Web exclusive column on Ronald Curry
By Sports
Monday, July 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am in Oakland Raiders.
FYI,
There’s another web-only Jerry McDonald column that we’ve posted. This one is on why Ronald Curry, and not Javon Walker or Drew Carter, will be the Raiders’ No. 1 wide receiver this coming season.
Let us know which guy you think will be the team’s top receiver by casting your vote.
Jon Becker
BANG-EB Online Sports Editor
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July 28th, 2008 at 11:49 am
uno…now off to read the article
July 28th, 2008 at 11:51 am
This first stuff is stupid
July 28th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Ronald Curry definitely has the capability to be the number one reciever for us, however I just have this feeling that our biggest playmaker as a reciever will be Drew Carter and I’ve fealt this way since we signed him. I’ve said before that I was hoping the Raiders would snatch him up well before we even picked up Javon Walker. Curry will put up his biggest numbers in the slot because I dont think there’s a nickel back that can handle him, but I think at the end Carter will shine the brightest. Now with all that said,, watch Javon Walker have a pro bowl year!! Crazy. YA KNOW?!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Rick, Hope you are right bro…
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
You heard it here first….Arman Shields!!
I predict he will be our leading receiver at the end of the year.
I’M IN!!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I do not think the receivers are the key to our season, but they will be the indicator of our season. The receivers will be the barometer for the team as a whole.
If The Raiders will have a good year, our receivers have a good year too. If The Raiders are outstanding the receivers will be outstanding too.
If we run the ball well, our receivers will benefit from that. If our defense is solid, it will be reflected in our receiver’s performance too. O-Line = solid, Receivers = solid.
This season, keep an eye on these guys, it will tell you how rest of the team is doing.
raidermot
July 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Tim Brown said to Look out for Curry when norf let him go…
IM IN
always have been
always will be
July 28th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
yo Jerry whats up with makeing us go to some other site to get our Fix?? Are you finally caveing in to OG and moveing twards registration??
July 28th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Without a doubt, J. Walker will be our top WR followed by Curry and whoever can show alittle promise. Maybe Carter, Higgins or Shields, who knows. Honestly, in a perfect situation J. Walker would make a great #2 WR and we could pick-up a proven #1 WR in FA next year and clean house with the rest, maybe keep Curry and one more and let the rest go.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Jerry, nice read…I agree.
I´ve been saying for a couple of months that Curry should play wey well and that´s before we heard about his newfound dedication for the gym:
“I expect Curry to have his best season in 08, he´ll have continuity under Kiffin and will be able to practice and develop a rapport with Russell over camp.”
Curry´s average numbers over the last 2 seasons: 58 catches for 723 and 2 TD´s are decent, but you almost have to put an asterisk next to them when you consider the circumnstances (06 Walsh, 07 McCown-Culppeper).
July 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Brown was the number one and rearly did they send him deep. Curry can be the same and should only be complimented by a deep threat whoever it be. They have enough height and speed that they should be able to find a deep threat. and Russels big arm and accuracy should help the scheem
July 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
good post bob. he did it with some aweful qb play.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“Last season, 30.9 percent of Curry’s receptions were third-down conversions. That’s a higher rate than Moss, Terrell Owens, Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson and one of the best figures in the NFL.”
Great Stat Jerry
July 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I know who the singer is just didn’t want to call you “B.M”
July 28th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Heres my prediction.
It will be whomever JR is most comfortable with.
I hope its someone young who will be JR’s favorite target for the next ten years.
Wouldnt that be great?
Having the same QB for the next ten years?
WOOHOO!!!!!!
Bestest, most exciting year ever!!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
That being said, I´m hopeful that Walker can be the #1 option and the “playmaker”, with Curry the possession, move the chains type of guy.
Kind of like the roles that Chad Johnson and T.J. have in Cincy, with Drew Carter playing the Chris Henry role.
And with Zach Miller working the middle, it should open up some extra room for Curry to operate.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Will someone, anyone, please recognize that the two WR positions are generically the x and the z, not the one and the two. They are also know as the flanker and split end.
Freddie B played flanker, Cliff Branch played SE. Jerry Rice and Michael Irvin were flankers, John Taylor and Alvin Harper were split ends.
Split end needs speed to run deep vertical routes and beat CBs deep. He doesn’t do this every route, or even half of them. The deep threat provides a cushion for routes that get cut off or end end breaking back to the QB. This guy lines up widest and tends to stay wide.
The flanker needs to be a more precise route runner, tends to catch more in traffic, lines up closer to the formation than the SE and tends to work the middle.
In most Os, the flanker gets the majority of the catches. (Not when Favre or Jeff George are running the show.) In this O, with Kiffin emphasizing shorter routes, and his familiarity with Russell, Ronald Curry should lead the team in catches among WRs, and almost certainly will if healthy.
Does that mean that the money spent for Walker was ill-spent? Not necessarily. If he does have the speed, if he can get downfield, if he is therefor a deep threat, he opens up the underneath stuff for Curry and clears out a safety for the running game.
Once again, the vertical stretch is about running the ball.
Sheesh
July 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Absolutely Marley.
Curry and Walker are both 80+/1200yd catch guys.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Kiff said
“The Raiders are letting him take off a practice now and then on double days, but Curry has been catching everything in sight. He looks more fresh and fast than at any point during his career in Oakland.
“He’s improved as much as anybody out here from the end of last season until now,” Kiffin said. “He’s changed his body structure completely. We just talked a lot about it toward the end of last season. He it took it to heart and he’s changed himself.”
July 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
About post 16…
I mean the role of Cincy´s guys, by no means do I expect the same type of numbers from our WR´s. Different offense and more question marks from our guys. Not to mention our powerful ground game.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Thanks Jerry:
Love these little side stories of interest and unknown stats that speak TONS. Hopefully the success of our numerous wide receivers with help push each other to greatness and a good working cohesiveness. I’m hoping that that happens with Fargus, MaFadden and Bush. And, as was mentioned last night, it’s going to be much fun watching our defensive “wreck havoc and pain” to our opponents. They need to inflict pain and they will, starting with Gibril.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Walker and Carter on the outside, Curry in the slot finding the opening in the seam along with Miller, McFadden out of the backfield, sounds good to me.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
My personal feelings are that who’s #1 or #2 or whatever is basically pointless. What you want s a few Wr’s capable of complementing one another, a pssesion guy, a speed guy and a 3rd guy capble of drawing attention deep or capable of working effectively in the slot. How they’re #’d is for conversation only.
