No sign of Burgess
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, October 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am in Oakland Raiders.
Defensive end Derrick Burgess was not with his teammates when warmups and drills concluded and team sessions began.
Burgess re-injured a triceps injury Monday. Coach Tom Cable said the club was still determining the severity of the injury.
There appeared to be no other glaring omissions.
More to come later . . .
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October 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Man I had some good posts going. Ugh
October 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am
poop
October 9th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Well that’s too bad. But we’ve seen this before. He tends to figure out his injuries himself doesn’t he?
October 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Don’t underestimate not having Burgess in the lineup. Given Ryan’s aversion to blitzing, we rely on Burgess to provide pressure when we only send 4.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am
No Burgess means Jay Richardson & Kalimba Edwards start at DE. not too bad. That also means we can’t use J-Rich at DT when Sands & Kelly are gassed late in the game. Warren probably still isn’t 100% either (yet). I don’t think any of us here want to see Fred Wakefield at DT during any part of Sunday’s game - even as a reserve.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am
to keep the last convo going…
I am a huge Notre Dame fan, I watched all of Brady Quinn’s games, the guy was a great college player. That being said I was relieved that we didn’t get him in the draft. I don’t think he has what it takes to be a great player in the NFL, and I am especially glad we didn’t get him since Kiffin is gone, because with Kiffin goes his west coast offense. Russell looks like he could adapt to any NFL offense, he could stand in the pocket like a Manning, but has wheels like a Big Ben. Now that we are sorting throught the pieces in the aftermath of the Kiffin era, we should all be thankful we have Russell, and not Quinn.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Goon
Agreed we need Veteran WR’s badly. One thing I never see is our wideouts talking to J-Mac after a blown play or a good one. Seems as if there is no communication amongst them. IT KILLS ME! So many young guys who dont talk to each other and ask questions to improve. Ugh!
October 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I think Kalimba and Jay Richardson will be just fine plus Wilson putting pressure on the QB.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
The overall status of the team is still very young and inexperienced. This is not the situation you want if you want to win now. We need some highly talented veterans that already have the know and can still get it done. One area is the WR. I was never sold on J.Walker and Curry’s best years were when he was playing in the slot. We should bring in a Eric Moulds or a Keenan McCardell to push these guy’s and to provide some know how. Let JLH, Walker and Curry compete with somee vets that have actually done a few things in the league. We needs some highly talented vets like we used to get before this youth movement got started.
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i agree, the sad reality of our WR corps is that both starters (Walker & Curry) are the least productive. Walker is one of the top 10 highest paid WR’s in the league! Even a WR corps of Higgins, Lelie, Schilens, Watkins and (Arman Shields, Drisan James or Will Buchanon) would be better than what we’re seeing on the field right now.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Bart
Agreed. I wanted AP but I knew J-Mac was coming. I would have rather had him then Quinn but Quinn made more sense. Did I just confuse myself? lol
October 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
El Dirty,
J-Russ needed to play last year when it was clear the season was over. To hold him back and not let him play the actual position only hinders J-Russ’s progress and lengthens the time the team has to wait for their offensive leader to get ready. All this he’s RAW stuff is a major load of crud. J-Russ was no more RAW than Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. J-Russ is not Steve McNair. McNair went to a D2 college while J-Russ played on the National stage. McNair needed that time on the bench and watered down offense to learn the game at the top level. J-Russ doesn’t have as much a hurdle to overcome. Plain and simple we are behind at the QB position because of Kiffin. Now Kiffin is still calling the J-Russ and saying God-knows what. Just get Kiffin away. Far, Far away Kiffin. Far away.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
BBB..
regarding your answer to if hall folds, I totally agree, RR will look even more stupid, then..
as for your post 6, I agree Russell has the size to be a pocket passer, he has the mobility to move outside the pocket.. so I believe you are right he can play any offense as quinn is QCO kinda QB..
October 9th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Tom Cable will soon find that he is in over his head as Raiders coach and after a few weeks of Al’s increasing meddling as the losses continue he will be looking forward to the end of the season and getting the hell out of Oakland.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hopefully they will slide Richardson over to the left-side, since they have some time to practice that before Sunday. They can start getting ready for life without Burgess.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Kalimba Edwards is a decent pass rusher. He gets lost against the run. Richardson is the opposite. Losing Burgess hurts, but we have to make do with what we have.
We have to pressure brees to have a chance.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:47 am
BBB:
Agreed.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Jerry:
How bout Walker?
October 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Totally agree Dirty, Quinn made way more sense at the time, but he just is not a Raider, I never saw it.
Big Al’s Goon: The difference between Flacco and Ryan compared to Russell: Russell was drafted as a junior, which is still the single-best gauge of how well a Qb performs in the NFL. QB’s drafted as juniors have fared FAR worse than those drafted as seniors. Jam was raw, but we are moving forward now, and Kiffin was right to build up his confidence slowly.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
El Dirty and RaiderRockstar,
I was very hopeful when we first signed J. Walker but as time went on I became less and less optimistic. Walker and Curry need to be pushed and JLH needs to continue to get better. We have an entirely new WR corp on the bench and no-one to push them or to show them how you play WR in this league at a high level. A highly talented vet with a few years left in the tank would help the WR corp and J-Russ tremedously.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Goon
I honestly believe J-Mac was more of a product of having great WR’s in college. I also believe he would have gotten hurt or murdered last year. The only reason our sack count lowered last year was because Mclown ran for his life. If J-Mac was there for the beginning of training camp and everything else I would have had the same train of thought. But tell me this doesn’t it seem as if J-Mac still hasn’t learned the playbook. I’m just saying its either him or the wideouts.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:54 am
They already have a highly talented vet showing the WR’s how to play in this league, his name is James Lofton. They need to start building chemistry between Russell and the WR’s that are still gonna be here in two or three years.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Walker and Curry need to be pushed on the bench. Raiders need to go out and find a competent veteran receiver or make a trade for a great receiver.
