Training camp, Day 20
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 12th, 2008 at 6:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Tuesday’s practice:
– Nnamdi Asomugha left the field with a foot injury that was getting a close examination from the medical staff.
“(Nnamdi’s) foot was bothering him about a third of the way through practice,so we sent him to get an X-ray,” coach Lane Kiffin said.
Asomugha sat out a good deal of Monday night’s practice as well, but Kiffin said the first the team heard about any problem was Tuesday.
– Tuesday’s practice in terms of the passing game wasn’t as bad as the previous evening, perhaps. Well, other than than the four interceptions.
But on the second-to-last day of training camp, Kiffin figured a public assessment of the Raiders’ play was in order before they board a plane bound for Nashville, Tenn., and a date with the Tennessee Titans.
When it was suggested that maybe it was time for camp to be over, Kiffin begged to differ.
“No I don’t think so. I wish we had more time. The reality is I don’t think we’re very good right now as a team,” Kiffin said. “Whatever that first game was, I think we’re going to have a big test going into Tennessee against that team. If we don’t have our stuff right and our guys aren’t right we’ll get run out of that stadium real quick.”
Veteran fullback Justin Griffith did not disagree.
“I agree with coach Kiffin. We’re in the development stages right now,” Griffith said. “In the first preseason game, you’re out there and you’re all excited. You see what you have and I’d say we did pretty good. But Tennessee is a different team, the coach has been there for a long time so their system has been in for awhile and their defense is one of the best. It will be a good test for us, going into a different environment.”
Kiffin hasn’t minced many words since camp began, and it’s true the Raiders offense _ particularly the passing game _ has been poor for the last two days. Still, it’s precisely the kind of comments a coach gives when a team is coming off a promising preseason opener and headed on the road.
He wouldn’t rule out double sessions when the team got back to Alameda if things don’t progress as hoped.
– The Raiders had at least a few decently timed plays in the passing game, as opposed to the debacle Monday night. There was also the encouraging sign of Javon Walker having the best day of any Raiders wide receiver, catching at least five passes and playing with some burst and enthusiasm.
On a reverse roll by quarterback Andrew Walter, Walker came back a good five yards to make a catch before going out of bounds.
“Good job working back, Javon,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
Then again . . .
Marques Tuiasosopo overthrew Drew Carter, who tipped the ball directly to a waiting Michael Huff at free safety.
JaMarcus Russell threw an inexplicable pass directly to diving newcomer Nick Sanchez during a seven-on-seven drill (the ball may or may not have hit the ground).
Russell appeared to be trying to hit Johnnie Lee Higgins, but somehow their wires got crossed and it ended up as a gift interception to Thoams Howard.
Andrew Walter threw a sideline pass that glanced off the hands of Johnnie Lee Higgins and into the hands of DeAngelo Hall.
There were other unsightly plays.
Walter threw a up a duck intended for John Madsen which fell well short and was broken up by Rashad Baker. Higgins had a ball sail through his hands moments after the pass that bounced off his hands for a pick. Ronald Curry dropped two more passes _ one easy, the other more difficult, although certainly within the realm for someone worthy of his own highlight reel of difficult receptions.
Russell threw a swing pass to running back Darren McFadden which was telegraphed to the point where Howard had a better chance to catch it than McFadden did. The ball fell incomplete.
There were some good passes as well. Walter found Madsen for a touchdown drill behind Howard, and again for a touchdown at the other end of the field during a goal line session at the end of practice.
– During the longest seven-on-seven session of practice, seven of the first eight passes, six of them by Russell, two by Walter, were to underneath receivers. Russell threw to Justin Griffith, McFadden and Chris Wagner before finding Chaz Schilens a whole seven yards down field. Then he dumped one off to Michael Bush on the right flat and Walter followed with passes to Madsen and McFadden.
At that point, someone from the defensive side shouted out, “It’s check down Tuesday!”
It got a little better from there. Five of the next seven passes were intended for receivers, although one was the Sanchez interception.
“A number of those were check downs but that’s what was there,” Kiffin said. “In that drill our linebackers play really deep in general in zone coverage so you’re going to deal with a lot of check downs versus our defense. And when you’re in seven-on-seven you’re going to deal with check downs.”
– During one late drill, tackle Mario Henderson essentially blew up a play before a defender by going the wrong way.
“Mario, it’s a sprint left!,” Knapp said.
– Kiffin conceded the Raiders’ defensive backfield can make things tough on the passing game, but declined to use it as a hall pass for each poor pass. It’s equally try that the Raiders have had trouble throwing even against second-teamers.
“I think we get tested with our first unit because our defense is so talented, especially the first secondary and Stanford (Routt) being the third corner,” Kiffin said. “That’s part of it but that’s no excuse. We have to improve our timing, consistency. It’s going to continue to hurt us until we have all of our receivers practicing every day with our quarterback and we’re in good enough shape that they can do that.”
– Safety Tyvon Branch underwent surgery on a broken thumb. Kiffin expects the rookie to put on a cast and face Tennessee. Those who did not practice included cornerback John Bowie, tight end Darrell Strong, wide receiver Arman Shields and kicker Sebastian Janikowski.
– No egregious errors from McFadden after his first tough day at the office during the Monday sessions, where he had fumbles and dropped passes in both practices.
“He made some normal mistakes that rookies make over the last two practices,”’ Kiffin said. “So it will be good to see him rebound. He’s getting tired, he’s getting overloaded with a lot of plays and that’s how it should be now.”
McFadden said he hasn’t hit a rookie wall.
“The last two days haven’t been as good as the rest of camp has been,” McFadden said. “There’s always those days where you have those ups, and there’s days where you have those downs.”
– Kiffin said running back Justin Fargas is probably the most “game ready” player on the offense and would see limited action against Tennessee, with McFadden, Michael Bush and Louis Rankin getting most of the work.
– Actor Antonio Fargas said he treated himself to a birthday present by coming to watch his son practice.
– The Raiders will practice Wednesday morning at 9 a.m. and again in the evening before calling it a camp. When they return from Tennessee, they will resume work in Alameda.
The evening practice, which will simulate the Titans’ offense and defense, will be held earlier because the portable lights have already been removed from the field. Rental trucks have arrived so the field house and weight room can begin to be broken down.
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August 12th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 12th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Kiffin lied about Hall’s injury.
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Muhahhhahahahhaha, naaaaaaaaawwww did he lie to you, naaaaawww you little thing =)
Sorry, couldn’t help myself, first workday after 4 days off :/
August 12th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
2nd!
August 12th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
again
August 12th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!
Thanx for the fix Jerry1
August 12th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
repost
408RAIDER Says:
August 12th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
the sky is falling the sky is falling!! Time to panic
August 12th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
i wasn’t the only one who suggested time off! Passing game did much better today. No shet our CBs are hurt!
August 12th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
The passing game will parrallel Walker. This dude playa when he wants to. I expect him to show up for big games and dissapear for the rest. he will be a polarizing figure.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
3rd
August 12th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I suppose if they come with a good passing effort against the Titans then we can say our secondary is that damn good.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
After rushing for over 300 yards last week the Titans will be a big test for our run D.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Here is how the Raiders prepare for the Titans:
Give Terdell Sands a seven yard running start at Gallery and have Grove snap the ball when big #90 is a step away.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
LOL, good one =)
August 12th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Well, looks like we still got a lil work to do. I still say we should make a run at DT Marcus Tubbs. He’s right there for the taking and I know some team’s gonna snatch him up soon. Its sad to still hear nothing but bad reviews about the Unsuper Mario Brother. It just doesnt seem he’s capable of playing in the NFL. I sure hope Asomugha’s injury isnt serious. We have a real test coming up Friday against the Titans. I hope they’re ready. YA KNOW?!
August 12th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
LMN
your boy Branch sounds like a gamer!!
Safety Tyvon Branch underwent surgery on a broken thumb. Kiffin expects the rookie to put on a cast and face Tennessee.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
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August 12th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Overall, not great news. Sounds just like TC is wrapping up.
Good news on Walker getting a burst back. Arman Sheilds is fast on his way to IR/PUP if he makes it. Dude hasn’t been on the field but 25% of the time maybe.
Boy I hope Nnamdi is good to go. We’re getting pretty banged up now. Many teams are banged up. They have to look into this 80-man roster stuff. This sht is getting absurd.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Is it just me ? Cant get a feel for coachs comments,team in general!Dont recall this much stated confusion /complaining from HC
August 12th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Regarding the passing game; is it the QBs, receivers or just good D? You have to figure the defenders are keen to the Kids practice/offense by now. They have a name for it “check down Tuesday” for crying out loud. What is the issue Jerry? Give us more than, it was bad, or, it wasn’t as bad except for the 4 ints. Your bias is seeping.
thx
August 12th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Kiffins wishin he had Quinn…
August 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
DeAngelo Hall, had some VERY revealing comments over at J. Jones’ sacbee blog site..
August 12th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Hey Lane,
I didn’t see any passing scheme but check downs last year either.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
909,
Read that. Hall seems to be saying what Kiffin has stated. They need more players to get through practice. Guys are getting banged up at this point…
August 12th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Regarding HAll, also see JO david whites comments
August 12th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
408..
yeah, funny I remember here that didn’t like him, now they forgot what they said =)
August 12th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
HALL HASN’T CHANGED
Posted by Mike Florio on August 12, 2008, 9:06 p.m. EDT
Maybe the Oakland Raiders should change their motto from “Committment to Excellence” to “Caveat Emptor.”
Not long after it was revealed that big-money free-agent acquisition Javon Walker had to be talked out of retiring comes news that big-money trade acquisition DeAngelo Hall is already pissing and/or moaning.
Per David White of the San Francisco Chronicle, Hall claims that he has a broken bone in his hand, and that he shouldn’t be practicing or playing.
“I’ve got a little broken bone in there,” Hall said. “I don’t even feel like I should even be out here practicing on it or even going into preseason.
“But it’s something that no one else even seems to feel like its affecting everything so I’m out there practicing and playing the game.”
White asked Hall whether it was his decision to practice and play. Said Hall: “It ain’t my choice. I’m employee 23 so I do what I’m told.”
Hall was traded to Oakland by the Falcons after a series of incidents in 2007 that prompted the team to wash their hands of him.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Repost:
The Raiders are having the same problems that many other teams have when it comes to dealing with an 80 man roster, as opposed to 86 as it was before.
- Listen to Bill Polian just a couple of days ago:
“Q: What do you feel are some of the most pressing on-field trends and issues in the league today?.
