seat belt on.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:51 am
LMN -
Is this friggin English class? STFU and quit correcting people, you are like a b!tch a$$ teacher.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Drink–Wilson might turn out to be a good pick up, but don’t forget what kind of pass rush the Giants had. Made his job a lot easier.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:53 am
MB2LA…
show me where I corrected people? who is it he who stirs things up? coward hiding behind that bogus name…pathectic
July 9th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I admit,I correct people here, when they can’t spell players of coaches names correctly…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:55 am
You maybe right lmn but we aren’t turning in our thesis to be graded either
July 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am
LMN -
What about people who post a playing year 10 years ago for a certain player? Calling the kettle black aren’t we?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:57 am
LMN wrote:
“can’t spell players of coaches names correctly…”
—————————-
What does “players of coaches names” mean? That is strange.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am
what? now you just don’t make any sense…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Huh? Maybe not for you drink, but this IS my thesis.
PhD in Anthropology with an emphasis on pirate behavior.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am
sowwy…. that should be or…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am
LMN -
Don’t try and be the blog nanny. You will only get called out.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Lol!!!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2008 at 10:06 am
LMN,
I’m disappointed in you. I was hoping YOU could tell me from the troll who’s been impersonating me who you’ve been joking with all morning. Oh well, I’m out. Carry on.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 am
LOL! LMN is the blog barnepige (etymology? looks like barn-pig).
Consider yourself called out, barnepige.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 am
MB2LA…
I don’t get your point, I haven’t said any where I don’t make mistakes, of course I do, you called me out, asking me if I knew about Eric Turner, of course I did, mad a typo, wrote 84 in stead of 94… he wasn’t drafted until 91, so a pretty honest mistake…
I tried to correct my own typos…
again show me where I have corrected others, its only names of players and coaches i’m correcting…
but again, “hime and washing ton we liabilities?” is really bad… even as you said, I’m not even american, English isn’t even my first language, and you start calling out people because they commented on such a bad line… and you argument was they were just stirring things up, look at you self buddy, you are the one stirring things up here…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:09 am
KK, some of us could tell. Any Safeway or “hole-in-the-fence” stories?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Bo…
true, and a pathetic one… I think its MR’s littlesister
Dang its hard to respond with the lag here…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Den sorte hær = barnepige.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:13 am
MB2LA…
I’ll go for now, its supper time, but I really don’t get your point.. I haven’t corrected anybody, besides names. To me it seems like you tries to point out something, but lost direction due to your eagerness….
July 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am
MB2LA…
I’ll go for now, its supper time, but I really don’t get your point.. I haven’t corrected anybody, besides names. To me it seems like you tries to point out something, but lost direction due to your eagerness….
see ya guys
July 9th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Anyone in the Bay Area ever listen to KNBR? They hate the raiders and think the Niners are the best team in the area by far. Ralph B. especially hates Al davis and has really laid into him as of late. He said the team won’t win until Al takes a long dirt nap… Moron… Boycott KNBR!!!
July 9th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Anyone heard if Nnamdi has signed yet. I know they put the franchise tag on him, but he didn’t show at mini-camp. If both he and DeAngelo Hall play up to their capabilities they could be the best corner tandem this season.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:22 am
How easily the media forgets Eric Turner. As for this opinion, it matters very little since Al Davis calls the shots, not you. I’d rather have Huff Defending Passes and preventing long touchdowns than have him ball hawking and giving up big plays because of mistakes made.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I think that Huff’s year is going to depend on how often Wilson stays in the box and how good Hall covers his receiver. We know we don’t have to worry about the guy Aso covers.
Will Wilson be manning up on any TEs? Will Routt be comfortable covering the slot receiver? IMO, Routt seems to be more comfortable covering an outside receiver.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Raider4life you are absolutely right…..its gonna be a totally different ballgame we don’t have the kind of pass rush the giants do I hope we could be above average in that area so I hope we don’t get exposed
July 9th, 2008 at 10:27 am
No–I listen to KNBR all during the work in my office. All are a bunch of homer jackasses. Gary Radnich, Ralph Barbeiri, Murph and Mac. They all hate on the Raiders and Al. They will once in a while have an interview with a Raider or someone in the organization and as soon as they are gone they start bashing them. Then they all bi*ch about how hard it is to get any Raiders to come on with them. Only guy who gives the Raiders props is Tony Bruno and he is only on for half an hour. Radnich especially is an idiot who trys to act like he is a brotha with his hip-hop knowledge. Dude is 57 yo and talking bout Keyshia Cole yesterday calling her Keyshia Coles. I email the dude constantly bashing his sorry old white as*.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Drink–Back in the day when we had Haynes and Hayes who could easily cover man to man we had two decent, but not great safeties in Mike Davis and Vann McElroy. If Nnamdi and DeAngelo can be like H&H then WIlson and Mike Huff will only need to be good to get the job done. Routt is a good nickel guy so I think we will be ok.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:35 am
We don’t have the kind of pass rush the giants do? Yes, we do. Ours is actually better, if the twin idiots Ryan and Al ‘Idiot Boy’ Davis would pull their heads out, that is. Slim chance of that, though. Pathetic.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I guess we will have to see……..I am big on jay rich I think he will improve greatly, good size and I like his strength for a de he kinda reminds me of a young bobby hamilton
July 9th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Thanks Bo.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Having two solid corners who hopefully won’t need help I’d like to see Ryan get extremely agressive and blitz like crazy. Ryan needs to take some style from his brother in Baltimore.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Kiffin has fixed the problems Allen and Lombardi created, no more old loud mouth players like your boy Sapp, MR. Your Davis myths are old as the players Gruden coached.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:56 am
That’s what im talking bout R4L ryan needs a “scheme” disguise coverage roll safeties move lbs we gotta be confusing to frustrate opposing qbs
July 9th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Kiffin’s doing what he can but when you’ve got a senile owner, a puppet defensive coordinator and stupid fans, what do you expect?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Get off the bus MR and stand by all your predictions. We got a promising team to get behind this season, no matter what anyone speculates about Davis. Go root for Tampa and we will see you later in the year for a second azz kicking in a row. The Raiders are about to start winning a lot and there is nothing you can whine about that will change a thing.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Ryan will run the Al Davis Defense or be fired, period.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Yo! your favorite nanny is back!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
He is not looking senile anymore, looks like he hired the wrong guys over the last 5 years to anyone with a brain. Now the rest of the NFL is scrambling to sign players because Davis scooped up some of the best one out there fast.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I think Huff has made a decent effort in two years does anyone remember how Nnamdi use to play his first couple of years? Solid but not spectacular.
By the way it is unfortunate retired players such as Rod Woodson has to help develop a guy like Nnamdi rather than his coaches. I think we got so use to bringing in old talent, with big names, right before they retire that we forgot how to develop young new talent. We need to look at the Patriots formula. They bring vets and rookies into a system and make it happen.
P.S. Speaking of Patriots Woodson sacked Brady for a fumble we were robbed in the play-offs.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
The Midwest is flooded, California’s on fire, Drought in the South. Something’s going on, maybe the Raiders will turn it around this year. Or the Rapture.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Oh, great. I see our friend the troll is back. Douchebag. THAT wasn’t me, THIS is me.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Ryan will get the most out of his players or be fired is more like it. Kiffin has already tweaked the defense to his liking by bringing in better players after last years showing.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:36 am
Haha, one thing is for sure MR, Davis is a better person than you any day of the year.
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Oh, Davis is Mother Theresa. Just ask anyone who’s ever worked for him…
But that’s beside the point. We’re discussing Davis being out of touch with the fine points of building a modern day NFL football team. I don’t care if Al is a better person than the Pope. He sucks as a GM.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:05 am
FLorida Pete
where are you? have you heard, the company I work for will handle ‘The Port Of Miami’ fantastic deal, I think for Miami as well…
NY chose not to do a deal, so they moved to jersey.. LOL
July 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
I bet Davis could kick your azz from his walker or wheel chair MR, you pick your poison lol.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
‘Promising’? Is that what you call it? What, exactly, is it promising? How about five wins in a single season. Is that asking too much?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Florida Pete
miamiherald.com/business/story/590371.html
July 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:38 am
Gruden was shopping for higher a higher paying coaching job in his first year as Raiders coach,
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I’ve never heard of that, and I’ve read every single article and press release on the Gruden/Davis feud. Doing the BHP thing, now? Making things up, like he did about Tim B being broke? You guys are pathetic.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
If you don’t think they will win, quit on them, thats something that sounds like an MR trait, when things get tough ,quit.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Gruden 39-41 in 5 seasons with Tampa, looks like he misses Davis to me.
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Uh…math genius,
Davis is 19-61 in the past 5 seasons. 39-41 isn’t great but it’s a world better than what Al Davis is doing. You pulling up Gruden’s record only goes further to demonstrate my point that Gruden gets today’s NFL far more than Al Davis does. I appreciate it.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
He was shopping Notre Dame, everyone knows that, how old are you?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Any coach can go 39-41 in the NFC south lol.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Shell would even win the NFC south.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:12 am
I hate trolls. Why do you do this? Just be Kool and lets talk some Raiders football. This is the real me. Don’t listen to the other guy. I am a shim.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Gruden w/o Al is doodley squat.
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Al without Gruden is drafting in the top 5 year after year. The only success Al Davis has seen in the past 15 years is with a team Gruden built.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Johnny Rebel…
LOL good one =) would that be Shell with Tom Walsh or without?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am
MR, I would have to disagree with you regarding Al Davis losing touch with today’s NFL and building a team. If you consider the gutting of the roster of dead weight and adding through the draft, free agency and trades the 2008 RAIDERS look like a team that will compete for a playoff spot. He as the GM made changes across the board that on paper could be considered outstanding to people who actually understand football, but if Kiffin can get these players to jell together a run to the playoff could be a reality in 2008 for sure 2009. I think it’s like Hall #23 stated after meeting with Al Davis, the team had gotten away from him the past couple of seasons and he has taken control and built this team to WIN…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Mr Davis should be handling his business instead of butting in on gameplans:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Revenues_1.html
July 9th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Yeah listen what 92591 Raider of the Inland Empire (Temecula area?) has to say. He knows….
July 9th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Of course a lot depends on how well Russell plays, but considering the weapons around him, he can make mistakes and still have positives come out of them. On the other hand if the defense can’t stop the run we are going to be in trouble…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Anyone notice that Jeff Garcia looks exactly like Joey Chestnut.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Hey bros and broettes,
Every organization in the NFL has gone through its ups and downs. We are definately in a down but will come back fighting. I think we had a little of the Lion’s syndrome the last 2-3 years. We have been selecting the picks they just have not been panning out! I hope Lofton is doing a good job of developing the receivers. It would be great to have a group solid receivers developed from NFL birth rather than relying on a unhappy vet looking to find himself to make the big plays.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Sorry everyone, the link I sent from Forbes is from 2005, I’m sure the calculations have changed. My bad, sorry for being such a moron.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Yes Temecula, surrounded by Charger fans and wearing the Silver & Black with pride!!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Revenue depends on the city you play in, thats probably why Davis is going to leave Oakland again, like all the other pro sports teams are trying to do the same thing there.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:19 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Get off the bus MR and stand by all your predictions. We got a promising team to get behind this season, no matter what anyone speculates about Davis. Go root for Tampa and we will see you later in the year for a second azz kicking in a row. The Raiders are about to start winning a lot and there is nothing you can whine about that will change a thing.
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I shouldn’t respond to this, because you’re addressing one of my clones. But what the heck.
I’ve never heard of a promising team without a run defense. But hey, it’s your right to have faith. Like I said before, the realistic fans like me will be here to console you guys in the fall. Of course, until you guys inevitably start scapegoating Kiffin for not being able to win with Al’s porous personnel. Then we’ll have to defend Kiffin.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
# 92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Yes Temecula, surrounded by Charger fans and wearing the Silver & Black with pride!!
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I know about that, here its just Colts, Patsies and steelers…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
The lease in Oakland is up in 2010. Unless Al gets a new stadium deal you are probably right Johnny Rebel.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
The Colts ring a bell MR?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
He is not looking senile anymore, looks like he hired the wrong guys over the last 5 years to anyone with a brain. Now the rest of the NFL is scrambling to sign players because Davis scooped up some of the best one out there fast.
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LOL. My god. You’re in a worse state of denial than Baghdad Bob.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:22 am
And you can’t say the run defense will be so bad because the main problem is gone, your boy Sapp.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:23 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am
I bet Davis could kick your azz from his walker or wheel chair MR, you pick your poison lol.
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I would just walk away if he tried. I don’t fight with elders, especially senile ones with 2 feet and one arm in the grave.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I’ve seen your kind come and go for years now, fair weathered fans that jump the next winning bandwagon, please stay off ours.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
MR, are you really a Lombardi shill?? Come on be honest…
LMN, nice to see your posts, mostly see you on rf365…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am
92591…
thanks =) not all feel like that, LOL =)
July 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am
You’d quit like I stated earlier. Nice to see you admit it.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Come on MR. At lease AL is trying to change things by signing all the F/A’s. Willing to bet we will be top 3 in rushing offense and top three in pass defense. 9-7.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
If you don’t think they will win, quit on them, thats something that sounds like an MR trait, when things get tough ,quit.
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I’ll never quit on the Raiders. Only if they move out of the East Bay or take Oakland out of their name again. As long as they’re in Oakland, I’m a fan till I die.
But yes, I have certainly given up on Al Davis. So have all smart fans. He’s clueless.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Yeah, right. Like you have a clone, MoRon. Nice try.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
With 5 Superbowls one as recent as 2002, yeah he is really clueless, lol you are truly a moron MR.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I think the Raiders should move back to Los Angeles where they belong. LA will build Al a new stadium, and the Raiders can get out of OakCrapland.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Ralph B. can eat a d!ck… MERF and mac arnt too bad in the morning but I totally agree KNBR sucks ever since 1050 stopped covering the raiders… boycot knbr
July 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
He was shopping Notre Dame, everyone knows that, how old are you?
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He (Gruden) entertained Notre Dame after the 2000 season, when it was obvious Al Davis wasn’t going to pay him what he undoubtedly deserved. I challenge you to come up with a shred of evidence that he entertained Notre Dame before hand.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am
MR–IF you notice I am a Raider4life. Not an Oakland Raider not an LA Raider. I don’t If Al moves the team to freakin Siberia I will die a Raider. I live in the East Bay and a native of Richmond, but will forever be a Raider not matter what.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I think Gruden is HOT!!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Yo! your favorite nanny is back!
LOL dude I thought you were the name police not the spelling and grammer police??? ;P
July 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I have a picture of him singing, dancing and telling jokes for Notre Dame — if that’s not entertaining, I don’t know what is.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Raider revenues are at the bottom of the league, Won-Lost records at the bottom the league. Al Davis in Charge. Why blame Nancy Gay?