Our receiving corps is an embarrassment right now
October 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
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October 9th, 2008 at 11:57 am
El Dirty,
Russell has no primary receiver to throw to. His tight end is held back in pass protection because of our “tender to the touch” offensive tackles. Hell, look at how “average” Peyton Manning looks with his battered o-line. A QB needs a supporting cast.
Our supporting cast is very, very limited
October 9th, 2008 at 11:57 am
They need a talented and young WR like Boldin, or Crabtree, then they just need to let the other youngsters develop. Higgins is already showing promise now that he wiped that deer-in-the-headlights look off his face. Shields and Schilens could be decent if they are given time and reps.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Different Offense when Walker is in.
Man they looked good on their opening drive against SD.
it would be nice to get someon who could add quality for more than a handful of plays though…
October 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Arman “Spiderman” Shields could be VERY good if he can stay healthy. Great hands, good routes and instincts.
October 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
BBB,
I understand what your trying to sell but it’s week 6 of J-Russ’s second year in the League and we still don’t know what we have in J-Russ other than what we already knew when we drafted him. Big, mobile with a big arm. Other than that we still don’t know much about him. You have to let QB’s take their lumps and learn the ropes. All this stuff about confidence being loss doesn’t fly. If J-Russ’s confidence is that fragile then he would never make it in the NFL anyway. Better to find out now then two or three years down the line.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
BBB..
exactly.. Russell was a junior, and Flacco and Ryan isn’t thats why I said Russell was more raw.. but overall a better choice given the time.. thats why he was eased in.. I simply can’t understand why so many raider fans doesn’t realize that..
October 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
From Fox Sports -
The Raiders worked out three defensive ends Wednesday: Jason Babin, Patrick Chukwurah and Brent Hawkins, as the triceps injury to Derrick Burgess must not be getting any better. This game against the Saints is not the game to be missing your best pass rusher. — National Football Post
October 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Imagine what we would be saying about JRuss had Miller not slipped on that route in the end zone.
Russell will be fine once he gets some help. Some of that help is coming this week with Fargas and a healthy DMAC.
Sh&t, any QB would struggle with the receivers and offensive tackles we have out there.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Nnamdi21,
Arman Shields was a TERRRIBLE pick! We had no business drafting a player that couldn’t help us, and we knew his knee was hurt.
Stupid pick for the 2008 season
October 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
S&B
Agreed I have been stressing the WR situation. The only thing we have now is the hope they pogress each week.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
texguy Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
From Fox Sports -
The Raiders worked out three defensive ends Wednesday: Jason Babin, Patrick Chukwurah and Brent Hawkins, as the triceps injury to Derrick Burgess must not be getting any better. This game against the Saints is not the game to be missing your best pass rusher. — National Football Post
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Who are those guys? Better off sticking to the players we got.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
BBB..
exactly.. Russell was a junior, and Flacco and Ryan isn’t thats why I said Russell was more raw.. but overall a better choice given the time.. thats why he was eased in.. I simply can’t understand why so many raider fans doesn’t realize that.
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Exactly.
Russell was never meant to be the over night messiah.
Never forced to be accurate in college and only had the one good year.
Kiffin’s dink dunk check down offense only helped him especially considering our piss poor tackles protection.
Forced J to be a little more accurate and work on touch.
In college he did have wide outs who ran down errant balls. In the NFL DB’s are so fast and good that stuff rarely cuts it.
Unless your Green Bay with Brett Favre.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Kiffin never emphasized the passing game, never considered going to WR’s. Flatly said it could not be done. His whole teaching emphasized Dump-offs to the backs. Of course there’s no chemistry. Plus Drew Carter out/ Curry??????wtf.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
32nd
My prediction for Sunday:
40 runs (Fargas 20 100 yds DMAC 10-12 80yds MBUSH 8-10 50yds )
20 passes (JRUSS 14-20) 220 yds
October 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
going to lunch be back soon good posts today… NO TROLLING!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
BBB,
James Lofton is a WR’s coach. Major differnce between a coach only talking about what he use to do and a highly talented vet talking and showing you by example. Also another thing Lofton can’t do, provide some much needed production at the WR position. This WR’s will develop two or three year down the line stuff is for the unforseen future. We need players that can play now at high level and can show the young and developing how to get the job done.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Off-topic….Pacman Jones must have some mental problems. Seriously. Like bi-polar or anger mgt…something…how can a guy so willingly throw away his career.
You know life isn’t fair. You have thousands of guys that would have busted their behind to get a tenth of a shot that Pacman has gotten. Ridiculous
October 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
S&B Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Nnamdi21,
Arman Shields was a TERRRIBLE pick! We had no business drafting a player that couldn’t help us, and we knew his knee was hurt.
Stupid pick for the 2008 season
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We had Carter Curry and Walker. Seemed like we could bring him along slowly. That was always the plan I think.
Michael Bush 2008 = Arman Shields 2009.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Big Al’s Goon,
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. But it is a very fine line, between babying a QB and battering a QB, that is for sure. But the good news is that the kid gloves are off now, and Jam has had 6 full games to build him up. We’ll see what happens, he might have more to learn, or he might be flying out of the gate, either way he will be at the top soon enough, and I think Kiff was starting slacken the leash anyway.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Guys have to layoff Russell. First off, he has the right demeanor and a great attitude. Second, he is playing what is a rookie season. Third, he has no WR talent and the tight end has to block too much. Fourth, he hasn’t been given a reliable o-line. Finally, he hasnt been given too many opportuntiies to put up big numbers(we do have a good running game)
Let the guy develop and please LET HIM MAKE HIS SHARE OF MISTAKES IF THEY COME.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
BBB:
Gloves may be off on Russell, but he’s very green SIX games? Hardly enough to make him viable.
