Raiders backup plan is flawed
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, July 12th, 2008 at 11:56 am in Oakland Raiders.
Last in a series of concerns regarding the makeup of the 2008 Raiders with the reporting date approaching on July 23 at the Napa Marriott:
The last two quarterbacks of the future will compete to see which one will emerge as the backup to the new quarterback of the future, and it’s entirely possible neither man will end up being the No. 2 quarterback to JaMarcus Russell.
That is assuming, of course, that Russell himself doesn’t wind up being No. 2 by virtue of the Raiders pulling off the unlikely maneuver of bringing in Brett Favre. (I’ll explore the possibilities and ramifications of such a deal in a future blog).
Marques Tuiasosopo, drafted in the second round of the 2001 draft, was once the heir apparent to Rich Gannon. He had the requisite mobility, was a developing passer and had a string of clutch performances to pull out games at Washington that left Jon Gruden slackjawed. Gruden campaigned hard to get Tuiasosopo aboard, and Al Davis gave the coach what he wanted.
Surely, Tui would absorb everything he could from Gannon and then step in, with the offense never missing a beat.
Five years after Tuiasososopo was drafted, with the offense having changed in philosophy, Andrew Walter was a third-round pick out of Arizona State. A tall stand-up thrower with excellent touch on his deep throws, Walter succeeded Tuiasosopo as the quarterback of the future in the play-action system of coach Norv Turner.
Turner lasted just two years, Walter became a punching bag in the Art Shell-Tom Walsh offense, giving the Raiders the chance to land Russell with the top pick in the 2007 draft.
It’s Russell’s job. His contract, not to mention his skill set, say it is so.
As for Walter and Tuiasosopo, there is nothing approaching hard evidence that either will be a starting quarterback for anyone, let alone the Raiders.
Assuming Sam Keller’s best shot is the practice squad and the status quo holds, Walter or Tuiasosopo would be entrusted with the offense if Russell were to be injured.
Not exactly the stuff dream seasons are made of.
Walter is simply not a fit for the type of offense the Raiders run, which is heavy on bootlegs and rollouts and puts a premium on the quarterback getting rid of the ball. There were plenty of hints last year at training camp that Walter is not Kiffin’s cup of tea, either.
Kiffin is big on body language, and Walter doesn’t exude confidence when things aren’t going his way, instead giving off a “woe is me” vibe rather than inspiring or lifting his teammates.
There was a supposed “competition” between Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper and Walter last season to be the starter, but Walter’s fate may have been sealed the day he failed to go after a fumble during a team session.
Tuiasosopo moves as well as ever, but the concern is that if he hasn’t become a bonafide NFL quarterback by now, it is unlikely to happen at all.
The two times Tuiasosopo got the job as the Raiders starter due to injury he got injured himself. When Turner came aboard, he fell behind Walter, who was perceived as a better system fit.
When Tuiasosopo’s contract finally expired, he signed with the New York Jets but barely held on at No. 3 quarterback, behind Chad Pennington and Kellen Clemens.
There were questions when Tuiasosopo came out of college whether he would ever be a truly high-percentage passer, and those questions remain.
There are also those in the organization who believe Tuiasosopo gradually put less time in as a student of the game, partiularly after Gannon’s departure, choosing to rely on the playmaking skills that won him games at Washington.
If neither man impresses Kiffin during training camp, the Raiders could be looking hard at the waiver wire, or ponder someone like Quinn Gray, who had starting experience with Jacksonville last season. However, there are sure to be red flags after Gray signed with Houston and then was cut, as the Texans run a system similar to the one Kiffin installed in Oakland.
One of Russell’s qualities in college was that he was so big that he could shake off hits which would fell other quarterbacks and remain on the field. No doubt the Raiders are counting on that skill this season.
Then again, if Davis managed to cap off a whirlwind offseason and sign Brett Favre, then Russell would be the backup with Walter and Tuiasosopo hoping to be No. 3.
I’ll take a look at that problems with that scenario in a future blog . . .
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July 12th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
JERRY,
THERE ARE TWO KOOLKELLS HERE RIGHT NOW, WILL YOU PLEASE GET RID OF ONE
July 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
2nd!!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Now 2 weeks before training camp, after giving JaMarcus Russell the keys to the car, with his teammates in the back seat. Somebody thinks it would be wise to bring Brett Favre in.
This day has started out as a nightmare.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
No Farve, get on with the Russell era and let’s see what he’s made of. Can’t wait for Sept 8th!!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Yeah Bring in Brett Favre to run your dinky offense, makes sense to me.
Anybody with any football IQ here???
July 12th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
‘Cause I sure don’t have any!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Is this Farve idea pure speculation/mental masturbation or is there some kernel of real Davis interest in this idea? That would be true lunacy.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Jerry! There he is! Come on, man, get off your fat, lazy butt and kick him out!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Al,please do not even consider signing Favre! It is not wise to send mixed signals to a kid trying to develop his confidence in the NFL. I love Favre but have to say no thanks (no matter how much I want to win now!)
July 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I hope it’s pure speculation Ian. I sure hope. But with Al Davis who knows.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Al keeps drafting all his speed scholarship boys, then hires West Coast coaches.
Shell attempts to build a power line, next year we’re building a cut-blocking line.
Stretch the Field Owner/GM, Dinking Coaching Staff. What a mess.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Marley, those quotes in the last thread were primarily from the NYG - NE week 17 matchup I think. Am I wrong ?
The NFLN will replay that game soon I imagine so we can all watch it again. I deleted my DV-R recording after I broke it down 1 play at a time. There were 13 blitzes up until midway through the 3rd quarter. NE’s O-line was false starting and Brady was knocked down ALOT, sure he completed some passes but Moss was a non factor and NYG won. It was an aggressive defense that will provide a blueprint for NE’s opponents heading into 2008.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Mistabrown
Those quotes are from the Super Bowl, one of them is indeed from the week 17 matchup, I used it to compare the NYG strategies in both games.
