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Sanchez signed, Jackson cut

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Beat writer Steve Corkran reports the Raiders have signed Nick Sanchez, a safety out of Stanford, and cut linebacker Malik Jackson.

Report to follow after practice today . . .

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298 Responses to “Sanchez signed, Jackson cut”

  1. Quagmire'd Says:

    Nick Sanchez?

  2. Ryder Says:

    second

  3. Ryder Says:

    who cares both are going to be no name players who make no difference for the nation

  4. KoolKell Says:

    666,

    I was bleedin Silver & Black before you were born.

    You’re a desperate wannabe to something you know nothing about.

  5. MikeBush Says:

    I beat up Mike Tyson

  6. Quagmire'd Says:

    guess they need someone to cut the grass over at the Alameda training facility….lol.

  7. los angeles raiders Says:

    another safety?? damn, can we please get some wide receivers and some o linemen up in this biatch?

  8. RaiderDogg Says:

    this just shows that Al is listening to Kiff, bringing in some more warm bodies to increase competition and decrease veteran reps.

  9. los angeles raiders Says:

    I know that talent pool is shallow, but there has to be some arena league ,europe guy that has shown some kind of potential…bring in more competition AL!

  10. La Milicia Negra Says:

    fantastic.. Thats great news, who are they?

  11. Ryder Says:

    wow another player that adds no real depth

  12. Oakglenn Says:

    They got rid of Malik Jackson, that’s OK as long as Hartwell Brown is still on the roster.

  13. los angeles raiders Says:

    jim walker and tommy ratkins

  14. Ryder Says:

    O F*CKING LINE DAMN I SWEAR THESE COACHES ARE PISSING ME OFF DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL PLEASE AND GET SOME BLOCKERS YOU PIECES OF SH&T

  15. los angeles raiders Says:

    CUT gRANT IRONS CAMPAIGN O8

  16. Ryder Says:

    check that…..AL IS PISSING ME OFF……AGAIN

  17. Quagmire'd Says:

    Lol…post 12.

  18. los angeles raiders Says:

    i WANT TO SEE more mcfoy and holland..

  19. los angeles raiders Says:

    whos the wr with the long hair ..oakglen?

  20. Quagmire'd Says:

    watkins

  21. Oakglenn Says:

    That is me out there!! How did you guys figure that out?? Actually that’s todd Watkins. He has longer hair than me. By a tiny bit.

  22. Dmac20 Says:

    Damn… Can we bring in chris henry please.(:

  23. RaiderMight Says:

    Al’s trying to upease Lane. :)

  24. Dakota Says:

    Fukin’ Chin3se! (Disclaimer: I do not mean the Asian or Oriental race, just the Chin3se) (Disclaimer to the disclaimer: and when I say Chin3se, I mean their Government and its policies).

    What did I miss, it looks like there were some mass comment deletions while I was gone, did things get out of hand?

    muhahahaha

  25. Ryan Says:

    I hope Madden 09 comes out with a roster update online for this move, soon.

  26. garthraider Says:

    Wow,im going to buy the bar a round!

  27. McRaider Says:

    MR,

    Al’s issue with Kiff is that he is trying to hire and fire coaches, but that was not written in his job description.

    Al ans even kiff has stated that in the last two draft they got the players that they wanted. he might not like the coaches, and some player he might not be able to get rid of, but there are players on the team that he wanted.

    oh and wasn’t he the one that ask Al to trade Moss. If so, Al did it for Kiffin.

    To answer your questions, Kiffin has not earned the right hire and fire as he pleases.

    Do you think Jerry Jones would allow even a vet like wade to hire and fire who he wants.

    The difference is that Al is always the bad guy and take what you read and here on tv as fact. Learn to think for yourself dude.

  28. Oakglenn Says:

    Watkins actually had a really solid game. He ran good patterns, caught the ball, showed some speed. I think Lofton might be able to turn him into a player.

  29. Yoda Says:

    Sanchez - he will be cut in two weeks. McFadden for president.

  30. Dakota Says:

    Sanchez:

    At Stanford: One of the team’s most experienced defensive players as a fifth-year senior, who the Cardinal will count upon to be an anchor on the 2007 defense … Hopes to return to form after a 2006 season hampered by injuries that limited his action after having moved into a starting cornerback role in 2005 … A heady player who should be one of the team’s defensive leaders … Stanford’s active career leader with 100 career tackles, while adding 5.0 tackles-for-loss for minus 10 yards, three interceptions, two forced fumbles, two fumbles recoveries and 12 pass breakups … Scored a touchdown in 2004 when he returned a punt that a teammate had blocked for 11 yards versus Washington.
    Career Statistics
    Career Game Highs: Total Tackles - 11, twice • Solo - 9, twice • Ast - 4, four times • TFL - 2.0, at WSU (10/8/05) • FF - 1, twice • FR - 1, twice • INT - 2, vs. California (12/1)

    The 2007 Season: Finished his Stanford career with 153 tackles, 8.0 TFL, seven interceptions and one TD on a blocked punt recovery in the end zone against Washington in 2004 … Started 24 games at cornerback over his last three seasons … Led the 2007 team with four interceptions, while contributing 53 tackles (fourth on the club), 3.0 TFL, one forced fumble (at Arizona), one fumble recovery (at USC) and three pass breakups … Had two of his four picks in the final game of his collegiate career against California for the only two-interception contest by a Stanford player in 2007 … Had a huge game at Arizona with a 2007 season-high nine tackles, 1.0 TFL, an interception and a key forced fumble late in the fourth quarter to help secure a 21-20 win
    Game-By-Game Statistics
    Season Game Highs: Total Tackles - 9, at Arizona (10/20)• Solo - 9, at Arizona (10/20) • Ast - 3, vs. California (12/1) • Tackles for Loss 1, twice • Int - 2, vs. California (12/1)

    The 2006 Season: Had a difficult campaign that was hampered by injuries that limited his playing time … Was able to get in 11 games despite nagging injuries but started just five after starting all 11 games in 2005 … Was able to get back in the starting lineup for the last three contests … Managed to contribute 27 tackles (19 solo, eight assists), 0.5 tackles-for-loss for minus two yards and four pass breakups … Had his best game in a starting role in the first game at the new Stanford Stadium against Navy when he had a season-high six tackles … Also had a season-high-tying four solo tackles versus Oregon State and at Arizona State, while recording two of his four pass breakups in a 20-3 win at Washington.
    Game-By-Game Statistics
    Season Game Highs: Total Tackles - 6, vs. Navy (9/16) • Solo - 4, twice • Ast - 4, vs. Navy (9/16).