Shows a lot of “rookie” traits.
Has a tell when under center. Occasionally gets s rolling start or leans away from center just b-4 the snap. Locks onto receivers, doesn’t make proper reads, has no sense of urgency under pressure, little pocket feel and of course accuracy and touch.
All things to be expected from a guy so green and none of them the kiss of death. More minor tweaks and things that will come with experience and time.
Not a game dominating QB yet, but man, he shows signs of being a great leader / QB.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Nnamdi21,
I don’t share your optimism with Shields. A mid round pick from 1AA. I don’t think we are good enough to be taking chances on injured players fitting this profile. Even with Drew Carter, we should have been looking at other positions to find depth. A defensive tackle or end in the 4th round would have been nice
October 9th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Well Big Al, that’s what Walker was supposed to be, so we are gonna have to live with that now. I don’t think we need vets just for the sake of experienced players though, we need productive players that are on the younger side, because this team is rebuilding, lets face it.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
s & b 43, excellent
we should draft o-line and WR’s this upcoming draft
Wr in the 1st. o-line in the 2nd & 3rd. Cable can pick the tackles he feels can be starters right away in the ZBS he installed. Hopefully he doesn’t stay committed to Harris at LT if he underachives, like Shell stayed committed to Gallery at LT in 2006. yowsa
October 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
S&B Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Off-topic….Pacman Jones must have some mental problems. Seriously. Like bi-polar or anger mgt…something…how can a guy so willingly throw away his career.
You know life isn’t fair. You have thousands of guys that would have busted their behind to get a tenth of a shot that Pacman has gotten. Ridiculous
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This one may or may not have been his fault but at least no one got shot in the spine.
Judging Dallas, I doubt anything even happens to him.
F’in Tennessee isn’t missing him too much I think. Courtland Finnegan looks like an awesome DB.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Burgess sucks. He makes me sick. Jay Richardson is LDE and can play the run. I need my best pass rusher to come from the right side
October 9th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Brian, now that’s not nice to say, he doesn’t suck, just been hurt
October 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
s & b 43, excellent
we should draft o-line and WR’s this upcoming draft
Wr in the 1st. o-line in the 2nd & 3rd. Cable can pick the tackles he feels can be starters right away in the ZBS he installed. Hopefully he doesn’t stay committed to Harris at LT if he underachives, like Shell stayed committed to Gallery at LT in 2006. yowsa
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WR’s in the 1st? Not if it was anything like this years crop o’ wide outs!
I havffe no idea if there are some serious 1st round WR’s that are gonna be there next year, but I think a proven vet might be in order…
far as Tackle I say move Harris to RT and install Henderson.
Seriously, a few missed blocks against the Bills late, but all in all, an impressive debut.
One thing some people missed is how the line seemed to gel with him in there.
Gallery took him under his wing and helped him onthe field during games and that helped Gallery focus too…
October 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Agreed about Burgess,Brien!
and why the hell are the Raiders looking at short term solutions at DE, when we only have 3 DT’s on the roster. Edwards and Scott are gonna be way more effective than some cast-offs that don’t know the system. Forget Burgess, we need to make room for a 4th DT on this roster.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
RaiderRockstar,
I agree with your post but would modify slightly. I would be okay with the Raiders getting a proven receiver via trade or free agency. Roy Williams, T.J Houshminzada (spelling) or even Ocho Cinco and using our 1st pick to grab an o-tackle or great young defensive talent (linebacker or defensive end)
October 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
BBB,
We definitely will have to agree to disagree but look at it like this in order for J-Russ to be the best QB he can he is going to have to gain experience by playing the position. With the headed mosnster backfield that we have J-Russ could hand-off the ball almost every play but will that improve J-Russ as a QB? Of course J-Russ has more to learn, alot to learn infact. But we as fans have to be patient with him just like Colt fan was patient with P. Manning. But when you see a coach deliberately not allowing a QB to play QB, crippling his progress and learning all the while continuing to lose games; that coach has to go and that QB needs to play. J-Russ needs to be knocked down a few times. He also needs to throw a few int’s so he can learn from his mistakes.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
N21: everybody seems sold on this Crabtree kid and it sounds like he’ll be a 1st round talent
October 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
0525………..Burgess is a one dimensional player who gets worn down and injured too much. A LDE needs to be able to play the damn run. J-Rich wont put any damn pressure onthe QB but he will stop the run. Brien is the name, I know e and a are quite confusing since they are vowels but try a little harder to get my name right
October 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
S&B Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Nnamdi21,
Arman Shields was a TERRRIBLE pick! We had no business drafting a player that couldn’t help us, and we knew his knee was hurt.
Stupid pick for the 2008 season
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We had Carter Curry and Walker. Seemed like we could bring him along slowly. That was always the plan I think.
Michael Bush 2008 = Arman Shields 2009.
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I totally agree, Shields could be the ‘09 Bush, but I like Chaz more, and that 4th round pick could have been used on a MLB, but then again, a bunch of the rookie LB who does well were undrafted.. I still like the shields pick because of what he might give us, I see an amani toomer in him..
October 9th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Just thought I’d drop by to let you all know I’m a ****gobbling tool box.
Is secretly wish Al hadn’t fired me for hitting on him.
Broncos suck and I’m am gay.
That it all.
Much love hugs and kisses, your bony jerky mummy.
Shanny
October 9th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Rockstar- Crabtree is unreal
October 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
N21: everybody seems sold on this Crabtree kid and it sounds like he’ll be a 1st round talent
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Thnaks RR I’ll scheck it oot!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
So will Harris and Green actually block this week?
October 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
LMN:
RIGHT ON!!!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
dump Fred Wakefield and Rashad Baker!
resign DT William Joseph and Dylan Gandy (Guard from Broncos - cut last week)
October 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Broncos suck.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
So busted!
