Receivers still not catching on
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, August 20th, 2008 at 3:37 pm in 2005 Regular Season, Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Raiders practice Wednesday:
– After watching as footballs continue to litter the ground after glancing only temporarily off the hands of intended receivers, Lane Kiffin was asked whether the challenge he issued to his receivers to improve their play had been met.
“Unfortunately, I haven’t seen it,” Kiffin said. “I don’t how many (drops) today, probably seven, and a number of them with our frontline guys. So we’ll see. We’ll come out here tomorrow and the plan is for these guys to play a lot in the game and get some shots to produce.”
Running back Justin Fargas dropped a pair of easy swing pass opportunities from Russell. Russell moved on a reverse roll to his left and found Drew Carter, only to have the pass dropped.
Todd Watkins, one of the most reliable receivers in camp, mishandled an easy opportunity on a medium depth pass over the middle.
During one goal line drill, Javon Walker tried to make a difficult catch near the goal line but was unable to come up with it, a play that happened right in front of Al Davis, who was seated in a golf cart watching practice.
Walker gave Davis a quick wave, but got nothing in return. (The two talked after practice).
Moments later, Walker lined up in the left slot, only to be repositioned by Ronald Curry, who sent him to the other side of the field. Walker was able redeem himself in some measure by catching a short pass in the end zone in front of Darrick Brown, in the same corner where Davis was still watching.
Kiffin was asked if the dropped passes can be contageous.
“Definitely I think it can. I think it’s like anything, it can affect people around you no matter what it is,” Kiffin said. “Then all of a sudden that confidence in your group, one of your guys starts to lose it and it can start affecting guys if you don’t have an extremely confident group that’s done it for a long time.”
– Tight ends Zach Miller and John Madsen continued to secure the ball consistently, and were joined in that regard Wednesday by Tony Stewart, who returned from a toe injury.
– When the Raiders finally struck with a deep pass, it came from the unlikely combination of Marques Tuiasosopo to Drisan James on a 30-plus yard corner route. James appeared to catch the ball on a dive despite tight coverage from Nnamdi Asomugha and Michael Huff.
Touchdown?
Senior executive John Herrera, standing at the goal line, said yes.
Mark Davis, son of the Raiders owner, said no.
– Russell had a good sequence during a third-down drill in a team format from varying distances. He opened with a short completion to Miller which was short ot the first down, but followed with a first down strike to the right sideline to Chaz Schilens, a successful conversion on a slant pass to Walker, a third-and-4 conversion to Madsen and a third-and-9 conversion to Ronald Curry before Carter’s drop of a deep pass.
– More good work from Russell in a red zone drill _ a 22-yard TD strike to Carter over Brown and consecutive touchdown passes to Madsen and Stewart.
– The Raiders are working with Russell to get rid of the ball when things don’t open up, a problem which dogged Walter in the Art Shell-Tom Walsh era where the coaching staff held to the archaic strategy of waiting until a receiver broke free _ regardless of the length of time.
Kiffin conceded the coaches can talk all the want, but the real learning would only come on game day.
“It’s one of the hardest things that you do because it only happens on game day,” Kiffin said. “He doesn’t get hit in practice. That’s why veteran guys are better than young guys. That’s why when you have a rookie you have to be careful with what you do, in my opinion.
“Those things come with experience from the game. That’s the only way you can get it. You can’t do it in practice. You can say as much as you want: ‘Ball gone, ball gone’ when it’s got to be gone but it’s not the same as getting hit in the back of the head when you hold onto it too long. ”
“That’s why we’re playing him a lot in the preseason. That’s why we’re also at times going to be conservative with him.”
– Russell made a nice read on a Stanford Routt blitz, hitting Carter for a gain in the area Routt vacated to rush the passer.
– Louis Rankin broke into the clear on one run, with defensive coordinator Rob Ryan taking strong safety Gibril Wilson to task.
“That’s your fit, Gibril. Close that (bleeping) fit, Gibril,” Ryan said.
– Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly was called for offsides and proceeded to take another of his “laps” around the field. It took Kelly 1:40 to take approximately three-quarters of a lap at a walk-jog pace.
“That was disappointing because it was third down and it wasn’t even a hard count,” Kiffin said.
Kalimba Edwards was also sent running, and by comparison looked like Usain Bolt.
– Players who Kiffin ruled out for the Arizona game Saturday night were cornerback John Bowie (knee), linebacker Grant Irons (back), wide receiver Arman Shelds (knee) and kickers Shane Lechler (quad) and Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring).
Safety Hiram Eugene (hip) did not practice but Kiffin was not ready to rule him out.
Kiffin said if Saturday were a regular-season game, Lechler probably would not be ready to kick but there was a possibility Janikowski would be ready. The Raiders have their first cutdown Tuesday and may have to keep both Aaron Elling and Glenn Pakulak if Lechler and Janikowski aren’t ready to resume practice or kick against Seattle in the preseason finale.
– With Davis in attendance for the first time at a practice session in Alameda, the session lasted more than two hours, although it was scheduled to be a more brief practice than Tuesday.
“Everything that didn’t go right we repeated, we didn’t let anything go by, (we) really kept ‘em out here for a long time and pushed ‘em through it,” Kiffin said. “It was good to see their reaction to it, and guys worked extremely hard.”