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Revenues_1.html
July 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
He is from the area MR, you figure it out, lol what an idiot.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am
—”LaMont Jordan recently paid the Lions a visit, according to his agent. Oakland has given Jordan permission to seek a trade and held him out of June camps. However, the agent says he’s had little contact with Detroit since the visit, indicating the team may not have been impressed. Jordan will turn 30 this season and has dealt with chronic back problems. Jul. 9 - 2:10 p.m. ET”—
July 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am
# 92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am
MR, I would have to disagree with you regarding Al Davis losing touch with today’s NFL and building a team. If you consider the gutting of the roster of dead weight and adding through the draft, free agency and trades the 2008 RAIDERS look like a team that will compete for a playoff spot. He as the GM made changes across the board that on paper could be considered outstanding to people who actually understand football, but if Kiffin can get these players to jell together a run to the playoff could be a reality in 2008 for sure 2009. I think it’s like Hall #23 stated after meeting with Al Davis, the team had gotten away from him the past couple of seasons and he has taken control and built this team to WIN…
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LOL. Did you copy and paste that from Artie Gigantino’s blog?
When a team has the worst run defense in football, and they don’t make move number one to address that need, they are not serious about competing in this league. We would have to score on every single drive to win games with our run defense as it stands. That works in high school, not the NFL.
And, this is beside the reports that Kiffin is on the outs. If he is, our hole is even deeper. We could really go 10 seasons straight in last place, from 2003 on.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am
MR, so your saying that the moves made by the RAIDERS this off season equal porous personal? If that is correct I hope the RAIDERS move out of the east bay-just so you go back to being a 9er fan…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Don’t get me wrong. I like Al Davis and think he will get it right, probably this year. It’s just that facts are facts, that’s all.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
408–Yeah Ralph has always hated Al. I think something happened long ago because Ralph use to cover the Raiders. Murph and Mac are aholes too tho because they are two faced. Radnich respects Al, but constantly rips on the Raiders. He brings Raider Mort and Artie Gigantino on and BS’s the crap out of them and then dumps on em when they leave. The whole station is nothing but hypocrites. I encourage everyone to email these aholes as much as possible.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am
408….
LOL yeah apparently… but it seems I can handle several badges and several hats =)
July 9th, 2008 at 11:37 am
# 92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Of course a lot depends on how well Russell plays, but considering the weapons around him, he can make mistakes and still have positives come out of them. On the other hand if the defense can’t stop the run we are going to be in trouble…
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There you have it!! LOL, I should have just scrolled down b4 responding to you. You answered your own question. The reality side of your brain functions, after all. You don’t need me! LOL.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:37 am
No Troll, I don’t think Al Davis will get it right, unfortunately.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:40 am
MR, it is a fact you don’t understand the game of football and how would you know what works in high school or not. From your posts you only have a fifth grade education… Watch this season as the defense stops the run with the additions at SS, SLB and Kelly moving to the three tec and the combination of Sands (who had major family issues last season), Warren and Joesph shield the LB’s so they can get into their assigned gaps with Wilson bringing the hammer-come on man get with it. I don’t cut and paste anything I just understand football-unlike your bandwagon jumping A$$…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Losing Record since 1989
19-61 over the last 5 years
#30 in Franchise Value
Can you spell M-i-s-m-a-n-a-g-e-m-e-n-t.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Revenues_1.html
July 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am
When I was little… my father was famous.
He was the greatest samurai in the empire;
and he was the Shogun’s decapitator.
He cut off the heads of a hundred and thirty-one lords.
It was a bad time for the empire.
The Shogun just stayed inside his castle — and he never came out.
People said his brain was infected by DEVILS.
My father would come home — he would forget about the killings.
He wasn’t scared of the Shogun, but the Shogun was scared of him.
Maybe that was the problem.
Then, one night… the Shogun sent his ninja spies to our house.
They were supposed to kill my father… but they didn’t.
That was the night everything changed
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That was the night everything chaaaaanged!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Catch the NATION tomorrow!!!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
MR Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Gruden 39-41 in 5 seasons with Tampa, looks like he misses Davis to me.
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Uh…math genius,
Davis is 19-61 in the past 5 seasons.
Once again MoRon stoops to idiocy. The difference is Gruden took over a World Championship team and does not have a winning record, and should have a substantially more losing record than he does. Your 5 year window is disingenuous. Why not go back 6 years??? Oh Right, because Al Davis was playing for a World Championship in that 6th year. That would mess everything up.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Oakglenn
Losing record since 1-9-8-9, hello, anybody in there?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:46 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
The Colts ring a bell MR?
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Ok, that’s a fair point.
But when you look at the Raiders, do you honestly see an organization remotely similar to the Colts?
Have the Colts ever traded a coach that rebuilt their team to a team they’d likely have to play in the Super Bowl?
Would the Colts eventually replace that coach with the likes of Norv Turner and Art Shell?
Would the Colts, at least the Dungy Colts, keep someone like Alvis Whitted on their roster for more than 2 seasons?
Does Tony Dungy’s sideline phone ring throughout the game because Jim Irsay has some “advice” on how to play defense?
Did the Colts draft Tony Dungy a letter of resignation for him to sign after his first year, because he tried to fire a poor defensive coordinator?
Yes, the Colts had a lousy run D in ‘06. But they were solid everywhere else, from the owner’s box to the field.
The Raiders are only solid with the Punter position, and in the broadcast booth. Greg Poppa and Shane Lechler. That’s it. Those are the only two things this year we know will be good. The run will likely be good too, but that rests on how much control Kiffin has. If Kiffin really has been stripped of his control, we will not run the ball, just like Turner and Shell didn’t. The puppets always air it out to please Al. So, when you’re poor in virtually every category, it magnifies the lack of a run defense. Our offense isn’t even close to being good enough to win without a run defense. But I was wrong, teams have won without one. But they were pretty solid teams. We are not.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:47 am
I think if Gruden and Al would have worked things out not only would we have won that SB, but we wouldn’t be in this situation. Gruden is one of the better coaches in the league and hasn’t had the talent the past 3 years, but has made the most of it. That is all in the past now so lets hope AL and Kiffin can get it done and we get back to where we should be.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am
The Raiders GM has a losing record since 1-9-8-9, hello, hello………
July 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am
You here again MR?? Everyone in Santa Clara misses you there saying how great us niners are and how great a season we are about to have. Like you always say MR, “Go Niners!!!!”
July 9th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Say Koolkell, have we been a losing or winning team since 1989?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I’ve seen your kind come and go for years now, fair weathered fans that jump the next winning bandwagon, please stay off ours.
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I’ve been a fan for 4 decades. Not going anywhere, Rebel, unless they leave the O again. Then I’d be proudly done with this franchise, and believe you me, I wouldn’t be alone. No city wants the Raiders and if he were to strong arm his way into some place like Baltimore, he’d be lucky to get 15,000 people in the stands. The league would probably find a way to legally disband the franchise.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Losing, sorry to say. Since 1-9-8-9. hello hello. Time for a change???? Maybe?????
July 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am
92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
MR, are you really a Lombardi shill?? Come on be honest…
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No. In fact, I don’t have any reason to believe that Lombardi was a great GM. He wouldn’t have set back and Al to do the things he did, if he was. He would have quit a lot sooner. But I do believe Lombardi is spot on in his analysis of the Raiders. In that instance, there’s millions of Lombardi shills out there…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Gruden didn’t even beat Shanahan till the 2001 season after 6 straight losses. Kiffin on the other hand has.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am
I met Bryant Young a few years ago and hung out with for a couple of hours. Very kool guy for a Whiner. He did mention one thing tho. (Yes we know Steve Young is married, but so is Tom Cruise) Bryant said and I quote “Steve Young is a fudge packer” Also said what a selfish jerk of a teammate.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
With 5 Superbowls one as recent as 2002, yeah he is really clueless,
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Thanks for bringing up the 2002 Super Bowl appearance. It wouldn’t have happened had Gruden not been here beforehand.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Gruden is a bad coach today unless he has a good quarterback just like before he got Gannon.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Raider4life Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am
MR–IF you notice I am a Raider4life. Not an Oakland Raider not an LA Raider. I don’t If Al moves the team to freakin Siberia I will die a Raider.
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Have fun. Here the nightlife is wild in Siberia. I’m done with the team if Al, or anyone, moves it out of Oakland again.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Gruden would have lost to Tennessee if he were the coach at the time and there would have been no Superbowl for Oakland.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
# 92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am
MR, so your saying that the moves made by the RAIDERS this off season equal porous personal? If that is correct I hope the RAIDERS move out of the east bay-just so you go back to being a 9er fan…
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I would never be a Niner fan. Can’t stand the team or it’s fans, or the press that shills for them. Made me sick when we were winning a few years ago and they only gave us credit for winning with a “49er” offense. Then again, Davis shills were saying the same thing, and downplaying our success. I was just enjoying the Raiders finally winning.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
The Niner fan accusations are rolling in. That means the Davis homers are out of gas, again. You guys ready to call it an afternoon, and get back to your job hunting?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
KK you only need to post that once. MR and his moronic 19-61 has been posted literally thousands of times. It’s not relevant. As I said why not go back 6 years??? Why not 7 years??? Since 1989….well, weren’t the Raiders playing in the AFC Championship game in 1990????? The Boston Celtics didn’t have a playoff run for over a decade in the 90’s. We know. Yes, I want Bill Polian the architecht of the great Buffalo Bills 1990 teams and the current architecht of Indy Colts run to be GM here too. Ain’t gonna happen. So you can just sit here and post 19-61, 19-61, 19-61, 19-61 like MoRon does. What does that accomplish tell me??? No real fan would do that.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Al Trades Gruden and Gruden comes back and stomps the Raiders heads in, in the Super Bowl, the SAME F’N YEAR!
Now he’s worried about LaMont Jordan going to KC. I would be laughing my arse off if it weren’t so tragic.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
http://thesportingorange.wordpress.com/category/jon-gruden/
Funny read.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Oakglenn wrote:
“Once again MoRon stoops to idiocy. The difference is Gruden took over a World Championship team and does not have a winning record, and should have a substantially more losing record than he does. Your 5 year window is disingenuous. Why not go back 6 years??? Oh Right, because Al Davis was playing for a World Championship in that 6th year. That would mess everything up.”
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We go back 6 years, and Gruden is a Super Bowl champion. We can go back to any year you want since Gruden’s been in the league, Oakglenn, and he’s better than Al Davis.
This is why you should let Marley do you fighting, Oakglenn. He’s smart. Full of s’t, but smart, and knows how to sell. You do not have that skill. You’re a loyal fan. Your skill is to cheer and rally the troops. When it comes to football x’s and o’s, Oakglenn, you’re not the guy to carry that torch. It’s demonstrated in here every day. There’s nothing more pathetic than a beer drinking blowhard fan trying to spin for a franchise. Just grab your banner and tell everyone we’re going to win the Super bowl this year. It’s your only real skill.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Gruden would have lost to Tennessee if he were the coach at the time and there would have been no Superbowl for Oakland.
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coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Is that a white towel I see flying into the ring?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
This is Al Davis:
In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
KK you only need to post that once. MR and his moronic 19-61 has been posted literally thousands of times. It’s not relevant.
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19-61 over 5 years. Any GM that’s not also an owner is fired for that, Oakglenn. Regardless of what he’s done 20 years ago.
Oakglenn, considering that fact; If Al Davis were as smart you say he is? He’d fire himself.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
sign Nnamdi
July 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Oakglenn,
Don’t remind me of 1990, all I remember is the 51-3 arse whoopin at the hands of the Bills that ended the season.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
No white towel here for me MR, quitting is your trait, now put up the white towel before Davis runs over you with his walker.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
He’s always been the Egomaniac Genius. He’s NOT going to fire himself. But maybe his partners………….
July 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
408-Fitz and Brooks are two other aholes. Rod Brooks use to work for the Raiders and now all he does is dump on them. Fitz who is Jerry Mathers twin brother is a complete idiot because he works for the Whiners station yet is a Bears fan. Dude thinks he is smarter than freakin God. They can be funny at times talkin Warriors, but both are idiots.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Anyway Real Fans,
A little heat can’t hurt, changes are needed. Don’t be a passive cult. It’s working, he’s under pressure, he now knows his laurels are not enough, he’s spending like crazy. Mike Taylor is touchy, keep it up critics.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
What heat? Even after the past loosing seasons someone gives him a pile of money to sign better players and Kiffin gets the best available. The only pressure Davis is getting is maybe age but considering Rose Davis lived into her 90’s, who knows. Not sure how old Al’s dad lived to be. Some of you sound like you live in a socialist society if you always whine about firing the boss.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
A little heat can hurt if placed in the wrong spot.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Actually a better word than boss would be owner.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Ahh..some Gruden talk earlier…I´ll chime in..
First of all, I´m not a Gruden “hater”, I really liked him when he was here but unlike many others, I don’t hold a grudge against him, I don´t love him either.
That being said, let´s take a closer look at Gruden´s 6 year tenure in Tampa Bay:
Over that 6 year span, the Bucs Defense has been an Elite Unit, the NFL´s best in terms of consistency over that period. On the other hand, the Offense can´t even be called mediocre, their performance has been below average.
Here are the Bucs rankings in the NFL´s total Defense and Total Offense since Gruden took over:
2002 Defense (1) Offense (24)
2003 Defense (5) Offense (10)
2004 Defense (5) Offense (22)
2005 Defense (1) Offense (23)
2006 Defense (17) Offense (29)
2007 Defense (2) Offense (18)
After looking at those numbers, it´s evident that the Bucs Defense has been carrying the team all of these years.
But despite such a high level of play on Defense, the Bucs still are 51-50 overall under Gruden and without 02 their record dips well below .500
It makes one wonder what Gruden´s record would be if he didn´t have the luxury of fielding a top-notch Defense year in and year out, doesn´t it?.
In fact, you could argue that the Defense Rich McKay, Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin built is not only mostly responsible for the Super Bowl win, but it´s also responsible for Gruden still having a job.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I think Trask would take over the Raiders if something happened to Davis, she is the first female ceo in nfl history.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Don’t give up on Al quite yet, though. Something tells me he’s got a few tricks up his sleeve, some bullets left in his gun.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Maybe Davis should have kept Gruden but Shanahan was a far greater mistake imo.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
No I don’t believe that Troll. He’s an egomaniac who’s not likely to change unless forced.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
It took Gruden 7 tries to finnaly beat Shanahan, it took Kiffin only 2, change is coming. Shanahan will be in the HOF as a head coach, he ranks right up there with the best all time, as much as I hate to say.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I really think this team is positioned to make some very positive strides in both the upcoming season as well as in the years ahead. Cagey old Al has quietly accumulated some real talent.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
This is how Al Davis got control of the Raiders:
This is Al Davis:
In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Shut up, Troll! I hate Al Davis and I hate you!
July 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Great point Marley He just doesn’t have the talent now that he had when he was coaching for Al Davis. Lets face it Al will do anything he can to get great players here and that is just not the case in Tampa.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
And this is how the US got control of America: we stole it from the Native Americans and the Mexicans. So what’s my point, you may ask. Heck if I know!
July 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I don’t hate Al, I just think we need a new GM
July 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Wayne Valley hired Al as GM, and this is what Al did to him shortly thereafter:
In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Thats a b.s. story KoolKell, they went to court and Davis won.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
HEY YOU IDIOT JON BECKER AND THE EQUALLY INCOMPETENT MODERATOR.