    The 2005 Season: Had a breakout season earning the Deswarte-Eller Award as the team’s top sophomore … Started all 11 games at cornerback and ranked second on the club with 71 total tackles as well as third on the squad with 46 solo stops … Tied for the team lead with two fumble recoveries … Tied for second on the squad with two forced fumbles and two interceptions with both sealing victories at Navy and Washington State … Added 4.5 tackles-for-loss (-8 yards), a pair of picks with 11 yards in returns and four pass breakups … Had a career-high-tying 11 tackles against Notre Dame and at Arizona with a career-high-tying nine solo stops in each contest … One of his forced fumbles came at Arizona … Had both a forced fumble and a fumble recovery to go with six tackles versus UCLA … Forced his other fumble at USC … Also had seven tackles at both Navy and Oregon State.
    Game-By-Game Statistics

    The 2004 Season: Earned his first varsity letter as a backup cornerback … Played in 10 of 11 games and recorded two tackles, one pass breakup and one interception with the pick coming against Brigham Young … Scored a touchdown when he returned a blocked punt for 11 yards versus Washington.
    Game-By-Game Statistics

    The 2003 Season: Did not play as a true freshman cornerback.

    In High School: Very gifted three-sport athlete from Glades Day School in Florida … Three-year letterwinner in football and basketball … Four-year letterwinner in baseball … Played running back, wide receiver and defensive back throughout his prep football career … Rushed for over 1,200 yards, scored 16 touchdowns, had six interceptions and registered 46 tackles as a senior … For his career, he gained over 2,700 yards on the ground, scored 50 touchdowns, had 17 interceptions and made 120 tackles … All-State defensive back as a sophomore and senior … All-State running back as a junior … All-County defensive back his junior and senior seasons … Four-time All-Area selection with three as a defensive back and one as a wide receiver … 2002 Small Schools Defensive Player of the Year in his district … Team MVP in both football and basketball as a senior … Helped his teams win district championships in football, basketball and baseball in 2002-03 … In basketball, he averaged 15 points, five steals and five assists in his senior year … He was named All-Area after averaging 20 points, four assists and four steals per game as a junior … Selected to play in the USA Junior National Competition … Four-year starter in baseball as a centerfielder … Hit .482 and had over 20 stolen bases as a senior … Member of the 2003 Florida Academic All-State Team, which honors 12 male and 12 female student-athletes who excelled in at least two varsity sports … National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete in 2002-03 … Very active in community and volunteer service … Named “Who’s Who in High School Sports” as a senior … Class Valedictorian … The 12th member of his family to be honored as Valedictorian.

    Personal Information: Communication major … Member of the National Honor Society.

    Getting To Know Nick Sanchez

    Nicknames: Sancho, The Kid, Dirty
    I would describe myself as a person as: Funloving
    What people don’t know about me is: It’s hard to tell, but I was valedictorian of my high school class
    The reason I love football is: The competition that takes place every day whether in practice or a game
    I pattern my play after: Ty Law
    For me to improve as a person, I need to: Be more organized and get more sleep
    My favorite pre-game ritual is: Listening to music
    My greatest athletic moment is: Scoring a touchdown against Washington my freshman year
    The biggest thrill in my life to date is: Coming to Stanford
    The teammates I admire the most are: Peter Griffin and Michael Miller
    My favorite stadium in which to play is: Our new stadium
    The toughest player I have faced in college is: Dwayne Jarrett (USC)
    Friends from other college football teams are: Stanley Arnoux (Wake Forest), Larry Taylor (Connecticut), Brannan Thomas (Lehigh), Brad Garrett (Quincy)
    The reason I chose Stanford University is: The best mix of athletics and academics in the country, plus the good weather
    Since coming to Stanford, I have learned: Time management
    The best thing about Stanford is: The people
    My favorite class at Stanford is: Ancient Athletics
    My least favorite class at Stanford is: Stats
    What sets Stanford apart from other college football programs: I think as a whole, we are a lot closer than most teams out there
    The sports teams I followed when I was younger: Miami Dolphins and Atlanta Braves
    When I played football as a kid, I pretended to be: Deion Sanders, Barry Sanders, Mark Duper
    The people I admire most are: My parents
    If I could spend a day with anyone, it would be: Jessica Alba
    The people in history I admire most are: Jesus Christ, and anyone who has given their life to protect our country
    Best book I have read: The Hobbit
    Favorite Food: Steak
    Least Favorite Food: Seafood
    If I had to cook all of my meals, I’d probably survive on: Eggs, bagel bites and microwave dinners
    Favorite Movies: Varsity Blues, Troy
    Favorite TV Shows: SportsCenter, Family Guy, The Simpsons
    Favorite Actor: Will Smith
    Favorite Actresses: Salma Hayek, Jessica Alba
    If a movie were made of my life, the actor who would play me is: Brad Pitt from Troy when he was swoll (buff)
    My ultimate SportsCenter highlight would be: Intercepting a pass and taking it back for a TD in the Rose Bowl
    Favorite musical groups or performers: Ludacris, Ja Rule and Nelly
    If I were not playing college football, I would be: Playing college basketball or baseball, probably for a smaller school
    After my Stanford career, I’d like to be remembered as: Someone who made the game fun and was well respected by his teammates
    The best advice I ever received was: Never settle
    The people who had the greatest influence on my life: My parents
    The places I’d most like to visit: Hawai’i and Australia
    The favorite places I’ve visited: Bahamas or Canc´un
    Hobbies: Fishing, sleeping, watching movies, golf and going to the beach
    Ten years from now, I’d like to be: Finishing up my NFL career with my wife and kids
    My advice to youngsters: Don’t give up on your dreams
    If I won $1 million, I would: Buy a Cadillac Escalade EXT and give the rest to my parents
    The one thing about college football I would change: Pay the players

    Last Updated: December 18, 2007

  31. El Davis Says:

    Oaktown players being interviewed live on Sirius radio, online.