– Thanks to those who participated in the weekly on-line chat. We’ll probably have to adjust the time and later the day of the chat, as noon is running into practice and interview time and Wednesday during the regular season is the busiest day of the week with interview sessions and conference calls with opposing teams.
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August 20th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Hello
August 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Die Firsters!
August 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
What are you coaches feeding these guys???? Stop with the fried chicken already.
How bout some stickem?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
What about Nnamdi’s foot?
…………
Walker gave Davis a quick wave, but got nothing in return. (The two talked after practice)…… WTF I hope AL asked for his money back…
August 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Why no metion of Al giving Javon the finger?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
mention
August 20th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
BFD
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Javon should go to prison for stealing from the elderly. Shannahan is just having a hell of a laugh everyday as he reads this column from the tanning bed.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
“Just, catch the damn ball, Javon.”–Al Davis..
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
sounds like we better be running two tight end sets, miller as the tight end madsen in the slot where he can do his damage, he sould be lined up like dallas clark of the colts, we would be deadly like that , it is time we use the talent the players have and quite holding them back
August 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Eddie Royal > Javon Walker
August 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Great report, thx Jerry.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Why again did Davis talk Walker out of retiring?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Players who Kiffin ruled out for the Arizona game Saturday night were cornerback John Bowie (knee), linebacker Grant Irons (back), wide receiver Arman Shelds (knee) and kickers Shane Lechler (quad) and Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring).
Now, does anybody remember this ridiculous post from BHP?
Blackholepriest Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
His father says he’ll play next game. the kid is chomping at the bit. His father and I talked a lot about Davis and the Raiders.
He also said that Tampa was courting Shields as if he was Beyonce’. they were sure he would be there when they picked in the 5th. He meantioned 2 other teams as well but I can’t recall because we talked so long.
We kind of hit it off real cool, going to go to games together. So we’ll see.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
re-post from last thread…
I’m thinking (hoping)that alot of the dropped balls are due to the force that JR is putting on the ball….our receivers need to be set up in front of a Juggs machine on full tilt. Get used to a higher velocity ball.
But I’m just an armchair QB
August 20th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
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August 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
KK
Who is the we in that comment?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
oh my bad shields
August 20th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Next time Al should get out of that cart and pick the ball off right in front of Walker and say “that’s how you catch a ball”
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
FIRE LOFTON!
Just Win Baby.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
KK, way to dodge the question loser.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Troll has returned.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
damn russell is looking great…he’s going to carry this offense more than our running backs i feel, especially when push comes to shove and we are down points in need of a quick score
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Somebody call Freddy B and have him bring the jar of stickum
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
FIRE EVERYBODY!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I’d prefer a dump off pass short of the 1st down than one dropped past the marker.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
408: post # 4 LMAO.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
After watching, everyone drop passes today. Maybe Al, got on the phone, looking for a veteran un-employed, receiver. Who has a proven record of being able to CATCH, the damn ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
post #5 was great as well
August 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
408,
Supposedly the “we” is Arman Sheilds father and BlackholePriest. lol.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Maybe J Russell is not that good?
Maybe thoes passes are too hard, and a little to off?????
August 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Maybe after watching practice Al realizes he needs to go after Boldin
August 20th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Think people, if JRuss was throwing it too hard the coaches would tell him. Thats not the problem, our receivers suck.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Thank you MR, aka Fire Kiffin, aka Wiz 76, aka Jon Grudens Wife for applying for the position of busboy. We regret to inform you that we have decided to go in a different direction and have hired someone else for the positon.
Sincerely,
Denny’s
August 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
All of these guys caught the ball well in college. So what they come to camp and forget????
August 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Go get Boldin now !!!!!
He is worth a 1st round pick…….
Get ‘em Al……..
August 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Hey man, easy, the real Wiz is in the house. No I am not a troll, nor a hater, just a life long RAIDER that is a realist.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I have confidence in Curry, we don’t ask to much of him and he in turn doesn’t give us too much. But Carter and Walker scare the crap out of me. It is not inprobable that between those two one will suck and one will be hurt. Al go get some capable WR’s!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
In other news: “Broncos Center Tom Nalen, to have another surgery on his left knee.”
Per,pft.com
August 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I hope they have to amputate
August 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Nalen should just get it amputated.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
[Comment From FIRE KIFFIN]
From what you have observed, how is James Lofton intercacting with the players? Is he a “player’s coach”? How would you compare Lofton’s coaching style to Kiffin’s?
jerrymac - Fire Kiffin: Interesting case with Lofton. He looks to be a very good coach. The receivers are getting more instruction than they ever got before, part of it was Freddy B. had self-starters such as Brown and Rice and a head case in Porter. But the thing is, the Raiders receivers have been pretty awful all through camp. So I’ really not sure what to make of his coaching.
Just Win Baby.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I just can’t believe that our receivers are that bad. You have to catch when you get to the NFL level.
The hardest part is not catching the damn ball, it’s running crisp routes and getting open. When the ball touches you hands, you should catch it.
I never played at the NFL level, but I played through JC and a little simi-pro. I wasn’t a superstar, but I could catch the damn ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
You posed a good question FireKiffin….could it be lofton? he is always praised as a great WR coach. I just dont know. I think our receivers just suck (at the least, they do in practice, from what Jerry tells us).
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Walker and Carter have to start building confidence in Russell, why would he have confidence throwing the ball in tight coverage to one of them when they drop passes in freaking 7 on 7 drills
August 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
This isn’t Lofton’s fault. NFL receivers should already know how to catch the fricken ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Rob Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
“Javon should go to prison for stealing from the elderly. Shannahan is just having a hell of a laugh everyday as he reads this column from the tanning bed.”