A: “The first thing that we need to have some answers on is how the 80-man roster limit affects what we ultimately come out of camp with,” Polian said last week in an interview with the Globe prior to the Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio.
“It isn’t good from our perspective….It’s not a good test….I don’t just mean us, but all teams.”
Polian is curious to see how teams will be affected over the course of the season…
Why is this such a big issue?.
“I’ll use our linebackers as a prime example,” Polian said of a position that has been hit by injuries in training camp. “When you have an injury at one position, you can’t reduce the [repetitions] of everybody else at that position, because this is an interrelated game.
“So they have to take the same reps as the tackles, and ends and corners, but you’re doing it with less guys. So it stresses the position and you find that you go from one injury, to two, to three, you get an epidemic at one position. Now you’re in a position where you have difficulty.”
“The question is, what do you do?” said Polian. “Do you reduce reps? Do you reduce practice? Do you change the way you practice? All those kind of things are questions that have to be answered.”
From Boston Globe´s Mike Reiss.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Birdwell,
Ah the good ole days, when the Raiders were the most physical team on the block.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
With Aso not in there and Hall playing with a cast, and thinking he should have some time to heal…the passing game should not be throwing 4 interceptions. However, when you can’t throw deep for various reasons…the safeties and LBs know what’s coming.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Hey Lane
I’m just saying, Cable came in an instituted a running system, and it’s been pretty good no matter who’s manning it.
I haven’t seen any progress in the passing game. It seems that only recently you even thought it was important.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I did like Hall’s other comment in the sacbee blog.
” Time to man up, or bitch up”..
August 12th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
no wonder kiff is getting all antsy, he has two cb’s with broken fingers and bones. Hall said that players have to either man up or b1t(h up!
he will just have to man up and quit crying.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
More on the 80 man roster limit around the league….
“Commissioner Roger Goodell sent a memo to teams ordering them to stop complaining about the 80-man roster.
Most coaches and GMs believe the 80-man roster is a disaster because it makes it hard to keep the players from wearing down during training camp.
Having visited 14 training camps, it’s obvious the impact of the 80-man roster is immense. Practices are being shortened and coaches are worried about players tiring and experiencing hamstring and groin pulls.
Also, teams are being forced to reach injury settlements with players instead of keeping them around because they need healthy bodies to fill out practices.
It’s a mess, but Goodell doesn’t want to hear about it from team executives.”
espn.com John Clayton
August 12th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Thanks Marley!! That seems to be the exact problem we are now in at CB. First Bowie went down, then Wadell, and now our starters Nnamdi and Hall are getting hurt. I bet its b/c they’re reps increased b/c they had to pick up the reps as others went down. THANK YOU NFL! ANOTHER BRILLIANT (sarcastic) IDEA!!
August 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
kk great point. Lane has to make some strides in the passing game pretty quickly. Jr should have got more work. He is not a rookie, take the training wheels off. I heard pat kirwan on sirius say that Devery Henderson is on the trading block in NO. it may be time to make a move. Chris Henry should be considered. Arman is on his way to Ir, and currry has practiced only 40% of the time. Javon will show up when he wants. Carter is already wearing down. maybe watkins just needs more reps with the 1st unit, but all of these part time players are slowing progress.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
And Hall could be getting frustrated by it. He shouldn’t really be out there though - him nor Nnamdi. But what do you do? Release more players to bring in temp CBs at the risk of those players being picked up by another team?
August 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
And be careful fans …the written word can sound a lot harsher than its actual intent (as if it were heard).
August 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
What’s up with all this negative shyt coming out now as the season gets closer??
August 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Id BET on AL Over Goodell!Could this stem(80 man roster)from the up and coming labor dispute?
August 12th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Hall has to be apart of the solution. He has no choice. If he ever wants to shake the Atl, petrino Vt stigma, it is time to man up and be a leader.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
This sht is pissin’ me off! It is a disaster. My boy is a big time Skins fan. He says they are getting kilt’ with injuries as well as the Eagles, Ravens so on and so forth. Its a disaster.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Marley, you are on point. Hall, Aso, Walker… all could be problems though. Namdi took a big chance coming in camp on time, he will not jeopardize future earnings for the sake of being tough, Hall is obviously conflicted and frustrated, Walker is still not mentally stable. He will degenerate in a negative enviroment.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
C’mon KK — You know the reason we don’t have a down-the-field passing game right now…just blame Al.
Either Kiffin’s obviously going against Al’s wishes by helping JaMarcus learn how to be a real, fully-rounded professional QB - or - Al’s lost his mind by “allowing” his coach to coach (oh, the horror!).
I say we should just go into the season with JaMarcus using all his college experience to take us to the Promised Land. Oh wait…that would be a disaster? It’s OK, it’ll be Al’s fault anyway.
KK, MR, all you no-can-do guys…is there anything the owner, head coach, or players do that is OK? Or is it all negative, all the time, no matter what people do?
Actually, I already know the answer — it soesn’t matter what individuals on the team do, as long as you guys can proclaim victory and “dominance” over fans on this message board. Personal ego over the better interests/hopes of the team? That’s territory that should be reserved for the prima donna players out there, not fans with inflated opinions of their own righteousness.
Ahh, that feels better.
August 12th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I fully agree with the first 4 parts
August 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
AGAIN,the football nation needs AL to challenge the 80 man limit,who else has the ah stones to DO IT,cmon!Lets get back to 86
August 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Wave Walker.
Start Wadkins.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Mcfadden needs to be protected also. Play Echiamandu and Rankin so we dont have any set back injuries.
Our rund D will be tested against Titans. Its too early still. We just need to stay healthy avoid major set backs.
Next week will be a better indicator where this team is at.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Long-term Raiders watchers (i.e., 25-years or so) should’ve noticed that JaMarcus’s arm is still an issue, and that he is being protected. He didn’t run out of the lockerroom early last post-game because he’s afraid of reporters — it was because he didn’t want to answer questions about that arm. When the time comes to let that thing go with more frequency, Kiff’ll know, and so will we. If all’s well, preseason game #3 will be a much different story than the one scripted right now. If not, then it’s time to start the whine.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
No passblocking capability. Josh McCown, Andrew Walter and Daunte Culpepper at QB. Jerry Porter, Ron Curry and no one else anyone’s heard of to catch the ball. If I were Kiffin I wouldn’t have thrown the ball last year either.
Cable’s contribution to the run game was absolutely critical and the only reason we were in half the games we were a year ago. We just didn’t have the personnel to have a passing game of any kind, and we’re not going to trot out a slick version of it right away this year, either. Rookie QB, two new recievers, a new left tackle, a new center… think about that relative to the good passing games out there.
Give it some time; it ain’t gonna happen in one training camp. The main thing is we’ve actually got some decent talent this time around, and we have a strong run game to limit possession time for the opponent and keep us in games.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
LMN — your vacation?
When the wind and/or rain is howling, San Antone is colder than a witch’s broomstick in Jan and Feb (icy rain!). The River Walk is best enjoyed during more moderate temperatures. Summer in SAT? It’s not 80-degrees and humid — it’s 95-105 with suffocating humidity.
Cali has lots of places that would be much warmer, and a few that will be much colder (mountains, etc). Except for the lack of (ocean) beaches, Arizona would be a great alternative — plenty of party places and outdoor activities, and a guy used to your normal climes will be walking around in short-sleeves most winter days.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I hope Nnamdi’s all right. Routt’s good but…
Can’t wait to see more Rankin, maybe he can earn a slot by returning kicks till Branch heals
August 12th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Bush is gonna tear it up I hope…
August 12th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
kiff needs to man up a bit too. He is whining about the healthy bodies and that is just life in the nfl. The teams want to be profitable, bringing more bodies increases costs. if a player gets hurt and cut they get a settlement, if they stick around long enough, they get a fat pension. Its a mans world, and it seems like we are alittle too soft right now. to that extent, i like that kiff is turning up the heat and talking about extending two a days. we will se how this millionares club responds.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
But, LMN — If you’re really going to vacation before the end of December…you’ve got to go to San Francisco and the Bay Area, and you’ve got to go to a Raiders game. There’s the only right decision for a fan from across the pond.
And there are lots of fan clubs to help you party right. Bring that hottie of yours, and she’ll think you’re even cooler than she thinks you are now.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Tennessee is very tough on both lines. This is an important game psychologically for the Raiders men in the trenches. It bodes well for the team as a whole is they can somehow not look so inferior in the first half this week
August 12th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Garthraider…it is a labor issue
“We hear it’s a bargaining chip in the next round of CBA negotiations” said one league executive.
“The 80-man camp roster is going to be a two or three-year problem that will have to be dealt with by everyone, because the owners can’t just give the union jobs and not get anything in return for it.
Getting camp rosters back where they were before will be part of any new CBA deal that eventually gets done.”
The owners rejected the NFL management council (enforces the cap and its functionality) proposal to make 86 players the operative limit at the start of the preseason.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
if kiff needs bodies, Irons, Madsen, echamandu, and elling are all on my list of expendable players. i like madsen, but he is a project that at this time may be a luxury the raiders can’t afford. unless they plan on going with a lot of two te sets. Reece may also be expendable if not madsen
August 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
The Titans have a horrible secondary Russell needs to step up on Friday.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Griffin is not horrible at all
August 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Dick V — Mostly agree with you, but it’s not just Kiff. It’s almost every coach in the league — there are no USC-like 110 men on a roster in the bigs. They all need to man-up and understand they’re all in the same boat.
Goodell might be telling the teams to cool it with their complaints of the roster size, but this ain’t no dictatorship. The problem will be corrected when they get back around to making those off-season changes. Way too much money at stake with these players.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Dick v,understand ,somewhat!Just dont think the rosters should have been reduced ,some injurys can be played thru,and as u know,many cant
August 12th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Marley — You’re right. It is union vs ownership, and the owners usually turn down any union proposal that looks like it’ll cost them more money. Then, down the road they say, “Ahh! It’ll actually save us some money and improve the game at the same time! It’s a good thing we owners thought of it!”
August 12th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
HD37..
it was something like that I was thinking about =)
I realized the texans games was at home, my GF’s sister lives in the houston area I think..
But I think, 21st december is a tough ticket to buy, plus plane tickets is more expensive at that time a year… we might just take a trip to the Mediterranean..