I thought the Shanny the Tranny post would be funny.
I’m freaking out over the Saints game. Man, I hope we post the “W”!!!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I would like to see them sign Babin out of those three..
October 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
The Raiders will probably not sign another D-lineman.
It looks like it is up to practice squad players to fill in if necessary. Mauricio Lopez, Derrick Gray and Greysun Grunheim
October 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Brien(Goes to home games) Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
So will Harris and Green actually block this week
Hope Harris fall down go boom. Nothing major, seems like a decent human but Henderson played better.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
BBB,
Walker was brought here to resurrect his luke-warm to cold carreer. Walker may have played at a high level maybe one or two years, only. There isn’t much Walker could show anyone and let’s face it who would go to Walker for WR advise anyway, Walker is a nobody, average to below average at best.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Watch Wakefiled have a career game.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
And by career I mean 2 tackles and a pressure.
*sigh*
October 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Regarding Chaz, Al Davis don’t play rookies.
Dow Jones below 9,000.
It was above 11,000 when Clinton left office 8 years ago.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Peace bretheren!
I’m outy!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
dump Fred Wakefield and Rashad Baker!
resign DT William Joseph and Dylan Gandy (Guard from Broncos - cut last week)
I agree with this suggestion….it was a bad move to cut Joseph…
October 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Yvonne Walker was a bad pick for the amount of money the Raiders paid him. Period. Now if his contract wasn’t so large I would have a different opinion of Yvonne.
Yvonne needs to step the “f” up starting this week. Kiffin is gone, Davis loves him, and Cable says we are throwing more.
I want to see separation, I want him to “dominate” his the Saints secondary. I want him to attract double teams. That’s what Yvonne is being paid for!!!!!!!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Walker wasn’t my choice, you are preaching to the choir Big Al’s Goon. Take it up with your boss. But productive, veteran recievers don’t grow on trees, you have to draft and develop great WR’s. The only WR’s available on the FA market and for trades, usually have a major weakness or two.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Arman Shields hasn’t even gotten a chance to play and people are saying he was a terrible pick. If it wasn’t for the emergence of Todd Watkins, and Chaz, Shields would be on the roster now.
All the coaches say he looks good, and he may be the steal of the draft. Wait until you see him.
Ricky Brown, Trevor Scott(3-4), Kalimba Edwards(3-4), and Tyvon Branch (big Nickel), and Alston give the Raiders enough options at LB.
Sam Williams is a waste of a good roster spot. I would like to see Brandon Moore instead of him.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
We dont need to draft Wr next yr we can give Lelie & Carter 1 yr contracts and let them compete with Walker, Higgins, Curry , Shields, Schilens, Watkins thats 8 quality receivers they will bust their ass off to make the final 5
October 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Regarding Chaz, Al Davis don’t play rookies.
Dow Jones below 9,000.
It was above 11,000 when Clinton left office 8 years ago.
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F’in A. And the budget was BALANCED. ZERO deficit.
Now they revised the debt cap to account for this f’in bail out at our expense.
Debt right now?
$11 TRILLION DOLLARS.
This country has been raped by Republicans.
All the bail out does is make sure the collpse doesn’t come before the elections and allows Bush and his cronies to escape office before the melt down.
Worst criminal organization in history.
Go Raiders!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
we should draft O-LINE…WR’s..AND D LINE.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
we should draft o-line and WR’s this upcoming draft
Wr in the 1st. o-line in the 2nd & 3rd. Cable can pick the tackles he feels can be starters right away in the ZBS he installed. Hopefully he doesn’t stay committed to Harris at LT if he underachives, like Shell stayed committed to Gallery at LT in 2006. yowsa
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Nooooooooo, so much wrong with that post =)..
first.. what makes you think Cable will be here next year? he is going to Seattle.. its better to be an assistant anywhere in the NFL than to be HC in Oakland..
secondly.. WR?!!! in the 1st??? nooo we need defense and preferable a MLB.. thats why our 2nd and 3rd round picks are so important, too important to trade away for “retreads”… Help to our o-line should be added in the FA, then its a proven guy, a guy that we know can.. and we don’t waste a pick on a “might be’s”
October 9th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Dick V:
Ricky Brown’s been pretty solid huh?
Good to hear. I was worried…
October 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
October 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Regarding Chaz, Al Davis don’t play rookies.
Dow Jones below 9,000.
It was above 11,000 when Clinton left office 8 years ago.
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F’in A. And the budget was BALANCED. ZERO deficit.
Now they revised the debt cap to account for this f’in bail out at our expense.
Debt right now?
$11 TRILLION DOLLARS.
This country has been raped by Republicans.
All the bail out does is make sure the collpse doesn’t come before the elections and allows Bush and his cronies to escape office before the melt down.
Worst criminal organization in history.
Go Raiders!
Yes! This country has been RAPED by the corrupt, lying GOP….and if McCain and that dimwit Palin get elected….then the country will be FLUSHED down the TOILET!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Democrats and Republicans= same trash
October 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
s&B,
You are right it is show time for Javon. I was baffled that Javon was not targeted more for the past three weeks. I have a feeling Kiffin was trying to work around him (prove some sort of point about practice and sunday probably).
Also DMAC needs 20 touches or he was a waste of a pick. i don’t care if he was hurt: he was suited up and was running fine. He is a threat. Hopefully Cable will do what kiffin seemed dead set against… getting the ball to the play makers… throw JLH in the mix on that too.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
KoolKell,
I despise the Republicans as much as anyone! I also despise the Democrats too. This economic crisis is the result of the American people electing people who are unqualified their jobs. Too many lawyers….Too many sycophants….too many people who spent their entire lives in politics.
This country may never recover from this. Our assets can be bought off the cheap. Look for China, Russia and others to engorge themselves on cheap American assets soon.
Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Bush Jr. Carter, EVERYONE IN CONGRESS FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS have brought this country to its knees!!!!!!!!!
Let’s talk football
October 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
WAIT UNTIL THE OBAMANATON GET’S IN ,IF HE DOES, WHAT IS LEFT OF YOUR PORTFOLIO WILL BE IN HIS POCKET.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
The country is not already in the toilet?
October 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Ricky Brown has done a decent job. last game he had a batted down pass and a forced fumble. He seems to have some speed: and he is the best option for strong side.
He is not a good lb yet… he may never be, but he can play the position.
The Defense just needs to keep putting the right personnel packages in the game. i want to see more 3-4 with Kalimba, Burgess, or even scott.
This year is most likely done, so develop the players that have potential: Brown is in the mix.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
S&B- this crisis is Americans fault because they never listened to people ofthe past warnings of this eventual collapse. This country deserves what it is getting
October 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that owner Al Davis has received a letter from the NFL informing him that the Raiders are subject to discipline for publicly accusing the Patriots of tampering with Randy Moss.
Oakland risks losing anywhere from $250K in fines to multiple draft picks. The Raiders would probably use the picks on Sam Williams and John Bowie types, so the fine would hurt much more. Davis claimed the Pats broke NFL rules by trying out Moss before acquiring him from Oakland. More than anything, the situation shows how inept the Raiders’ personnel department (Davis) has become. At the time, they believed Moss “couldn’t run anymore.” Oct. 9 - 2:33 am et
Source: ESPN.com
October 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
The bottom line is that the baby boomer generation could not step up to their responsibilities. They destroyed families and created a “me too” culture. Now we are paying for it. Personally, I think anyone over 45 should be banned from running for any political office. That generation, baby boomers, have done enough!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
The defense has not been able to keep up the pressure in the 4th. Rob Ryan needs to use more zone blitzes in the 4th: you do not have to send 5 or 6 on every play, but you do have to move around players to get favorable matchups. It seems Ryan is to content on just lining up and beating people. I like watching Johnson’s defense in Philly. They bring the heat. Same thing with Spagnola in NY.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis received a letter from the NFL this week saying, in essence, that if he has evidence the New England Patriots tampered with his team prior to a 2007 trade involving Randy Moss, he should present it.
The letter was confirmed by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen.
An NFL source firmly denied to ESPN that the Raiders were threatened with sanctions in the letter. Tuesday, a report by the National Football Post said the NFL sent a formal letter telling the Raiders they were subject to penalties for the public accusation of tampering.
There is an NFL policy that does say that teams can be subject to sanctions for issuing false allegations in public.
The punishment for violating the policy could range from a substantial fine — $250,000 or more — to docking the Raiders one or more draft picks, or both, NFL sources told ESPN.
Davis said the Patriots had tampered with Randy Moss before a deal in April 2007 that brought the wide receiver to New England for a fourth-round choice the weekend of the NFL draft. Patriots coach Bill Belichick denied the claim by Davis that New England had a workout with Moss before obtaining him in the trade.
In a June 5, 2008, memo distributed by Goodell to NFL clubs entitled “Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules,” the commissioner informed NFL team officials that competitive rules violations must be made in a timely manner. Davis’ accusations against the Patriots came 18 months after the transaction occurred.
The memo also warns team owners and officials that making false claims leaves them open to NFL-imposed sanctions
October 9th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
The NFL better not take away a draft pick. That hurts the fans. Make Al pay for that mistake out of his own pocket
October 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
post 92……….i agree with that to some extent but others know ofthe grand scam going on. No one wants to do nothing but listen to their damn ipod and such. I’m glad we are about to get it!
October 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Raiders will select a DE in the first round next year. Its Burgess’s contract year and I dont see us resigning him. DE is a need and we all know cable will draft a O-lineman in the 3rd. we will pick a wr late in the rounds like we normally do. I just hope we draft a MLB at some point.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Some of the worst castrophes in American history came on the watch of the Republicans.
Clintons Years: Peace & Prosperity.
Dow Jones Down 611 today
October 9th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Are you feeling the “Trickle” yet?
October 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
LOL Kell believes in Obama………..too too funny
October 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
So, does Mike Nolan become our DC next year? I hope not. I mean, Ryan’s got to go, but I don’t think Nolan is the answer. Especially after seeing the ginormous egg that the vaunted Niner D has layed this season.
October 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Oboma is satan
October 9th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Obama is a stooge for a so called SATAN
October 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Now Republicans, since they can’t admit any wrong, Say” Aw it’s Democrats AND Republicans.
If this were a Democratic administration, you can bet your last dollar, they’d be screaming bloody murder.
People have the ability to justify anything they want to. Even Al Davis’s mismanagement of their beloved Raiders, rather than admit wrong. Small-minded.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Brien
It was written = The end is near…
October 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Small minded is believing there is any difference between Democrats and Republicans………..screw it just take us out of our misery and make George Bush KING. It will further validate what I always knew about this farce of a country
October 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Geez guys I was jk… Where did everyone go?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
KoolKell..
True, so true, but at least your economy isn’t like the one Icelanders having right now, they didn’t listen to our NationalBank, and now they blame us for not giving them a loan, now they say that their former friends doesn’t want to help them, so they found new “friends” in Russia.. LOL like thats a good idea..
October 9th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
So, Davis sent Kiffin a warning letter, then the league sends Davis a warning letter about Kiffin, now Davis sends the league a warning letter about Kiffin.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Clinton= in bed with Bush family, but people wanna exalt him like he did something
October 9th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
LMN,
I heard about it, but I didn’t know it was so bad:
Iceland has approached Russia about a loan of €4 billion, or $5.5 billion, to help see it through the crisis, but Haarde said no agreement had been reached.