Greatest post ever.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
This in in no way a coaches problem when the receivers cannot catch a pass. This team does not have a proven big play receiver. Walker will at best be a no one, at the rate he has been going. I wish AD had just gotten his money back and maybe we could have made a play for boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I’m wondering if their not being challenged enough. are they bored? Feel over worked? What?!
If I was Lofton i’d call up Fred and ask if they make CLEAR stick em, then I’d bathe these guys uniforms in it.
Personally I think their gonna be just fine once the season starts.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Lots of cry babies in here today. Go change your diapers and get a squirt of mommas milk.
Only big boys in here today.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Nalen is one tuff SOB. When this guy hangs up his cleats, the game will have lost a true football player in every sense, Strong, mean, nasty, durable, smart. He is as close as you can get to our own great centers. Robins, mosebar…ect but most of all the best of the BEST Jim Otto!.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hello Mod.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Bull crap Wiz. Don’t compare a donkey to some of the greatest Raiders to wear the Silver and Black.
You moron troll.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
NATION hwat is up???????
Lofton is a great WR coach. Lofton is not the problemhe is not the one with the hands issue…..
August 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Robbins one of our own “great” centers? Dude you are an idiot.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
– Thanks to those who participated in the weekly on-line chat. We’ll probably have to adjust the time and later the day of the chat, as noon is running into practice and interview time and Wednesday during the regular season is the busiest day of the week with interview sessions and conference calls with opposing teams.
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LoL, JerryMac, nobody here has forced you to choose Wednesday.. why not Tuesday in the first place?? thats your laziest day.. Furthermore, not so clever to choose noon either.. most west coasters would I presume has their break around that time… And for us guys from across the sea its not that great if its too late, I’m the only one of the europeans who post here who has a freaky job, so I can sit here all the time =)
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
hhhh!! Are we still droping balls? Maybe we should change our “Just Win Baby” slogan to “JUST CATCH BABY”. YA KNOW?!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Nalen is a donkey and a communist
August 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Wiz is a troll idiot.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
No man you are wrong. I hate the Big teeth donkeees Elwroode Shanna a$$ hats as much as anybody. And I hate Tom Nalen as well. I whis he would have gone away long long ago. The facts are the facts, he is not as good as our greats, but who is? No one. But T.N. has to be the runner up. A very distant second to all of our greats.
God why did B. Robins have to go overboard…
August 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Maybe we are a bit spoiled as we witnessed two of the greatest receivers of all time in Tim Brown and Jerry Rice dawn the Silver and Black.
Even still , Lofton sucks.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I got a quick question. Based on some of the threads I have read in the past few weeks, do you mean to tell me that whenever the Raiders win a game both MR and Fire Kiffin are disappointed, because it shows MR that Al Davis may know what’s going on, and it shows Fire Kiffin that Kiffin may be a good coach for this team? That’s shameful to call yourselves Raider fans and be disappointed whenever they win. If the Raiders make the playoffs this year, does that mean MR and FK are going to stop being Raider fans?
I can see it now:
Greg Pappa - “And with this victory the Raiders will go to the playoffs!”
MR and Fire Kiffin, screaming at the TV - “NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This can’t be happening! They were supposed to suck this year! What bad things am I going to say about the Raiders now?”
August 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
The true test of how good a coach Lofton is will be the development of the young guys. Veterans are veterans, if 50 million dollars doesn’t motivate Javon than I doubt anything Lofton says will
August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Wiz, whatever dude, try some damage control is post 60. You are still an idiot for even mentioning him even in the same sentance as Raider greats, and for bringing up the name Barret Robbins.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Sorry, but teach someone how to properly catch a pass happen in little league thru freshman ball. You do not have to coach how to catch a ball in the NFL. Sounds like they are getting open, which means Lofton is coaching them just fine.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
VIncent Vega,
What is your background in Pro Football?
Are you able to make a comment on a situation without letting your personal bais get in the way?
Not all of the best players can be RAIDERS, can they?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
WHY?
Why is Lofton a great coach? San Diego with Lofton developed ZERO WR’s. Now in Oakland we have WR’s who may be getting worse the longer he is around.
Performance is key - not how they sound and definately not if they are popular with players. WR’s under Lofton stink.
“Lofton was a great WR as a player” they say. Yeah, Art Shell was a Hall of Fame OT. Need I say more?
We need a WR COACH. Not some old WR.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Wiz,
Vincent Vega is probably 666 Troll. Fk him, don’t bother.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
RaiderNathan..
who the heck is that, some pseudo-nick adapted for moment?
well as for your joke, good stuff =)
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Robins had a problem, as I do. We just kinda do things without thinking too much about the outcome when we are not on our meds. Doesent everybody have some kind of hang up? Robbins was destin to continue our tradition of great RADIER centers.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Give it some COW, post # 65 hit it right on. A WR coach is supposed to teach the veterans little nuances and such and the young guys how to play at the NFL level, but not catching the ball. Pitching coaches in baseball don’t teach how to throw the ball forward, they show them little tricks and secrets, grip the ball etc..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Robbins was destined for a casket and football saved his life for a few years
August 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
KoolKell,
Your right man, I did it again.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
In 2007 Al let Kiffin control everything but the Defense - the result? Every area improved except Defense which directly cost the team a .500 record.
