Bush seeing time at fullback
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, August 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Monday’s practice and press availability at Raiders’ camp:
– With Oren O’Neal on injured reserve and waiver claim Luke Lawton yet to arrive, running back Michael Bush got in some reps at fullback. Bush said he saw it as an opportunity to get on the field and was willing to do what it took to help the team, but it’s fair to say he wasn’t exactly jumping for joy about the news.
“I’ve always been a team player, too, so it’s one of those things, you just suck it up, go about your business and try to have some fun with it,” Bush said.
Bush has fullback size at 245- to 250 pounds, and has the requisite receiving skills to be a weapon out of the backfield. But his blocking remains a work in progress _ he was a quarterback in high school and usually had the ball in his hands in college at Louisville _ and fullbacks with the Raiders seldom carry the ball from scrimmage.
“I’ve never played it before, but a player has to adjust and do what you’re coached,” Bush said.“I’m still waiting for my chance to carry the ball, as well. The more I can do the better, be a versatile player. So, that’s a good thing.”
If the Raiders are serious about Bush playing fullback along with Justin Griffith, it could mean Lawton’s time with the Raiders will be short. If it isn’t working out or Bush’s services are required as a running back due to attrition, they could always add another fullback at a later date.
– Marviel Underwood, the San Leandro High product who joined the Raiders Monday, and Nate Lyles, a safety from Virginia also signed, got plenty of work in the secondary and will play plenty against Seattle Friday night.
The injuries to O’Neal and Drew Carter have Kiffin thinking about emptying his bench before the game even starts. Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and safeties Michael Huff and Rashad Baker all missed practice with ankle injuries and probably won’t face the Seahawks.
“For one series of work, I don’t see where that’s really worth the benefit of going out there,” Kiffin said.
– Defensive end Jay Richardson had a 105 degree temperature and did not practice. Kiffin said the medical staff was considering taking him to the hospital.
– Wide receiver Arman Shields, who hadn’t practiced since the first week of August, participated in drills and some team sessions, Kiffin said.
Kiffin said the Raiders will be watching his recovery closely Tuesday and acknowledged it will tough for Shields to make up for all the time he missed in terms of making the 53-man roster.
Shields is carefully filtering out all negative vibes.
“I’m in a positive situation. I have positive teammates that support me, they’re not negative,” Shields said. “I have a positive core group of wide receivers. All they do is support me. My coaches really support us so when you’re in that surrounding with supportive people, you’re not going to get frustrated. You’re going to find ways to get better and overcome that adversity.”
– Monday’s transactions left the Raiders with 77 players, meaning two more players will be released Tuesday.
– Jarrod Cooper’s exit is being characterized as a “retirement.” Kiffin said Cooper’s speed had not totally returned since his last surgery, and that the safety/special teams player decided to call it quits after a seven-year career.
“Whether we would have released him or not, that is really irrelevant,” Kiffin said. “He came in and was just done playing and wanted to retire.”
Fellow core special teams player Isaiah Ekejiuba said Cooper told him Monday morning he was going to talk to Kiffin about retiring. Ekejiuba figured Cooper was joking.
“I didn’t take him serious for a minute. I mean, it’s Coop,” Ekejiuba said. “He said it with a sly smile of his face, so I played it off, he went up stairs and said `I talked to Kiff,’ and Kiff made the announcement. Came as a shock really. It’s hard to lose somebody like that.”
Ekejiuba said Cooper had relayed doubts about his speed in recent days and that he had pain in his knee.
“When your body says it’s time, it’s time,” Ekejiuba said.
– Cooper’s exit was hastened by the development of fourth-round draft pick Tyvon Branch.
“He’s had a rep that’s looked like a Pro Bowl gunner, a guy who looks like a legitimate special teams Pro Bowler,” Kiffin said. “If he can carry that over, he can be a dynamic special teams player for us.”
– Monday’s roster additions included no wide receivers, with Kiffin hinting it was a matter that was out of his hands.
“I’m sure our personnel department will find us a wide receiver, add it to our group and we’ll see how far we can take him,” Kiffin said.
A possible mitigating factor on adding a veteran receiver before the regular season begins _ any vested veteran on the roster in Week 1 is guaranteed his entire salary. That means if you sign Joe Horn or Koren Robinson, you’d better be sure they’re good enough and healthy enough and problem-free enough to stick for the entire season.
– Kiffin said a starting regular season center could be named today.
– The Raiders closed practice to the media after warmups and drills as workouts included not only review of the Seattle game, but preparations for the Sept. 8 season opener against Denver.
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August 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Guys writing checks with their mouths, that the Raiderz assz can’t cash.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
why do people think they are cool when they talk about smoking cronic? why brag? brag about doing hard drugs like meth or coke or don’t brag at all.say something like i snort an 8ball a day. the only people that brag about weed are high school kids. sorry but i am not impressed
August 25th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I’m not sure bush has what it takes at FB
August 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Hell yeah BUSH.. I love BUSH…. KK sup brethren why cant we just disagree…. are you the only person in here who has a rite to an opnion? Sheeze
August 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
4th
August 25th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Newberry has a fumble for the Chargers. Must’ve snapped another shotgun snap up his butt again.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
some people are “professional bloggers” , some people are ” professional trolls” , some are both….
August 25th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Bush is awesome!
August 25th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Post 6 ROFLMAO….
August 25th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
hey dis-charger fan, you guys gonna win 10 games this year……..