Would you please ban the IP address posting as me.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I don’t care if it’s bs, I’m going to keep posting it ad nauseam, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, buddy boy!
July 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Maybe Al and the Pa1estinans were planning their attacks together… maybe Al payed them!?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
As far as Davis, the spending spree, and the revenue, some real facts.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2007/11/19/daily6.html
July 9th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Thanks Johnny Reb,
The $750 million valuation places the Raiders WELL below the NFL’s upper echelon. Five teams in the NFL — Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, New England Patriots, Houston Texans and Philadelphia Eagles — are each worth more than $1 billion, according to an estimate by Forbes magazine. Each of those teams has newer stadiums that bring in more money in sponsorship sales and suite sales than the Raiders.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Davis probably kicks himself in the butt for not taking the offer to move to Baltimore before he moved the team back to Oakland, but I find it interesting the 3 new partners are on the east coast.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
MoRon is always talking about some of us being in denial. The thing that MoRon doesn’t get is there are a lot of people in an organization you can get rid of. The problem is you can’t get rid of the owner unless a few of you here are sitting on $100million dollar bills you want to cough up. Maybe a couple of you guys who are continually bitching about Davis would pony up the dough and buy the team for the rest of us for say $700mm, then you could hire whoever the best person available is to be GM. If not, you’re living in denial. Davis is going to run the team the same way he always has. Live with it. Same with Modell, same as Steinbrenner, same as Jerry jones.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
The league uses revenue sharing to offset the values, its not that big of a deal unless you play in a run down stadium, in a small market.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
To see how Raider’s revenues stack up with the rest of the NFL check the link below. #30 ouch.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Revenues_1.html
July 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Johnny Reb,
I thought that was what the LA, Irvindale fiascos were all about.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Maybe it was but I do remember Davis getting an offer to move to Baltimore.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Later. Troll I’m done, for now.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Ok, I admit this is some boring stuff I’m posting, but you can’t always be interesting and exciting. At least I can’t. All right, all right, I admit: I never am. But still….
July 9th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Davis wanted to build a stadium with private money instead of taxes. Tagliabu disagreed. Thats what I remember about Irvindale.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Personally I like Jon Gruden. Jon’s a good guy, he’s a funny guy, he’s a solid coach, but he’s not Vince Lombardi II. He’s just not. Davis probably made the right decision to get rid of him. As Bob Marley posted above, the credit for Tampa Bay’s success goes almost exclusively to Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin, much more so than to Rich McKay, Gruden and the Glazers. I liked jon while he was here, I think Lane is going to do a better job.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Riddle me this.
Whats the difference between a Raider fan and a queen sized twat?
July 9th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
If you have ever thought to notice, teams with new stadiums or that move to a new city with a new stadium get the calls and win in todays NFL.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I don’t know Johnny. The New York Giants have been playing in the Meadowlands since the 1970’s. Green Bay was playing in the NFC Championship Game and they’ve been playing at Lambeau since the 30’s. Indian-crapolis has been playing at that stupid RCA dome for decades. Teams that win in the NFL have excellent personnel guys. Teams that don’t, don’t.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Answer: in the case of Oakglenn, there IS no difference.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
In the case of MR, both spew foul goo when effed with.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Gruden was a winner for us, but in light of his track record in Tampa, Al made a great deal. Too bad he blew all the picks he got on stiffs.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I look forward to listening to Greg Papa on net radio again this year. What I like most about him is the disgust he displays at the ineptitude of the Raiders. ha ha
July 9th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
#578
reb
You were on a roll untill you said that. Ratscat had Elway. Thats the only time he was able to put it together. If it wasnt for having one of the top 5 QB’s in history on hi team, he would have been fired years ago.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Nice try, brah, but mine was way funnier. As usual.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Actually MR you should once again just declare yourself victorious as you always do. Of course that is exactly like Custer after being pierced by dozens of arrows or Trevor Berbick lying face down on the canvas with pink elephants circling his dome, telling the Souix and Mike Tyson respectively how he kicked their asses.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
by the way….is it wrong for my 10 year old kid to go around the streets of Copenhagen in a number 18 Raiders’ jersey? ha ha…..I might have to burn that jersey, but then I’d have to buy more gear.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
LMN by the way…we’ll have to catch a Raiders game in a bar or something some time. Just as long as you don’t have a Brøndby jersey on!
July 9th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
hahahaha. MR is soooo predictable. Again declaring victory. God that’s funny. That’s like all the toasted people of Nagasaki looking up in the sky, shaking their fists and claiming wow, we kicked your ass America.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
sorry if that was tasteless and offensive.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
CopenhagenFan…
yeah you better give him a new one…
July 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Marley said:
“In fact, you could argue that the Defense Rich McKay, Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin built is not only mostly responsible for the Super Bowl win, but it´s also responsible for Gruden still having a job.”
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That only makes the case that Gruden managed to hold things together. You guys are going to have to make up your minds; Did Gruden dismantle Tampa Bay, or is he still winning with Dungy’s team? Can’t be both. Oh, who am I kidding? With you, Marley, it can always be both. No doubt you’ll find a way to straddle the fence and make the case that Gruden both dismantled the Bucs and is still succeeding with Dungy’s team. Can’t wait to hear it. It’ll be a perfect sequel to your explanation of your claim that Sapp was probably talking about Shell and Turner, but that he also couldn’t be trusted…
July 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Copenhagenfan…
yeah good Idea regarding watching a game together as well as the next mermaid bowl!
Do you have a problem with brøndby or do you have a problem with soccer fans in the copenhagen area in general ??
July 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I think Trask would take over the Raiders if something happened to Davis, she is the first female ceo in nfl history.
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She has no clue, either. Anyone who could sit back and watch this organization crumble the way she has, assuming she has an ounce of football knowledge, should be thrown out with the rest of the garbage. Amy Trask is part and parcel of what the Raiders have become. We can’t use her. When Al goes, hopefully, she goes. I doubt Al will put her in charge, anyway. He’s probably putting Mark in charge, and Mark will clean f’n house.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Trask is a hero of mine! she saved the raiders economy!
July 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“The problem is you can’t get rid of the owner unless a few of you here are sitting on $100million dollar bills you want to cough up.”
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The “problem”???
Wow. I thought you liked Al Davis. Now you’re coming clean and expressing your true belief that not being able to get rid of Al Davis is a “problem”? My god, there still might be a few brain cells left in there…
July 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Trask is a hero of mine! she saved the raiders economy!
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LOL. You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The state of Raider Safety has not been a “wasteland” since returning in 1995. Two words….Eric Turner.
Turner would have caught big mouth SSharpe on 3rd and freakin 17 from the 3 yard line!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instead we got Anthony Dorsett and the mystery angle. Still not quite over that one.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
of course I don’t… LOL she got people into the seat again, she removed the pst or psl or whats its name..
July 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Make these people register. The only wasteland here is the posting board.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Yes, LMN, she got people into the seats by getting rid of something the Raiders never should have had to begin with. The best way to fill seats is to win games. Remember, we filled those seats, even with the ridiculously high prices, between ‘00 and ‘02. Now we’re lowering the price because the product is a joke. That’s not success. It’s desperation. Screw Trask. When Al goes, she’ll go with him. Mark will sue if he has to. He’d sue under the premise that his father was nuts when handing the team over to her, and he’d easily win.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
MR Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Gruden w/o Al is doodley squat.
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Al without Gruden is drafting in the top 5 year after year. The only success Al Davis has seen in the past 15 years is with a team Gruden built.
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What a bogus argument you spew MR. You spend about 50 posts a day ragging on Al as a GM, and then when he gathers a roster that succeeds you claim Gruden built the team. Al was the same all-powerful GM with Gruden - read his book.
You cannot discount EVERY successful personnel move Al makes and then claim to be the only grounded Raider fan here. You are biased, and your agenda is clear. Spin away.
I also realize you are already typing “19-61″ as you read this. Yes, the scoreboard shows Al to be a failure during the last 5 years. But acknowledge that there are many other 5 year periods when he was a stellar GM.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Al already said he’s handing the team over to his wife, anyway. Said in the Sacramento Bee a few years ago. One of his rare interviews. So, Mark’s running the team when Al retires (hopefully soon). He’ll hire a GM, probably some of the old Raider guys, not the yes men, but the guys with brains, that Al got rid of throughout the years. He might even bring Ron in for a couple of years to put a front office together.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
And I now choose to refine my original quote:
Gruden w/o Al = doodley squat.
Gruden w/o M. Kiffin’s #1 Defense = doodley squat.
Bruce Allen w/o Al = doodley squat.
How is it again that anyone considers Chucky to be an offensive genius? The Bucs are sub-par on O year in and year out. This year looks to be the same.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I thought Eric Turner(R.I.P) played some Safety for us since the Raiders have been back? He was a great Safety, thats one you forgot Jerry.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
i just said that #622 Sith. You are on point.
I quick scanned the 600 other messages and didn’t see his name once before. How quick we forget. RIP Eric Turner
July 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Bo, what has Al done to build a team similar to the team we had when Gruden was here, since Gruden left?
Where is our Rich Gannon? Soon as Gannon got hurt, Al went back to the bonehead bombers. He’s still doing it. I wasn’t big on Quinn or Russell but if Al was the guy who wanted the control passer in Gannon and not Gruden, Al would have taken Quinn. Al wants Cotton Davidson all over again. He thinks Russell is going to be that guy. He thinks Russell will somehow get the ball off faced with blitzes and deep zones. He’s a freakin’ idiot.
When Gruden was here, he grabbed the bull by the horns and ran his own regime under Al’s nose. It’s why Al got rid of him. Yes, Gruden deserves most of the credit for our success earlier this decade. Al gets credit for hiring him, and little else. We were not winning with signature Davis players. Gruden kept those clowns on the bench. That’s why we won.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
If Gruden is doodley squat, Bo, what is the guy who’s 19-61 in the past 5 years?
July 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
MR, Gruden himself said Al brought Gannon to his attention. Al realized the fit for Gruden’s conservative offense.
You can’t have it both ways. If Gruden took the “bull by the horns” it was because Al let him. And Al found him and hired him. Good for Al.
And weren’t Jerry Rice, Rod Woodson, Romanowski, Garner, Wheatley, William Thomas, Albert Lewis, Eric Allen, etc. all signature Davis players? Vets with plenty left in the tank? Good move Al, give your GM a raise.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Gannon was possibly the best, most influential free agent acquisition of all time. Those don’t just grow on trees and Gruden, Al and Gannon all got lucky when that formula was created. Gannon was a rare find. Name a free agent remotely close to him and available in the past 5 years. Ups and downs happen, and when you luck is about 60% of it. The niners run was two back to back HOF QB’s and a weak division (at the end). That has never happened before of since.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
If 39-41 is “doodley squat”, Bo, what is 19-61?
July 9th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Gruden is doodley squat because he is barely .500 after being handed the #1 defense, talent-wise and coaching-wise. And he is supposedly an offensive guru. Once again I commend Al for getting the picks for an overrated, ungrateful coach.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Bo has it right. U can’t have it both ways.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Tom Walsh could have led the Bucs to 39-41 with that defense.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Chucky’s best days as a coach are behind him
July 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Right on Spicoli, I could never forget E-Rock, he was a bad azz.
Ps. Mr.Hand is looking for you.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
We’ve all been thru this with MoRon a million times. Gruden himself said Al sent him tapes of Rich Gannon. MoRon shruggs it off.
“And weren’t Jerry Rice, Rod Woodson, Romanowski, Garner, Wheatley, William Thomas, Albert Lewis, Eric Allen, etc. all signature Davis players? Vets with plenty left in the tank? Good move Al, give your GM a raise.”
Exactly!!! And let’s not forget Tim Brown who Davis drafted. But MoRon can’t see that either. Gruden on the other hand was given a World Championship team and immediately turned it into a loser. Then drove it right into the ground. Everyone can see this but MoRon. Meanwhile, we’ve been building up our team for this season. Let’s see what happens.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I will bet my middle testicle that Gruden will never win another ring as HC. He was VERY lucky once to inherit a ready-made winner and play his old team in the Super Bowl. The Bucs should have given him a championship ring that was commenserate with his contribution: a nose ring. He looks like Ferdinand the Bull ready to charge anyways.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
MR, Gruden himself said Al brought Gannon to his attention. Al realized the fit for Gruden’s conservative offense.
You can’t have it both ways. If Gruden took the “bull by the horns” it was because Al let him. And Al found him and hired him. Good for Al.
And weren’t Jerry Rice, Rod Woodson, Romanowski, Garner, Wheatley, William Thomas, Albert Lewis, Eric Allen, etc. all signature Davis players? Vets with plenty left in the tank? Good move Al, give your GM a raise.
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Bo,
Gruden likes to take the high road and spread credit around, even to Al Davis. You know, that little jerk Gruden…
But I think Gruden was going just that, taking the high road. He’s never going to sit there and take credit for what happened in Oakland, even if he deserves the credit, and anyone with a brain knows he does. It’s not his style.
But don’t take my word for it. Just look at what Al has done since Gruden left.
Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Rusell…
Where is the Rich Gannon in there?
Rich Gannon was not just some aging guy with a few throws left in him. He was a sharp quarterback. It’s his brains that set him apart from the average qb. I’ll take that rather it’s in a 25 year old qb or a 37 year old one.
Jerry Rice never would have came here if it wasn’t for Gruden.
Ditto Charlie Garner.
Eric Thomas was a Willie Shaw guy.
Albert Lewis? LOL. I forgot all about him. How many pro bowls?
July 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
we have potential
July 9th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
You really don’t have to get into specifics about who Al drafted, because, as the mediots point out daily, Al makes all the decisons. He IS the Raiders, and you know what….somedays you win, somedays you lose.
Overall I’ll take Al’s decisons, SB trophies and HOF status, despite the indescriminate bashing of losers who can’t get over the move to LA, or not giving good press access, or his eyeglasses or jumpsuits. Al could give a SHIITE about what anyone thinks, all he wants……ALL he wants, is to JUST WIN BABY!!! And he shows it each and every year, as he spends money on FA’s and drafts to impact.
How’d you like to be a Cardinal fan?
July 9th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Oakglenn, Al was going to let Tim Brown go after ‘93 until Hostettler talked him out of it. It’s rumored that Hostettler would have held out and demanded a trade if Al didn’t sign Tim. Al was trying to lowball Tim Brown. Tim Brown was a possession receiver. He was never a deep threat. He’s not an Al Davis type of player. He has Ron Wolf written all over him. Take a look at when he was drafted. Ron was still here and still involved then.
Tim Brown also just predicted that we didn’t have much of a chance to compete this year. This provoked BHP to start a rumor that Tim Brown is broke.
I’m glad you brought up Tim Brown, Oakglenn.
He’s our all time leading receiver, and he’s not a deep threat.
Ken Stabler is our all time leading passer, and he’s not a bomber.