In 2008, Al tampers with the WR coaching position. The result? So far they have gotten worse while every other area of the offense has improved.
Hmmmm, coincidence?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Post 72. that could be true.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
How do we know Lofton isnt showing them the little tricks? I dont agree with the notion you blame the WR coach for dropped passed, its nott like we are throwing to Lofton.
Also the chargers recievers did play better last yeaqr. How much of that could be attributed to the Wr coach?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
COW..
then go figure, some here even want him to be our HC.. LOL
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I don’t know much about the cap hit we would’ve taken, but why the hell did Al talk Javon out of retiring? I think we would have enough cap space without Javon to go after Boldin… Javon, retire! … message to Al, stay away of Joe Horn.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I won’t call Lofton a great coach. I can’t even say good. I don’t even have a opinion on whether he is good or bad.
I do know that it is not his fault that our receivers can’t catch the frickin ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Jivin Walker + somebody, for Boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Ah Vegas…refer to iffin’s “coaching” yesterday. Jerry heard Kffin cal out Walker’s improper hand placement right before Walker dropped the ball. That’s coaching. Where was Lofton? Yelling general things like, “Hold onto it!” is not good coaching. Telling Walker where his mechanics need to improve is coaching.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Was it Shells fault Gallery can’t pass block?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Is it Saragausa’s fault Gannon forgot how to pass?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Not me.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
The thread is about WR’s still not catching on.
Route Running, Burst off the Line, Reading defense etc
The problem is catching the ball. Can you teach an NFL player how to catch a ball? Quite frankly that should have been learned at aroung age 4, then progressed with technique changes.
than in my opinion is not Lofton’s fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
COW, Have you ever played football? Were you a WR.
Anyone who has ever played WR would tell you that at this level you should not have to coached on how to catch properly catch a football.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Good point COW, but shouldn’t Walker know where to have his hands placed already? Seems like something that could be taught to the young guys, but a veteran should be on top of these things. But you are right, if Kiffen is teaching technique and Lofton is just shouting words of encouragement, than we have a problem
August 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
UMM Lofton was SD’s WR coach FOR YEARS before they let him go. The WR’s improving last year? No. SD stank when Norv tried to use the WR’s. He gave up and went to all LT and they started winning.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Catching the ball is not what a coach should be teaching at the NFL level. What it boils down to is we do not have a top notch NFl receiving corp. In fact we may not have a college receiving corp.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Vincent Jackson improved for SD last year, but he also had problems with drops.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I watched all of SD games and can sya they were bad becuase of the QB with the noodle for an arm.
Also in the playoffs it was chambers, and jackson that kept them in the game not LT. Lt was a non-factor in the playoffs. It was the WR’s….Gates wasnt even a factor.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Either your pinkies should be touching, or thimb and index finger making a dimond shape. Which one to use depends on where the ball is.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
“thumb”, not thimb
August 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I think the droppsies have also affected the RB’s (at least Fargas), is that on Lofton? On Kiffin? On Russel?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Maybe the WR’s are just behind from being neglected, with the emphasis being on checkdowns?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
McR and Vegas - At this level -
Vince Young throws off his back foot, Higgins doesn’t tuck in the ball, Higgins fields punts inside the 5, Russell HAD poor footwork before coaching, McFadden was taught by Rathman basic ball security, defenses have to practice tackling and so on.
“They should know” is almost an admission that coach stinks and we’re making excuses. NFL players need coaching just like any other level.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
True, McRaider. But what if the ball is off the mark, say 2 feet? Is it then a inproperly ran rout, or a poorly thrown pass, or is it timing?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
So based on your post 96 they need to be coached on how to catch a football? WOW…..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I agree with COW, I have 7 salesmen working for me all with at least 10 on the road, I still have to preach the basics every now and then.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Yeah COW,
You can’t assume because they are Pros that they know everything. I see the Raiders do things everyweek that’s unexplainable.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hell, even Tiger Woods, has a “swing” coach.
You, can always improve your game. Even at the pro level. With the help of good coaching.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Teach your childern well.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
CATCHING A BALL IN A MAIN TASK FOR WR!!!!!!!!!!!
Vince can still throw a ball
McFadden can still hit the holes and run
At this level a WR is coached on to get open, how top full DB’s and to get off the line quickly, how to break on the ball. NOT HOW TO CATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Tom Nalen of the donkeys having knee surgery, maybe hell be back for opener, thats just terrible!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
# McRaider Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
COW, Have you ever played football? Were you a WR.
Anyone who has ever played WR would tell you that at this level you should not have to coached on how to catch properly catch a football.
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Have you ever played “at this level” No? okay, then you don’t know what you are talking about either..
Of course, the fundamentals needs to be there, but to claim that a receiver coach doesn’t correct their hand placement is just plain wrong..
I know its another position but its a good example… remember how Tiki Barbers Coach told him to hold the ball differently than he had done most of his career?? well it reduced his fumbles dramatically…
Of course Assistant coaches as Lofton needs to correct the small stuff, all pro’s fundamental needs to be corrected or better finetuned…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Tiger has a swing coach …
Kobe has a conditioning coach,
Lebron has a shooting coach …
Of course our players need coaching to GET BETTER.
