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Walker looked OK Sunday

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, September 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The only thing different to the untrained eye about Javon Walker Sunday was his uniform number.

The NFL Network’s Adam Schefter is reporting Walker is questionable with a hamstring injury, meaning there is a 50-50 chance he won’t face the Denver Broncos in the Monday night opener on Sept. 8.

Here is what transpired Sunday.

Note: This post previously erroneously stated the practice session in question took place on Monday.

Practice was moved up by an hour, with a only a few reporters, including MediaNews beat writer Steve Corkran, managing to make it on time after getting the phone call about the change.

On the practice field, a No. 84 was observed running routes at full speed and making hard cuts under the watchful eye of coach Lane Kiffin. Soon afterward, the media window ended.

Reporters made it back to the media room and wondered aloud as to why Arman Shields, put on injured reserve Saturday, would be practicing with the team. Players on I.R. cannot practice with the team.

It was also noted that No. 17 _ Walker _ was not at practice.

Kiffin cleared things up after practice. It was Walker wearing No. 84, which he had worn in both Green Bay and Denver. He had taken his old number and was the one running patterns for Kiffin before team sessions began.

There was no mention of a hamstring injury and Walker was not named among players who missed practice.

After practice, Walker was chatty and in good spirits in front of his locker, discussing his number change and looking forward to playing the opener against his former team, even as he downplayed the revenge factor.

If he had sustained a hamstring injury serious enough to put him at risk for the opener, chances are he would have been in treatment or at least had his leg wrapped. Instead, he was in the locker room, no sign of a limp or discomfort.

From what I’ve been able to discern, Walker had enough of a twinge in his hamstring to be checked out, but that it’s not considered to be serious in terms of missing the opener.

Assuming he got treatment today and will again Tuesday, we’ll have a better idea on Wednesday.

With the imminent signing of Ashley Lelie and a reported visit with former Patriots second-round draft pick Chad Jackson scheduled for Tuesday, the wide receiver position is still evolving.

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424 Responses to “Walker looked OK Sunday”

  1. Kyle Says:

    first

  2. 909raiderlifer Says:

    o.k. then.

  3. dick v Says:

    Whats up with Chad Jackson? Ashley Leilie is garbage. It is hard to stretch the field when you are always nursing a bad hanstring: on top of that the dude drops too many passes. I saw some good things from Schillens. I would be pissed to see him moved out for Lelie.

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  5. Raider68 Says:

    I saw #81 running routes. I thought Tim Brown retired?

  6. 909raiderlifer Says:

    sch!tfer brains, is full of doo-doo

  7. anon Says:

    OMG the sky isn’t fallin! Walker is ok.

  8. saintkaufman Says:

    THANK YOU JERRY!

    …And eat me Schefter!!

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  10. Kevin Says:

    Man, the media is so stupid. Bunch of pencil neck geek writers.

  11. PAC-10 RULES Says:

    No NFL Monday Night Football tonight. Good PAc-10 SEC matchup on ESPN though. UCLA VS Tennessee. Don’t like the Bruins much but they need to represent the PAC-10 against those SEC goobers.

  12. Raider Raul Says:

    If 1 of 2 between Lelie and Jackson work out, our WR squad could be improved. They better be able to catch the heaters!!
    Too bad Carter got hurt.

  13. Reese Says:

    lets get chad jackson over in oakland 2 we need him another speedster that will work we need help an we need it fast

  14. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Goooo UCLA..

    I guess I per default should root for cali teams?!

  15. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Lelie is a great WR. WIde runner. he lines up wide and runs.. can’t catch so don’t call him a reciever.

    half back, full back, quarterbak and wide runner

  16. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Scottish Raider Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Chad Jackson never had a chance at the Pats - he was always 5th on the depth chart. He was one of the 3 highest rated WRs in the draft - the kid has talent.

    Just compare his college record against Watkins, Schilens or Higgins. Jackson was a class above the others
    ___________________________________________________

    I agree we should bring him in, because he got to be better than what we got..

    THAT SAID, he was stuck on the depth chart as #5 for a reason, furtermore look at who he was behind.. Reche Caldwell and Justin McCareins, Doug Gabrial for a very short while and other WR’s we right now wouldn’t consider as an upgrade..

  17. Receiver-O-Rama Says:

    Hey Jamarcus, remember all those guys (Carter, Shields, Schilens, Holland) you threw passes to in training camp? Well, forget about them and come over here and meet Ashley Lelie and Chad Jackson. You’ll like them once you get to know them.

  18. Rolln J Says:

    well I for one cant wait till kickoff, back in Oakland on a cool summers evening… on MNF!

    getting chills just thiking about hearing HELLS BELLS!

    crush the donkeys!

  19. KoolKell Says:

    Any of these new WR’s probably won’t play Monday

  20. KoolKell Says:

    They have to win Monday, period.

  21. Fart Melvin Spander AKA MR Says:

    What’s that smell?
    Nevermind.

  22. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    they’ll play monday. routes aren’t that different. make it basic.

  23. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    1. randy moss, 2. wes welker, 3 jabbar Gaffney, 4. Kelley Washington is last years top 4.

  24. RaiderNation Says:

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
    Goooo UCLA..

    I guess I per default should root for cali teams?!

    That’s not how it works, numbnuts.

    Go Raiders!

  25. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    First!

  26. La Milicia Negra Says:

    its not like I went to any of the schools, so I don’t have any affiliation with them, so I root for Cali teams when they play a team I don’t know that well =)

    and Tennessee falls in that catagory..

    but, please tell me how it works

  27. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    Oh, sorry, guys, looks like this one’s been up for a while.

    Anyhow, good news. I’ve been telling everyone here that Walker is back in form. AD’s words of wisdom have set in, and Walker is ready to play. I’m really excited, more so than I’ve ever been. It’s premature to think Super Bowl, but conference championship is not out of reach. Who better than us?