It must leave Al a sour taste that his leading qb and receiver are not parcel of his vertical game.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
MR, give the hate a rest.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
You guys this is moronic. MoRon is ridiculous. somehow this incredible coach (Gruden) who did EVERYTHING HERE in Oakland, built the team, get the guys, design the offense, design the defense, negotiate all the contracts, then goes to Tampa Bay, with a ready made championship team, immediately becomes a loser in Tampon Bay, drills the team into the ground, has the entire fan base ready to run him outta Tampa and somehow according to MoRon, all Grudens problems in Tampon Bay is Al Davis’ fault.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Eric Thomas? You are a clown. Its ROBERT Thomas, a LINEBACKER. Not a Shaw guy sorry. And as you so readily admit, nothing happen with personnel without Al’s OK.
And why WOULD Garner come without Gruden? He needed a west-coast O…DUH. Al saw the needs to run Gruden’s offense and found an exceptional group of players. Good job Al.
Oh, MR your crapola about Gruden sperading the credit is weak, hollow, and by now you must be ashamed to make such a BS claim.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Tom Walsh could have led the Bucs to 39-41 with that defense.
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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers would never hire a guy who’d been running a bed and breakfast hotel and who’s offensive playcalling profile was literally the same one he’d used in the early ’80s. There’s only one team in the league that would.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Biletnikoff isn’t vertical, neither was Casper, Bo, Mervyn Fernandez, almost everyone but Branch and Jett. So what was your point?
Al being addicted to Vertical is overhyped. He is addicted to winning.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
come on MR, time to go, even we think you’re not making sense.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Bo, you’re even dumber than I thought if you think that Rice and Garner would have come here if someone like Bugel were out head coach and Jeff George were our qb. they came here for Gruden and his system.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
JSpicoli Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Biletnikoff isn’t vertical, neither was Casper,
…..
Both Wolf guys. Thank you.
You know Freddy B took a shot at Al Davis’s love of athletes and neglect of real football talent about a month ago, didn’t you?
I’m so glad you brought Freddy B up.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Bonds to the Angels? Just saw in on the Entertainment and Statistics Programming Network.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
That is why Al carried him as receivers coach for 20 freakin years
July 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Albert Lewis went to 4 pro bows MR, albeit none as a Raider. For us he was a heady vet who fit in well in our secondary, and came cheap….signature Davis addition.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
So bascially what has AD done? nothing?, he is merely a puppet or Ron Wolf and Chucky? you are delusional
July 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Garner was a Gruden choice. Rice was not. Moronic.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
That is what I am saying Jspicoli. this guy MoRon is delusional and moronic. he doesn’t make any sense. We’ve been thru all of this millions of times. he’s a 49er fan. It’s well documented.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
They came for the system, not the coach MR. Gruden was unproven but the system was not. But Al recognized the needs of the system and brought Garner and Rice onboard. Way to go on that one Al. Some of us remember.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
You read right: Freddy B was a RON WOLF guy. And I can prove it, damn it.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
gruden couldnt stand being al’s puppet, al couldnt stand gruden getting all the credit.. so hey they divorced let bigons be bigons get over gruden,who knows what happens if we keep gruden another year..its irrelevent…davis 3 rings…gruden 1….simple as that
July 9th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
MR,
Bugel and George were busts as Raiders, so Al adapted and overcame. He discovered Chucky and embrced his system. Al would not have signed Rice, Garner, Gannon, etc. if Bugel and George were succeeding. Al recognized this, of course, much to his credit. Thanks for pointing this out in your underhanded way.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Al discovered Gruden? It was the other way around!
July 9th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Look, Al’s done a lot of good things, and is still doing them. Same thing goes for Gruden. Come on, people.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
If Al had not discovered Gruden, Chucky would be Holmgren’s and Rhodes’ boy to this day. No other owner would have risked their team on such a young, unproven coach. But Al did his homework. Good job Al.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Troll, you must really think my name is very influential, huh?
July 9th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Bo,
I look at it from a different perspective. Al hires the Grudens and Kiffins because they are rookies and he can control them, plus they have no other options.
Self repsecting coaches, with ANY other options choose to work elsewhere.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Troll, I don’t really care if you want to use my name so bad. Fine: use it. We at least agree on one thing: Al Davis is doing a good job.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Al Davis has always hired coaches with no previous head coaching experience, so what he’s doing now is no different than what he’s done before. Only NORF and Art, in his second go round, had any coaching experience
July 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I have to admit I never thought of that, Eric Farrell. Good point. I guess I’ll have to reconsider some of the stuff I say about Al Davis in the future. He’s actually a pretty good owner, all in all.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Bugel had head coaching experience as well. Funny thing is he seems to do better with guys that have NO experience, versus the retreads.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Maybe if Gruden would’ve passed to the TE’s more in the 2000 AFC Championship against Baltimore instead of being a hard ass and trying to run, playing into BAL’s hands, they would’ve won that game. He underestimated Baltimore’s D and thought his No.1 rated rushing attack would do it, and he was going to do it his way, he wanted to challenge Baltimore’s run D knowing better, played stubborn, and lost. Maybe if he wouldn’t have called two straight running plays against NE late in the game, maybe if he would’ve swung a swing pass to Garner and that fateful 3rd down, they would’ve gotten that yard and closed out the game. But Gruden played his B.S. “west coast offense” close to the vest, in the cold, and ran the ball. AND LOST.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Of course, he hires coaches he can control, ie rookies with no other options, exactly.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Right, Bugel did..Bugel and NORF
July 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
MR, hows that job search going, not good huh?? Anyways you couldn’t prove your a man much less prove Ron Wolf had a hand in drafting Fred Biletnikoff in 1965. First of all Wolf didn’t join the RAIDERS until 1966, Ron is known for drafting players like Shell, Upshaw & Stabler. If Wolf was responsible for drafting a Hall Of Famer like Freddie Biletnikoff it would be known and would have happened prior to being on the RAIDERS payroll. It’s seems like you guess a lot when it comes to the RAIDERS and you spend a lot of time being wrong, but if the RAIDERS move-if not the 9ers you will jump on the Seahawks jock-MORON. Al Davis hires young Head Coaches because he wants to be known as the Owner on the cutting edge. Kiffin was hired mostly because he knows how to scout football players and recruited most of the young elite players while at USC, and his time at USC the Offense was second to none. I am not a USC fan in anyway… Gruden was interviewed by Al Davis twice before getting the job-so who really found who-and Gruden never would have left the RAIDERS if Bruce Allen wasn’t the facilitator making things happen by pulling Gruden’s strings… Get a clue or do some homework-just get a job MR…
July 9th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
bugel and white were disasters!
July 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
The fact that Jon Gruden is STILL the #1 topic of conversation for Raider fans tells you how bad this franchise has become. Nothing better to talk about? Not really.
Our big issues going into the off-season and how we addressed them:
Defensive Coaching - Not only was Ryan not fired he was retained in such a way that Al has (again) undermined his head coach in the eyes of the players.
Run Defense - Lost Sapp who sadly (as bad as he was) was one of our better run stoppers. Added no substantial free agent or draft picks at DLine or LB. Overpaid Kelly to stand next to waaay overpaid Sands. Throwing a bunch of scrubs at the problem and hoping one or two of them will become a star.
Wide Receivers - Let Jerry Porter go (good) and signed a drunk, one-eyed Jerry Porter named Walker to replace him. (not so good) Signed a free agent Carter who looks good out of pads so far but never was able to beat out 80-year old Terry Glenn in Dallas. Curry, Carter and the one-eyed Jack are hardly a solid group.
LT - Traded Sims for Harris. Harris may be an improvement at run blocking but (scary thought) may be worse at pass blocking.
RT - No change from the mediocre squad of 07.
S - Grabbed the #1 free agent safety. Good.
In other news we used high draft picks to add slight upgrades at HB and CB. That’s fine but we couldn’t trade for a Pro Bowl DT or DE instead of CB?
Lots of areas left unaddressed from last season. BTW if you’re counting on a Safety to bolster your run D, you are admitting your front seven stink.
Strong arm QB, playmaking HB with speed and iffy line play? Anybody remember the Joe Bugel year? Playmakers can help a team but they can’t carry it.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
92591…
LOL
July 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
COW…
for real? Sapp was one of our best run stoppers? I seem te remember him run past many RB’s and try to hit the QB… as in he didn’t realize it was a run and that he should stop his ‘blitz’….
July 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
They came for the system, not the coach MR. Gruden was unproven but the system was not. But Al recognized the needs of the system and brought Garner and Rice onboard. Way to go on that one Al. Some of us remember.
……
The system wouldn’t have been there if it wasn’t for Gruden. If Al was a west coast guy, why has he ditched the offense? It got him to his most recent Super Bowl. It’s because he doesn’t believe in it. He hired Gruden hoping Gruden would just be a good sideline leader. He thought he could control Gruden as far as game planning goes. He couldn’t. The system Gruden put together is the system Rice and Garner came to play under.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Question to Al Haters:
Do you think any of today’s current or most recent head coaches, if given the opportunity later, had the fortune of owning a franchise, would THEY want to have a say it what happens? Some type of control? you don’t hear Parcells, Belicheck, and to many other RESPECTED head coaches bad mouth Davis because they want to accomplish what he’s accomplished. He’s been a coach, GM, and owner of the Raiders, a franchise he’s been a part of since he was given the chance to come here. In another 10 years, the Belichecks, the Cowhers, the Reids, the Holmgres, will be in ownership and will do the same thing Davis is doing now
July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Mike White
Joe Bugel
Jon Gruden
Bill Callahan
Norv Turner
Art Shell
Lane Kiffin
Can you see a pattern in this impressive list?
Ans: Coaches with no job opportunities.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Eric,
Don’t forget Gruden came out trying to pass but Tony “lard A$$” Saragosa flopped on Gannon and Gannon wasn’t the same the rest of the game.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Cow…
Drew Carter, was from Carolina Panthers, never played for Cowboys..
July 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
MR,
Bugel and George were busts as Raiders, so Al adapted and overcame.
……
…overcame by running Gruden out of town, and eventually bringing in Norv Turner and Kerry Collins. You get dumber with each comment.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
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July 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
LMN -
Exactly. He stunk and was still better than Burgess or “revolving door” Sands. J Rich was good at run stopping from behind but had problems when teams ran at him. We have 3 of those guys back. Haven’t really addressed it have we?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
# MR (CLONE) Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Al discovered Gruden? It was the other way around!
….
Real MR response:
While Gruden didn’t discover Al (obviously), Al didn’t discover Gruden, either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxSgiGfXbo
July 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Carter played for the Panthers not the Cowboys. Kiffin and Ryan are just fine working together. Ryan has been given some very good to great players on defense to fill the holes and he has one year to prove he really is a coach. Davis runs the Defense anyways. No way was Sapp our best linemen vs the run-he was to busy fighting his way out of the wash-LOL. You have some good statements “coach”, but as for Gruden the reason it’s even a topic is because dumb A$$ MR keeps guessing-and NOTHING in the form of updated information is coming out of Oakland-what else are we going to do while we wait for July 23rd HUH???
July 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Dilfer has retired….
July 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Speaking of systems and Al Davis. Cut Blocking Schemes, West Coast Offense?????
He’s really lost his way. It’s an admission he’s lost and grasping.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
“Coach on Wheels”..
I don’t want to be like a bunch of other Raider “skeptics” and continue to worry about things that happened LAST year…I’d like to think that the coaches, etc like the team they have..that’s what training camp is for..maybe Sands, Kelly, etc can stop the run…never had the opportunity on a weekly basis to play with Sapp here..everyone forgets the TE is solid..Miller, with the threat of the running game will open up the receivers at some point..LT, let’s see how quick JR gets passes off and how everyone adapts to Cable’s scheme..Lincoln Kennedy was a BUST in ATL and came here, with the great WIZ by his side, and become a Pro Bowler..pint is, let the players play and coaches coach..this aint ‘04, 05, or ‘06
July 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
92591…
see post 686 =)
July 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
LMN - opps on the Carter reference. He was a back up in Carolina who with Steve Smith banged up had an even thinner WR corps than Dallas and he is here now. Hope he and JR hook up big time but I’ll still reserve judgement until he proves he’s not another J Morant camp wonder.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
#684…
Madden
Flores
Shanahan
Shell
White
…follow me?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
COW…
true… and its of course most fans biggest concern; to stop the run, that and LT… I have faith in Cable and Brad Roll so LT isn’t my biggest concern… So its like entering a horror movie… this season that is….
July 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“If Al had not discovered Gruden,”
…..
Are you insane?
Where did you get it into your head that Al discovered Gruden? I know you can’t read but can you watch a 10 second video clip? 5 teams were highly interested in Gruden before ‘98. The Eagles were holding their balls to the fire and demanding compensation. Then again, maybe the league doctored this fake video of FoxNFL Sunday and James Brown… LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxSgiGfXbo
July 9th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
A lot of teams had a good coach or two followed by a few retreads…
July 9th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Eric Farrell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Maybe if Gruden would’ve passed to the TE’s more in the 2000 AFC Championship against Baltimore instead of being a hard ass and trying to run, playing into BAL’s hands, they would’ve won that game.
……
I’m glad Gruden got us there to begin with. If Al had gone with one of his puppets like Bugel instead of hiring Gruden, that team never would have been built, and we also would have very likely just completed our 11th straight last place season.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
COW….
I was really happy about the carter hire, I think and hope he’ll be here for long time, during last season I argumented for taller receivers for Jammy, and suggested Drew Carter at the time… him and earnest wilford, Im glad we got Carter, he is way faster. but I got pissed Denver got Keary Colbert… Im sad to admit I liked the guy… notice the paste tense, please =)
July 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Any other 19-61 GM would be FIRED.
I’m hoping his partners are beginning to draw a bead on him.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
mygod people give it a rest…i’ve been on this post for about 4 months now, and every thread eventually turns into bash gruden bash davis, jam sessions. Its fairly frustrating to have the same conversation over and over again…. how many carries do u expect mcfadden to get, what do you think are passs to rush ratio will be, you think curry or walker will have a bigger year, how many games will we sale out, and if the raiders are such a bad franchise, why are we usually on national television opening day?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
92591 Raider Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
“Davis runs the Defense anyways. ”
……
Then just what is Rob Ryan’s job?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Wow, Gruden was highly sought after in NFL circles..no one out of those circles knew who the f*ck he was..what I remember about Philly’s offense in those days in Ricky Watters cussiing toward the O.C’s box in the ‘Vet that the play calling sucked..yes, cussing at Grudes..see where the YouTube video on that is
July 9th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Eric,
Part of what makes a consistent winner in coaching and organizational terms is evaluating talent. Ignoring past performance means ignoring how good Miller looks at TE. You can try to have it both ways but it never works.
Sands is the biggest (figurativly and literally) joke on this board and on our roster. His “potential” is non-existant. HE IS ON THE BACK END OF HIS CAREER. He has had one mediocre season in almost a decade of playing time. You don’t hang your hat on that kind of guy.
I’m not a skeptic. I’m a realist. JR is still a rookie. If Harris can’t pass block, Miller will have to help and there goes the opening of passing lanes. Having depth at RB is nice but only one guy can carry the ball at a time. The closest thing we have to a deep threat is a guy who is 29 and overweight and coming off his third knee surgery and acts like a retard.