  32. Oakglenn Says:

    And that was the knock on Watkins. He always had talent, and his junior year at BYU he tore up the WAC. The scouts thought with top notch pro coaching he could develop into a solid guy. I think he’s on his way.

  33. KoolKell Says:

    Dakota,

    If the Chin3se quit lending us money,???????
    I think you need to worry about our own Govt policies, and get us out of the ditch your crowd ran us into. Whaddya think about that pilgrim?

  34. Dakota Says:

    Did you catch his nickname….Dirty….Sanchez, LMFAO! I can’t believe the editor of that site fell for that one!

  35. los angeles raiders Says:

    cant wait to get the ” kid dirty ” in here!

  36. Dakota Says:

    KK,

    So you are in favor of the Chin3se government over our own? Nice one buddy. Very smart.

  37. los angeles raiders Says:

    this just in: sanchez is filipino

  38. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Hey Lane, your working with six less players this year, get over it.

  39. Dakota Says:

    Sanchez:

    The people in history I admire most are: Jesus Christ, and anyone who has given their life to protect our country.
    __________________________________________________

    NICE!

  40. Stanford Cardinal Sin Says:

    Dirty Sanchez used to back up Rusty Trombone at Stanford

  41. los angeles raiders Says:

    lol

  42. Scottish Raider Says:

    Wow, Nick Sanchez is a longshot. He was an average CB at Stanford and had a history of injuries. Granted, he played very well against Cal and others in 2007 but, he wasn’t ranked in the top 50 DBs at the 2008 draft. He attended Raiders mini-camp in May but didn’t seem to make much impression.

  43. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Oh no, not the Jesus card. Cut him before its too late.

  44. KoolKell Says:

    No Dakota,

    It just that simple minded haters only see things in black & white (lol black & white hehe)

  45. Stanford Cardinal Sin Says:

    I have an old Jesus throwback just hanging in my closet, never to be worn…

  46. Unknown Says:

    Get that “little pecka” Kell!!!

  47. EndZoner Says:

    trade in old camp fodder for some new camp fodder

  48. Scottish Raider Says:

    Kevin Huntley just got cut by the Redskins. Remember him?

  49. los angeles raiders Says:

    I’ll take Sanchez over ” I only practiced like twice during training camp Wesley”

  50. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Funny how Jesus is shown as a blonde anglo saxon when in reality he looked like Saddam Hussein.

  51. KoolKell Says:

    Oakglenn,

    If anybody in the Raider Organization thought of signing Randy Moss to be a leader is stupider than I thought.

  52. Dakota Says:

    KK,

    You are the simpleminded one when telling someone to ignore the atrocities in Chin@ simply because our economy is in a recession. I feel sorry for you because of your narrow-mindedness on this issue.

    FREE TIBET!

  53. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Vikings lost a starting safety today.

  54. EndZoner Says:

    WOW! free Tibet? Where can I go to pick some up…

  55. Ryder Says:

    like he is injured or they traded him sith?

  56. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Dakota would you prefer to adopt a chinese baby or an american?

  57. JediRaider Says:

    Good one oakglenn - maybe sanchez knows hartwell brown from thier days at Stanford :)

    We need SLB, NT, C, OT, and OG competition. We’re stuck with the WR’s we have - unless we want Chris Henry and my guess is that he benefitted (much like Jerry Porter when he scored 9 TD’s with Rice and Brown) from playing the slot surrounded by two pro-bowl WR’s - he just might not be all that great. Nobody else on the street is going to beat out Curry and Walker anyway, and I actually like the competition at that spot with Carter, Higgins, and Watkins with Holland, Shields, and Schillens pushing them.

  58. los angeles raiders Says:

    Dakota being trendy with the tibet thing…its back in style..I guess

  59. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Injured.

  60. Chris in NY Says:

    Stanford Cardinal Sin is killing it right now.

  61. Oakglenn Says:

    KK, why would you think that??

  62. Ryder Says:

    hey jedi drew carter is ahead of curry now on the roster by the way

  63. Oakglenn Says:

    Moss was a 10 year vet, who really wasn’t a problem before coming in here.

  64. KoolKell Says:

    Dakota,

    You don’t give a sheit about Tibet or anyone else. The only thing you care about is White Power!

  65. Dakota Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
    Dakota,

    You don’t give a sheit about Tibet or anyone else. The only thing you care about is White Power!
    _______________________________________________________

    Lol, say whaaaat?

  66. garthraider Says:

    Dakota,thanks for the info

  67. Unknown Says:

    Pimp that “pecker snail” Kell!

    We like that

  68. KoolKell Says:

    Everybody knew who Randy Moss was since his rookie year.

    The only leader in the Raider Organization is Al Davis, why don’t you hold him accountable.

  69. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Dakota,
    I guess I went too political in your defense from MR’s attacks and my truthful thought about the Chinese Gov’t and the posts all got deleted. lol

    SilverNblack666 Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    Results thus far in the

    Online Olympic event of Verbal Troll Bashing.

    Dakota scored a 8.8 a 9.2 and a 9.8

    Exlaraiderseasonticketholder just scored a 9.9 a new record!!

    Oakglenn is holding steady at 9.1

    Jim (ct raider) and Quagmire’d are still waiting their turn however

    LOL-LOL-LOl

    But that troll has left for now!

  70. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Moss has always carried baggage. Shell is the one who said Moss needed to be a leader.

  71. Stanford Cardinal Sin Says:

    something something darkside…

    something something complete…

  72. KoolKell Says:

    Randy Moss scores TouchDowns, that’s his job.