  28. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    not many people on line here are actually from CA. Go ND/UCONN

    (dakota.. relax.. that’s notre dame not North Dakota!) :)

  29. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    Notre Dame…my god. And I thought the Raiders were colossal chokers.

  30. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    27: Real OG… you’re killing me. That’s a roller coaster ride i’m not getting on!

  31. Hell Raiderrrs Says:

    Now is this a slap from Al to Kiff?
    Al bring in guys now.
    You think he told Kiff “I’ll bring them in when they are worth bring them in. Now shut up and coach.”

  32. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Jim..

    and your point is?

    My point is, Raiders are located in Cali, so therefor the cali teams get my vote!

  33. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    The only scoring Notre Dame does anymore is by the priests.

  34. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    Yeh, that’s it, Hell Raiders. Al’s so tough. Lane is so afraid of him. We all are. Al gives us nightmares.

  35. SC Raider Says:

    Damn, Chad Jackson is available?

  36. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    The whole league is intimidated by Al and his tough talk, Hell Raidersss.. That, and his record in the past 5 years. He just sends chills. Lane Kiffin’s biggest nightmare is for Al to fire him and pay out his contract, then go back to USC where he’ll get to have input again, work in a winning environment, and probably get a bigger salary. Al’s got Lane by the balls. You said it, bud. Sure…

  37. The Real Oakglenn Says:

    Lane’s job is to shut up and coach… and then of course take the blame when Al’s acquisitions can’t catch, block, or tackle. No wonder coaches are tripping over each other to work in Oakland. No wonder we win every single year!

  38. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    32 lmn ??? re-read. i made a statement. i think you have an issue w/the one who called you a name (i can’t find it .. must be deleted).

    in america you can root for whomever you want. it’s a nice place european wannabe

  39. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    #33 Real OG. OUCH!

  40. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    ROG: Weiss’ redshirts are now Juniors. We’ll see!!!

  41. KoolKell Says:

    The Raiders really need to start the season 1-0.

    A loss at home on Monday Nite, and all hell breaks loose.

  42. La Milicia Negra Says:

    “in america you can root for whomever you want.”

    I hope that goes for people outside the US too..

  43. Donkey Killer Says:

    909Raider—great point on the previous thread about these moves being orchestrated while Al was at a funeral. Of course, Kiffin probably had no input regarding a FB and WR (and another visit scheduled) being signed in his absence…..must’ve been Lofton!

    Thank you Jerry for confirming the obvious. Adam Schefter and his TMZ reports have once again been proven FALSE. Look at his track record since Mike Lombardi has left. That was his “source close to the team.” Now he announces Walker as questionable before the injury reports are even announced?

    He also reported from the Combine that agents were telling their clients to steer clear of Oakland becuase it was such a mess and that we wouldn’t be able to sign any impact players.

    I guess $$$ talks a little louder than Schefter…

  44. KoolKell Says:

    You can talk about all the media conspiracy theories you want, make all the excuses you want.

    But you’d better win Monday Nite!

  45. Nnamdi21 Says:

    “Players on IR cannot practice with the team.”

    Didn’t stop the Patriots.

    That was part of the testimony by Walsh that was never pursued. If they wanted to punish them they should’ve taken the higher 1st round pick.

    Who knows if Walkers all right? I read a story on RNS that said he might have a knee injury but that was DAYS ago.

    I think he was back at practice the next day, so its hard to tell whats what. I think Jerry probably knows how hard it is to figure the Raiders out!

  46. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Bout the IR cheating by pats http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450

  47. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Roayl Guards?

    Props my man for serving in the armed forces.

  48. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i’m not on your back. that was a joke. you are very defensive. i just politely stated you’re (correctly this time) considered (by the unanimous us (not U.S.)) that all writings are considered to be on U.S soil. Not a problem. We welcome all. As long as their legal (green card question).

  49. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Maybe Walkers boo-boo could be why Lelie got snatched. we needed him anyway because of Carter, but man, with Walker out, there really isn’t anyone.

  50. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    missing the royal guard connection.

    Did you get to go anywhere?

  51. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Jim..

    thanks for clarifying..

  52. La Milicia Negra Says:

    # Jim (ct raider) Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    missing the royal guard connection.

    Did you get to go anywhere?
    ____________________________________________________

    well, as a former guard of the one you asked if I could call B1tch, it wouldn’t be very likely for me to say that..

    yup, I went to yugo-land.. Kosova, some bosnia.. I among other things taught your guys some stuff down there..

  53. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Nnamdi: last year before the bowl.. Brady’s foot was not listed as an injury! hmmm

  54. La Milicia Negra Says:

    On a Football note..

    Andrews Mom, I read an article that Schefler might not be their starter.. just a heads up to your FFL team..

  55. jim Says:

    lelie is a good replacement for walker if he is healthy, and if chad jackson proves his worht then I guess he is a good #4..I for one am not sold on jackson yet, but I will have faith in our staff,I am sure lofton can help turn him into the player we need..I still see us using mcfadden as a wr in some sets, i am very anxious to see how kiff utilizes mcfadden..

  56. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Anybody here watching the Tenn vs UCLA game??

    I like that its even, keeps the excitement going =)

  57. La Milicia Negra Says:

    I don’t know if its just a “brain-fart” but I think I remember Chad Jackson looked like JLH v’07 when Jackson was returning kicks..

  58. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i don’t know much about the Chad but he’s worth a shot. Lelie can’t catch so i don’t know why he’s here.

  59. Coach Says:

    Announcers on TV are always judgin after the fact

    referring to the UCLA game

  60. Coach Says:

    UCLA’s D is playin great…

  61. 408RAIDER Says:

    Cut sam williams keep Chaz!

    new prediction

    Raiders 17 donkeys 9

  62. Jeremy Says:

    UCLA = Upper Concord Lower Antioch
    USC = University of Southern Concord

  63. Nnamdi21 Says:

    909Raider—great point on the previous thread about these moves being orchestrated while Al was at a funeral. Of course, Kiffin probably had no input regarding a FB and WR (and another visit scheduled) being signed in his absence…..must’ve been Lofton!