This team should know by now (and its fans) that so called potential and talent on paper mean nothing come Sunday.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Eric Farrell, the point being made is that Al Davis didn’t “discover” jack. Gruden was already well known and sought after as an upstart head coach, by 5 different teams. You and Bo need to get that through the metal plates in your heads.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
MR. do me a favor. Declare yourself. Raider hater. or Raider Fan?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
LMN - I like the Carter signing too. I liked it far more than the Walker signing. We may need Carter to be our #1 WR come fall.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
#701…yeah right…conservative ass offense, then Cally takes the handcuffs off, and you think to yourself, why wasn’t Gruden passing like hell, coupled with the threat that the running game was? Stuuborn ass hard baller rolled the dice in the playoffs and lost. Gruden’s best game calling, in my opinion> the 2002 Wild Card playoff against the Jets..came out aggressive, ho huddle to start the game, determined to win. Then went conservative in the snow…go figure
July 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
# mcfaddenswagon Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
“MR. do me a favor. Declare yourself. Raider hater. or Raider Fan?”
…..
Raider fan. For the hundredth time.
Now, declare yourself: Grossly ill-informed on modern day NFL competition and Al Davis’s inability to adapt, or mental retard?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
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July 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
707…
your opinion, man…the way you make it sound, it is absolutely, positively no WAY that Sands could be, just might be, may be a factor..I say we’ll see
July 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
# Eric Farrell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
“..I say we’ll see”
………
White towel.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
# Coach on Wheels Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
LMN - I like the Carter signing too. I liked it far more than the Walker signing. We may need Carter to be our #1 WR come fall.
______________________________________________________
yup… and in the beginning of june I said Javon was my biggest worry on offense not LT… I got a lot of bashing for doubting in him that soon… but then again it was prior to the vegas incident =)
July 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
All I want is for Al to hire a GM and hold that person accountable.
I guess he just can’t step out of the spotlight, and the adoration of the cult.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Javon Walker isn’t the solve, all, only answer for the WR’s..remember Marques Colston? Someone gave the guy a chance to make plays, now, YOU know who he is. Curry can catch, quit with all the “skeptic” talk about being injured, Carter is here, Higgins is here, Shields is here, Miller is here, hell, McFadden is here..
July 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
woooo interesting… jax to LA and under greek hands
July 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
don’t wave white towels in the flatlands, oldtimer..
July 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Come on, you guys, would you just watch the YouTube link already, for the love of Pete?! I realize it doesn’t really diminish the fact that Al took a huge chance hiring the guy, but, doggone it, watch it. Please.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Looking good on paper has never been the Raider’s problem.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
“MR”=
Skeptic..
don’t come in here being all apologetic when something good happens this year..being skeptical like you are has me wondering if you’d rather be right and watch the Raiders lose and prove you RIGHT than see the team win…
July 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Ok, fine. I admit that Al Davis still knows what he’s doing. Is that what you want to hear?
July 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
F*ck that decade old You Tube clip…
July 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Troll,
“Knows what he’s doing”
He gives 16 million guaranteed to a guy with known documented problems, and the guy promptly goes down to Las Vegas, DURING OTA”s and get’s his face kicked in.
What kind of management is that, troll?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
COW, Sands is entering his 6th year in the league and played very little prior to last year. He comes from UT Chattanooga. Even with 6 years in the league the guy has very little actual mileage on him. Doubtful he is about done. Most biggger players don’t really start to hit their strides til late 20-s and most are very productive into their mid 30’s.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I know that I should wait to see how Walker does on the field, first, before jumping to any conclusions, but I just can’t help myself: he is definitely a bust. I know this for sure. I can see into the future — Randy Moss taught me how, at Safeway one time. We used a head of lettuce as a makeshift crystal ball.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Somebody was going to sign Walker, he had interest..go back and look it up like you all go fishing for those decade old YouTube clips of Grudes
July 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Nine words for Davis haters:
IT’S…NOT…YOUR…MONEY..HE NEEDED…A…WIDE…RECEIVER…!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I just don’t see the reason behind your actions MR. Do you get off getting other raider fans mad at your reckless comments. Do you get off having most of the bloggers at this site thinking that your a raider hater. I dont see nothing positive coming from your comments, all you do is attack other peoples opinions, and claim you have superior nfl knowledge when in reality all you do is surf the web looking for more people like you, with your shared opinions.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Wise men know when to delegate. Wiser men know when to retire. Some of us–very wise indeed–hate what Davis has done to the team. We can hold two thoughts in our head simultaneously. Being a fan, even a hard core one, doesn’t mean suspending your critical faculties. Because Davis operates in a hermetic world of yes men (and women), I think it’s absolutely critical for the media and fans to hold him accountable for what’s happened to this franchise. Consider: he damages the very thing he wants to help. Walker is the latest example, a complete, unnecessary but predictable fiasco. Many a good man has hung on too long, done in by their own hubris. Hang Davis’ portrait on that mantle.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Yes he WAS desperate for a speed wide reciever because the guy he drafted last year Jhonnie Lee Higgins show absolutely NO promise.
Desperation = signing and overpaying Javon Vegas Walker.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Regarding post #731-bingo! He’s just here to rile up all you newbies. He’s a whiner fan. Criticize Joe Montana and Bill Walsh and he melts down faster than Frosty the Snowman in Havana.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I agree… I still have faith in Sands, but I gotta admit its reduced to ‘faith’ and not longer expectations…
But I think that the arriving of Brad Roll, will be paramount to Sands stopping the run…
I know how it is to lose a Mother, so I give him that season to dwell… But I think he’ll be okay this season
July 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I can’t speak for MR, but I do it becuase listening to all you cultists going on and on about how great the Raiders are is nauseating.
I like winning, you guys like ass kissing
July 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Marc, do you NOT think he knows what has happened to the franchise?? Who do you think is under the MOST pressure in all of this?? It’s Davis. As a matter of fact, changing this thing around quickly is probably his top priority AND ALSO the number one reason things have gone so far south. Davis is trying to get this ship fixed fast, so he’s made mistakes in haste. Rehiring Shell being one of them.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I laugh at so called Raider fans who say the root for the Silver and Black then talk about all the things that WORRY them about the team..no kind of optimism, just pessimism…where I’m from thats called being on the fence…you either with them or against them, period…
July 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Javon Walker seemed necessary because all the other Davis scholarship speed guys turned out to be useless.
I can’t even remember their names, somebody help me.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
The only thing that worries me this year is that we wont sell out everygame. Cuz nothing in the bay rocks like a sold out oakland colisium.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Nah Farrell
That’s BS. I’m a fan, not a groupie.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
There are a lot of people in the Bay Area and other parts of the country who don’t agree with all of AL’s decisions, but Al Davis put the Raiders on the map back in the day, and most die hard, hard core fans still appreciate that to this DAY..a five year losing streak is not enough to shake real Raider fans optimism..they go with the flow and hope for the best..if the worts comes, out, saddle up for next year..most of you all act like your some unofficial Raider spokesperson or something and what you say is bond..”MR” is pure B.S..
July 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
The only happy fan is a winning fan. You people, are groupies.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
742…lol..
but yeat here you are, here in the Raider blog, everyday, when it’s not even football season…you’re here in FEB, MAR, APR, MAY, JUNE, and NOW…
yes, you are a groupie…it’s cool, no one cares
July 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Thank you Eric. You guys I know literally hundreds of Raider fans across the globe. I know absolutely NONE that only talk about 19-61, the last five years, 19-61, the last five years, Al is awful, Kiffin is gone, Gruden saved the franchise, 19-61, the last five years, the last five years, the last five years, 19-61. I do know tons of SF Phony Whiner fans that say crap tho.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Farrell,
More BS, there’s a lot of local fans here, who go back way before you, that are saying the same things I am.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Why do you think the stadium is not sold out every week?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Sorry KK, I know tons of fans that will criticize the organization and Davis too, me included, but the ones that ONLY do it, are poseurs.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
This offseason is the best thing thats happened to the raiders since…..we’ll since lane kiffin.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Actually, KK since the Raiders took over ticket sales last year from the City of Oakland, 7 out of 8 home games sold out. And this year ticket sales are higher.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Oakglenn,
Fact 19-61.
Now you come up with one.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
The last 5 seasons have been tough, we sucked horrible, couldnt tackle a 5 year old. But this offseason we’ve taken huge strides, and there is hope, imagine what this chat room would be say we made no moves, and drafted say gholston.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
My Pops has been living here in the Bay Area and could give a rat’s ass that the team went 2-14 in ‘06 and 4-12 in ‘07..and he’s not just kissing and singing the praises of Al Davis’ every move all day long..he is, what most of you ASPIRE to be, a true fan, like the guy in the firefighter hat at all the Jets’ game…a representer, a fan, of the team that represents their home town..but most of you soft ass tuna melts don’t know anything about that, because you gre up in some small ass town like Fremont, Dublin, Pleasanton, etc that has NOTHING to represent them
July 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Who let the cowboy in this thread? Don’t you have to hitch your horse outside the saloon somewhere? Let’s see–”you’re either with us or against us”–where have I heard that before?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Kiffen would be hung to dry, and Al davis would be eating alive.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Thank JaMarcus for that.
Most of the fans I know love the raiders hate Al Davis. LA broke it with a lot of them.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Farrell,
Maybe you should let your dad do the talking, and quit embarrassing him
Dublin, Pleasonton, Fremont was the base of the Raider Nation in the 60′ and 70’s
July 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I won’t dispute #756, the move did make some mad..but so what? Everyone I knew who liked them then still like ‘em now..
July 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
You know what i’m looking foward to, is going to the game, and having fans cheering are team and routing them on, not mumbling curse words bout al davis, calling kiffen a lame duck, blaming rob ryan…etc this year we have real talent on both sides, it can only go up guys. Yes we are all going to scream at jamarcus every now and then as he will make his mistakes, but hey thats what qbs do make the decisions on the field.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Do any of the “doubters” in here read any other news besides ESPN, PFT, and this blog? There is a real good, historical pro football website, http://www.jt-sw.com. I’m sure a lot of you have seen it..but go look at that, look at all NFL teams record over the past thirty years, and come back and tell me if “19-61 in five years” in really that big a deal in the big scheme of things
July 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Until then i sit here in my cubicle and wait, patiently with my fellow raider fans, and the inevitable raider haters, as we are the team you love to hate… blame AL baby….there the rest of the league then theres us.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Whats the difference between a Raider fan and a king sized twat?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Mismanagement:
He leaves Oakland, where he sold out year after year, winning everything in sight, waiting lists for tickets. Moves to LA for greener pastures. F’d that up and moves back to his original stadium to half empty houses, then promptly sues the city for 1 Billion Dollars.
Can you spell M-i-s-m-a-n-g-e-m-e-n-t ?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
YES, Al Davis has taken his risks but hey without taking those risks where would he be? You can call him all you want, lord knows i’ve had my days where i just wished he rolled over or passed the torch, but the man turned it around this offseason…and he has to know something about something to be in the shoes he’s in today at his age.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
A Raider fan knows Super Bowls.. a king sized twat, like CLE, has never won a Super Bowl..just like SD hasn’t, KC hasn’t in 40 years, the Jets 30+, PHI never, DET never, MIN never, ARI, never..and plenty more
July 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Raider fan wakes up every morning saying WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait for the start of the season!!
This is the year, baby!!!!!
King sized twats wake up and say
Al Davis is old.
We went 16 and 50.
I hate Al
Gruden is my favorite coach
Ron Wolf made the Raiders what they are today.
Al Davis stole my lunch money
I wish we were like the pats or the cowboys.
Why cant Al step down?
King sized twats need a vinager rinse
July 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
haha yeah dat pretty much describes the two types of fans we have here.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Golly, the way everyone in here talks makes me think that Al isn’t a deity after all!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
al davis stole my lunch money killed it haha
July 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I guess that’s the difference between the old-timers and the younger generation of Raider fans.
I grew up winning, expect to win.
Younger generation fans are happy with being better that the Falcons. Different mind sets.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I am 51
July 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
KK,
Everyone who is a fan expexts the team to win. Just that there are some who are realize that no matter what they say, Al will run the team his way and no other. After realizing this, we also realize that anything we say about Al means nothing to him and won’t affect his way of conducting business.
Until a lot of seats are empty and merchandise stops selling, Al will never consult public opinion for any of his decisions.
So, at this point, you need to decide as a fan whether you cheer for the team or not. And you need to decide whether to be positive about what you have or negative about what you don’t have.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
You don’t sound like it, lady.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
its all about the super bowl….we took strides to get there this offseason compared to the last 5 offseasons, give us young fans a break its looking a little brighter this year. We have a chance for the playoffs.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
and we got 2 young studs that we can watch grow and develop in front of us and see where they take the team period
July 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Nothing makes you appreciated winning more that losing.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Bedpan,
I will always root for the Raiders. No need to question my patriotism. I dislike George Bush as well, and I will not keep quiet while he ruins my country. Stand Up.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Bedpan,
A lot of players, teams, people don’t know what winning is. They have to be taught. That’s what Gruden and Kiffin are trying to do. Instill a winning culture, attitude to an orgnization and players not used to it.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
through all the great sports moments this year, when the raiders drafted Mcfadden, it was the most joy I recieved from sports all of 2008.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
KK
WTF? What has my post have to do with politics????
July 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
# MR (CLONE) Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Come on, you guys, would you just watch the YouTube link already, for the love of Pete?! I realize it doesn’t really diminish the fact that Al took a huge chance hiring the guy, but, doggone it, watch it. Please.
,……
Real MR response:
The video was posted to refute the hideous claims that Al Davis “discovered” Gruden. I said a few days ago that I would post that video every time someone in here remotely made the suggestion that Al Davis was somehow the founder of Jon Gruden. Madden? Yes. Davis gets props for that. But if some retard in here is going to make the claim that Al Davis discovered Jon Gruden they’d might as well commit to their insanity and just say that Al Davis discovered light, too. Gruden was already sought after. Davis was part of a herd trying to get him.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
ite guys its go time, keep your heads up raider nation, don’t be to hard on each other. We will be exciting and teams will not look foward to playin us.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Bedpan,
Can you spell A-n-a-l-o-g-y ?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
KK,
Winning starts among individuals first and not from coaches. I don’t care how talented you are, if you do not have a drive to win, you will never have one.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
haha kettle meet pot
July 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Eric Farrell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
“MR”=
Skeptic..
don’t come in here being all apologetic when something good happens this year..
……
Sure. Like saying, “Don’t come in here all apologetic if I win the Super Lotto!!”.
It’s not going to happen. This Raider team is not geared to win more than 6 games. If the Kiffin drama is true, it won’t win more than 2, considering Kiffin will be gone by October and we’ll probably lose out at that point. Maybe win one more game. Hey, guess that will be the one good thing you’re referring to. Our 3rd win… Why would I need to apologize? Seems to me in that instance I would have called it.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
KK
I understand an analogy, I just remembered how heated the posts got when everyone was talking politics a while back and don’t want to revist that sh*t again.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
#771 sums it up
I am all in.
No time for bitching and moaning
save that for the KST’s of the world.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Bedpan,
A lot of players, teams, people don’t know what winning is. They have to be taught. That’s what Gruden and Kiffin are trying to do. Instill a winning culture, attitude to an orgnization and players not used to it.
