Time to turn McFadden loose
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders are headed toward the last quarter turn in need of a finishing kick if they hope to enter the 2009 offseason feeling as if they accomplished anything but another lost season.
Four more games, including Thursday night’s NFL Network telecast against the San Diego Chargers, who have beaten the Raiders 10 consecutive times dating back to 2003.
Four games for Darren McFadden, whose season was sabotaged by two cases of turf toe, to make some big plays and leave a lasting impression.
McFadden has missed three games outright and had at least five others where he was either injured or recovering from being injured. As a result, he trails six running back taken after him in the NFL draft in rushing.
The most productive rookies are Chicago’s Matt Forte of Tulane (second round, No. 44 overall) with 1,012 yards, Tennesee’s Chris Johnson of East Carolina (first round, No. 24 overall) with 958, Houston’s Steve Slaton of West Virginia (third round, No. 89 overall) with 904, Detroit’s Kevin Smith of Central Florida (third round, No. 64 overall) with 621, Carolina’s Jonathan Stewart of Oregon (first round, No. 13 overall) with 586 and Baltimore’s Ray Rice of Rutgers (second round, No. 55 overall) with 423.
McFadden has handled the ball, rushing and receiving, far less than any of the above backs, with 87 rushes (for 405 yards) and 17 receptions (for 158) _ 104 touches out of 691 offensive plays the Raiders have run this season.
The good news is McFadden had a better fate than first-round pick Rashard Mendenhall, the Illinois back taken No. 23 overall who had his season ended with a broken shoulder, or college teammate Felix Jones, whose torn toe ligaments terminated his season after 30 carries for 266 yards and an 8.9 yards per carry average.
Visual evidence suggests McFadden is as close as he has been all season to the back who had 164 yards on 21 carries against Kansas City in Week 2, the only time he has handled the ball more than 20 times in a game.
The Raiders have been careful to ease McFadden back into action rather than re-injure his turf toe, but it’s time to begin getting some use out of an investment that could total $60 million.
Coach Tom Cable estimated that McFadden was probably on the field for “30 or 35 of the Raiders 57 offensive plays against Kansas City.
Considering the Raiders’ offensive struggles, and McFadden being their most dangerous weapon, it’s hard to fathom why he ever leaves the field at all now that he’s somewhere approximating 100 percent.
As much as Cable believes Justin Fargas to be “one of the bricks in the foundation” of the Raiders, McFadden and Russell represent the future, and that’s what Oakland is looking toward with a 3-9 record heading into the last four games of the season.
Following the Raiders’ win over Denver, Russell talked about how much McFadden changes things merely because of his presence on the field. His location and position is the first prioirty of any defensive scheme.
Considering how little production the Raiders have gotten from their wide receivers, adding into the mix that Ashley Lelie is questionable because of persistent headaches and that rookie Chaz Schilens has been bothered by a bad ankle and Achilles’ tendonitis, it makes it that much easier to slide McFadden into the slot or have him split wide on plays when the Raiders are playing Fargas, fullback Luke Lawton, or both.
In that role, a reverse like the one the Raiders ran with Johnnie Lee Higgins becomes an option, with McFadden as the ballcarrier.
As it stands, McFadden hasn’t had more than 22 touches in a single game, that being the Chiefs game in Week 2. His next highest is 17, a week later against Buffalo, when he was slipping and sliding all over the artificial surface and struggling with turf toe.
Going into the last four games, McFadden ought to be seeing the ball a minimum of 22 times per game. With fifteen to 18 rushes per game, throw in five or more receptions, and McFadden can join the rookie party and give the Raiders a glimmer of hope toward next season.
Cable said the Raiders have been building toward giving McFadden an increased workload.
“To get everything put in you can’t just throw it in all at once,” Cable said. “You’ve got to progressive build it, build it, and we did that again this week.”
When asked if McFadden could be the most important skill position player, Cable still sounded inclined to spread things around as much as possible.
“With (McFadden) and JaMarcus continuing to get better, I think that nucleus right there, with Fargas running the ball so hard . . . then you just need a receiver or two to step up and make some plays,” Cable said.
Another option _ put McFadden to work. Run him out of the I formation, give him some toss sweeps as a single back, throw him screen passes, line him up in the slot and hit him in the seam. Make him the centerpiece of the offense for the next month.
And one more thing _ if you line up him up as the shotgun quarterback in the “Stallion,” “Wildcat” or whatever the Raiders are calling it, do something other than the option handoff with Fargas that has made the Oakland version of the formation inferior to those run elsewhere.
News and notes from Wednesday’s walkthrough:
– Center Jake Grove (calf) and Ricky Brown (groin) are out, with both players expecting to be back on Dec. 14 against New England. Grove said he is in the process of strengthening the calf and that it wasn’t quite right on Monday.
– Lelie is listed as questionable with headaches, with Cable being a little light on the details. He said he didn’t know if they were migraines, and said Tuesday he didn’t think Lelie was hurting because of a blow to the head.
If Lelie can’t play, it could mean more time for Johnnie Lee Higgins or Todd Watkins, unless Cable opts to move Schilens to split end from flanker.
– The only players on the Raiders who have experienced a win over San Diego are Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, Ronald Curry, Marques Tuiasospo and specialists Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler. All were suited up for the 34-31 overtime win over the Chargers on Sept. 28, 2003, and only Tuiasosopo did not play.
The Raiders prevailed on Janikowski’s 46-yard field goal in overtime. Rich Gannon completed 26 of 43 passes for 348 yards and touchdowns of 36 yards to Tim Brown, 2 yards to Doug Jolley and 36 yards to Alvis Whitted, with Charlie Garner adding a 24-yard scoring run.
LaDainian Tomlinson was the center of the San Diego attack with 28 carries for 187 yards. He also had seven catches for 25 yards.
(That’s how you use a running back).
– The last time the Raiders won in San Diego was Dec. 14, 2002, prevailing 27-7. Gannon was 26 of 41 for 328 yards, with Tyrone Wheatley and Garner scoring on the ground.
Lechler, Janikowski and Tuiasosopo are the only current Raiders who were around for that game.
Regarding the 10 straight losses to San Diego, Cable said, “We’ve talked about it, and it really takes care of itself because of the division opponent, and the rivarly and all those things.”
– Schilens, a seventh-round draft pick out of San Diego State, will play his first NFL game in the stadium where he played his college games.
He had numerous ticket requests, but said he bought only eight because at 74 bucks a shot, “it was too expensive.”
– Kansas City defensive back Maurice Leggett ought to consider sending a latter of thanks to Cable for being named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Week for his 76-yard return of a fake field goal attempt.
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December 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
It’s not the “wildcat” or the “stallion” Cable’s using, Jerry. It’s the Pony.
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Charles Oakey..
good to see ya back! how does the sun treat you down in SD?
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Also, McFadden’s other former college teammate rookie RB, Peyton Hillis, has more TDs than McFadden (Hillis has 4 rushing and 1 receiving0.
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
OMG!!! i cant believe i am actualyl finally going to my first Raiders game tomorow.
GO RAIDERS!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
relax Chaos! if you dont like jerry’s blog then get the hell out of here.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
nobody told me Chaos, the game was declared a sellout.
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Then whoever “declared” it a sellout, is a sell out and a liar and a cheat and a waste of human existance. When I think sellout, I think of Green Bay or New England. Thiose are sellouts. We have 30 people in the stadium of 70K and its considered a sellout. Please!
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I hope Chaz Schilens gets at least 5 balls thrown in his direction tomorrow night. He deserves it, buying 8 tickets for people. I think he’s gonna play hard in front of his family and friends. He’s not full strength on the ankle yet if he’s limited in practice, so I wouldn’t put him in a foot race down the sideline, but for those short underneath routes he’s your man. Curls, slants, crossing routes, etc. Hopefully Russell can find his receivers this week!
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I can see all the happy people are here… Talk football, RAIDERS football, or go to myspace…
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
good call gator ..
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm
At the begining of the season i was so pumped up about our upcoming season. As a raider fan since birth, what has come to be, has needless to say, demoralized me. We are so close to being the worse team ever. Seems like the ship is sinking quick and al davis hasn’t drown yet. Dont get me wrong, the man was “THE MAN” back in the day, but ask any Raider fan what is wrong with the team and 98% will say his name. Sucks to have to go through this. Now I know what Bangal & Lions fans felt like for so many years.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm
MR, you really think gangs are cool? more puke flowing from your mouth …
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
This blogs only fun when BlackHoleBishop is here, no one can defend davis or the players like him hes even got cable beat as an the ultimate Raider optimist.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
rIADER4LIFE Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm
At the begining of the season i was so pumped up about our upcoming season. As a raider fan since birth, what has come to be, has needless to say, demoralized me. We are so close to being the worse team ever. Seems like the ship is sinking quick and al davis hasn’t drown yet. Dont get me wrong, the man was “THE MAN” back in the day, but ask any Raider fan what is wrong with the team and 98% will say his name. Sucks to have to go through this. Now I know what Bangal & Lions fans felt like for so many years.
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Bro, stop the nonsense…..They are going to tell you to leave the blog or not to be a Raider fan……How dare you put down Al Davis………You should be ashamed of yourself…….(its a front)
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
SD-Raider you are right on
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
The once great Raiders organization future depends on Jim Fassell or Denny Green saving the organization. Man we are f**ked
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm
everybody WANTS to win, but not everybody KNOWS how to win or has all the necessary tools to do so ..
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
OC RAIDER Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
SD-Raider you are right on
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Right on brother…….my fellow Hulk-o-maniac……….I can’t believe it took me all of this time to find you brother……in between the online Call of Duty game and playing tug tug with my wiener in my room at night while watching re-runs of Gilligans Island, I thought I would be lonely the rest of my life….
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
name one “Davis worshiper” you’ve actually met …
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
these guys are cliff divin right before our eyes.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
name one “Davis worshiper” you’ve actually met …
Tom Cable
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
dOES ANYONE HERE WORSHIP DAVIS.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
It is time for McFadden to justify and solidify his position and standing on the team and in the league.
McFadden came in highly touted and rightly so.
However, I will blame injury and play calling to a certain extent.
If there were ever players situated to run the Single Wing/Wildcat offense, it would be the Raiders….McFadden, Bush, Fargis in the backfield with JaMarcus out as a receiver.
It may drive defenses crazy.
Is Coach Cable reading this?
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Well, so far so good Big AL didn’t can Cable like I thought he might after Sunday’s horrible fake FG call. Hopefully Cable can make it through to the end of the season. Then depending on how we finish the real questions can be answered. If Big AL does decide to go with another HC which he probably will hopefully he selects a real NFL HC and not some college wannabe. Having a coach with a proven track record would go a long way into stabilizing this team.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Come on bro….If you’re going to troll me, at least say something that is witty or makes me look bad.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
nope. wrong. plus you’ve never met me. i can type whatever i want. this is a blog full of opinions. Davis is the owner of the Raiders. I support the Raiders, which means the owner, coaches, players, etc. Do they disappoint sometimes? of course. pretty often recently, but that doesn’t make me any less of a fan. i don’t “worship” any man or team. That’s a lame statement you make to draw a response. so Raider fans aren’t “cool” , but gang members are? i doubt you’ve ever even met a gang member either.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
MR: repost (read it this time, it’s easy) …
nope. wrong. plus you’ve never met me. i can type whatever i want. this is a blog full of opinions. Davis is the owner of the Raiders. I support the Raiders, which means the owner, coaches, players, etc. Do they disappoint sometimes? of course. pretty often recently, but that doesn’t make me any less of a fan. i don’t “worship” any man or team. That’s a lame statement you make to draw a response. so Raider fans aren’t “cool” , but gang members are? i doubt you’ve ever even met a gang member either.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
i could go to Toys R Us and buy a toy for my nephew and you’d call me a Toys R Us worshipper. you have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
I might go to Taco Bell tonight, then I’ll be a burrito worshipper in your opinion.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I think DMC’s toes are still hurt…
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I hope Chaz Schilens gets at least 5 balls thrown in his direction tomorrow night. He deserves it, buying 8 tickets for people. I think he’s gonna play hard in front of his family and friends. He’s not full strength on the ankle yet if he’s limited in practice, so I wouldn’t put him in a foot race down the sideline, but for those short underneath routes he’s your man. Curls, slants, crossing routes, etc. Hopefully Russell can find his receivers this week!
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
NFL in 3D sounds gay and lame.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
65,. Hopefully his wides can get seperation
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
N21: Curry had 2 steps on his man when Russell overthrew him in the endzone on that 4th down play and several balls were thrown behind Lelie & Curry last week.. plus he fell while trying to throw one pass. nobody touched him, there wasn’t even much pressure
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Ladyman Tomlinson LMMFAO!!! =)
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
see you guys tomorrow. GAME DAY !
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm
McFadden is just another overpaid underperforming bust. Jerry talked him up like he was the second coming of Marcus Allen and what do we get? An oft injured half hearted effort. Completely ineffective.
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
N21: Curry had 2 steps on his man when Russell overthrew him in the endzone on that 4th down play and several balls were thrown behind Lelie & Curry last week.. plus he fell while trying to throw one pass. nobody touched him, there wasn’t even much pressure
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i cant believe how badly he missed curry on that TD play. i miss Gannon, but we’ll give Russell until the end of next season
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
OC Raider Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
N21: Curry had 2 steps on his man when Russell overthrew him in the endzone on that 4th down play and several balls were thrown behind Lelie & Curry last week.. plus he fell while trying to throw one pass. nobody touched him, there wasn’t even much pressure
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i cant believe how badly he missed curry on that TD play. i miss Gannon, but we’ll give Russell until the end of next season
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uh oh, we have a new authority here. The boy wonder signing checks will give Russell until the end of next year.
Jerry, alert the media….
Boy Wonder predicts Russell’s Future with Raiders
Boy wonder, underoos or hanes?
Boy Wonder…Not just a playstation fan…
Boy Wonder, Is that a pencil in your pocket?
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
The Raiders need to give the ball to McFaddin about 20 times. They need to see if he can carry the team. Russell cannot carry a team with his arm.
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Chaos- you arent a bad guy afterall. you are pretty funny!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Can you imagine winning a game in which you give up over 30 points? OMG!
“34-31 overtime win over the Chargers on Sept. 28, 2003″
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I told you
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
no vegas. thats very normal. however, it is wrong to daydream about Dennis Green aka art shell the 2nd
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
UGGHH!! I WISH DIDN’T FOCK DAN FOUTS IN THE A$$!! I THINK HE GAVE ME AIDS!! WHEN YOU FOCK ONE L.A. CHARGER IN THE A$$, YOU’RE FOCKING EVERYONE THAT’S FOCKED THEM. SO, IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY, THE CHARGER ASS FOCKER ACTUALLY GOT AIDS FROM KELLEN WINSLOW!!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
#60: Seriously? What are we like 12
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
El-Dirty!!!
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Dennis Green aka Art Shell the 2nd?
Dennis Green has a coaching record of 117-102-0.
Art Shell 56-52. Not a good comparison.
Wouldn’t mind Denny as the next HC, especially if things continue to go bad with Cable.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
LaDainian Tomlinson was the center of the San Diego attack with 28 carries for 187 yards. He also had seven catches for 25 yards.
(That’s how you use a running back).
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Jerry is a charger fan…
Guessed why charged up had showed up so often right after jerry post his column…
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Big Al Goon:
Denny Green’s win pct is 53.4%
Art Shell’s is 51.8%
I’m not saying they are equal, I would much rather have Denny (more as a GM, look at his Minnesota and AZ drafts and they are pretty solid). But the winning percentage is almost identical.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I’ve been avoiding the media since attending that travesty on Sunday. I went to all of the AFC West games this year (0-3, Yippie!) I’m so sick of walking out of the coliseum dejected. It just seems hopeless. I’m still going to be a fan. Hell, I’m still going to go to games because I always have a good time. But, at this point, I’m almost ready to give up on the notion of them ever being good again. At least not while Emperor Al-patine is still alive.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Raiders will rise from the ashes
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Need a laugh? Check this out:
profootballtalk.com/catagory/media/pic-of-the-day
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
All you people who say JaMarcus is a bust, please wait until we actually get a supporting cast around him before we slap that label on him(line/WR). We’ve seen the the good (denver), bad (atlanta), and ugly (kansas city). But he has yet be unimpressive or show no signs of progress in a single game, its a process that will continue to improve with time. Wish we would go after established lineman (Hutchison in 07, Fanica 08) rather than risky showboats (MeAngelo & Yavonne)in the offseason.
The Kansas City game was bad, but watching JaMarcus scramble for those 25 yards was f-in hilarious!
DMAC is a stud, plain and simple, lets get him the ball more in open space.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I also believe that all of the talk of Jamarcus being a bust is way too premature. How can we judge the talent of anyone on this team? The organization is a mess. And, it’s going to be damn hard for anyone to thrive. That really shows you how truly talented the player’s who do thrive are. Like Nnamdi. And, we see how they rewarded him.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm
This franchise will never win until it hires a competent, qualified head coach. Just won’t happen. Can’t happen and quite frankly shouldnt happen.
Coaches put players in position to make plays. Coaches understand the strength and weakness of the players on the team. Raider coaches have a delusional view of their players.
Russell is learning the game, receivers are substandard and the running game is competent. Why the f are the Raiders not running the ball down the Chiefs collective gut!
I have an answer: Delusions of grandeur. Visions of Stabler and Lamonica dropping bombs down field.
Play the game with the players you got, not the players you wish to have!
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Man, I can’t wait until we get a coach that know what he is doing… oh wait, we have had some of those.
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Bill Callahan
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Norv Turner
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Art Shell
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee, here comes Lane Kiffin
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee, here comes Tom Cable
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeeeeeeeee, here comes Whoever, wheeeeeeeeeee
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
koolkell,
Recycling coaches seems to be the pattern doesn’t it.
Insanity right….doing the same old thing and expecting a different result.
This franchise can’t be successfull until a modern 21st centry competent NFL coach is hired
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I just hope we dont give up 25 in the 4th like last time. (that’s one loss you CAN thank Ryan for, another one is the Buffalo game.) With those 2 wins we would be in the thick of things, but that was the Kiffin era, we’re about 60 steps back from where we were then.
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Are you buying in that al davis, and cabel, are holding back a healthy Dmac in favor of fargas, or just the fact that if cabel through the work load of 22carries and 5 to ten receptions on dmac, making him reggie bush , when , not the effective unpredictable weapon, he is right now, as he gets healthy, as the game changing change of pace rb, then be the center piece of the offense next year, , just because we are out it dose not mean , getting away from a that will pay off next year
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:17 pm
AM I THE ONLY DUMMY THAT TOOK THE TIME TO FILL OUT THE ON-LINE SURVEY FROM THE TICKET OFFICE TODAY ?
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:22 pm
I think DMAC would have got more carries Sunday if someone, and he’s included, on Offense would make a DAMN PLAY and get a first down, especially in the 2nd half. Not many carries to go around when you go 3 and out every time and nobody breaks any tackles.
December 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Al Davis Hires All the Players
Al Davis Hires All the Coaches
Player turnover, Coaching turnover, same result.
Why, if not Al Davis?
I’m needed somewhere, now =)
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
OakGland I thought you said DMAC was red shirted this year? Turns out he was injured with turf toe like I told you he was.
Numnuts!
“Four games for Darren McFadden, whose season was sabotaged by two cases of turf toe, to make some big plays and leave a lasting impression.
McFadden has missed three games outright and had at least five others where he was either injured or recovering from being injured. As a result, he trails six running back taken after him in the NFL draft in rushing”
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:47 pm
post145,I thought it was HBO comedy hour,besides,was directing the question at Brien,cuz we need answers for Next year!In other words,we were trying to talk FOOTBALL
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I feel sorry for the Chargers…
LT: Best player in team history. Status: Washed up.
Merriman: Best defensive player in team history. Status: Steroid-produced washout.
Rivers: QB of the next decade. Status: Complete tool.
Norv: Coach for this season and next. Status: Raider re-tread running on fumes.
Meanwhile, the Raiders have …
McFadden: Explosive rookie RB. Status: Poised to be the best back in franchise history since Marcus/Bo.
Nnamdi: Best CB in the league. Status: Just reaching his prime.
JaMarcus: QB of the next decade. Status: Incredible tools.
Cable: Coach for this season. Status: On his way out in favor of a quality HC who will put the many talented pieces together.
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Still,
What, have they made the playoffs 3 out of the last 5 years and done virtually nothing worth bragging about. Now they’re sinking back into the depths of NFL meaninglessness. It has to be tough for their fans to swallow.
But hey, their fans are used to swallowing.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Go Raiders!!!! Beat the Chargers!
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Schillen’s is young and inexperienced, but plays with passion and fire.
On the opening Raider drive in the last SD match up Roaring back off a deep route Schillen’s threw a block that nearly decaffinated DB Antonio Chromartie who was trying to coral Walker after a big gain over the middle.
He makes mistakes on occasion and draws flags, but the kid wants to compete and doesn’t seem afraid of the next level.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I’d like to see JLH get some work at WR on thurs, try it! Try something…
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I feel sorry for the Chargers…
LT: Best player in team history. Status: Washed up.
Merriman: Best defensive player in team history. Status: Steroid-produced washout.
Rivers: QB of the next decade. Status: Complete tool.
Norv: Coach for this season and next. Status: Raider re-tread running on fumes.
Meanwhile, the Raiders have …
McFadden: Explosive rookie RB. Status: Poised to be the best back in franchise history since Marcus/Bo.
Nnamdi: Best CB in the league. Status: Just reaching his prime.
JaMarcus: QB of the next decade. Status: Incredible tools.
Cable: Coach for this season. Status: On his way out in favor of a quality HC who will put the many talented pieces together.
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LT misses Lorenzo Neal who now blocks for the Leagues 2nd leading rush team, the Ravens. Injuries on the O line have hurt his production too. have no illusions, LT can still play, he just doesn’t have the help he used to.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I miss you mama cita. Where are you,MR?
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
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December 3rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm
LT misses Lorenzo Neal who now blocks for the Leagues 2nd leading rush team, the Ravens. Injuries on the O line have hurt his production too. have no illusions, LT can still play, he just doesn’t have the help he used to.
Merriman has been missed. Its surprising the impact a team leader can have and no one was more surprised than SD.
Like Oakland a few short years ago, San Diego now knows how the lack of a pass rush can negatively affect a once top flight defensive secondary.
San Diego’s secondary went from worst to first in the span of a year.
Odds are, Merriman will be back, but whether he can attain the level of play he had pre injury seems unlikely.
Phillip Rivers quarter back rating leads the League and the new emphasis on a finesse game is successful in that respect, but it hasn’t led to wins.
Coach Norv Turner in his second year at the helm is being called into question by those who remember Marty ball and the Charger’s not so long ago 14-2 record.
Yes Norvelle did get them play off wins when Marty could not, but ultimately, it’s the head coaches fault when your team is expected to go all the way and ends up fighting for .500.
Raider fans can attest to the ineffectiveness of Turner’s work, but his record of 72-89-1 speaks for them.
Bad contracts for under producing and oft injured players will continue to take a toll on San Diego even if Turner is dismissed this off season.
It looks like all of the AFC West is in rebuild mode and the upside for Raider fans is they have a head start.
The down side is, they’ve yet to become a team.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Umm just a note or two on McFadden -
Do you count the missed screen passes and deep passes as “touches”? Since they go unrecorded on the stat sheet I think it is easy to overlook.
McFadden missing practice but the team using him in the Wild Pony to pass the ball worked for a loss of yardage. The longer he stays healthy the more reps he can get.
Do you want McFadden or first downs? Fargas consistently gives you 3-6 yards and starts cranking out 7-15 yarders in the second half. DMAC will run for 60 and then run for 0-1 yards 15 carries. Fargas gives you 2nd and 6, DMAC 2nd and 9.
I’m all for getting DMAC the ball but it is a bit strange to say “throw him screens” when we’ve been told about 50 times that Russell can’t throw a screen.
Fargas was our best option versus KC and we didn’t stick with him. That’s why we’re 3-9. Do you build more momentum losing with DMAC or winning with whatever works?
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
OakGland I thought you said DMAC was red shirted this year? Turns out he was injured with turf toe like I told you he was.
Numnuts!
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Dmac was from all accounts healthy last week. Yet (once again) he didn’t play in the entire 2nd half. Unless you count one play, playing. So, either you could say he was red shirted, or he was benched. Most educated people would call it the former. missed a brain, once again, missed da boat. It’s getting kind of boring kicking missed a brain around this blog.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Ugly brings up some good points. Fargas I think had a 4.8 yard per average carry last game. Dmac was less than half that. And some of you want to take Fargas out. The problem was not Fargas, it was not sticking to Fargas and smashing KC to bits.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:32 pm
BEEN OUT 4 A COUPLE HOUR’S , I SEE BIG BROTHER, ER , THE MODS HAVE BEEN ACTIVE , I THOUGHT FARGAS WAS RUNNING HARD AND WITH ATTITUDE LAST WEEK, DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO DO WITH BUSH..
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:47 pm
So have we given up on Bush already? We need to play both these young runners and see what we have here. Use a fullback at fullback. Let’s find out whether we are as strong at this position as we think we are.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Have great respect for Fargas. But we’re playing for the future, and he’s not it.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
#56 - Kell, Callahan came in when the prior guy was traded … but … I guess he really was fired in a spiritual sense. Get outta town Chucky, even if you Succeeded (not Failed). Got bigger than the owner though. Bonk, bonk, bonk on the head! I’m feeling nostalgia for Callahan too, especially lately.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I AGREE COINMAN , MC FADDEN-BUSH BACKFIELD SHOULD BE STARTING WITH FARGASFILLING IN
December 4th, 2008 at 12:05 am
So that one went through … OK, now I’ll try to post about a fake FG to the kicker that worked, long ago. First Denver game in 1977, anyone remember Norris Weese throwing to Jim Turner for a 25-yd TD that buried us all but dead in the first half? They had us shocked and trippin’ already though, and that’s why it worked. Turner wasn’t exactly a greyhound, but he was real wide open. Salt in the wound. Snake threw seven picks too. Ouch. Broncs 30, Raiders 7.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:14 am
And #75, Coinman, I agree, McFadden has to become steadier before he can be the main guy. He has more POTENTIAL than Nap Kaufman did, but right now he’s about the same type of player as far as actual results. Does this new Wildcat trend remind anyone of the old single wing? Can McFadden line up in the T formation? Hmmmm. Dutch Clark. Sammy Baugh.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Excuse meee, #75 was Coyote Ugly and not some other dude. Till next time then.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 am
We need to test our young recievers too. Certainly need a good one in the draft, but how many do we need? After all these games, so much of the team is a mystery. The QB is set, and although his play has been dismaying, it may be a couple more years until we know what we have there. Let’s open things up, I mean, does anyone out there think we’re playing for home field in the playoffs? Anyway, what we’re doing hasn’t been working…what’s to lose, really?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:18 am
NORRIS WEESE 2 JIM TURNER GOOD LORD, I WAS GLAD I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT, NOW THE EXPANSION SEATTLE SEAHAWKS WITH WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT SHORT CHUNKEY ( SHAPED LIKE ME ) HISPANIC KICKER ‘S NAME. WAS IT HERIRRA, EFRIN HERIERA NOT SURE ABOUT SPELLING THAT GUY KILLED US SEVERAL TIMES, CATCHING PASSES OUT OF KICK FORMATION. UGLY
December 4th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Willie, I moved to elmhurst in Sacramento. I’m tired, I’ll definitely talk to you after the game. Miss you
December 4th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Jerry, maybe they will listen to you. They sure will not listen to the fans. We have been screaming this since DMC was declared fit for full duty. Fargas is an average RB at best, not sure why Cable is in love with him. Obviously featuring him as the primary back has made us no better. McFadden needs to be in the entire game, of course with the occasional breather, for us to see what the future looks like. AND THEY NEED TO DO IT NOW.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:13 am
This blog can be fun when the subject is RAIDER FOOTBALL. Remembering opponents and plays from the great days is also fun, although some think it an indulgence by grey-haired fans. But the stuff proporting to be MR is not fun, as, with all his/her weaknesses, the real MR is a football fan. So, alot of these comments by “MR” are boring. Come on, guys, let’s challenge each other to THINK FOOTBALL and keep this blog interesting and informative!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 2:14 am
Real Al: YES!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 2:16 am
The Raiders need more cow bell!!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 2:19 am
everyone loves the crash test dummy, he is all heart and loyal. DMAC needs more carries, Barry Sanders would gain huge yardage then go - 1 - 2, stuffed then go + 48. CTD is all team and should be respected but still has no wiggle.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Coyote Ugly #75: Then , through reps, Russell needs to master the screen. Our backs style and talent demands that he develop this ability.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Yoda is correct. Fargas runs like a mad man into the line, but he is not a threat to the opposing teams. At least with DMC, there is a real threat of an 80 yard run on every down. Fargas???? Maybe a 10 -15 yarder per game.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:34 am
Yes?
December 4th, 2008 at 3:30 am
post 98 true dat
December 4th, 2008 at 3:32 am
Maybe when we hire fassell as coach he has a better idea of how to use mcfadden and bush because cable is predictable, lacks vision and stratigic genius. He thinks that by running fake fgs and punts helps the team, he under uses a 245 lb back because he don’t want to play fb because he don’t know a position he’s never played in.(sounds familiar? Playing out of position? 3 words “bed and breakfast”) fassell we await ur arrival, you possibly be worse than the cable guy
December 4th, 2008 at 3:40 am
we will be playing 4 pride only imo.How much we got???
December 4th, 2008 at 3:50 am
our QB cant throw a screen,DTs cant stop the run.when you add it up thats about $110,000,000 that cant do what they are paid 2do
December 4th, 2008 at 5:21 am
wake-up =) NATION
December 4th, 2008 at 5:30 am
Today on Mike and Mike they were discussing with Stink about playing you best players even if you have clinched the playoff’s. Stink said you should as long as you weren’t playing someone injured. One of the Mike’s said you should play your best players no matter the circumstance unless you’re playing KC or Chokeland. How funny is that?
December 4th, 2008 at 5:51 am
Tonight is the night nation we already got that booty from denver now its the chargers turn
December 4th, 2008 at 6:00 am
Spider Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 5:30 am
Today on Mike and Mike they were discussing with Stink about playing you best players even if you have clinched the playoff’s. Stink said you should as long as you weren’t playing someone injured. One of the Mike’s said you should play your best players no matter the circumstance unless you’re playing KC or Chokeland. How funny is that?
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Know what else is funny? Mike losing all that weight and finding out he’s still but f*kin’ ugly, thats what.
Oaklands going to smash the living sh*t out of SD this Thursday night because they’re pissed they let KC walk on them.
Know what else is funny?
A qu**r named Brown Spider who has to roll other peoples sites to be a little bish.
Honestly, wretched pathetic. what a small minded and equiped stain of a an excuse for a human being is that gawd awful pathetic?
What does your like have to be like to think thats fun or enjoyable?
What ever it is. I’m certain you deserve every bit of it me lady…
December 4th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Not funny at at all spider no humor from a donkey is funny unless we look at shanrats face after we beat them now that my friend is funny!
December 4th, 2008 at 6:05 am
coinman Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Coyote Ugly #75: Then , through reps, Russell needs to master the screen. Our backs style and talent demands that he
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coinpurse,
Runnin’ more of em’ lately, but fact is, both tackles suck azz. Honestly, watch Kwame in space. The mo fo whiffs on LBs and DBs constantly ruining not only screens, but ,ost things going off edge.
Seen it over and over and oever again. Their tackle play is so bad, it makes the play virtually unusable.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Coin, losing O’ Neal and Griffith hurt our screens too…
December 4th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Raiders!
You owe us this win over SD!!!
We hate their A hole fans and need you to put a smack down on these bishes like you’re never going to play again!!!
CALLING OUT KIRK MORRISON!!!
Stay f*cking home gawd dam bit!!!
This team wins when you mind your gap responsibilities plain and simple.
One more thing Cap’n.
Keep those feet moving!!!
We’re tired of you going flat footed when on an island with Lynch ect.
RUN THROUGH THE BALL CARRIER!!!
Play well and disciplined tonight Mr. Morrison and I guarantee we will win.
Go Raiders!!!~
December 4th, 2008 at 6:19 am
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December 4th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Losing to KC sucked, but at least it wasn’t a blow out (For the Bronco’s, that was embarrassing considering that they had looked great up until that point). You donk fans better pray the Raiders beat SD this week…that will help your team win the AFC because there is no guaranteeing a victory in SD in week 17. The Donks looked good at times, but are now very inconsistent. I know about the injuries and that hurts every team. And a lot of you who label that stupid “chokeland” thing probably would not say it in Oakland…
December 4th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Hey Nnamdi, post 114:
That is right on…
December 4th, 2008 at 6:33 am
RUN JANO RIGHT THIS TIME INSTEAD OF LEFT…
December 4th, 2008 at 6:35 am
You know, Jerry kind of nailed it on the head…a win in SD tonight will take a big monkey off of the Raiders back. That was the Raiders second home til that lost in the SB, and now…well…can’t say anythig there…
December 4th, 2008 at 7:08 am
can the Raiders play a complete game? Cable & Russell were the main reasons we beat Denver, but were also the main reasons we lost to KC. I think the Raiders will show up ready to play.
I think the defense will hold their own this time around. DeAngelo Hall was here last time we got toasted in the 4th, remember? Asomugha was injured and only played sparingly, giving more playing time to Johnson. Now Nnamdi is healthy and Hall is gone. I expect better results from the pass defense tonight. This game falls on the shoulders of the offense. If we can dominate the 1st half again, the defense will do it’s job and control the 2nd half.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:20 am
I was thinking about toughness and the toughest Raiders of the past.
Barrett Robbins was metally weak, but he was an All Pro center who protected the League MVP–Gannon. He would move the entire line left or rigt for Garner.
Jack Tatum could hit. Howie would never stop.
And Marcus— he might not have looked like much standing on the sideline, but he could jump over the pile — stop a blitzing LB in his tracks on pass protection— and knock down the big hitting safeties with a stiff arm. And he was the fastest player on the field at the same time.
Otis Sistrunc
Marv Hubbard
Rod Martin
John Ritchie
Who else??
December 4th, 2008 at 7:25 am
“What ever it is. I’m certain you deserve every bit of it me lady…”
I’m sorry I though you were a male fader fan. I never meant to disrespect a lady fader fan.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:32 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Not funny at at all spider no humor from a donkey is funny unless we look at shanrats face after we beat them now that my friend is funny!
That was funny….but that was over 2 weeks ago. Unlike fader fanz I don’t dwell on the past. Today is the present and you girlz are the butt of the joke (again) (as usual).
December 4th, 2008 at 7:37 am
JR plays better on the road.
Dmac needs to step it up a notch.
Make Phil Leaf eat dirt early and often. Rent space in his head. It affects his game.
Hit them hard in the first half with Fargas. I know many dont like him but he has a complete game. He does not false start like Dmac did at KC the first time he lined up at RB and Cable yanked him for the next play. He blocks like a cement wall and does not miss assignments. Which are two things Bush and Dmac dont well enough to earn more touches.
Our rookie QB is having a hard time with the speed of the game. He needs more practice, more game time, and more people around him that he can depend on, like a uber LT.
The D has all the tools. They need to play for an entire 4 quarters, not three and a half, not 39 minutes and an offense that could put up 21 points now and then would help as well.
They need to man up and earn their dam paychecks, players and coaches as well.
Beat the dam Chargers!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 7:43 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Losing to KC sucked, but at least it wasn’t a blow out (For the Bronco’s, that was embarrassing considering that they had looked great up until that point). You donk fans better pray the Raiders beat SD this week…that will help your team win the AFC because there is no guaranteeing a victory in SD in week 17. The Donks looked good at times, but are now very inconsistent. I know about the injuries and that hurts every team. And a lot of you who label that stupid “chokeland” thing probably would not say it in Oakland…
First of all the Broncos are young and inexperienced (not to mention, banged up)and haven’t learned consistency yet. Their 7th round pick from Arkansas sure is making your 4th pick over all from Arkansas look like an over priced luxury.
Second I don’t live anywhere near chokeland and it’s definately on my top ten list of exotic places to vist. However, if I ever have the misfortune of winding up there not only will I yell CHOKELAND at the top of my lungs. But I’ll yell CHOKELAND at the top of my lungs while wearing my black and silver Raider Hater t-shirt.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:47 am
True point spider, but we know there’s no present without the past they kinda go hand in hand, yeah we maybe loosing now we’ve seen days when we were winning, with a few changes here and there we will be respectable again
December 4th, 2008 at 7:48 am
spider, your parents would never let you leave the house to come visit Oakland. it’s too dangerous and you’d be up past your bedtime. If you get caught driving without a grown up in the car they might revoke your permit. Then your parents would have you cleaning up the barn all winter. Not a risk you’ll likely take …
December 4th, 2008 at 7:50 am
the donk fans can’t bash us for losing to the Chiefs, they lost to them as well. At least we beat them earlier this season. The chefs will probably slap them around again and sweep them. this division is still up for grabs, because the donks may not win another game all season
December 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Fargas needs to stop leaving his feet when going through the line. Also, he seems to play better when he’s behind another back on the depth chart, remember last year when he came in for Lamont? He finally got his chance to show his stuff and he tore it up. Losing Oren hurt us worse then I think many of us know. We definitely need a little better o line and a wr that goes balls out on every play.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am
The D has all the tools. They need to play for an entire 4 quarters, not three and a half, not 39 minutes and an offense that could put up 21 points now and then would help as well.
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A’s Mom:
I think the defense will hold their own this time around. DeAngelo Hall was here last time we got toasted in the 4th, remember? Asomugha was injured and only played sparingly, giving more playing time to Johnson. Now Nnamdi is healthy and Hall is gone. I expect better results from the pass defense tonight. This game falls on the shoulders of the offense. If we can dominate the 1st half again, the defense will do it’s job and control the 2nd half.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:54 am
If the broncos are young and experienced what are we? Don’t give them any exuses they are an established team and yet they still loose we are more inexperience and un-established than they are, there are plenty of games we could have won but inexperience and unstability setting us back, just you wait and see we will be back!
December 4th, 2008 at 7:55 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 7:47 am
True point spider, but we know there’s no present without the past they kinda go hand in hand, yeah we maybe loosing now we’ve seen days when we were winning, with a few changes here and there we will be respectable again
Believe it or not DBW, I hope you’re right. If your team becomes respectable again it makes the rivalry all that much more exciting and it brings the AFC West back to being an elite division again. I hope you’re right but you need to get yourself a coach who can call his own shots and you need to hire someone who knows football personell.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Cable’s left:
last year we had a healthy O’Neal, Griffith, Rhodes, Jordan, Sims & Newberry with Kiffin calling the plays.
A lot has changed obviously since then, but we’re still a better running team than the Chargers at this point in the season. who would’ve guessed?
December 4th, 2008 at 7:58 am
If your team becomes respectable again it makes the rivalry all that much more exciting and it brings the AFC West back to being an elite division again. I hope you’re right but you need to get yourself a coach who can call his own shots and you need to hire someone who knows football personell.
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wow, his spider sense is going crazy! i like it
December 4th, 2008 at 7:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 7:48 am
spider, your parents would never let you leave the house to come visit Oakland. it’s too dangerous and you’d be up past your bedtime. If you get caught driving without a grown up in the car they might revoke your permit. Then your parents would have you cleaning up the barn all winter. Not a risk you’ll likely take …
fadercocktard, that was great
I’m going to nominate your post for the best all time post in blogging history.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Spider in order for that to happen with our franchise 2 things must happen
1.Al davis dies(im not wishing death on the man.)
2.Al Davis steps down and hands over the keys to the franchise(don’t see that happening, id think he’d die first so we will have to wait for salvation lol
December 4th, 2008 at 8:03 am
I don’t think the mods like my new name, I changed it right after the fake FG call by Cable. I’m not changing it back until we win another game or Cable is gone.
Anyway, I lived in Denver for a little over a year and their fans are a bunch of whining babies. Never failed every monday after a loss they were calling the radio station calling for Shanarat and Plummers Heads. But if they won, oh boy! everyone would come out of the wood works saying how great they were and how far they would be taking them.
That is when I learned that you can spell Denver broncos the same way you spell Douche Bags.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Mike Mayock said yesterday that mcfadden is a bust, and also threw in that russell is also worthless,..he said same thing PRIOR to both drafts,..and he is of course right on the money,…russell and mcfadden are both worthless,…cut them both../…and hire marty shottenheimer as next coach,..no im not kidding,..it would be awesome.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Rockstar-
I would have guessed it, Norv is in charge up there, you know how that will turn out. The runningback is always the first to turn to poo under Norvy. Look at all the teams he’s been a part of.
Anyway, I think we will have a better showing tonight then the last time we played them and/or the way we played last week.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Bob please gmafb
December 4th, 2008 at 8:10 am
I might take Marty as a hc but he hates the Raiders, so I don’t think it will happen. As far as Russell, he pisses me off and plays like crap sometimes but I really dont’ think he’ll be a bust, I think he’ll be better one day then McNabb is. As far as Dmac, this guy is a stud and no one here knows how to use him the right way, plus he was injured, I’m glad we have him he will help us in the long haul. Maybe we should trade Fargy and move Rankin up.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Don’t know of too many high draftees that were considered a bust befor they get 1 year under their belts…….I think mike mayock is much smarter and reasonable than that so where are you getting your source?
December 4th, 2008 at 8:11 am
btw, Bush’s attitude sucks! I like him… but it sucks!
December 4th, 2008 at 8:12 am
I like it!
December 4th, 2008 at 8:12 am
to many idiots in here not posting as themselves, don’t feed the bears!
Any guesses in what the score will be tonight???
December 4th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Oh you probably got it from IM AN IDIOT.COM!!!! What a joke
December 4th, 2008 at 8:13 am
he wants to help his team, he knows he cant do that as FB..
December 4th, 2008 at 8:14 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 7:54 am
If the broncos are young and experienced what are we? Don’t give them any exuses they are an established team and yet they still loose we are more inexperience and un-established than they are, there are plenty of games we could have won but inexperience and unstability setting us back, just you wait and see we will be back!
DBW, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Look at how many rookies they are starting. If you read all the national reporters they always mention the Broncos and Chiefs as the teams with the most rookies starting. I’ve never read a national report that makes the same mention about your team. I’m not saying that your team is not young and I’m not saying that you haven’t had your share of injuries. The Bronco’s young players are definately contributing more to better record than your team has. But because of youth and injuries they are not going to play consistently.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Norco,
Mike Mayock is a scumbag. Russell & McFadden are rookies, wait at least 3 years before saying a player is a BUST … otherwise Nnamdi Asomugha would be a bust and he would have been cut right away using your logic
Marty Shottenheimer as next coach would be awesome, but it’ll never happen. He hates the Chiefs and Chargers for firing him, but I still think he hates Al Davis and the Raiders more. He probably has all his buddies over for “Raider week” every sunday and roots for the other team.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:15 am
He’s helping by not playing?
December 4th, 2008 at 8:17 am
He has the athleticism and size, I think he could really be a good FB, not that I want him to stay at that position because I remember watching him at Louisville. Just until we trade Fargy bear.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Russell is not a rookie, he held out most of his Rookie year, that was our first warning sign. I bet if we had taken quinn not only would we be better off right now he would have signed earlier.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Fargas is a good player, but there are 3 problems with trading him. 1. we won’t get much in return. Teams know we have McFadden & Bush in the backfield, so they can wait until he’s released ala LaMont Jordan & Dominic Rhodes. 2. he’s injury prone and closing in on 30 years old (turns 29 in January) when backs usually decline. 3. he’s on scholarship, he’s loyal to Davis & Davis will be loyal to him (you usually don’t part ways with players that are in good graces)
December 4th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Dirty you are clearly an idiot,..when i mention mayock, you ask wheres my source,..all who follow the nfl know mayock is with the nfl network,..so theres the source dipshiit.,..sucks to be clueless like dirty.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:26 am
jamarcus russell is already a bust,…easy to see that one,…and mcfadden is almost there,…hes weak,..cant break a tackle,..only has combine speed,…not remotely tough,…always hurt,…another wasted pick.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:27 am
matt ryna on the other hand, the next nfl superstar,…likely in pro bowl this year.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:28 am
ryan
December 4th, 2008 at 8:29 am
gotta go,…but will leave you with this,..russell will once again embrrass himself tonight as he does every game,..and mcfaddens name might be mentioned once or twice,..and of course the chargers win, that goes without saying.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Get off the drugs man!
December 4th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Cables Left:
no doubt Quinn would have signed earlier for probably less money. We need a vocal leader and Russell is not one of those guys. Who on offense can be that guy? Fargas? Miller? I hope Russell shows up buff next offseason. Committed not only to film study and practice, but to the weight room. He needs to set an example to the other young guys in the locker room. He needs to take out the diamond earrings and burn the fur coat. That’s not football.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:30 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Spider in order for that to happen with our franchise 2 things must happen
1.Al davis dies(im not wishing death on the man.)
2.Al Davis steps down and hands over the keys to the franchise(don’t see that happening, id think he’d die first so we will have to wait for salvation lol
True DBW, true. Too bad he can’t be impeached.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Ok ok lets look at what we have. Start with coaching. They have shannahan that’s been there for years, hell he even won a few rings. We have 4-5 coaches over the last 5 years. Kiffin fired around week 3 or so and we have a O-line coach at the helm. QB they have Cutler a perinnial pro bowler with a firm grasp of the offens. We have Russell need I say more? They have a probowl WR in marshal. And a veteran in stokely. Us? Chaz schillens rookie and ronald curry I can go on but those are just a few of key spots that we are lacking that the broncos excell in
December 4th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Russell will throw one to Miller tonight and Dmac will get at least one TD. I could be wrong but we’ll see. I don’t see them playing like they did last week after getting beat by one of the 3 worst teams in the league, I’m biased as hell though.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:03 am
I don’t think the mods like my new name, I changed it right after the fake FG call by Cable. I’m not changing it back until we win another game or Cable is gone.
Anyway, I lived in Denver for a little over a year and their fans are a bunch of whining babies. Never failed every monday after a loss they were calling the radio station calling for Shanarat and Plummers Heads. But if they won, oh boy! everyone would come out of the wood works saying how great they were and how far they would be taking them.
That is when I learned that you can spell Denver broncos the same way you spell Douche Bags.
Does that sound familiar or what? You’re probably pizzed off at the Bronco fans because they gave you a titty twister all the time
December 4th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Russell showing up buffed and motivated?…ya right,..that retard got paid and doesnt care if he wins or loses,..saw that when he rolled into player parking in whiterolls royce,..thats what is important to russell, lookin like a rich dude,..not studying game video,…being a leader,..that fat tub of crap will be cut in this next offseason.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:40 am
spider - when you come up with something better then reposting my comments and “titty twisters” come back and see me…
Did that post hurt you because your one of the la douches that sits on hold with the radio station to cry about your team?
December 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Bob,
you better keep a lot of norcos handy…because Russell will not be cut this upcoming off season. NO WAY will Al give up on him this quick.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 7:50 am
the donk fans can’t bash us for losing to the Chiefs, they lost to them as well. At least we beat them earlier this season. The chefs will probably slap them around again and sweep them. this division is still up for grabs, because the donks may not win another game all season
“MAY NOT”?
December 4th, 2008 at 8:45 am
# Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:17 am
He has the athleticism and size, I think he could really be a good FB, not that I want him to stay at that position because I remember watching him at Louisville. Just until we trade Fargy bear.
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he has never played FB, not in high school or at louisville, so what do you base this theory on?
the only way he can help us is by eing in hte backfield as a RB, let him have atleast 10 snaps per game, fargas should be the 3rd back! Fargas even blocks better than Bush, more evidence that Bush can’t play FB..
December 4th, 2008 at 8:47 am
And i’m not saying that as a Russell supporter..he has to much investment in him to just give up on him this early..regardless if he is a bust or not.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Wake up you guys! Jamarcus Russell and Al Davis agreed right off the top on 67 mil. Russell and his “agent” held out all through camp over 33 mil guaranteed. Why. Because Russell and his agent KNEW that he didn’t have what it takes to start in the NFL! They wanted to make sure they got their payday. The Raiders got hosed again. The current upper management couldn’t build a team through the draft if they had to. Javon Walker is another example of the incompetence going on upstairs. McFadden? He’s not the gamebreaker we were told he would be. He’s just good enough to maintain a spot on the roster. Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Napoleon Kaufmann, and Charlie Garner were impact players at RB. McFadden is not in tis category.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I base my theory on his athleticism and his size, I thought I already said that. I’m not saying that I want him to stay there, I’m saying that it’s a good way for him to get in the game, did he come to the nfl to play football? or did he come here to ride the pine? we have to many runningbacks right now and thats only a problem when all of them are healthy, none of our rb’s will be great unless one of them is in there more then any of the others.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:40 am
spider - when you come up with something better then reposting my comments and “titty twisters” come back and see me…
Did that post hurt you because your one of the la douches that sits on hold with the radio station to cry about your team?
Titty boy, I don’t complain about my team win or lose. It looks like you’re one of the douches that goes on the internet to cry about your team though
December 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
trojanfan Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Wake up you guys! Jamarcus Russell and Al Davis agreed right off the top on 67 mil. Russell and his “agent” held out all through camp over 33 mil guaranteed. Why. Because Russell and his agent KNEW that he didn’t have what it takes to start in the NFL! They wanted to make sure they got their payday. The Raiders got hosed again. The current upper management couldn’t build a team through the draft if they had to. Javon Walker is another example of the incompetence going on upstairs. McFadden? He’s not the gamebreaker we were told he would be. He’s just good enough to maintain a spot on the roster. Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Napoleon Kaufmann, and Charlie Garner were impact players at RB. McFadden is not in tis category.
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Come on man, take off the used dirty trojan and open your eyes. McFadden didn’t just have one turf toe problem, HE HAD TWO. He has been hurt, what do you expect from him? Not defending him, i am just looking at the real picture.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Trojan - I was with you until you said Dmac, he isn’t right now but in the right system he will be, trust me…
December 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
spidy:
may not. there is a good chance denver won’t win another game all season. nice response by the way!
LMN, Bush is a pansy “i’m not gonna run into a brick wall” … what a team player. 2 FB’s on IR and Bush has a chance to get playing time, but chooses not to. That’s why he isn’t get carries in games at HB or even FB. His attitude sucks
December 4th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Kiffin was fired due to “cause.” Cause of losing. Cable was an O-line coach now he’s an interim HC. Neither has a great coaching background, but Cable has more coaching experience. Shannahan has been the HC for the donkeys for years and got a couple SB’s with a HOF horse-teeth QB. What has he done since? Shanarat is a loser. Cutler is not a perennial pro bowl QB. The guy has never been voted to a pro-bowl and neither has Brandon Marshall. Cutler may be further along than J-Russ right now, but we shall see in the near future. I agree, we don’t have any WR’s, none.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
spidy:
may not. there is a good chance denver won’t win another game all season. nice response by the way!
They may not? I wish I had a crystal ball, then I would go to Vegas and cash in on all the games.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:08 am
the donks may have some things we don’t have: stability at HC, a good QB and a good WR corps
BUT
the raiders have some things they don’t have: a running game and a defense
the winner of this division will most likely be 8-8. not much to brag about. just means other teams in the division stink worse than you do. doesn’t mean you’re a good team by any means. lose in the first playoff game and the Raiders will have a better draft pick. then we start all over next season …
December 4th, 2008 at 9:08 am
spider-
Enough with the smiley faces dude. It looks like you have team envy hanging out in here, I don’t blame u I wouldn’t want to hang out with donkey fans either.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:10 am
we wish you would go to vegas too. that means you wouldn’t be typing in here. you go bet on the donks to make a Super Bowl run. a team that lost to the Chiefs & Raiders, who have 5 wins between them.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:12 am
aiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 9:08 am
the donks may have some things we don’t have: stability at HC, a good QB and a good WR corps
BUT
the raiders have some things they don’t have: a running game and a defense
The Bronco running game will make a comeback…barring anymore injuries.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Cable’s Left Tit,
December 4th, 2008 at 9:14 am
stfu spider
December 4th, 2008 at 9:15 am
fadercocktard, even if I was in Vegas they have internet there so I could always come onboard to make your life more bearable.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:16 am
trojanfan Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Wake up you guys! Jamarcus Russell and Al Davis agreed right off the top on 67 mil. Russell and his “agent” held out all through camp over 33 mil guaranteed. Why. Because Russell and his agent KNEW that he didn’t have what it takes to start in the NFL! They wanted to make sure they got their payday. The Raiders got hosed again. The current upper management couldn’t build a team through the draft if they had to. Javon Walker is another example of the incompetence going on upstairs. McFadden? He’s not the gamebreaker we were told he would be. He’s just good enough to maintain a spot on the roster. Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Napoleon Kaufmann, and Charlie Garner were impact players at RB. McFadden is not in tis category.
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J-Russ and his agent held out to get paid. Big AL wanted to take his time to pay out a historic $30M in guaranteed money to a player that has never thrown a football in the NFL. J-Russ’s agent did his job and J-Russ listened to his agent and the people that had his individual future in mind. Big AL was thinking of the franchise and the league and how this contract would effect both. Also, I recall not some but a overwhelming majority of the people here loving the Raider draft the last two years mainly because of Kiffins involvement. Now all I read here is the Raider players are horrible and Big AL is at fault for selecting these horrible players, blah, blah, blah. But these are the same players that most here were praising and saying how great they were going to be. Can’t have it both ways.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I didn’t know christmas break started this early for the kiddies…
December 4th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Goon-
I was happy with Dmac, but I wasn’t happy with Jruss, I wanted Quinn. I think they still have a lot of potential. But if I remember correctly, Kiffin didn’t want Jruss.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:22 am
# Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I base my theory on his athleticism and his size, I thought I already said that. I’m not saying that I want him to stay there, I’m saying that it’s a good way for him to get in the game, did he come to the nfl to play football? or did he come here to ride the pine? we have to many runningbacks right now and thats only a problem when all of them are healthy, none of our rb’s will be great unless one of them is in there more then any of the others.
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exactly, why start two injured players like McFadden and Fargas all year, when we had a healthy Bush.. nooo he should be a FB because he has the size.. well Jerome Bettis heard the same thing, he said the same thing as Bush..
it simply doesn’t compute, its a waste of talent, all of them.. Fargas is the most overrated player we have, and we all know he getting snaps because Al want him in hte picture..
when healthy, Mcfadden should get 20+ snaps 10 catches
Bush should get at least 10 snaps and 5 catches..
fargas 3-5 runs per game MAX
with an unhealthy McFadden switch Bush and McFaddensnumbers.. fargas should stay below 5 snaps..
and making a guy a FB because of his size is to me not enough, you need the ability, he does not have it, he has never played in the low ranks, why should he then master it at the top level…
what ever undrafted FB available will and should be better than converting Bush.. simply based on how many snaps they tried it.. so find some FB with bush size then he instant is better than bush..
December 4th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Who is the bigger baby?
Rivers or Cutler?
My vote is on Rivers, but cutlers still a lil’ biaatch.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:26 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
LMN, Bush is a pansy “i’m not gonna run into a brick wall” … what a team player. 2 FB’s on IR and Bush has a chance to get playing time, but chooses not to. That’s why he isn’t get carries in games at HB or even FB. His attitude sucks
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I like his attitude, it shows s, he is ere to play… here to play RB!!. he reminds me of Jerome Bettis, he showed people wring, but it took a man like Cowher to defend him.. we have no-one in our organization with that amount of backbone..
December 4th, 2008 at 9:27 am
LMN-
Thats right, he has never played it so how do you know he wouldn’t be good at it. Cable thinks he would be good at it and he’s a line coach.
Again, I agree that fargy is our most over rated player, but he has the most heart of anyone on the offensive side of the ball.
I agree about Dmac having the most touches and Bush the second most, but then what do you do with Fargy? I wouldn’t even mention it if we hadn’t had to FB’s go down.
hell, you dont’ even know what bush can do in the nfl, he hasn’t played enough, so how do you know he wouldn’t be better as a full back?
December 4th, 2008 at 9:29 am
LMN-
I’m not saying he would be better at FB mind you, dont’ get it twisted, I’m saying we dont’ know because he hasnt’ really played at all. I just think that given the opportunity to play and he sais no, that tells me what he is here for.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am
LMN SAID “I like his attitude, it shows s, he is ere to play… here to play RB!!. he reminds me of Jerome Bettis, he showed people wring, but it took a man like Cowher to defend him.. we have no-one in our organization with that amount of backbone..”
That comment alone shows that you don’t know half as much as you think you do. Anyone who is given an opportunity to play and declines isn’t here for the team (period)
December 4th, 2008 at 9:33 am
tonight is the perfect night to spank the dischargers. they are in turmoil and who better than the raiders to put the last nail in.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I have an extra ticket to the game tonight. anyone interested? willing to sell for cheap. $20
one of my season ticket friends cant make it to the game.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:35 am
oc raider, what section row and seat number?
December 4th, 2008 at 9:35 am
You guys got some wierd stuff happening around there, You just don’t see headlines like this where I live.
Coo Coo!
December 4th, 2008 at 9:36 am
stfu spider you piece of sheit
December 4th, 2008 at 9:36 am
section 43….row 21….3
December 4th, 2008 at 9:37 am
there you go Chaos =)
December 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am
4eva - haha… its chaos’s chance
December 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am
why does everyone assume that McFadden & Bush are both better than Fargas right now? no doubt both are the future and have more potential, but anybody who watched the last 2 games should know that Fargas is the best RB we have if you want first downs (not TD’s) … this guy is all about effort and DMC & Bush should take lessons on how to be a professional. If only Russell had that type of mentor …
December 4th, 2008 at 9:40 am
crank… i’m sorry its actually section 33…not 43
December 4th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I say Bush CAN’T play FB based on how he protect QB on passes.. Fargas does that far better, even considered his size.. thats the best evidence you can get.. in fact Fargas would be a far better FB than Bush, even with his tiny size… again you talked about his heart. he has the heart of a FB, McFadden, bush and others do what the are born to, Run..
Fargas is heart, let him block for us.. with his tenasity it would be better than any other we got..
Let Bush run the ball thats what we got him for, thats why he didn’t play last year.. why waste that just to show him he is nothing on this team?? he should run the ball period.. why dont we ask Russell to be FB he has way more talent for that than bush.. he has the size as well.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:43 am
crank…. section 33… row 21….seat 3. face value 54 bucks. are you interested?
December 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Norco- does Rusell really own a white rolls royce??
December 4th, 2008 at 9:48 am
The reason Bush doesn’t play as much, is he hasn’t performed when called upon. Take away the KC game, when he lost a fumble in the 4th quarter by the way, he has literally done nothing. I know it’s hard to show a lot on a few carries, but that’s life as a back-up RB, you got to excel when called upon. The juror is still out if he is a legit NFL RB.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:51 am
# Cable’s Right Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am
LMN SAID “I like his attitude, it shows s, he is ere to play… here to play RB!!. he reminds me of Jerome Bettis, he showed people wring, but it took a man like Cowher to defend him.. we have no-one in our organization with that amount of backbone..”
That comment alone shows that you don’t know half as much as you think you do. Anyone who is given an opportunity to play and declines isn’t here for the team (period)
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well aha?
Jerome Bettis said the same and when given the opportunity to play RB he gave it all back.. he stayed with the team for a long time… its simply not an attitude problem… it has more to do with where and what there mind set is… FB are a weird breed, they play for others success, RB plays for their own and the team of course.. same as o-line men, when they hear their name its not because they did something good its because they did something bad..
you simply can’t change the mindset and if we/he do/does he can never turn back to be a real RB because that mindset is long gone then..
December 4th, 2008 at 9:59 am
LMN,
if Michael Bush is Jerome Bettis, Jamarcus Russell is Steve McNair. Bettis & McNair are proven, Russell & Bush are not … when you haven’t proven anything, you need to do what you’re told. Does Nnamdi play safety on occasion? did you see him matched up with Tony G last week? I did. The Raiders don’t need players like Jerry Porter & Bush. They need players like Asomugha and Gallery. Team players who do what the coaches tell them and don’t complain. If your boss at work asks you to do something that’s not your specialty or not in your job description, what do you tell him? You do it, thats what they pay you for!
December 4th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Lmn-
Now your saying that Fargas can be a FB and Bush can’t?
Wow, keep digging.
Have you ever even played American Football?
December 4th, 2008 at 10:00 am
rockstar-
What the heck is wrong with these people?
December 4th, 2008 at 10:01 am
WHAT LEVEL field plaza club nose bleed?
December 4th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Let’s see if a RB plays FB only when needed to then he can never go back to RB.
I’m not following you.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:02 am
so you think it’s a bad thing to have Bush and Dmac on the field together?
December 4th, 2008 at 10:02 am
well said vegas #201 … did you see the Raiders running game improve when Fargas was out with injury? McFadden was also hurt. Fargas was running well before the groin injury in that Chiefs game. after our first 2 options at RB went down, we were left with Bush and he did nothing.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Sup NATION…
Ufck the chokers!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:05 am
We need some fools with some killer instinct!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Anybody have any suggestions on how to watch tonight’s game on the internet? Effing NFL network.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“I know it would be significant to the players that have been around for a while,” interim coach Tom Cable said. “I’ve actually heard them talk about that scenario … and how important that would be to them.”
“You try not to look back at what’s happened in the past,” said running back Justin Fargas, who returned five kickoffs in the Raiders’ 2003 win over the Chargers. “It’s a new team, and we’re just trying to find a way to win this game and let the things that happened in the past be gone.”
Fargas was a rookie in 2003 as was cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. The two have won only five division games in six seasons.
“You want to win every game, especially against your division opponents, there’s a little extra incentive,” Fargas said. “The Chargers, we haven’t beat them in so long, I think it would be a good thing for this team to go down to their house and get a win.”
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the players are ready for tonight.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Tonight’s game is gonna be awesome I have that feeling again!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:09 am
As far as the Bush situation goes, I have to admit I haven’t been overly impressed with what I’ve seen of the guy BUT I also believe he deserves a shot at running back. He MIGHT be something special; we KNOW Fargas isn’t. Fargas is a good guy to have on the team but they shouldn’t keep giving him the ball because he’s been here the longest.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I got a good feeling too 408, especially since we are stronger then we were the first time we played em’, plus hopefully that loss we took last week woke some of these mofo’s up! We had these guys dead to rights week 4, I could be wrong but it seemed like Kiff knew he was gone and he was trying to prove a point, I think that is why we lost the game. I hope Cable is smart enought not to try another 70+ yrd. fg.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Im a Bush guy but I think he’s acting like a lil b!tch in regards to playing HB…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Rockstar: Fargas has been our most consistent back, but I really feel that he excels at exploiting small cracks in the line for 4-8 yards and doesn’t do well in space. Just look at his fumble, could you imagine if Peterson or Lynch or name your other quality NFL back were to go untouched for the first 7 yards past the line of scrimmage? They would get 20+ yards ; he fumbled when a guy barely touched him. I want to see McSkinny more in space, but he isn’t breaking any tackles either. That’s our problem, our RB’s don’t break any tackles.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I hope Cable is smart enough to stick with the running game…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I got a feeling that Philip “cry me a” Rivers is going to go down hurt tonight.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:15 am
We should be better off this go-round because the Dolts have nothing to play for, and we know all to well how Norv Turner coached teams play when they have nothing to play for.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:16 am
#196 Rockstar
Its hard to convince most here that Fargas is starting because he is a better RB then thunder & lightning.
They simply do not understand theres more to it taking the handoff and taking it to the yard.
Especially when you have a inexperianced QB who is having trouble running the offense.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:17 am
This will be a showdown of teams closer to the bottom of the heap than the top. The Raiders (3-9) can catch the Chargers if they can pull off an upset.
Running behind a line that’s had a startling dropoff, Tomlinson was held to 24 yards by the Falcons, the second-lowest total in his eight-year career.
“In this situation, we are both two struggling teams, so it’s not even fair to talk about a rivalry because we are struggling,” Tomlinson said.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Andrews Mom
Fargas starts because he’s the best in pass protection…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I’m with you Andrew’s Mom; after the preseason people in here were ready to put Bush in the Hall of Fame. He reminds me of the great Nick Bell, and he lasted three years in the league
December 4th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Having said that I believe JR will have his breakout game tonight.
250+ yards 2 touchdowns
And I bet Dmac puts on a show as well.
Its all Raiders tonight. Some of the posters here will be super happy campers, such as myself.
Little Tits will gain abouut 60 yards.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:22 am
RRS…
“Does Nnamdi play safety on occasion? did you see him matched up with Tony G last week?”
and how did that go, Tony b!tchslapped Nnamdi all game..
the only thing Huff had success with was covering TE’s.. now we played one of the best, do we use him? NO, tonight we will meet the best, will we use Huff? no, luckily Norv has effed his team up so Gates only gets 2-3 passes his way per game
December 4th, 2008 at 10:24 am
The Raiders currently have more wins than the Lions, Rams, Seahawks, Bengals & Chiefs. Plus the 4 win Browns have Dorsey & Gradkowski at QB for the rest of the season. The Raiders might not have a TOP 5 DRAFT PICK !!!
YES !!!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:25 am
I don’t think the right tit knows what the left tit is talking about.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Hey the custodian dude @ my daughters school rocks his Raider gear all the time.. He was wearing a hat and a cool shirt 2 day… I was Like Go RAIDERS! He just gave me that look you know the 1 that says I know we suk but its RAIDER NATION 4 LIFE!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Lmn-
Now your saying that Fargas can be a FB and Bush can’t?
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exactly.. you said you have been watching Louisville games, have you noticed Bush can’t protect the QB? (McFadden can’t either for that matter) I assume you’ve watched our games, have you oticed Bushcan’t protect our QB’s??
okay, if you have, then look at Fargas, he protects way better.. Im not saying fargas can be a good FB all I’m saying Fargas would be helluva lot better than Bush at FB..
December 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Tonight might be the only game on the schedule this year where the coaching matchup is even. You could say it was even the first time we played each other, except one coach decided to waste time to setup a 76 yard FG attempt and also throw a screen pass with a 15-3 lead, in the opponents territory on first down. (turned into a pick) Still fired up about that one
GO RAIDERS
December 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Lets hope we’re competitive tonight. If the offense finally shows up we have a chance. If they blitz the living bejesus out of us my money is on Kwami breaking the offsides record tonight.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I wouldn’t expect anything more from LT. He’s as bad as Rivers.
Andrews mom-
Although I agree that Fargas is our most experienced RB, he only has one touchdown this year and it is pretty late in the year. We have seen what he can do, I think most people just want to see what the future holds, I like Fargy’s heart but I think that Dmac will be 10 times the runner that Fargy is today. I like him and all I think it is just time to move on. I mean he has been here awhile and last year was the first year that he really ever did anything. I think that his experience, heart, loyalty and last years performance is the reason he is starting. Not that those are wrong reasons for him to be the starter.
I respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, I’m in here alot but now I’m posting under my new name to protest until we win or Cable is back to doing the O line work.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:28 am
LMN
no isht! Last week I was screaming put Huff on gonzalles! I dont think Cable heard me from the 3rd deck tho…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:28 am
# 408RAIDER Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Hey the custodian dude @ my daughters school rocks his Raider gear all the time.. He was wearing a hat and a cool shirt 2 day… I was Like Go RAIDERS! He just gave me that look you know the 1 that says I know we suk but its RAIDER NATION 4 LIFE!
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lol, great! i had somewhat the same experience a week ago or so, remember there are not that many football fans in the daily picture, but I noticed one across the street, he apparently noticed me, and when we later meat at the supermarket, he tipped his cap, and I gave the nod =)
December 4th, 2008 at 10:29 am
408..
but RRS knows better apparently :/
December 4th, 2008 at 10:29 am
LMN,
we didn’t lose that chefs game because of the Tony/Nnamdi matchup… we lost it because Cable denied 6 easy points and gave away 7 on two 4th down plays.
Zach Miller has more receiving yards and yards per catch than Gates at this point in the season.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am
# vegas raider Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:15 am
We should be better off this go-round because the Dolts have nothing to play for, and we know all to well how Norv Turner coached teams play when they have nothing to play for.
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That’s not true, unfortunately. The Chargers will be fighting for their lives. They’re not out of it yet.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am
the left tit can’t even see the right tit.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Fargas cant move the pile, Bush may be able to.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:34 am
RRS
I see your point and agree about cables play calling ,but, Gonzalles was killing us and Huff has already proven he can shut Gonzoalles down so why the F didnt we put Huff on him? He was the only guy catching the ball BTW
December 4th, 2008 at 10:35 am
408
Because Cable doesn’t know what he’s doing.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:35 am
RRS..
so tony getting 110 yards had nothing to do with it?.. I agree cable effed up big time on trick plays on th down, but the big one was not letting Huff cover gonzales he has done it before…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:35 am
408
Because Cable doesn’t know what he’s doing—
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Yeah and RR is head coach of the Defense!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Where the F is TIM BROWN.. Remember he said he was going to talk to Big AL about coming on board to help right the ship? Well WTF where U @ Timmy????
December 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am
408…
im in a pickle here.. tonight the denver broncos of danish soccer FCK plays norways former grand team in the Uefa Cup..
it has no influence on this years national tournament, and if FCK wins it means points to Denmark and we will be seeded better in international games in future seasons..
So i have to root for one if the teams i hate the most tonight… weird situation.. =)
December 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Left tit
I like the idea of using Dmac & Bush more since the season is lost. I guess Cable is coaching for his job.
Another way to look at it is our two future star running backs are that much wiser but neither of them have much wear and tear on their bodies.
Look out for next year. We will have lots of weapons when agent double O & Griffith return to open holes for thunder & lightning. I just hope JR geat a nice pocket for Christmas with a wide reciever and starts putting those bullets on target.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am
#239: Chargers are done, they have to win the last four, and broncos go 1-3, and they Dolts still might lose the tiebreaker.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:41 am
get dmac the ball
December 4th, 2008 at 10:44 am
LMN
altho it feels like cheating it is perfectly acceptable to root for a rival when it will benefit the greater good of your team…
Still feels weird tho…
December 4th, 2008 at 10:45 am
I think Cable was guilty of trying too hard in the KC game and I suspect he will learn from that if given time.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Cable’s Left Tit Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:35 am
408
Because Cable doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Either does his left tit.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Gotta run! Ufck the chokers!
1 NATION!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:48 am
LMN- lol
December 4th, 2008 at 10:50 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am
408…
im in a pickle here.. tonight the denver broncos of danish soccer FCK plays norways former grand team in the Uefa Cup..
it has no influence on this years national tournament, and if FCK wins it means points to Denmark and we will be seeded better in international games in future seasons..
So i have to root for one if the teams i hate the most tonight… weird situation.. =)
Well since you won’t send me a Greek grass fairy, could you send me one of those FCK grass fairy’s? ♥
December 4th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Andy’s mom-
Agreed, all I want for xmas is a new O line! I just dont see how keeping three good backs is going to help us out next year.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:57 am
You mean 3 AVERAGE backs Left Tit? None of our backs would be considered “good” in NFL circles.
December 4th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Don’t worry fellasm me and Seabass are gonna down a bottle of Vodka before the game. Wait until you see the trick play we’re gonna run tonight!
December 4th, 2008 at 10:59 am
# 408RAIDER Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 10:44 am
LMN
altho it feels like cheating it is perfectly acceptable to root for a rival when it will benefit the greater good of your team…
Still feels weird tho…
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LOL, yeah… and thanks =).. at least even if they win tonight i have a few more days to mock them about us being #1 and then #3 =)
December 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Brien you can have them all =)
December 4th, 2008 at 11:02 am
The Raiders won’t win the game unless the coaching staff dedicates itself to getting playmakers the ball. DMAC should get 15 to 20 carries, period. The guy is a top 5 draft pick and an explosive back. Yet the Raiders use him as often as fine china during the holidays.
Its all ridiculous. This coaching staff has to go, offense and defense.
Will Michael Bush get the ball on short yardage situations? Or is Cable playing bullsh*t games with him?
The Raiders should be running and throwing off of playaction. Will this coach still insist on being a pass-first team?
I just don’t know. But I will watch.
Oh, and Rob Ryan. Will he make adjustments during the game? Will we see another 4th QTR meltdown?
Sigh…..
December 4th, 2008 at 11:04 am
If it came down to a tie between San Diego and Denver, the Chargers would win the tiebreaker, having a better record within the division. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but I AM saying that I highly doubt they’ve given up yet. It’s not that far-fetched to envision the Chargers playing the Broncos in the last game of the season, winner take all.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
it’s only good to have 3 solid RB’s when:
A. you have injuries at Rb
or
B. you take a RB by committee approach
Cable doesn’t like a committee approach because none of the RB’s “get a feel for the game” and all 3 backs are healthy, so don’t expect to see much of Bush tonight unless he decides to play some FB. McFadden isn’t getting 20+ carries either unless Fargas gets injured. so even though the recipe for beating the Chargers might be thunder & lightning, we’ll going to use crash instead and hope Russell doesn’t have another game like last week.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Brien you can have them all =)
I knew you wouldn’t let me down LMN. I shaved my pubies you know? ♥
December 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
They Red-Shirted Bush last year, as he insisted he was healthy. Now he’s in Davis’ doghouse for not embracing a demotion to FullBack.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Offensively, we need to score touchdowns, PERIOD.
Defensively, we need to contain LT and put pressure on Rivers, the WHOLE GAME.
Pretty basic stuff, but then again its the Raiders.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Hey Brien,
Did you polish your Gold Teefs for tonites game, or are they just for courtin?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am
RaiderRockstar,
Your post 264 is exactly the reason why Cable is a terrible head coach. Use the weapons at your disposal. Understand team strengths. Only the Raiders play games with a top 5 pick. Forcing a pass first mentality with no receivers and a struggling QB.
Al Davis had better think carefully about his next coaching hire. Very carefully.
The coaching this year, (Kiffin, Cable and Ryan) has made this a lost season. If we had competent coaches this team would be in the playoff hunt.
I guess as long as Al Davis is happy
I AM SO SICK & TIRED OF LOSING AND MISSING PLAYOFFS APPEARANCES….SICK & TIRED OF 6 YEARS OF THIS STUFF!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am
#263: True except if you watched the Chargers last week, they played so desperately, going for fourth downs, fake punts and such, that I think they left everything on the field.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:11 am
S&B:
the o-line and defense have been solid the last 2 weeks. Cable & Russell have been good one week and terrible the next. Last time we played the Chargers, the defense let us down. Despite 4 sacks and 2 interceptions on Rivers, allowing 3 TD’s in the 4th quarter is not acceptable. I think we’ll be better this time. the offense has to hold up it’s end of the bargain - that means Cable & Russell. Who knows which duo we’ll see this week?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Kool: How is PLAYING as a FB, as opposed to SITTING as a RB, a demotion?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:15 am
RaiderRockstar,
The defense should be “ok” as long as the d-line man’s up. Its the offense that has me concerned again. Here is my message to Cable:
1. Run Fargas between tackles - 15 carries
2. Run DMAC outside and screens - 20 touches
3. Run Bush on any 2nd or 3rd & 3 or less and in the red zone - 5 to 10 carriers
Pretty simple if you ask me!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Vegas, what Mr Davis generally doesn’t understand, is that Players polish their skills over a number of years. Growing up and in College. That’s why they’re good at what they’re good at. To suddenly do something else is not putting that player in the best position to contribute and put his skills to good use, or to have an acceptable career.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:18 am
# Brien(I♥MyDreads) Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Brien you can have them all =)
I knew you wouldn’t let me down LMN. I shaved my pubies you know? ♥
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aha TMI…. but the FCK players will suit you then =)
December 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
273, S&B,
You forgot, SCORE TOUCHDOWNS!!!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:23 am
dikembesaysno Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
273, S&B,
You forgot, SCORE TOUCHDOWNS!!!
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LOL….Let’s take this one step at a time!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Kool: I get that he is probably a better RB than FB, but I really wanted the kid, who hasn’t played much football the last 3 years, to relish the opportunity to get on the field. He made excuses and showed a “me-first” attitude than won’t fly in the NFL long-term.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:26 am
It’s plain and simple, they will lose if they don’t get into the end zone. This team is not designed to come from behind. We need to hope we can put up some points and hope that we can hold the lead until the clock says 0:00.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:27 am
This thing with Bush is obvious. He’s a Kiffin guy. He’s not a Davis guy. I think the same thing is going on with Nnamdi, to be frank. I’ll bet any of you a donut that either B. Allen or some other exec wanted Asomugha. Aso is Al’s type of cornerback, no doubt. But why does he not secure him? I think Al wanted another cb, and got into a clash of wits with Allen or someone. Nothing else explains Al not giving him a long term contract. Long story short, he just can’t stand to see a guy that was picked by one of his underlings become the best in the game at his position. Al Davis is not about winning anymore. He just wants to be right. That’s the root of every problem this team has right now.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
To get on the field and do what? something he’s not good at. Devalue himself?
They’ve told us time and time again, Sports is a business.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Vegas Raider,
Speaking of Bush, what happened to using him as the short yardage back? How many times did this team get into the red zone and fail on short yardage? Bush can also catch the ball, why isn’t Bush the Red Zone Back?
Cable is a terrible game manager!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
LOL. You guys are watching the game tonight? Raiders are playing for the draft now, guys. Preseason games mean more.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
S&B: my message to Cable this week would be:
1. Run Fargas between tackles - 15 carries
2. Run DMAC outside and screens - 20 touches
3. Get Bush involved by lining him up as a FB, but not as a run blocker or pass protector. Get the ball in his hands as a passer by handoff or direct snap. Also as a receiver out of the backfield. This way Bush looks like a FB, but doesn’t act as one.
4. TAKE THE POINTS !!!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Why would any heralded player put his career in Al Davis’ hands?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Hey Brien,
Did you polish your Gold Teefs for tonites game, or are they just for courtin?
SUP, KK? You know I polish them up for the games bro!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Just a question…when the Raiders are trying to lose games, like they will be tonight, what do you guys watch for? Comedy? Kind of like watching a sports bloopers video, or whatever? …Don’t tell me there’s still a few of you that think the Raiders are actually trying to win tonight. Sad..
December 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Let’s line up Justin Miller in the wildcat…he has speed.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
RaiderRockstar Post 284,
Agreed! Especially on point 4. I like your point 3. In fact, one could merge both of our point 3s and have something interesting. I bet Bush wouldn’t mind being a fullback if he got carries and catches out of it.
In fact, I have to challenge Cable’s definition of creativity. To me creativity is having Bush as a FB on 1 and 10 and run a short screen to the fullback. Going fullhouse backfield and throwing. Creativity is not running fake field goals and going for it on 4th & 3.
I have to give Davis credit for having some playmakers on the roster. I think the running backs could have carried this team to the playoffs. Unfortunately the coaches are underutilizing their skills and talents.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I will watch tonight just to see how bad Cable’s playcalling can get when he’s actually trying to lose, considering how bad it is when he’s trying to win. It should be something else.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:36 am
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
To get on the field and do what? something he’s not good at. Devalue himself?
How about to get on the field and play football. Is he not a football player unless he has the ball in his hands?
S&B: He is best in space and catching passes, like Mcfadden, and that’s why he hasn’t been used much in short-yardage. Jerry has talked about how he doesn’t plow ahead much for a 240 LB dude. I would like to see him more, but in the last four games he is averaging a whole 2 yards a carry. That doesn’t scream for more PT.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Horrible news broke today from Raiders headquarters:
Davis is still in charge.
It’s official.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:38 am
# KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Vegas, what Mr Davis generally doesn’t understand, is that Players polish their skills over a number of years. Growing up and in College. That’s why they’re good at what they’re good at. To suddenly do something else is not putting that player in the best position to contribute and put his skills to good use, or to have an acceptable career.
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So I suppose he should have left Clem Daniels and Todd Christensen alone, then?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:38 am
MR: The raiders aren’t good to enough to transition from playing to win and playing to lose. They just play, and not very well sometimes. We are all watching to see the development of the young guys
December 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Clem Daniels and Todd Christensen…LOL. Guess Skloomsh doesn’t have any examples from THIS millennium.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Vegas Raider,
But if you put Bush in as a fullback then you have more options on short yardage. Lawton is no player, can’t block, catch or do anything. Why not run Bush at FB on short yardage? Why not have Bush and DMAC in the backfield and send both out on the pass. The Raiders have two pass catching running backs and don’t use them.
Could you imagine what Gruden could do with this backfield?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Nmamdi was a college safety, that worked out OK so far.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Vegas Raider, why will you be watching to see the development of the young guys, when the team will be trying to lose? How do players develop when a coach is intentionally trying to blow a game? Explain that to me.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Kiff “benched” Bush last year and Mike was not happy about it.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:42 am
S&B Collective, stop bringing up Gruden. Get over him. Only the Davis loyalists are allowed to bring up the past.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:43 am
You can talk about Clem Daniels and Todd Christensen, but do NOT bring up Gruden. Because we’re all about moving forward…
December 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Andrews Mom Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Kiff “benched” Bush last year and Mike was not happy about it
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No, Kiff didn’t bench Bush. Davis benched Bush because he didn’t want to see LaMont Jordan on the Chiefs or Broncos.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
S& B: No doubt they could create lots of potential mis-matches and a good coach could take advantage of that. But isn’t that would Cable was trying to do, and Bush acted like a baby, as if we were going to put him as FB strictly to block LB’s. I would like to see both McFadden and Bush used more in the passing game, that’s where they seem at their best and most comfortable.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I’m not watching the game tonight. Too stressful.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Why didn’t you guys tell me that shaving your pubies would itch this bad?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:46 am
MR (Now worried about Brien) Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Vegas Raider, why will you be watching to see the development of the young guys, when the team will be trying to lose? How do players develop when a coach is intentionally trying to blow a game? Explain that to me.
As hard as it may seem, especially after last week’s debacle, I don’t think Tom is TRYING to lose. I just don’t think he is very good at his job.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Kiffin benched Bush…LOL. Andrew’s Mom firing his pygmy darts, again, hoping to at least slow down the giant…
December 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Vegas Raider, you’re funny. Acting as if playing for the draft is up to Tom…
December 4th, 2008 at 11:49 am
In fact, I have to challenge Cable’s definition of creativity. To me creativity is having Bush as a FB on 1 and 10 and run a short screen to the fullback. Going fullhouse backfield and throwing. Creativity is not running fake field goals and going for it on 4th & 3.
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S&B: I agree, one thing you’ll notice when trying trick plays… look who is doing them? when you saw the pass to curry & pitch to DMC - worked great. Tried the fake punt and run with Alston (a former RB in high school) - worked great.
then you try a fake FG with Seabass as the runner? from 17 yards out? and then you design a passing play for Russell to make on 4th down? Russ hasn’t shown the ability to convert 3rd downs, why try on 4th down?
how about some trick plays with playmakers? when it isn’t 4th down and you can have an easy FG …
December 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I agree Vegas, I just don’t think Cable knows how to make in game adjustments. It appears he just sticks with the original game plan regardless of the circumstances. It’s painful to watch. He has no concept of clock management either.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
#309: Good points, don’t forget Bush was HS QB and got a huge first down in the Denver game on a pass (albeit a great catch from Miller helped)
December 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Wheres the king at need my daily dose of BHP
December 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Dikembe, Vegas, even though you guys are in denial, you do have a point. With Cable, Al doesn’t need to tell him that they’re playing for the draft. His play calling is so bad it’s as if he’s trying to lose anyway. So…why fix what aint broke. But I can tell you right now, let the Raiders get a two score lead tonight and Cable will get a call from upstairs, and some interesting adjustments will be made in the lineup.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Its hard to speculate on the draft untill we find out who the coach will be and if he wil retain the ZBS.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am
MR, what’s am I in denial about…explain yourself foo!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar,
I think Cable got frustrated against K.C. I think he had in his mind that it was going to be touchdown or bust. He lost his cool if you ask me.
Going for it on successive 4th downs defies logic. I may give him a pass on the first attempt (but 4th & 10…) but YOU CAN’T go for it a second time after failing the first time.
Also, I would like to see the Raiders get Russell early confidence by focusing on short throws, screens short crossing routes and comebacks. Then gradually open things up, while keeping focus on the run
December 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Al doesn’t care who the coach will be (It will probably be Barney Rubble, by default), the draft is all he’s thinking about, now.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
BHP 1# FAN Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Wheres the king at need my daily dose of BHP
If you bring that peace of K-WRAP here, I will just chase his pompous a$$ right off again!
December 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Dikembe, you’re in denial of the Raiders trying to lose this game tonight. Playing dumb, now?
December 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am
S&B,
You’re right he panicked. I think he saw the way the offense was playing and decided he would try to extend drives by any means possible. Including sending the fat a$$ kicker on a 17 yd run.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am
I’m contacting various jails around the bay area, btw, to see if any of them have Brien. He’s on a milk carton, guys. I’m worried.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
What if the Raiders win MR? I know it is far-fetched, and I am not even touching them +9.5 points, but will you come in here tomorrow and apologize to me, Dikembe and a few others?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
We get to get our a$$es kicked in 3D today. I live in Reno and dont have NFL network, so I guess I’ll have to listen to the beatdown on the radio. Anybody know what station?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
dmac has great hands. I catches those bullets thrown by jamac
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Does anyone know if this will be on local TV as well as NFL net?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Does anyone know Brien’s last name? I’m going to call Santa Rita, first.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
MR. you have to change your moniker to get Brien back. It’s simple, and we all how easily you switch monikers
December 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
he*
December 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
MR,
I don’t think I voiced my opinion on the subject of them throwing the game. But, either way, the chance of them losing tonight, whether it be them throwing the game or just plain sucking it up, is quite likely. You can spin it any way you want, doesn’t bother me.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Yes, Vegas, I will come in and apologize to you. I’ll also let you guys know if I see pigs flying outside of my house. I’m sorry you’re in such denial about this, Vegas. How long have you been a Raider fan? Don’t you know what your team does when it’s out of playoff contention? It’s likely they threw last week’s game, too. It was only you fans talking playoffs at ‘8-8. Even Al’s not that crazy.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
you can watch the game on TVU player tonight http://www.tvunetworks.com/
December 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Dikembe, anyone who doesn’t know the Raiders are TRYING TO LOSE tonight is either in denial, stupid, or full of crap. You and Vegas can make up your minds as to which one you guys are.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Also, I would like to see the Raiders get Russell early confidence by focusing on short throws, screens short crossing routes and comebacks. Then gradually open things up, while keeping focus on the run
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where do the Chargers rank against the run? Seems like we’re never able to run the ball on them, except Dominic Rhodes surpassed 100 yards last season in a meaningless game. They don’t have Merriman this time around and they aren’t in control of the division. No confidence. No matter what happens, this game will be a lot different than last time we faced them in Oakland. Last time Kiffin & Knapp split the play calling duties and Ryan’s defense choked in the 4th. I don’t know that Russell throws for another 270 yards. Maybe more like 170? that’s closer to his average and this time Fargas & McFadden are healthy.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
the Raiders aren’t throwing any games. They are playing poorly because they have been coached poorly. The Raider coaches lost games against Buffalo, San Diego, Miami and Kansas City. Hell, if the Raiders could have taken just ONE of those, they are still in the playoff hunt.
Davis needs to think very carefully on his new head coach
December 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
The Raiders are the most creative team in the league at harming themselves. You can never count them out, in that regard.
Question
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Why do the Raiders lead the league in penalties every year?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
It will be simulcasted on KGO Channel 7.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Yo S&B nation, Bush is not playing because Al is pi$$ed off at his refusal to commit to the team. Never forget how much “Big AL” values loyalty to the “Rah-Duhs”. He will not play do to injury risk also. Look for him to be dealt on draft day, period, end of story.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Youz guyz iz goin doun tanite. Thiz hear iza gonna be da bezt gaim ov Filup Rivahz careeer!
December 4th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
S&B
Poor Coaching?????? for the last 25 years?. With a new Coach every 2 years????
Me thinks it’s more than coaching
Why do the Raiders lead the league in penalties every year?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Hey charlie charge-puke, how bout those chargers eh, best four and eight superbowl favorite I ever saw, yuk,yuk.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
raiderhomey Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Yo S&B nation, Bush is not playing because Al is pi$$ed off at his refusal to commit to the team. Never forget how much “Big AL” values loyalty to the “Rah-Duhs”. He will not play do to injury risk also. Look for him to be dealt on draft day, period, end of story
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So be it. I really don’t care much anymore. I just want wins. Hopefully we get at least a 4th round pick for the guy and DON’T trade him within the division
December 4th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
MR,
But you’re going to watch the game anyway after talking all this sh!t.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
where do the Chargers rank against the run? Seems like we’re never able to run the ball on them, except Dominic Rhodes surpassed 100 yards last season in a meaningless game. They don’t have Merriman this time around and they aren’t in control of the division. No confidence. No matter what happens, this game will be a lot different than last time we faced them in Oakland. Last time Kiffin & Knapp split the play calling duties and Ryan’s defense choked in the 4th. I don’t know that Russell throws for another 270 yards. Maybe more like 170? that’s closer to his average and this time Fargas & McFadden are healthy.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
IS THE GAME BEING BROADCAST ON LOCAL NETWORKS TOO?!
December 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
NOPE
December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Willie, don’t get offended by my asking about Brien. This is strictly about his Al worshiping. Every night me and you will do our usual thing. I’m in Elmhurst now, Willie Dynomite.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
C’mon Kell, the Raiders have ALWAYS been at or near the top in penalties. Al does not give a $hit about penalties, and we all know the microscope which the team plays under every Sunday. Against Denver, the calls went their way yet we plyed well enough to overcome the officials. Too bad that’s not the case as often as it used to be in the “godd ol daze”.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
KoolKell,
Yeah, Al Davis alone is responsible for all of this. His refusal to stick with a head coach for the last 20 years has put the Raiders where they are right now.
As to why the Raiders lead the league in penalties….I think the Raiders refusal to stick with a coaching staff destroys any continuity in coaching and player expectations. This leads to a lack of discipline and focus on the players part. Also, the Raiders heavy reliance on free agents means a lot of players moving through the system. How many players on this team has been with the Raiders longer than 3 or 4 years?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Deyz gude anuff ta beatz youz guyz raderhomo.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Charley or Charlie?
No name calling when your a guest.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Yo S&B, I’m with ya bro, I don’t give a cr@p if they suit up “the cable guy”, as long as we land in the W column, I like it.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Hey charlie, little,little charlie my boy, if the only braggin rights you have is ownage of the Raiders, that pretty much sums up just how badly ya’ll $uk buddy.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Raiderhomey Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
C’mon Kell, the Raiders have ALWAYS been at or near the top in penalties. Al does not give a $hit about penalties,
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Oh I see. That’s why the Raiders are soooo good at beating themselves. Thanks for your astute observation.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Charley,
Gotta ask, are you really RASTA? I hope so.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
ey Kell, I’m not bakin on ya, but tell me this, why is it the Raiders play just good enough to lose, more often than not, now, astute that.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
More like PASTA
December 4th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Mike Crabtree’s college roommate just got busted dealing coke and Mike was there when the raid went down. Red Flags anyone
December 4th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Dikumbo, Ididnta goan kall nobuddy naimz. Alla Iwaza seyin iz dat dem der chargerz is gonna beet yourz teem tanite. Thazall.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
or if you have a sprint cell phone you can watch the game on your phone with nfl mobile live!
December 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Kell, yo Kell, I’m in need of a little astute-ness.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Charley,
You called Raiderhomey, Raderhomo. Was that not an insult?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Mike Crabtree’s college roommate just got busted dealing coke and Mike was there when the raid went down. Red Flags anyone
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No red flags. The raid went down in the room of the kid dealing the drugs. I doubt that Crabtree or his other roommate had anything to do with it. Plus, even if they knew their roommate was shady, I don’t think it would be fair to assign guilt by association
December 4th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I’m counting down. I don’t think Kiffin has any interest if we lose now.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I know if my roommate was selling blow, I was doing blow. Mike had to know what was going on, and knowing he was going to be a top 5 pick in the draft unless he did something stupid, and still was in the house shows poor judgement. But hey LT was on crack and is in the Hall of Fame so what the hell
December 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
RaiderHomey,
Im not quite sure about your question. but
The Raiders, imo, do play up & down to the competition.
Last Sunday that bonehead Janokowski play was a huge reason for the loss
Before that Kwame Harris’ crucial and often offsides penalities were very instrumental
Dropped passes………….
JLH running out of bounds at the Raider 5 fielding an errant kickoff, etc, etc, etc
Bill Callahan’s assessment in 03 that the Raides were the dumbest team in football, was and is true.
Heavily penalized and stupid year after year after year
Why? year after year after year?
December 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I don’t think it would be fair to assign guilt by association
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I don’t either, but Antonio Pierce got his vehicle impounded for hanging out with Plaxico.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
SAN DE IEGO SUPER CHARGER’S IS THAT THE WORST 3-RD GRADE SONG 4 AN NFL TEAM U EVER HEARD OR WHAT ? THROW IN THOSE POWDER BLUE UNI’S — TIME 2 THROW UP..
December 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Dikumbo, I’z dont reedz two gude. I’z waznt tryin ta mezz wif nowun. I’z waz juzta braggin onz mine ownez teem. Thazall.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Oreo kookie kell, you havent been working in a while. lol Loser
December 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
And another thing while I’m at it, I realize that maybe, just maybe Jamarcus and Huff just might pan out after all, but I much rather would have been happier then, and much more now had we drafted Cutler and calvin Johnson, i know, just sayin.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Any reason we don’t get JLH involved in the passing game more? I realize he’s not the most cerebral guy, but he should be able to separate from corners.
Charley,
Fair enough…
December 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Look, even if Crabtree knew about the cocaine dealer, are you expecting him to turn in his teammate to the authorities. In the middle of a potential championship season. Little unrealistic if u ask me.
Maybe he requests a transfer to another house or they kick the drug dealing teammate out.
But you are assuming that Crabtree knew about everything that was happening. I would need more information.
Crabtree will be fine and I am sure that everyone has been in uncomfortable situations (maybe not as extreme as cocaine dealing) where one decision or just plain luck prevented serious personal trouble
December 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
# MR (Now worried about Brien) Says:
December 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Clem Daniels and Todd Christensen…LOL. Guess Skloomsh doesn’t have any examples from THIS millennium.
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The point is/was that having players change positions isn’t necessarily a bad idea. I suppose it depends how things work out in the end. As far as examples from THIS millennium, there’ve been a few, some more successful than others, but I don’t really feel like playing that game with you. Look them up for yourself.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
NEW POST !!!
December 4th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
S&B,
How unrealistic should it be for an athlete to make the right decision as a human being? That kind of logic perpetuates the concept that they are above the law and adhere to their own rules. I really don’t know the details of the Sanders situation, but thought I would give my two cents on that point.
December 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
On the penalty issue, I believe its a matter of history and created expectation, for too long the Raiders have suffered from mental lapses, and subsequent penalties, that now the zebras expect it, watch for it, and call it.
Many on the penalties called, some may call questionable, and I point to the Howard penalties in Denver, however the Raiders as a franchise have set the tone, so I ask who do you blame. But that does not account for the many mental mistakes, and bad conditioning calls that the Raiders take.
I really have to question the conditioning of the team in general. But is that a function of the environment? 6 losing seasons, makes it difficult to ask players for the highest level of commitment, but millions of $$ definitely makes a strong arguement.
Fact is this team has talent, but there’s sooo much baggage that they make it harder than it needs to be. I can’t help but get a chuckle out of Marty Schottenhiemers quote “Keep it close and let the Raiders beat themselves” sometimes I can’t help but think that no truer words have ever been spoken.
But we have potential and young talent that should step in to leadership roles, but they need to gut-check themselves, and ask if they are willing to lead by example, or simply provide soundbytes for the media. And those players know who they are. The best part of adversity is that it allows the opportunity to play through it.
But the many talented players on this team need to decide how they want their careers marked… as the worst stretch in NFL franchise history (72 losses over 6 seasons or something crazy like that?) Or those that rose from the ashes to greatness…or at least respectability.
The ATL game was a disturbing sign, and even worse was the follow up in Denver which simply proved that this team can decide to be great, I don’t know which is worse, being bad, or being bad by choice…
With all my heart, with Silver and Black in my veins, and only because I can’t be on the field, I hope our players, our Raiders, begin to decide to be a good football team, and its obvious is that they are the ones that can choose…
December 4th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Okay Kell, here’s your answer. Al Davis does’nt give a $hit about penalties. “Just Win Baby” worked very well when we had 6 or 8 probowlers on the roster, that just ain’t no mo. The reason is simple, pi$$-poor conditioning, drafting dumb fast players, instead of football players, and not working their a$$es off in practice. The result is the players don’t respect the coaches, the coaches no that Al “muther hens” the players, and we the fans suffer thinking that we are still fielding a competitive, well coached team, and the exact opposite is true. Until somebody with “old” Raider blood is brought in to right the ship, we will continue to be rudderless on the field. A shing example of that just occurred these last two weeks, we go into Denver reeling, a heavy underdog, and kick their a$$es up and down the field all day. even tho we did’nt sack Cutler once, they were in his face, throwin his sorry a$$ to the turf repeatedly, and the result was a lopsided victory. The very next week at home against a weak and poorly coached Chief team, jamarcus and co. went back to their pop-warner style of play, and we loose an ugly game albeit the freakin fake field goal. My point here is, the Raiders have no concept on momentum, continuity, disapline, or knowledge of what they are supposed to represent when they put on that storied uniform. Al got it right for a long, long time, but your simply cannot micro-manage a billion dollar entity like it is still a 50 thosand dollar pop-sicle stand. Until he brings back either Madden, Flores, Tim Brown, Gannon and the likes, we will continue to be mediocre at best, and the way we’ve been lately at worst. Now how’s that for some astute type $hit ther kell-ster.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Full Version Game Downloads…
It seems that we share similar thoughts….