    Thank you Jerry for confirming the obvious. Adam Schefter and his TMZ reports have once again been proven FALSE. Look at his track record since Mike Lombardi has left. That was his “source close to the team.” Now he announces Walker as questionable before the injury reports are even announced?

    He also reported from the Combine that agents were telling their clients to steer clear of Oakland becuase it was such a mess and that we wouldn’t be able to sign any impact players.

    I guess $$$ talks a little louder than Schefter…

    *He did mention Lelie and Oakland the day before though on NFLN…

  64. Coach Says:

    LOL @ 408 Raider

    Raiders 21
    Broncos 30

  65. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Prediction Darren Mcfadden 200 yds plus.

    The Donkey’s run D is as bad as ours.

  66. Donkey Killer Says:

    post 45—-

    Who knows if Walker is alright? Ummmmmm, if he wasn’t, I doubt he would be “running routes at full speed and making hard cuts.” Or that he would be “chatty and in good spirits in front of his locker, discussing his number change and looking forward to playing the opener against his former team, even as he downplayed the revenge factor.”

    As Jerry mentioned, why wasn’t he in the training room getting treatment?

    Jerry and Corkran were there and saw it. I’ll take their word and track record over Schefter’s any day.

    I’m no insider or anything, but trust me when I say: HE IS FINE AND WILL PLAY SEPT. 8. Just a hunch…

  67. 408RAIDER Says:

    UCLA’s qb already has int’s

  68. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    408: i’ve been to too many places. I love different ethnics and their food. Im envious of those chefs on the travel channel trying all of those cultures and foods. When i went to japan as an 18 yr old, i remember buying a 10 speed and going off into the hills. I was lost 4 hrs away. It was total hills and farmland. It was their “sticks”. People didnt’ see many foreigners. It was cool, though. I felt like i was in a movie.

    I love variety. My next wife is going to be white!

  69. Coach Says:

    You act like Mr. Davis can’t work from his plane…like he doesn’t have a cell phone…

    Its not like he has to sit in his office and make moves…

    LOL

  70. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    why was walker running by himself??? Is he developing a work ethic? get the fock out of here! is he realizing he has more responsibility w/that big ass check??? He’s growing up before our very eyes.

  71. Coach Says:

    Donkey Killer…

    I’m Lane’s Replacement…waiting in the wings…

  72. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Steve young from Greenwich, CT

  73. coach Says:

    I’m not a Raiders fan Donkey Killer. I’m just looking for love. MR told me I could find true love on this site.

  74. 408RAIDER Says:

    coach you some kinda donkey fan or what?

  75. Coach Says:

    Honestly

  76. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Nnamdi; i hope you’re right! i drafted Mcfadden!

  77. Coach Says:

    It’s not a sex thing, it’s a trust thing.

  78. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Iggy the troll!

  79. Coach Says:

    WOW…I love the haterism…..

    Keep it coming!

  80. Donkey Killer Says:

    Hmmmmm….well funny how Kiffin has no say, yet DeAngelo Hall was quoted as saying that the one person in Oakland that he visited with and negotiated with the most was LANE KIFFIN?

    I’m sure Al Davis called in from his plane to make sure Luke Lawton was signed immediately.

  81. MR Says:

    Coach I will give you my email address.

  82. Coach Says:

    You can do better than that!

  83. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Jim me too! Sounds like a solid pick because even if Huggy’s BAY-BAY! Is starting, he’s prone to injury and DMC will get reps.

  84. Coach Says:

    LOL…I love SPIES…

  85. Coach Says:

    You guys ever ask a young kid what he wants to be when he grows up?

    If you do, and he says I want to be a spy Daddy….you might be in trouble!

  86. Coach Says:

    Kinda like when the say they want to be a cop!

    Same difference

  87. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i took him for catching passes as well. TE can’t catch them all!

    I also have Westbrook and i told everyone my RB corp is going to catch more passes than their WR corps! hahaha

  88. Coach Says:

    Your spy game is weak!

  89. 408RAIDER Says:

    dude they deleted my posts again! I guess you cant say europ3an…

    Jim that’s awesome I’m glad your not a rac!st..

    RAIDER ON

    And can anybody please explain why we got this Lelie clown?

  90. Coach Says:

    You can’t beat a guy who doesn’t need anything….

  91. Voldemort Says:

    Did you guys read Jerry’s thread? It doesn’t sound like Walker is out to me.

  92. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    408: i told you already. WE’re trying to break the Raider record for most dropped passes in a practice or game!

  93. Coach Says:

    You need me, I don’t need you!

  94. Coach Says:

    Here a clue…

    Whomever called the plays the other night for the Raiders did a much better job than the normal guy.

    I don’t know if Kiffin/Knapp usually calls the plays, or if its Davis from his jet in the box…

    My point is, whomever called the plays the other night, in game 4 of the pre-season….was a different person.

    Whoever it was did a better job than the usual guy…

    That’s all I’m gonna say right now…

    Sorry I forgot more about football than anyone on the Raider staff even knows!

  95. 408RAIDER Says:

    That must be it Jim cuz Lelie is garbage!

  96. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    lmn: i beleive it was the Dutch! i don’t remember it was 6 years ago. not a big thing. almowt 100% it was the dutch.

  97. Donkey Killer Says:

    Kiffin doesn’t have total control over the roster, but he and his staff do have plenty of input. Not that Al ALWAYS agrees…

    Or maybe Kwame Harris was an Al Davis “scholarship” pick?

    The record for coaches with total control over the roster is poor. Dennis Green, Mike Holmgren, Mike Nolan, Bill Parcells, Mike Shanahan, etc….and that short list includes successful coaches who had led teams to Super Bowl wins as strictly coaches.

    I suppose completely handing over the reigns to a 32-year-old with no prior experience is better though.