Here it is again:
As far as that old Super Bowl blitz debate, I hope this helps:
“The Giants’ pressure was crucial, as defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo estimated he called blitzes 30-35 percent of the time.
If Spagnuolo’s estimate is on the mark, that meant two out of every three plays were standard four-man rushes, an indication the Giants didn’t necessarily win because of scheme, but more because they won more individual matchups.” Boston Globe, Mike Reiss.
- For comparison´s sake, here´s what the NYG did on their week 17th matchup:
“Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo blitzed quarterback Tom Brady on 19 of the 43 called pass plays or 44 percent of the time. But it didn’t work.
In the face of the Giants’ blitz, Brady was hit eight times, hurried numerous others and sacked once. But he completed 14 of 18 attempts for 174 yards and two touchdown passes” espn.com.
Back to the Super Bowl:
“Using that previous trip (week 17) into the NFL’s near-perfect storm to build his Super Bowl game plan, Spagnuolo used his defensive line’s knack for generating blitz-free pressure as a means to befuddle Brady and Bill Belichick.
“The Giants often used six defensive backs with Strahan and three of his D-line cronies. Of course, the Patriots O-line is a bit too formidable to attack without adjustments, so a few blitzes were mixed in.
“I don’t think it’s as many as people think,” Spagnuolo said of his blitz scheming. “Probably 30 or 35 percent”. foxsports.com Randy Hill.
- Looks to me like both Mistabrown and Oakglenn were right to a certain degree, the NYG got to Brady with blitzes and with a 4 man rush, the mixing of both likely the key.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I would like to jared lorezon qb cut from the giants get a shot.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
On 3rd & 10, dinkers call a 5 yard crossing patterns, then punt. The conservative call will get you 3 points IF you’re lucky and the DB misses the tackle. This F’s up my Saturday. Out.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
If blitzing 44% of passing downs is not alot I have no idea what is…
July 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
The NYG did not get to Brady rushing 4. I guarantee you that Marley! I cant wait for that game to be replayed.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
same as Mistabrown
July 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Misterbrown..I saw the game last night. The numbers that Marley came up with sound right. Marley…how often do the Raiders blitz?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Where did you see the game Cope ?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
MistaBrown…on TV here last night on Eurosport 2 in Denmark.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Mista
44% was on week 17, on the Super Bowl it was 30 to 35% according to NYG´s Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
Its very simple if ask me, no blitzes no NYG win, too much blitzes no NYG win. Looks like Spagnuolo found the right dose.
And the threat of a blitz is often as important as the blitz itself.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Well sounding right and being right are 2 different things. Nextime you see the game get a pad & pencil like I did.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Marley..you’re right about the threat of the blitz. Brady was throwing ducks when no pressure came. He got happy feet. And the other thing was that he checked down EARLY prematurely and never got to go deep.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Yes, there were many times NY showed blitz and backed off and Brady rushed himself causing incompletions it was a brilliant scheme that day.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Mistabrown…one of the things the Giants did a lot of was zone blitzing, sending a backer or safety in from a position on the field where the Pats did not expect it, and then dropped a lineman into coverage. So in reality, sometimes they “blitzed” but had only 4 rushers.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Blitz this Blitz that does it really matter? The fact is WE DON’T BLITZ enough. It’s our man to man scheme, and the fact we think our D-line will provide the pressure.
Oh and didn’t one of the Pats O-linemen go out of the game early?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Paul Hackett is a 49er guy, coached under Walsh and his successor.
Why not hire Brady’s consultant, who worked with Russell last year. I forget his name, from Santa Clara?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Marley, 30/35% is still a high number. I think it was even higher but for the sake of argument ok 30/35%.
OakGlenn said NY “hardly” blitzed in the SB which is just totally incorrect and stupid, even your quotes that I think are conservative suggest NY blitzed alot so where was OakGlenn even remotely in the ball park ?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
All right, jerry. The gloves are off. I can put up with two koolkells and even mr but you have gone too far.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
RaiderKen yes it does matter your very own post proved the point….the Raiders dont get pressure from the front 4 and our db’s that are pretty good get hung out to dry….so if anybody should be blitzing 30/35% its US!
July 12th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
SEE THE PATTERN?
Drafting players is an activity that is closely tied to coaching and system. Tui and Walter are just two of the many examples of players we have drafted only to have the pick wasted because of coaching changes.
The Raiders may improve a little here and there but they will not be a consistent contender until they have steady coaching.
Not only is it critical at QB but elsewhere. Boothe was a big power guard who showed promise in 2006. Gone in 2007 as a non-fit. Carlisle and Gallery are obviously ZBS guys. So if Cable goes to Seattle next year do we have to bring in new players - again?
Will Russell be the next Robert Gallery? Playing for ten different head and position coaches in his first five years? If the team changes staff next year, Russell will have had Kiffin, Gnapp, Joe D, Hackett and Lofton(?) all in his ear during his first two-three seasons. What do Billecheck, Jimmy Johnson, Cowher, Parcells, Vermeil, and Holngren all have in common? They started off with losing teams but were given time by intelligent owners to bring in the players they needed to build champions.
We need a plan and we need to stick with it - not sign coaches to 1-2 year contracts.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I’m with Coach on Wheels…..
July 12th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Regarding the blitz debate - hate to point out the obvious but the DEFENSE DOESN’T ALWAYS KNOW IT’LL BE A PASS.
Since 1st and 10, 2nd & 5, etc are wide open for run or pass, blitzing 30-40% of pass plays is ALOT. That’s the equivilent of blitzing almost every obvious passing down. Since they blitzed into Draws and runs at times which don’t appear in the statistics as blitzes, that’s even bigger.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Dakota, Gallagher and Murton were nice for us in Oakland last night.