Hopefully your 4th guy is as gifted as the #1 that makes you deep at that position. The important thing is wh’s your x, y and z which are all different position in the WCO scheme as well as other schemes.
So Curry could catch more passes than anyone based on his ability to sit in zones or Carter’s ability to bust them. Walker may be called the #1 because he plays the x. Doesn’t mean his #’s will be better. Russell is going to where the open man is and most times that could be the TE so it really doesn’t matter what you want again are talented guy’s that complement each other.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
SNB666, Oakglenn, and whoever:
I’m done here until the Denver game.
If we in, I’ll come to give you guys your props.
If we lose…well, I don’t think I have to tell you what I’m going to do. Then again, you guys probably won’t be here in anyway.
See you guys in September. Unless something huge happens regarding Al or Kiff, I’m only following transactions, and will leave no comments. I’m sure you guys will think every Al hater is me anyway, but I can’t help that.
Later. Enjoy the rest of the summer. Anymore, this is the best time of year for Raider fans.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
post17-right on.each has a different role.in essence,they are both #1s.your split end is your #1 speed guy,your flanker is your#1 position guy.great post Dan!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Allright Birdwell…so from now on we´ll call Walker the Split End and Curry the Flanker.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
They say that so far JR is most comfortable with Drew Carter - Javon Walker over weight and conditioning concerns me a bit - I have a feeling he is going to be slow the first 4-5 games and than turn it up after that (unless he goes all out in training camp which will be hard since there giving him 1 practice off on double days for the next several days) I believe Drew Carter and Ronald Curry will be our best recievers the first half of the season and than Javon Walker will surpass them at the end - No matter what happens I do envision Curry to have the most 3rd down receptions out of any WR - So in the end I see Javon Walker Drew Carter and Ronald Curry pretty evenly which will be pretty dam dangerous givin the fact that Drew and Javon are downfield recievers and Ronald is more of a position reciever - And also lets not forget about Zach Miller who JaMarcus looked most comfortable with at the end of the season - Also intresting to see how much Arman Shields is going to push Jhonnie Lee for that 4th spot -
July 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Curry is most effective out of the slot, he has a knack for findind the opening in the seams like Miller.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Dell,
Hells Bells!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I´ll say one thing..
Last year it was Porter, Curry and either Tim Dwight-Mike Williams-Chris McFoy running out there.
This year it´s Walker, Curry, Carter… and 2 or 3 out of these youngsters Higgins, Shields, Schilens and Watkins.
On paper, there´s no question the talent is much more improved, hopefully it´ll translate.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I know miller is a TE but he will be the #1 reciever for Jamarcus.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Bob your post #16 is exactly what I mean. Back in the day Warren Wells who was the most dangerous reciever ever in Silver and Black would not have been considered the #1 but every 3rd catch was a TD. He complemented Freddie very well. Or Branch probably our second most dangerous ever. Who was #1 Freddie or Cliff, more importantly WHO CARES!! but they complemented each other very well. Same with this bunch they’ll distinquish themselves soon enough and that’s all you need.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I felt the Raiders did a serviceable job on time of possesion last year. I think its near the top of Kiffs game plan.
This years TOP is gonna go way up.
Thats gonna be a tremendous lift to the D-line.
Big year this year, baby!!
July 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Boohoo MR boohoo, I’ll take five years of losing for 5 Superbowls anyday, get a life other than being a negative wanabee Raider fan. PS The wagon has left already and you are not on it.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
the reason Walker was slightly over weight was due to his knee surgery,he couldn,t totally wok out.Kiffin mentioned that at one of the mini-camps.the only concern one should have about Walker would be attitude-will it continue to be positive?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I wish the best for Curry and with all the talk surronding his phyiscal improvement I hope he does become that much better. But that’s one BOLD statement Jerry that he’ll be the best (i.e. #1) WR for the Raiders - very bold.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
What happened to Walker’s supposedly bad knee?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
But hey, you see more than me Jerry.
(Walker, Curry, Carter, Watkins, Higgins, Shields) Thats your six. If not for PR Higgins would be in trouble. From what I’ve read Hollands is raising a few eyebrows.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I’m sorry Bird, I didn’t see #17 but you explained it better than I did.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Priest,i was gone all weekend.how was fridays practice?i missed your run down(don’t feel like reading about 1000 posts to find it).how did Bush look?there doesn’t seem to be much talk about him anywhere.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Curry is the Justin Fargas of the WRs. Nothing special, but a nice guy and hard worker.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Dakota
“HELLS BELLS’ back.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Consider also that we will have All of our RB’s and FB’s lining up catching passes. Kiffin allready talked about having DMAC/Fargas on the field at the same time. To a certain extent throw out “tradition”. Make no mistake about it this will be a USC hybrid offense.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I am so happy we have so much to look forward to this season! JRuss being “THE GUY”…so glad we don’t have to put up with the McCown/Culpepper crap! Running game should be off the hook….we have guys that should definitley compliment each other…Recieving core should be fine if Run game is solid and we can keep Defense off of Russell! Why is Brady so good?!?! He has ALL DAY to throw most of the time!!!
July 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
DCO”S are and will be losing sleep after our demo run against the donkeys,
Raiders 31 - donkeys 3
SB win in 3.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I couldn’t get in Lefty12, so I didn’t go. They’ve got things tighter than a frogs butt up there. So Mike tld me it’s impossible which I did talk another front office person and he concurred. Apparently Big Al is very serious about this season everyone is on high alert.
Hopefully towards the end I’ll just go and see what happens once I’m there. But they are running a very tight ship.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
BTW the Chefs have changed to Shanarats offense now too, just like the Raiders did last year. All of it originates in one way or another from USC, even Davis.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Dakota, I eally don’t get your disrepect for what Fargas did last year, now this same tone for Curry.
what isit that they do that you don’t get?
I don’t care how you do it but hwen you run for 1,000 yards in little more than half a season. My friend that IS SPECIAL. Who do you know that’s done that and isn’t considered a top talent?
Names please?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
What USC does it as an example does not have a “feature back”. Who ever is “hot” that game gets run.
doesnt matter who starts the game it only matters who is doing damage.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
RAIDERS offense will = Explosions. It will be the most etertaining and fun to watch by mid year. IMO would not want to see this O in the playoffs, as anything would be possible.
SB win in 3.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
BHP,
I mean no disrespect to Fargas or Curry, they are nice players, but just that, nice. Great teammates and hard workers, and it is good to have them on the roster as backups, but we need playmakers as starters. We replaced Fargas this year, and hopefully one of the rookie WRs or Carter steps up and replaces Curry this year or next.
If they prove me wrong, then great, that means they are contributing to our winning.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Sorta like saying South Dakota is a “nice” place to live…
July 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
We have one of the strongest backfields in the league, a seriously improved WR corps, one of the best young TEs and a No1 draft QB who can throw a 40 yard pass with NO arc……all we need is an OLine that can establish the run and keep JR upright.
Gallery and Carlisle are good enough. We have good competition for the Center spot. Everything depends on Harris, Green and Henderson at OT. Bottom-line - if our OTs are adequate, our offense will be a real force.
BUT, and its a very big BUT, if our OTs struggle - this will probably be another season of frustration.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Ron Curry was a star QB and basketball player here in VA–he received more attention than Michael Vick in high school. Even though he was a late-round pick who was first tried out as a CB before settling in as a WR, he’s always done nothing less than work his tail off whenever he gets a chance.
If he were to become the Raiders’ #1 receiver–and favorite target of JaMarcus Russell in his 2008 coming-out party–it couldn’t happen to a nicer, more deserving guy.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
curry has been my favorite offensive player since tim brown left. i love the kid.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Only some parts Bo.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I totally disagree but OK. Just nice is 400 yards in 16 games. Curry has lead this team in recieving 3 straight years after learning to play that position at this level. IMO that’s special.
I think they’ve proven you wrong you just don’t know it.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Dakota,i beg to differ.we didn’t replace Fargus we supplemented him.Fargus will still be a big and important part of our off.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
All for being wrong, if it means the team wins.
Dan B — Thank you for that old-school explanation of things. In this day and age of fantasy football, most younger guys (or guys who never played) think all WR’s are in the same category. They don’t even use the term split end.
My personal prediction is that Z. Miller and Curry combined will have about the same amount of receptions as Walker and Carter will. If all of them are 50+, and we still have a top-5 running game, this offense will be putting up some points.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
If they run quick timing routes out of the moving pocket off play action that will negate most of the outside pass rush. Russell does have a quick release and can flick the ball with his wrist with ease for 5 to 15 yard routes. Another way to help the tackles is let a back hit the defensive ends on the way into his route out of the two back sets.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Raider Dell…Re:#154 previous thread.
Very tasty..well worth the effort. How ya doin??
The “job” issue, is rather hectic today, fine w/ me, been kinda slloooww of late.
Good to read that, the O-line looked better at last nights practice. esp. NO false starts.
Jumping in and out here today. Back to the blueprints.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
You know you live in South Dakota when:
Your nearest neighbor is in the next area code, or…
You can tell the difference between a horse and a cow from a two miles, or…
Your mayor is also your garbage hauler, barber, and insurance salesman.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Of course, if Walker and Carter each have 70-ish receptions, it will mean JaMarcus is probably lighting it up, too.
Dakota — You can’t really think a rookie is going to (or should) replace Curry this year, without an injury to him?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
during the off season i was hoping Curry would be our 3rd down,slot reciever and someone else would step up to be the starting flanker.however,after reading about our WRs and Curry in particular,i hope someone else becomes the 3rd down,slot rec. and Curry is the flanker.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Lefty,
Hopefully Fargas will be 3rd string by week one…that means Michael Bush and McFadden are for real. If one of them goes down Fargas is going to be a great backup.
Fargas limits what we can do on offense…he can’t catch. We Fargas is on the field and Russell drops back to pass he will have one less target to use, but if Bush or McFadden are in they will be viable options for Russell.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Whats this about the Queefs changing their offense to mirror ours or Shanarats?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Post 59, exactly….. This offense will put up points We will score and score often.
Consider we do have to stop the run and other teams. but they will have to stop us to so what will they do, the predictable put 8 9 in the box, they ill disquise it the best way they can but make no mistake about it they will unleash on JRUSS. That IMHO will be their biggest mistake…..
July 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
#47
Does USC employ the cut blocking scheme?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
All I have to say is hell mutha f n yeah!!!! My boy curry is doing his thing everyone bashed him about the dropped passes not being fast enough to get deep, and injuries like I said this guy for the last few years has been our bread and butter on third downs and guess what? It won’t be no different this year either. Sure I dig the long ball just like ne one else but id rather consistantly move them chains methodically down the field finding them holes and exposing the zone dfense other teams run and that’s what curry does, that’s why porter, and moss aren’t here they can’t do that……think about it, in our glory days with rich gannon did we have burners at WR? Nope sure didn’t our main guys old man Rice and old man Brown guys that can find the soft spot and get open and im so glad curry has taken a page from their books cause he’s a man that’s not afraid to go in the middle and todays post is evidence of a hardworking raider that has been overlooked through the process!!!! Lets go Curry rootin for ya man!!!!
July 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Yes I read it in a blog entry, moving pocket, roll outs, ect…
July 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
No that is why I calle dit Shanarats offense, its his little spin on the USC schemes.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
As far as the Chefs and cutblocking I have no idea.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
BHP,
First Curry only played 2 games in 2005 (so much for leading us in receptions for the past 3 seasons), and second, who cares which POS WR lead our team in receptions for the past two years? Does it really matter when they only have 60 receptions and 700 yards?
The way I look at it the only thing Fargas and Curry have proven over the course of their careers is that they cannot be counted on because of their proclivity towards injuries. How can any of you sit here and say that we can count on Curry or Fargas to consistently perform at a high level when they both get carted off the field on every other play?
Unreal. They are nice, injury prone backups. If you count on them, you are a flipping moron.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Dakota-i don’t think we’re going to have the traditional 1st,2nd,3rd string set-up.granted,Kiffin will make sure DM gets a certain amount of touches each game,but all the RBs will see action.Fargus has earned the right-more so than either DM or MB.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Bo
I live in Cali.
My nearest neighbor is 3 acres away.
Cows and horses surround me, also some Llama’s.
And I don’t live in a city so we have no mayor a overweight mailperson and our garbage pick up is to far down the road to see who it is and I have to drive 13 miles to get my hair cut.
It sounds like to me South Dakota is like a little bit of Cali too.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Dakota, I disagree with you saying Curry is the Justin Fargas of widereciever. Curry is our number 1 guy has been last 2 years through all the injuries. When we win he has a big game. Yes that was few and inbetween but most wins include Curry big games. I know Curry has had his share of drops, yet I trust him with the ball on 3rd downs over any of are other wideouts. Even if he catches the ball five yards short he has a knack for getting to the first down marker by anymeans.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Teams stacked the box all last year trying to stop this run game - but they just couldn’t. Now we upgraded the Oline (Grove stronger, Harris better than Sims, plus 2nd year in a new system) and RBs (DMC, MB) - it will become manadatory to put 8/9 in the Box. If you don’t you’re f*d. But if you do, you’re still f*d now that we have a QB that can deliver it anywhere on the field.
This is what I saw vs SD & the second game vs Denver. When JR played they just couldn’t stack the box. Denver immediately backed off. And SD tried to stay away from it. This offense will be “can” be very dangerous now that we’ve got a QB as talented as Russell.
Oh and I forgot - we got some new and improved WRs too.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I’m suspect on are passing game until I see it on the field.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Not worried about what the “cookks” try to do or change. F them and the horses they ride, point is teams need to stop us. how will they do it?
6th in the league after 1 freekin year. DMAC, MBUSH, FARGAS as your RB’s. Jamarcus Mutha F@<kin Russell as your starting QB. dont thow in ZMILLER, CURRY, WALKER, CARTER, SHILEDS. How the F are you going to stop us. Explain it please….
July 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
as for Curry-if someone beats him out and regulates him to be our #3 reciever-all the better.that will mean we have vastly improved a weakness on our team.as far as Curry and Fargus being injured all the time-how many RBs and WRs play every game-all game?answer-none to very,very few.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Dell,
I think I drove by your house this weekend! Should’ve waved sorry…
I’ve been all over, and country is country no matter where you go. Its part of the reason I moved away from Venice (Calif.)…plastic fantastic.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Lefty,
Hey, if Kiffin thinks having Fargas on the field at any time is better than Bush or McFadden, well I am not going to argue with him about it, but can you give me an example of a team that used three back effectively without pissing off one of the three backs?
Fargas earned his shot, but hopefully the preseason will demonstrate that Bush and McFadden, the playmakers, can carry the load with Fargas giving them a break once in a great while (or in the 4th quarter blowout when we lead Denver 38-10 on MNF
).
July 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
It’s hard to believe are passgame will be good, as our pass protection has been horrible for years. Yet I do see the potential, lets hope it comes together. Our running game on the other hand will have D coordinaters hating to see us. And we will leave defenses tired and beat up.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Davis signed more talented players in one offseason than some teams get in one decade.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
POST 77, Terp exactly after we demo this new product against the hapless donkeys the mediots will go into meltdown mode f them too.
Nice write up terp that S#!T gets me pumped bro.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
OK, now That you’ve resorted to hyperbole I understand that your reasons are simply emotional.
You don’t like them, nothing wrong with that. But I gaurantee you, it wont effect how the coaches feel.
Adios, sports fans.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
In our offense “hot” man will get the most run. Thats how USC does it, and thats how kiffin will do it.
Kiffin will tell DCO’s pick your poison. Stop Fargas oops there goes DMAC. Clamp down on DMAC oops there goes MBUSH. Stack the box with 8 or 9 which I hope they will try you get torched by any reciever in our arsenal. remember the fourth of july fire works…..thats our Offense.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
BHP, Take care bro good preaching today….where do i leave my offering?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bo
Come on by and have some tasty t-bone steaks that are mouth watering, like you never have had and some fresh corn and I’ll throw in some cold beer.
Let’s party. I can talk Raiders for hours.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
BHP,
Lol, I don’t like them? I really am indifferent towards them, because they are nothing more than nice, injury-prone backups, lol. Doesn’t mean I don’t like them. As soon as a decent WR steps up and replaces Curry the better as far as I am concerned. Same with our NT, RT, LT, and OLB.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Qouestion NATION, What do you guys think about that traitor newberry stating for the dischargers?
Hardwick is on PUP he is the anchor to their o-line but how do you guys think the traitor will fair?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
no team would mind having a guy like curry, imagine what he could do with a qb that can actually stay on his feet and get him the ball. His numbers are great given the situation.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Hardwick may or may not be back to start the season for the dischargers newberry will be starting for them.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Did anyone catch post 24, MR saying he is out of here til the Denver game? Hilarious. He must have been sufficiently humiliated by his latest binge of racist trolling. But fat chance he’ll pipe down. Let me guess the nick of his next fraudulent post…
ChapsWearerInKC
ChuckyAndBruceSittinInATree
SDCripYall
FaiderHaterDater
ILoveArtNoIDontYesIDo
MR, feel free to use any or all, if you haven’t already.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Thec,
I think we know his damn head bob movements so well we should be able to time the pass rush perfectly!
But traitor?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
haha MR. wasnt a real fan and got tired of reading some good information on a team he has no interest in.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Thec
My most passionate Raider brother, if he survives a season on those knees, it will be a shocking event.
The Raiders didn’t resign him due to the his knees and mobility.
I believe the word traitor is to strong.
He is as they say on his last leg, let’s work him over when we play them in September.
Peace my friend.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Newberry was ok as a raider and he’ll be slighly worse as a charger.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
the top two recievers will be the walk man then curry then my boy arman sheilds. quote me
July 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Dell and Dakota, thanks for the re-sync on newberry. I hope he does start for the dischargers…..
July 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Gotta go NATION you guys have fun…
July 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Do yall think Mcfadden returns kicks and punts this year? allah reggie bush?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Thank you RIP for pointing out there is no #1 WR. This nonesense is like saying we need a #1 OT. There are two distinct positions. Madden strikes again at dumbing down the fans.
Curry may very well finish the season #1 in terms of stats regardless of the depth chart.
The Raiders will likely carry 5 WR’s.
FL - Walker, JLH, Holland
SE - Curry, Carter
Watkins, Schillenz and company are battling to unseat Holland or force the team to keep a 6th guy due to talent. With DMAC possibly lining up at WR at times, don’t count on them keeping 6.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I do like the news about Curry hitting the gym though, maybe that will solve some of his injury problems. If he can stay healthy and we can depend on him from game to game…well then that is another story.
He did have a lot of drops last year…can he catch Russells lasers? Can anyone?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Dakota, did you catch that quote in one of the articles, saying if the Niners started there second team offense as defense we should fair well?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
COW-i believe you switched Walker and Curry.Curry is the classic type flanker-precise route running,works well in traffic.Walker is speed.so is Higgins.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
how many games did Curry miss in 2006 and 2007?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
mcfaddenswagon,
I did catch that, and it is probably true! I think our offense would kick the shiznit out of the 49ers offense playing defense, lol.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
If Curry has the drive to hit the gym to get stronger and Burgess shows up with more wieght and power, why can that same mentality rub off on those who need it such as Sands or Henderson?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
haha true, i didnt know if he was takin a cheap shot or what because it was a little out of place.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
T-bone steaks?, ice COLD beer?, and talking Raider football?….I’M, IN!!!…..
I don’t care who plays where and how much at WR. As long as they catch the damn ball!
July 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Lefty,
You got me there….he missed 0 games in 06 and 07. Why does he always seem to be injured? Is it just in my head?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Who is the top receiver in the 2009 draft? Maybe the Raiders can complete their big three with another 4-12 season.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
We don’t need a number one receiver. This team is going to run, run, and run some more.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Agreed much in the mode of the vikings.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
he said it because he mentioned right before that our 2&3 team off. was playing def. in a sequence at practice.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I’m loving all the information i’m hearing, Lane Kiffen instructing Mike Nolan how things are going to happen, now that’s taking charge.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
maybe Mike Nolan can learn a thing or 2.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
in your def,he(Curry) did play hurt last year,,Dakota.and he has had ,what,2 or 3 torn achilles.so in the past he had injury problems.let’s hope they are a thing of the past.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
These homerific posts regalling the prowess of the passing offense really crack me up. How can anybody think that we go from one year to next with a virtual rookie at QB and all of a sudden we have one of the most explosive offenses in the league.
I envision that we will improve overall scoring, increas our rushing totals, but in no way is JRuss is averaging more than 230 yrds per game. If he passes as much as you guys suggest (so Curry, Walker, Miller, and Carter put 50+ catches each), there is no way we have a winning record. That would mean that we are passing more than a good run game would call for.
I long to see good old-fashioned boring games with 40 carries on the ground and the least amount of obvious passing situations on 3rd down.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
so much to look foward too this year. Just to think when the BIG TOPIC here was why not to Draft McFadden.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
we need balance on off.is our def good enough for us to just run the ball and control the clock?it wasn’t last year.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I just wonder if Kiff is wanting to test whether JLH is good enough at punt returning because he isn’t good enough to make the roster as a pure WR?
In terms of receiving ability, JLH is probably competing with Shields, Watkins, Holland and Schilens for the last two or three spots. Shields is possibly quicker. Watkins has the best hands. Holland has real big play potential and Schilens has arguably the biggest upside.
If JLH doesn’t shine as the punt returner, I wouldn’t be too surprised if he doesn’t make the roster.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I would be happy with Miller leading the team in receptions. Worked pretty well the last few years for the Chargers and Gates. They haven’t had a legit #1 in years (not sure if Chambers is a #1)
July 28th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Did you guys see post #24? WooHoo!!! Its about time that loser left, but I’m not sure weather or not to believe it. Let’s all keep our fingers crossed. I doubt he will be man enough to come back in here and give us our “props”, but that’s all to the good, I would just as soonnever read another post from that idiot again, good or bad…
July 28th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Referring to Al Davis as Big Al is ridiculous.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’m glad to see some actual football talk, I told yall once we got football rolling it would be different.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
every thing, EVERYTHING is predicated on how well the oline is this year run and pass blocking. if we cant give our captain the support he needs to run the ship, then our boat will not float in the direction we need to go. I hope Kwamee gan get it together in the pass offense not just him but the whole line. Good news about no false starts and off side penalties on both sides, we need to have the kind of discipline to stay focused and not give teams easy yards or advantages against us
July 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
yes, kiffens running the ship tight I LOVE IT…With kiffens strick approach and Jamarcus laid back approach should balance out well.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
i agree mcfadden i just love this guy kiffin already, when i saw what he had as far as play calling and being in the game………i truly believe he is the right fit for this team, and also James lofton finally someone to get the most out of our recievers can’t minimize his affect on the young guys either!
July 28th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Offensively, we need balance to some extent, but it is still paramount to control the passing game just as much as the run game. We can’t be pass happy like the Pats, Rams of the early decade, or any other pass first offense.
I think a viable blue print for success this year is Big Ben’s 1st year in Pittsburg. Lots and lots of run to set up high perctage passes. Big Ben, of course, had a better O line and a better D, and better WRs than JRuss has, but the analogy is the same.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Let me be clear - No. I don’t expect everything to go something. I don’t expect us to be putting the NFL on fire in the immediate future. But that possibility is out there. Still JR has a lot to learn about the game. Looking forward late in the season into next, its hard to see how anyone can stop the weapons we have stockpiled on this team. Sure we can improve in areas but still not many teams have this kind of talent at QB, TE, & RB. We’ll see how WR goes but that too is looking pretty rosy.
This offense has the potential to rank up there with the Colts and Patriots - just unstoppable. If you really think about the Patriots, while that offense was exceptional in was truly one-dimensional. They lit the NFL on fire b/c they had the top QB in the league the top WR (arguably of all time talent wise). He drew all the attention and opened everyone else up. Brady knew how to exploit it. But they were one-dimensional. I would say the Colts actually have a better offense.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
i agree but at the same time I disagree with ya terrapin, the pats were one dimensional because they chose to be, they have a good run game but no team the whole season could stop their passing game it was deadly, they only ran the ball to soften up the d a little and then take it to tthe air……..of course we cant do that, and i dont care i’d like for the raiders to have an identity to pound you in the ground with the beef and the serve the desert to finish off the meal and come away full and happy with a win
July 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Another thing that makes this team especially dangerous though is our Secondary. On paper, its like non-other in the league. If or when this offense hits its stride, this Team will be hell to stop. This offense could force teams to air it out and try to score and score quick. That’s when our corners and safeties could have a feeding frenzy. Its hard not to get excited but as of now “Its all on PAPER”
July 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Dan Birdwell is correct about X-Y receivers, flankers and split ends.
The way I understand the use of the term N#1 Receiver is the Split-End, the outside guy, the vertical guy. Javon Walker, Randy Moss. We need that part of the game to be stepped up.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Terrapin, I understand we have a lot to look foward to, a hungry young coach and team, plenty of talent, and a young qb with gifts that other QBS only dream of. Not to mention a running attack that will be dynamic to say the least.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Scottish, how do you know who has better hands among our rookie WR’s. They havent played 1 single NFL down, are you at practice?
# Scottish Raider Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I just wonder if Kiff is wanting to test whether JLH is good enough at punt returning because he isn’t good enough to make the roster as a pure WR?
In terms of receiving ability, JLH is probably competing with Shields, Watkins, Holland and Schilens for the last two or three spots. Shields is possibly quicker. Watkins has the best hands. Holland has real big play potential and Schilens has arguably the biggest upside.
If JLH doesn’t shine as the punt returner, I wouldn’t be too surprised if he doesn’t make the roster.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Yes, Our linebackers and secondary our probably are greatest strengths, and I’m glad to hear that derrick burrgess is the most impressive, considering he is in a contract year, I look for him to pile up sacks.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Absolutely correct - They choose to air it out and it cost them in the end. In the Super Bowl it looked like they actually forgot how to run it. Their Oline was pass blocking for what seemed like over 80% of the time last year. (So in my book after so long not running the ball they became one dimensional. Even the great Farve was complaining last year about passing it too much - he knew they couldn’t win like that - in comes Grant.)
July 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
he must be at practice to make a comment like that lol
July 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
point well taken terrapin
July 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
yes, the patriots met there krypotnite in the form of the giants pass rush.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I’m happy to see Kiffin punishing stupid mistakes in practice, false starts, etc. With our run game being what will set up the pass, we can’t get penalties that force us into obvious passing situations. Russell is going to make some mistakes when he has to force the ball.
The other interesting thing to watch for is how Aso performs this year with Hall on the other side. Other teams will have to test him more often. IMO he will be great but we’ll see. I want him to earn the BIG check from Al after this season.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Whats ur opinion or burgess, because if he has a big season u know he’ll be looking for a big contract.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
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July 28th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Did you guys read this? It’s a good article on someone we haven’t been hearing about…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/27/SPO0120G8T.DTL
July 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Fuk the Patriots…I hope LaMont Jordan accidentally runs over Tom Brady…
in the parking lot…
with his big Cadillac SUV.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Just a little math exercise. Why not? It’s the wild guess time of year.
16 games
30 passes attempted per game (avg)
60% complete
480 attempts 288 completions
Curry 60
Miller 80
Walker 55
DMAC 35
Carter 35
Griffith 25
Carter 25
Oh wait - that’s too many! Well, the 50+ for 4 guys seems unlikely. Realistic expectations mean 1-2 50+ guys period.
I’d think more likely -
Curry 58
Miller 55
Carter 40
Walker 35 (injury or attitude shortened season)
DMAC 25
Griffith 25
JLH 20
Madsen 10
Others 20
Madsen is a perfect example of the fact that even if you look good catching the ball, you don’t get catches because there are only so many balls to go around.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
146…I did, and posted a comment this morning but the threat was dead, so re-post:
Read an article on Jay Richardson from sfgate.com
For some reason we seem to think that the Richardson we saw last year is the same guy we´ll get this season, as if young players don’t usually get better with experience.
Here´s a guy with ideal size at 6′6 280 to play both End spots and maybe even move inside on certain (passing) situations. He could bring a lot to the DL if he keeps improving, as he should.
“Last year at this time, (Richardson) was just trying to get lined up,” coach Lane Kiffin said, “Now he’s recognizing things and seeing different things around him…”
On the flip side, I´m pretty certain Tyler Brayton made all-rookie team and that didn´t turn out so well. Of course, Richardson is not being asked to play OLB.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
WARNING, this is for El Dirty’s eyes only,
El Dirty,
I do not think it was a brown recluse, here is a picture of a brown recluse bite:
http://thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/brown_recluse_spider_bite_Day9.jpg
July 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
does anyone know where someone can go and get the current contract statis on players and coaches?
July 28th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I hope Richardson can improve his pass rushing and point-of-attack defense. He can chase running plays down away from him but was less effective getting off blocks in plays right at him. We need him to improve.
The other issue is the fact he is dominating the likes of Mario Henderson. Our D-line has looked great in camp the last few years against OUR O-line. While I know our O-line is improving, we are hardly world beaters in pass blocking and are blocking without cutting.
Need to see if Richardson can keep it up against real NFL players going all out. Beating Henderson with half his tools on the shelf hardly gets me stoked.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I am confident that Kiff is turning the ship around.
Playoffs in 09!!
July 28th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Yeah Richardson, was a huge surprise last year, great size, stout at the point of attack. Great to hear he’s developing a nice pass rush.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
If Miller gets 60 catches, Curry catches 60 would be a disappointing dink, dunk offense. The 2 Wideouts need to lead the team in Receiving, to be a balanced, explosive offensive threat.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Dakota
I cant see it… It says “forbidden” must be good.
Marley
I agree I think if he improves in his pass rushing skills he is an every down player.
Cow
I also agree we have to see what he does againts better tackles… But 1 of our strengths of our O-line is the run and if he is chasing down McFadden… that has to impress you a little…
July 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
As far as the term “#1 WR” is concerned, IMO, it´s not a technical term such as SE and Flanker, I believe that over the past few years is used more to indicate productivity, as opposed to where the WR lines up on the field, which is what the term SE and Flanker refer to.
An example would be the Raiders when Tim Brown was our Flanker and #1 WR for years. But once Jery Rice, the greatest Flanker of all time, joined the team, Brown remained at Flanker and Rice moved to Split End and it didn´t take long for Rice to overtake Brown as the “#1 WR”.
Same goes for the Rams Torry Holt and Ike Bruce. Bruce was the Flanker and “#1″ for a while but when Holt arrived at Split End, he was considered their # 1.
And with the passing game becoming increasingly sophisticated over the last decade or so, WR´s are moving constantly all over the field looking for better matchups and in a way, they play a bit of SE, FL and Slot in every game.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
later nation catch ya’ll tomorrow or later tonite if I get around to it peace.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Some encouraging comments from Kiffin yesterady about Sands:
“Q: You talked at the mandatory camp about Terdell [Sands]. What do you see now? He looks fairly enthusiastic out there, and he’s bouncing around a little bit more. Does he look like he has kind of turned the corner in that way?.
Coach Kiffin: Terdell [Sands], two years ago before I was here, had a good year and did some really good things. His weight was down, and he was going the right direction.
(Now) His weight is down. It is as low as it has been since I have been here, but not as low as it was two years ago. He has a good bounce to his step and he is practicing harder. He is focused on football.
We need him to play and we need him to help because he is a dominant run player at times and if we could get him to do that at a consistent level then it would be an exciting thing.”
July 28th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Bedpan Man — I see COW already did a little math fun for us, but just for kicks I wanted to look at a few real stats from last year. I took the 2007 rankings from “middle-of-the-pack” passing teams to see how many completions they had. I also threw in those same teams’ total rushing carries just to see how they compared to their completion totals. (Nothing too scientific, just wanted to see it on paper).
To think the Raiders could be middle-of-the-pack as a passing team this year is not too much of a reach.
Passing Offense Rankings in 2007:
#15 Chicago = 327 Total Receptions, scoring an average of 20.9 Points Per Game
#16 Tampa Bay = 316 Receptions, scoring 20.9 PPG
#17 Jacksonville = 288 Receptions, scoring 25.7 PPG
Rushing Offense Rankings in 2007:
#2 Jacksonville = 522 Total Carries (scoring 25.7 PPG)
#11 Tampa Bay = 449 Carries (20.9 PPG)
#30 Chicago = 443 Carries (20.9 PPG)
Last year the Raiders had 508 carries, 260 pass completions, and averaged just 17.7 PPG. By all accounts the offense was horrendous. But, if you look at Jacksonville’s run-to-pass ratio, it almost mirrors the Raiders. Of course, they happened to do a lot more with their offense, scoring 8-points more per game than us — and ended the season at league #7 for total yards gained.
Even if the Raiders run about the same amount of carries as they did last year, it is absolutely possible for the team to have around 300 Pass Completions this year (that’s about 19 per game). 300 Completions could easily mean that 4-players have 50 catches, with the other 100 completions spread among the backs and other receivers. Or, it could mean two guys have around 70 receptions apiece, which would leave 160 receptions to be split among the others (like, 4 other guys could have 40 catches). Pretty simplistic view, but not unrealistic numbers at all.
If the passing offense can reach 300+ receptions, while maintaining their upper-tier status as a running offense, this team will be putting up numbers similar to what Jacksonville did last year. If that’s the case, and if the Defense does its job, the team will be in the Playoffs. That’s not being just a “homer” — that’s being a realistic homer.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Some guys just don’t have that intensity.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
And speaking of Sands…….No Grady Jackson for us…
“The Falcons and Grady Jackson are back together. The on-again, off-again relationship with defensive tackle is back on.
The Falcons and Jackson agreed to a one-year contract on Monday, according to his agent Angelo Wright.
Jackson, at 6-foot-3, 365 pounds, is one of the biggest defensive tackles in the league. He was with the team last season before being released by former coach Bobby Petrino after the team’s 1-6 start.
Jackson and the team had a riff the previous offseason over a defamation lawsuit that was eventually settled.
“It’s contingent on him passing the physical and everything,” Wright said. “He wanted to be in Atlanta.”
Oakland, New England, Jacksonville and Green Bay had expressed interest in Jackson.
After being cut by the Falcons last season, Jackson was picked up by Jacksonville where Falcons head coach Mike Smith was the defensive coordinator.”
AJC.com
July 28th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
First!!
July 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Will we get an after practice update today?
July 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Looks like Kiffin is reading my quotes again. Sands actually played well at times last year, he was just not at all consistent on the field. He’ll be better this year.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Practice is just ending, it’ll take a couple of more minutes for Jerry to do a write up. It’s a little hard for him to write stuff up with Raider security chasing him thru the parking lots.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I think Zach Miller and Ronald Curry will be neck and neck when it comes to 1st downs because Walker is a medium route to deep receiver. Carter is a deep receiver while Curry and Miller are short to medium route guys. Walker and Curry will allow those 2 the ability to get JR out of trouble on a consistent basis. The scary thing about that, is it also leaves McFadden open in the flats as well as I’m sure he will play more of a 3rd down back type of role. All he will have to do is catch a short pass, make a linebacker miss and sprint for a first down. He’s got the speed to do it. We have alot of weapons in the form of question marks and it all sits on the shoulders of our tackles and how they protect JR.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Walker and Carter will allow Curry and Miller the ability to get JR out of trouble I meant.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I’ll give Mr Davis that. He runs a tight security team
July 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Miller will out perform all of the WR’s if he and JR continue thier continuity of last year.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I believe Fargas will be our 1st and 2nd down back. McFadden will be our 3rd down back because he has the running/receiving/speed threat. Bush will be the back that comes in with 1 yard to go or less. Now, I’m sure there will be some mixing and matching but I believe thats how it will play out on a consistent basis. Kiffin was very adament about sticking with one guy most of the time and I think Fargas will be the recipient until he gets hurt (if) he gets hurt.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Remember they will probably have Zach spending a lot of time lined up on the left side if you know what I mean. That will cut down on his reception totals especially early in the season.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Are Brady & Manning the Best QB’s right now?
How many catches do their WR’s make as opposed to the TE’s? anybody?
July 28th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell - Thats what paranoia will do. Hate seeing those Lamont Jordans and Randy Moss’ go to the Pats ya know?
July 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
KoolKell - Without looking at the stats, you make a good point about the greats and their TE’s but Brady and Manning don’t have great TE’s in my opinion. If you look at Romo…hes pretty good during the season and he relies heavily on Jason Witten who happens to be a great TE.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Gotta clean…peace.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Great post Bob #157, especially in the 3 and 4 WR sets. Guy’s going in motion. What you’re trying to do is get matchup advantages. RB’s split out wide. Which Charlie Smith used to do often. We even had FB’s taking LBers deep down the sideline when Marcus was here.
When you’re backs and TE’s are in the passing game the way we have over the years. It’s just basically forcing the defense to defend the entire field. I gaurantee you DMC and MB will lineup outside essentially taking a wide split like a split end.
It’s Sid Gilman phylosophy to stretch the field.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Huff24, Dallas Clark is a great TE very much like what ZM hopes to be. To be honest “it’s a new one like the old one but it’s new”.
Very little in this game is new, that’s true with all the major sports that have been around for more than 50 years.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Great QB’s and great passing offenses are identified by their QB’s & Wideouts.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
re 148 COW… you forgot Bush in your calculations… yet I like the general depth of thought.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Practice ended 45 minutes ago, maybe Jerry is writing a long one.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Huff
Dallas Clark is a great TE… And Ben Watson is up and coming
July 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I dont know if i would make a designation who our number one back is at this point. In fact I would venture to say that we will not have a traditional number one back. Who ever is “HOT” will get the run. also of note Kiffin said it himself ” we dont know who the starting rb will be” competition is open just like at USC. Its not about who starts but who does the most when he gets touches. Who every does the most for that game will get the most run. Around mid season this team will have established a true identity but we will not be a traditional offense. If you want to see how we will roll you tube USC the few years….esp with kiff as OC
July 28th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
A Tight End is 50% O-lineman.
If he’s your leading Receiver, we’re in trouble.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
KK right now he just needs to get comfortable, first things first. The rest will come trust me, it takes time to develope the kind of chemistry you’re demanding. But I do agree with you.
This kid Shields sounds like a young Tim Brown. But these kids need to be developed alng with the passing game.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Having a Tight End as your leading receiver, is like having your QB as the leading rusher. Not supposed to happen.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Mistakes will determine a lot as well. I don’t think Kiffin will be as patient as last year.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Huff
What they do have in common is a great O-Line. Wich allows them to be great.
July 28th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I can’t wait to see DMC hit a seam the way Nap used to. When he is on, DMC will makes some of the most explosive plays you’ll ever see. Then you fllow that up with a “bull rush” by MB and a “balls out” run by Fargas.
This running game will scare the crap out of a lot of defenses.
July 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
The lights are gonna shine so bright Monday night against the Broncos… the Stadium will be totally rocking… and with Denver starting in a hole already w/o last years leading receivers…. and Walker with a chip on his shoulder…not the mention the Al sized chip on Kiffens… under the lights… Black will be so bright!
July 28th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I heard lt from the dischargers is only going to go 2 more years. he is going to go out like barry sanders, and oj great back zero rings. I for one would like to see him stay as they are on the way out and dwon back to where they belong….
July 28th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I remember I was fired up for a Monday Nite opener a few years back, I was sitting in the South endzone when Chief QB Rich Gannon hit Andre? with a bomb down the sideline as time ran out. Brutal.
July 28th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
gAWWWWd kk… That Rison catch was enough to bring up all the happy hour treats all at once… Brutal is light… Played well enough to win…only to as we did so many times (in the past) blow bubbles in the end. I’m in… I think as Kiffen said… “when we first got here… it was different… much different than it is now” …
July 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Raiders 31 - cooks 3
July 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Nation 33 - Donkeys 17
July 28th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Just heard on the shield from kiffin that Hall likes to come up and hit not just a cover guy. also said that huff “was” out of position. This is the shiled from yesterday as i missed it.
July 28th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Call me crazy, but I believe Carter will become the #1 WR followed by possession receivers Walker & Curry in no preferable order.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Blackholepriest,
Gotcha. It’s amazing how people insist on using their own invented terminology — and end up confusing the issue — when there is existing terminology that is much clearer.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Ronald Curry is not a #1 NFL receiver.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Guys the # 1 recievier is D. curry and don’t forget TE Zach Miller He might move soon to that position,because He is the only one who can handle JR arm.
However # 2 will be Walker,He used to arms with speed and streght like used tobe with Favre,remember?
Any way will se the best season for the raider Nation.
Speedyr8ders.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am
A little history….
Comparing Jerry Rice with Warren Wells.
http://www.contemporarycollegealgebra.org/newsletters/84Sep08.html#5