An IMF intervention in Iceland, which would necessarily involve accepting a series of harsh measures to restore fiscal and monetary stability, would underline the extraordinary reversal in the country’s fortunes after a decade-long, debt-fueled binge by the country’s banks, businesses and some private citizens. The banks, while avoiding the toxic mortgage securities that have humbled Wall Street, expanded aggressively at home and abroad. When credit tightened and the krona fell this year, they were unable to finance their debts.
In these circumstances, going to the IMF “is probably the only thing Iceland can do,” said Richard Portes, an economist at the London Business School.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Brien,
You’re a prime example of why educated people vote Democrat.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
KoolKell, we warned them for 3 years ago =)
October 9th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
KoolKell, we warned them for 3 years ago =)
Check out this fool’s grammar. We all know who is uneducated! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
October 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
LMN,
We warned the Republican “Trickles” years ago as well
October 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
No matter which way you vote there will be no real change. Obama is married into the republican party via Cheney. No wonder they keep practicing for martial law exercises.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
KoolKell its really bad.. but its typycal icelandic..
in the 80’s they were rich as filth, because of the fishing.. they had hotels and even homes with gold tabs on the bathrooms and such.. then the fish was gone and they hit rockbuttom.. after EU was established, they became a nation of banks.. tons of buildings in Copenhagen is bought by them, they took heavy loans in those buildings, and now they gonna sell cheap.. So this is going to be fun :/ at least someone is going to make a killing on the danish market =)
October 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
post 114 is a troll
October 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
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October 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Brien,
That’s his second language. Did you graduate from high school?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
What is the line on Sundays game?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
And Kell what is being educated since this education system has been proven to be a lie? You tell me smart guy
October 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Martial law is damn sure here and these idiots getting all caught up in a fixed economic crisis and a bullshhhhhit election between two stooges like Obama and McCain
October 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
oh well… delete the ‘for’ it looks okay to me =)
October 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Kell, I went to school HIGH. Much more fun then sitting in a class preaching more lies
October 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Thankfully Davis had more sanity than Kiffin and picked Russell.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
7 1/2
October 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
“But whether or not Lane Kiffin fell short in one or more of those areas, he departed an Oakland club whose cupboard is anything but bare. In fact, judging from game-film analysis and the word around league circles, the Raiders had more problems with game management, play calling and attitude than just about anything else. ”
Keith Kidd
Scouts, Inc.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Brien..
its very evident..
October 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Fugg it, just make George Bush the KING or dictator and get it over with.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
i’d rather have a bad economy than watch a man with ties to terrorists tear apart our nation.
i enjoy my freedom, don’t you?
in God we trust
October 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Brien,
I take it you’re finding out as we speak about education. I’m sure you are not making a living. Copout coward.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell, I agree with you; Kiffin wasn’t ready to be a HD in the NFL. Maybe an ass-istant!
October 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
It is evident the class room is the biggest producer when its comes to lying……..good stuff LMN
October 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Dress in Black…
Line in my local fish wrap is, Saints favored by 7 1/2.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/TheyBannedMe/AssPirates.png
October 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Rockstar and who is that you are reffering to?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Poor game management + poor play calling + poor attitude = Lane Kiffin
October 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Kell no one who isnt elite is living. We are merely existing as cattle
October 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Kiffin thought he had more power than Al, he is crazy!
October 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Brien#139
Speaking for yourself, I’m sure that’s true. You’ll be in jail soon enough for selling dime bags, and this blog will be better off.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
i’d rather have a bad economy than watch a man with ties to terrorists tear apart our nation.
i enjoy my freedom, don’t you?
in God we trust
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I assume you are talking about bush, since their family is more or less founded by saud1e families with dubious connections.. but since its bush who ruined your economy I don’t get your post..
October 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
3rd Party Candidates that don’t have legal backgrounds or decades in Congress.
The country is being led by intellectual and professional lightweights.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I dont sell……I smoke
October 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
With a massive frame, good mobility for his size and possibly the strongest passing arm in football, QB JaMarcus Russell has a skill set similar to that of Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger. And although the Raiders expected Russell’s development to be a long process, some of the blame for the passing game’s failings falls to Kiffin. His schemes lacked imagination and were too conservative, especially for an offense whose run game should have made the play-action pass a natural weapon. WRs Javon Walker, Ashley Lelie and Chaz Schilens (an intriguing seventh-round pick) have excellent size-speed ratios and can pressure defenses on the back end. That would create space underneath for WR Ronald Curry, an athletic possession receiver, and WR Johnnie Lee Higgins, who has the explosiveness to turn a slant route into a big gainer. Without fear of the occasional deep ball, opposing defenses have been able to overplay the run with eight in the box, pressure Russell and tighten up coverage on his receivers.
Although Russell likely stunted his own growth by leaving college early and missing training camp as a rookie holdout, he is capable of more right now. He has hit his spots when given time, and his frequent use of TE Zach Miller suggests he is reading the field. He has had enough time to get in synch with the offense, gain an understanding of coverage concepts and learn his hot reads. The protection is leaky, but Russell moves well — an advantage that needs to be exploited. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp incorporated the spread option into his West Coast offense to maximize Michael Vick’s abilities during his time in Atlanta. With Kiffin gone, Knapp has the freedom to create designs that get Russell away from pressure and challenge defenses downfield more often. Kiffin didn’t seem to trust Russell, but the Raiders can’t afford to coddle their quarterback any longer.
Keith Kidd
Scouts, Inc.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
He’s talking about Obama His father and brother have ties to terrorism.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Kell= is excited about Martial Law and the take over ofthe world. Yep that Obama is sure gonna change things
October 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Kell= excited about the constitution being erased
October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Nice post KK. Cable is a balance freak too, he’ll expect more passing from Knapp.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
LMN,
no, i’m talking about Obama
October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Or experience on Wall Street. Let’s get some people with a solid education and understand that you have to spend money wisely.