  98. Coach Says:

    Holmgren and Shanahan are good coaches…..PERIOD..those other guys are sheep!

    Parcels time passed him bye….

  99. Coach Says:

    LOL @ MR. okay…If you buy me some dinner!

    I don’t put out on the though….sorry…maybe a lil conversation…

  100. La Milicia Negra Says:

    408..

    they deleted a bunch of things.. its wonderful to live in a free country, huh?? JK

    LOL its weird, registration, which by definition should be a restrain on freedom, suddenly will make fora like these more free.. what a paradox..

  101. Coach Says:

    I will not be pussed around…even if you are GGGAYYYY

  102. patrick Says:

    That is good news on Walker

    http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2008m9d1-Do-the-Raiders-fill-reciever-need-with-Ashley-Lelie-Oakland-Raider-breaking-news

  103. Donkey Killer Says:

    Coach—for you to discuss playcalling in the pre-season shows that you actually know nothing about coaching. But maybe you’re right, that 4th game is always such an important tune-up….

    You’re a friggin’ joke. I’m very new here and don’t know anything about anybody outside of the postings I’ve read, but I would say it’s a safe bet that you are nothing but a troll.

    I would love to hear your insight regarding playcalling in the preseason.

  104. Coach Says:

    UCLA is gettin worn down….

    Tennessee must be copying Kiffins Offense….

    LOL

  105. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Jim CT..

    very plausible, we were there in 2002 too, we all have our flag on our shoulder, its a red background with a White cross(not like the Swi55) the dutch is 3 bars red white and an orange red..

    to you we talk and think alike, though =)

  106. Jhill Says:

    Lelie AND Jackson?

    This is pretty telling that the Raiders feel the biggest area of need the is actually WR.

    Not even sure if there were any better WR out there, so for the Raiders to go after the top 2 speed WR on the market is telling.

    K Robinson is a bonehead move away from being suspended AGAIN! Why would you want that headache?

    Joe Horn is in the mold of Walker and Curry, and half as fast.

    Is Terry Glenn healthy? If so, yeah I could see him over Lelie. I guess. Probably the same guy though, each with a different set of concerns.

  107. Coach Says:

    Like I said….the Raiders need me, I don’t need them///OR YOU…

  108. EasTcoastRaider Says:

    I don’t know why everyone is so worried about WR’s.

    The number one thing that we need to do is make sure that we give Mcfadden every opportunity to take it to the house as many times as possible. That can mean pass receptions of the short variety and him turning them into TD’s or runs etc..

    Of course we need some WR play, especially the sure handed that can keep drives alive, but deep threats are not a big part of Kiff’s offense yet anyway.

    I know technically Fargas is still our starter, but I am going to be very disappointed if D. McFadden doesn’t get just as many touches if not more. This is the one guy on our Offense that can change the game!

  109. La Milicia Negra Says:

    well thats fine, then you can leave, because us fans doesn’t need you either..

    you are dismissed..

  110. Coach Says:

    Audios

  111. Donkey Killer Says:

    –Is anyone here a season ticket holder or a regular @ the Coliseum? I’m coming up on BART for the Chargers game Sept. 28th and am hoping to crash a tailgate.

    I live in San Jose now and, now that I’m closer to Oakland, hope to make it up to more, but for now tailgaiting is kinda rough when taking BART. I will most definitely pitch in some $$$ on brews, etc.

    Any suggestions?

  112. MR Says:

    You outa here coach?? Let’s go back to my place then.

  113. Coach Says:

    ”The smartest man in the world pretends to be stupid”

  114. SilverNblack666 Says:

    All we have to do is win one week from tonight and that will cure all this negative talk about our team by the talking heads on NFLN and BSPN.

  115. Coach Says:

    I WIN AGAIN

  116. Walker is healthy Says:

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  117. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Eastcoastraider..

    1. where abouts on the East coast?
    2. We just don’t want the defense to have 9 guys in the box. need receivers to keep them off balanced from stacking the line

  118. Donkey Killer Says:

    Jerry McDonald reports he is fine. But I guess Schefter knows so much more…

  119. MR Says:

    I’ll steal my mom’s clothes and I’ll be the girl tonight cmon coach!

  120. Jhill Says:

    I think you answered your own ? EC.

    The Raiders are addressing speed at WR so that opposing teams can’t just line 8 guys up against our run game. Walker and Curry are possesion type recs who were not going to neccesarily threaten down field. Could they make the occasional deep play? Sure. Carter was supposed to be a speed threat to stretch the field. His injury was big. It seems like the Raiders feel Schillens and Watkins fit the same mold as Curry and Walker. You need that deep threat to open up the running game even more.

    Lelie and Jackson apparently are two guys who fit the speed mold the Raiders are looking for at WR.

  121. Voldemort Says:

    That’s sick guys, give us a break.

  122. MR Says:

    OK, you be the guy and I’ll be the girl. hahaha.

  123. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Jim CT..

    kudos for trying to keep the football talk going!!

  124. La Milicia Negra Says:

    UCLA’s ST sux bigtime..

  125. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    lmn: i know the different flags. I had to pass a test on the flags in 6th grade (11 or 12 yrs old) in order to go to the United Nations. Their visit wasn’t that big impression so i don’t remember all the details. I remember the Romanians replacing the Canadians in Aphgan (mispelled purposely). They were very memorable because of what they did (i will not nark them out)! They were a VERY fun group! BUt they were serious when needed.

    I think people are misled by the term “royal”. It’s not a special unit group.

  126. Jhill Says:

    Not one Olinemen brought in yet?

    Not one?

    I guess our guys are not as bad as you think.

  127. 408RAIDER Says:

    LMN

    they scored on a blocked punt earlier

  128. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Freedom takes an immense amount of self discipline. It is not advised for everyone. Some people thrive (and i’m not knocking anyone) in settings with fewer choices. The more choices afforded the more self discipline and restraint is required. We all want it but all can’t handle it.