  73. darkknight01 Says:

    Which WR’s will they keep is the big question. Will they keep six? Or will they keep five? I think they should keep 6 personally…

    For sure/most likely
    Curry
    Carter
    Walker
    Higgins

    On the bubble..
    Watkins
    Schilens
    Shields
    Holland

  74. DarthPirate Says:

    The Raiders need to keep rollin’ guys through.

    I’m pissed, I was listening to Sirius NFl, and they were talking to McFadden, and they got to talking about what his rookie song would be and then my car battery died.

    Oh well, some good interviews with Kiffin, THoward, Captain Kirk, and part of Mcfadden. Oh and Tom Flores too.

  75. Dakota Says:

    Exla,

    You are the man. Thanks.

  76. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Sith Lord Davis Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
    Dakota would you prefer to adopt a chinese baby or an american?
    —————————————————-
    If Dakota adopted a Chinese baby, it would become an American.

  77. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Moss needs to learn to run block.

  78. Unknown Says:

    Kell

    I don’t know why u play with little “pecker chicks” anyway. That “Devil” lust for attention!!

  79. Emdub52 Says:

    The dude seems like he’s got a thing for brad pitt. Don’t know what to think about that.

  80. JediRaider Says:

    Ryder - curry and carter were placed on the depth chart as tied (”carter/curry” for the #2 WR position. Carter started because curry was injured - I would love for Carter to beat out Curry because Curry is a good #2 WR in the NFL, so that would be a good sign if he got beat. Personnally speaking, I think the real depth chart would have Curry and Carter staring and Walker at #3 or 4 but his cap figure says he plays.

  81. KoolKell Says:

    One characteristic of stupid people is that they think everybody’s stupid, Unknown.

    An Old Japanese proverb says when talking to people around others, you need to clearly state when you disagree, lest everyone else listening think you’re stupid as well.

  82. Dakota Says:

    The Moss fiasco was a bad decision by Al Davis. Let’s see, why don’t we trade for a malcontent and place him on a team that has no stability from the top down and then let’s pair him with QBs like Collins and Aaron Brooks and I am sure everything will work itself out!

    Al blew that one.

  83. Emdub52 Says:

    They need to keep six. Watkins makes it 5 with either Schilens or Shields being the 6th. Hopfully Holland will make the P Squad. To much there to only keep 5

  84. Coach on Wheels Says:

    YAY! THE RAIDERS READ MY POST!

    I said last night we should work out young guys in hopes of finding the Watkins-type gem at S, LB, DT etc instead of bringing in hasbeens and retreads.
    Go Sanchez!

  85. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Shell caused the Moss downfall, he was alright under Turner but injured.

  86. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Old Chinese Proverb:
    Virginity like bubble - one prick all gone

  87. McRaider Says:

    BTW,

    I agreed with getting rid of Randy. I am just pointing out that Al listen to Kiffin and did what was needed for his to succeed as the HC.

    I can’t stand Randy and wanted him GONE after he quit like a BIOTCH

  88. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Another Proverb:
    Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok

  89. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    China has statues of American mothers around the adoption centers, do you know what they are? Fat Afro-American women. But Americans would rather go get a warped Chinese baby instead of adopting from their own even when the Chinese discourage the practice but cannot stop it because of over population.

  90. Dakota Says:

    New Chinese proverbs:

    If you disagree we will kill you;

    If you buy our products we will poison you;

    If you give us favored trade status we will screw you;

    If we can’t build it, we will steal it from the US.

  91. 408RAIDER Says:

    Quagmire’d Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
    guess they need someone to cut the grass over at the Alameda training facility….lol.

    racist biotch

  92. KoolKell Says:

    I don’t blame Randy, and OBVIOUSLY he was correct in his assesment of the Raider Organization.

    Great Atheletes like Moss, Jordan, Kobe etc, don’t have time to waste on bullsheit. There’s championships to be won

  93. KoolKell Says:

    Committment is a two way street!

  94. darkknight01 Says:

    They need to keep six WR’s! Can Shields step it up and make it a battle between him and Schilens?

    On another note:

    Russell and the WR’S need to be talking to each other more from what it sounds like right now when it comes to getting on the same damn page in the passing game.

    The need to step it up! They need to be hungry, confident and make positive things happen!

  95. Coach on Wheels Says:

    Actually, I blame Moss’ upbringing…

    Anyway - who cares?

    Told you guys two weeks ago 5 WR’s with DMAC and Madsen spending some time pretending to be wideouts. Walker, Curry, Carter, Higgins and Watkins. Kiffin confirmed the 5 WR will be kept in an interview on here.

  96. Dakota Says:

    I actually felt sorry for Randy Moss while he was here. Yes, he quit on us, but Al did nothing to surround him with talented coaches or players. Moss needed a structured environment like NE, and Oakland was totally wrong for him.

    Randy is just Randy, Al should have known what he was getting.

  97. Chris in NY Says:

    Sanchez is just a camp body to have around for practice and the preseason because of our banged up secondary.

  98. ChargersChoke Says:

    Did anyone else see Marion Barber run over Archuleta and that CB for a score in Chicago last year? I mean he literally ran over them and walked into the end zone. And now we givew this guy a shot?

    http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-070923bearsgamer,1,3730074.story

  99. Coach on Wheels Says:

    NO WAY! Sanchez is a FREAK!

  100. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    This team will run its way to victories this year while Russell learns to read and make correct decisions throwing the ball, the receivers need to be able to block first.

  101. KoolKell Says:

    Randy Moss & Aaron Brooks, yeah that’s a good idea.

  102. Dakota Says:

    The Raiders/Raider fans crying about how Randy Moss acted while he was here is like ignorant parents that are angry and surprised when their pit bull rips their child’s throat out; what the hell did you expect?

  103. hawaiiR8DR Says:

    Dakota- Thanks for the bio on Sanchez! Now, lets see if he’s just a warm body the Raiders use, or actually make the team.(I really don’t think he’ll make the team).

  104. Coach on Wheels Says:

    With Sheilds at WR and Sanchez at safety we will dominate!

    Oooops sorry. I’m in a sarcastic mood.

    Do hope the youngster can surprise everybody and upgrade our secondary depth. After the starters, Johnson, Eugene and company aren’t exactly the guys you want seeing a lot of time on the field.