Exactly.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Pot meet pan. Pan meet griddle. Griddle meet wok. yada yada yada
July 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
# Eric Farrell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
F*ck that decade old You Tube clip…
……
F*ck the idiots in here who keep saying that Davis discovered Gruden, like you and Bo Slimpecker. It’s because of you special olympic medalists that I have to post the video to begin with. Stop claiming Davis founded Gruden, and the video’s gone. It’s that simple.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
MR,
You are a broken record. You remind me of Al Franken.
Later all
July 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Team of the decades. Went to 5 and just barely missed out on another 5. No team has done that.
Al said he was gonna take us there again before he goes and I believe him.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
because I can
July 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Al Davis will go down as the best owner in the history of the NFL. He changed the game, and was a very influential leader of the NFL.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
mcfaddenswagon Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I just don’t see the reason behind your actions MR. Do you get off getting other raider fans mad at your reckless comments. Do you get off having most of the bloggers at this site thinking that your a raider hater.
……
Who are these “bloggers” you guys keep referring to? Jerry McDonald is the only blogger here.
If you don’t like what I have to say, scroll on to the next comment. Don’t try and refute me with your pygmy darts and then whine when I put you out like a cigarette but. If you can’t take the heat…
July 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Thanks Oakglenn, sheeeesh.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Who cares who founded Gruden. THat guy is one and done.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Who was one of the only FIVE individuals assigned to picking the new NFL commissioner?
Hand picked by Tagliaboob himself, Mr. Al Davis? Why you ask? Because the NFL respects Al’s wisdom and knowledge of the game.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
fyi espn’s insider listing of the top 32 team receiving corps.
27. Oakland Raiders
The Raiders added Javon Walker and Drew Carter and drafted Arman Shields in the fourth round. Walker is a big-play threat who has the ability to attack all levels. However, he does have durability issues and has left two teams (Denver and Green Bay) on bad terms. Ronald Curry is a solid No. 2 who runs good routes and has soft hands. He is a good athlete and has overcome a lot during his NFL career. Carter is a fast, explosive receiver with the speed to stretch the defense but is not a polished route-runner and struggled to fill the No. 2 role in Carolina. Johnnie Lee Higgins is an intriguing young player who plays fast and aggressively. Despite all the activity during the offseason there is uncertainty about this group.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Who cares about Chucky!! No more Gruden talk, he isn’t a Raider, and never was obviously. So move the “f” on.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Regarding post #731-bingo! He’s just here to rile up all you newbies. He’s a whiner fan. Criticize Joe Montana and Bill Walsh and he melts down faster than Frosty the Snowman in Havana.
…..
As I’m sure you’re referring to me; You guys can criticize Walsh and Montana all you want. Any Niner, for that matter. But I will defend Gruden. His system and players got us to our first Super Bowl since Ronald Reagan was president.
Hey, you guys are the ones always putting Walsh on a pedestal (due to his Davis compliments), not me.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
STFU FoolKell!! I care about Gruden, I love him, I have a man crush on him and I want him badly.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Who cares about Chucky!! No more Gruden talk, he isn’t a Raider, and never was obviously. So move the “f” on.
……
LOL.
And if I don’t?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I do care about Gruden deeply. Oh very deeply… mmmm
July 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
MR
This is a football blog, please leave your fantasies to another blog.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
MR: if we no huddled baltimore’s fat and over weight defensive line in 2000-2001 we would have won a bowl.
If we went for it on 4 and 1/2 foot when Garner was running all over NE in the snow and the big OL was pushing NE back in the 4th qtr then we’d had an opportunity to repeat. Although, I believe PItt would have destroyed our slow ass defense and we were lucky to play NE in the snow where they’re speed was a non-factor.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Troll,
Are you about to snap?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
You guys are hi-larious. No one discovers anyone in this league. Shoot players are scouted from the time they are single digit years old. Coaches from the time they are cleaning chalk boards for high school teams. It’s not who discovers who, it’s about who takes a chance on who.
So when you ask yourself “is it really that big a deal, who gives who a chance?” remember that Art Blank and Wayne Huzienga took a chance on Bob Petrino and Nick Saban,and that was widely accepted as not really taking much of a chance. Both those franchises drafted ahead of the Raiders for crissakes. There ya go.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Marc, do you NOT think he knows what has happened to the franchise?? Who do you think is under the MOST pressure in all of this?? It’s Davis.
……
Oh, what a joke!
There is no pressure on Al Davis at all.
Davis knows he has you idiots who’ll back each and every play of his. He knows you guys will still buy tickets. He knows he has you 40,000 or so dead heads that will follow him off of a cliff like gypsies. And, he plays on your guys’ loyalty left and right.
It enabled him to run Gruden out of town.
It enabled him to hire Norv Turner.
It enabled him to sign Kerry Collins, with the serious intention of making him a starter.
It enabled him to hire Art Shell…again.
It enabled him to sign Aaron Brooks, with the serious intention of making him a starter.
Any other owner has lost his fan base, just like that.
Al Davis knows he can crap on himself and throw it on the wall, and you guys will be right to tell everyone that he’s still sharp as a whip, and then immediately renew your season tickets.
Al Davis has absolutely ZERO pressure with a legion of mindless worshipers, like you.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Answer me Troll, because I am losing it. I can’t take this anymore, I am at my whits end.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
You didn’t have much wit to begin with, troll
July 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
MR -
What about those of us who don’t have season tickets? Does your “crap on a wall” theory explain us as well?
BTW, where does this leave you then? Or are you the dude that eats the crap on the wall?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I like the little smiley things
July 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I feel like this
when trolls try and use my nick. It doesn’t make me very :-). What makes me 
is when the Raiders win. It even makes me lol.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Troll,
Do you fantasize about me, at night?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I don’t know who troll is, but I sure wish I did. I think I am actually fantasizing that there is actually a Troll.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Sorry KK, I know tons of fans that will criticize the organization and Davis too, me included,
…..
LOL! I’m yet to see you do it, liar. You’ve only criticized Al in the past tense. Sure. Hindsight’s 20/20, d*ckhead. Of course even a Davis loyalist can now admit Art Shell was a mistake. But you see, us smart fans called it from the start. That’s the difference between us and you. You’ve never in your lifetime criticized an Al Davis decision in the present sense, and you never will. Minions like you just don’t have that capacity for pro-active thought. Al moves, you react, with support. Period. There is no criticism, ever. Even when you know he has no clue what he’s doing, which is 90% of the time.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
You’d think that Idiot JON BECKER OR THE MODERATOR would ban one of us, no?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Who is Jon Becker?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
And where is the written rule that I can’t use whatever name I want?
OMG, am I talking to myself again?? I hate it when I do that
July 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
JON BECKER IS THE ONLINE EDITOR, you would think he or THE MODERATOR would ban one of us.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Ok guys I’m out!! Enjoy the rest of your night. Anyone else posting from this point forward is the Troll. Later.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Ban us for what?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Actually, KK since the Raiders took over ticket sales last year from the City of Oakland, 7 out of 8 home games sold out. And this year ticket sales are higher.
……
When Gruden was here we used to sell out with the high ticket prices. Lowering prices to fill seats is not success. It’s desperation. I’ve never taken a business course but for christ’s sake, all you have to do is not be a retard to understand the basics.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Are you ashamed of you own moniker?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Or am I ashamed because someone is using mine? I am so confused… Still don’t know why they would ban us , me, we, you???
OMG, I hear voices… stop…..
July 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Eric Farrell Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Do any of the “doubters” in here read any other news besides ESPN, PFT, and this blog? There is a real good, historical pro football website, http://www.jt-sw.com.
……
Sure. When you get tired of the current state of the Raiders, you go deep into the history vaults.
Most normal sports fans occasionally review their team’s history. Davis loyalists do it on a daily freakin’ basis. It’s all they have.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
MR Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Marc, do you NOT think he knows what has happened to the franchise?? Who do you think is under the MOST pressure in all of this?? It’s Davis.
……
Oh, what a joke!
There is no pressure on Al Davis at all.
______________________________________________________
DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! We now have have the single most ignorant statement ever on the blog!!!!!
Of course!!!!!!!! Everyone loves to be ridiculed on every major national broadcast!!! Everyone loves to be skewered by the National and Local Press at every turn. Who doesn’t love to be treated as a joke???? Especially on Nationally syndicated broadcasts????
You know what I love best…when the Raiders are getting smashed 35-3 on a Monday Nite or Sunday Nite game who do they show on National TV??????? Not me. No pressure there. I would love being shown on National TV looked at by 40 million people as a laughing stock. Shoot who wouldn’t love that??? Oh right, MR. He would be the only person on earth who would somehow think HE WAS THE ONE Getting over. What a complete MORON!!!! MoRon’s trailer could get swept up in a tornado, smashed to the size of a pea, and deposited 40 miles away, and he would be the only one on the planet to think he kicked the tornado’s ass.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
They would ban you because I used this name first. It’s mine and nobody else can use it. It’s all mine, I have this name with a patent, so you can’t use it, only I can. And no, this isn’t a free country.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Why don’t you seek help?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
# Andrews mom Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Whats the difference between a Raider fan and a king sized twat?
…..
Tell us, Andrew. What is the difference between a Raider fan and your wife’s mid section?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Why don’t you seek help?
I am talking to myself again. Somebody please respond to my posts. I don’t like talking to myself.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
MODERATOR ARE YOU HERE?
I can’t keep him talking forever, call 911.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
NEW POST !!
July 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Answer, Andrew:
A Raider fan wakes up every morning going “whoo hooo…but don’t turn on ESPN. I just want to watch my Raiders’ history DVD. The present is too depressing. And, it’s all conjecture…”.
Your wife’s pinoche wakes up every morning and says, “Relax, hon, it happens to all guys..”
July 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Troll,
You said you hear voices. Any of them Al Davis?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Hello Troll, you still there?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Hopefully the Mods got him.
Peace/Out
July 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Wow MR you are stupider with every post. But then again you’re the only one who could be shat on by everyone here and think it’s Chanel No. 5.
I don’t even know where to start here. I’ve said I could criticize Al Davis all day, but what good would it do?? I’d rather let women like you do the bitching. It’s what you do best: bitch.
MR Says:
When Gruden was here we used to sell out with the high ticket prices. Lowering prices to fill seats is not success. It’s desperation. I’ve never taken a business course but for christ’s sake, all you have to do is not be a retard to understand the basics.
Well maybe you can understand simple math, but probably not. The team did NOT sell out under Gruden. I should know. I go to every game. Even some of the playoff games were not sold out. They have not lowered ticket prices, not in the lower sections which is what people want. They have raised them. Not substantially, but they have raised them. Once the City of Oakland was out of the way, and the Raiders took over their own ticket sales, they have done a much better job of marketing the team and selling out the stadium. But how would you know that MR??? Aren’t you going to SF Whiner games???
July 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
My wifes growler would chew you up and spit you out.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
MoRons brain must be melting. It must be 130 degrees inside his trailer at the Down Home Trailer Park, Interstate 5 and Fruitridge Rd, Sacramento!
July 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
MR was calling for Art Shell to come back during the 2005 season saying he’s the only guy that could come in and fix this mess, now he says he called it from the beginning that he would be a failure…Also MR, to restate what other people said, the sellouts have been more frequent during the past few years with the losing seasons than they during Gruden’s tenure and you don’t need a business course to understand that, just the ability to read english.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Ooohh yeahh… In exactly 29days we will be getting our first look at the 2008 RAIDERS!! Pre-season is just around the corner! Oh man, can’t wait. JR, DM and finally get to see MB after a 2 years of no action. Man he must be hungry. How will Kwame look by then?
I don’t expect everything to be running smoothly at first. After all, we do got a new QB, 2 RBs and a new LT. And I would suspect that Kiffin still has a lot of figuring out to do with his new talents. A fairly good showing is what I’m looking for with significant progress as the pre ends and the season begins.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Of course MR, you realize that NOBODY interviewed Jon Gruden for a head coaching job except Al Davis. The only other interview that Gruden got was a job for an OC with Jerry Jones. Also, Gruden told the story that he came out here for an interview in 97′ but they hired Bugel instead. So I don’t think it’s out of line for someone to say Al found Gruden when NOBODY was in the process of hiring the guy.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Where’d MoRon go??? The outhouse at his trailer park must be backed up or something. He probably was elected to go clean it out and thinks it’s an honor to go clean out the “crappin’ seat”.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
LOL…
I read post 842 and did a simple google search, here´s what I found:
- MR posting on raiderfans.net on 10-20-2005:
“The fastest way for Al Davis to clean up his current MESS is to retire, and hand the team over to someone who can bring our team back to it’s success that it saw in 2000.
Art Shell would be good enough for me.”
- Now here´s what MR said today, post 817 to be precise:
“Of course even a Davis loyalist can now admit Art Shell was a mistake. But you see, us smart fans called it from the start.”
July 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
what’s up! haven’t been on for a while. anyways I’ve just been bored, so I looked at the top 09 draft prospects and would say these people should be on the top of our list for next year’s draft.
WR: one of these guys could be our “Culpepper to Moss” Combo with JaMarcus Russell
Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
Height: 6′3 - Weight: 222
His numbers are inflated by Texas Tech’s system, but Crabtree is a Calvin Johnson-esque type of talent. He has the size, speed and hands to be a number one receiver in the NFL.
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
Height: 6′3 - Weight: 195
Heyward-Bey is the second best receiver in this class, and we haven’t even scratched the surface yet. The sky is the limit for this prospect.
Percy Harvin, Florida
Height: 5′11 - Weight: 181
Harvin might be the next Steve Smith. He’s the kind of receiver that doesn’t have to run a deep route to get the ball down field.
OLB: Could make our LB position in probowl shape for a long time.
Marcus Freeman, Ohio State
Height: 6′2 - Weight: 242
Freeman is another big OLB, who moves well for his size. He can play inside if needed. Freeman is at his best when he drops into coverage.
Note: I didn’t put any d-line men or o-line men assuming that terdell sands, tommy kelly, kwane harris, and/or mario henderson play to their full potential this year.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
After all is said and done, Al Davis is A-Ok with me. I get on his case sometimes but I love and respect the man.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
LOL!!! looks like MoRon got “Marleyed” again!!! He is ONCE AGAIN proven to be a liar and a fraud!!! Thanks for skewering by RF Net Reminder. I love you guys!! Can’t wait to see his expression once he gets back from cleaning out the “crappin’ seat.”
July 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Of course everyone here knows that MR or MoRon as he likes to be called, got banned from Raiderfans.net once that photo of him playing with his dog “montana”, dressed in his little 49er jammies, throwing a 49er football around got posted.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
You can review my posts at any Raider site and see that when Shell was hired, once it became obvious to me that he was nothing more than a puppet, I had zero faith in him. In fact, you can see that I was calling it in the ‘06 pre season, and you can see people at RF,net criticizing me for passing judgment based on pre season performance. But in the pre season, you could see Shell was giving way to Davis’s control.
Shell, Walsh, whoever, called two really good games in the pre season that year, one against SF and one against, I believe, Detroit. In those games, we ran the ball like 40 times a piece. And I was telling everyone there that if Shell kept that up, we’d be good again.