August 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
charlie frye is the 3rd string qb playing against dis-charger first team d….. dis-charger 1st team d is garbage without fairyman, and williams
August 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
watching the charger game here in san diego and i can’t say i am impressed with their offense or defense especially the secondary it looks awful. frye out of all washed up quarterbacks is having a great game against their first team.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
hey “professional troll” your first team d is garbage hahahahaha laughing at ya…
August 25th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
the only cagado that is playing good is sproles
August 25th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I would sure hate to see Bush’s talents wasted at FB. But if you’re gonna waste JaMarcus Russells talents on a dump off offense, anything is possible.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
KK, since you got it all wired why dont you apply for a job in alameda…… LOL
August 25th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
and ferriman is an idiot, i hope he does decide to play since his career will most likely be ended by our cut blocking oline or the donkeys oline. maybe they forgot that he will have to play at least 4 games this season against cut blocking teams and probably more but i don’t want to look them up.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
fake kk, you want to see him in a dis-charger uniform???? chocolate rain guy????? funny i am cracking up at you
August 25th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
IM gone Ill be back tho
Thec hold it down bro!!!
KK stop hateing please!!!!
August 25th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
SD’s D has been bad this preseason. Not sure that it’s anything to get excited about because it IS preseason, but they have looked lackluster thus far.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
They are a diffrent team with out ferryman, and they just signed his backup to a 4 year contract. ferryman is done in san diego……
that just insured they wont be in the SB with there bacvkup QB rivers…..hahahahahahaa
What up chocolate rain guy????
August 25th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Until we can get WRs that can consistently get open and actually CATCH the ball, then the dump off to the backs, or the 10-15 yard curl over the middle to Miller is all we’re going to see.
Heck, as long as we move the chains and score, it’ll be an improvement over last year–and don’t get me started on the “bed and breakfast” game plan of 2 years ago…
August 25th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Bush at FB part-time is OK, IMO this is our most complete RB and I just don’t want him screwed up but in that set with either Fargas or DMC it would give us a dangerous combo. Fargas would block for Bush as well I’m not real sure about DMC.
Hopefully Shields can play in the final dress rehearsal, coaches need to see whay the kids got against another team.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
i can’t stand rivers someone on the seacocks team needs to go after his bum knee.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Fake KoolKell is stupid.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
bush is way too talented to play at fullback, it would be a mistake to put him there in a game.
just wait on a receiver - someone will get cut next week that is worth adding to the team.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
I am excited becuase they are playing everyone except williams merriman is finished, and williams wont make it to game 4. we have been watching 1st team team. Our 1st team D has looked way better, and we got injuries.
So am i excited hell yeah…. wysiwyg
August 25th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
KK
You complain about Al Davis, you complain about Lane Kiffin, you just said you will gloat if the Raiders lose because of what some people say on this blog.
Lighten up old man, you keep that up and soon you won´t even enjoy a win anymore.
Just some friendly advice, hope you don´t mind.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
BHP, will we see shields?
August 25th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
marley, Bro that is a “professional troll” not kk.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Did I miss Kiff’s pizza party this year?
Just Win Baby.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
KK I have to agree on Bush
August 25th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
bush is not a good fit at fb, he is big physically but he doesn’t play big. griffith will do fine, if you guys didn’t know griffith was part of that falcon team that put up over 2,000 yards rushing not too long ago. oo will be missed because he is what the raiders of the olden days were known for and that is being physical and smashmouth.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
griffith is a perfect fit for the type of blocking scheme we run, no need to worry about the loss of OO.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Hey why not go after Owen Schmidt if the Hawks cut him. They are not going to keep 4 fullbacks and Schmidt is a sledgehammer.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
NoLuv4Hoes: I agree that Griffith will do fine. He’s a good blocking fullback and a great pass catcher. But he’s not the blocking beast that Oren was/is. I hope he returns to full health for next year.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I certainly hope so Thec, and I’m sure he hopes so.
I know I’ve said it before, but this kid is very talented and we need him. He can help us this year.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Raider Nation from what I am seeing from the dis-chargers we should have a field with our running game.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Better to go with a BIG than have players out of position. Bush on a FB dive would be dangerous, as would a dump off out of a Bootleg. It’s a nice way of getting Bush on the field. As long as Bush is never listed as a FB or sees time as a lead blocker, I’m fine with it, as long as it’s simply a way to get McFadden and Bush on the field at the same time. Our offense is centered on the I so it would be an anomally to see a Splitback with both backs. More isolation running and cutbacks than drive blocking. It can definitely work, under the right circumstances.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Bob Marley,
Yes I complain about everything, I worry about everything, WE’VE WON ONLY 19 OUT OF OUR LAST 80 GAMES. What is there to talk sheit about???????????????????????????????
August 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Thec, Marley knows my voice, mind your own business.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
darth dont get me wrong i love the way oo plays ball but it is not that hard to find fullbacks in this league. they really don’t need to do much but pick up the blitz and open up holes. I hope OO’s career isn’t over, from what i read the guy gave back to the community and is a very dedicated football player. god works in mysterious ways if you believe in that kind of stuff.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Nation is there any chance that Rookie Wr Chaz Schilens can make the 53 man roster with D. Carter out for the season?
August 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
No chance the hawks cut schmitt. He IS a hammer but is also productive on offense. Holmgren likes him a lot according to the announcers. No chance he is cut.
To Tommy T’s point, just having Bush on the field with DMAC will be fine as long as the plays called are counters and cutbacks as he said. Keeping the front seven is the name of the game, especially when teams no we want to run. Why not make them guess which direction. I think Oren is 100% better than Bush in regards to blocking between the tackles, but a cutback only requires a chip which a relatively fast 250 pounder should be able to do. The RB who will really miss OO is Fargas. He makes his leaving getting to the LOS and pounding out a few yards.
Not great news but it works fine for now.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
good point ttrojan, if they use bush and mcfadden in the same backfield it will cause mismatches as long as bush isn’t a lead blocker
August 25th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I think Bush working out at FB is a good thing as he will get on the field. Griffith will be the starter and play a lot, but Bush could get some reps and if he does become our goaline and short yardage guy having him line up as a FB isn’t such a bad thing. The more guys that you have that can do multiple things the better. That is why special teams players like Ekejiuba even make the team. Bush could be a good lead blocker with his size and he knows how to hit a hole obviously. I think where he’d struggle is in blitz pickup, which is where he still lacks skill as a RB.