  105. KoolKell Says:

    Norv Turner had the brilliant idea of using the greatest offensive weapon in the NFL as a decoy, in favor of Ron Curry etc. That was bad enough

    Then, here comes Art Shell and the Jerry Porter mess and 2-12

    He’s suppossed to waste his talent, time and career until the Raiders figure out what they’re doing?

    Try telling that to Michael Jordan, or Kobe. No, these players have a fierce desire to win. And if you aint winning, they’re going to be very hard to get along with.

  106. Quagmire'd Says:

    Hey 408, I resent that….I got Filipno cousins.

  107. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Al has abandoned trying to reload or patch things up. He has listended to Kiffin and gone for youth with a long term plan instead of reload and hope to make a run year after year. Part of that problem was created by Allen and Lombardi building a veteran roster, but obviously they had Al’s blessing. Kiffin is getting what he is asking for but it’s not like there are good players dropping from the sky. The Raiders special teams have been bad for the last several years and the tackling has been the most obvious problem. Bringing in players willing to hit and make the tackles will greatly improve the teams fortunes over the past few years. Keep bringing in young players that can tackle as Kiffin suggest Al, no matter what anyone else thinks.

  108. Coach on Wheels Says:

    Oh, MICHAEL Jordan KK. I thought you meant Lamont the first time you posted.

  109. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Brooks was a Shell decision.

  110. Dakota Says:

    Everything and anything dealing with the Raiders is an AL DAVIS decision….how can you call yourself a Raiders’ fan if you don’t know that?

  111. Quagmire'd Says:

    Brooks was a bonehead decision…I called that from a mile away, even before the previous year was finished. And that’s not sometghing that I’m proud of at all.

    The Raiders waited entirely too long until all the other QBs were signed then settled for the leftover.

  112. Dakota Says:

    Al Davis is not the delegating type. Just ask Kiffin, he openly stated that he gave Al input on the draft but had no idea what Al would do with that input. Al Davis is the driver of this bus, good times or bad times.

  113. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Yeah right, the only reason Shell won the first time around is Davis was telling him what to do. The second time around Shell got to do it all his way.

  114. 408RAIDER Says:

    call it like i see it Quag! Raider on

  115. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    This defense will have a mixed-bag of formations and schemes, and players will be asked to do different things. Sanchez is exactly the kind of teachable “reach” the team needs. His signing not only shows they’ve addressed a need, but also indicates the team isn’t quite as concerned about a few other positions on our minds. That could be a very good sign.

    This is Rob Ryan’s year. He knows it, he’s got one last chance to show what he can do, and he’ll be more daring and creative than one might think right now. Along with his new ‘do, it’s time to make his own mark on an NFL career like his Daddy did. It better be happening before the Bye week.

  116. KoolKell Says:

    COW,

    We’ve had our squabbles, but I tell ya. I’m sure glad to see you posting. The knowledge quotient has gone waaay down around here.

  117. Quagmire'd Says:

    Hey 408, I am the furthest thing from a racist….if anything i hate everyone equally…lol.

  118. Raiderbaitor Says:

    Most of you already know this and very few of you probably care anymore–Stu Schweigert was signed by the N.Y. Giants. Now that’s a move that’s certain to get them back to the Superbowl! And you guys are down on the Sanchez signing.

  119. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Davis has to be the delegating type now because he can no longer walk to the practice field. This guy Dakota is delusional or paranoid.

  120. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    dakota: remember when someone nabbed me for the Euro (referring to people) well, no oriental people. haha

    by the way, you had a lot of defenders when you were gone.

  121. 408RAIDER Says:

    LOL Quag :P we’re good bro its nothing!

  122. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    kk: what’s wrong w/ white power? YOu’re only one k away from it! hahaha

  123. KoolKell Says:

    Hehe.

  124. SDRaidah Says:

    Don’t we have a million LB’s on the roster now. Whats one more? Is “Game Ready” gonna make the team, better is he gonna play in a preseason game, better is he gonna practice? What’s the deal with Sam Williams and Robert Thomas if we keep bringing in LB’s?

  125. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    exla: i did a rap. it was on line for a while and then deleted. someone must have read it. i could have got a 10!

  126. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    these guys r here for rep[s so we have enough bodies to run a play

  127. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    KoolKell,

    Yes and No*.

    These cats got designs on the world that eclipse any political decisions we can make. The proverbial die has been cast…soon all of you will be working for me.

    Time to go relax on my bed made of cash and sip my morning coffee.

  128. 408RAIDER Says:

    anybody listen to sirus 2 day?

    Sanchez is a camp body nothing more.. we cant have our WR’s running plays aginst ghost’s… the encourageing thing is Kiffin went after AL (like a biotch) thru the media and AL gave him what he wanted!! =) Kiffin better produce this year or its c ya later by!!!

  129. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Lowdown.. i want a raise! it figures you use the term “cats”! :)

  130. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    Oh, and Hartwell played well, IMHO, and continually met the runner at or behind the line.

    Haven’t seen that since Danny Clark was with us.

    Gibril Wilson is bringing back visions of a fast Eddie Anderson.

    I pray Hartwell plays himself into a starting role on base D.

  131. KoolKell Says:

    Ever read of the “Boxer Revolution” Google it. The US tried to conquer China with Opium.

    When living in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

  132. Coach on Wheels Says:

    Thanks KK

    As the season approaches there is more material for intelligent discussion. After Tenn we’ll start having an even better feel for what we’ve got.

  133. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    Randy Moss?! Some of you more intrepid types can probably go back and find some clips of Randy telling us how he would help change the culture around here, win again, and lead by example. Those types of terms are just lip-service from a quitter.

    Al did blow it with the Moss signing. Big-time. But, it’s those kinds of mistakes that make being a Raiders fan more tumultuous than other teams’ are. Every time Al sticks it out there, I thank him for having the balls to continue trying to win…as opposed to most of the league, which would rather take the easy paycheck than take a chance.