August 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Dick V..
post 56, I totally agree
August 12th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I kinda hope the Raiders lose to the Titans so they can get a reality check. They need to learn how to lick their wounds now before they get a rude awakening in the regular season. I don’t want this team to be a pre-season wonder. I want them to be humbled so they can enter the regular season with a clear head and an understanding that they will need to work hard for them to be successful.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Dec. 21 tix can be had no problem. Besides, you need to come to the US so you can get a better understanding of the place.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
bob marley,lets see what the owners say on SEPT 8TH,when some key players may NOT be available cuz rosters were limited to 80 vs 86 ps AGREE W/youre earlierPOST
August 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Yeah, everyone’s in the same boat roster-wise, but it doesn’t mean it’s a good boat.
I think that the majority of the public complaints are well-considered, the complaintants knowing full well that the media will report on them.
A little free PR never hurt, right?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I´m out, night all….
August 12th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
This team doesn’t need humbling, it needs a tough education. Win or lose in the preseason, they better get it quick. Methinks Kiff and Co. know exactly what needs fixed already.
August 12th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
THE RAIDERS ACCORDING TO THE TWERP
Signing Archuleta is a sign of desperation.
TWERPING FACTS
Archuleta is on his 4th team in 4 years.
What conclusion of that fact can be reached?
Archuleta is not a dominate player. He’s not even a serviceable player. He’s a lousy safety.
TWERPING TRUTH
And The Al wants Archuleta to change positions at the highest level of football at the age of 30?
Ridiculous.
THE TWERP’S FINAL THOUGHTS
Any Raider fan who thinks that this personnel move will make the Raiders competivie with the dominate team in the AFC West, THE CHARGERS, is irrational & illogical.
The Raiders are 0-9 vs. the Chargers in the last nine games. That pattern will not change based on:
*A rookie QB behind an O-line that has allowed 113 sacks in the past two seasons.
*The Raiders run defense ranked 31st in the NFL and The Al did nothing to improve his run defense in the offseason.
It’s the Chargers’ division.
Get accustomed to losing to S.D. again and again and again…
August 12th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Yea, The Titans is the test that we need, i think we need to sign Chris Henry and stop bullshyttin..
August 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Neither the O-line or the Defense are the same as the last 2-years. To assume everything will be the same is actually not rational or logical. Next negative comment (wish)?
August 12th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Its crystal clear to me that Russell is a huge problem,…I saw it friday night…my spies, (not Jerry) in Napa tell me he looks awful,..getting worse by the day, not better,…Favre for a couple years here would have been the smart move….as it stands now, the Raiders should start Walter for a while. Sorry, keepin it real.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Russell will get the picture. Experience is all the kid needs. Five attempts in his first preseason game certainly won’t do it. If he’s not ready, the world will know it in the first regular game. Patience. For a few more weeks, anyway.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I surely don’t know what to think or what to believe. You tend to believe that a team is going to get better as the training camp progresses, more repetitions, more understanding of individual and team responsibilities,
but if you believe everything coming out of Kiffin’s mouth, we have a long way to go. Then that problem is compounded by Kiffin’s remarks about last Friday’s game against the niners. Kiffin says: “Whatever that first game was?” Wow, he’s either slamming the niners hard (that they really suck) and that as a result of them being so bad, we (Raiders) aren’t as good as we appeared to be with the dominant victory over the niners. (Ya, I know it was only the first pre-season game.)
The “most positive” way to look at everything going on, other than the injuries which are always bad and can turn a teams from good to bad real fast, is the possibility that it hasn’t been that bad in the overall, but that Kiffin is playing the “MIND GAME THROUGH THE MEDIA TO MOTIVATE THESE PLAYERS TO THE NEXT LEVEL.” He’s done this before to many players, using the media (Walker, JLH, Henderson, Grove, among others.) So, if we want to remain on the positive side, we need to look at our current situation by looking at all the facts logically. That is: JR was and still is projected to be a monster, both in leadership and abilities…we have 3 excellent running back…Cable’s second year with the offensive line…a big upgrade in wide receivers…additional big time help on the defensive side…and Kiffin’s constant pushing for competition that does and will bring everyone’s game to a better level. Maybe, Kiffin, is trying to make the Titan’s believe that Friday will be a cake walk and thus they may let down a little or be over confident? (just a maybe, don’t go crazy on me guys).
So, to wrap it up, I don’t believe we’re going down the tubes as badly as it’s reflected in Jerry’s notes. Let’s just keep the car on the road and see how we do against the Titans. I believe that we’ll do a lot better than it’s currently being projected. So, hold all your “freaking-negative comments” until Saturday, and then you can blast the hell out of me. If, I don’t beat you to it.
GO Raiders: Raiders 20, Titans 16
August 12th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
everyone just needs to STFU
August 12th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
RRF — It’s not like we ALL don’t know where the team can improve. Some things are plenty obvious, even to people who don’t know much about football (as these posts so often prove). Every coach I ever knew or had does what Kiffin is doing right now. Coach-speak is an artform, and Kiff is a young expert — no matter how direct he comes with it.
JaMarcus is a problem right now — his arm hurts. Can’t practice at full-speed, or with full range of motion? It affects practice just as much as not having enough healthy opposing bodies does. Can’t go full-speed if it’s physically impossible to do so.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
BUTTTWERP,Thats why we play the games,to bad u have 0 friends,otherwise,we may have a wager!AND if u can find a friend ,we can figure out confirmation
August 12th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
HayesDaze#37:
There again, maybe I’m living in a dream world, and I’m totally wrong. This Friday’s game against the Titans will reveal where we’re really at.
I disagree with you about Russell. However, I don’t believe he’s that injured, or that he’s not working out at full speed. If he was that bad, then all the these sport writers, starting with Jerry, Jason, etc., would have commented to that same point. He’s a big monster, he’s strong and he’s playing to speed. A little pain is part of the game…he has and will overcome it.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I don’t think you’re wrong, dude. I just think we’re not going to see the real JaMarcus until about the Bye Week. If he can go into that with a little confidence, he’ll come out of it with a lot.
JaMarcus is the poster-child of a guy who needs confidence to move ahead — and I think Kiff is handling him (and Walter) just about right. Walter is making his resume look real good right now, and JaMarcus’s fire is ablaze. If JaMarcus is who we think he is, he’ll show it soon enough.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Every player in the league is tired right now. Why do you all think every single player HATES training camp. Shoot last year Strahan feigned retirement just so he could MISS training camp. This year, Javon thought about it. Look for the third game to see how we stack up. There are still too many new players out there to get a good evaluation on one or two games. One thing I do want to ask: Anyone here afraid of the San Diego Dischargers??? I’m sure not.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
You guys Jamarcus Russell is an absolute phenom. There are a lot of things in the world I worry about. Jamarcus Russell is certainly not one of them.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Our defense knows our playbook about as well as the offense knows it. We’ll see what the Titans think of it. We’ll also probably see JaMarcus throw the ball more like 10-12 times this game. The Titans will want to smack him around…I want to see how he handles that pressure, and compare it to the end of last year. If his decision-making isn’t improved, then I agree we have a bigger problem than I think we do right now.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I’m a Raider fan through and through but I got’ta go on record tonight and give big props to my 14 year old son who absolutly ran his fellow players over tonight in their first day of hitting drills!!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Back later
August 12th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
ITD — Way to go for little Bo.
Now, I’ll be back later
August 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
i totally agree with #64 and #75… we got a problem if we win all our preseasons… and enough already!!! dont believe the hype!!! let the players play!! .. dont b scared…. weve come too far along .. not to mention the millions of dollars we threw out to get to where we r now!!! lets play RAIDER football !!!!! just like black jack!!! dont b scared to DOUBLE DOWN!!!!… lets take our chances and DOUBLE UP!!!!!!…peas!!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
HayesDaze:
I agree that the real JR will start to reveal himself after the bye week as well. He only had one start last year and he’s basically still a rookie (first actual training camp). On the other hand, he has skills and he can make throws other QB’s can only dream about. Al Davis has never used a #1 pick to go after a QB. JR was reviewed and researched and turned over and upside down a million times before they picked him. Davis also knew the money that would be needed to sign him. Kiffin put his butt on the line as well.
We have yet to see the true JR at his best and it will take some games under fire to reveal what a special QB he is. I believe he will take us to the promise land, and Al Davis believe it or he wouldn’t have spend so much money trying to put a team around him. It’s not all there, but we’ll see the benefits this year, and SOONER THAN LATER. Hopefully, we’ll get a little taste of it this Friday against the Titans. I’ll settle for a bomb to Walker for six, DM for six off a pass & maybe a tough 3 yards into the end zone by Bush as well.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Daze is exactly right. when you see the same guy run at you 200 times a day for 14 straight days, you kinda know what he’s gonna do. Hence why teams in the league like to practice against other teams, to change it up. And our defense just manhandled the hapless Whiners in both practice and the game. The offense is clearly lagging. Hence why we picked up Dmac, Javon, Drew Carter, Kwame Harris, James Lofton and Paul Hackett.
August 12th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Well alright it has been an overwhelming show of support for the whole 80 - 86 man roster subject.
This is great news because it proves that the media is putting a negative spin on the whole kiffin wanting more players and its Al’s Fault when in reality every team needs more players right now.
Now with regards to Halls injured finger. Are you SERIOUS dude we pay you like 7-8 million dollars a year and you are going to sit out of practice with a broken finger. What happened to the athletes of the old days where the only way you could get a guy out of a game is if his was decapitated. Didn’t Jack Youngblood play a half of football with a broken leg and two aspirin taped to his leg was all the treatment he got until after the game . In the old days you could take a guy out of game he just wouldn’t come out. but with today’s athletes they are pussies and cry about a broken finger. I remember a game where KC QB Steve DeBerg had a broken finger he went to the sideline and a trainer put it back in place and then he went right back into the game after that.
Hall and most of today’s athletes wouldn’t have made it back then.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
by the way.. i agree also on dmac being benched… its clear that the boy is and has natural talent… we do not need him banged up.. hes on an instinct level therefore we sit him out and give the handoffs to bush… he needs the reps more.. and fargas… we’l just send his culo up the middle and wreck @#$!…. yes .. the “D” will be tested… and im confident that all the chips r gonna fall in place the nite we play the donkeys… jruss needs more play time… like a whole 1st quarter… how do u expect him to react in a real game??? unleash the beast!!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Good to hear about Javon Walker starting to pick things up.
I still have confidence in Russell, I just don’t think that he will be as good as people think he will be THIS YEAR. And we have to ride it out with Russell, otherwise he can’t learn.