Koren Robinson would be a good pickup because he could also return kicks.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
KK, again if you owned this blog i would have respect for you and listen…. I wouldnt listen to you either way BRO…… I laugh at guys like you professional blogger types….
August 25th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Thec,thats the problem in here,one never is SURE who they are responding to,the trolls are here every day.In my opinion,Jerry needs to tighten the ship/register all
August 25th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
For those who suggested Cook, from the Texans because he has ZBS experience, we’re not looking for a cut blocking FB. We have that in Griffith. We’re looking for a power blocker to compliment our system rather than fit into it. For the plays where the opponent knows we are running and we remain intent on running, we need a power guy. The zone system is used to get defenders out of position and off balance by putting them in space with multiple running lanes. When the defenders are off balance, that’s when you want to hit them in the mouth with a lead blocker like O’Neal. O’Neal was great late in the game. Bush is a nice wrinkle at FB because it isolates a great athlete at a position that is often overlooked. Late in games, we need a power blocker who can bowl over LBs in space. Griffith can handle blitz pickups, catch passes, and cut block. He’s one pof the better FBs in the NFL. Late in the game, I would be completely fine with putting in a blocking TE like Wakefield as a lead blocker, or even an athletic lineman like Henderson, who, while deficient as a pass blocker, is great in space and is a better athlete than some FBs. Our tall RBs should still have little problem seeing. O’Neal brought an element to our offense that will take some creativity to restore, but it can be done as is. Of course, if a lead blocker comes available, we should look at him.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
KK, He knows your voice?????? Man thats some strange ish last time i checked oe typed….. He know my voice, GOD complex? ROFLMAO you must be a “somebody” on this blog……
August 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
No Ice. Chaz looks waaaaay too raw and tentative out there. I’m actually a little disappointed in what Schilens has looked like.
On Another note tho, I thought that kid Hightower that the “fartin holes” ran out looked good. Shields was a team mate of his, so maybe Shields has a future here!!
August 25th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
did anyone see newberry try to shove the ball up his own a$s? well it didn’t fit and it ended up on the floor, ky newberry ky. lol
August 25th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I hope Schilens does make the final 53. Yeah, the odds aren’t good when it comes to rookie WR’s making an immediate impact. But at least he’s long and fast and has shown the ability to go up and get it. Give him a chance. Just having him on the field will open up opportunities for Curry.
If the debate is Watkins or Schilens, I say Schilens. We know Watkins has had chances in this league and hasn’t produced. Might as well give Schilens the same chance. He’s shown enough in pre-season to merrit an extended look.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
merrymans backup tucker just went down with an injury….. Those of you who have the dis-chargers winning that included you too kk chocolate rain guy need to resync.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Well Thec, I think you’re a fool too, so what?
August 25th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
charlie frye a 3rd string qb is discecting the dis-chasrgers no 1 d……. rofl
August 25th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Zach Miller gets 85 or more catches if he stays healthy.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Nice try KK, you are a fool as well and..
August 25th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
KK, :professional blogger” hahahaha again i laugh at your type Bro!!!!!!
August 25th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
yup tucker is hurt and he just signed a big contract with the cagadores. hope its serious
August 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Al should call Shell and thank him for not drafting Leinert, since he blamed Shell for not taking him…Man up!
August 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Actually #49 is exactly right. Nice job Tommy.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
KK trol whoever you are you complain so why dont you get a job for the riaders troll, or whatever you are…..I know this your schtick is funny…..
August 25th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
KK, or troll or who ever his is a well respected memeber of this blog ROFLMAO you are cracking me up.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I love the idea of having bush as a full back, he reminds me alot of tom rathman from the 49ers back in their hey day.he can run the ball good and can catch out of th eback field..I say use bush unless we can find a better option after all the final cuts…as far as a wr.I am sure we will find a good replacement soon..lets wait unitl the final cuts and see what is avaialabl, eif nothing good is free well then lets shoot for horn or robinson..
August 25th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Well Thec, I think you’re a fool too, so what?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA tooooo funnny
August 25th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thec,
Why don’t you kiss my assz, and leave me alone? I’ve got no use for you right now, ok?
August 25th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Oakglenn I know that a rookie Wr is raw but if he is our fifth Wr he will not play much and could get experience in practices. He has been better then the injury prone Arman Shields who Kiffin was excited about. They both have very good size so I would like to see both atleast make the practice squad.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Charlie Frye the pro bowler. lmao.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Anyway NATION i am out you guys take care, watch out for those trolls and fake bloggers lol
August 25th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I dont think the sobs are funny,post under youre handle or get out,cs trolls
August 25th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
plus not many teams keep two fb’s on the roster. no need to worry, it makes more room for more fa’s for our oline wr lbs safetys cb
August 25th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Mike Bush as a full back. I gotta be honest with you all, it has some promise but overall he’s waaaay too valuable to use as a lead blocker. I like Tommy Trojans idea of having Wakefield as an H back or Mario Henderson as a lead blocker. Sweeet.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
WR depth is not a big problem as we will only very rarely have 3 WRs on the field.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
KK faker drone, didnt you mean to say hey Thec tell me who my azz taste? hahahahaha. see whats makes you so funny is you are a mindless dupe. Your mind is being controlled and you have no idea by how or who. I know i am right about you sybil……. you are a funny little man if you are a man at all….. every time you post chocolate rain ” I know your voice” ROFLMFAO…..
you are tooooo funny
August 25th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Oakglenn Wakefield has already learned 4 postion would a 5th be good for him or would it hurt him in the fact that they al have different responsablity’s. Mario henderson could work cause he is not doing well at OT.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Thec,
Why don’t you kiss my assz, and leave me alone? I’ve got no use for you right now, ok?