    I remember going from basic training to technical school and my leader saying, “You’re going to get more freedom now. You’re getting more rope… use to climb or use to hang yourself!”
    that was 23 years ago!

  129. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    jhill… they improved immensely from 2006-7. We’ll see. I have confidence in them except LT. But where do you get a good one?

  130. Jhill Says:

    I think we have two decent prospects at LT, Jim. Henderson looks much better than I initially thought after rewatching this last game. He had some bad plays, but he had a lot of really good ones. He surely will be active this year for all games, unlike last year. Hopefully getting thrown into the fire at LT is some type of master plan to get him ready for RT duty.
    RT is the concern. Green has maybe one year left? Seth Wand is NOT the answer as the backup.

  131. 909raiderlifer Says:

    “comment awaiting moderation”

    GFYS—mod.

  132. Terrapin Says:

    Henderson is much better than when we first got him. Still has a long way to go. But if you look at his 1st preseason games ..its not even close. He was all over the place back then.

  133. Fart Melvin Spander AKA MR Says:

    I’ll steal my mom’s clothes and I’ll be the girl tonight cmon coach!

  134. 909raiderlifer Says:

    Mod— I see you cannot take any constructive criticism either.

  135. MR Says:

    I like getting the “royal” treatment if you know what I mean. Henderson wouldn’t make 31 other rosters. When you guys are celebrating Ashlie Lelie it is worse than I thought.

  136. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Wow

    I can’t believe we can pick up Liele and Jackson for next to nothing. Oh those Broncos are so good at the Draft arent they. They picked A. Liele I think with the 18th overall pick a few years back!

    Having these two early to develop is great in that we will be running a lot at first and evolve over the season into more throwing.

  137. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Jim (ct raider) Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    lmn: i know the different flags. I had to pass a test on the flags in 6th grade (11 or 12 yrs old) in order to go to the United Nations. Their visit wasn’t that big impression so i don’t remember all the details.
    ______________________________________________________

    cool, not many knows the different 3uropean flags, I think our flag is the oldest still in use, 1219.. not that you care =)

  138. Thec Says:

    I do not like the lelie signing. Terry Glenn, or Koren Robinson. Lelie is a dropper

  139. 909raiderlifer Says:

    pathetic

  140. Al's Jogging Suit Says:

    I agree that Mike Lombardi was Schefter’s inside man. I’m sure it would go down whenever Lombardi was “out jogging.” Has anyone SEEN Mike Lombardi? Does he LOOK like he’s been jogging? Maybe if he jogged with a Quarter Pounder with cheese instead of an IPOD.

  141. La Milicia Negra Says:

    dammit, i keep loosing the feed.. if this keeps up, im dropping the game.. :/

  142. 909raiderlifer Says:

    Maybe, Big AL, had one of his GOONS, operate the cellphone.

  143. Terrapin Says:

    I just want to see Kiffin take the gloves off this offense (as much as our line can handle). If he does and they eliminate TOs, I don’t think Denver stands much of a chance. The last game we played against Denver was near dominant.

  144. FIRE KIFFIN Says:

    BSPN Ranked Raider fans #9, behind Chief fans and donkey fans.

    St. LDF Travel Loyal Hate TG CF TOTAL
    2 2 2 3 1 1 5 16

    9. Raiders
    Consecutive sellouts: 4 | Season-ticket waiting list: none

    The Raiders may have the most fun group of NFL fans in the league. The Raider Nation travels like a college contingent, and game day in Oakland is an all-day Halloween party, whether it’s October or Christmas Eve. The Raider Nation prides itself in bullying the opposition.
    – Bill Williamson

  145. 909raiderlifer Says:

    Give them Freddie B’s, new and improved “Stickum” tm.

  146. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    MR

    Always so positive…. Henderson was a developmental pick with a 3rd round choice - a known gamble. Liele was a 1st round pick expected to be at least a strong #2 deep threat…. With Lofton as a coach it is great we are getting some different bodies in here to look at. There is some real possible upside here considering we have been think at WR since Moss left. We need to bring people in to see how they fit with the system and JR. I really like this move! Our biggest weakness the OL though remains vulnerable. I am not a big C. Green fan and I am not sure about Harris but hopefully he will develop. The DL is also a question mark especially at DT… We are TK’s ligament away from being horrible at the point of attack. So here is some negativity to try to get along…

  147. Terrapin Says:

    Thec - Are his drops more of a recent phenomenon or has he had these problems his whole career? I don’t know really - just asking. Cause you could’ve looked at Moss and said the same thing - that he’s a dropper based on his work in Oakland. But that wouldn’t be accurate.

    SF was sht to be frank. They couldn’t keep there QB off the ground. And we all know Alex Smith is not the 2nd coming of Montana. In ATL; I don’t know what was up with that - different system though.

  148. Terrapin Says:

    I saw that ranking FIRE. You know the Denver ranking is baloney. Still, the Pats are ranked behind the Raiders even after all those SBs. In contrast, for the Raiders to rank that high after 5 years of losing says a lot about the fans. Turn around the franchise and we’ll be back in the top 5 for sure.

  149. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Terrapin: Lelie couldn’t catch in Denver, Atl, or SF. It wasn’t the route running .. it was catching the ball. He can’t catch, period. Remember Jett? Jett looks like a gold glove comparitively speaking.

    LMN: Yes, i do care. I enjoy history.

  150. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Terrapin

    In Atlanta they had Vick - not your best touch thrower by any means… In SF well it was kind of like Oakland in 06 - no one is going to thrive in that. He was really good at catching when he played at Hawaii. Lofton is a really good fundementals coach…. This is certainly worth a try!

    Hey did you see that Beaver Maryland game? :-)

  151. K-Rock Says:

    UCLA just got the lead on Tenn. LOL!

  152. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    our receivers are dropping balls every practice. YOu can’t coach speed or catching a ball (at this age). YOu can teach route running… but catching a ball especially if you feel like you’re going to be hit.

