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		<title>By: Inside Bay Area &#62; The Capricious Commuter &#62; end of the maze craze</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2007/04/04/357-miles-per-hour-too-fast-for-fresno/comment-page-1/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Inside Bay Area &#62; The Capricious Commuter &#62; end of the maze craze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Caltrans is gonna open this baby a day early, once again shocking people with quickness that the High-Speed Rail Authority can only write op-eds [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bruce De Benedictis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2007/04/04/357-miles-per-hour-too-fast-for-fresno/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce De Benedictis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2007/04/04/357-miles-per-hour-too-fast-for-fresno/comment-page-1/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reedman, those 13 people a day were killed how? As passengers in collisions? I rather doubt that, but I&#039;d like to know. If I had to guess, I&#039;d say they were a combination of people simply dying on the train from other causes (natural, criminal), track-crossers being run over and  people killed in the pressing crowds by crushing or suffocation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reedman, those 13 people a day were killed how? As passengers in collisions? I rather doubt that, but I&#8217;d like to know. If I had to guess, I&#8217;d say they were a combination of people simply dying on the train from other causes (natural, criminal), track-crossers being run over and  people killed in the pressing crowds by crushing or suffocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Reedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to get too many rail topics in discussion at once,
but I couldn&#039;t pass up sharing this tidbit from today WSJ about
what can happen when rail commuting gets too popular
(the main station in Mumbai handles 1000 people per minute
at rush hour, 6 million people per day per day use Mumbai rail transit):

The suburban sprawl created by India&#039;s economic growth has resulted in what may be the world&#039;s most dangerous rail commute. According to Mumbai police: 3,404 people, or about 13 each weekday, were killed in 2006.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to get too many rail topics in discussion at once,<br />
but I couldn&#8217;t pass up sharing this tidbit from today WSJ about<br />
what can happen when rail commuting gets too popular<br />
(the main station in Mumbai handles 1000 people per minute<br />
at rush hour, 6 million people per day per day use Mumbai rail transit):</p>
<p>The suburban sprawl created by India&#8217;s economic growth has resulted in what may be the world&#8217;s most dangerous rail commute. According to Mumbai police: 3,404 people, or about 13 each weekday, were killed in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Erik

&quot;According to the authority’s 2005 estimates, a high-speed trip to LA from San Francisco would set you back $56 — twice as high as the 1999 estimates, but still about a quarter of what an economy TGV ticket costs.&quot;

The Rail Europe site is a site that caters to (i.e., overcharges) gullible US tourists.  Using it for a TGV fare reference is like assuming that SF cable car commuters pay the $5/ride tourist fare.  Of course we don&#039;t - we pay about $1/ride using the Fast Pass.

I can price out roundtrip itineraries from Paris to Marseilles for as low as 66 Euro on the SNCF website, and that is without even using a rail discount card (which many Europeans have).  Using current nominal exchange rates, that is about $88 for a roundtrip, but that is mainly because the US dollar happens to be so weak right now.  A more realistic exchange rate, given that domestic rail travel is a non-tradable good, would be the purchasing power parity exchange rate, which would put the price at around $69.  Still more than $56, but it&#039;s nowhere near 4 times as much.

Of course, this being the US, I expect we might build (and possibly run) the system in a less efficient manner than the French.  On the other hand, it wouldn&#039;t be burdened with the need to cross-subsidize the rest of the system (TGV profits are expected to help make up for losses on SNCF regional/commuter trains), because it would be a totally separate entity from Amtrak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erik</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the authority’s 2005 estimates, a high-speed trip to LA from San Francisco would set you back $56 — twice as high as the 1999 estimates, but still about a quarter of what an economy TGV ticket costs.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Rail Europe site is a site that caters to (i.e., overcharges) gullible US tourists.  Using it for a TGV fare reference is like assuming that SF cable car commuters pay the $5/ride tourist fare.  Of course we don&#8217;t &#8211; we pay about $1/ride using the Fast Pass.</p>
<p>I can price out roundtrip itineraries from Paris to Marseilles for as low as 66 Euro on the SNCF website, and that is without even using a rail discount card (which many Europeans have).  Using current nominal exchange rates, that is about $88 for a roundtrip, but that is mainly because the US dollar happens to be so weak right now.  A more realistic exchange rate, given that domestic rail travel is a non-tradable good, would be the purchasing power parity exchange rate, which would put the price at around $69.  Still more than $56, but it&#8217;s nowhere near 4 times as much.</p>
<p>Of course, this being the US, I expect we might build (and possibly run) the system in a less efficient manner than the French.  On the other hand, it wouldn&#8217;t be burdened with the need to cross-subsidize the rest of the system (TGV profits are expected to help make up for losses on SNCF regional/commuter trains), because it would be a totally separate entity from Amtrak.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce De Benedictis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce De Benedictis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Starlight is slow for other reasons, mostly due to the fact that the railroad, which pays property taxes and its own operating costs, has to compete with trucks which use roads which pay no taxes and are heavily subsidized from the public trough. The only way to do that is by carrying bigger loads at slower speeds. If you look at the historical schedules for the Coast Daylights and the other San Francisco to Los Angeles trains, you will find that they were much faster before the tracks were rebuilt for the modern economic situation.