You think Tiger doesn’t know how to hit a golf ball? What’s the point of him having a coach?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Correction
Sorry just a little frustrated
At this level a WR is coached on how to get open, how top fool DB’s and to get off the line quickly. and how to break on the ball. NOT HOW TO CATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
You guys understand what a “checkdown” is right?
I mean, nobody thinks it is a called play to a RB or TE ala the Walsh era 49ers. You know it’s not that right?
See, a check DOWN means the QB FIRST looked up the field for a WR to be open and rather than be sacked, he checks down to a safety valve.
This happens because? Anybody? BEcause THE WR’s AREN’T GETTING OPEN!
See Russell’s quote from yesterday. He talks about how the play call had 2 GO routes (deep passes, bombs) but HE decided to checkdown because nobody was open.
If you don’t like checkdowns don’t blame Kiffin, Russell or anybody but our sad sack WR’s.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I sse ya 909 ..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I have a eating coach.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
# 909raiderlifer Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hell, even Tiger Woods, has a “swing” coach.
You, can always improve your game. Even at the pro level. With the help of good coaching.
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exactly.. But McRaider seems to think Lofton is a route teacher… then he has done bad work with higgins..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
So we are to “assume” that Lofton isnt trying to correct the “small stuff” ? So we need to also assume Lofton knows nothing about coaching and should be fired right? I for one am not buying that. Unless someone that has been at camp tells me that is the case then i will beleive it. Everything else on this board is purely conjecture.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Yea, but, It’s my understanding the coaching has emphasized checkdowns in the first chapters of JaMarcus’s school books.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
NOt how to catch in general, man, c’mon …
How to go from being able to catch 90% of balls to 95% of balls. Or how to move from 95 to 98 %.
We’re not just talking about pitch and catch here. We’re talking about making catches with someone trying to knock you into next week.
You’re trying to make it seem way too easy.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Blaming a coach for a WR not catch passes is dumb as hell. I have never heard is a coach at the NFL level being blame for receivers dropping passes. WOW!!!
So when Randy was here, it was Freddy B’s fault that he was dropping all the passes.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
totally disagrre with post 111, you put the blame on lofton because higgins ran the wrong route? That was all on higgins. He went the wrong way on his route. Mental error, not coaching in my opinion.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Watching the Olympic Track guys, any guess’s on who Al Davis has his eye on?
lol. hhaaaa
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Bolt.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
How many balls in warm ups or with the machine do these guys get thrown at them during PRACTICE?????
August 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Guys, people need good coaching. McR I agree a guy playing pro WR should no how to catch BUT Walker missed Alot of time lasst year. Maybe he could use a coach helping him focus on the fundamentals. Players get sloppy and develop bad habits.
If WR’s are catching then focus on route running. WAIT! A pro WR needs to learn to run an OUT pattern? See we can do the “they should know that” game all night. Until they master a skill the coach should be hammering it non-stop.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
A coach can help you improve your game and as a result maybe a guy catched more balls with someone drapped on him, or he gets open more often and as a result catches more balls.
I get that. But these guys are dropping balls with no one on them. The pass that javon dropped in the last game was not the coaches fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Higgins in new the NFL and maybe he can’t be coached. It is not the WR coach if the guy can’t remember the play and were he should be.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
thec…
you miss my point, my point is that Lofton is a RECEIVERS COACH, not a route coach or something like that, his job is to teach them or correct, finetune their mistakes or show what hte do right and get rid off what is wrong..
I’m saying its Loftons responsibility to do that.. McRaider seems to think his job is to learn tehm which route to run…
And if that was the case Higgins hasn’t learned yet..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
In route running there are a lot of tricks that help get you open. I just think catching a ball should come natural for a guys that has been in the league for 4 or five years.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Of course WR is a position where Al meddles the most. Most of those guys are scholarship players anyway. Most of his track guys are not used to contact. Curry was a QB
August 20th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
McR - Of course it isn’t ALL the position coach’s fault.
BUT
When a UNIT performs well and improves (see Offensive Line / Cable) or a UNIT performs poorly and is not improving (see WR’s / Lofton) you have to look at coaching.
I loved Freddie B as a player but as a coach I thought he was just okay. Outside the uber talented Tim Brown we developed ZERO top notch WR’s under his watch. Kinda speaks for itself.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
LMN,
Higgins probable doesnt know the playbook and plays well enough to know what play was called. So is that the coaches fault? higgins may have an issue with the nomenclature, he went right when he should have went left. I am sure they practiced that play a thousand times and executed it. Now game time, and lights are on Higgins had a mental blue screen of death….
So waht you are suggesting is that its loftons fault?
Sorry could never agree with that.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
After that assz whooping, maybe Jivin needs contact lenses?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I did not say that a wr coach only teach a player how to run a route.
Tricks to make db bite
tricks to get off the line without being jammed
Wr blocking
finding a spot in the spot in the d and sitting
Not running yourself out of play
These are some other things that a WR coach works on.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If Higgins doesn’t know the playbook in his 2nd year, he should be released. Oh I forgot, he’s on scholarship
August 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
post 129, so how come non of that stuff is mentioned in the write up as to what the problems are? The problem is fundamental catch the damn ball.
Maybe are WR’s just need to have the machine throw them 5000 balls each.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Oh McR don’t think for a moment I’m letting any of the WR’s off the hook. Jerry just raised the question of Lofton so I talked about it.
Asomough proved that dedicated player can develop great hands. Morrison too. Where’s that dedication from our WR’s?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Mcraider good points Bro….. I am not buying its the coaches fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
90% of the posts in here are pretty stupid. Have some of you been drinking at work??