  153. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    1960.. i’ve seen him on bombs not catching the ball. Maybe the lights or maybe when he’s looking back he sees a friend in the upper deck??? He can’t catch!

  154. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    NE didn’t have fans until 2001

  155. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    tom jackson works for bspn. you tell me! and their in my damn state!

  156. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    If Liele was the total package right now he would not be available. What we are doing is signing him to evaluate and see if we can salvage something here. Obviously a top tier WR is not on the waiver wire! This is how bad teams get better find the unpolished stones and polish them up if they don’t work then we just cut him…

  157. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    ok. just one more point.. he’s not a bottom tier receiver. Where is Ryan Hoag?

  158. K-Rock Says:

    Lelie and Walker will battle for Comeback Player of the Year Award.

    Hey…. A guy can dream, can’t he?

  159. R8R_ERN Says:

    Fresno St. wins, UCLA just scored 17-14. Bruins! 6:51 to go.

  160. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Lelie would drop the trophy!

  161. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i remember rolling on the floor laughing at Denver. They compared him to Freddie Mitchell of the eagles. Remember 1st round pick who was booted. Lelie and mitchell are too pretty for the nfl.

    I remember making fun of shanahan so hard. then he went to atlanta and i called them dumb asses and many more names. then he was p/u by SF and I said how stupid are they. Remember Martz keeps a lot of WR. He also turns DBs into WR and yet he still couldn’t do anything with Lelie.

  162. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Ball Catching is a fundemental and it can be coached - speed and size can not be coached. Strength is improved by training but is not coached. Catching is inter tied to route running and timing with the QB. Someone that is a great WR with one QB may or may not be with another.

    There is a chance Lofton can resuurect this guy. I am not saying he will but it is worth the risk - i.e. the 52nd or 53rd roster spot.

  163. Terrapin Says:

    You keep polishing a stone you might make a diamond. All it takes is pressure and heat.

  164. R8R_ERN Says:

    MAN! I hope Kelly can bring it like Harwell is. He’s a terror to this Tennesse O-line. Priceis doing well also!

  165. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Romanowski from CT!

    I only know of one receiver who had drops first year and improved. But he worked intensly on it in the off season. Lelie and others do not. It’s a lack of focus and concentration. You can teach hand placement but you can’t teach focus, especially to a prima donna.

  166. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    that receiver was jerry rice

  167. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i have no prob bringing him in but i don’t want anyone penciling him in or expecting anything from him.

  168. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Jim

    Martz does not coach fundementals he is mainly a scheme guy. Lofton is a good fundementals coach that was a great WR in his own right. I am not saying the current Liele is all that good - I am saying he has size and speed not commonly found. He also did catch the ball in college. There is some flaw in his game and if Lofton can fix that - which I think it is a taking off of focus right at the last second - we have a legit number 2 receiever - if not we gave up a roster spot on a team Kiffin thinks the last 5-10 guys are junk anyways.

  169. EasTcoastRaider Says:

    Jim (Ct. Raider),

    Just outside of Baltimore MD.

    I still think we are going to get nine in the box, and a lot of blitzing until we prove we can hit intermediate to deep passes consistently. I agree you need a deep threat, but more than anything they just need the possession type catches and JR needs to prove himself a little bit too. As long as he can hit passes to keep drives alive the deep threat isn’t that big of a deal. We’ll have the deep threat everytime McFadden touches the ball.

  170. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    hopefully we get chad jackson in to look at as well.

  171. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Eastcoast: i agree with you. i never mentioned deep just WRs to throw to. I don’t know if we have anything that gets the defenses pulses up.

  172. K-Rock Says:

    Tenn just scored

  173. EasTcoastRaider Says:

    MR,

    Are you nuts. Gruden best move to TB?
    After the gift of a SB he was handed from Dungy what has he done?

    You can’t be a fan of both the Donks and the Chefs and the Raiders at the same time. Doesn’t work. Get off our board!

  174. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    MR

    If that is in response to me I did not mean to say or insinuate that you are not a Raider fan. I have read many of your posts and most the time I agree with you but I also notice you are mostly pessimistic and negative about everything.

    Since the way we have played since 2003 I can understand being negative - but over the last couple of years some things have been done right such as hiring Cable, moving to a zone blocking system, drafting Miller and Bush. Another thing we did is we have been carefully developing JR and trying to build from a solid running game. Also the use of quick hitting plays and roll outs to minimize our weaknesses in pass protection is great. I wish we could have fired Ryan and I wish Davis would give Kiffin more leeway, but at least there have been some positive things lately.

  175. La Milicia Negra Says:

    # Jim (ct raider) Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    LMN: Yes, i do care. I enjoy history.
    ____________________________________________________

    Cool, me too =)

  176. K-Rock Says:

    Here are some highlights from Lelie in 2005.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJjY1mLj2lc

  177. EasTcoastRaider Says:

    Jim,

    I agree. Right now most defenses are going to say…well the Raiders are going to try to run run run, so let’s stick 9 in the box because they don’t have any WR’s worth worrying about. Most teams have at least one very good CB and they will probably stick him on Curry I guess or maybe Walker. A smart move by the Raiders would be to come out gunning a little to loosen up their D, but like you said I don’t know if they can really do that…

    Honestly, I think the Raiders best deep threat right now is Z. Miller!
    He is sure handed and he gets open very deep sometimes. Either way I think we can handle the Broncos.

  178. La Milicia Negra Says:

    K-Rock..

    yeah, it was a good play, I think TENN was best, though I started out, rooting for UCLA =)

  179. K-Rock Says:

    LMN, you watchin Tenn v UCLA?

  180. K-Rock Says:

    UCLA is not dead yet!

  181. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    I think everyone knows are ONLY passing threat is Zach Miller.

    WE need to use two tight ends and a no huddle. (my pov). We don’t have the greatest talent but we have flexible talent. bush, mcfadden are both excellent receivers and runners. They both can run in or out and zach is a mobile TE who can present matchup problems then you have a rolling qb.