You sound like a little B!Tch
Leave me alone……..hahahahahhahaha
You mindless dupe….
August 25th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Had my fun with the troll or whoever now I am really out ltr NATION
August 25th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
A 250lb RB running behind a 300lb FB would be scary in the 4th quarter, or any quarter……..
August 25th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Exactly Ice. Mario Henderson just looks like an athlete out there. Maybe he could be a crushing blocker. Offensive linemen normally like that. Especially late in games!
August 25th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Henderson saw some time at TE on Friday, so it’s not as if the coaching staff is against experimenting with his athleticism.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Some info on that new guy Nate Lyles, from his Pre-Draft Profile:
BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who posted 68 tackles and broke up two passes as a senior after 46/1/3 the previous year.
POSITIVES: Tough run-defending safety who is at his best in the box. Quick up the field, displays a straight-line burst of speed, and chases hard to get involved in the action. Displays good awareness and above-average instincts.
NEGATIVES: Lacks top ball skills and sideline-to-sideline range. Does not consistently play under control.
ANALYSIS: Lyles has marginal size, yet he displays the toughness and wherewithal to be used in a zone system. He also has a special teams mentality, which could help him make it at the next level.
From his Pro Day:
Lyles, a safety, sparkled in the vertical leap (36 inches), the bench press (22 reps with 225 pounds) and the 40-yard dash (4.48 and 4.42).
“He was awesome,” (Chris) Long said. “That was Nate. We’re not surprised. I’m glad he got to show his stuff. As good as he might work out, he’s a better teammate and just a tough, tough kid.”
- Real longshot, he was already cut once,from NYJ Camp because they brought Ahmad Carroll for a shot.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
3 preseason games. How many TouchDowns have the Raiders scored?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Oakglenn I totally agree he is a very impressive athlete and it would be worth taking the chance to find out.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Played at Virginia, is 5′10 205.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
lets not forget that griffin is th estarting full back, so using bush as a back up opens up alot, yes hewould be required to block some, but he would also be available for check down passes, as well as quick hand offs.Just think if we handed the ball to bush instead of oneal in the titans preseason game, we probably would of scored…personally I would love to see bush on the field whenever we could use him..he would be a big assest..let griff do the majority of the blocking like he did when he was in atlanta, and let bush be more of a recieving/running full back…
as far as wr no tbeing a problem, well I disagree all we have now is walker and curyy..so yes we need at least one more proven reciever
August 25th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Why not Ice? Tommy brought this up, it makes me feel good that the coaches are experimenting with getting guys on the field. Jesus, even the starting defense played the Tampa 2 for a couple of plays last game. Hilarious.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Oakglenn Why not? I was Agreeing with you and think we should try it.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
How many TouchDowns have the Raiders scored?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Bush @ full back… told yall… Bush, Fargas and DMC spread out… all at once
August 25th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
thec,cmon back,now
August 25th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Who should I visit next?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
How many yards did the Raiders give up on the ground Sat Nite?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I was agreeing with you as well Ice.
Using Mike in practice until someone gets up to speed would be a really good idea. Mike is a real smart guy and it just gives him a better grasp of what is going on out there. Using Mike as a lead blocker??? I think we could get someone else and utilize Mikes talents better.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
two tight ends, i formation, bush then goes to slot… hand off to bush, pitch to bush, play action fake to miller, play action fake to walker (deep) w/TEs staying in, deep to bush down the middle, screen to bush, a lot of results from one formation.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
post89,how many idiots does it take to screw up this blog
August 25th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Listening to Phillip Rivers talk does anyone else get the impression this guy is a p-u-s-s puss.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Oakglenn how do you think we should bring in at WR that can help us or should we wait and see who gets cut from other teams?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
1st!?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
jim(ct) seems youre fond of bush
August 25th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Bengals shopping Rudi Johnson for a legit(whatever that means) WR…
With other teams looking for WRs, it will be hard for the Raiders to pick someone up.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Dean, how am I screwing up this blog, and why the name-calling? I don’t think I’ve seen your moniker before
August 25th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Phillip Rivers is all mouth
August 25th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
3 pre-season games, how many Touchdowns?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
UnKoolKell your therapist hasn’t prescribed you any more anti-depressants and your hemorrhoid has flared up again and all of us have to hear spewing negativity because your such unhappy piece of crap about your pathetic life.
Shut up already your senseless banter is wearing on all of us.
It’s like a broken record, why don’t you act your age for once you sound like a pissed off 20 year old virgin.
and this guy “NoLuv4Hoes”
what the hell kind of screen name is that, I mean seriously if you take it up the rump ever day by big greasy hairy men I can understand you hating women and wanting to broadcast it in here. Otherwise there is no explanation for such a gay moniker.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Shields is our guy! He is the truth, I can’t wait to see him in action against the Seahawks. It’s unfortunate that he bumped knees in practice with a CB which caused him to sit out so long, but if that never happened Shields would be a weekly highlight reel. Raider fans get your popcorn ready!!!! He’s baacccccckkk!!!!!
August 25th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Dakota Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
I agree with Terp, keep Michael Bush away from FB.
We want to keep this kid long-term and the second we move him to FB his mind will be made up not to re-sign with us. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Michael Bush only under contract for this season? If we want to keep him as a Raider, we will need to feed him the ball at HB a few times a game and find a way to move Fargas after this season. Michael Bush is the real deal, and we need to secure him long-term and moving him to FB will guarantee his departure in my opinion. The dude has always been THE MAN and now we are asking him to be a 3rd string RB, and he might handle that for one season, but I doubt he would embrace a move to the inglorious position of FB.
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“I’ve always been a team player, too, so it’s one of those things, you just suck it up, go about your business and try to have some fun with it,” Bush said.