All this is beside the point. You were complaining about being caught in the traffic in a bus, and hinting that a LRV would alleviate that. It is not the LRV that would speed it up, it is the dedicated right of way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Starlight is slow for other reasons, mostly due to the fact that the railroad, which pays property taxes and its own operating costs, has to compete with trucks which use roads which pay no taxes and are heavily subsidized from the public trough. The only way to do that is by carrying bigger loads at slower speeds. If you look at the historical schedules for the Coast Daylights and the other San Francisco to Los Angeles trains, you will find that they were much faster before the tracks were rebuilt for the modern economic situation.</p>
<p>All this is beside the point. You were complaining about being caught in the traffic in a bus, and hinting that a LRV would alleviate that. It is not the LRV that would speed it up, it is the dedicated right of way.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2007/04/04/357-miles-per-hour-too-fast-for-fresno/comment-page-1/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce, not to take away from your points about rights-of-way, but I, for one, would gladly race you to LA on non-freeway roads while you took the Coast Starlight. Even if it could keep to is schedule, it takes at least double what it takes to drive on a good day. Even off the freeway, you could do better than that, and still have time for lunch on the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, not to take away from your points about rights-of-way, but I, for one, would gladly race you to LA on non-freeway roads while you took the Coast Starlight. Even if it could keep to is schedule, it takes at least double what it takes to drive on a good day. Even off the freeway, you could do better than that, and still have time for lunch on the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce De Benedictis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2007/04/04/357-miles-per-hour-too-fast-for-fresno/comment-page-1/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce De Benedictis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reedman, do you really think that you can drive to Los Angeles faster than you can ride in a train if you never use a &quot;limited access&quot; road, which is a dedicated right of way?

You can be arrested for walking on most roads. You have to use a parallel right of way instead, usually a sidewalk. There are many rail rights of way that have parallel rights of way for cars, pedestrians, bicycles, etc. There are a number of BART rights of way that have them, such as in Albany and El Cerrito.

Streetcar lines that survived did so only because they had at least some dedicated rights of way. This included all of the Key System lines that made it past the end of the depreciation cycle in the late 1940&#039;s, and all of the San Francisco lines, with the possible exception of the new T line.

Transbay bus lines operate on rights of way dedicated to buses (and occasionally carpool vehicles) even now. It increases their speed by bypassing the toll plaza.

But all this is beside the point. Speed comes when there is a right of way that reduces traffic impediments. My point was that it is not necessary for the vehicle to run on rails, and there are significant advantages to using more flexible vehicles, usually buses, that can use the dedicated right of way for speed, and other roads for versatility. Just like cars using freeways as well as streets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reedman, do you really think that you can drive to Los Angeles faster than you can ride in a train if you never use a &#8220;limited access&#8221; road, which is a dedicated right of way?</p>
<p>You can be arrested for walking on most roads. You have to use a parallel right of way instead, usually a sidewalk. There are many rail rights of way that have parallel rights of way for cars, pedestrians, bicycles, etc. There are a number of BART rights of way that have them, such as in Albany and El Cerrito.</p>
<p>Streetcar lines that survived did so only because they had at least some dedicated rights of way. This included all of the Key System lines that made it past the end of the depreciation cycle in the late 1940&#8242;s, and all of the San Francisco lines, with the possible exception of the new T line.</p>
<p>Transbay bus lines operate on rights of way dedicated to buses (and occasionally carpool vehicles) even now. It increases their speed by bypassing the toll plaza.</p>
<p>But all this is beside the point. Speed comes when there is a right of way that reduces traffic impediments. My point was that it is not necessary for the vehicle to run on rails, and there are significant advantages to using more flexible vehicles, usually buses, that can use the dedicated right of way for speed, and other roads for versatility. Just like cars using freeways as well as streets.</p>
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		<title>By: david vartanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>david vartanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[correcting Reedman.  Muni LRV surface trackage with a few exceptions are in the traffic lanes of streets amd subject to massive auto interference.  Caltrain bought the tracks subject to freight usage in off hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correcting Reedman.  Muni LRV surface trackage with a few exceptions are in the traffic lanes of streets amd subject to massive auto interference.  Caltrain bought the tracks subject to freight usage in off hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Reedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to make one modest point. By my
definition (perhaps not by univeral acclaim) highways are
shared ROW and train tracks are not.

My argument:
If you walk down any train ROW, you will be arrested.
If you bicycle down any train ROW, you will be arrested.
It&#039;s OK bike and walk along any road/highway ROW,
as long as it&#039;s not considered &quot;limited access&quot;.
Transit buses use the same highways my car does.
Light rail tracks (Muni, VTA, wherever) are used by no
other person, agency, or transit provider than the one
and only. BART track are used only
by BART. Heavy rail tracks other than Caltrain are all privately owned,
by my understanding. Caltrain tracks are only used by Caltrain. The few
instances of more than one user (of say the Union Pacific
tracks by Amtrak or ACE) involves heavy negotiations, payment
of fees, and fixed schedules.

G]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to make one modest point. By my<br />
definition (perhaps not by univeral acclaim) highways are<br />
shared ROW and train tracks are not.</p>
<p>My argument:<br />
If you walk down any train ROW, you will be arrested.<br />
If you bicycle down any train ROW, you will be arrested.<br />
It&#8217;s OK bike and walk along any road/highway ROW,<br />
as long as it&#8217;s not considered &#8220;limited access&#8221;.<br />
Transit buses use the same highways my car does.<br />
Light rail tracks (Muni, VTA, wherever) are used by no<br />
other person, agency, or transit provider than the one<br />
and only. BART track are used only<br />
by BART. Heavy rail tracks other than Caltrain are all privately owned,<br />
by my understanding. Caltrain tracks are only used by Caltrain. The few<br />
instances of more than one user (of say the Union Pacific<br />
tracks by Amtrak or ACE) involves heavy negotiations, payment<br />
of fees, and fixed schedules.</p>
<p>G</p>
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