Oh and Harden will be on the DL in no time…
July 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
No way brett is a raider. Won’t happen. Russell is the future.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Coach,
I said NYG blitzed the pants off NE and OakGlenn called me the dumbest poster on this blog.
I think VegasRaider put himself on the wrong side of this argument as well lol
July 12th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Marley, 30/35% is still a high number. I think it was even higher but for the sake of argument ok 30/35%.
OakGlenn said NY “hardly” blitzed in the SB
BTW, thanks Bob. This guy Clown is out of his gourd. Clown why don’t you tell us how the Raiders never change up their defense, or how the best defense against a screen or draw is a blitz, or how you never come here to argue with the posters here, or how you only read books that have lots of large pictures??? Why don’t we talk about those things you effing Moron??
July 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
CopenhagenFan…
it was on TV2sport, its going to be on again on thursday 1130
July 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Oh and I forgot, Clown no I didn’t say NY “hardly” blitzed in the Super Bowl. But then again you have to know how to read. You might want to try night classes, it worked for Dexter Manely. He can now read at a third grade level.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
OakGlenn, why do you resort to calling names cant you just act like an adult and make your points without all the drama or is this blog that serious?
Whats your age Oak, 12 ?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Your exact words were “hardly blitzed” I remember it like it was yesterday.
Oak, control your anger its just a blog. You were wrong and you cant deal with it.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
No, you’re just a joke here Clown. I have no respect for you. There’s no drama. Why don’t you go back and explain to everyone that the Raiders never change their defense or how a blitz is the perfect called defense for a screen pass?? Or how’s about the time you told me that if I found a quote about how you come here to argue with people you would leave. I did in four seconds and you are clearly not a person of your word. So eff you clown.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
jerry don’t even bother with a blog about Favre, not going to happen.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Oak, coach on wheels said in post #34 NYG blitzed NE alot so is he a “dumb poster” too?
Oak, you’re like a whiney little kid that got his little red wagon taken away. In here calling people names and using multiple names and bating the trolls on a reg basis.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Oak, I can see this blog makes or breaks your day/life so lets just end this, ok ?
Marley & Coach pretty much ended this discussion today, sorry you came out on the dirty end of the stick on this.
Oak,
NY blitzed the snot out of NE in the SB, you tried to tell us differently in Jan and I called you out, deal with it kid.
The end.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
man this is funny, totally deja vu… I’m sure I’ve read this before…
July 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
When NY blizted in the Superbowl Brady was 14-18 with 2 touchdowns. Basically the only reason NE was in the game was because NY blitzed. You guys need to get off the glue.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Johnny, were did you get those numbers? They are not at all accurate so I guess they just sounded good to you at the time?
Johnny, do you remember during the telecast Phil Simms saying ” NYGs are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Brady ” ?
July 12th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Clown, I have made literally thousands and thousands of posts on this site. I said something in passing about the Super Bowl and that’s the one thing, one thing, you have tried to rail me on. You have said stuff over and over that is PREPOSTEROUS. And no, I still won’t back down, go look up what I said. Why don’t we go back to your and my first conversations where I was reaching out to you going over certain play calling and defensive matchups and you proved you don’t know anything about the game. Little tiny kids who have played one game of Pop Warner football know more than you’ve displayed. Plus it’s you and MR that are the only ones that say I post under multiple names. You and MR. What does that tell ya??
July 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
LMN, you can blame Marley he posted quotes on the SB. What prompted him to do that I have no idea…
July 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
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July 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Yep and I rememeber nothing was working right up to when Moss caught the go ahead touchdown. ESPN has the stats Mista, he had 174 passing when they blitzed him.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Johnny is right. The blitz is the easiest defense to burn. BY FAR!!!!! The play where Manning completed the 25 yard pass to bring the Giants into NE territory??? Bellichik blitzed. Manning just threw it up for grabs. The game winning TD???? Beillichik blitzed. You have to be a complete utter moron to think that blitzing over and over and over is going to win you games. Oh right, we’re talking Mr. Clown here. He gets his football knowledge from his ps2.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
UMM! I think he has a PS3 now! lmfao!
July 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
All the blitz does is cover up sub par points of attack, run or pass. When you can’t stop the pass you try to blitz, when you can’t stop the run you try to blitz.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
In which case Ryan should blitz more but he knows its only a temporary fix.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
On the other hand if you face a Art Shell team you blitz every play because you know the line can’t block.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Anyways Farve a Raider? 3 years ago when I was watching the Statue I wanted him. 3 years ago when I watched Brooks and Walter get pummled I wanted him. Last year when McClown and Dulpepper were taking turns with subpar performance I wanted him. Now! I think not! Let’s go with JR and roll the dice baby.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Johnny Reb is exactly right. Bltizing when they least expect it and when it is out of charachter is extremely effective (see Woodson’s corner blitz in “the snow job” game). Blitzing, blitzing, blitzing, just means you have no D.
Exactly LMN. Haven’t we been thru this before??
July 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Johnny, let me get this straight.
When you cant stop the run you blitz?
LMAO!!!!
Sounds like you need to have a meeting with Rob Ryan Johnny.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Sorry 2 years ago for Brooks and Walters
July 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Mista…
I blame everybody! LOL
July 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I like Favre. I like Favres game. Stick with Jamarcus. We don’t need Favre.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Johnny, you can copy & paste those SB stats on Bradys % on passing downs when there was a blitz by the defense.
Im waiting..
July 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Mista
That’s right it’s called a Run Blitz see Steelers, and Pats for your schooling.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Johnny, let me get this straight.
When you cant stop the run you blitz?
LMAO!!!!
I guess the clown has never heard of a run blitz. Once again, So ignorant so often.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Favre reminds me of Gannon, an interception machine waiting to happen. 288 interceptions career for Favre. In 2005 alone he threw 29 interceptions.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Hey, don´t blame me…Copenhagen Fan brought it up…lol.