Then we play Seattle in our final pre season game, and we’re back to ditching the run. We go to the air, and look awful. I pointed that out, on RF.net, and got killed for it because it was only pre season (interestingly, they didn’t downplay my praise the previous two weeks under the same premise).
We play SD in week one. No run.
We didn’t run the ball all year.
Now, it’s not like we had LT. But our first string showed in two preseason games that we can definitely establish something on the ground.
Now, Marley, you can go back to rf.net and see that I was denouncing Shell in the pre season of ‘06, right after that Seattle pre season game. But of course, you’re not seeking the truth. You’re seeking to discredit me, so I doubt you’ll do it. You got what you wanted. Who needs the whole story? But I did certainly call it that Shell would be a worthless puppet before the ‘06 reg season got under way.
I saw Shell as the old Art Shell that Al Davis first hired in the ’80s. I thought he would be just like Gruden. No nonsense. As soon as I realized he was actually the hapless Art Shell we canned in ‘94, which was by the final pre season game, I’d given up on him, while most were telling me, “Art Shell will bring back the toughness, mark my words”. Look up how many times I mocked that phrase on RF.net. That phrase is pretense, hence, Art “will bring back”..the toughness. Before the season started, I was saying, “no, he won’t”. And it’s right there at rf.net, if anyone wants to google and give it a read.
Now, Marley. See, I don’t have to run and hide from my b.s. I’m right sometimes, and wrong sometimes, but I’ve been clear about one thing since Gruden was traded, we need another coach like him. Some no nonsense go getter who will thumb his nose at Davis and his stupid philosophies. That’s been my M.O. since registering to that stupid RF.net snoozer.
No fence riding here. I just flat out misjudged Art Shell. I thought he was a stand up guy. It only took me a pre season of football to realize he wasn’t. It took idiots like Oakglenn till the very second Al canned him.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Of course everyone here knows that MR or MoRon as he likes to be called, got banned from Raiderfans.net once that photo of him playing with his dog “montana”, dressed in his little 49er jammies, throwing a 49er football around got posted.
MR say it aint so dude!!! defend ur self!!!! a dog named montanna disgusting
July 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
MR say it aint so dude!!! defend ur self!!!! a dog named montanna disgusting
…..
Oakglenn’s funny. But you’re not wondering, at least a little, just where he keeps getting these bestiality ideas? I sure am.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Read an article once that whatever sexual behavior guys joke about the most is the sexual behavior that they’re latently driven toward. I think if we saw Oakglenn’s internet history, we’d see just where the gay jokes and bestiality references are coming from. Frankly, I’ve never seen him put someone down without going to one of those two places. It’s pretty clear what’s going on with him, to anyone paying attention.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Oakglenn, as I’ve already said, Al Davis has no pressure with 40,000 or so idiots like you who’ll follow him off of a cliff. Al pressured with a fear of losing? Are you kidding me? Judging by most of his actions in the past 20 years, I’d be more inclined to think he enjoys losing for some perverse reason. Losing gives him an avenue to scapegoat employees who weren’t loyal to him. That drama has sort of taken on a life of it’s own in Al’s psyche. He’s far more concerned with which employees he can trust and which ones he can’t, than he is with winning. The owners afraid of losing just simply go out and hire the right people who’ll prevent them from losing. It’s obvious however that Al Davis views losing as a necessary means to an end to accomplish just whatever it is he’s trying to accomplish in his senile, demented mind.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
LOL!!! looks like MoRon got “Marleyed” again!!!
…..
If being “Marley’d” means having a quote fished up involving me supporting Shell that I’d clearly recanted on before Shell’s second tenure with us even started, then you’re right, I did get Marley’d.
I called Shell as a puppet after our final pre season game in ‘06. So, I did in fact call it. I didn’t support him out of blind loyalty until it was obvious he was going to be canned. Once I knew he wasn’t half the coach Gruden was, I was off board. And it was before the ‘06 season even started.
But Oakglenn, I do praise you for letting Marley fight your battles. Even though he’s full of it, he is a crafty politician and he knows how to debate on the internet. You’re skills are in cheering. It’s all you’re good at. Stick to it.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I wanted Shell back also then look how that turned out… so dont feel bad dude sometimes we get what we ask 4
July 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
it took the game with the chokers be 4 I was calling 4 shells head to roll
July 9th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I thought Shell was everything Gruden was until the final week of the ‘06 pre season. Anyone who googles me and rf.net can clearly look that up, too. I refuse to let a half truth sink me. Every time Marley or anyone brings up that quote, I’m going to put it in full context.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
408, I remember Shell/Walsh ran the ball like 40 times a piece vs. Detroit and SF in the preseason that year. I was going nuts. I thought Shell would be better than Gruden, if he kept that up. Even Gruden didn’t control the ball like that. The passing plays were sharp, too. Taking everything the defense gave. Of course, it’s pre season and they’re playing soft, anyway. But practice makes perfect. We did NOT run that offense once the regular season started. Heck, we didn’t even run it in our final pre season game against Seattle. I knew then that Shell got brow beat by the old man. “I didn’t sign Aaron Brooks to hand off the ball, gawd dammit..”. (the “gawd” spelling is courtesy of Marcus Allen, in his book. LOL)
July 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
but what about the jammies and the dog and the football? I can understand based on the fact that my in lays use to dress my son up in whiner gear and take pictures… that isht use to pi$$ me off big time
July 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Mr
yeah the 7 step dropps and no running game… =/ I was shure shell was going to make our Oline respectable again I guess thats why Im a fan and not working in the NFL… LOL
July 9th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Looks like we’re all being cloned today ,408. Glad to see you got my point on Shell. I know the real you from the fake you. So don’t worry.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I think Shell honestly tried, 408. He just didn’t have the heart to undermine Al. He’s part of that Raider family. Hangs out with the former players. He couldn’t let himself wind up on Gruden status, because that’s what would have happened if Shell just ran the team the way he wanted to. Shell was smart enough to look out for himself financially, though. Making sure his title was Head Coach instead of offensive line coach, which is what Al tried to list him as.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Bob Marley Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
LOL…
I read post 842 and did a simple google search, here´s what I found:
- MR posting on raiderfans.net on 10-20-2005:
“The fastest way for Al Davis to clean up his current MESS is to retire, and hand the team over to someone who can bring our team back to it’s success that it saw in 2000.
Art Shell would be good enough for me.”
- Now here´s what MR said today, post 817 to be precise:
“Of course even a Davis loyalist can now admit Art Shell was a mistake. But you see, us smart fans called it from the start.”
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lol
July 9th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
A man walks into a psychiatrist’s office wearing only underwear made of Saran Wrap.
The psychiatrist says, ‘Well…I can clearly see your nuts.’
July 9th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Dakota
2 more weeks and we get to see if ur boy McFadden is the real deal. I still think we would have been fine with Bush but hey 3 headed monster is fine with me.. nice joke BTW
July 9th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Also,OT Max Unger, Oregon
Height: 6′5 - Weight: 306
Max Unger will be the best zone blocking tackle in the 2009 draft. I forgot to put him up. #847
July 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
408,
I have no worries about McFadden…he will amaze us with his ability.
night all.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I think my life is at a crossroads. No one can tell the real me from my clones. Really makes my pathetic life seem all that much more irrelevant. I thought I was clever but no one else seems to notice. Don’t bother responding.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I hope I can sleep tonight… Later Nation
July 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
You know what cracks me up is that you guys think you’re so effing clever but YOU’RE NOT! So I said ‘from the start’ when it was actually ’since the last preseason game’ — big effing deal. Any objective/impartial observer would agree that I’m more right about this than your dumb, pathetic asses. I can’t believe I’m even stooping to your ignorant level. I will be proven right. Just wait. I’ll be back, losers.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
To all of the clonemeisters in here. Look, I’ve got nothing against it. But try not to have your clones insult themselves. It’s a dead giveaway. Who’s going to come on here and say, “I’m f’k animals?”. Well, maybe Oakglenn if he was drunk enough and felt the need to confess. But for the most part, people don’t insult themselves. Be subtle about it. For instance, say the thing that person would normally say, but then slip something provocative in there. Remember, the whole idea is to stir up s’t and turn everyone against the guy. That’s all you’re going to do with your clone. There is no other productive result. You’re not going to discredit that person, because in anonymous boards like this people are more known for their views than they are for their screen name. That’s why some of us are so easy to spot under new monikers. Like A.I. > Farting Tom. Just trying to help. Happy cloning, Oakglenn.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Here’s an example. In my next post, I’m going to clone you, Oakglenn. Watch and learn…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
What’s up Nation I see Mo Ron is still at it, even though he’s been Marley’d and has no credibility now. But that’s what Whiner fans do when they’re exposed, they run and hide like the douchebags they are. Now we can get back to talking football. I think Javon Walker is an idiot for getting in the situation he did. Acting like a thug (here comes the provocation..) is no way to behave yourself when you’ve just been given the contract of your lifetime. His momma should have taught him better (race baiting…i.e., “momma”, assuming he has no father..). Hopefully he gets his act together or AD’s going to make it rain on him.
(see, Oakglenn, under your name, I’ve now turned all of Walkers’ supporters against you. I’ve even invoked race. Just adds a dash of gasoline to the fire. Now, if this were real, there’d be some feedback within an hour and the next thing you know, you’re logging on to see that 5 people are having it out with you, when you’d been nowhere near your computer. That was your first lesson. We’ll try another one tomorrow.)
July 9th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Dude, you’re embarrasing yourself. Step away from the key board. Don’t bother responding.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
You know MoRon you’ve been humiliated over and over, you have absolutely no cred, it is time for you to go.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Bye MoRon. Take your little dog Montana, and your cute little 9er jammies, and go eff yourself.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Say it ain’t so Mo, Say it ain’t so……………
July 9th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Vegas Raider,
Where you been?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
LMN I was just kidding. I have no problem with soccer fans or Brøndby fans.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Oakglenn and MR…why don’t you guys take this on MSN or something…then you can score each other and taste each other’s sphincters and then make a big “poo poo pie” and smear it all over each other.
Come back and give us a report of how your corn holes taste when you’re done.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
why don’t you ram it cope
July 9th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Just giving you some cloning tips, Oakglenn. I didn’t mean to offend you. But you’re a lame clone artist. Everyone knows it’s you. From a mile away. Every single time. Somebody has to bring it to your attention.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
BO it’s definately NOT Robert Thomas…more likely WILLIAM Thomas…who we had signed from the Eagles.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Art Shell really doesn’t belong in this conversation - Leinert was a weak armed lefty from SC which Al probably did not want to do anyway - if Al really wanted Leinert, we’d have Leinert. I didn’t like Huff or Leinert out of college and wanted Ngata (or Ernie Sims if Ngata wasn’t there which he was) in the worst way. Anyway, coming out of college, we all knew that Huff was either a FS or CB and not a SS. He’s flat out not big enough to be SS. He played a rover position in college which doesn’t translate to any position in the NFL. Sticking him at Stu’s old position is not going to help b/c a 1 deep FS doesn’t do anything except play 20 yards off the ball and save touchdowns if a reciever makes a catch downfield. This D is archaic and no safety is going to look good in it.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:08 am
It’s just Bo Slimpecker revealing his inner Matchbox 20 fan.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:00 am
It is great to be back among friends and very wise Raider fans. A few of the many gems I enjoyed reading. Oakglenn #828 “Da Da…we now have single most ignorant staement ever on the blog!!!!
Bob Marly 846 doing a google search and finding where in 2005 Mr said that “Al Davis should step down and put the Raiders in the capable hands of Art Shell”
July 10th, 2008 at 1:12 am
McFaddenswagon 774 commenting on the future “2 young studs that we can watch grow and develop” EricFarrell764 pointing out to the critics “A Raider Fan Knows Super Bowls” La Milicia Negra735 sharing thoughts from her heart “I still have faith in Sands, but I gotta admit it’s reduced to ‘faith’ not expectation….I think he will be ok this season” oakglenn727″Sands played very little prior to last season..little actual mileage…most big men develop in late 20’s and play efectively into their 30’s
July 10th, 2008 at 1:29 am
I really missed all of you, and look forward to your posts to help me better understand my team. I am a very old Raider fan, that remembers Howard Cossell talking about Otis Sistrunk (who did not attend college) attending the “University of Mars”.
I believe our future as Raiders fans looks very good. I met Al Davis when Howie Long was a rookie, after a game. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Al Davis. To all the Al Davis haters…I challenge you to name three people that have had a greater inpact on Professional football. I hope that my Raiders can win Al another three Super Bowls.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:29 am
Its morning and I am off to work.
This is gonna be the best year ever for the RAIDERS!!
WE may not make the playoffs but that doesnt change this from being the best year ever.
WE got the two most explosive players in college the last two years.
Did I mention they play offense?
A QB and a running back!!!
WE have NEVER come close to anything like this.
Woohooo!!!!!! best year ever
Go Raiders
I almost feel sorry for all you KST’s
Have a gloomy day sitting at your keyboard bitching and moaning about how lame Al is.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:31 am
If MR was for Shell, that says it all. Shell was the single worst coaching blunder Davis has ever made, not once, but twice.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:36 am
MR can try and spin hiw way out of the Shell blunder all he wants. Davis put Shell in full control in 2006 and he went 2-14, wow. The first time around Shanahan should have gotten his wish and fired Shell but Tim Brown stepped in for Shell and convinced Davis to can Shanahan instead. It’s been a mess ever since.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:39 am
CopenhagenFan…
well, you’re are right, you gotta wear those colors carefully… Not that I ever had any problems, but one of my FCK friends have had problems in lyngby several times… he is a patsie fans so he had it commming =) LOL
July 10th, 2008 at 4:53 am
sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/
July 10th, 2008 at 5:51 am
Lions interested in Jordan? Wow, Matt Millen really is a worse GM than Al Davis!
That makes one.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Dakota…
527…
July 10th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Dakota..
…and good morning, to you, sir!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Gaaaaaah, I’m still freaking pissed we didn’t get our hands on Eddie Royal… man I hope he’ll suit up in SnB, some day…
July 10th, 2008 at 6:06 am
mornin’
Damn work is going to get in the way of commenting here today!
Have fun without me boys.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:10 am
One last thing before I go: I watched the movie The Happening yesterday. It was quite possibly the worst movie I have ever seen. It really seemed like it was a parody of a Shyamalan movie, not a serious attempt at making a movie…almost like a SNL segment or something. Horrible, awful movie. I can’t say it enough…don’t even bother renting it.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Dakota… the happening is a shyamalan movie… all his movies suck, 6th sense was only good because of willis and that kid
July 10th, 2008 at 6:13 am
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/16837253/detail.html
July 10th, 2008 at 6:14 am
nah… unnbreakable was better than 6th sense..
July 10th, 2008 at 6:15 am
I liked Signs and Unbreakable was okay…The Village sucked and I didn’t bother watching The Lady in the Water…
July 10th, 2008 at 6:17 am
signs, the village and Lady in the Water is pathetic attempt and I don’t know how he gets big actors in them… the stories are so obvious and the telling is tedious… only positive thing about his movies is his lighting..