  182. Thec Says:

    I hope teams do stack 8 or 9 in the box. dont care what team does that to the NATION they will get torched.

  183. K-Rock Says:

    Holy Cow! UCLA has 45 seconds to get about 4 yards!

  184. K-Rock Says:

    TD UCLA! HOLY COW!

  185. Thec Says:

    Yes I am a USC fan but i hate the SEC go bruins

  186. Thec Says:

    PAC-10 baby

  187. Thec Says:

    Kevin Kraft = Dr. Jekyl, Mr Hyde

  188. La Milicia Negra Says:

    what an ending!!

  189. K-Rock Says:

    Fulmer will be looking for work after this season.

  190. K-Rock Says:

    I love it when the underdog wins.

  191. La Milicia Negra Says:

    K-Rock..

    yup.. i was about to give up, but the last 10 min of the game I had no problems with the feed =)

  192. K-Rock Says:

    We may have OT!

  193. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Norm Chow ||this close to be a laughing stock =)

  194. K-Rock Says:

    This kicker stinks. Will he hit it?

  195. Thec Says:

    UCLA called off the dogs, should have kept blitzing thus dude… God game nontheless…..

  196. Thec Says:

    UCLA should have kicked it deep and not that pooch kick SH!T

  197. K-Rock Says:

    OVER TIME!

  198. Thec Says:

    DAMN……

  199. Jeremy Says:

    I spoke in class today

  200. K-Rock Says:

    I am enjoying this game. I might lose power during the night.

    Gustav is heading right for us. Should be about 40mph winds when it gets here.

  201. La Milicia Negra Says:

    woaw.. good game

    how is it OT is, both has one try or how is it?

  202. Dakota Says:

    Let’s sign Chaad Jackson…just because his middle name is Wolfegang.

  203. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Jim

    I think we have considerable talent in places on the offense now:

    QB - JR really is starting to look comfortable out there - I was really concerned he was going to be a bust when we drafted him but I think they have done a really good job with him and he has really worked hard. Walter is a servicible backup.

    RB - Bush and McFad are really really good backups - Fargas is an average to above average starter - we have a lot of depth here. Griffith is good FB but lack depth with loss of OO.

    TE - Miller is borderline Probowl and above average. Madson can block and Stewart can but does not do much for route running

    WR - Weak here Walker if big if - He stays healthy and keeps his head on striaght is an average number 1 reciever and can even be above average. Curry is a below average number 2 that is injury prone. Depth at WR is problematic as no one has steeped up and Carter is out for year

    OL - Above average run blocking may be better than last year and among the worst in pass protection. Gallery looks above average at times but inconsistent. Cooper Carlisle near average starter and I think McQuinstan is under rated and did really well at RT. Our starting tackles are weak especially in pass protection. Harris must emerge and MQ or Henderson must step up or the search continues…

    Overall we have emerging talent at RB, TE and QB and are about average in terms of WR considering other teams problems. Our OL is really bad at pass protection and there are no stars here but Gallery may emerge at guard. If the OL can improve at run blocking and just be a little below average (instead of terrible at pass protection) we will have an average to above average offense! In the 10-15 rank range. If OL does not improve look for us to be in the 15 to low 20’s range. Eighter way we are better than last year and way better than 06.. Hard to rebuild a team from where it was in 06 in a season or two.

  204. La Milicia Negra Says:

    # La Milicia Negra Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    what an ending!!
    _____________________________________________________

    LOL was I wring or what?? LOL, well “what an ending” of the 4th quarter =) lol

  205. PAC-10 GUY Says:

    Wow. Last second FG by Vols to tie game at 24-24.

  206. PAC-10 GUY Says:

    Each team gets chance to score. TD must be matched. FG can be beat with TD.

  207. La Milicia Negra Says:

    on a NFL note..

    man Ravens has a QB convention going, huh?

  208. La Milicia Negra Says:

    # PAC-10 GUY Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Each team gets chance to score. TD must be matched. FG can be beat with TD.
    ___________________________________________________

    thank you, I meant it was like that..

  209. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    1960. i totally agree with your assessment. i’m on board.. just don’t want lack of wr talent to collapse the rest.

    who did the Lelie YOutube? It was awesome! He looked great! Obviously that’s from his camp! I’d like to see the bad as well. i don’t remember all those plays.. quite a few must have been preseason as well. Denver cut him.

  210. La Milicia Negra Says:

    better than the NFL rule, IMO

  211. Thec Says:

    WOW helluva game, K-Rock Be safe Bro….

  212. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    flacco is starting for the ravens! wow! they are hurting! they dogged him earlier in the year saying the game was too fast for him and he wasn’t picking up the plays. Is their coach another kiffin???

  213. PAC-10 GUY Says:

    Great game! PAC-10 beats goobers from SEC!

  214. Dakota Says:

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
    its not like I went to any of the schools, so I don’t have any affiliation with them, so I root for Cali teams when they play a team I don’t know that well =)

    and Tennessee falls in that catagory..
    ___________________________________________________

    Looks like a soci@list supporting soci@lists.

  215. 408RAIDER Says:

    that was a good game! ucla won in ot

  216. La Milicia Negra Says:

    LOL, then its finished here too =)

  217. Thec Says:

    Nice game…Hate the SEC……PAC-10

  218. K-Rock Says:

    Man…..I LOVE FOOTBALL!

    What a game.

  219. La Milicia Negra Says:

    it was worth staying up for, thats for sure =)

  220. PAC-10 GUY Says:

    Who says college football isn’t exciting?

  221. 408RAIDER Says:

    LOL queef = pu$$y fart

  222. EasTcoastRaider Says:

    MR,

    I was referring to your post stating that you were a Raider fan second behind the Broncos and the Chiefs. How is that possible?

    When they play each other who the hell are you rooting for?