I just posted NYG´s DC comments after the game:
Spagnuolo said of his blitz scheming: “I don’t think it’s as many as people think, probably 30 or 35 percent”.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Looks like you beat me to it Ken. This guy clown is a total joke. let’s keep him posting. It’ll get waaaay funnier, believe me!!
July 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Mista you have obviously never played the game of football.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Guys Im well aware of the run blitz. So the antidote for stopping the run is blitzing, ok!
lmao
July 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
The funniest part about that Bob Marley is out of the 30-35% he blitzed how many of those were zone blitzes???? tons. Meaning, he dropped defensive linemen or petes and rushed other guys but JUST SENT A TOTAL OF FOUR. Is that really a blitz??? I guess technically yes, but he still only sent four or maybe five guys.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
What else are you ging to do when you can’t stop the run, go into prevent? lmfao
July 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Never blame the guy who brings it up, always blame the ones who responds…
and I really don’t care, just find it funny, that we have a discussion with the exact same arguments =)
but, hey its slow days, so Its like this is better or worse than Us discussing if DK is a socia1ist state =) LOL
July 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Reb, he’s clearly never played the game. The question is, has he ever seen a game where he’s not too drunk or high to comprehend which team is which.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
What else are you ging to do when you can’t stop the run, go into prevent? lmfao
_______________________________________________________
Muhahhahahaha, daaang, good one =)
July 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Johnny, Im waiting for the stats to suppport your nonsense on post #48.
Johnny, just an example..
If NE made 50 attempts to throw and Brady completed 14-16 on just blitzes alone then the 30/35% ratio just doesn’t add up….Johnny according to your numbers NE would of had to thrown the ball 90 times roughly to produce 14-16 passes on a blitz.
And OakGlenn was allover your nutz saying how right you are, no surprise really.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Hey Bob help me out here while I go research to show Mista what we are talking about.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
this just get better and better =) LOL
July 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I´m out folks, have a nice evening, I´ll catch up later.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Oh, before I forget….
July 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Hehe heres the first volley. Brady completes 80% of his passes when blitzed.
http://hou.scout.com/a.z?s=116&p=2&c=689889
July 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
MR….
I see you are changing the subject and running for cover (no surprise there).
But I will gladly answer your question.
I´ll do it once you answer this one:
You told us that: “Al Davis ordered Shell to ditch the run in the preseason and he never went back to it”.
But the facts could not be more clear:
- The Raiders attempted more runs than passes in 3 of the first 6 games, on a fourth game, the runs and passes were even.
- The Raiders ran for at least 137 yards in 3 of the first 6 games (194, 154 and 137).
So here´s the question:
Were you just lying and making stuff up or do you just not know what you are talking about when it comes to the Raiders?….or both?.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
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July 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Just as I thought Johnny you are blowing smoke out your aS$. Where are the stats from the Super Bowl from ESPN?
Your link is pure garbage!
ESPN, remember Johnny?
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Yep and I rememeber nothing was working right up to when Moss caught the go ahead touchdown. ESPN has the stats Mista, he had 174 passing when they blitzed him.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Johnny, go sit in the corner with OakGlenn and think about your actions.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Johnny, you said Brady completed 14-16 passes against a blitz in the SB.
Get me that stat from ESPN..
July 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Johnny Rebel Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
When NY blizted in the Superbowl Brady was 14-18 with 2 touchdowns.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
CopenhagenFan Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Mistabrown…one of the things the Giants did a lot of was zone blitzing, sending a backer or safety in from a position on the field where the Pats did not expect it, and then dropped a lineman into coverage. So in reality, sometimes they “blitzed” but had only 4 rushers.
That was EXACTLY what I said. Basically, the Giants sent FOUR GUYS. My fault tho clown, you have to be able to count to four, to be able to figure that out.
As to the rest of you, sorry about this. Mistaclown keeps bringing this up, not me.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Zone blitzing now?
Funny I was told by OakGlenn the NYG run the exact same man 2 man defense as Oakland.
Hmmmmm! Weird…
CopenhagenFan Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Mistabrown…one of the things the Giants did a lot of was zone blitzing, sending a backer or safety in from a position on the field where the Pats did not expect it, and then dropped a lineman into coverage. So in reality, sometimes they “blitzed” but had only 4 rushers.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Go outside and play!
July 12th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Mista
When your mommy catches you on the computer she’s gonna beat your azz! You know your restricted to your room. So go to bed until dinner time, and dream of all your gay 9er friends banging your AZZ!
July 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
RaiderKen, what happened today where you felt compelled to send me a message like that ?
July 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Jeryy,
Absolutely correct. Neither AW or Tui are good enough to back-up JR next season. AW can throw but he can’t move. Tui can move but he can’t throw. And neither has the leadership skills to compensate for technical weaknesses. Both must be cut before September. Sorry to be brutal but both are duds.
I like Sam Keller. I think he has potential, personality and a chance to make the grade. But he is not ready to be anything other than 3rd choice.
So, who could be our No2? Dilfer has retired, but was a spent force. Culpepper has the ability but just doesn’t have the mindset to be a back-up. Gray just doesn’t fit the system. I like Leftwich but I am in a small minority of people who want to give him another chance. The best option is undoubtably Rex Grossman, if we can do a deal with Chicago. Rex is never going to be be a HoF QB but he has guts, spirit and enough ability to make a decent reserve…and he needs a new start.
Cut AW. Cut Tui. Lets go shopping for a real back-up.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I guess Johnny Rebel has nothing to support his nonsense on post 48.
I also noticed Johnny Rebel & OakGlenn have both dissapeared at the same time…
July 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
On July 12, 2008:
Scottish Raider announced that Rex Grossman should join the silver & black.