August 20th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
How many times have you mentioned the scholarship thing Koolkell?? or you keep forgetting what you just said Old man?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Oh Yeah! Javon Walker!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Coach the recievers haven’t played a down yet. What are you saying??
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Let’s see how many open looks Miller gets when the rest of the league finds out that our receivers can’t catch.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Repetition is a sign of good marketing.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Hey KoolKell,
Are you for giving something of worth up for Boldin or not?
Don’t think I’ve read your take on it yet.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
If you are talking about my grammer, sorry! I am mutli-talking and really not paying attention to what I am typing. I am also typing with emotion. I love football and I love the WR position.
I agree that the great receivers do work on developing great hands. A good idea would be the machine throwing 1 hour a day.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
So ZMILLER being in his second year is catching everything. Chaz my dark horse to make the team is making catches as a rook. But our mainline guys are dropping balls and we blame the coach?????????
Right….
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Thec..
get off the war path will ya..
pick a fight with another, I don’t say either Higgins is good or bad or that Lofton is good or bad..
All I know is I’m glad Lofton is receivers coach and Freddy B isn’t..
My point was that a coach no matter what level should correct the fundamentals and if he doesn’t, he doesn’t do his job IMO..
and Hand placement is corrected at the top-level as well..
my example was Tiki, after over 6 years in the league he was asked to do all his fundamentals all over and it reduced his fumbles..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Repititon is a good sign of Alzheimers.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
CoW Post 132: Don’t forget T Howard. I believe he spent many, many, hours and days improving his hands.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Remember the fundamental truth..
Teaching and learning is binary, which means to achieve optimal education, both provider and recipient needs to be the best..
- Bad teachers + good students = mediocre result
- Good teachers + bad students = above mediocre result
- Good teachers + good students = optimal result…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN,
Not waring with you BRO…..
You stated your opinion I stated mine. We can agree to disagree Bro… Relax have a cream soda.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Wideouts dropping the ball is not Loftons fault!Running the wrong routes could be traced to coaching,however,at what point does the receiver need to get IT DONE!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN, we’re talking football. the oblong brown ball. you’re still on soccer. It’s a different game son.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
RaiderMight,
I’d love to give up Walker + something for Boldin. Maybe Walker + draft choices. Maybe even Walker & Fargas.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Who the hell is RaiderPhil? Another of 666 alts?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Thec: The fact that the younger guys are cathing better may be because they are more willing to learn and work on a such a basic skill.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
dumb individuals + dumb posts = dumb sh** on internet
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I’ve posted here a ton of times kool kell. You must have forgot again. You have dementia old geezer?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
At the end of practice, Al Davis was asked how he thought the team performed. His Response: “I think we are leading in the overall medal count”.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
# McRaider Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
If you are talking about my grammer, sorry! I am mutli-talking and really not paying attention to what I am typing. I am also typing with emotion. I love football and I love the WR position.
____________________________________________
well its a hard bargain… why should we pay any attention to what you write, when even yourself don’t??
And typing with emotion?? what does that mean?, are you sitting and crying in front of your keyboard??
thats no excuse for being wrong…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Loftons not to blame if guys can’t catch the ball. but I’ve been seeing a lot fo dropped passes in games. It’s not just a Raider problem.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
RaiderPhil
Fine, if you don’t like the conversation why don’t you go watch television?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
# Thec Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN,
Not waring with you BRO…..
You stated your opinion I stated mine. We can agree to disagree Bro… Relax have a cream soda.
__________________________________________
so what is my opinion?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Psot 152, So in my opinion that goes back to what COW said about dedication, which has nothing to do with the coach.
Could be that the vets have ate allready and are fat i.e. walker. Young guns that can ball like Chaz are hungry to make the team.
BAD example of dedication:
Walkers dedication to the NATION, instea of rehabing, and working out go to vegas and purchase a A$$ whooping.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
is it just me or is it getting hot in here? Big AL was at pratice to day! So maby that made the guys a lil nervous.. That’s still no excuse for all the dropped balls.. These guys need to do whatever it takes to get their isht together!! Jebus… Its the WR’s fault they developed the droppsies maby it is contagious so hopefully when sombody steps up and startes catching the damb rock it will rub off on the rest of these clowns…. sheeze
August 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Okay LMN, You want to go the semantics route? Let me clarify, You said what you said, and i said what i said.
Done keep it moving Bro….
August 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I love the conversation old man. You must have forgot again. Don’t forget to take your pills. They help you remember.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I don’t like the idea of someone not doing their job (receivers not catching the ball) and than blaming someone else ( WR coach). There is plenty of blame to spread around, but first and foremost it is the one making the errors.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
“Discipline is a yearly issue with the Raiders, who usually rank near the top in penalties committed.”
Jason Jones
August 20th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Thec..
thanks… because I haven’t said my opinion..
I’ve used the examples to discredit McRaiders idea that a Receivers coach didn’t coach Hand Placement.. Which I find ludicrous..
That said..
I think Lofton will be a good asset but I don’t see him as holding the grail..
JLH, before this season I said we should dump him if it wasn’t for his draftvalue.. after his return to hte endzone I mellowed a bit… still worried about him..
Now THAT is my opinions…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
“Kiffin (thankfully) doesn’t buy into the conspiracies that the NFL is out to get the Raiders.