See what I mean? No way Bush sticks around if we try to turn him into a FB. Would you accept the cut in potential pay by allowing yourself to be converted to a FB? No one in their right mind would accept that. Bush was already pissed about not being activated last year…
August 25th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Oh No …those comments from Bush telegraphed his enthusiasm for this idea …don’t do this to the poor boy Kiff ..he’s been through enough already. Now you want to give him reps at FB? Say its only temporary until you fly the new FB in.
Like I said before. Kiffin better be doing this only if he intends on running Pro-Sets or something using some trickery with both DMC & Bush in the backfield. Otherwise, I don’t think its the wisest of ideas. But we’ll just have to wait it out and see what comes of it.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Gil: Yes i am!
i guess i did forget about McFadden getting the ball out of the “i” didnt I? oops.. add him in there.
Bush can go out to the slot as well
August 25th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Holmgren looks like a Walrus out there!!
August 25th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Ice I think there are going to be some PLAYAS in final cut downs that can help us win!! There always are. Remember when we picked up Andre Rison for nothing many years ago, and he had a good year for us??
Maybe Gruden goes younger and Ike Hilliard doesn’t make it, or Bellichik goes with vets and Chad jackson in New England gets cut. Good players that just don’t fit at the time.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Nice to hear that Cooper may stick around.
Kiffin: “He’s a really neat guy who has done a lot of things here, has a lot of relationships with a lot of the players here.
It maybe even something that we keep him involved during the season, coming in on Wednesdays during the special teams meetings, being around the guys and working with the young guys as well.”
Kiffin on Branch:
“Every time Tyvon has a chance to do something on special teams he’s looked great. He just looks faster than everybody else out there. That’s a credit to him. That’s not just speed, it’s the way he plays and how hard he plays. The play the other night was as good as it gets.”
August 25th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
How many TD’s in 3 pre-season games?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I love it! You guys spent all day talking about how the EXHIBITION games count for jack, but you jump all over SD’s shaky performance, lol.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Bob,
How many TD’s in 3 preseason games?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Watch the waiver wire out of Cleveland. That team is PACKED with WR’s and they’re not gonna keep 11 WR’s.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Oakglenn I hope we can get a good one and not an Injury prone player.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
You guys are going to figure it out half way through the season how great of a blocker OO was and how much he played a part in our being 5th in the league in rushing last year. The guy was an excellent blocker and paved the way for many of Fargus’s yards last year. Griffin will do a good job but we need another FB or we will lose him. This will definitely effect our running game!
Thats why Kiffin is so pisswd about that injury and I don’t blame him. The one good thing we had to build on from last year was our ability to run the ball.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Kool Kell when we beat the lame Whiners in the first preseason game, weren’t you in here saying how nothing matters-it’s the preseason???
August 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
How many TD’s in 3 games???????
August 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
KoolKell
How many TD passes did JR throw on Saturday night when Kiffin did what you have always advised him to do. Air it out!
How well did the passing game look?
Now are you seriously going to sit in here and tell all of us repeatedly how we need to let JR throw the ball deep all game.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Ice there are guys that just either slip thru the cracks or are not system fits, or a team just wants to go in another direction. Nothing wrong with the player. The good news as I always say is WR is probably the easiest position to fill with studs. There are going to be players out there for us!! Having an absolute stud at QB will also attract any potential FA’s that get released.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
someone please explain to the folks,its PRE SEASON,its not baseball!
August 25th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
rudy johnson is officially being offered as bait for a “legitimate reciever” per cincinatti….hmmm where do you think boldin is going? 2nd round pick…. Carson Palmer
August 25th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Oakglenn that is what we need a great stud at WR because if J Walker can’t step it up and play like the coaches thought he could. We will only have one Wr in R Curry and he is our key 3rd down Wr. So lets beleive our team can get what we need.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
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August 25th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Hopefully Shields suits and doesn’t have too much rust on him …Kiffin needs to go directly at him to see what he’s got just like he had plays set up for Walker
…and hopefully Branch gets that cast off so he can return Kicks. We need to see what we’ve got there too.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
kk 3 maybe two. whats your point
August 25th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I like having Bush on the field as fb. It gets more play makers out there. He would be nice on a bootleg. He will not be asked to be a oren oneal lorenzo oneal type.
he justs allows the Raiders to expand the versatility of the current packages.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Dick V,
Thanks I was guessing 3. My point is simple. I see the same team as last year. Can’t score, can’t force teams to pass, our strength. Can’t score points, can’t win. Probably can’t stop the run either.
How many yards did they give up on the ground Sat Nite.
And people are telling me not to worry.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Exactly how has Jamarcus Russell, in one regular season game and parts of three pre-season games PROVEN himself to be a Stud that receivers are droolng to play with?
August 25th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I don’t know man …if I were Bush I’ll have to seriously ponder suing the organization for grouse mismanagement of its players …putting a talent like that at FB.
Micheal Bush: “Judge, I don’t know what to say. They took a potential Hiesman candidate at RB and tried to convert me to FB. Judge, you tell me - what was I suppose to do?”
I bet his agent is on the phone right now trying to get him the hell outta here.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Imagine having micheal bush split out one on one with a lb and Dmac or fargas still in the backfield. When life gives you lemons, …. make some damn lemon aide and enjoy it, or cry and say that is why we are 19-61 over the past 5 yrs: worst in the league.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Guys who I might be looking to hit the wire in the next two weeks, Jerevicious, McCareins, Taylor Jacobs, James Thrash, Finneran, Muhammed. Guys we might be able to get one more productive year out of.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Sht…maybe we should made Moss a RB …that would’ve put the ball directly in his hands!