Jerry make sure that goes into the archives, thanks in advance.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
The Raiders, even if they wanted him, don’t really have a shot at Favre. Favre will pick one of the following four options, QB for GB (everyone settles down and makes nice), good team close to home (Raven’s likely), NFC North (to stick it to GB for shunning him (Minnesota seems a good fit), or retire. The last is very likely, because GB may call his bluff and make him backup Rodgers if he insists on coming back. He’s not coming back to ride the pine. He’s under contract, so he doesn’t really have any power to decide his own fate unless GB caves and gives him his release.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Favre will go to, Baltimore, Chicago or Miami… GB is not an option..
July 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Actually I’ve noticed that clown seems to argue with everyone, he humiliates himself constantly and everyone other than he seems to realize it, he makes continually stupid statements and he constantly says I’m posting as others. All traits Eeerily similar to MR.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Oskglenn
now you’re stretching it, you argue just as much as Mistabrown, that doesn’t make you MR…
July 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Eric the problem with him backing up Rodgers is you immediately have a QB contraversy the 2nd Favre arrives back in Green Bay Wisconsin. Half the GB fans are going to be crying for him, half telling him to hit the road. Even if GB started Rodgers exactly what happened here last year would happen to Rodgers. Rodgers could complete his first 20 straight passes, and the minute the 21st fell incomplete, boooos would rain down on him. You think he would deserve that???
The Best thing GB can do is release Brett and let hm go to Minn or Chi.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Eric is right on #98 sorry LMN.
OakGlenn/Johnny Rebel, you talking to yourself out loud ? Nobody cares…
July 12th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
LMN, I’m teasing, clown isn’t MR, but the traits are eerily similar.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Actually LMN, if you look at this thread I was responding to Marley and Oak came out of nowhere along with Johnny Rebel to defend himself when in fact nobody was talking to him so who is arguing with who here ?
July 12th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
keep talking clown. Keep embarrasing yourself. Now we know you don’t know what a blitz, a run blitz OR a base defense is. Keep talking. It is quite amusing. And I’m not Johnny Rebel. But I do know, he knows waaaaay more about the game than you ever will.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Clown you bring it up. Not me. You bring stuff up from 6 months ago. Here in 20p minutes we find you didn’t know what a blitz a run blitz or a base defense is. Quite amusing. Keep talking.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Oh and let’s not forget another MR trait. MR and clown are the only posters I have ever seen get shat all over and then instantly declare themselves victorious. Quite amusing really.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Mistablown the stats I metioned are form he first matchup, I’ll get the Superbowl numbers soon enough, readum and weep bro.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/notebook?page=sundaycountdown07
July 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
And another example.
http://nygiantsblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/giants-pass-rush-analysis/
July 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
keep embarrasing yourself mistaclown.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Looks like mistaclown just got effed up the A. Why don’t you do what MR does clown??? Just declare yourself the smartest, wittiest poster of all time and hope no one notices.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
BTW, good job Johnny Rebel.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry…..
Favre will never pay football for the silver&black, I know it’s a fun thing to talk about but we have our QB of the future that Al Davis just paid 60 million to.
Green Bay does not want Favre because of the setback to Aaron Rodgers, it would do the same thing to JaMarcus Russell, I could go on and on, but this situation is so unlikley i will leave it at that.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Ira says Giants blitzed onlt one third of the time. We are getting hotter.
http://nygiantsblog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/giants-pass-rush-analysis/
July 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Favre won’t ride the bench just to call Thompson’s bluff. He’d rather retire. I don’t think it will come to that. Either GB will play him or they’ll release him. I don’t if they can afford to trade him. If I recall, you keep the cap hit for a traded player, though I don’t know the technical circumstances where that might not be true. It may only apply to holdover cap and not current salary.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Oakglenn, give it a rest, would you? Just let it go.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Favre is not coming to Oakland, to suggest as much is stupid. Save it Jerry….what are you thinkin?
Don’t bother with the blather…
July 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
JohnnyGlenn, nowhere in that link does it say that Brady completed 14-18 passes against a blitz….are you goin to produce that stat or just keep blowing smoke ?
July 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Mistabrown, you’re as bad as Oakglenn. Just STFU.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
OakRebel, did you read this from JohnnyGlenns link?
Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo blitzed quarterback Tom Brady on 19 of the 43 called pass plays — or 44 percent of the time.
lmao….looks as though when you said “hardly” blitzed you couldn’t be anymore wrong and I couldn’t be more RIGHT !!!!!!
Marley, I told you that your #’s were too conservative at 30-35%
July 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
You too, Steelyone, by the way. If anyone knows about blather, it’s you and your ridicuous opinions.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
BTW, good job JohnnyRebel…lmao
wow 44% blitz in the SB…..can you believe it Oak ?
Oak, tell us 1 more time how NYG “hardly” blitzed NE in the SB…..please!
July 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Kell, at least when I post something its me and I’m right about 99.99% of the time.
Johhny keep working on those stats from ESPN, thanks buddy!
July 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I already showed you the stats.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Those blitzes produced one sack Mista, the other 4 were from lineman, thats the real point.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
And yes it does sya in th elink above as I explained it was th eprevious game they played at the end of the season, but you don’t seem to think they played twice last year.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
You guys all act like a bunch of petulant children trying to get in the last word in an inconsequential argument that nobody gives a damn about except your. Other than that, you’re all top notch.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Johnny, this is the last time I will ask you..
Where is the stat supporting your claim that Brady completed 14-18 passes against a blitz and 2 for TD’s.
LAST CHANCE JOHNNY!!!! PRODUCE!
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
When NY blizted in the Superbowl Brady was 14-18 with 2 touchdowns. Basically the only reason NE was in the game was because NY blitzed. You guys need to get off the glue.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Al Davis drafts players that fit his eye, then turns them over to coaches who have a completely different agenda. Al either run Raider Football OR Let the coach draft his own players.
AL DAVIS ARE YOU A HORIZONTAL FOOTBALL GUY? SINCE WHEN?