This year will be an bumpy ride, but an important one in this team’s development.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
OakGlenn
You and Daze are absolutely right. The defense knows if they’re going to run a post, a sideline route, a curl, a stop & go, a slant or a simple drop off in front of the linebackers who are dropping back. That’s why it hard to get real separation in training camp. We’ll see some separation this Friday and more completions. Even Walter is going to do good.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
HayzeDaze,
I guess I should quote scripture and pray, rather than noticing problems I see for the up coming season, on this blog, for which I will bleed dearly. Pardon me all to hell!
August 12th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
RRF, exactly. Notice how no one has mentioned zach Miller??? Has anyone seen Dmac split out yet??? Shoot last game was the Johnnie Lee Higgins coming out party. Who saw that coming??? Carter and Walker have been thru a few camps and look a bit worn. Watkins, Higgins, Dmac haven’t and look fresh. I’m not too worried.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I think what is happening is we’re seeing a defense come together that’s going to be pretty special. It’s not that the O is as bad as everyone is being led to believe, but this defense, if healthy is going to border on dominant. Kiffin needs to back off the starters and get some camp fodder in here to give these guy’s a blow.
We must stay relatively healthy to reach the potential. But I think the defense will be the best part of this team this year. And the running game will support it very well. Our passing game may take the entire season to really be a dominant factor.
I’m not saying our pasing game wont a factor at all but certainly not what it will be this time next year. Russell will keep defenses off the running game enough for Fargas, DMC and Bush to do their thing.
However these young WR’s and the young QB must develope B4 we’ll actually see an aerial circus.
KK be patient man this thing is in the embryonic stages but we’ll get there. We’re doing it the right way, very detailed and with eye to the future.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
KK brotha!! ease up a bit this is a very young team, it’s going to take time. However we have the ability to get deep plenty and I’m sure we will but it’s not going to look as good now as it will later.
Give it time to develope.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
…with the 1st pick in the 2007 draft….the oakland raiders select….CALVIN JOHNSON..WR ….yep AL you blew it again!!! JaBUSTus SUCKS.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Good story on Hall’s hand.
http://www.raidernationstation.com
Peace!
I think walker can go big if he can get consistent. and not get hurt…
August 12th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
On another note, when we play Tenn you’re going to see a rookie that will take your breath away, named Chris Johnson at scatback. You’ll see why a raved about this kid B4 the draft. He has tremendous speed and quickness. Great hands and scary as hell in the open field. I had him as a low first or high second. When Tenn took him in the 1st, the experts laughed. Well, after one preseason game they aint laughing anymore. He broke one for 66 yards and went by defenders as if they were standing still.
Another kid that begged the Raiders to look at was Eric Foster DE, the Colts coaching staff absolutely love the kid. I believe they got him as a rookie FA.
If anyone else has seen these 2 kids let me know what you think.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
BHP..
good to see ya back =)
August 12th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
anyone who has been in or around ANY camp(high school, college, pros) knows that this is the time teams usually hit the wall. camp is about to break, and the team is limping towards the finish. this is surprising?? two-a-days suck!!! even for professional athletes. i absolutely love what kiffin is doing, although, it’s pretty much what every coach does at this point(the threat of more doubles).
more practice for a team that has won 6 games in two years is not a bad thing.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
LMN, thanks! what are doing still in here this late? What do you think so far about the team?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Priest what was interesting to me was seeing Gabril just take CONTROL of that defense for the few plays he was out there. Man, he was telling everyone what the eff to do. Quite impressive.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Oak! man we needed tis guy. What an aquisition! I’m not used to seeing Raider safeties play the way ours did the last 3 or 4 years. Very soft but that’s OVER now we have a guy that undersatnds wh at the safety position is all about. This is huge if we can get the LBers to join in then we’ve really gt something.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
BHP..
i’m tired of the injuries, I don’t think its avoidable, just sad it happens, but luckily there hasn’t been any major injuries…
Team overall, I like that our D believes in them selves again, and that they realize you gotta work to get ‘06 stats..
Nice to see our rungame click, I think Harris was good, but we knew he would be that in the rungame, but he wasn’t manhandled in the passgame, that was nice to see..
But Kiffins right, the TENN is a test, 9′ers was a pre-warmer.. just to get the rookies know what to expect and get the team ready for the noise..
I’ve had 4 days off, so I started today, with a night shift.. Met at 0300, long way still to go..
August 12th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
i know it would’ve been better to have him 5 years ago, but what do you guys think about archuleta?? if anything(if AA starts), we have the FASTEST set of LBs in the league. the one thing that is true of AA is the man can hit and is a decent blitzer. if tommy kelly and co can keep bodies off our backers, the defense will be (finally) fun to watch.
August 12th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
LMN agree on all points. The Oline will be OK vs the passrush but dominant in the run game and we’ll see that Friday. We will run on anyone. Now can we get the passing game to compliment it?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
BHP
I think our D is going to be something special this year and if we can improve on our running game (6th last year) with the 3 good backs we have, we can win 8 plus games this year.
I know everyone is complaining about Russell not throwing the ball deep and the dink and dunk. Look at what Pitt did with Big Ben the first year and that is what we are going to do with Russell. We are going to run the ball 40-45 times a game and he will maybe get 25 throws a game.
I like this game plan and think it is a way to get above .500.
what do you think about the game plan BHP?
August 12th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I strongly agree with it. This is such a tough league for a young QB to get going and anyway that you can help him especially by running the ball is good.
Russell will be one of the best QB’s to grace this league IMO. But if you can help him have early success then you do it.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Until Jamarcus shows some consistency passing, opponents will load the box and dare the Raiders to pass. If they get the lead in games they may be able to grind it out on the ground and run down the clock. If they get down by a couple of TD’s or so they will be in deep trouble.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I also noticed that Huff is already a different player. Wilson’s affect on him is very evident.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
silvernblack666…
if our back are splitting 45 carries a game, we’re gonna be VERY good.
the only thing that concerns me is we don’t have any “maulers” on the oline. no pricks. no wiz or dare i say, barret robbins-type guys who can physically punish guys. mcquistan is a prick, but he’s too inconsistant to be a starter.
we worry about j-bone and the dink n’dunking. i’m worried about the cleanliness of j-russ’ uniform at 5pm on sundays.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
according to Jerry, Ricky Brown is a starter, but I think Robert Thomas did a really good job..
Spires and Edwards was good too, I know it was 2nd stringers and worse, but still, for their price they looked good too..
August 12th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
THE RAIDERS ACCORDING TO THE TWERP
The should be a 2nd place team.
K.C. is in a total rebuilding mode with 8 1st time starters.
Denver has drafted even poorer than The Al’s Silver & Black. Cutler has few weapons outside of Marshall. The Bronco defense is light and ineffective.
TWERPING REALITY
The Raiders are not even close to the personnel package that the Chargers’ G.M. has built through the draft.
This fact is illustrated by the dominance of the Chargers over the Raiders.
Reality: Raiders: In the past 5 seasons the Raiders have lost 77% of their games. The 3rd worst 5-year record in NFL history.
Fact, not fantasy.
TWERP’S FINAL THOUGHTS
No personal insults here, just the truth.
Raider Nation can accept it or live in a delusional needy wannabe fantasy.
Reality will smack the Raiders in the face on Sept. 28th. Until then, enjoy your preseason delusion, Raider Nation.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
If they load the box it’s suicide. One thing we can do is get deep and hit the big one. We’re not ready for shooting match in the 40’s but if you don’t play us honest you’ll leave yourself open for what Russell does best “hit it deep”.
The misconception is that we can’t throw it deep. But with JLH, Watkins and Carter can all flat out fly and all have great hands for the deep ball. Russell is an extremely accurate deep ball passer. once we show the ability to strike “stacking the box” will prove to be a dangerous decision.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
i love charger fans!!!
fair-weather fans who get all excited over a flash in the pan. need i remind anyone that team is under the direction of NORV TURNER. good ol’ norv will be an OC in the pac-ten a year or two from now and the san diego chargers will be back to what they do best: winning six games a year.
plus, half the bloggers on this site have a better arm(and more maturity) than rivers.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
RGLC, you’re right I don’t think we can stand back there and throw 30-40 times a game. If we have to do that we’re in trouble. We must be dominant on the ground to be successful. Kiffin is stressing the short game for consistency. He doesn’t want negative plays. But if our running game is what it should be then we can augment it by way of the short pass and go deep 5 - 10 times a game to keep the defense honest.
We must make the defense aware hat we have the deep ball in our hip pocket and aren’t the least bit hesitant to use it……..judiciously.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
My boss was just at my desk, he said we just had got a call, we better focus on.. see ya guys, sleep tight, I guess you’re all gone, when I’m back..
August 12th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
The TWERP………..
Very GOOD name for an IDIOT!!!
What are you doing here anyway???
In case you dont know!!
This is a Raider site!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
ISthe TWERP MR?
August 12th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
By his mere arm strength and our WR speed they have to respect the deep threat. Great point I was posting something along those lines in here last week. I am glad to see someone else say it besides myself. Its not like our starting QB is Jeff Garcia or Chad Pennington.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Hey BHP…..
Whats up Bro??
I’m watching the game between LSU and Arkansas from last yr..
It’s on CBS replay!!
McFadden did a number on the National Champs!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I really do believe we need another Wide Reciever!!
Arman Shields is going to be a player, but thats later down the road…
We need an experienced WR NOW!!!
I heard some one say on BSPN Radio that JaMarcus had better WR’s in LSU than he does with the Raiders!!!
Bowe,. E Doucet and Meechem…
August 12th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Whattup Glory, I know I saw that game earlier today.
DMC is an extraordinary talent. He and Bush along with Fargas will dominate.
I know most don’t think much of Fargas but I think he will have a tremendous year.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Fargas is our best RB at this point…
Kiffin saying that he’s the guy that is most ready on offense really says something positive about him!
Dont expect to see very much of Fargas on on Fri…
It will mainly be Bush, D-Mac and Rankin carrying the ROCK!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
SnB666…
you said something about big ben. that is the perfect blueprint for j-bone. this is so exciting. russell is in a perfect scenerio for success(as was big-ben). he doesn’t have go out an win games, he just has to manage them. hand the ball off 30-40 times and don’t throw picks. pretty simple.
now if the raiders’ defense can play like the steelers we’ll have something
August 12th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
yeah yeah yeah! I hear that crazy crap all the time. But they don’t know who these kids are. So what someone says on a particular show has no effect on my opinion. I see what we have. And they will too, very soon.