(I’m just having fun w/ it …we’ll see how it plays itself out)
August 25th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
btw: i meant deep to mcfadden.. having mcfadden go to the slot leaving bush alone in the backfield to run. too much bush on my mind! lol!
two tight ends power set and then move mcfadden to the slot.. or bush in motion (behind the TEs) and a pitch to mcfadden.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
No one is telling you not to worry. We’re just saying worry over there in the corner.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
he is 3rd string rb. would you rather have him on the side line. He hasn’t even played a meaningful game in two years. Why would he cry?, and if he does would listen besides Raider fans on this blog.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Jesus KK we’re hoisting a QB out there with one NFL start. One. That’s a letter N away from NONE. Charlie Frye has 19 starts for crissakes. And you are the only one whining. The rest of us can’t wait to play the games. Including the guy with one start.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
damn i know Niner fans and Bronco fans that are more optimistic than some of our very own. Its a damn shame.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Oakglenn, What do you mean letter N?
August 25th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Oneal will be missed more on special teams than in the backfield…
Look for us to run the pro formation with Fargas and Mcfadden or Bush and Mcfadden at times…
Used to run this with Bo and Marcus…
August 25th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
and i mean they are optimistic about the Raiders chances this season in some ways more than their own respected teams.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
All of you who are salivating over the possible return to action of receiver Arman Shields, keep in mind he comes to the NFL directly from the Richmond Spiders of the Colonial Football Conference. The CFC is home to great football powerhouses such as: Hofstra, Towson, Villanova, William and Mary, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Delaware…. Any defensive backs playing in the NFL from those teams? I kind of doubt it. LMFAO!
August 25th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
How many touchdowns have we scored this preseason????
August 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Once again, Bush took “a few snaps” at FB because the new guy was still on a plane or something.
My guess is that you will never see Bush as a lead blocker in a game, he may line up at FB in a few formations as an added wrinkle to the offense but that´s it.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
FB is all about 1 thing - attitude. Bush is not likely to be the guy and that’s fine. He’s going to get reps at HB in this running game.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Once again Bob Marley chimes in as the voice of reason with post 148.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Salty.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
How many touchdowns have we scored this preseason?
August 25th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Dan Dee, Terrel Owens, Tony Romo, Walter Payton and Jerry Rice all came from Div ii. What were you just saying???
August 25th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Who should the Raiders draft with their top-5 draft choice in 2009? Just wondering.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
So did Cromatie, Flacco, Leodis McElvin, all first round draft choices this year.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Oakglenn, How does Mcfadden feel about being red shirted this year by Kiffin?
August 25th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
3 Touchdowns in 3 games, yeah we’ll blow out the donks. out
Great speech by Michelle.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
And Mike Williams came from USC, so ya never know.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
COW…148.
“FB is about attitude”
Couldn´t agree more, Bush does not even seem to embrace the run between the tackles, “power” back role, which also requires a bruiser mentality.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
If another couple Raiders get injured, at least there will be an excuse for this season.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
we’ll get some more WR’s once they hit the wire.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
If everybody stuck to trying to make intelligent conversation about Raider football, and left out all the snarky remarks and personal attacks, the trolls might go away. This place is now like open-mike night at some comedy club.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
p.s.s the ONLY time I use Bush at FB is in Madden 09
August 25th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Oakglenn its time for Shields to step it up!!
The waiver wire will not be that full of WR’s
August 25th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
POST169,of whom,exactly shes a fraud,do some research,learn something!How many tds——-12 times,same question
August 25th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
666, keep an eye on Cleveland and Tampon Bay. They have plenty of guys and they can’t keep ‘em all.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
176, Trash.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I think your right about Cleavland I heard they had 10 or 11 Wr’s on their roster.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Hofstra: wayne chrebet.. i’ll take him!
August 25th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Madden,..didnt anything I said to you sink in?…I pop in here to spew my disgust at Kiffin and here you are still battling your demons in cyberspace,..dude, get a grip.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Same thing with Tampon Bay. Look at the New York Giant roster as well. they had a ton of guys hurt so backups got experience. David Tyree may not stick.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I think Bush is willing to do what it takes to get on the field.
I don’t think they’re looking for him to be the starting fullback, just someone who can come in in take some reps.
I figured he was itching for PT when I saw him covering kickoffs…
August 25th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I would think Bush would welcome the opportunity to get on the field. How many carries will he get splitting time with McFadden and fargas?
August 25th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Hell with snagging a bunch of wide outs,…the only chance at any success is running the ball,…dont pass more then 15 times a game,..not this year anyway,…if we dont lead the league in rushing this year its over….even if we do, best scenario is 8-8…keepin it real.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
There are bubble guys like Devin Ashomondu in Indy listed as their #5 WR who leads the team in preseason including a 94 yarder against Buffalo who may come on.
Simpson in Cincy is #6 on the depth chart and leads their WR’s.
Other team’s depth will mean opportunities for us at WR. Let’s face it. If our guys would be no better than #4-6 in Indy, that means Indys 4-6 would challenge to start here.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Well you guys Mike Bush is one of the most unselfish team guys you will ever see in sports so both 925 and Big Daddy you are completely right. He was a highly recruited QB out of high school but Bob Petrino had Brian Brohm so he told Mike to be a RB, and Mike did we Petrino wanted to get on the field and win.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
18-17
Good call Oak!
# Oakglenn Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Discharger game to start in about 45 minutes. Why do I smell Discharger bones about to break????
August 25th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
kk; is she now proud to be an american? Appearantly, she had to mend the fences between her hubby and hillary. Too much ego between them to do it themselves. How exactly is he going to reach across the aisle when there is difficulty reaching to the one next to you?
August 25th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
COW: it’s always the 4,5,6 receivers that lead preseason. Remember a couple (maybe a few more) we had a gentleman who led the NFL in preaseaon and he didn’t make the team. I’ll never forget the catch OVER the db in the endzone. He flipped over the db. I believe he ended up going to GB and then didn’t make it. He was good in preseason a couple years.. i can’t remember his name.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Well see. I think she’s “real american” enough.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Browns have a lot of WRs, but will most likely keep 5 or 6 on the Roster.
Very few vets will get cut…Maybe these guys?
1. Joe Jurevicius - 11 years
2. Efrem Hill - 2 years
Then they have…
1. Paul Hubbard - R 6th round pick
2. Steve Sanders - 1 year - undrafted FA
3. Syndric Steptoe - 1 year - 7th round pick (Possible)
4. Travis Wilson - 3 years - 3rd round pick (Possible)
If the browns keep 6 WR, then Steptoe and Wilson will make the team. If they keep 5, then 1 of them will be gone.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Jerevicious started 16 games for them last year on a high scoring offensive team. He could be a very good #3, move the chains, big red zone target for us.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
mods I always love that anyone can say anything to me, but you take down my posts.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Kind of disgusting isn’t it Oakglenn….makes you think maybe the mod is the troll!
August 25th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Re: 175 mistaclown must be a charger fan to go along with all his other redeeming qualities.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
interesting 666. I really do think that mistaclown is some kind of plant. No one could be that stupid really. It’s not possible. Someone must be making this guy up to humour me. Kind of like Ronald MacDonald or Crazy Crab.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Does anybody kno wwhat happened to terry glenn, is he injured or did dallas just cut him..Heck if he is healthy he would be a decent pick up..yes he i sold, but he does have a ton of experince..As far as the post 144 that bashed shields for being in a sad division, well I remember jerry rice went to a real small college as did walter payon and most recently marques colston, I think they all did pretty good, so dont bash a player cause of the league he is in..it has to do with the talent of the player not the talent of the opposing college teams..the late great gene upshaw went to texas a-I, heck lyle alzado never played colege ball he went to yankton and they did not have a football program, heck yankton, oh yea they always played in the powerhouse football state of noth dakota…so Moral of the story do not judge a player based on his college, if that is the case then we should of kept that all pro reciver mike williams cause he went to usc..oh wait he played alot of great programs and now where is he..CUT..I think I made my point
August 25th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Here is part of an article on the Browns…
Who’s No. 3? With Donté Stallworth set as a starter, and with Braylon Edwards, Joshua Cribbs and Joe Jurevicius all sidelined, there will be lots of passes available for Kevin Kasper, Travis Wilson, Steve Sanders, Syndric Steptoe, Paul Hubbard, Efrem Hill and Lance Leggett. No one has separated in the free-for-all for the No. 3 wideout role.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Kiffin´s main concern yesterday was the lack of game experience beyond Walker and Curry.
They could be looking at guys like Ernest Wilford in Miami and Marty Booker in Chicago to name a couple, I´ve read rumors that they might be cut, it remains to be seen if it´s true, but that´the kind of player we could use right now.
We don´t need other team´s developmental prospects, we already have our own….Everyone has guys like Watkins and Schilens, trading ours for someone else´s is a lateral move.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
lmao
# MR Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Oakglenn, How does Mcfadden feel about being red shirted this year by Kiffin?
August 25th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
The giants are also going to have to get rid of someone. David Tyree or Amani Toomer might be up on the wire.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
marcus knight is one of the perennial leaders (early 2000s).
August 25th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Mistabrown Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
OakGlenn, I didnt say cut Irons. Many in here have been calling for Irons to be cut not me!
Mistabrown Says:
August 25th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
OakGlenn, I didnt want to keep him he didnt play a down all pre season!
Here is clown contradicting himself earlier tonite. Note the time stamp. This guy makes a fool of himself in 6 minutes. You didn’t want to keep him, you didn’t want to cut him. Is this the vaunted middle ground you always talk about clown????? Maybe Irons can just levitate himself above the coliseum for all to see.
Nice to see brown likes the troll posts. What does that tell ya?? This guy is a certified moron.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
mistabrown joining up with MR. enuff said.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Jim,
That’s fine. The point remains. Our talent at that position is shallow enough that castoff players (like two guys named Javon Walker and Drew Carter) from deep teams can become starters here.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
How many TD’s in three games? None.
The games have not been played yet. Sometimes I’m amazed at the fragility expressed here. We showed our weakness, even stuck out our chin for the smash in the mouth (Kiffin’s advertisement to avoid the run), and we learned exactly what we already knew… we are a running team that will make its bread-n-butter passing game on the play action. Hell, sometimes when they stack 8 or (licking my chops) 9 in the box we’ll audible (JaMarcus has shown savvy here) and bust them up (even with wide receiver screens with #20 split out). We went mostly one-dimensional on Saturday. It was a “practice” game, and I think we learned a lot about our line, quarterback, receiver depth, and team timing. All have to improve. Let’s remember the tone of this blog once we complete week three.
Hey troll or KK alter, I’ll tell you how many TD’s after three games before we play the Chargers for the division lead.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
August 25th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I just want to if Shields has what I think he has, if so WR problem solved. I like the idea of:
Walker
Curry
Higgins
Shields
Watkins
and either Hollands or Schelins.
Ordinary to look at on paper, but if Shields can come in and get up to speed I think we’ll be OK
We’re not going to throw more than 10 to 15 passes to a wideout anyway. Not with this coach so why do we need them? The RB’s and TE’s will catch the majority of the passes. This is looking much like a pedestrian offense again.
I hate t say it but I agree with KK, this coach is very conservative. Randy Moss would’ve been a waste here, now I know why he never really reached out to
him.
He would much rather hit McFadden in the flat than Walker on a 9 route. It’s painfully obvious.
Sometimes I wonder what the experienced coaches really think of him privately.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
kk, you probably shouldn’t worry. The Raiders have made some marginal gains across every unit. They have added two more potential play makers on offense, and have one very solid qb calling shots in the huddle: first time since Gannon went down. For you to say this is the same team as last year, it shows how beaten down you are for all the loosing.
Russell vs mccown or dc - upgrade
Dmac, fargas, bush vs jordan, rhodes fargas - huge up grade
javon walker vs jerry porter - considerable up grad
d hall vs fabian - big up grade
got to play texas holdem i will continue later.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
check out this BS
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=972&rip_id=%3CD92PLSH88%40news.ap.org%3E&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS
August 25th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
COW: I totally agree. I just don’t want to get excited over pre-season stats of a 4,5,6 receiver. I always liked marcus knight. I still can’t remember the other gentleman.
What does cincy do with c/j if they acquire bolding for rudy johnson? is he part of the deal to get a pick or do they look to trade cj for a rb?
can;t have boldin, tj, and cj
August 25th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Pre-season or regular season at some point you neeed to let Russell loosen up his arm. What did we get this kid for when Josh McCown would’ve been fine for what we’re doing. lol
The mere fact that we haven’t thrown one pass over 25 yards tells me a lot. Yeah we did it in garbage time I mean with the starters,…zero.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
It’s really kind of sad that we are looking forward to getting some other team’s reject WR to complete our receiving corps. With only four days before our last pre-season game, how can we really get a guy in here and get him up to speed to play in that game? How can the coaches really evaluate a guy and feel confident about adding him to the roster in that short a time? Unless we are able to get a real veteran WR, I think we have to go with the best of who we already have.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
COW wasn’t Javon Walker a starter everywhere he played or is it just me?
August 25th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
What’s so awful about chucking the ball 40 yards downfield anyway? Balls can be intercepted on short routes too, as Lienart proved Saturday night. Better to have the ball intercepted 40 yards downfield than 10 yards….
August 25th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
925 If Big Al does get a bigtime WR, Kiffin better update the playbook because the one we’re using will get him fired. More accurately be more aggressive in his playcalling. All the flat routes and underneath stuff is driving me crazy. Yu have WR that have 4.3 speed and they’re running a bunch of stop patterns slants, outs and crosses. I’ve only seen a few digroutes to Watkins and Walker and one to Schelins other than it’s a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Why the hell do we need an all-star WR corp to do that?
August 25th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
To tell you the truth, I am interested in seeing which DT’s are let go, much more than WR’s and FB’s.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
bhp; he has a newcomer as qb. Do you remember Brady’s playbook his 2nd year when he won sb? all screens and short passes. Remember Wiggins (te) caught 12 dump passes in tuck game. Also, the little rb (who we picked up after that season) caught a bunch of screens. That’s all they did until WEis’ last year. Big Ben… ran and made short completions to ward. that’s how they won the bowl during big ben’s 2nd year. i don’t know any drop back qbs that won a bowl that young. marino is the only one i think of making it. Montana dumped to te and rbs.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
POST197, Perhaps our coaching staff isnt fully confident w/ the OL ps I believe JW has and will be a starter
August 25th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
i think your confusing sprinters with wr. rice was a slant man. didn’t catch many true bombs.. but a lot of yac on slants
August 25th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
there are valid points about not needing name receivers… montana’s first two bowl wins who was the wrs? i remember freddie solomon. Who were brady’s receivers his first two sb wins? i believe patton was the top one and the little guy (old now,, played defense).
August 25th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
You gotta have time to throw, and right now we don’t have enough. It will come, and I’m starting to believe JR might be the real deal and be the guy that will get it done.
Also, even if we’re not utilizing our receivers the way we should, the other team has to respect thier game. You’re right we don’t need all-stars, but we don’t need scrubs.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Troy Brown.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Jim,just made a final beer run,hopefully the Raiders open up the playbook ,big time,Sept8th! RAIDERS
August 25th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
BHP, still out there?
August 25th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
bush at fullback…RIDICULOUS!!!! sorry fellas, this isn’t tecmo bowl. bush IS NOT a FB. yes he’s big. yes he can catch. but you know what he can’t do(and what’s also a pre-req for playing FB in the NFL) BLOCK!!!! don’t get all juiced up about this. i’m sure he was taking reps due to the fact there’s only ONE OTHER fb on the roster
this is nearly as ridiculous as mario henderon playing TE. just because he looks the part, doesn’t mean he’s the man(despite what big al thinks). besides, raider fullbacks don’t get a lot of carries. i kinda thought most of us were in favor of bush getting some touches.
madden and fantasy ball have really warped some brains in here
August 25th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
It takes the same amount of time to throw 40 yards as it does to to go thru procession and dump it off.
It’s simple 5 step drop and release with the kind of speed we have. a stop pattern takes the same amount of time unless your coach doesn’t want it. Then yu do it under duress.
All you have to do is watch Farve throw deep in 2.5 seconds he’ll have a 40-50 yard gain. I do remember Brady throwing deep occasionally to loosen up the defense. That’s all I’m talkung about
If you throw deep 3 or 4 times a game that’s really all you need. That will get the respect of the defense.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Damn Cooper, your still the Man. Good luck dude
August 25th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I think the point was’nt that you can’t take a shot now and then. But if you wan’t a “deep game”, it takes more than chucking it down field. I know you realize that. Believe me, we will all be happy when our offense gets back to that level.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
wasn’t; want. It is late.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Oh Boy!! who’s talking about just chucking it downfield. For cryin’ out loud, why is this so hard to undestand. If you want have the underneath stuff work you must get the respect of the defense or else they will creep up and sit on your offense.
It’s simple offensive football folks! if someone is sleeping on a post or corner you TAKE it.
All you guy’s are so brain damaged with the Art Shell Tom Walsh offense until tour scared to death of a complete passing game. One that’s well choreographed and opens things up underneath.
It’s just that every time I mention this, I get the same reaction.