Mismanagement
KoolKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I hope it’s pure speculation Ian. I sure hope. But with Al Davis who knows.
..
all you do is bit!ch about davis.. and complain..and then you said this about brown and olglenn..
KookKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Oakglenn, give it a rest, would you? Just let it go.
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you give it a rest about davis..were sick and tired hearin you whine..go across the bay..whiney..
July 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
The fact is still Brady beat the Giants blitz and should have won the game if not for the miracle catch. Play that game 10 times and the Patriots win 9 of them. It was a lucky break that Manning got away and completed the pass let alone the catch lol.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/notebook?page=sundaycountdown07
July 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Id like to thank Marley, Coach on Wheels, and JohnnyRebel for backing up my claim that the NYG blitzed the pants off NE in the Super Bowl therefore making a complete as$ out of OakGlenn who is a fraud.
Thank You
Regards
44%
July 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
In the same article referring to the completion percentage you idiot and neither is from the Superbowl. lol
July 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
44% is from the last game of the regular season fool!
July 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
You need to learn to read and pay attention Mistablown.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
KK..you should just shut up and just be appreciative of a team to root for..you continued attempt to put davis down gets old..like you.. get on with your life..old man..we dont care what you think..over and over again..
July 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
KookKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Oakglenn, give it a rest, would you? Just let it go.
KK, MR and clown come on here trying to discredit me. Hey, if I made a mistake or said something stupid, I’ll own it. I don’t start up with them normally. You and everyone else I’m fine with, and I appreciate the advice. I let this go months ago. He’s been bringing it up, he has said stupid stuff all afternoon, and I’m LMAO.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Clown doesn;t know how to read. Seriously.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
did you guys see on Espn Brett Favre went to Miami
July 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Johnny forget about it. You’re arguing with a complete moron. lst off, he thinks I am you and you are me. 2ndly, he doesn’t understand numbers or the game. Thirdly, he can barely read. Spagnola himself said he 30-35% of the time. Considering Spagnola was the defensive coordinator in the game, you think he might know. My quote which of course clown doesn’t remember was the Giants got to Brady by mainly sending 4 guys. I said the Giants blitzed “a handful” of times and clown is trying to make the Lincoln Douglas debate out of that statement. He’s a moronic joke. Seriously.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Hopefully he will go anywhere but Oakland.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
They only blitzed with their two inside backers too because the ends get so much pressure.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Thats why the lone sack produced by a blitzing player is a middle linebacker out of the 5 sacks.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
The Giants game planned to blitz less in the Superbowl than they did in the previous week 17 meeting when they lost, get over it Mistablown.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Oh and after reading up on all this Giants stuff the one knock on Wilson is his pass coverage skills, so get ready.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
JR, you’re preaching to the choir here. clown pulled an MR, he got himself utterly humiliated, declared himself the unconditional victor, and then ran away. classic.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Like I give a damn what any of you punks think. I’ve forgotten more about football than any of you will ever know.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
So you guys finally shut the hell up, I see. Good. About time. Especially you, Oakglenn. I’m so sick of your act.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
KookKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Like I give a damn what any of you punks think. I’ve forgotten more about football than any of you will ever know.
..
and you bit@h about davis losing his football sense..look whos talking now..i forgot you never kneww much anywho..so does that mean old is good..KK so its good you can forget more than we know..but al cant remember squat..
July 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Come on back when you learn how to express a coherent thought. We’ll leave the light on for you.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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July 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
But Hey,
Art Shell and his er staff, were hired, what, a week before the draft?
Mismanagement?
..
KookKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Come on back when you learn how to express a coherent thought. We’ll leave the light on for you.
..
shell was re-hired by the Raiders on February 11 2006..
the nfl draft was april 29 2006..april 30 2006
KK you come on back when you know your football..well leave the light on for you..
KookKell Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Like I give a damn what any of you punks think. I’ve forgotten more about football than any of you will ever know.
..
We can see..you dont know a thing..
July 12th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
guy’s….
we have a love/hate relationship with mr. davis, we love him when the raiders win and or sign the players we wanted….
we hate him when the raiders lose and blame him for the calls down to the side line.
here are the facts.
1. mr davis is old
2. mr davis is the only owner to be a coach/comish.
3. mr davis knows football
4. mr davis has won 3 superbowls and been to 5.
5. there are teams that have never played in the sb.
you get the drift……
July 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Thanks for the comedy, MLAMR. Reading you is better than listening to Richard Pryor.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
KK..we all laugh when your here..you bring us comic relief..you are to us what al davis is to you..old and grumpy..
July 12th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I’m one of the most respected people who post here, boy, and don’t you forget it. I was here before your punk ass showed up and I’ll be here after you’re gone. You Johnny-come-lately’s ain’t got nothing on me. Does your mama know you’re on her computer by the way?
July 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
KK.. your so respected on this blog..lol why was your name banned for a time..you only believe your respected..most believe your a joke..now get back to the davis bashing kk..thats all your good for..
July 12th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Um folks - There’s more to it than that. If the RAIDERS blitz, you rely on NA and Hall to cover the hot read WR long enough 1-on-1 for the QB to go down. It is not a bad situation but if you don’t get there in time you leave guys like Wilson or our LB’s to cover for longer than they should.
Our CB’s make blitzing safer than it is for some teams but it will always have risks.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Given Brett Favre’s age, why would he want to go to a rebuilding ballclub, especially one that just essentially traded one suspect left tackle, Barry Sims, for another, Kwame Harris??
G.
“Pillaging just for fun”
July 12th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Don’t cross me, boy. I’ll crush you like a bug.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Some you people have ruined this blog. You know who you are, so dont sound suprised by this. Chances are that no one on this blog has a clue what there talking about, yet people cant help but tell another that there “opinion” is wrong. How about some insightful bloging about the Raiders that everyone can enjoy!
Thanks!
July 12th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Hey, Autumn Wind. How about shutting the hell up?