Because someones not well known or well thought of nationally is irrelavent. What matters is what they do on Sunday.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
I’m concerned about our WR’s corp..
I’m not sold on them at all.
Not that I want Porter back…But I wish we had another veteran WR on the team..
August 12th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
MR TWERP,is that you,JACKASS
August 12th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
How many long passes have Higgins, Walker and Carter caught for the Raiders? I think the correct answer is in the neighborhood between zero and none. Higgins has done almost nothinhg as a receiver so far and walker and Carter have done nothing for the Raiders. Maybe they will hook up for some long gains but I wouldn’t be too confident at this point in time.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
The Titans handed the Rams a real ass whuppin…last week!! Even by pre-season standards….They killed them.
The team…Especially the offense better come ready or risk being embarassed…
I know how good we are on D’……..It’s the offense that I will be looking at on Fri…
Wer’e 4.5 point DOGS VS Tenn.
I know it doesn’t mean much unless you’re in Vegas!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Glory, no one is sold on them at this point. I’d like to have 3 Randy Moss’s but we don’t have them. I think we have a very young group of extremely talented kids. But they’re unproven outside of Curry, Carter and Walker. That’s as good as most WR corps believe it or not. It’s good enough for what we’re going to do this year.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I would jump at the chance to pick up a WR……I expect some good ones to be released.
It does not help hearing that Ingram from Seattle and B. Edwards from the Browns being hurt and out for the remainder of the pre-season.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
hire Barry Switzer
Run the wishbone with rotating RBs and FBs
One WR on the field at a time
Its the only offense we have the people to run
August 12th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
What!!! Edwards is OUT for the season??
August 12th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
I know BHP…
We will have to make do with what we have……
But it seems to me to be a glaring hole…..
How in the HECK did we let that guy Morgan pass us by… You know who i’m talking about?? Right??
That guy that the 49′ers got in the 6th round….What a fricken STEAL!!
That guy looks like a player!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Als I would love another great WR and would jump at the chance as well, as soon as one is available.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
No BHP….
He’s just injured….
He decided to race a DB from Cleve. barefoot and got the cleats from the DB’s on his lower foot……
He got a pretty bad GASH though!!!
Heard it on Romes show this morning!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Hey BHP..
What ever happen with the WR out of Detroit??
I heard Detroit was shopping him!!!
Not CJ but the other guy!!
I forget his name!!
August 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
BHP…
i’m sure i’ve probably missed it in previous days, but what is your honest opinion on archuleta?? i was rather stoked when i learned he signed. i understand the size issue, but i never could understand why he was used primarily as a safety when was such a stud at LB at ASU. we’ve defiantely got some defenders who can get to the edge rather quickly. at the very least, he adds depth.
August 12th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
I remember giving him the business when they came her last year in the seaSON OPENER….
WE HAD THAT GAME….
He gets PUMPED up when he engages the crowd…
I yelled at him saying he SUCKED at which he put his hand over his ear motioning like he could’nt hear!!
All of a sudden, every one was yelling at him!!
He reminds me a little like ocho-cinco!!
I’d love to have him!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Because they don’t have much so he stands out, although he is very good. I was very impressed with him. But the kids we have are every bit as talented and I’m not just saying that. I’ve said it over and over they just haven’t had a chance to display it.
Glory if we could get all the best players alll the time we would, but it’s impossible. Other teams are going to have success as well. The kids we have are very good as well
August 13th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Archuleta’s biggest mistake was not staying with the RAMS…..It was the perfect team for him……..But I’m glad we got him…………….He was a very strong banger with the Rams….
Why would the redskins make him the highest paid safety at the time….
I hope he pans out!!!
I hope to see a lot of him this friday!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Opening Day Defensive Backfield…
FS - Archuleta
SS - Wilson
1 CB - Hall (With broken hand)
2 CB - Rout
3 CB - Huff
Sound scary? If the injuries keep coming, we could see something like this.
Dear LORD, please watch over the Raiders and keep them from injury.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:04 am
BHP…
Whats that guys name???
The best WR Detroit had before they got CJ!!
O’h yea Williams!!
Roy Williams!!
Would’nt you be interested in his services???
I would!!
Maybe give a 4th rounder for him!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:05 am
RGLC
His 1st 4 years in the league I was very impressed with his play making ability. However I haven’t seen him in 2 years, so I’ll reserve judgement until I see him. He’s a freakish athlete though.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:05 am
k-rock…
what about asomugha??
that’s a pretty big piece you’re forgeting.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:06 am
KROCK..
Hall is fine…. he’s just upset because he’s playing more than he should during this time….
We’ll be ok on D’…..It’s the O’ that im worried about!!
Namdi will be o.k as well!!
They should just play them less now!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:07 am
I seen me a rodent,his/her name is MR
August 13th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Glory, anyone would take Williams in a heartbeat.
However, I don’t think Detroit would do that at all.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:09 am
We’ll I go to hit the sack!!
Nice talking to you again BHP!!!
MaN, i FORGOT HOW FUN THIS WAS!!
G’NITE all!!
GO RAIDERS!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:09 am
BHP,
I guess I can dream!! huh??
LOL!!!
G’NITE!!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Adios! sports fans.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:21 am
We need to go and get Chris Henry. The recievers dont seem to be doing too well. I hate to see what will happen once we start getting blitzed.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:23 am
BHP,
Tell Big Al: Just win baby!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:59 am
raider glory, morgan had off the field issues. Arman is a good prospect, but he is coming off a knee injury that hasn’t healed yet. Arman is also a sharp kid with great work ethic. Al doesn’t pick for this year as much as he does for overall potential. He has alot of potential. Morgan is more likely to wash out than Arman.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Jammy is not going to light it up this year. Accept that this year is his rookie year and maybe he’ll get with it and do something next year. His role right now is to be an improvement over Culpepper and McClown and not turn the ball over! period.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:00 am
Hmmmmm? I hope this terrible practice is cathartic. So they do not lay an egg in Tenn. If they can run against the guys at Tenn the way the did against the gals of S.F. we can control the ball, the clock and hopefully win the game. Andrew looked better than JR. I still feel J.R. is wet behind the ears. He toss to many ducks and cream puff (int) passes.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 am
what if Jammy is a bust?
August 13th, 2008 at 3:27 am
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August 13th, 2008 at 4:31 am
Another one bites the dust:
Dolphins shopping McCown, Beck
Posted: Wednesday August 13, 2008 06:36AM ET
Miami reportedly will gauge trade interest in Josh McCown and John Beck but is on the hook for McCown’s $2.5 million signing bonus if he is traded or cut.
Miami Herald
August 13th, 2008 at 5:08 am
Doesn’t surprise me, McCown being dumped, or at best traded. He’s a dime a dozen QB and it was our running game last year that gave him a little more life than he deserved. I’m sure he can be had for a 6th or 7th round pick. Shows the Dolphins are going to suck, a far cry from the days of Marino at the helm.
Anyway, it’s 2 1/2 days until Friday, and that’s going to be the ball-buster. We’ll be going up against a solid teams, well coached and well organized. They ran the Rams and Chris Long out of town. They put up approximately 342 yards rushing. This is going to be a test that “REVEALING” in that if they can run over 180 yards against us…our defense will need big time help. If our offense can’t run against their STOUT defensive line, then we know we have problems, as well.
I believe we’re better than Kiffin is trying to project…he’s sand bagging and we’ll see a battle, but one where we come out ok, not dominated and where we’ll gain a lot of respect, even though it will only be the 2nd pre-season game. Look up, things will get better and focus on the positives.
Also, Javon will break away for 6 points on a long bomb, from either Russell or Walter.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:47 am
What a bunch of mutton heads!
It’s practice.
Bag on Walker, bag on Hall, bag on Gallery, Bag on the recievers…..and on and on.
As a Raider fan since the late ’60s I have to tell you that these check downs that people keep whining about were part and parcel of a “west coast offense” before there was such a thing. Lamonaca to Charlie Smith on a curl or a screen….over and over and then the d-backs crept up and then the bomb to Wells, TOUCHDOWN RAIDERS!
Then Stabler to Hubbard or CD and Mark Van Egan later and then the bomb to Branch or Chester or Casoer etall.
The running game that was #6 last year will be better.
As we eat up huge chunks of field and time with Bush,Fargas and McFadden the other team will not be scoring points.
Best defense, a great offense.
The titans will be a good test but again, it’s PRACTICE!
Agreed, Kif is sandbagging ala Big Al- tell them nothing!
I’M IN!
If you must whine go across the bay with the rest of the white wine quiche eating whiners.
Have a lucky day!
August 13th, 2008 at 7:27 am
PFT thinks Jordan might be on the trading block in New England. If no trade happens, Jordan could get cut.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:32 am
I knew Jordan would not make the team. he was way low on the depth chart. nice move what the patsies did. Feature him, prop him up make him look good then dump him. Nice….
August 13th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Cheater Bill said that Jordan was not fast. Said he was no track star, but that he had “Competitive Speed”, whatever that is.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:38 am
cheater bill lol.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:42 am
I have never seen this blog so dead, I can hear the digital crickets chirping……
August 13th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Stanford Routt…
http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2008/08/13/sports/raiders/doc48a25dc915dd9595350484.txt
August 13th, 2008 at 7:53 am
JRuss…
http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2008/08/13/sports/raiders/doc48a1cbd97efbf483836732.txt
August 13th, 2008 at 8:00 am
LosT thanks for the quick hits Bro…..
August 13th, 2008 at 8:01 am
I was reading reviews of Madden 09. I have 08 for the 360 so I am not sure I want to drop the bucks to pick up 09. I don’t play online and I don’t play other people. The reviews said Franchise Mode and Super Star Mode were unchanged. Sounds about right. If I don’t give more of my money to Microsoft for XBOX Live, then they don’t worry about me.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Jerry, has Marcel Reece been doing anything?
I was hoping he would make the squad.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Lamont was our starting RB last year.
This year he may well be out of football.
In his place we have two big time first round studs as backups (did you hear me say backups as in second stringers) to Fargas who tore it up last year.
Our starting QB’s for last year may very well be out of football as well. And in there place, may we present the first pick of the 07 draft.
Al toughened up a pass defense with Hall and Wilson, two pro bowlers, I said pro bowlers.
Al aqquired a stud WR and Kiff has two drafts under him with all 7 picks next year.
This team is vastly improved and the media wont talk that up.
Best year ever!!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Did I mention that we are a young, hungry team.
Maybe the youngest team in the NFL?
August 13th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Chris Johnson may start against Us! this would be a good test for our run defense…
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080811/SPORTS01/808110329&s=d&page=6#pluckcomments
August 13th, 2008 at 8:06 am
I am glad the media is talking us down……
I no longer get mad, I get happy because i know fans from other teams are buying it which will make our winning that much sweeter…..
August 13th, 2008 at 8:07 am
NATION i have to go to a meeting you guys take care…
August 13th, 2008 at 8:07 am
AA brings a attitude with him. Thats why he is here. You can bet your life that he is all in and fires up everyone around him. I look for AA to give Al everything he has and that means he will be around long enough to get another SB ring.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:12 am
D. Hall is a little whiny biotch who hurt his hand stroking his own ego. Fuk him.
I hope Nnamdi is okay, we all know how foot injuries tend to derail CBs.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Who is AA?
August 13th, 2008 at 8:27 am
DirtyBW,
Adam Archuleta…I think.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:28 am
You can f him all you want. I want him to produce like a pro bowl corner for the Oakland Raiders.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Yes AA = Adam.
Kiff is playing chess when he isnt sandbagging the media.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Agreed Dakota this guy thinks he fn don juan or something he need to have his ass out there as much as he can to build chemistry with other guys……….as much as he was getting roasted by practice squad WRs he needs to shut his mout and back up the hype he brings
August 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am
morning Nation.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:34 am
You can want all you want Andrews Mom, but Hall is more likely to implode and create a big stink than make the pro-bowl this year.
Hall = Moss part II
August 13th, 2008 at 8:35 am
D.Hall needs to shut up and play football especially with the contract that he has gotten.He’s making all that money and he’s crying like a spoiled kid.The Raiders of old would never stand for that.Ted Hendricks would have already said something to D.Hall about the crying he’s doing.This is another reason why the players of today money isn’t guaranteed.If D.Hall is going to cry then give him something to cry for like taking some of his money if he chooses not to play because of a small injury.Then he can CRY all he want.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Hall will get burned just as much as Fabian, but the difference between Fabian and Hall is that Hall will tackle and can make some great plays once in a while to make up for some of his coverage problems…so I guess it is better to have him than Fabian, right?
August 13th, 2008 at 8:39 am
DBathW, Dakota,
so long as DeAngelo doesn’t go into a pout he should do fine come regular season. DBs and WRs are some pretty touchy egos.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:47 am
MeAngelo is starting to come out,this needs to be nipped before it becomes a distraction.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Zach Miller…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/12/state/n202303D13.DTL
August 13th, 2008 at 8:50 am
DHall = Taller Version of Philip Buchanan
August 13th, 2008 at 8:52 am
M,
The problem with a guy like Hall is that he always finds something to complain about. You know, my hand hurts, or my contract isn’t right, or I should be able to park in the owner’s spot or the handicapped spot, or trade me, or my pit bulls didn’t do it and neither did Mike’s, or why can’t I flip out on the field and scream at my coach?
Hall is a divisive player on a team that is trying to rebuild and will experience it’s share of struggles, and we need guys that can persevere through those times, not guys that implode at the first sign of adversity like Hall.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:54 am
But Al knows best, just like when he traded for Moss.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Dakota,
well, here’s hoping that Gibril and our new very own AA, both of whom have known successful teams in the NFL, will display some “tone it down” advice to D.Hall.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Either that or smack him upside the head with a 2X4.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:04 am
I will gladly provide this to GW or AA if it will keep Hall in line:
http://www.abswood.com/images/product_pages/jatoba%202×4%20profile.gif
August 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Yo K-rock man get the game man 09 is way better than 08 I got it yerterday for ps3 and I am happy with the changes they made to the have I’ve been playing madden since late 80’s early 90’s and this one is a bad compare to 08 get it
August 13th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Dakota,scrubs like Moss only cause problems when they’re on losing teams.That scrub Moss isn’t exhibiting any of the B.S.in New England that he exhibited with our Raiders.Al is just trying to bring a winning team back to Oakland.He just traded for that scum-bag Moss at the wrong time.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:07 am
yeah your ego is really a problem if you say, “hey i’m just employee No 23″ I don’t see a ego problem and if you guys do, you must have the same problem as Mike Florio..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:11 am
LMN,
Hey!
I did not understand a word you have just written. But then again perhaps my brain has shrunken from recent disuse.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:17 am
K-Rock,
you’re the resident theosophist/philosophist here. Humility used to be an honoured value replaced in this culture with chest thumping and self-touting. Don’t you have a quotation from some source about the merits of being humble?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:18 am
M…
people here b1tch about Hall having an ego problem… but when he says “i’m just employee No 23″ I really cant see a problem..
Those fans who think so, really need to get a clue. Its jsut spin on Mike Florios behalf..
people needs to relax a bit, they seems to seek a point they can moan about…
August 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Hall just needs to shut up and play, like Branch. HE sounds like he is closer to bitching up than manning up.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
LMN,
thanks for the clarification.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
what is ti you guys have a problem with? what is it that you think Hall has said?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Yo smellas! What’s up?
Would you guys rather have a stout run D or a great passing game come Saturday?
It sounds like the passing game needs a boost and this secondary is ripe for the torching. Just need a little(or alot) protection for Russell. Give the kid some time and he’ll throw all over this team.
It’s kinda lame to expect a team to get into rhythm in 1 quarter so it’s harder to judge than the run D how good they actually are.
On the flip, if the run D shows up and actually shuts Tenn down that would be huge for those guys. I thought Shaw and Edwards played really well against S.F. Can you guys believe Sands got that fumble recovery?? A big game from these guys against a good running team could really pull that unit together and have them believing they can play that way every game.
If we run the ball well against Tenn then we know we’ve got something with this crew and should expect great things this season.
As much as I’ve been dreading watching the run D I really want to see the passing game come alive this week. All of these stinking injuries are really slowing down the timing progress so to be able to show something this week would really get Jamarcus and the WR’s excited…..but don’t give up 342 yards rushing either!!!
Go RAAAAAAAAIIIDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
I think you guys are pathetic, Dakota and Bank-bank.. yeah Hall really needs to behave, he makes catches even with the cast on, his team mates cheer on him, when they are at the sideline… Hall has done all you could ask of him…
But I can see, he needs to get some bashing from his teams fans, yup that is logically the only way to react.. jebus
August 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
but what can i expect from guys that thought it was sadd4m who flew the planes.. no wonder you’re on the way down..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:34 am
LMN,
Did you read Hall’s comments on Jason Jones’ blog?
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Hall said the injury, which the team said was a sprain, is worse than reported and that the injury “affects everything.”
“I’ve got a little broken bone in there,” Hall said. ” … I don’t even feel like I should be out here practicing or going into the preseason, but it’s something nobody else feels like is affecting anything, so I’m out there practicing and playing games.”
Hall said he is practicing because he is being told to. He didn’t practice Monday morning while getting an MRI on his hand but returned for the night practice.
“No, it ain’t my choice,” Hall said. “But I’m employee (No.) 23. I do what I’m told.”
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You don’t call that complaining?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:34 am
LMN
I agree with you…
“Hall took most the first-team snaps Tuesday afternoon, making another interception on a bobbled drop from Johnnie Lee Higgins on the sideline.
If nothing else, his teammates are impressed with how he plays through pain.
“He’s still practicing,” outside linebacker Thomas Howard said.
“He’s a warrior. That makes me feel like if I have any knick-knack injuries … everybody has something bothering them.”
“If he’s pushing through it, still catching interceptions with the half-hand looking like the Penguin, then I can play through it.”
sfgate.com David White
August 13th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Bob,
The problem Hall has is that he has to talk about it with everyone. If he just manned up, went to practice injured and let his teammates and coaches explain how great he was for practicing injured, then he would be the man. Instead he whines and complains about the fact that he has to practice to the media. See the difference?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:39 am
“No, it ain’t my choice,” Hall said. “But I’m employee (No.) 23. I do what I’m told”
No that is not complaining, thats realizing he is a part of a team, and he has to do what he is told…. and he does that..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Dakota..
yeah I rad those things, it all comes down to where the write puts the comma, but if you really can’t see through this smoke screen I fear for our NATION, its obvious that those who spin it negative has done so to get more hits..
and I think its sad, that a guy like you can’t even see you are being fooled.. but I guess that has something to do with where you vote..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:42 am
They we have a problem with this guys “me” attitude you would think that after having a bad reputation in atl and around the league that he would get off on a good foot with a fresh start with his new team, but no he’s calling out the crew because he thinks he’s above every other guy that played through an injury, sorry but he still has to EARN his stripes around here. Shut up and play ball you get paid to play a freaking sport, broken bone in his hand and he’s bitching about practice, I’ll surely trade places bro you can come and work 10-12 hours being a driver ha how pathetic man. He needs to get over himself and realize that everyone needs eachother on the “team” because its a “team” game
August 13th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Saintkaufman,
good morning. won’t it be interesting to see how the run D fares against Blackholepriest’s boy Chris Johnson?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Bob Marley..
it really calms me down that you isn’t fooled by this..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:43 am
LMN,
No, it ain’t my choice,” = they are wrong in making me do this…what a great team player!
Yes, he is doing what he is told, but biotching about it the entire time. What a great man!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am
DBW..
sorry get a clue, read the quotes, remember its only the quotes that matter, the rest is spin or the writers own thoughts.. Hall has done everything right..
I was against the HAll trade, but now when we got him, you gotta be fair to him and asses what he says not what people think hall thinks..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Marley Esq.,
hopefully the comments from Howard are sincere reflections of the teammates’ attitudes toward employee number 23.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Hey Dakota, it sounds like whining to me as well.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
LMN,
If you can’t read between the lines on Halls comments, I guess you are just blind.
As for your other comments about the U.S. and how I vote; why don’t you fly over here for Sturgis next year and we can discuss those matters face to face?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am
D-Mac should not be playing much in this game. Give him maybe 4 carries and one catch and that is it. Bush should get maybe 6 carries and one catch also. Rankin and “Joe” need to get the bulk of the carries in this game. Avoiding injuries is the key in this game and working on the passing game in the first quarter with Russell in there.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am
and sfw? if he isn’t happy about it, it is his body, it is his business, I mean if his body doesn’t work he will have no salary.. every athlete no matter what sport are concerned about the health of their body..
and he goes out to the field, catches interceptions and everything, yeah I can see that is a big problem..
get a grip, man
August 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Everyone is mad about the number of players being allowed at training camp.
Watch for lots of players to start complaining.