    You own this board alright with your stupid comments.

    I don’t even know why I bother responding, but the new ZBS did get us the 6th best rushing team last year, and that was with virtually NO passing threat to speak of!

  223. Thec Says:

    Lov college football…
    But Love NATION football better

  224. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    Do you think Bill CLinton is jealous???? Do you think now he wishes he can run as a Republican???

  225. Dakota Says:

    IS IT MONDAY YET???????? FUK I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!

    DRAFT MCFADDEN!

  226. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    408/dakota: wtf? is that the sound when it sounds like a fart? in a middle of a down stroke? one that throws your whole rythm off???

  227. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i drafted mcfadden w/the 3rd pick in the 3rd round. i have him and westbrook! they better do something!

  228. 408RAIDER Says:

    Thec
    Nation football Rocks!

    college football is a good fix to hold ya over till the Raider games.. IMO

  229. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Craft looks like Al Davis in the early 60’s late 50’s

  230. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    i love that librarian look she has! Damn… those glasses and her hair up like that. i love women w/their hair up! i love the neck! uh.. i’ll be back! give me 5! HAHAHAHHA KIDDING!

  231. 1960AutumnWind Says:

    Jim

    Some problems I saw with Liele are he seems to be soft - i.e. he does not run the over the middle routes with full authority like he is afraid of being hit. This is something I saw from day one. Secondly as of recently he seems to try to run with the ball before catching it - hence the drops. He needs to concentrate more and sell the middle routes to better get the fades to the side and the bombs that he is known for. It is possible both these problems can be coached out of him. I am sure SF tried but what kind of repetition could he have had with Smith and Company laying on their backs! With his size and speed he can get under JR and his really long throws. You know the ones he makes when on one leg throwing accross the field for 70 yards with just wrist action… :-) (That was for KK)

  232. PAC-10 GUY Says:

    Thanks UCLA! Now CAL is in top 25 for sure.

    Pros are bigger and faster but 18-22 year old college kids are pretty darn good.

    CAL, Stanford, and even San Jose State all had great wins this weekend. Niners and Raiders will be hard pressed to match.

  233. 408RAIDER Says:

    Later Nation

  234. La Milicia Negra Says:

    later 408

  235. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    1960: i need yoiur address and your work schedule! lol!

  236. Daniel So Cal Says:

    I like it that the WR position is evolving given it’s the Raiders’ weakest position.

    Pac-10 guy, I guess Tennessee won’t be playing the PAc-10 on opening days anymore-at least not on the road.

    I think the energy at the Coliseum on Monday will match that found at the Cal game.

  237. Tri-Tip Says:

    We should have hired Neuheisel after Gruden left as our head coach, always thought he was great…our head coach sucks.

  238. Dakota Says:

    BREAKING NEWS: Jackson to Visit Oakland
    by Adam Caplan of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, September 1, 2008 at 6:05pm ET

    Chad Jackson Profile

    Scout Rumor Central has confirmed free agent WR Chad Jackson is expected to fly to Oakland Tuesday morning and will work out for the team either on Tuesday or Wednesday.

    A league source notes Oakland seriously considered claiming Jackson off of waivers on Monday but chose to bring him in for a workout instead then they’ll decide whether or not to sign him.

    The team reached a contract agreement with free agent WR Ashley Lelie on Monday.

    Lelie, who missed most of training camp and pre-season with a calf injury, was recently released by the San Francisco 49ers.

  239. Anthos Says:

    has anyone sat in section 149 is it any good?

  240. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    sandwhich and pallin… go together very well!

    i’ll lick all the mayo out! ok.. i’m out of here! i’m very tired and getting carried away! Where’s my dog?

  241. Tri-Tip Says:

    What a bunch of hogwash, getting lelie and now this other bum from wherever?…jackson?…give me a break,…its the regular friggin season man!!!…and youre now adding receivers???????…

  242. Dakota Says:

    Fire Kiffin Says:
    September 1st, 2008 at 9:30 pm
    They’re serving Riblets again at Applebees.

    Just Win Baby

    ____________________________________________________

    About fuking time, I was getting sick of Chilli’s

  243. Tri-Tip Says:

    What row in 149?…thats important..I know the section pretty well.

  244. Anthos Says:

    anyone section 149

  245. Tri-Tip Says:

    149 is in the sun alot,..almost all game long, depends on what time of year,..early in the year the suns still pretty high…as Im also usually pretty high….all good, bring sunglasses and suntan lotion.

  246. Huff24 Says:

    Walker wore #17. Walker changes back to #84. Chad Jackson wears #17. Jackson is scheduled for a visit on Tuesday. I’d say Walker has already moved back to #84 to make room for the new #17.

  247. Anthos Says:

    my tickets are in the car but im pretty sure its row 12 or 13

  248. Jim (ct raider) Says:

    her kid is getting married.

    It was quite obvious that o’bama can’t keep his party together. 1/3 of clinton’s supporters are not voting period. My hottie’s job is to get those votes. How can someone “cross aisles” when he can’t keep his aisle together? Ticket should be reversed.

    i also believe romney should be rep candidate. anyway, i’m a once rep moved to independant and my vote can be swayed by a hot governer in Alaska. SHe lives in the Yukon and I went to UCONN. We should have a meeting.. Husky style!

  249. Tri-Tip Says:

    I asked you dude, in 149, what row?…you looking on craigslist for tix or something?

  250. Dakota Says:

    Huff24,

    Things have been kind of slow in here….why don’t you post some of your special videos again?

  251. Tri-Tip Says:

    Hmmm,…I think around the 25 yard line in the south part of the field or so,…the black holes to your left.

  252. M Says:

    Anthos,

    you’ll be standing for the whole game, so you’ll get a good view. At least in 145 that is the way it is.

  253. Anthos Says:

    well my tickets are just for monday night for my b day is next sturday and yes i too will be pretty mufuccin high just wanna know what yall think the view is like

  254. Tri-Tip Says: