Will coaches want Raider money up-front?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, October 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.
One of the more interesting questions in Friday’s on-line chat came from Sacraider, who wondered if future head coaches would start asking for signing bonuses as a way of “staving off the fear of getting fired and not getting their contracts honored?”
Have to admit I’d never thought of it before, but it makes perfect sense.
Davis doesn’t want to pay Kiffin, he was accused of shorting Mike Shanahan $250,000 and also lost a judgment to former defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan over pay.
(It’s probably worth the $250,000 to Shanahan for all the mileage he’s gotten out of it).
The Raiders would likely laugh off a bonus request, but let’s face it, the public execution of Lane Kiffin to go along with firing him for “cause” and not paying his contract is bound to make any coach think twice.
You wonder if Tom Cable was sitting in a quiet back room waiting his turn Tuesday after the intermission, or if he was watching the whole thing unfold on ESPNNews and wondering what he had just gotten himself in to.
Some quick hits on a bye week Saturday as the post-Kiffin era comes into focus:
– Haven’t actually heard the sound byte in which Davis supposedly is asking for information on Cable before introduciung him at the press conference. Doesn’t matter much, anyway. It was the right call. Cable is the best available replacement on the current staff.
Greg Knapp is better served working with JaMarcus Russell and there’s reason to believe he wouldn’t have wanted the job anyway. Bringing in an outsider such as Jim Fassel or a semi-outsider such as advance scout Paul Hackett would do nothing to promote chemistry.
(Davis reiterated he doesn’t believe in chemistry. He sees it as something teams claim to have when they win).
James Lofton’s asension would have carried with it the sense of the inevitable, as he was hired by Davis with Kiffin being informed by a third party.
Most everyone is going to be on board with Cable, and if you’ve spent five minutes talking to him, it’s clear why.
– My favorite Cable comment came from colleague Carl Steward, who sent me an e-mail regarding the press conference spectacle and closed with the line, “Love the idea of John Goodman as coach.”
– Get used to the Raiders being a pinata until they turn things around on the field.
You take Rich Gannon’s criticisms to heart because it sincerely pains him to see the Raiders in their current state.
Disregard most of what Warren Sapp says, because he’s a master storyteller, and storytelling is often accompanied by embellisment. Sapp’s criticisms of the 1970s offense come primarily from the Tom Walsh season, and that was the exception rather than the rule.
The one Sapp comment worth worrying about was his contention that the Raiders had worked with a defensive adjustment to put an eighth player in the box consistently to deal with their deficiencies against the run, only to have Rob Ryan say Davis shot it down late in the week.
– For the Raiders offense to change, here’s where JaMarcus Russell needs to make his biggest improvement _ the Raiders are completing an NFL-low 12.9 percent of their third-down passes for first downs. The next opponent, New Orleans, with Drew Brees, is completing 47.2 percent, trailing only Dallas (51.3) and the New York Giants (48.0).
– Even with the 37-to-23 pass-run ratio against San Diego, the Raiders are running the ball more frequently than all but three teams in the NFL. They’ve run on 54.4 percent of their plays, trailing only Baltimore (59.1 percent) and Tennessee (57.4).
– Neglected to mention it in previous blogs, but Tyvon Branch is now without his cast and could be available for kickoff return duty, although Johnnie Lee Higgins has fared very well in that area.
– Kiffin said early during his tenure that there would be no players on scholarship, and that didn’t set well with Davis, either.
“I can’t let a guy go. I admit this,” Davis said Tuesday, singling out Zack Crockett as a reluctant cut he made at Kiffin’s behest.
This will be the kind of pressure Cable will be up against should he make it into a second year, and he would be best advised to make his case rather than simply insist on a specific course of business.
– Great story from a former Raiders assistant. Davis would make requests of things he would want to see from Jon Gruden. Rather than put the requests directly in the circular file, Gruden would have the video staff make a cut-up showing why he didn’t think it would work.
Davis would often be appeased, at least knowing his request was being considered.
Cable might want to borrow from that strategy.
– Curious to see how this hole “cause” firing scenario will play out, because some of the things Davis wrote about in the letter seemed soft. Kiffin was critical of Javon Walker, but I never heard him say he didn’t want to sign him. He never said that I can recall that he didn’t want DeAngelo Hall, and he never directly said he didn’t agree with the signing of Tommy Kelly.
– Kiffin’s penchant for calling out players in public will not likely be repeated by Cable. If Cable didn’t the message his interview, Davis delivered it at the press conference.
“I’ve told him, we don’ thave to make an example of players publicly, we have to make those players want to be great,” Davis said. “And they will be great. But we can’t bring ‘em down publicly. And that’s the important thing, he has to dominate that locker room.”
That’s a Davis staple _ when a player isn’t great, it’s usually the fault of the coach, not the player.
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October 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Yes and First!
October 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
But no real coach will consider taking the job.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
What am I talking to myself here?
October 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
No I’m listening just say something more interesting.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Your wife is a great lover.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I knew that was you. She says you are bigger but I have more cash so it’s really a toss up for her.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Just a couple of white guys talkin’ ’bout the Raiders.
October 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
jerrymac: Pirates Eye: Way too early for draft stuff for me . . . except this Crabtree WR from Texas Tech looks like someone Russell might like.
That’s what I’ve been saying since last season. In fact, I’m certain I was the first person to bring it up here. LOL! We gotta get that kid here. I’m watching Crabtree and Harrell light it up right now. Guns up, baby!
October 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
An honorable man would not accept money he didn’t earn. As a coach, I would have no problem working without a guaranteed contract.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
32 head coaching jobs at the highest level of football, one of which is with the Raiders. Say what you want, that matters.
Fact is, Knapp, Rathman, and Cable all could have gone somewhere else, easily, but they came here. A lot of credit for that has to go to Kiffin, but if it were truly that toxic to work here, they would not have come.
There is a lot of talent to work with on both sides of the ball. Hard to believe a confident coach couldn’t believe he’d get it done. Win, and things are always easier. Not easy, just easier.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The contracts ARE guaranteed. To get paid you don’t have to win, Just don’t do anything stupid. Kiffin did a lot of stupid things. They will probably settle out of court for some “undisclosed” amount.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Sorry to Repost but I think this is an interesting point to ponder:
MR Says:
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Kiffin wanted to get fired because he knew there was no way he could wrestle control of the organization from Al, which is the only way any coach can win here.
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I was talking to some football people and they thought Kiffin was purposefully trying to get fired. Think about that for a second. That is absolutely mind blowingly TERRIBLE. That is unbelievably bad for him, the team, the league, the organization, and professional sports. That is an absolutely incredible thing!! Kiffin was trying to lose for his own personal financial benefit.
Let’s say for the sake of argument, he wasn’t trying to lose on purpose. Then, he is completely utterly incompetent. So, either he is despicable, or incompetent. It has to be either A or B. And MR wants to give him a raise, and control of the team.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Oak-you got your desire-Kiffins been fired(although it was in a chickensh!t manner).let it go-move on.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
so Oak,who is this local person being considered to come in and help the old feeble one run the organization?
October 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Oakglenn - you seriously think Al will settle out of court? If this were any other team and any other situation, that would be a likely outcome - but come on, we all know there’s a greater chance of Al paying off Shanahan AND issuing a public apology to Marcus (on the same day as a solar eclipse no less) then there is of Al settling ANYTHING out of court.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
lefty12, actually I was on record numerous times here saying I didn’t want Kiff out. But after that presser, everything all of a sudden made complete sense: the Rob Ryan debacle, the way he used Jamarcus, the Arkansas debacle, the 75 yard FG attempt, etc. When all of this came to light, good effing riddance!!
As to who is going to come in to help Davis, everyone here thinks it’s going to be Mariucci. I don’t think that. And I know you guys are going to hate me for saying this, and again, this is not MY choice, but I think it will be Mike Nolan.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
good point metal.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
A.D. Football, Inc Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Yes and First!
What do you get for being first. A schlong in the mouth?
October 4th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
“Against the Dying of the Light”
We’ll get back
We’ll be back
The Raiders
Will be back
That’s
Uh
I have unshakable confidence
The will to win
And I just know
That the fire
That burns brightest
In this building!
Is the will to win
And we will win
We will
October 4th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
at the press conf. it was said that talks are on going.wouldn’t that leave Nolan out since that would be tampering?he is still under contract with the whiners.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Wouldn’t that be tampering if he was having conversations with Nolan?
October 4th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
the guy AD is bringing in likes to surf. thats your clue all
October 4th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
his first name initials are B as is his second. and theres your second clue
October 4th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
He likes to surf? Hmm, I know who it is, Tod Marinovich. Him, Al, and John Herrera will all smoke pot together and make personnel decisions.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
didn’t know Beatherd was a local.thought he was in SD(living not working).
October 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
good call lefty. he also has a home in the bay area
October 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
A.D. Football, Inc Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
What am I talking to myself here?
Who’d want to talk to a retard that gets turned on by being first. How juvenile is that?
October 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
28th bitches!
October 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
mr go hump your sister.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Actually metal you’re right, but it happens all the time. Now they haven’t offered him anything obviously, and won’t until he becomes available. As I said, it is widely confirmed that Holmgren is going to be the coach of the Whiners next year. Al and Nolans dad go back fifty years. Al told him he has a job here when the whiners let him go. It will be either as DC, or front office.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
that might not be a bad idea.he seems to be pretty easy going(surfer dude) and might be able to cope with all the bs that is the Raiders.plus,he has no love for the dischargers.he would also bring some much needed credibility to the org.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
oak-you heard the press conf.he would never accept tampering.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
But first lets see if Cable can get the job done.If he gets us 7 to 9 games you have to got to bring him back.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Whether or not a coach is paid up front or not at all is not the problem for the Raiders. The smart coach will try his darndest to get control of personnel from Davis. The reality is that until the Raider scouting department (which is comprised of Al Davis and a nondescript flunkie) stop going after the flashy track stars and start going after disciplined football players, no coach in his right mind will want any part of Oakland. Although we do have very gifted athletes on the roster, consistency, discipline and heart are what wins in this league. How many of those guys do we really have right now? Only time will tell.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Darron-we are talking about a front office person,not a coach.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
They are not going to bring in a guy in the middle of the year. Fellas the NFL is the quintessential old boys network. Guys have grown up together, coached and played in college together. Shoot remember Madden and John Williams grew up on the same street! It’s not unusual for guys to meet up during pre game warm ups and shoot the sh**. It’s there, that someone may say, hey, if something happens consider coming over to our team. Nothing is in writing or verifiable. Davis wouldn’t draft a letter or make phone calls or do something that would easily be verified.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Darron Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
But first lets see if Cable can get the job done.If he gets us 7 to 9 games you have to got to bring him back.
He doesn’t have three years!
October 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
anyway Oak,i would love to see Nolan as our DC-hell anything would be better than Rob,3qtrs,Ryan.
October 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Isn’t Bobby Beathard about as old as Al Davis?
The same guy who hired Mike Riley and drafted Ryan Leaf?
That would be about right.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Any court battle will be open to the public.
The question of the day: What dirt could Kiffin have to make Al Davis look bad?
He doesn’t have to be 100% truthful, Kiffin could make stuff up. People will remember the bad points and the stories that Al cannot deny will be the ones that will stick. I see a quiet agreement coming Kiffin’s way.
Al showed his hand too soon, but he made his point. That is probably more important to Al Davis today. It could hurt him if it goes to a 3rd party to decide. It will severely limit his choices as Kiffin’s replacement.
The story goes that he had to pull a “Your are a Raider Art, you owe it to the team” card to get a coach 2 seasons ago. Then he had to get a passing game coach (not even a full OC) from the college ranks as a replacement.
Where could you possibly find your new coach? I mean, what is the next step down? High School PE teacher/football coach?
It’s going to be interesting (as in an F-inf joke) around Raiderland for a while.
Raidermot
October 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Oak-he said it wouldn’t happen until the off-season but that they are talking will continue to try and work something out.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I have a vision in 12 years there will be a video game named ” Tom Cable Football 2020″ ! The guy could be the next great Raider Coach ala John Madden!
October 4th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Jerry keep up the good work and great insight into this madhouse of an organization.
Tom Cable seems like a good coach - hopefully he can keep his head clear from all the front office politics.
Hope someone sends john herrera back to the rock he crawled out from under.
Bring over someone who can think for themselves in the front office rather than a mindless drone that Al can send around to carry out his dastardly orders.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I don’t know what Shell made as HC, but I can guran fkin teee he was the lowest paid HC in the league. Probably tru fro Kiffin also… I don’t get why Al throws money without regret to unreliable dudes like Javon, Angelo, Sands, Kelly, etc, instead of investing on the most important part of the team (coaching staff) or at least paying the reliable dudes like Nnamdi, Burgess, & Howard. Does he think that by over paying players will become hungry? I don’t get it. But then again I don’t think about this time for weeks, and months and a year and time…
October 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
ChargersChoke Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I have a vision in 12 years there will be a video game named ” Tom Cable Football 2020″ ! The guy could be the next great Raider Coach ala John Madden!
Maybe it would be called Idaho Vandals 2003?
October 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Lefty you’re right. Did that sound right? Any way, when Kiff wanted Monte here, Davis would have had to approach the Glazers and buy out Monte Kiffins contract and then probably pay the Glazers something. If he had approached Monte directly that would have been tampering. Davis clearly was not willing to do that. Saying something to someone on a football field, while it technically is tampering, is something that goes on constantly. Jerry wrote an article on exactly that a few months ago.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Personally you guys I think Tom Cable is going to be nite and day better. Nite and day.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Oak-please use correct instead of right.i could never be right,if you know what i mean.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Oakglenn
Why does it seem Al always wants to go with an Offensive line coach? Shell 2x, Bugel, Callahan, and I think White were all Line coaches. Now Cable. Do they have a better rapport with the players?
October 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Oakglenn Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Personally you guys I think Tom Cable is going to be nite and day better. Nite and day.
If Kiffen was day that is.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Anyone have a link to the clip of where Davis asks about Cable? I think I saw it on TV but can’t find it online anywhere..
October 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Look on youtube
October 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Regardless of how the Kiffin thing plays out and I do think that he should get paid, Kiffin should include Big Al on his Christmas card list for the rest of his days for speeding up his career by about 5 to 8 years. What was the guy before this past year? Just some co offensive coordinator? Now, he’s a former NFL head coach and he’s not even 35-years-old. Even if Kiffin was outright Machiavellian and was daring Davis to fire him, there’s no way he’s going to have his dismissel held against him after that poorly advised press conference. One thing is to announce you’re getting rid of a guy, another is to lawyering your case for not paying him in front of the media. Especially when you’ve got a history of doing stuff like that. Kiffin’s going to land on his feet. Talk about getting the jump on everyone else his age or at his coaching career before last year.
October 4th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Tien, here is the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tk3L5l-EyU&feature=related
October 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Sheeps…
October 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Since Warren Sapp is doing the NFL broadcast and busy criticizing the Raiders while making a fool out of himself on Dancing with the Stars, he may want to invest some of the money he’s earned and do something about that Speech Impediment, he was on late night with jay leno last night and he pretty much needed sub titles.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
No surprise here: Despite all the evidence to the contrary, people like OakGlenn are still unflappable.
“Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
October 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
You’ll always think the latest coach will be night (not “nite”) and day better.
That is, until Davis fires him. They he’s the biggest loser in the world and the next coach will be the one. Never mind that Davis hired all these guys in the first place.
The story’s getting old friends. Getting real old.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
LOL @ Post 57. So true!
October 4th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Thanks for the update as always, J-Mac
http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2008m10d2-In-Tom-Cable-we-trust-Not-just-for-the-offensive-line-anymore#comments
October 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
JERRY said:
“Kiffin was critical of Javon Walker, but I never heard him say he didn’t want to sign him. He never said that I can recall that he didn’t want DeAngelo Hall, and he never directly said he didn’t agree with the signing of Tommy Kelly.”
Sorry sir, but you completely misinterpreted what Davis’ letter said.
In the letter, Davis stated to Kiffin:
“”…you were explicit in your desire to sign Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall amongst others. All were a must to sign in your eyes, Hall in particular,”
Kiffin never said “I didn’t WANT to sign Walker and Hall, Davis says Kiffin INSISTED ON IT.
Any thoughts?
October 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/04/SPLP13AQCL.DTL
“So many times, guys get that first head coaching job, and all of a sudden, they wake up a week later and say, ‘Wow, I’m the head coach. I must be special.’ And you’re not,” Cable said. “I was young then. I was 34 years old and, at that age, pretty much we all think we have all the answers and you can’t tell us any different. “So you learn from it.”
October 4th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
“You take Rich Gannon’s criticisms to heart because it sincerely pains him to see the Raiders in their current state.”
No and no.
I don’t take his critisisms to heart because he’s a bitter man whose excellent performamces have been relegated to the so what pile. Never won the big one and can’t let it go…
I’m not usre if it pains him to see Oakland sucking at all.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“That’s a Davis staple _ when a player isn’t great, it’s usually the fault of the coach, not the player.”
Alot of times, yeah.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
TYVON!!!
October 4th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Nnamdi, the most important postion is the quarterback. Without Gannon, no Superbowl appearance. I don’t know how you can dis Gannon. He was the heart of the team.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Read the postnext time.
“I don’t take his critisisms to heart because he’s a bitter man whose excellent performamces have been relegated to the so what pile. Never won the big one and can’t let it go…”
I may have mispelled some but I clearly stated “his excellent performances”
Tell me his legacy wouldn’t have been different if they gone to 3 super bowls and maybe actually won some of them.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Branch is really, really awesome. This guy makes other players look like they are jogging as he blows past them.
He’s a big hitter and he should be pretty good for us.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Vandy gets its first win vs a ranked team since the ’50s!
They beat #13 Auburn
October 4th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
# Cable In Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/04/SPLP13AQCL.DTL
“So many times, guys get that first head coaching job, and all of a sudden, they wake up a week later and say, ‘Wow, I’m the head coach. I must be special.’ And you’re not,” Cable said. “I was young then. I was 34 years old and, at that age, pretty much we all think we have all the answers and you can’t tell us any different. “So you learn from it.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What does this comment say about what he really felt towards Kiffin?
Things that make you say, hmmmmm…
October 4th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
You guys must be watching USC vs Ducks
October 4th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
why does the pro al the scumbag crowd keep bashing Kiffin.you all got your wish-the man has been fired and no longer works for the Raiders.move on!
October 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
MrSalamander Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
No surprise here: Despite all the evidence to the contrary, people like OakGlenn are still unflappable.
“Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
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I don’t even know what this guy is saying. Classic talking loud and saying nothing.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE PRO AL TO NOT LIKE THE WAY KIFFIN HANDLED HIMSELF AND THE WHOLE SITUATION. THIS HAS BEEN UGLY FROM ALL ANGELS
October 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Because the ****sucker never gave us any answers to Davis’ claims.
If you READ Kiffin’s prior statements to the press, they don’t hold water and support Davis’ allegations.
From this a conclusion can be made that Kiffin was an immature lying nut job.
There, so over it.
Moving on…
October 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
HOWS JAVON?!
Tellin’ ya, with him participating in full games? Completely different passing offense.
IF he makes the field for more than part of the 1st quarter.
Wonder if that was Kiffin or Walker?
October 4th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I do believe Walker can still be good if he can stay healthy. I just hope he is healthy after the bye week.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
RaiderKen Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Oakglenn
Why does it seem Al always wants to go with an Offensive line coach? Shell 2x, Bugel, Callahan, and I think White were all Line coaches. Now Cable. Do they have a better rapport with the players?
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Great question. The offensive linemen are the leaders of your team. Normally. If they aren’t they should be. John Madden also came from an offensive line background. John used to say when he got in a sad or bad mood he would just go hang out with the Olinemen. He said he just felt better hanging out with those big ugly guys. Don’t kid yourself, the leaders of those recent excellent New England Patriot teams isn’t Tom Brady. Everyone thinks it’s Brady. It’s their Olinemen. Those are the leaders of that team over there. The good news Ken, is obviously Cable has the attention of the leaders of his team. What Cables job is right now, is to convince the rest of the Raider team how he’s gonna make all those guys not only better players, but better men. They’ve seen what he’s done with his unit, so he has some pretty solid cred.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Kiffin was 5-15. Kiffins offense didn’t do sh**. In the last two games I think Kiffin got like 3 first downs TOTAL in the 2nd half. Kiffin made a huuuuuge mess of some internal affairs and then lied about it. Those are the facts. And guys like MR think we should buy him a present and give him more responsibility.
October 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Well Nnamdi when you call a grand total of 3 passing plays in the 2nd half of games, I can’t imagine that was Javon not calling for the ball.
October 4th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
K-Rock post 70….i was thinking the same thing man.
October 4th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Jerry, can you stop bagging on the raiders and al? Morer and more you are sounding like a gloom and doom guy. do an article on cable or javon or something relating to the current roster.
October 4th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Dougsidious says its over its done move on and all the best for Cabel.
October 4th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I think it’s time sports take the guaranteed contract down a level. When we, the avg guy on the street, go to work we dont get guaranteed employment. Why should these yoyo’s get it. I can understand it from a player perspective to some extent but i could never understand from a non-player standpoint. Coaches should be paid based on performance. They dont have to worry about injuries.
October 4th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
– For the Raiders offense to change, here’s where JaMarcus Russell needs to make his biggest improvement _ the Raiders are completing an NFL-low 12.9 percent of their third-down passes for first downs.
Yep. Brett Favre says 3rd downs are where NFL QBs earn their money. Of course, play calling has an influence on success as well.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
SECTION 226 Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE PRO AL TO NOT LIKE THE WAY KIFFIN HANDLED HIMSELF AND THE WHOLE SITUATION. THIS HAS BEEN UGLY FROM ALL ANGELS
What do the Angels have to do with it? They’re in Anaheim and play baseball.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
It’s very likely Al Davis will die before the team plays in the Superbowl. Just whine, Baby! sic transit gloria mundi
October 4th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
I wonder who this Mystery executive is, that Al was talking about on Tuesday 9/30. I think the Bay Area writers know more about this than they are letting on.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Oakglenn, still trying to steer the obvious majority of Raider fans into believing Al didn’t screw things up with Kiffin? It’s a tough job, isn’t it? Anyhow, carry on.
October 4th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Finzel, come on. Not you of all people. Do you honestly believe this mystery executive exists?
October 4th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Finzel Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
I wonder who this Mystery executive is, that Al was talking about on Tuesday 9/30. I think the Bay Area writers know more about this than they are letting on.
Lombardi.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:10 am
r8erkrazy Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
mr go hump your sister.
my sister puts on a strap on and rams me up the azz
October 5th, 2008 at 12:10 am
r8erkrazy Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
mr go hump your sister.
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my sister puts on a strap on and rams me up the azz
October 5th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Dennis Green
October 5th, 2008 at 1:32 am
“They are who we thought they were!!!!!” Dennis Green
Our new headcoach…..Maybe..
October 5th, 2008 at 1:45 am
This is one of the few blogs by Jerry that I agree with appro. 98% of what was written. Everyone I talked to in the HQ strongly agreed with Cable selection.
He is what they called “the man for the job”. Mora Jr. asked what took so long? He’s a guy trying desparately to prove he belongs, but a football coach who has been prepared for the position and is finally getting his opportunity to execute what he’s been prepared to do. Big difference. I saw Nnamdi on Jim Rome and was pleasently surprise by his optimism and receptiveness to Cable. He seems eager to play for him. This IMO is HUGE because others will see that in Nnamdi and respond to it.
It’s starting to look like Big Al REALLY lucked out
that this guy was on staff to chose from. Even Jerry sees it as a step from Kiffin even though he doesn’t make it obvious.
Mr Davis may have never given this guy a chance had he not had the opportunity to see him up close and personal. Thanks Kiffin! sometimes you may walk in the wrong door, but find just what you’re looking for when you get in the room. It seems that Mr Davis has stumbled upon just what he was looking for right under his nose in amongst his own mess.
Sometimes the girl we need is one standing there while looking about for someone that excites the eyes ie; skin deep beauty with no substance.
When Sapp said the defense they were working was scrapped that was probably early in Rob-O’s time here when Mr Davis was not as confident in Ryan’s decision making. I would be shocked if it were in the last 3 or 4 years if it happened at all.
Mr Davis’ tendency to hold onto great players a few years too long is one of my pet peeves with him over the years. Sometimes he just wont let go. Tim Brown was here too long so was Mike Haynes and several others. But if he gets someone young who has that same
ability he will move on replacing them sooner. But that rarely happens right away.
Jerry is exactly right about the approach you musttake with him in terms of showing as to the moves you want to make and not try to make a public spectical of it, you simply have to reason with him and not just do things without showing reasonable cause. He’s nt stupid and he wants to win. Once you gain his confidence as Ryan has moves are much easier to make.
Kiffin simply never attempted to do this, he didn’t care what Al thought he just did it, well the results are probably not exactly what he expected, then again maybe they are.
Good riddance!! now we have a guy that appears to be what we should’ve gotten from the beginning, we took the circuitous route but hopefully we’ve arrived at the desired destination after all.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Let’s mention something positive:
The following players are doing a good job, better than expected:
1) Turdell Sands
2) G. Warren
3) K. Edwards
4) Mario Henderson
5) Johnnie Lee Higgins
October 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Every new coach we get (after Al boots the last one) will seemingly lead us back to glory. Cable seems o.k., I like Cable…..I just don’t think he’s better than any of the other guys who FAILED because of the “dysfunction” that permiates our franchise.
October 5th, 2008 at 1:54 am
Correction; Kiffin was a guy desparate trying to prove he belonged (thus the constant passing the buck, and wild accusations), but Cable is a guy who has been prepared for the job and hopefully that preparation has met opportunity. He seems to have prepared for THIS opportunity. He has always been a Raider at heart now he is HRIC (Head Raider in charge).
October 5th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Copenhagen, most everyone I talked to suggested the team needed this guy, I think we lucked out.
Simply because this is his dream job and the preparation is key. It just might work. We’ll see.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:00 am
Kiffin was the guy who Al Davis picked to lead us to glory, just like all of the others.
BHP you make it sound like it’s some calculated plan by Al Davis, that Cable was being groomed for this job?
To Kiffin’s credit, he did more than any of the other coaches since Gruden.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:01 am
BHP..I’ll give you this. Hiring Cable as our O-Line coach was the best thing we’ve done in years. He has done an amazing job as line coach!
And when he talks, he SOUNDS like a real football coach. Let’s hope he can get it done!
October 5th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Everyone calls what Davis does dysfunctional. And to them it is. But it’s just another way of doing things. I’ve never looked at it any other way because I grew up watching it.
Every say’s the way KC and SD do it is the right way, well what’s it gotten them? They haven’t won a thing in two generations. Just I say the right way is what wins………………period.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:04 am
And I agree that Cable is the right move for the Raiders right now because he carries on our scheme and is more qualified than the others on the current coaching staff.
I just hope that he can massage Al Davis enough to keep his job and keep the focus on winning games.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:06 am
I’m tired, and not delivering my thoughts well.
The right way, is whatever wins………going to bed, adios.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:09 am
BHP..in the old days, we had 3 coaches that could deal with Al and bought into the way he wanted things done.
Madden and Flores, and then Art Shell (almost).
After the West Coast offense began to take over the league, with the 49′er, Dallas, Green Bay and Denver all winning a lot of super bowls, the Raiders failed to change their game. Each coach wanted to change things, but never had the green light to do it and we never could match the drafting and signing of new players with the implementation of the schemes. This is why we have lost over the last many years, with a little hole of light during Gruden’s time. Gruden could actually deal with Al….until the end.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Copenhagen, you took as that way, I was saying just the opposite. Davis never knew Cable prior to his coming here. So how could it be calculated?
Mr Davis got lucky, I said as much in my earlier post.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:12 am
we need some luck for once.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Copenhagen, first of all Dallas has never run the WCO. And further more Davis went the WCO in the eighties which is a little known fact. When he brought in Mike White to help Art Shell.
He hired Mike Shananhan specifically to run the very same offense we’re presently running right now. But fired him prematurely IMO. I thought it was a mistake then and I still do.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:17 am
As a matter a fact I talked to Mike White prior to Art Shell getting fired and told him that I hoped he would take over and run the offense he ran at Cal Berkeley some years earlier.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:21 am
You’re right, Dallas actually ran kind of a Old San Diego offense…..they just had the best offensive line in the NFL, Aikman, Emmett and Irvin so it worked ha ha
Sid Gillman offense embraced by Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese
October 5th, 2008 at 2:22 am
Correction it was in the early nineties when Mike White was hired to help change the offense. When Shell was fired he was hired to fully implement his offense.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:23 am
How cool would it be if we could protect the QB?
October 5th, 2008 at 2:25 am
By the way, I add Robert Gallery to the list of players that are coming through!
Bush and McFadden are also coming through and delivering the goods. Too bad McFadden is hurt.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:29 am
OK let’s face it….we’ve been DOMINATING on defense in the first half of games. We’ve been crushing the opposition and shutting EVERYTHING down.
What are the reasons for the tanking in the 4th?
Lack of success by the offense?
Conservative defensive playcalling?
Players out of shape?
Losing attitude?
October 5th, 2008 at 2:30 am
It’s up to Cable and Knapp to get it done. Russell has inlimited potential, but it has to be utilized in a well thought out scheme to take advantage of what he does well right now. Then as he gets better you open things up to fully implement the playbook and this can happen faster than what we saw from Kiffin.
The coaches we have are pros, proven guy’s that have experience gameplanning and calling plays and they work well together. If only Kiffin had taken more advantage of their experience.
Well enough of that, onward and upward…right.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Tanking in the 4th IMO was due to the offense leaving the defense out on the field too long, by not sustaining drives. The playcalling in the 4th has been horrendous. AS a result the defense goes into a protect mode instead of continuing to attack in order to try and protect the lead. That has never worked in this league to a great degree. Only on teams that run the ball consistently well played dominant defense in the second half. Something we couldn’t do and Kiffin knew this, yet he would constantly try to do it. IMO to try and expose Ryan as inept. When his offense never showed anything worth shouting about.
He needed to do everything possible to help take pressure off the defense. Stay on the attack, even Daunte Culpepper said he felt theyn never attacked anybody. Yet Kiffin would always caste blame at the defense as a smoke screen. The entire TEAM was at fault. When is the last time we scored in the 30’s on OFFENSE with no help from the defense. Not since Gannon was here.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:45 am
If we could get our offense going, we can unleash our D, and put the heat on without thinking we’ll lose the game with one defensive error.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:49 am
Cope, I’ve been saying that for two years. They both need each other to be successful on a consistent basis.
I’m delirious right now. going to bed.
Adios.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:57 am
The last 2 years, we’ve been trying to minimize the self destruction rutine on offense. We can see that minimizing turnovers and penalties has made us more competitive. But we can’t close it out and win consistently…..we’re going to have to turn it up.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:01 am
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October 5th, 2008 at 3:15 am
10 hours and 7 days till game time!!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 3:16 am
BHP, I’m glad Kiffin’s gone, too. But I’m wondering who we’re going to blame for the losing now. My sights are on Knapp.
October 5th, 2008 at 3:20 am
I’m fired up! 10 hours and 7 days till the Cable era begins! I see shades of Madden in him. Especially in the gut.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:42 am
Oak, how about we blame the dam boomers.
They are getting the blame for everything else.
Tag them with this one too.
If it wasnt for the dam boomers rooting for Al, The Raiders would have won at least 5 more stuporbowl championships.
October 5th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Until the kiss *ss Rob Ryan is fired, the Raiders won’t win.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:51 am
“The contracts ARE guaranteed. To get paid you don’t have to win, Just don’t do anything stupid. Kiffin did a lot of stupid things. They will probably settle out of court for some “undisclosed” amount.”
Al Davis will spend 5 million in legal fee’s to keep from paying Kiffin 1 million. Settle? Not in AD’s vocabulary. Just ask Shanahan…..he’s still waiting to get paid.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:59 am
“Tanking in the 4th IMO was due to the offense leaving the defense out on the field too long, by not sustaining drives. The playcalling in the 4th has been horrendous.”
JR is a rookie QB. He’s going to make drive killing mistakes. Can’t hang that on a HC. And what happened to the running game in the second half of both those games? Can’t hang that on the HC either.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:11 am
sr-raderfan1 says,
“And what happened to the running game in the second half of both those games?”
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Justin Fargas was out and DMAC had bad turf toe. That’s where your running game went in the 4th QTR. Bush was okay, but I think he’s more of a complimentary runner at this time. Everyone either forgets or chooses ignore the point on injuries
October 5th, 2008 at 8:14 am
who would you start on your FFL team at QB, Matt Schaub or Jason Campbell??
I need some advise here, i really don’t know..
October 5th, 2008 at 8:19 am
VirginiaRaider Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Dennis Green
He’s too smart to fall into this trap.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Oh, now that u r no longer a Raider u want to talk crap about the Raiders and Al Davis??Like Rod Woodson said” Al davis does not care what you say about him or his team” Now that you are safely REtired Or should I say Retarded ! You are going to talk smack! You are a very sarcastic arrogant person I have some other choice words but won’t say! You even went on dancing w/ the stars and were reported throwing your weight around! I bet people on that show could not wait for u to leave. Like u can dance anyway! So. get off your high horse and keep you mouth shut! Your jus mad cuz u could not retire as a Buc . just remember who signed your paycheck them 4 yrs u were in Oakland!! Again No loyalty! “I always said once a Raider forever a Raider” That motto does not pertain to Ungrates !Oh, and please get off N.F.L access with that goofy look u have. I am use to watching men with class on that show! Re: Mr. Rod Woodson at least he still shows respect toward the Raiders!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Sorrry im so mad i for got to address who i was pertaining to! WAREN SAPP!! i hope u read this!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:29 am
a 75 yard field goal !! com on get real!!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:33 am
no bad words for kawakami? you know that old phrase the truth hurts? obviously the truth that’s getting spilled about the lunacy going on at HQ is bothering some of you.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:39 am
I just want to be clear with the folks who think we are above reproach ….
are u just mad that the dirty laundry is being aired?
when will u start getting mad that we actually have dirty laundry? all the damn time?
or, do you, like Al, and my man BHP, not even see a problem.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:40 am
HRIC? What are you on?
October 5th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Everyone has dirty laundry!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I just hate 2 faced people!!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Oh, just as long as u get a paycheck u keep your mouth shut but afterward’s talk trash! Why be a chicken s - — T! I lost a good job for speaking the truth!I’d do it again!
October 5th, 2008 at 8:51 am
During this past week, Al Davis provided more specificity than ANY of the Raider detractors. Sapp’s recolections are all heresay and BS. Totally discounted.
Al also acknowledged what he has done wrong (coaching hires and draft issues) and his excessive paternalistic loyalty that gets in the way of letting go fading players. That is how 2003 went very wrong.
Our 2006-2008 drafts have improved. What killed this team was from 2002 to 2005 only 27% (nine of 33) of those picks are with the Raiders today. Several of those nine are not starting.
I think Cable was an excellent choice and if we can continue to draft better we will win. That will shut up some of the critics. Let’s face it, alot of people simply hate the Raiders.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:57 am
we need some luck for once. Everyone knows we don’t have what it takes to be a contender.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Blackholepriest Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 2:17 am
As a matter a fact I talked to Mike White prior to Art Shell getting fired and told him that I hoped he would take over and run the offense he ran at Cal Berkeley some years earlier.
Since you seem to know everyone in the orginization why don’t you just go to the top and talk some sense to the old geezer?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Blackholepriest Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 2:49 am
Cope, I’ve been saying that for two years. They both need each other to be successful on a consistent basis.
I’m delirious right now. going to bed.
Adios.
You’re delirious everyday and will be until the tyrant is gone.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 3:15 am
10 hours and 7 days till game time!!!!
Oh goodie! Another embarassing performance.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:14 am
LMN, #130.
Shaub is OUT today due to illness. Go with Campbell.
Good luck.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:17 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:14 am
who would you start on your FFL team at QB, Matt Schaub or Jason Campbell??
I need some advise here, i really don’t know..
Shaub isn’t starting.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
The question of the day –
Will the team show up today in the team bus or in a clown car.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Dakota,
My condolences on your loss.
R.I.P. Cubbies
Go Lakers!
Go Raiders!
October 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am
LDYNBLK 26 Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:29 am
a 75 yard field goal !! com on get real!!
If the would have made it you would be saying what a brilliant idea it was. Uou’re nothing but a hypocondriac.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Everyone has dirty laundry! Our problem is we don’t have a washer and dryer.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Al Davis might well base his “cause” in not paying Kiffin on the coach trying to leave mid-way through the first year on his three year contract to go to Arkansas-something the Raiders didn’t even know about until Jerry Jones told them. Personally, I think he should be paid. It doesn’t encourage other coaches to come and work for the Raiders when coaches are fired and don’t get paid. Kiffin was a good coach but too immature to figure out how to work with Al. You can see from Jerry’s article that Gruden figured out how to handle Al really well.
New Orleans is rated twentieth on stopping the run and 29th on pass defense. We can win this game. It’s time to take the chains off Russell. He’s been coddled enough. Let’s see what he’s got-we already know he’s got a great arm. When we came out passsing in the San Diego game it worked. If Fargas and McFadden are back for New Orleans and we see more passing, we can win that game.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2008 at 9:32 am
LMAO
# LDYNBLK 26 Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Everyone has dirty laundry! Our problem is we don’t have a washer and dryer.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Ron we have a bye today. Seems like you are the driver of the “clown car” Ron.
# Ron Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
The question of the day –
Will the team show up today in the team bus or in a clown car.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Ron Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
The question of the day –
Will the team show up today in the team bus or in a clown car.
A clown car. Why would they change their MO?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:40 am
LDYNBLK 26, there is a reason that you are wearing black. Al Davis buried your team 2 decades ago.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Wakeup Charlie, smell the coffee and put down the koolaid. Sapp is telling us what goes on in Alameda. Its the worse run franchise in ALL of sports.
Charlie Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:51 am
During this past week, Al Davis provided more specificity than ANY of the Raider detractors. Sapp’s recolections are all heresay and BS. Totally discounted.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am
I’ve never jones’ed as hard for a game than I am today. I like what I see of Cabel I hope he sticks. iuc
October 5th, 2008 at 9:45 am
WE HAVE A BYE TODAY!!! ARE YOU PEOPLE HANDICAPPED ??????
# In Too Deep Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am
I’ve never jones’ed as hard for a game than I am today. I like what I see of Cabel I hope he sticks. iuc
October 5th, 2008 at 9:48 am
no sh*t shirlock thats why I’m “JONESING” DFWMAH
October 5th, 2008 at 9:48 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:14 am
who would you start on your FFL team at QB, Matt Schaub or Jason Campbell??
I need some advise here, i really don’t know..
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LMN, Schaub is out today…
October 5th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Jerry, please clean up the typo’s. “Hole” shuld have been spelled with a “W” and there are some spacing issues. Sorry. Just want to help you be all you can be…
October 5th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Dakota,
My condolences on your loss.
R.I.P. Cubbies
Go Lakers!
Go Raiders!
______________________________________
screw the Cubs, it is LAKERS SEASON!
October 5th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Charlie Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 8:51 am
During this past week, Al Davis provided more specificity than ANY of the Raider detractors. Sapp’s recolections are all heresay and BS. Totally discounted.
Charlie I doubt if you’ve even been on a football team let alone know anything about the disfunction that goes on in this orginization.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Lincoln Kennedy said sapp is full of it. He is 1000 times more credible than Mr. Look at me Dance….
October 5th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Kennedy = smart
Sapp = not so smart
October 5th, 2008 at 9:56 am
In Too Deep,
So, you’re jonesing for something that isnt going to happen, get a life.
The best part is “you like what you see in cable”.
LMAO
What have you seen from Cable ? His mid section ?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:57 am
pre seaon game on tuesday. how long before LO is traded already? no way we start 3 7 footers, and no way we bring a 16 million dollar player off the bench, right?
October 5th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Cable has more chins than a Hong Kong phone book…
October 5th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Jhill,
LO will start and play just fine at SF…don’t worry about it.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:01 am
no more infield Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Lincoln Kennedy said sapp is full of it. He is 1000 times more credible than Mr. Look at me Dance….
nmi, there’s a reason that LK has that big gap between his teeth.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Laker fans take heart…at least we are not Warrior fans, right Mista?
October 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:56 am
In Too Deep,
So, you’re jonesing for something that isnt going to happen, get a life.
The best part is “you like what you see in cable”.
LMAO
What have you seen from Cable ? His mid section ?
LMAO!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
jhill Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:57 am
pre seaon game on tuesday. how long before LO is traded already? no way we start 3 7 footers, and no way we bring a 16 million dollar player off the bench, right?
Are you talking about the Raiders? Somebody better tell them the regular season has already started.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Mrc, I think you might be confusing Michael Strahan with Lincoln Kennedy. The latter has perfectly fine teeth. If you’re going to be snarky, at least know what you’re talking about.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Mr Davis is blessed to have some of the most gullible and braindead fans in the NFL.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Hey Dakota…..
Where is my case of Conoras Bytch!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:08 am
HAHA
# no more infield Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Cable has more chins than a Hong Kong phone book…
October 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Blog post of the year # 176
Rack me Jerry.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am
That ‘Chins in a Hong Kong phone book’ line was/is a Joan Rivers joke, by the way. Circa 1985 or so.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Chaos, congrats on the Dodgers…they still won’t win the Ws….GO TB Rays!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I won 5K on the sweep.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Got great odds.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:13 am
And its still funny.
# SmartGuy Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am
That ‘Chins in a Hong Kong phone book’ line was/is a Joan Rivers joke, by the way. Circa 1985 or so.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:13 am
The Dodgers are actually my second favorite baseball team…but I know they don’t have the pitching to go all the way.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:15 am
To try to put things in perspective, I have always been a supporter of Al Davis. I have defended him against what I believed were scurrilous accusations. But with more and more criticism coming forth from ex-Raider organization personnel (willing to identify themselves)I am convinced that Al Davis has lost his edge. He needs to hire the right people under him to run the program. Get a good man to hold the “General Manager” position. Reorganize the personnel department. Improve the college scouting department and the pro football souting department.
I have been to 2 Raider Super Bowl vistories. But that is in the past. I want to feel good about our prospects not just our past. The last 6 years have put a tarnish on those trophies. We have to establish a good foundation and go from there.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Hey i have read on a few occasions that people search for all of the news and notes on the Raiders. Thought I would share this for those of youwho did not know. I have used for 4-5 years now.
http://www.raidernews.com/x/
October 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Mistabrown Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Mr Davis is blessed to have some of the most gullible and braindead fans in the NFL.
LMAO
October 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Does Fernando still play for the Dodgers?
October 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Just giving credit where it’s due, lest somebody come away thinking it was a Mistabrown original. Surely you wouldn’t want that, would you?
October 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Fernandomania! Go Blue!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Yeah he pitches next week.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
come on home dakota … the cubbies will always be, well th cubbies.
now the Azul on the other hand? just think about when Kemp, Loney, Eithier, Martin, Kershaw, and Billingsley actually know what they are doing. they’re all sooo young.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I would love to have a 45 minute sit down with Warren Sapp.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Just for today my two favorite football teams are Miami and Tampa Bay.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
SmartGuy Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:10 am
That ‘Chins in a Hong Kong phone book’ line was/is a Joan Rivers joke, by the way. Circa 1985 or so.
That makes it all the more fitting.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Acutally, I should have said ‘a no more infield’ original. My mistake. Carry on….
October 5th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Mr. Davis’s only true genius anymore is keeping his band of retard loyalists as consumers. 30,000 or so boneheads shelling out their kids’ college funds for the game tickets and apparel of a team that loses year after year. There’s your “mystique”.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Does Fernando still play for the Dodgers?
No he’s going to be the rader’s ne GM.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Miami’s already looking like a Parcells team. You can see it. They’re just playing tougher football. Wish the Raiders had someone in the front office that knew what they were doing.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Al sucks.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Al’s mystery GM:
Fernando Valenzuela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ohr4P8E_io
October 5th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Chaos Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I would love to have a 45 minute sit down with Warren Sapp.
Be careful what you wish for.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:24 am
OakGlenn, tell us again how LT is leaking oil.
Keep posting lil feller….KEEP POSTING!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:24 am
KC down 7-0 to Car.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Please. I would love to ask dude whats really up. I love his azz! Tells it like it is!
October 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Raiderkoolaid Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Just for today my two favorite football teams are Miami and Tampa Bay.
If I were you I’d make that a permanent situation.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Drinking game:
Every time Joey Porter is called Jerry Porter by the commentators.
What do you say?
Who wants to start early?
October 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am
3-3 SD MIA
October 5th, 2008 at 10:26 am
MistaBrown, LT is one of the best running backs in the league. Every now and then I just say crazy things to make it look like the Raiders aren’t that bad. But we all know they are.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Actually, I take that back. His true genius lies in the antagonizing of people like MR.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I’ll tell you what’s leaking oil; The chance of the Raiders ever having a winning team again.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Oakglenn Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Miami’s already looking like a Parcells team. You can see it. They’re just playing tougher football. Wish the Raiders had someone in the front office that knew what they were doing.
My point exactly.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Warren Sapp said the phone rang and someone told him that it meant they where going deep on the next play. He didn’t say if they actually did go deep on the next play. Warran Sapp likes to hear himself talk.