Probaly the fault of tight fisted owners and unions giving up one thing for something else and now we have unintended consequences? Kinda like the government.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Dakota
So he deson´t think he should be out there, what´s the big deal?…he probably shouldn´t be, but he is and his teammates notice that he´s not dogging it, that´s a positive.
IMO, Hall could be turning this into a messy situation but he´s not.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Remember rule #1 in the Raider Nation Rule Book
Dont believe anything the media says.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Morning Nation!!
IMO Hall gets mad respect 4 playing (praticing) with a broken bone in his hand!! Thats what the ufck Im talking about!! He’s setting the example 4 the rest of the team.. It kills me how some are preciveing his statements as b1tching.. He is becoming a leader something our D desprately needs!! Raider on Hall!!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:52 am
LMN, Dakota,
peace up brothers. It must be beer:30 somewhere.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Dakota..
that is exactly the problem, you think you read between the lines, but you are forced to the result..
“But your delusions are yours and not mine, We take for granted we know the whole story, We judge a book by its cover, And read what we want, Between selected lines”
August 13th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Is Jerry doing that live chat today? If so, we’re not getting our early fix until sometime around 2:30-3
August 13th, 2008 at 9:54 am
They always mix in just enough truth with their lies and fabrications in the attempt to sell more copy.
Thats what it is all about.And Raider bashing sells copy.
Al has always been their favorite whipping boy because he doesnt kowtow to them like a boot kissing corporation in need of good press.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Hall will never be a leader. He is a proven divisive presence and this is just his first salvo of complaints. Many more will soon follow. Sit back and watch the show. Atlanta fans know what the real deal is, and soon so will the Raider Nation.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:58 am
and so what if Hall never becomes aleader,we didn’t trade for him to be a leader, we traded for him to have a balance on the field..
we have a saying here in DK, too many chiefs not enough indians… we don’t need him to be a leader, we have Gibril, we have morrison and Howard and we still have Nnamdi..
how many leaders do you want on the field? 11??
August 13th, 2008 at 9:59 am
So we have a owner who said no to the press a long time ago.
And a press that must sell copy and will lie to do it.
A history of Raider Press being mostly bs and highly negative.
Football players who are mad because theres not enough bodies at camp because people are greedy
Throw in Raider fan who who immediatly buys into everything said by press that fits Raider fans “agenda”
and we have………………..
August 13th, 2008 at 9:59 am
So are you guys lumping Jason Jones in with the Ray Rattos and Nancy Gays of the world, because those quotes come from his blog…
August 13th, 2008 at 10:00 am
You may have the last dart
August 13th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Dakota
where’s your faith? Cant you give the guy a chance he is like it or not our starting corner!
August 13th, 2008 at 10:03 am
LMN,
My statement about Hall not being a leader was directed a 408’s comment. I never said I wanted him to be a leader. If you can’t even keep up with what is being stated on this blog maybe you should refrain from telling people how to interpret direct quotes.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Dakota..
i’m just surprised that you, just take this sh1t and eat it, just because its served on a silver plate..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Throw in Raider fan who who immediatly buys into everything said by press that fits Raider fans “agenda”
and we have………………..
Kool-Aid drinker #1 = 408
August 13th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Dakota
What exactly is this divisive presence history that you talk about?. What incidents are there in Hall´s history that we should be aware of?.
As far as I know, the Carolina game from last year is the only negative in Hall´s record.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Did any reporter ask him about the X-Rays?
About what the doctor said?
I say its a little truth mixed in with lots of fabrication to decieve the willing
August 13th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Dakota…
hahah, yeah, good one lol how the hell should i realize it was a comment to 408.. you didn’t address it, to me it just looks like a statement from your mind..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:09 am
My rant worked both ways.
Was that a double entrede?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
What does the press have to do in this particular case?.
Jason Jones printed Hall´s quotes and that´s it. The rest is an argument between us.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
408…
there is a difference between being a kool-aid raider who buys everything the FRANCHISE says, and a fan that buys into everything the PRESS says…
I’m none of the above, but I have more respect for the kool-aid fan, because he choses to believe the FRANCHISE, the fan who believes the PRESS doesn’t know better
August 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Overall, I would surmise that the Raider coaching staff, players and front office personnel have greater concerns going forward than as to whether DeAngelo Hall will or won’t blow an ego gasket this season.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:12 am
LMN,
I can fuking read his direct quotes. Are you claiming Jason Jones took those quotes “out of context”? Lol, the athlete’s excuse for saying dumb sheet…out of context.
Whatever bro, I read Halls direct quotes and I see a guy complaining and telling the media that the team is wrong in having him practice. You can read it and feel that Hall is the man for practicing. To each their own.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Dakota
I knew you were talking to me
You guys are going @ it pretty good today Im just gonna stay out of this one!
LMN agree to disagree?
1 Nation
August 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
No hateraid for me
Im drinking cheri flavored koolaid and I dont care what it taste like or what color it or if its hot or cold.
Im all in and if someone says something bad about the Raiders from now untill the end of the season Im calling their bluff and saying its all lies.
Amd if I am wrong about it at the end of the season I wont care
Best year ever!!
August 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Lifes too short to sweat the small stuff
August 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Dakota…
hahah, yeah, good one lol how the hell should i realize it was a comment to 408.. you didn’t address it, to me it just looks like a statement from your mind..
____________________________________________________
What, do you just read my comments LMN? I am flattered.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I’m really surprised this is a theme in the first place, it should have been dismissed.. And i’m a bit embarrassed that those here who I use to have in high regards, jumped right into it..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Dakota..
of course I always do, thats why I do not understand why you were so easily fooled..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:16 am
LMN
Yup! I love my Kool-Aid but only because I want Our Raiders to win so much! I dont believe everything the FRANCHISE says I pick the flavors I drink..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:17 am
I’m really suprised it took you this long to catch on to that. I’m really gonna kick your butt in FF alongside of dakotas
August 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am
if Hall tells that he thinks the team is wrong is bit of a stretch, if anything he disagree with the medical department, not the club, not the coaches, not the owners…
But guess what Hall hasn’t got a medical degree, thats why he is on the field..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Whether it’s subliminal whining or gutting it out, the biggest issue here should be his health. We need this guy to be healthy, and what we should all be really wondering is how serious is the injury.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
408..
and thats kool, but to take a Writers spin of something is another thing..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:21 am
SBB..
I can’t be serious, if it was, the medical department would have held him out of practice.. thats their job..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:22 am
SBB..
IT can’t be serious..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:22 am
LMN
One thing is certain, this wouldn´t be an issue (and it´s only one in here) if Hall didn´t speak about it. I was surprised that I didn´t wake up to a “Selfish Hall turns on Kiffin” headline somewhere.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Parcells is changing the Miami Dolphin colors and unis.
He wants a tough look.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Joe Horn is desperate to get out of Atlanta.
Maybe Al can get him for the league minimum.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Andrews Mom,
a Flipper goes gonzo look? A porpoise with an eye patch?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:26 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
408..
and thats kool, but to take a Writers spin of something is another thing..
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Please make your case as to why I should take your spin on direct quotes from Hall, instead of the spin from Jason Jones. Besides, the quoted statements were very clear…just read what Hall actually said and ignore the rest LMN, and it equals complaining. Maybe he has a right to be complaining, but it is complaining nonetheless.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I dont think Al is finished shopping and Kiffin wants more players.
I bet the Bengals are close to trading Chad now that they have proved their point.
I am waiting for a big signing.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:29 am
M I was trying to picture a tough dolphin and all I came up was a cigar in its mouth and some ink on its flippers and maybe some bling.
I bet it would be a big seller in Miami
August 13th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Dakota,
training camp is the coaches wet dream but the players are all tired of the gig by now. getting out healthy is probably their main concern.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:32 am
LMN - Yes, you’re right. The training/medical staff is there for that reason. To evaluate things like that. But when a player says he doesn’t think he should be out there, a second medical opinion never hurts…
August 13th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Dakota..
I guess it comes down to how you see the world.. if its a cold, evil world were everything is out to get you, then a quote like that might be bleak, I just don’t have enough imagination to make it a problem..
August 13th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Andrews Mom,
Parcells is just an odd duck. If the old logo was tough enough for Csonka, Kiick, Little, and Buonoconti one would think that it might remain without trying to turn it into some gruesome angry mammal.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am
All this banter about what Hall had to say yesterday, while entertaining is not that big a deal. Hall will be there come 9-8-08, and that is all that matters.
I am much more concerned about, the status of the injury to Aso’s foot. That COULD be a major problem, if he has a broken bone in his foot. Can’t play w/ that.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:36 am
The Denver MNF opener is sold f’n out. I’ll be there. They really need to win this game to set the right tone for the season. Just like that drubbing by SD on the MNF opener set the tone for that horrible season two years ago.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:37 am
# Andrews mom Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 10:29 am
M I was trying to picture a tough dolphin and all I came up was a cigar in its mouth and some ink on its flippers and maybe some bling.
I bet it would be a big seller in Miami
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LOL, reminds me of the flying hellfish…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raging_Abe_Simpson_and_His_Grumbling_Grandson_in_%22The_Curse_of_the_Flying_Hellfish%22
August 13th, 2008 at 10:37 am
LMN,
it is a cold, evil and bleak world…don’t you remember how February looks from your flat?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Bob Marley..
yeah I agree. it seems like a waste of time..
In DK we have a saying; its like a storm in glass of water…
in other words its no biggy…
August 13th, 2008 at 10:40 am
LMN,
I guess I see Hall like you see the U.S. Why are you so down on us anyhow?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Hall didn’t do anything more or less than the rest of the league is doing right now: complaining about having to be on the field for too many reps, because there aren’t enough bodies otherwise. Kiffin complained about the same thing, and it immediately was construed as a shot at Al. They — like all other employees of the league — can gripe about the situation all they want, but until the roster limits are changed, they’ll just have to suck it up.
Somebody call for a waah-mbulance
August 13th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Maybe they will just change the colors.
The fans might not like them messing with history too much.
Imagine if Al goes and some beancounter decides the pirate should look less menacing to more reflect the Bay Area and while we are at it, lets jazz up the colors. Black and White are dull.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Hall didn’t do anything more or less than the rest of the league is doing right now: complaining about having to be on the field for too many reps, because there aren’t enough bodies otherwise. Kiffin complained about the same thing, and it immediately was construed as a shot at Al. They — like all other employees of the league — can gripe about the situation all they want, but until the roster limits are changed, they’ll just have to suck it up.
Did somebody call for a waah-mbulance?
August 13th, 2008 at 10:48 am
The reality is I don’t think we’re very good right now as a team,” Kiffin said.
“I think we get tested with our first unit because our defense is so talented, especially the first secondary and Stanford (Routt) being the third corner,” Kiffin said. “That’s part of it but that’s no excuse. We have to improve our timing, consistency. It’s going to continue to hurt us until we have all of our receivers practicing every day with our quarterback and we’re in good enough shape that they can do that.”
Here we go again…Excuses, excuses, excuses.
The lack of an NFL passing game should be a major concern. Kiffin’s got Russell in handcuffs with all the check downs and the “take what the defense gives you”, mantra. Kiffin has him discombobulated. Russell will finally blossom when Al brings in an NFL head coach that will let the big fella rip it.
A true Raider doesn’t take what they give you, a true Raider takes what he wants.
Just Win Baby.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:48 am
HayesDaze
Well said.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Bob,
If you need more evidence other than his public melt-down and tirade against his coach to believe that Hall is divisive, then I guess you could look at his trade demands, his free Mike Vick campaign, and his refusal to join his teammates on a bus ride to the movies for a teambuilding event when Mora was the HC in Atl.
His biotching yesterday is just the first hint of storm MeAngelo rolling in, and before you know it, we will all get soaked in his BS.
Mark my words boys and girls, Hall’s tenure here will be just as stormy as it was in the Atl. Just wait until he gets burned a few times and turns on Rob Ryan. I CAN’T WAIT FOR THAT DAY! FIRE ROB RYAN!
August 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am
The Raiders already know what 2 time Pro Bowler DeAngelo Hall can do, his practice time should have been limited to a certain extent anyway, regardless of any injury. Now that he has a broken bone in his hand, he probably should be held out as much as possible to avoid further injury.
With that being said, I agree with Dakota. Hall’s words, when taken directly as a quote, do read like complaining.
Either way, it’s not about who is being fooled by the media spin, or Raider conspiracy. It’s about a Pro Bowl player b*tching about playing with an injury. No more, no less.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Dogg,
Where the hell have you been?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:01 am
John Lynch, looking at the Patriots.
Per, PFT.com
August 13th, 2008 at 11:05 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
but what can i expect from guys that thought it was sadd4m who flew the planes.. no wonder you’re on the way down..
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Why do you come on this site to talk about American football and then say sheet like this? You bashed the US a couple days ago too. What is your problem with the US LMN? Just man up and speak your mind. How do you really feel about the US LMN. Please share with us your European opinion of the US.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am
whats up with Nnamdi’s foot???
August 13th, 2008 at 11:08 am
408,
Any problem with a CB’s foot is a big problem right? Remember Woodson and his turf toe issues? This news is a little scary, but hopefully it will turn out okay.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Dakota..
“Why are you so down on us anyhow?”
I don’t know why,but let me illustrate it like this; when a young guy you work with, thinks he is superman, and he clearly isn’t, in fact, he is not the smartest but thinks he is and so on, then you look at the guy in another way than he does himself… not that the guy is bad or anything, he just isn’t what he think he is…
I guess thats why
My favorite quote to describe americans..
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.”
as Homer would say its funny because its true, but in fact its a bit sad too =)
August 13th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Gotta go.. Champions league..
August 13th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Sorry if this reposts — my connection’s acting up…
A QB — at almost every level of play in football — MUST know how to check-down. If Kiffin wants a job as a HC at any level, he must ensure his QB knows how to take what’s available.
Just because check-down school is in session, it doesn’t mean downfield plays won’t be called. Some of the greatest plays in Raiders history — in NFL history — were made on check-downs. When one has an arm like JaMarcus does, those check-downs can actually be long-bombs.
Until we see what JaMarcus and this offense can do during real (opposing team) play, there really isn’t much to complain about. You guys wouldn’t even be arguing about this (yeah, right!) if that first play to Walker was a success the other day.
Speaking of Walker — nobody’s talking about how he went after that ball with little apparent regard for his knee or his damaged face. That says a lot. If we want JaMarcus to flourish, his suspect WR corps must flourish as well.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:10 am
I lived next to Jims nephew Harry Kiick in 69.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:11 am
LMN, you can do better than that, give us some more quotes on America. Put us in our place.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:12 am
if yer a fan and are not concerned about our passing game…yer not payin attention.
contrav…
cont…
…can’t say it
August 13th, 2008 at 11:15 am
yup huge problem!! I hope Nnamdi is ok!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:16 am
LMN, don’t use your little soccer match as an excuse to run away, we all know you are still reading the blog right now. Keep the anti-US jabs coming you little American hater from tiny, irrelevant Denmark.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:17 am
LMN — You do take many shots at the US. You should just stick to football/sports — where we can tell you how wrong you are without insulting your country.
Go Raiders
August 13th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Andrews Mom,
You’re practically a celebrity aren’t you?
HayesDaze,
I’m not unduly concerned about JaMarcus’ ability to make a read and a throw, though I am wondering if Kid Lane and Knapp will become the same ultra-conservative play callers as nearly every other coach in the NFL has become when they pucker up on the sideline trying not to lose.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Dakota -
Life has really been moving fast these days, so much so that my free time has been quite limited. Couple that with the fact that my little 11 year old cousin infected my computer beyond repair and you can see why I have been MIA.
Now that things have mellowed a bit and I now have a new computer, I am back and in a big way.
How’s things been, here and otherwise? Thanks for Turiaf by the way…
August 13th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Hey they found a Chupacabra!!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Dogg,
Glad to have you back! You guys are going to love Turiaf…hustle, hustle and more hustle. That dude is a team player.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:21 am
“The United States has the opportunity to become either mankind’s greatest achievement or its greatest failure.”
Walt Whitman circa 1871.
you decide
August 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Does anyone know if Jerry is doing that live chat today?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:23 am
If you’re a Raiders fan, you better be worried about a lot of things — not just the passing game.
Another reason we’re concentrating on the shorter routes? To keep JaMarcus’s arm from getting worse…otherwise, we’ve got 2 QB’s on the roster too sore to throw. Tui to start on MNF vs Denver? Now, that’s worth worrying about.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am
408RAIDER,
perhaps Parcells can morph his Dolphin logo into an aquatic Chupacabra on the new uniforms!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am
M,
What do you think, are we a failure?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:25 am
S&BB
Think so last week the posted a link in a new post be for it started
August 13th, 2008 at 11:26 am
M
Hell yeah anythings better than a dolphin!! New post BTW
August 13th, 2008 at 11:27 am
I was also gayer than a fruitbasket full of kumquats
August 13th, 2008 at 11:27 am
HayesDaze,
I am worried that Dakota is going to fling a whiskey bottle through his TV screen the very next time that Rob Ryan calls for a boneheaded defensive alignment.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Good lookin’ on the heads up 408
August 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am
The West Coast offense is all about the reads, sometimes as many as six deep. The purpose is to avoid turnovers / incompletions and to get something where there is nothing. Better a 4 yard completion than no yards or an interception.
The biggest challenge a rookie quarterback has is to be able to learn to read the defense and make a decision in the 3 seconds from snap to pass. It is far better to check off than to force a throw into tight coverage.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Today’s athletes take themselves out of games. The old school guys would have to be decapitated to come out of a game. Read the Jack Youngblood story if you don’t believe me.
Ever see that clip on NFLN with Dick Vermeil coaching the last minute of the Super Bowl, he cant believe his DE is taking himself out of the game with under a minute to go?
Things have changed a lot in the last 20-30 years in this game, the athletes may be better in some respects but they not as committed to the game.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:34 am
M — at crunch time, conservative play-calling kills me. Gruden used to take that route all the time, and it cost us. When fans know our plays before the snap, almost as well as our own defense knows them, we’ve got major issues.
Point I’m trying to make, though, is that Kiffin acknowledges JaMarcus still hasn’t been let loose, and his time will come. It would be ridiculous to send the kid out there with half a playbook, and no way to get out of trouble when plays break down (and they’re going to break down — a lot).
We have yet to see a confident JaMarcus, capable of carrying this team on his shoulders. That’s only going to happen with experience and training. The training he’s getting now — the experience will be coming fast in the first month of the season. My guess is he’ll be like a different person after the Bye Week…a real professional QB, and a real leader. Kiffin’s handling this right.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Raiderdogg good to see you.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I have to agree with you HayesDaze#37 Everyone thinks they are an expert on what to do with Russell.
“Kiffin’s handling this right.”
August 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am
In case you were wondering how you can have six check downs if there are only five eligible receivers, the sixth check down:
Throw it out of bounds, into the dirt, into the crotch of a blitzing linebacker, etc. Historical example:
Sam Rutigliano to Brian Sipe in the 1980 playoff game between the Browns and the Raiders, “If everyone is covered, throw it into Lake Erie!”
P.S. He didn’t listen.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Wonder what Jim Otto would think about much of todays early comments?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:52 am
no he didn’t listen and mike davis picked it off!!!!!!!!! hahahaa
if only their kicker made an extra point they would have just kicked a fg. then we’d only have 2 superbowls.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
anyone else pick up madden 09 for ps3 yesterday? We should set up an online tournament. If anyone is interested my ps3 network id is: NoLuv4Hoes
add me to your friends list. anyone else that wants to be added type your psn id so i can add you to my list. i was pretty good with the 08 madden but this 09 is a little different but overall i am pretty happy with it. i think the best feature is that the uniforms actually get muddy in rainy games.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
#301 lol
August 13th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
303 Im working it!
August 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
america keeps getting involved in wars overseas because europeans are cowards. Why is the US the first to respond to Russia????? Europeans run and hide behind americans and then back stab them. Kind of reminds me of arafat.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Yea luvnohoes the game is tight I’ll add you so I can rip you a new booty
August 13th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Jim,
You are two threads behind us….come join us.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Raiders management needs to get real and start making more moves to improve as a football team. Main concerns are O-Line, D-Line, and WR. Chris Henry is tall, strong and has speed and has a nasty attitude for getting the ball. We need a big receiver like that cuz Walker is crying and actin like a baby not showing his true skills. Henderson is maybe on the trading block in N.O. we need another big man to stop the run. Signing Kelly to a big term deal wasn’t the smartest move. Need more proven players to stop the run. And the O-Line run blocking is great but the tackles are slow and weak!!! You’ll see Kearse friday run right past em!!! RAIDERS MANAGEMENT… LISTEN UP AND MAKE THESE MOVES!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
I wanna know what going with Arman Shield is he hurt ???