July 12th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
exactly my point thank-you
July 12th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
You’re welcome. And I forgive you.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Farve a Raider? Jerry, usually your posts are dead on. But things must be really slow to come up with that.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Oakglenn, how goes the mission of getting every single Al Davis critic out of here? Exhausting, isn’t it? Especially when you get absolutely no help from the mods. They banned a couple of IP’s for your a few months ago, but once they realized you’re one of the troublemakers, they put you on ignore. Anyhow, keep fighting the good fight, Oak. Some day, there’ll be no Davis critics left in the blogosphere. Then you “real fans” can talk football! Someday, Oakglenn, someday….
July 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0vkNfOQRcAI
some russell
July 13th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Marley, I copied and pasted the first three Raider drives in the ‘06 Seattle game, which proved the Raiders ditched the run too soon. Your absence of a response to that particular post is noted.
Also noted is your absence of an answer to the question as to who’s most responsible for how bad the Raiders are. I predicted you wouldn’t answer, and was correct. You’ll continue to be asked that question frequently, Marley, rather you’re digging up 3 year old, irrelevant comments in some futile attempt to discredit someone, or engaging in on of your trademark, hair splitting discussions on the vertical leap of some 3rd string player.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:29 am
31 teams have a “flawed back up plan”. so wtf (w=why) are the raiders exploited???? if brady went then then who???? swtf (w=what) is up w/this bias article????
as LMN may say, no comprende!
July 13th, 2008 at 12:30 am
by the way, only the browns have a back up plan!!
July 13th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Al D. Must be racking his brain trying to get Brett.
If there was ever a QB meant for Al it’s him.
The problem is we just don’t have the firepower WR’s to help him, but we do have one he is familiar with–Javon. Hmmmm.
And we have one that isn’t a WR at all but can take it to the house on those short quick hitters–DM.
We are certainly the dark horse, but don’t think for a minute Al isn’t thinking about it. We go to the playoffs easy w/ Brett.
GB isn’t going to cooperate though–He is a Packer or nothing this year.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:32 am
MR> I’ve been following your latest gig, but kind of lost track. Please verify the crux of your argument.
Is this it?
1. Al Davis calls down to the coaches and tells them what to do during games.
2. Art Shell was running the ball effectively during the pre-season but then abondoned the run during the regular season because Al called down and ordered him to do this?
Is that your argument?…please clarify.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:29 am
Copenhagenfan
Did you say you watched the NFL on Eurosport2 ?!
I’m in Europe and Sky satelite service has the NFL locked up tight throughout Europe so I don’t see how that’s possible. Anyway Eurosport is cricket/soccer etc. not American sports. The American sports channel in Europe-look for hotel that has it if you come over here folks-is NASN (North American Sports Network). It’s on 24/7 at my house. It’s so successful that ESPN just bought it. Although, as I said, Sky satellite service, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has the rights to the NFL in Europe and they’re not about to give it up.
If I’m missing something on Eurosport let me know.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:05 am
ROFLMO thats funny BF a Raider never happen. Only weould be good if he wanted to backup JR and mentor him. Not going to happen. Would they maybe win more games with BF under center this year maybe but it would also maybe stunt the develpmwnt of JR.
I dont see it happening in either case if Bf plays for a team other then GB its going to be a team that has a real shot at winning it all in 08. He only has a small amount of time left as a player if he returns to the NFL it might be 1 and gone for good.
Anyway on a serious note taking it on fait this BF Rumor is just that a rumor. I agree with Scottish RG from the Bears would make a better backup QB then anybody Oakland has on their roster as of today.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:12 am
cant sleep…. morning NATION
Skynerd was awsome
July 13th, 2008 at 4:24 am
EnglandRaider…
It was on TV2sport, a danish satelite channel
July 13th, 2008 at 4:29 am
cuz Im as free as a bird now
and this bird you can not change
July 13th, 2008 at 4:30 am
yeah sometimes you just gotta hate planes
July 13th, 2008 at 4:37 am
looks like mistabrown and KK were going @ it pretty hard yesterday… all I can say is I wish our Defense xould get that kind of pressure with or without the blitz.. I was freaking great to see brady getting knocked on his a$s all game….
July 13th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Facts are facts, Brady completes 80% of his passes vs the blitz,the Giants lost to the pats in week 17 blitzing 44% of the time. So the Giants toned down the blitzing in the Superbowl, blitzing just enough 30-35% of the plays, to keep Brady off balance. But it still did not work because if it did, Brady would not have drove down the field and tossed the go ahead touchdown pass late in the game. Manning saved the Giants, not the blitz. I see all the trolls left after I validated my arguement with facts yesterday lol. Where did you go to Mista?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:05 am
al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/news/1215854132308270.xml&coll=3
And I ask my self, was it worth it??
July 13th, 2008 at 5:11 am
facts? haha, you showed several numbers to the same question, used ‘fact’ from writers raiderfans normally wouldn’t touch…
of all your links, many of them had varied numbers, so fact its not, its other people believes, which backed up your arguments….
but lets call it facts, you 30-35%, but how many blitzes in total?? that would be a fact!!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Lmn whats with the link I cant make it work.. =/
July 13th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Post 95- Scotish Raider
I think you are right on with this. However, Just like every other team in the league, If we are down to a backup QB, we are screwed anyway. I think the dumbed down passing offense that we run, which is very much run oriented, will make it easy for Tui and Walter to at least carry the load until we get Russell back. But what difference will it make. Unless of course we are talking about the possibility that Russell may need to be replaced for stinnking up the place. I hope thats not the case.
HLP
July 13th, 2008 at 5:19 am
408…
ahh you using explorer or some crap? i cant post it if there is h-t-t-p or w-w-w in it,I use firefox its the best, and puts that stuff in automatic…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Go read the stats for the game LMN to get your exact number, I don’t need to hold you hand.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:22 am
Johnny Rebel…
hahaha, you just keep on going =) our little duracell bunny… og åbenbart lige såklog
July 13th, 2008 at 5:23 am
You guys in Denmark hold hands alot I hear.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:24 am
yeah you got me… JR goodmorning to you sir its kinda early for this dont ya think???
July 13th, 2008 at 5:27 am
rebel..
show me your fact? a fact is undisputed… that you give us a link to a giants-cowboy game does not help your argument.. come with a link where the numbers are interpreted by a media guy or a former football guys still doesn’t make it a fact…
I’m not disputing you thesis, but non of you guys(for and against) have backed any of your arguments up with facts…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Farve 2 the RAIDERS???? Thats something Mr. Davis woulda jumpped all over Befor we had Jamarcus I just dont see it based on the fact we have all that$$$$$ tide up in the kid.. we need to sign Nnamdi & dump Jordan come on Jerry whats up with the real news…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:28 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 13th, 2008 at 5:23 am
You guys in Denmark hold hands alot I hear.
________________________________________________________
yeah, our girl friends like that stuff, you wouldn’t know since you still are a boy, who lives at your mommas place…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:29 am
There are 3 links above go read for yourself fool.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:32 am
4eva wher u @ bro????? you missed 3 threads already… Any hott asian chicks in Denmark?? thems r my favorite =)
July 13th, 2008 at 5:32 am
this is the closest you can come to facts, the rest is interpretations of reality….
nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29526&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2007&week=POST21
July 13th, 2008 at 5:34 am
408… yeah some, not as many as you guys have, my girl friend is asian, she is adopted, in fact she 1/4 black, from some american soldier =)
July 13th, 2008 at 5:34 am
Good morning Raider fans!!!!!!!!
Another wonderful day full of hope and faith that the Raiders will make huge improvements this year.
I am all in!!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:35 am
Andrews mom…
and Good Morning to you… Ma’am
July 13th, 2008 at 5:36 am
LMN give it up. The Giants front four put most of the pressure on Brady in the Superbowl, not the blitz.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:39 am
black and asian NICE lucky U guy U….
July 13th, 2008 at 5:40 am
U lucky guy
July 13th, 2008 at 5:41 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 13th, 2008 at 5:29 am
There are 3 links above go read for yourself fool.
_______________________________________________________
go to bed again, no reason to make you look stupid… oh to late…
Listen boy, its not facts you posted, its interpretation of what happened…
it seems to me you not the big scholar, because it seems to me you don’t know what ‘fact’ is or means…
But hey, its like when K-rock had his own definition what ‘Faith’ is….
July 13th, 2008 at 5:42 am
# Johnny Rebel Says:
July 13th, 2008 at 5:36 am
LMN give it up. The Giants front four put most of the pressure on Brady in the Superbowl, not the blitz.
________________________________________________________
listen boy, read again, I never disputed you foundings, only your claim that it was a fact. because that it isn’t…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:43 am
I never disputed findings… (or claims/thesis).. even =)
July 13th, 2008 at 5:44 am
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-03-09-sw-defensive-line-prospects_N.htm
July 13th, 2008 at 5:45 am
yo Johnny where u from??
July 13th, 2008 at 5:45 am
408…
yeah i’m a bastard alright =), as long as it lasts, she is maybe on her way out of the country, I arranged a job interview for her. So the bliss could be over soon =)
July 13th, 2008 at 5:45 am
No thesis, fact LMN.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:46 am
johnny rotten, would you call your last link as a fact too?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:48 am
well to me its not a fact, at best hearsay, its Mr Corbetts interpretation of how he saw the game…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:48 am
5 sacks, 4 by lineman, 1 by a blitzing lineback.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:50 am
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=yasinskas_pat&id=3248965
July 13th, 2008 at 5:54 am
dude let it go already.. arnt you the guy who was bashing on THE GREAT TIM BROWN the other day? & your supposed to be a part of the NATION….
July 13th, 2008 at 5:55 am
quantities of unsubstantiated claims… not facts… if they were, there would be a unison number… but since the number floats around, its a reach to call it fact…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Tim Brown is the idiot that sided with Shell over Shanahan and lobbied for Shell’s second return, do I need to say any thing else about your boy Timmy?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Game stats are facts LMN.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:56 am
408…
exactly… its the same guy, so why should we care? right? but to me it seems most here doesn’t know what a fact is..
July 13th, 2008 at 5:58 am
What your point LMN? All out blitzes shut down the pass? State your point or quit trying to argue.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:58 am
the link I posted is the closest we come to facts…
oh so game stat is facts now? seems to me most raider fans said its not, because of the game where gannon had over 35 complete passes…
July 13th, 2008 at 5:59 am
Gannon? I am talking about Brady and the Giants.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:01 am
ufck ratface I wanted Shell to come back also! I didnt know it would turn out the way it did. Every1 makes mistakes.. Dont be hatein on #81 Foo
July 13th, 2008 at 6:01 am
LOL you wanted Shell back after the first time around?
July 13th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Biggest mistake Davis has ever made, but he made the mistake twice, his all time greatest blunder, Art Shell.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Johnny rebel…
I stated my opinion of the matter in january… My point is you don’t know what the difiniton of fact is, and that 30-35% is not a fact… you are on a reach claiming you posted facts, since all the links you posted is unsubstansiated claims, not facts..
I don’t need to have Mistabrwon or Oakglenn to verify how my interpretation of the game was, I watched the game 4 times now, and I still find it exiting.
But if you read what I wrote, you’ll see I didn’t dispute your claims… only your claim that it was facts.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Davis lets his loyalty to friends cloud his decisions. You can’t be a head coach and be friends with the players, just like you can’t be the owner and be friends with the head coach.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Rebel…
i nkow what you are talking about, you claimed that game stats was facts, but game stats doesn’t show blitzes does they?<