He believes the Raiders need to develop a mental toughness to prevent penalties.”
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
1 NATION
RAIDER NATION
chill brethren we all want the team to win..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
With the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select: Usain “Lightning” Bolt, the Jamaican Sensation.
Al Davis comments: He is the classic Oakland Raider receiver. He can run really, really fast and his name sounds really, really fast. “Lightning” is much, much, faster sounding than Rocket or Jett.
“He will start off returning kicks and after receivers coach James Lofton teaches him how to run routes and catch a football, he will become our #1 receiver; ahead of Chris McFoy, Jonathon Holland, and Drisan James.”
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Vegas Raider..
I haven’t seen anybody blaming anybody, have you??
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
What it do 408?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
LMN, I stand corrected Bro no prob……
Not waring with you either cause the way I see it all of us are members of the NATION. We love this team to death and want them to succeed.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
LMN: I am blaming the receivers for not catching the ball, other posts are telling me I am wrong for that, thus placing the blame elsewhere
August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Believe it or not, I actually root for the Raiders. I just think it’s way past time for Al Davis to still be doing the GM job.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
# Thec Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
LMN, I stand corrected Bro no prob……
Not waring with you either cause the way I see it all of us are members of the NATION. We love this team to death and want them to succeed.
________________________________________
exactly! the only NATION to be world wide =)
they should trademark that..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas
Reading the heated discussions going on in here! WOW we do have passion! Now if we can just get the team to play with the fire that is in this blog we’d be set!!
Superbowl in 3 or less!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas, I am blaming whoever the ball is thown to. It hits your hands it should be a ctach. Thats what you get paid to do.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas…
yeah but you said the receivers was blaming the WR coach..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
.. I haven’t read anything like that..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
If only his “good friend” Bill Parcells would have taken the GM job.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!!!
hey nation if the new guy does good against the cards will yall get on the new guy wagon? Im so sick of Jano loosing games for us!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
# Raiderbaitor Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
With the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select: Usain “Lightning” Bolt, the Jamaican Sensation.
“He will start off returning kicks and after receivers coach James Lofton teaches him how to run routes and catch a football, he will become our #1 receiver; ahead of Chris McFoy, Jonathon Holland, and Drisan James.”
________________________________________
LOL good one =) I never heard about a first overall who returned kicks..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Thec: We are on the same page, better coaching wouldn’t hurt, but catch the damn ball!!
LMN: Didn’t mean the receivers were blaming Lofton, but other posts here were in essence calling Lofton out for our receivers poor showing so far. I am not saying he is a good or bad coach, time will tell, but professional WR dropping passes in 7 on 7 drills is unacceptable and, IMO, either the thrower or the catcher’s fault and that is it
August 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
You guys left keep holding it down. We all know there is only 1 true NATION and that is the……….
RAIDER NATION
Late
August 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Vegas..
okay, my bad, because if the receivers did that, they were entitled a whoopass on Uncle Als knee..
on a second thought, his knees can’t handle it, we let Knapp give them a whooping =)
August 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Detroit released Taye Biddle. Grab him. Can’t be worse than (insert name of Raider WR here) at catching the ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
I wouldn’t mess with Knapp, dude look fired up after Higgins ran the wrong route the other day vs. Tenn
August 20th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Taye Biddle….hmmmm never heard of him but I’ll take him!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
408: You know the Raiders are 2-0 against the spread this preseason and I am going to be on them again Sat. Only laying 3 points, not a problem the Raiders are the kings of the preseason bet
August 20th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
if we could have given Boldin that Walker money none of this would be happening and can we dump higgins already? dude cant even run a rout
August 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
And I’m on board for the Aaron Elling era to begin
August 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Marcus Pollard got cut. We can move him to WR and insist it was his “natural” position all along. “He played WR when he was 8 years old on the street in front of his house and looked like a freak.”
Taye Biddle 3 catches 37 yards last year in just 2 games.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Vegas
though about ur last bet after the loss even posted @ least Vegas won with his 4 points! Good luck my man!! Did you happen to catch the cards chefs game?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
LMN #182
Most fast receivers can also catch a football. Why can’t the Raiders draft one that can do it?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Marcus Pollard can catch
August 20th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Raiders minus 3 at home against the Cards with Wheinart starting? I’m in!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
408,
Caught a little of it, chiefs are going to blow this year. I’m out, have to go physically remove my wife from the slots
August 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Watching Hawkins play for Tenn last week and knowing we passed - ahhh what if?
How many 4th rd picks did we have before he was taken? Sheilds and Branch?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The Raiders drafted Bum Knee Shields with the pick immediately before Hawkins. Although Hawkins played 20 minutes away at Cal, Al Davis “found” Shields playing 3000 miles away for the Richmond (Virginia) Spiders. I think they are an Arena Football League Team.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell,
RE: post 150
I was actually contemplating the Walker + Fargas combo, but don’t know how interested they would be in that deal. Both would come with a big cap hit, while boldin would come with a maller hit to us.
Thanks to the bloated deal that Javon got, kinda makes it hard to trade him without him agreeing to restructure.
I’m affraid that they would probably as us for players such as Nnamdi, Kirk and Fargas.
I would ne willing to part with Fargas and maybe a 2nd and 3rd (we seem to screw up the 3rd pick often anyways) round pick, but nothing more.
Before the preseason WR struggles, I wasn’t too concern with Javon, but now that I hear every other reciever is dropping everything he is even more of a liability.
Freaken mental cases!
I really hope the running game and tight ends can carry the O enough for some of these overpaid kids picks up the slack.
Atleast we know that with us running a lot, it limits the chances of Harris missing a tackle and Russell getting tagged for an injury.
God, I can’t wait for the season to start. This game against the Cards will be nice to see. Time to test the pass D some. It will be nice to see the starters for more than a few series. we know those WRs sure need the pactice. maybe Javon will wake up by playing more than 12 snaps a game.
GOOOOO RAIDERS!!!!!!! I want to drink the kool-aid, but it smells a little funky.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
http://www.asylum.com/2008/08/08/bia-and-branca-feres-make-synchronized-swimming-hot/
clearly the best two athletes available…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
RaiderMight,
I’m not very good at the cap figures and such, but I would think Javon would have to go somehow. I can’t see Al paying him & Boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
al… baby…
next time Javon “Champagne” Walker talks about retiring…
have the papers ready…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
RaiderMight..
I said a few days ago..
a 4th, Walker and Fargs = Boldin..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I would be for walker,fargas and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for boldin. Just don’t think that anyone will be touching Walker other than us for a long time. His head is not on straight. Al should have just let him walk when he wanted to, and that would have freed up some money.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Fargas+JLH+Shields+McFoy+D.James for Boldin and J.J. Arrington.
Raiders get one really good receiver for 4 really crappy ones.
Arrington hasn’t done much running the ball behind the Cardinal’s crappy O-lines. He will do much better here. He can also return kicks. Had a 76 yard return last week.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I’m so tire of scholarship Seabass. His “production” numbers are there, but his biggest misses have been from distances other kickers wouldn’t have made either.
What annoys me is that since he was drafted, coaches have seen him make these long attempts in practice and preseason, so come the regular season, they have the false confidance that he can make them: partly because of his draft hype. “these are the kicks we brought him in to do.”
Well he has a very low percentage of making them, but they keep trusting in him. Ellings can make the simple ones and even 56+ yarder ones (titans game) in practise and preseason. But, I bet you the coaches would be trying a lot less miracle attempts with him.
Sure with Ellings we miss the leg, but he’s shown he can make the higher percentage attempts. For less money.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Yo Raider Might I saw you @ the other blog… I would be into trading Fargas but only for Boldin.. Nobody wants Walker tho
August 20th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Thec Says:
April 27th, 2008 at 9:16 am
So that leaves us with 1 pick. So we are set until FA/cut time. Nice
pickup lavelle hawkins, and justin forsett.
Hell justin forsett could run back kicks.
I took a lot of heat from the “Blog Pros” when i said we should draft Hawkins… Seems like some of you “pros” dont know jack.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
If Boldin forces the issue in AZ, the Cards would need to replace him. I don’t know how they are at RB, but Walker + tempting bait might get it done
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
FL Pete..
oh my, those were shaped by the Gods..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
yup…
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!!
i just likev saying that
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
AZ has edgerin james
August 20th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Sup Thec?
r you down with the new guy?
August 20th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I out for good this time….
1 NATION ……Raider NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Thec
Don’t forget they drafted Hightower, and have JJ arington too
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Figures were posted in here yesterday about Jano’s production, indicating he’s above average. Maybe, but I definately don’t trust him in the clutch.
He hits the goalposts more than any kicker I’ve ever seen.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I agree, the salary for Javon and Boldin couldn’t exist on a team. That’s why I think Javon and Fitzgerald wouldn’t work either.
I think that the decision not to let Javon walk was made by Al not wanting him to go to another team and pull a Randy Moss. If Javon offered the sining bonus back and Al took it, the contract would be voided and he could unretire and go to another team.
If that was mem I would have let him go regardless. even if you try to keep players from teams they still end up there sooner or later. Look at LaMont.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
408, I like what the new guy brings. Not sure if he will stick…. Looks like a good pickup, ish he was here at camp to increase the competition.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Good point LMN, I like JJ Arington…
August 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Gotta go guys
Be good folks
1 NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell..
Jano is JUST above avg, we dumped Joe Nedney who has been far better than Jano in the same period..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Thec..
you gonna love Hightower too, they got their Michael Bush/LenDale White in him.. Only they got him in the 5th round..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Boldin is pushing the issue. From the things that I have read, neither party is willing to budge on contract negotiations or a trade.
Love to make a trade for him to replace Walker, jsut don’t think anyone would be willing to Walker off of our hands.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
I just don’t trust Jano anymore. There is no other player that makes me cringe at the fact that the game depends on them.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
we have a golden opportunity to show Walker to ARI and baiting them for a trade.. we gonna play them next..
we (and our Run-D) gonna get a taste of Tim Hightower too..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice for the teams to meet on Saturday and say. clean trade? Done!
August 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
No doubt, Nedney has been a better kicker in the interim. Al thought he was getting a freak, (he loves freaks) No way he’d admit that mistake.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
The Cardinals might take Walker….plus about 10 million dollars and a 1st round draft pick.
Walkers salary is about 5 million dollars. You don’t think they know he has stunk in practice and games and thought about retiring? They would want a retirement protection clause in the trade agreement.
Better pray that Kiff keeps riding and calling out Walker and that he stinks it up in the next game. Maybe he will be frustrated and embarrassed and will actually retire.
Fargas is the Raiders only real trade bait.