July 10th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Signs… was his worst IMO… after that, nobody should finance his movies, he should be send to an island and think about what he has done
July 10th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Sorry, if I sound a bit sour, i just read a story aboud Eddie Royal, the only WR in the draft that I coveted..
July 10th, 2008 at 6:23 am
where is Florida Pete and 4evaRaider??
July 10th, 2008 at 6:24 am
That Broncos’ WR? Well, wasn’t he a second round pick…we didn’t have a chance to select him…but we could have had RED BRYANT in the 4th round!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Just read about Chargers linebacker, Stephen Cooper, suspended the first four games of the season. I think the Raiders will have a real good shot at beat the Chargers in week four with all their injury and suspension problems. The Raiders could be looking at 3-1 but 3-0 in the division at the bye week. Russell to Miller worked well vs the Chargers at the end of last year.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Dakota…
yup… So Hall better behave and not getting a 67yd penalty or what was it….
July 10th, 2008 at 6:26 am
rebel…
what is with Chargers and their linebackers. they just cant lay of the juice =)
July 10th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Dakota…
hope you’ll have good work day, perhaps its not now I should say my weekend has begun… I’ve been taking a lot of shifts for my coworkers, so I’m just sitting in my sofa chilling to the ‘Tour’
Its Naijse!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 7:18 am
okay…
calling the Nation to disorder…
who’s first???
July 10th, 2008 at 7:25 am
miller… moving the chains with a 6 yard reception…
miller… picking up the first down with a nice grab over the middle…
miller… standing in the endzone with the ball… another touchdown for the raiders…
miller… throws for a touchdown with an option… who could have seen that coming…
miller… in motion… takes a handoff and runs for the TD… amazing…
miller… on a punt… takes a handoff from Higgins and brings it out to the 45 yard line… he probably had to pay Higgins to do that…
miller… kicks a 78 yard field goal…
where did this kid come from…
(fantasy football… get it while it’s hot!!!)
July 10th, 2008 at 7:28 am
Checks the fridge for a Miller..
July 10th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Mista,
The W’s are going to love Turiaf…great guy, decent player.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Trent Dilfer announced his retirement. So sorry for those in the nation who coveted his sorry a$s. JR needed his veteran mentoring like he needs a hole in his head.
If I see Brett Favre 1 more day on ESPN or NFLN I’m going to vomit!
Jerry, reg this Fkn Blog!
Gruden is not a offensive genius he is garbage.
Oak vs MR is like the special olympics.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:52 am
I like Turiaf and Maggette is a huge upgrade over Barnes & Pietrus. I wish Warrior fans could understand he is not Barons replacement.
LOL @ the Clips & Baron, he walked out on 17 mil to join them good riddance!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Way to go Matt Jones! Coke head!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8331410/Jaguars‘-Jones-arrested-on-felony-drug-charge
July 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Just a few weeks away from DMAC/BUSH and lets find out if RR’s haircut made him any smarter…probably not at all.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Too bad Jerry Porter was not in the car with Matt Jones! That would have been AWESOME!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:12 am
coke 3 weeks before your season starts, not smart
July 10th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Get off Jones’s back you know he was feeling the pressure of having Porter take his roster spot…
You know half this blog would be pining for Jones if the Jags released him.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Mistabrown…
of course =)
July 10th, 2008 at 8:20 am
KK, You sound more and more like a dummy everyday. Comparing Bush ruining the country to Al owning a franchise. Big difference buddy. We elect out president, we HAVE to pay for his salary. Al OWNS the team. Put your word to work. Don’t buy Raiders merc., don’t go to the game (which you already don’t do), don’t watch the games on TV (you watching it puts ad money in Al’s pocket). If you hate Al this much, do something where it matters. Don’t waste your life trying to make us as bitter as you.
Please go eat some prunes. You will feel better in the morning.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:20 am
SIGN MATT JONES!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:20 am
woaw…. 1KM left, dang this it tough =)
July 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
I thought coke was an 80’s drug where is he getting that stuff ?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:22 am
I was about to say how nice it is without the nonsense and then #927 shows his ass.
Jerry, reg this Fkn..
Ohhhh nevermind!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Mista, here is a picture of the person suspected of supplying Matt Jones’ coke:
http://www.mjyoung.net/imgsrc/doc.jpg
July 10th, 2008 at 8:24 am
KK bedpan…
I think most of those ‘KoolKell’ posts wasn’t the real KoolKell…
July 10th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Take your own advice and quit living in the past.
If you want to create a change, write to the Raiders. Stand up to the organization you dummy. Not to a bunch of commentators on a blog. We are not Al. You ranting to us is just another old mans rant.
Please remember to drink your Ensure.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:27 am
I just assumed he got his coke from an NBA player.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Watch your mouth, boy. Ok, I admit I get on Al’s case a little too much, maybe way too much, but that doesn’t excuse your behavior. Knock it off!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am
yawn
July 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Can’t wait for camp to start. It 23 days for the start pf preseason!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
And what is ‘yawn’ supposed to mean? Punk.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Oh, now you can’t wait for the start of camp, can you? You make me sick.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 am
I guess MR is awake, that was early!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Kell shut your trap
July 10th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Shut my trap? Boy, you don’t even know what a trap IS! Go play with your legos.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Al basher’s vision of Al Davis:
wallpapers.pixxp.com/36__Farscape_Scorpius.htm
July 10th, 2008 at 8:36 am
i don’t have time to waiste on you.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:41 am
KK, I don’t care if that was you or not who ever that was “posting as you” writes just like you. My opinion of you has not changed.
Yes. I am looking forward to camp, what does that have to do with my opinion of you? You’re still a senile, know it all old jerk. Nothing has changed there.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Don’t mess with me. I’m the king.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:44 am
As for you, bedpan boy, just shut up and go home. You can’t handle it here.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:48 am
—”In addition to cocaine, Arkansas police allegedly found possible marijuana residue on a jar when they arrested Matt Jones on Thursday. The bulk of the cocaine was in a plastic baggy. Two others in the vehicle were hit with misdemeanor drug charges, while Jones faces a felony. Police claim Jones admitted to possessing cocaine and say they had to pull their guns on the 6′6/238-pound receiver after he initially did not show his hands. Jul. 10 - 11:30 a.m. ET”—
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LOL it just keeps getting worse…. I guess the media will lay low on Javon for a while, now =)
July 10th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Take your nap already. you would be less grumpy. Are your ‘roids flarring up? Is that why your so grumpy all the time? If you get off your rear every now and then you’d be better off.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:52 am
This is real late; but to newblack about the Jamarcus Russell/Matt Leinert thing. Leinert is splitting time (in Arizona) with washed up Kurt Warner and is doing NOTHING! He has not made the play offs and, oh yeah came to Oakland and lost a QB duel to Andrew Walter. Many people (fans) wanted Leinert instead of Vince Young who, by the way has gone to the playoffs with his team and is their unquestioned leader. Leinert was overrated like Brady Quinn because they were hating on black quarterbacks and it would only work with people who dont do their homework (most people). If you are paying attention, Jamarcus is more athletic than you would think, but not in the mold of a Vince Young or Micheal Vick. His arm strength and what he can do with the football is unmatched by maybe anyone who has EVER played the position. The person he most resembles by his skill set is John Elway.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Hey dickheads, give it a rest…
July 10th, 2008 at 8:55 am
I can’t believe they let me say dickheads!
cool
July 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
oh no. the biggest dickhead is awake!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
morning NATION iI finally slept thu a whole night Oh yeah….. now the slave driver is crackin the whip Ill be back tho… Raider on
July 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I wonder if anyone has sent Jesse Jackson a box of knives yet lol.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I see Bedpan boy finally shut the heck up and ran away. Good riddance. Jerry needs to set up some kind of registration. Keep the riff-raff out.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:21 am
CHANGE!
July 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Ran way from what you turd? Your silence? Shut up you old turd. Your irrelevant.
Unlike you, I have a life outsideof this blog. Get a life. Don’t you have some great grand kids that you could visit and rant to?
July 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Now run away for another hour so you can come back and claim I ran away.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:34 am
LMN–Wasn’t Matt Jones a first round pick by the Jags? Converted QB to WR. I think Jerry Pouter must of had something to do with setting him up.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Keep the riff-raff like myself out. Nobody likes me anyway.
Lets take a vote: Does anyone actually read my posts or think I say anything worth while?
1 = Yes
2 = No
July 10th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Now now, don’t get all riled up, Bedpan boy. Just calm down. Hee hee hee.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Raider4Life…
yup 21th or 25th overall =)
July 10th, 2008 at 9:44 am
NEW POST!! FINALLY!!
July 10th, 2008 at 9:47 am
o/~ Who let all this riff raff into the room? There’s one smoking a joint and another with spots, If I had my way I’d have all of you shot o/~
July 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
LMN–Is Goodell gonna treat him like Pacman and Chris Henry or is he gonna whitewash everything and say its ok cuz he is a first time offender?? You’re an NFL player with $$$ millions in the bank so why the hell are you doing that on the street in your car? Dumbas*
July 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
KoolKell…
stop saying that, there are over 966 posts… its called a thread… and it seems like thats not true….
you start to sound like that ‘einstein’ character… Don’t get me wrong i’m not going to vote 2 =)
July 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
KK is the new MR?
July 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
There goes LMN sticking his nose into something again.
LMN is the answer to the question no one asked.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Raider4Life…
personally, I think Pacman should have been suspended for at least one more year, but on the other hand I think Bengals former LB, Thurman got treated worse, and IMO I think he should have been reinstated..
July 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
KKB…
well there wasn’t any new thread was there?, but here is a POST!
July 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
KKB… i guess that was what post 970 was regarding..
July 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
woow there was a new post again
July 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Bedpan Boy is the new idiot?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Jerry Mac….
We are anxiously awaiting for:
PART #6, in a SERIES of concerns regarding the makeup of the 2008 Raiders with the reporting date approaching on July 24 at the Napa Marriot.
Also, Jerry do you know if they might have, a fuel pump for a 69 El Camino, w/ a 350ci. At the NAPA Marriot’s gift shop??? Thanks.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
LMN–I bet you anything that Matt Jones will not be suspended, and will not even be convicted of anything. There is a reason why white NFL players never get suspended. It’s because things are always taken care of for them under the table. Nobody ever heard bout ole Jake Plummer being a rapist or Matt Leinart with underage girls.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Raider4Life…
you’re probably right, but if that is true, its more like the black players doesn’t have the right people to handle their stuff…
I think he’ll get 4 games suspension…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
i don’t know if anyone has posted this rumor yet but check it out. it is about detroit trading a 6th or 7th round draft pick to us for fat jordan. http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+West/Oakland/Features/2008/parr070908.htm
July 10th, 2008 at 10:14 am
LMN–you are absolutely right. Black players don’t usually have the right kinda dudes hangin with them. Need to start spending their money the right way by gettin connected.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Heard about the LaFat rumors couple days ago. Just get rid of the piece of garbage. BTW why no love for hoes???
July 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
test… test…
dickhead…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
909raiderlifer Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Jerry Mac….
Also, Jerry do you know if they might have, a fuel pump for a 69 El Camino, w/ a 350ci. At the NAPA Marriot’s gift shop??? Thanks.
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are you in the bay area???
’cause i know this blond that can do that for you…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:22 am
you ever listen to snoop doggs “doggy style” album? listen to the “ain’t no fun” track.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Raider4Life…
i’m not saying that color has anything to do with how you behave or how much trouble you get in, but if whites gets off the hook more often than blacks, I think it has something to do with who you hire to handle your stuff, not just who you hang around… I mean if I ran over for the red light, and I had tons of millions I woul hire OJ’s attorney of if I was Strahan and was getting ripped by my exwife I would hire Paul McCartneys lawyer…
I think, that is very important not to hire some lawyer your family used while you were in college and handle a lawsuit because you in a deal got used tires on your new car… they have to realize how important their next step is, when the misstepped off the path…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:34 am
raider4life i would post the lyrics but it probably wouldn’t get through the mods.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Warren G is fantastic on that track =)
July 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
no reason to post it =)
lyricsdepot.com/snoop-dogg/aint-no-fun-if-the-homies-cant-have-none.html
July 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Nation, What is up?
stanford routt quick interview.
http://rawsportsblog.com/?p=1214
July 10th, 2008 at 10:49 am
God, if there is any validity to that Jordan/Lions story, then Matt Millen is a bigger f’n idiot than I thought.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
kurupts verse is how i got my name.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Maybe Matt Millen is doing Al a favor and will take LaFat off our hands. LMN I wouldn’t hire Paul McCartney’s lawyer. You see how much that hoe got?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
she got $100,000 per orgasm…
July 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
She keeps all her millions in her wooden leg.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
How lewd!
Dickhead!
lol.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
You guys have sunk to a new low, making fun of people’s disabilities. I should be proud of yourselves. Jerks.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Sorry, that’s YOU should be proud of yourselves, of course. Still jerks, though. LOL
July 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
MR–Get over it dude. Was only a joke and besides she got enough money to buy a new leg. She and Strahans wife together have enough money to buy Bolivia. For what??? Cuz they were lucky enough to marry rich guys for a few years. Give me $100 million and I will gladly let you cut off my leg.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Figured you have some kind of asinine reply. The human race is really something to be proud of, ain’t it? Not!
July 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I enjoyed MR’s tips to effective cloning.
Oakglenn is in your head. How sad is that? Don’t bother reponding.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
1000, btw.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
R4Life, don’t talk to MR. He’s a whiner fan that was banned off Raiderfans.net for putting whiner gear on the site.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 4:36 am
“Davis put Shell in full control in 2006 and he went 2-14, wow.”
…….
If you believe that you’re even dumber than I thought you were. That’s the reason I gave up on Shell in the pre-season of ‘06. It was obvious then Shell was a Davis puppet. I was wrong when I said “from the start”. Before we hired Shell, I thought he was more of his own man than what he turned out to be. I was off the Shell wagon, however, before the season even started. Idiots like you had faith in him until the very second he was canned.
If you think Marley’s fact finding mission, which includes his disingenuous attempt to leave out my criticism of Shell at rf.net in the pre season of ‘06, is going to deter me in the slightest from my motives here you’d might as well commit to your delusions of grandeur and assume the Raiders will go 16-0 this year, while you’re at it. Because neither is going to happen.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Rebel,
The Raiders lose, it’s because Davis put his head coach in complete control. But when the Raiders win, it’s because Davis took charge. Is that what I’m gathering here? I mean, I’m trying to come up with a better rationale for your believing that Shell was in complete control in ‘06…
July 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Anybody want to talk about the Raiders??
July 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am
MoRon—Why are you here? Steve “fudge packer” Young is calling you. He said its time for all the good little boys from the Whiner Empire to come home.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
time to go Mo. What did that little kid say as MoRon was leaving the field covered in the sh** and piss of the Raider Nation???? “say it ain’t so, Mo”
July 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Stabler—When do you think all the deserving Raider will finally be inducted? Snake, Guy, Plunkett, Hayes, Tatum, Dalby, Flores……
July 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Bye mr. don’t let the door hi