    And, all you guys saying Al blew it, and should be replaced for stuff like that — if you were posting on this (or any) forum back when Moss was signed, you were probably praising the move up and down. Just like every other attitude problem/serious head-case that comes through here, you all should’ve been waving red flags. Instead, it was just old Al, screwing the pooch again. Thanks for nothing Big Al!

    Al spends his relatively marginal profit margin — his own salary, if you will — to improve this team year after year. He has had a long, bad spell, but he’s seemingly done the right things so far in turning it around this time.

    I look forward to the next time Al does something interesting and controversial, and am glad no other team’s got an owner like him.

    How’s that, KK?

  134. Raiderbaitor Says:

    KoolKell-
    So did the Japanese.

  135. McRaider Says:

    What about all the bad teams that Tim Browm was on? Did you see Tim quit?

    No! He showed up every week and never quit.

  136. KoolKell Says:

    Yes the Japanese were brutal in China. But I’m not talking about the Japanese. I’m talking about America, my country!

  137. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Brown would drop enough passes to wonder if he was quitting when things got tought.

  138. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    tough.

  139. 408RAIDER Says:

    Thats because he was THE GREAT TIM BROWN!!

  140. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    K2,

    The reverse is on Jackson.

    China has been given the Green Light for years…while we were bickering about Affirmitive Action, Abortion, et. al., these cats have been putting together an action plan that makes Herr Adolf look positively amatureish.

    You know me K2, I did my military time, served my country from ‘87 to ‘07. Love my nation and my Raider Nation…that love, however, doesn’t preclude me from seeing the storm that is coming.

    In the interim, as Wyatt Earp said in Tombestone, “I already got a guilty conscious, now I want the money”.

    Oh, and the Chinese must be using the same refs here that do the Raiders’ games, we are being screwed.

  141. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Brown was good but not great.

  142. McRaider Says:

    Brown was not dropping many passes when he was in his prime you idiot. He was one of the best WR inthe game

  143. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    I disagree, I watched him drop many a pass. He cried about making it to the Superbowl and then proceeded to drop passes in that game too.

  144. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    I remember one year in Cincy if they won they would make the playoffs and Brown dropped like eight passes, in his prime.

  145. McRaider Says:

    You don’t know jack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  146. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Whatever.

  147. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    Brown scored with a punt return, Kickoff return, rushing, and (duh) by catching the ball.

    Rice can’t say that, Moss can’t do it, Andre Reed and Chris Carter are but shadows.

    Yeah, Tim Brown was Great.

    And Timmy had 47 head coaches and 246 different QBs…factor that in and Timmy is a Diety minor.

  148. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Good but not great.

  149. KoolKell Says:

    I believe you Lowdown, all the more reason for the USA to start handling their business intelligently. Hell China holds about 80% of our financial paper. We need to get out of debt to them, diversify our energy sources and lead the R&D in the new green world.

    China will be #1 soon regadless probably. As the US accended, Europe did not go away, and neither need we.

  150. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Yeah and Rice is one of the main reasons the Raiders became good under Gruden, Brown took a back seat once Rice arrived. Rice was a great receiver.

  151. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    The problem with China is pollution. People are getting cancer early in life from drinking the water.

  152. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    Tim Brown and Marcus Allen played their respective positions at about the same level of excellence. Not always the greatest, but normally as steady as you could hope. Neither guy did super-human things (with the exception of Marcus’s electric SB run, of course), and they each had a career long enough to distinguish them as greats of the game. I appreciate their service to the cause — when they weren’t behaving like divas — and admire their accompishments greatly.

    Freddy B. was the Raiders best receiver ever.
    Marcus had the greater career; but for injury, Bo Jackson was the greatest RB ever to pull on the Raiders uni.

    Bo Jackson…now, that was a great Al Davis coup!

  153. 408RAIDER Says:

    yo sith ufck rice!! every 1 has an opnion! TB was great! u think he was just good.. we disagree… Now STFU about my boy LOL :P

  154. KoolKell Says:

    Lowdown, you be careful over there shipmate.

  155. Raiderbaitor Says:

    I have no respect for Randy Moss cashing his huge paychecks and not giving an honest effort but seriously; a team led by the bumbling Aaron Brooks, Jerry Porter sitting on the bench for “unspecified reasons”, the offense directed by a guy out of coaching for more than a dozen years, while the head coach stands on the sidelines showing no emotion whatsoever while the team embarrasses itself game after game. Now there’s a situation that’s really going to inspire players. That season was lost before it ever began.

  156. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    I did not like Brown pushing Shell on Davis back in the day either. The one folly of it all is with Shell round two he talked Al out of drafting Leinart and they got Russell instead because of Shells losses. :)

  157. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    K2, Paul Kennedy nailed in back in the ’70s with The Rise and Fall of Great Nations. The gist being “over spending” is the vanity of Great Nations, and likewise their demise.

    Damn, even those commies in Beijing don’t have the socialized programs that we have. And anyone caught taking bribes or kick backs (Contract workers at Black Water I’m looking your way………) are executed.

    Brown used up his legs on punt and kick returns…Rice, despite being older, was fresh comparatively fresh. Rice had Taylor and Owens.

    Brown had??? Mervin Fernandez??? The Rocket?? James Jett?

    We improved immediately upon Rison showing up and having a head coach that used Brown correctly, instead of telling Timmy to “just go deep”.

    Way to Art Shell.

    Hostetler should sue.

  158. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    You guys should get back to football before the inevitable happens, and the raci$t BS starts to fly.

    You’re all wrong, and you’re all right. About something. Give it up already.

  159. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Adam Schefter just reported on NFL Network that the Raiders just acquired Chad Johnson From Cincinatti for Ronald Curry and Michael Bush.

  160. Thec Says:

    No way……

  161. Moss hater#1 Says:

    Kool kell randy nor kobe is in the same class as jordan. yea they all have talent but only one of them have character and thats jordan. That’s why jordan is and forever will be recognized as the greatest player to ever play his sport. And the reason jordan has 6 championships. When things didn’t go well for chicago jordan didn’t complain, he took charge and encouraged his teamates to do so. That’s what champions do. Kobe and randy just get mad point the finger and give up, and need other players to make them look good. It took shaq to make kobe a champ and the patriots (a team already champions) to make him look good. Jordan played for the bullets and you never heard him bash the team or stop playing. So never mention those two assholes in the same breath of a true great player.

  162. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    j/k

  163. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    Hostetler should sue. He should’ve had a sit-in in the middle of the playing field when Shell was so lost back then. The game was moving too fast for the incomparable Art Shell, and that was hard to watch. Hoss paid a heavy toll for it, too. Art was overwhelmed then, and he was more than overwhelmed during Art II.

  164. Oakglenn Says:

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Everybody knew who Randy Moss was since his rookie year.

    The only leader in the Raider Organization is Al Davis, why don’t you hold him accountable.

    Al Davis is not on the field.

  165. Lowdown in Beijing Says:

    K2,

    1)I got these lil b@stards outnumbered;

    2)My wifes’ dad is connected; and

    3)Throw at football at teenager and suddenly they are perplexed. Something wrong with a boy that can’t throw a 10 yard pass…Great now comes the Gannon remarks.

  166. 408RAIDER Says:

    Ha ha ha … No way we give up Bush

  167. Raiderbaitor Says:

    “Swervin” Mervyn Fernandez. Rocket Ismael. James Jett. How can a team lose with receivers with great names like that?

  168. 408RAIDER Says:

    Thec

    he got you dude!! LMAO :P

  169. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    We really need a reciever though….hahaha I wouldn’t want to trade Bush either!

  170. Sith Lord Davis Says:

    Good post HayesDaze. But lets not overlook Browns accountability in the coaching decisions, for starters he liked Shell over Shanahan, now thats laughing stock material.

  171. darkknight01 Says:

    Howies Neck roll:

    Get outta here!??!

  172. Thec Says:

    408, I have to admit i did google it…..

  173. 408RAIDER Says:

    it was funny tho :P

  174. vegas raider Says:

    It was great when Timmy at his old-age returned that punt against the Chiefs for a TD. Man the joint was rocking. Lesson was as always, make the team re-kick after a penalty.

  175. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Nah….just playin’ slow Raider day…

  176. 408RAIDER Says:

    Hoss was the man! I’ll take him over Gannon!

  177. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Mervyn’s son Joe was a damn good return man and WR at Fresno State….should bring him in….for kick returns at least.

  178. Thec Says:

    That would have been a bitter sweet pill. I dont want to give up MBUSH, or Curry…..

  179. vegas raider Says:

    Hoss over Gannon? What are you smoking out there man?

  180. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Sorry Thec, 408 and DarkKnight

    got your heart goin a little bit?

  181. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    howie’s neck: wtf.. dude i jumped out ofhere to all the espns and checked all the websites. thats f’d up!

  182. Thec Says:

    HNR, you have no idea… I was trying to google that fake rumor you put out almost lost my mind.

  183. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Yeah, but Ocho Cinco can fly man! He is a nut case…but just watch him come off the line…DAMN!

  184. vegas raider Says:

    Wasn’t Joe Fernandez a donkey last year?

  185. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Sorry Fella’s….LOL….I would have done the same thing CT!!

  186. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Vegas,

    No I think he almost was a Seahawk, but didn’t make it.

  187. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i love bush! i’d rather receive a bush than a johnson!

    hahahhahahahaha

  188. Moss hater#1 Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IogivYKL9Eo Just reminding you all why I hate moss. And all of the nation should as well. I posted it earlier but for those who haven’t seen it check it out. Now kk tell me how do you justify this type of play? The next year he had 23 td’s… He simply wan’t trying, F*** randy I hope he goes down burnin like he deserves and never wins anything in this league or any other for that matter.(;

  189. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Could you imagine…..Play Fake to McFadden, Russell looking deep….CHAD JOHNSON IS ALL ALONE!!!

  190. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    Tim Brown rubbed a number of people the wrong way, but he took it upon himself to be “Mr. Raider,” speaking for everyone (even if they didn’t agree). He should’ve been more of the company man he professed to be (and no, being a company man doesn’t always mean you’re a yes-man). It doesn’t lessen my appreciation for his long and great service, but Tim’s surly attitude tuned-out a lot of people.

  191. thec Says:

    Before mid season,Walter will be starting QB

  192. Thec Says:

    Hey guys we got a troll in here. Post 191 is not me….
    Hey chocolate rain guy how are you doing?

  193. Oakglenn Says:

    Ain’t gonna happen thec

  194. HayesDaze#37 Says:

    But, Tim Brown never quit on his team like Moss.

  195. SilverNblack666 Says:

    Hoss is a way better choice than Gannon come on seriously Hoss won a super bowl!

  196. Thec Says:

    Hey chocolate rain got your meds?

  197. Oakglenn Says:

    Guess Who??? The guy who wants to come in here and ruin everything. What a shock. Now he’s posting as Thec. Normally he posts as me. What a fooking loser.

  198. Thec Says:

    Troll you could even be that clown I Will…..

  199. SilverNblack666 Says:

    The troll is back I see. This morning we invented a new Olympic event!

    Online Olympic troll bashing.

    Some of the earlier scores were.

    Dakota 9.2 and 9.7

    Oakglenn 9.2 and a 8.8

  200. SilverNblack666 Says:

    I will go back and show you the posts that earned those scores.

  201. 408RAIDER Says:

    cronic

  202. KoolKell Says:

    Tim Brown IMO was a posession receiver.
    The Raiders best posession receiver was Freed B, IMO

    Deep Threats:

    Cliff Branch
    Art Powell
    Warren Wells
    1,2,3

  203. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Anyone think Archuleta has a chance at LB? Whatever happened to Sam Williams? When healthy, he is a stud…another Fresno State guy! I know, I know…I’m a homer.

  204. Oakglenn Says:

    # HayesDaze#37 Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    But, Tim Brown never quit on his team like Moss.

    I don’t know if any of you have ever heard me tell the story of Hoss getting his bell wrung in the Monday nite game in Denver and he starts calling New York Giant plays. Tim Brown took control of that situation. Moss would have walked away.

  205. Oakglenn Says:

    HNR, No.

  206. Raiderbaitor Says:

    Hey, Aaron Rodgers looked pretty good for the Packers last night. Didn’t the Raiders need a QB in that 2005 draft? I think we picked right before the Packers did. We took a CB named Washington. Whatever happened with him? And the QB we did pick? This year we’ll get to see Jamarcus and Aaron show their stuff. Maybe someday, somewhere, Andrew Walter will get his chance. As far as who will have the best career, my pick is Rodgers.

  207. Howie's Neck Roll Says:

    Don’t forget about Dokie Williams!!!

  208. Dirty Sanchez Says:

    I’ve got more of a chance to make the team than archuleta.
    -DS

  209. KoolKell Says:

    Dokie Williams, aahh yeah, I almost forgot ;-)

  210. vegas raider Says:

    Archuleta could work in a weird hybrid D, but no way does he see even 20 snaps a game as a regular LB.

    Post # 195: Gannon would have won the Super Bowl on that Giants team, and no way would Hoss have led us to the 02 Bowl. Just my opinion

  211. Raiderbaitor Says:

    I always thought his name was Dookie Williams.

  212. SilverNblack666 Says:

    Vegas I doubt Gannon could have played for Bill Parcells so no he would not have won that super bowl.

    That’s my two cents on it

  213. Oakglenn Says:

    Rich Gannon was a league MVP. Hoss never quite achieved that stature.

  214. 408RAIDER Says:

    Vegas

    Nothing against Gannon I just liked hoss better! We dissagre thats all

  215. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    S&B666: you never scored my rap! it was deleted 10 min later so it should have registered!

  216. 909raiderlifer Says:

    Jerry Mac….

    Tick…Tock….

    Time for our FIX..

    Thank you…

  217. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    408/vegas: two totally different types of qbs. each his own

  218. vegas raider Says:

    Why do you think Gannon wouldn’t have been able to play for Parcells? Same arm strength as the Hoss, practiced hard as hell, and focused on not turning the ball over. Curious why you say that

  219. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    hoss had shell. hoss had a different kind of offense. hoss was tough as nails. gannon was very accurate

  220. 408RAIDER Says:

    Jerry ur breaking my balls! Camp broke 1 hr 7min ago make with the fix dude!

  221. 909raiderlifer Says:

    (ct raider)….

    Give us the club mix, of that…

  222. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    parcells doesn’t open up offenses. he would have had to drop back, hand off a lot, hit TEs more than RBs.

  223. vegas raider Says:

    Agree to disagree 408. Pass it to the left

  224. Oakglenn Says:

    Jim (ct raider) Says:
    August 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    408/vegas: two totally different types of qbs. each his own

    Exactly. Gannon was an MVP, Hoss QB’d a Super Bowl win.

  225. vegas raider Says:

    Raiders are 4.5 point underdogs on Friday. Don’t the sportsbook know that we own the preseason!

  226. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    909 i can’t remember it now.. did you read it???

    i used a 3s company theme.

    Mrs Roper (MR)
    i forgot the rest… it rhymed and ended in B me. (but b l o w) were spelled out. about an 8 liner! damn it! i can’t remember

  227. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i don’t know how much parcells would enjoy gannon changing the plays. Parcells also liked to throw down field. i’ll take them both as long as i have different coord and different players around them.

  228. 408RAIDER Says:

    Vegas

    yup! If every disagreement in here was that easy this blog would be a better place!!

  229. SilverNblack666 Says:

    KoolKell you sneaky little senile old man. I saw you talking smack about me when I was not here.

    You sir are the reason Raider fans get accused of having such a low IQ.

    You come in here and lay claim to the fact that you have some kind of depth and insight to add to the blog about our team.

    This is what you posted last week and I had to correct you because you all knowing ass didn’t know what it was talking about.

    You claimed the Raiders would be copying the broncos for their cut blocking scheme and you asked all of us how we felt about that.

    I kindly reminded you of a guy named Bob Mckitrick who taught the cut blocking scheme in 49er land way before Shanahan got a hold of it.

    So this is the wonderful insight that KoolKell brings to the blog!!!

    Ans he has the nerve to call me stupid. LMAO!!

  230. darkknight01 Says:

    I think Gannon and Hoss were the same type of QB…both were tough as nails, were solid leaders, focused on not turning the ball over and were mobile.

    Hoss started doing really well when Shell was finally fired and White brought in the west coast style with short 3 and 5 step drops and quick passes.

  231. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    s&b 666: quit ignoring me! did you read my rap?>??

  232. thec Says:

    Harvey Williams @rb,Barnwell @rec ,lets sign more talent for competition

  233. 909raiderlifer Says:

    {ct raider}….

    Missed the original.. must have been good, to get ripped..

  234. SilverNblack666 Says:

    Jim (ct raider)

    I am sorry I was not here for your rap and I could not score it.

    Did you by chance save it so I can see it?

  235. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    no damn it. it took 2 budlights and a serious focus to come up w/it.

  236. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    i’m irish… i won’t think of another one for 50 more years!!!!!!!!!

  237. KoolKell Says:

    Hey Lane Kiffin,

    The Raiders don’t need to be a “pass-heavy team, throwing the ball all over the place”, But:

    You will have crucial 3& longs that will desperately need to be converted, trust me.

    You Will at times play from behind and need to score

    You Will Not always have 8 minutes to put together a 15 play Field Goal Drive.

  238. Thec Says:

    Hey troll on post 232 nobody respects you…
    I wonder what you do for a living, I hope you dont work with children…

  239. SilverNblack666 Says:

    I would take either Hoss or Gannon because I liked watching them both!

    So I wouldn’t want to say one is better than the other all I was pointing out was the fact that Hoss did win a Super Bowl and that should count for something.

    Jim CT lets see the rap man!!

  240. 408RAIDER Says:

    CT

    well take a shot chase it with a bud lite (gross) and give us a new 1!!

  241. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    when gannon was qb we had the same prob. our biggest plays were garner over the middle and taking it to the house.

    now we have mcfadden AND