Not unlimited spending. Not open ended entitlements.. Not adventures trying to convert people to democracy!
100 years from now, people are going to look at Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama/McCain as some of the worst Presidents in the history of the country
October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
#75 SB
Thats a POST!!
Yvonne!!
Put the purse down bitch and catch the dam ball.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Kell= excited about FEMA prison camps being set up and ran by the Military
October 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Davis needs to get Kiffin away from Russell so everyone can move on down the developement path.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Bush Jr= KING………..just do it already
October 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I could have sworn he pulled up lame after that second catch but I must have been wrong……………again.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
i’d rather have Evander Holyfield or MC Hammer run the country than Obama
October 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
And now, back to FOOTBALL.
Do not overlook the fact, that this game will be a homecoming game of sorts, for J Russ.
Went to school at LSU and as close as he is going to play, to his hometown of Mobile, Al.
He will be playing in front of all his family and friends, for this one.
Expect Russell, to have a very good if not great performance on Sunday.
Or..
Three picks, one fumble and 20% QB rating.
Hoping for the former.
Choke ‘em out, in the 4th. qtr. Go Raiders!
October 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
LMN - No one cares what you think.
Shut your piehole, you Kiffin loving ingrate.
Just Win Baby.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Andrews Mom,
Yvonne needs to dominate the game Sunday. He is being paid to be a top 5 receiver. I want him to get 8 balls on Sunday. Seriously! There is no excuse. THat’s why the Raiders are going to win (hopefully) our superstars are going to step up and play. I want Yvonne on the field 90% of the offensive plays. Seriously! I want him getting the ball win or lose.
Because for $16 million, that’s what I expect!
October 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Brien, Obama’s going to win. I’m sorry. I know you’re rooting for McCain, your bogus independent posturing not withstanding….
How did you give yourself away? Well, you bashing Obama 10 times more than McCain is a start. There is nothing more transparent than a political agenda, Brien. And the self proclaimed independent types are the most obvious.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
El Dirty..
I hope he isn’t because that one has been dismissed..
and if he talks about the Ayers thing, its just as stupid..
especially if you hold it up against the bush’s.. nevertheless, most important topic for you is economy and McCain hasn’t a grip of what that means =)
If a presidents job was to sit in a cage.. then he would do great =)
October 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Rockstar………it doesn’t matter who the puppet president is. The people behind the curtains run this damn show
October 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
The letter Davis wrote to Kiffin was actually the same letter Wayne Valley wrote to Davis. Al just crossed out his name and put Lane’s in there.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
RaiderRockstar,
Obama or McCain. They are both paid by the same special interests. It REALLY doesn’t matter. However I will say this.
The performance of the WORST PRESIDENT in the modern era (Bush) might just destroy the Republican party, similiar to what happened to conservatives after Major in Great Britain and Conseratives in Canada until recently
October 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
# LONG LIVE AL Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
LMN - No one cares what you think.
Shut your piehole, you Kiffin loving ingrate.
Just Win Baby.
_____________________________________________
HAHAha.. should i take you seriously, when hiding behind anonymity? its lowest form..
October 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Brien, Obama won. In electorate terms, his lead in the polls is now insurmountable. Get over it. Move on to something else.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
DIRT LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
WAIT UNTIL THE OBAMANATON GET’S IN ,IF HE DOES, WHAT IS LEFT OF YOUR PORTFOLIO WILL BE IN HIS POCKET.
_____________________________________________________
That’s where you are a fool. If you think the Republicans won’t steal all your money before his January inauguaration even takes place, you are sadly mistaken.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Brien,
You are a little coward p.o.s. can’t even take responsibility for your own life. Some unknown force of people behind the curtain control your miserable life.
How many kids do you have? Hopefully none.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
If a presidents job was to sit in a cage.. then he would do great =)
************************
you should be put in a cage just for saying that. you speak about what you do not know, nor understand. that’s not funny
October 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
First off you can never “check” me in ANY form buddy. Believe that! It was inevitable a demob-tch was winning this bogus fraud election as it is. I bash Obama because he is the ultimate Illuminati tool. Black people running around this country like idiot’s believing this fake punk is actually gonna make their lives better. He is in bed with the same people who power Bush. McCain=zzzzzzzzzz. He has already been down with the grand scheme for many many many years.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
El Dirty;We should take a MLB first then the rest on OL,DL
October 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Electoral college= bullshhhhit
October 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Brien, is the guy in The Boondocks cartoon, the one with the jacked up eye, based on you?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
S&B
i’d rather have GWB for a 3rd term than Obama. at least then we’d be safe
can you really put a price on freedom?
October 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
#92
Thats like saying all Asians are smart & hard working or all hispanics are lazy and make too many babies, all whites are racist, etc, etc.
Many, many of us boomers are hard working, nose to the grindstone producers to the American economy. And we didnt make anywhere near enough money to be wealthy, let alone have a pension or healthcare.
We are not all spawn of the devil that want to rape the world for a bucket of gold.
We have moms and dads and ex girlfriends and kids that we love and care about. I dont want them to live in debt because I was greedy. I am tightfisted and drive a 10 year old truck.
The whole system is gamed against the people. The elite and powerful dont care about us. The two “cantidates” are proof of that.
Think about it a little bit. The powers that be have been screwing citizens for many generations. A
And they are very, very, very good at it.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Kell you actually believe you are full control………LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Another idiot sheep being led to the slaughterhouse with a belief this stooge named Obama will change things for the better
October 9th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Obama= Uncle Ruckas
October 9th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Brien, interesting theory there on the illumanati. Got that tin foil hat on tight, don’t ya?
You’re going a long way to rationalize the simple fact that Obama won, that McCain lost, and that this country does not want Republicans in power. And they won’t again for a long, long, time.
Come up with all of the kooky theories you want to. We can use the laugh.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Obama said he has zero connection with black males, he can’t relate to them. So what isthe real difference between him and McCain? None from what I can see
October 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
RRS..
SO? its all he has ever done.. all his life is based on him being a POW..
If you use it for you, you allow others to use it against you.. simple as that.. McCain has nothing to give, Palin even less.. Biden is great, and Obama is your best bet to get our of your mess..
If you don’t like him in 4 years time, then fire him, but now is when you should stand by the best man for your country, and though he might not be a part of your party, Obama sure is the only candidate with knowledge about economy..
October 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
No I have a Silver Raider Hat on real tight
October 9th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Barack Obama is a company man! He plays the role very well. I’ll give the punk credit on that
October 9th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
KoolKell, you are to old to still believe the democrats will to come to your defense. They will keep you in your same position for political reasons fool. Your people still don’t get it.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Barack Obama= perfect for the setup
October 9th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Brien<———-still gets trolls…….LOL
October 9th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Is that his name, Uncle Ruckas? the dude with the jacked up eye? LOL. No, Brien, Obama does not remind us of him. But you do. You are him.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
can we fugin talk about football
October 9th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Black people in this country are so damn juiced about Obama and its absolutely hilarious. Village idiot society I tell you
October 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Brien,
You just don’t like Obama because he’s hard on ghetto trash. Get a job dummy.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Brien<————not in his 60s and has dreads like rastas but…………….try again
October 9th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I dont like Obama because he poses as if he is one of US. He is not. He is a phony and a punk who is in bed with same people that have you under their thumbs
October 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Oh my god the job thing…..LOL. It shows how brainwashed you are
October 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
FoolKell, if Obama is your man, why doesn’t he talk about the things that effect your community like; Black on black murder, drug dealing, high pregnancy rate, high unemployment, high incarceration, etc.
Or maybe he can’t talk about, because, he’s scared of turning the white voters away. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Grow a pair please!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Chris Rock hasn’t been a black comedian since the mid 90s so try again troll boy
October 9th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Brien
I have been on the same page for a long time now, even before the internet. The banksters are stealing the land just like Jefferson warned us.
The politicians have stopped paying any attention at all to the Constitution that they swore to uphold.
Its too early too shoot them and too late to stop them.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Chris Rock shall always be the crackhead “Pookie” from New Jack City
October 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Andrews Mom= exactly, but people want to call me an “idiot”
People from the past have gave warning after warning but morons wont listen. No bigger morons than Obama supporters who are down for him because he looks like he is black. That is a dumbest reason to vote for someone
October 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Troll Brien, that is so old. We had a John president during that time!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
The only way out of this mess is to win back the trust of the American people. Make all of these white collars do the frog walk, take away their pensions when they are sentenced to long terms at the prisions they have been supporting.
But it wont happen. They will ride this horse till it is dead taking pensions and every other nickle from America before they retire to the latest safe spot to spend the billions they stole.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Message to Javon Walker: Make some plays this Sunday, or retire!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
S&B,
You have to have a certain detachment to examine reality accurately.
Obviously you voted Bush
The Trickle down has been tried twice, and failed twice, Did you notice the dow fell 670 today, below 9,000 for the first time since 03′ Massive layoffs. or
The Clinton Democratic era produced the longest span of economic expansion in history. Produced 22million new jobs.
We lost about 32 military men in 8 years.
wtf are you talking about? Look at the record!
They are not the same, that’s just a convienient excuse for people ignorant of history and don’t know any better.
Low-information voters.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
The fact is America forgot the basic principles of the past.
1. Save your money when you want to buy something
2. Raise your family (and, if possible, don’t divorce if there are kids involved)
3. Walk softly and carry a big stick
4. Don’t measure your worth by your possessions
5. Did I say raise your family…..
We stopped doing those things when the baby boomer generation took control. This happened across every race, ethic group and income class. The baby boomer generation DID NOT TAKE THE LESSONS OF THEIR PARENTS….so here we are!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
DAMN KK WE HAD A GOOD FOOTBALL CONVO GOING AND YOU BLEW IT!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
KK: NEWSFLASH!
Obama isn’t Clinton
October 9th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
#226 S&B
i agree
October 9th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
They built the entire thing on a sheet of cardboard, stealing the life savings of decent hard working people and all they had to do was make phone calls and shuffle paper while they raped America.
Then to add insult to injury the president gets on the soapbox, and threatens us with a great depression if we dont sign the banker bailout bill.
John and Barry went back to where they use to do the job they were elected for, made a big stink about it, blew some smoke and signed off the banker bailouts after 400 pages of pork, of course.
Screw all of them.
October 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
KoolKell,
Actually, no I didn’t vote for Bush. Never did. Didn’t think he was smart enough. I agree that Ir@q was a terrible mistake. No argument from me. And guess what, I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN EITHER!!!!!
But here’s what I don’t like about the democrats. We cannot afford any increase in spending. Whether it be tax cuts for the “rich”, health care, Ir#q or anywhere else. Paying off our social security and medicare obligations WILL bankrupt the country in 10 - 20 years. FACT! Also, having 5% of the population foot the bill for 95% of the population isn’t sustainable. Jobs are ultimately created by entrepreneurs and business. Not government.
I think Obama overestimates how much government can create jobs or provide health care. Setting you up for the same disappointment that GWB gave to his followers.
We need a 3rd party!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
i’m checking out. enjoyed the convo guys
see ya tomorrow
maybe we’ll talk a little sports with our politics?
haha. late!
October 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
You brilliant ones in the blog have been taken again by the media. Mort is f.o.s.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/09/mort-confirms-the-league-office-has-not-threatened-the-raiders-with-sanctions/
October 9th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
S&B#226
I agree, there’s alot less decency in this society than most others.
In that case, Vote Obama, certainly.